Rare in German, Seltén Motors is a small exotic/sports-car dealer where the hosts break down today’s market using real inventory and hard-earned lessons. They debate which cars are easiest to sell (the right Porsches) versus hardest (Maserati), then get specific about Porsche buying signals like DME over-rev reports and why 996/997 models are driving the “modern classic” wave. The conversation also covers why GT3 RS demand is social-media fueled, the hidden costs of vintage exotics, and how electrification and “allocation games” are reshaping values.
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"...I worked at a local dealership. We were a Lamborghini, Rolls Royce, McLaren, Aston Martin dealer, and obviously we dealt with all kinds of trade-ins..."
Lamborghini is a famous Italian supercar brand. Some Lamborghini models are popular with collectors, so they can be easier to buy and sell than more obscure cars.
Lamborghini is an Italian supercar brand known for high-performance, high-demand models. In investment conversations, Lamborghini often comes up because certain models can be relatively liquid in the collector market, but values can swing with condition and spec.
"...We were a Lamborghini, Rolls Royce, McLaren, Aston Martin dealer, and obviously we dealt with all kinds of trade-ins..."
Rolls-Royce makes ultra-luxury cars. When people discuss value, it’s usually less about lap times and more about rarity and how well the car was maintained.
Rolls-Royce is a British luxury brand, and its cars tend to be valued differently than sports cars—often more about ownership experience, rarity, and service history. For “investment” talk, luxury brands can hold value well, but specific models and maintenance records matter a lot.
"...We were a Lamborghini, Rolls Royce, McLaren, Aston Martin dealer, and obviously we dealt with all kinds of trade-ins..."
Aston Martin is a British brand known for stylish, performance-oriented cars. In the collector market, the exact model and how nice it is matters a lot for price.
Aston Martin is a British luxury sports-car brand with a long enthusiast base. For investment discussions, Aston models can vary widely in value depending on generation, condition, and how desirable the specific trim/spec is to collectors.
"...we dealt with all kinds of trade-ins, Ferrari's, Bentley's, whatever."
Ferrari is one of the most famous supercar brands. Many Ferraris are in demand, but the price you get depends on the specific car and its condition/history.
Ferrari is the Italian supercar brand that most often anchors “exotic car” value discussions. Because Ferrari has a huge global fan base, certain models can hold value strongly, but outcomes still depend on originality, service history, and market cycles.
"...we dealt with all kinds of trade-ins, Ferrari's, Bentley's, whatever."
Bentley makes luxury cars. When people talk about value, it often comes down to how well the car was cared for and how rare the exact version is.
Bentley is a British luxury automaker, and its cars often behave more like luxury assets than pure track-focused sports cars. In investment talk, Bentley values can be influenced by maintenance quality, mileage, and how rare a particular configuration is.
"I have no doubt. The car has over 100,000 miles on it, but still, every rubber bushing, everything had to get, and it's Porsche prices."
Rubber bushings are small parts in the suspension that help the car ride smoothly. Over time they wear out, and replacing them can get expensive because it takes a lot of labor.
Rubber bushings are suspension components that isolate vibration and allow controlled movement of parts like control arms. On older cars, they wear out, and replacing “every rubber bushing” can be a significant labor-and-parts job.
"anytime you buy a car, expect to spend at least 10% just correcting things or correcting things... So I'd say 200,000 dollar car. That's $20,000."
When you buy a used car, it often needs some fixes right away. A common rule is to plan on spending about 10% of the car’s price soon after purchase so you’re not caught off guard.
The hosts are describing a common budgeting rule for used-car ownership: set aside a baseline percentage of the purchase price for repairs, wear items, and “catch-up” maintenance. This helps avoid surprises when a car needs deferred maintenance or small fixes soon after you buy it.
“Air cooled” refers to Porsche’s older cooling approach used on earlier 911 generations. The hosts mention it as a separate buyer group (“diehard air cooled guys”), highlighting how cooling design influences enthusiast identity and market demand.
"So is it the air cooled or is it the 996, which was for the longest time, you know, the affordable 911..."
“996” is a specific generation of the Porsche 911. In this conversation, it’s treated as the cheaper, more accessible 911 that many people shop for.
The Porsche 911 (996) is discussed as part of the “affordable 911” market. The hosts say it has the most activity because it’s typically the most affordable entry point into the 911 lineup.
"I'd almost argue that the turbos with an exhaust sound the best because they sound like a jet turbine
[1176.2s] because you get that turbo whistle."
When a car has a turbo, it can make a noticeable sound as air moves through the turbo system. Some people love that “whistle” because it sounds exciting and sporty.
A “turbo whistle” is the distinctive sound you hear from a turbocharged engine, often caused by air moving through the turbo system and intake plumbing. It’s become part of the appeal for many turbo cars because it’s audible and characterful.
"I think the sense I got
[1303.9s] from Pebble Beach is that everybody wants one of one. That's totally right. Whether you're on"
“One of one” refers to a highly individualized or unique car—often meaning a custom spec that’s not replicated elsewhere. The speaker connects this to Pebble Beach culture, where buyers and enthusiasts often want exclusivity and personal expression.
"[1363.5s] it's that's kind of like this M5 we have. It's blue on blue with ostrich interior. Like that's
[1368.2s] pretty gaudy and terrible, but it's, it's cool."
The BMW M5 is BMW’s performance version of the 5 Series. They’re using it to illustrate how some people love very flashy custom interiors and colors, even if others think it’s ugly.
The BMW M5 is BMW’s high-performance sedan, typically combining strong power with a more usable four-door layout than many sports cars. Here it’s used as an example of a “gaudy” but interesting personal-spec car—blue exterior with an ostrich interior—showing how individual tastes can drive value.
"[1409.1s] No. Most people didn't aspire to driving a race car for the road. No. And yet that is becoming a huge thing now. The more racier GT
[1415.0s] three RS, right? The more people want it."
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a very track-oriented 911. It looks amazing and feels special, but it can be uncomfortable for everyday driving because it’s tuned to be fast and stiff, not comfy.
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a track-focused 911 variant built for maximum performance and driver feedback, often with firmer suspension and more aggressive aero. The hosts argue that demand for these “more racier” GT cars has grown, even though they can be miserable as daily drivers.
"it's solar beam. It has carbon ceramic brakes. It's full carbon everywhere."
Carbon ceramic brakes are high-performance brakes made from special materials that handle heat better. They usually stop great, but replacement can cost a lot.
Carbon-ceramic brakes use carbon fiber and ceramic materials to create very lightweight brake rotors with strong heat resistance. They typically offer better fade resistance and performance, but they can be expensive to replace.
"[1742.2s] it's, it's, I think it's the way that, because most of these cars, these are collector cars now. Yeah. You're lucky if this car is lucky if it gets driven a couple hundred"
Collector cars are usually kept more for enjoyment and value than for commuting. Because they’re not driven much, owners can accept inconveniences that would be annoying on a daily driver.
“Collector cars” are vehicles valued primarily for rarity, history, and desirability rather than daily use. The hosts emphasize that many of these exotics are driven only a small number of miles per year, which affects how owners tolerate quirks or discomfort.
"[1775.4s] video on a, on a, what's the next one after the Kuntash? It was the R. So it's the Diablo. Yeah,"
The Lamborghini Diablo is another classic Lamborghini, but from a more modern era than the Countach. They’re using it to make a point about how different these cars feel to drive.
The Lamborghini Diablo is a later-generation Lamborghini supercar (1990s) that’s generally more usable than earlier classics. In the segment, the host uses a driving/comfort anecdote to contrast it with the Countach’s cramped ergonomics.
"I mean, I bet you that, Testerosa, if you could go zero to 60, if you could go zero to 60 without crunching the gears, which is not, which is a big if."
The Ferrari Testarosa is a famous old-school Ferrari supercar. They’re basically saying that even if you try to measure its acceleration, the results depend on how smoothly you shift gears.
The Ferrari Testarosa is a late-1980s/1980s-era Italian supercar known for its distinctive side strakes and V12 character. In this segment, they’re discussing how it might perform in a straight-line “zero to 60” run and how gear changes can affect results.
"This car actually has got some parts that are off of an F40, which is quite cool, but it's got an aftermarket twin turbo kit."
The Ferrari F40 is a famous, hardcore supercar. Saying this car uses some F40 parts suggests the builder didn’t cheap out on components.
The Ferrari F40 is a legendary 1980s supercar, and using its parts is a strong signal of a high-end, performance-focused build. In this episode, the speaker notes that some components are sourced from an F40, which adds credibility to the modification quality.
"...not to be confused with the McLaren MP4 12 C. But anyway, this car in particular is, is having a moment."
They mention the McLaren MP4-12C to make sure you don’t confuse it with the “12 C” shorthand for a V12 Ferrari. Same letters, different car.
The McLaren MP4-12C is referenced only to clarify naming confusion with “12 C.” It’s a reminder that similar shorthand can refer to different brands and cars, which matters when discussing market trends and buyer interest.
"Which is their new electric car, which was done, at least the interior so far we've seen. John Ive. Yeah, Johnny Ive from Apple."
John Ive is a well-known designer. The hosts are pointing out that Ferrari is bringing in top design talent to make the EV feel special.
John Ive (often associated with Apple) is mentioned as the designer behind Ferrari’s EV project. His involvement signals a focus on premium design and user experience, not just performance hardware.
"And the problem is how many horsepower? 679 at the wheels on a dyno. So with a flat plain crank Z06, you can get 670."
Wheel horsepower is the power the car actually delivers to the tires. It’s usually lower than the advertised engine horsepower because some power is lost inside the drivetrain.
“Horsepower at the wheels” (often called wheel horsepower) is measured after power passes through the drivetrain. It typically reads lower than engine horsepower because some power is lost to transmission, differential, and other drivetrain components.
"it's that old thing about it's more fun to drive a slow car fast. Fast. Yeah. This is a very fast car that's got a lot of fun to drive slow."
It’s a saying that means you’ll often have more fun pushing a car that’s not as fast, because you can use it more. With a super-fast car, you might not get to “use it” in normal driving.
“More fun to drive a slow car fast” is a driving philosophy: you can enjoy a car more when you’re near its limits more often, rather than barely using a very powerful car’s capability. The host uses it to explain why a supercar’s everyday experience can feel less engaging than expected.
"Is this, is this a wrap or is this from the factory? This is a wrap. Okay. But it is gregial links underneath. So it is gray underneath."
A wrap is a vinyl coating put over the car’s paint to change the look. It can be matte, glossy, or patterned, and it can usually be removed later.
A wrap is an aftermarket vinyl film applied over the car’s paint to change color, add protection, or create a specific finish (like matte). Wraps can be removed later, but quality and installation matter for longevity and appearance.
"And the suspension in these, the Urus in particular is more firm."
Suspension controls ride comfort and handling by managing how the tires stay in contact with the road. The hosts specifically say the Urus is “more firm,” which implies a tighter, more performance-oriented feel compared with a softer setup.
"you could buy, put 10,000 miles on, place another order and sell it for what you paid."
The idea is: buy the car new, drive it a little, and then sell it for about the same price. Some cars keep their value well enough that you don’t lose much.
This describes a “buy new, drive lightly, then resell near break-even” strategy. It relies on strong demand and limited depreciation over the first ownership period, which can happen with certain high-demand performance cars and SUVs.
"“...what made it for me such a great car was I've got a new head unit for it. Yeah. So now, you know, I listen to my podcast...”"
The head unit is the main screen/radio/audio controller in the car. Swapping it can make older cars feel more modern for music and podcasts.
The head unit is the car’s main infotainment/audio control system (radio, media, Bluetooth/aux inputs). Upgrading it can modernize usability—like podcast playback—without changing the rest of the car.
"So the thing that that has in common, of course, with the GT3 RS is a big wing. So maybe the big, maybe it's not cars, it's the big wings that are having a moment right now because that thing is like. Oh, yeah."
A big wing is the large spoiler on the back of some performance cars. It helps press the car down onto the road so it feels more stable at speed. The hosts think these cars may become more collectible because people notice and want that look.
A “big wing” is a large rear spoiler designed to create downforce, improving grip at speed. The hosts connect it to current styling/aero trends and suggest that cars with prominent aero hardware can become more desirable.
"The problem is the MC20 is a really good car. It's genuinely a good car, but the brand perception is just, I don't think you can recover."
The Maserati MC20 is a newer Maserati sports car. The hosts say it’s actually a good car, but they don’t think the brand’s reputation will let it become a big value winner.
The Maserati MC20 is described as a genuinely good car, but the hosts argue its brand perception limits how much it can recover in the market. This is used to explain why some cars may not appreciate even if the product is strong.
"I think a car that eventually will be a desirable car, but I don't know if they'll ever appreciate because too many people are aware of how desirable they are is the CT5V Blackwing."
The Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing is presented as a potentially desirable car, but the hosts question whether it will appreciate because too many people already know how good it is. This highlights how “hype” and early awareness can reduce the upside for future value.
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Hey guys, welcome to this very special episode of TFL Car Chat and I'm here at a local
exotic car dealership. In fact, the guys who sold our Porsche G-Body the 1987. And I want to thank
you for doing that. Of course. Thank you very much. And this is Salton. Two young guys here who
are running this and in this podcast slash video, we're going to be talking about this really cool,
well, it's a collection of cars that you guys are selling, so to speak. And we're going to be talking
about what's happening with the exotic car market. And we're going to be talking all about, you know,
the dream cars that many of us grew up with. And if you're a certain age, maybe you can now afford.
So first, let's start with this Christian. Tell me about what Salton is. Tell me about Salton.
So Salton is an interesting, so Salton first of all stands for, it translates to rare in German.
Okay. My partner, one of my partners, there's three partners, but one's a little less involved in
the day-to-day, but myself, it's me and Mark. We went to high school together. Mark's family is German.
His dad's very German and he came up with the name. I actually came in
somewhat after all of this is here. I guess to give a little backstory, I have worked at dealerships
historically. I worked at a local dealership. We were a Lamborghini, Rolls Royce, McLaren,
Aston Martin dealer, and obviously we dealt with all kinds of trade-ins, Ferrari's, Bentley's,
whatever. So I had experience in selling cars, formal experience at dealerships. And Mark,
he worked at a company called Auto Wash in his background with marketing. And he, it's so funny,
if you ever ask Mark, how long he's been into cars, he'll say that I got him into cars almost
like I got him into a habit like smoking, like it's a bad thing. So in a way, it kind of can be.
But that being said, we went to high school together. We were friends in high school and I
just, I guess, never stopped talking about cars. So I guess he was forced to adopt it as a hobby.
And then from there, Mark actually bought and sold a lot of cars on his own. Really cool stuff.
You know, 6-speed R8, V8 Vantage on 8, lowered on HREs with V12, Vantage side skirts,
911 Turbo, 997, just some cool stuff that we all, you know, see 63s, M3s, M4s, stuff like that.
So Mark and Jake, who's our other partner, started this and I saw it on Instagram, long story short,
and came down, checked it out and asked if they wanted someone else to join. And here we are.
So now that we're caught up, we are just a couple of car guys that like dabbling in cars,
buying and selling, driving interesting cars, really anything that we find interesting. Obviously,
right now we have a lot of super cars and sports cars and I call these super SUVs.
That seems to be kind of where a lot of activity is in the market, but we like to buy and sell
anything that we find interesting. So it could be anything from a manual Honda Fit,
a first-gen Raptor to GT2 RS. We've got a 512M over there. It's an eclectic mix of things.
Yeah, so one of the things we'll do in this podcast a little bit later is we'll do a walk
around of the different cars and kind of talk about the marketplace for, obviously,
McLaren, Lamborghinis, Porsches. So if you guys are in the market for one of these, we can kind of
get it from the expert as to what's happening with the prices, where you should invest. But
before we do that, let's just ask the questions that I think a lot of people are wondering about.
Let's start with the most interesting one. What's the hardest car to sell?
What's the one where somebody comes knocking on your door and they drive up here out of the cars
that you sell and you're like, ugh. Definitely the most challenging brand to sell was Maserati,
without a question. We haven't dealt with many of these here, but historically,
Maserati was a car where if anyone, it was even breathing on the idea of a Maserati,
whether it was a Ghibli, Quattroporte, whatever, difficult. But I would say generally, and this
is going to be a hot take, because Porsche is extremely popular. Everybody loves, especially
air-cooled Porsches. Porsche buyers can be difficult to deal with. And that's only because
they're very, they're very, they know more than you. Of course. Every time. And they'll ask about
certifications you didn't even know existed. Anyway, we like them. You know what I love in
Porsche? We've talked about this before, but I love the thing now that's happening in the Porsche
market, where they're checking to see if the car has been over revved or revved. You know what I
mean? I bought a Porsche and you're right. I never revved it above, you know, 2000 RPM, because
God help you. You use it as a Porsche. Heaven forbid you buy a 911 and use it as a sports car.
No. I mean, come on. It's like Porsche. By the way, let me fill in the background. So this is one
of the things you can do. You're buying a new Porsche. You can actually go in, I guess, using
probably the OBD port, right? It's called a DME report. And see how many times it's been over revved
or revved, either to the red line or beyond the red line. And that does, in real world terms,
affect the value of the car. It's so funny, because it not only affects the value of it,
almost to most people. So there's, call it, six rev ranges. And one is like a mild over rev, six is
in these buyer's mind. I mean, the engine is as good as scrap. So oftentimes, you couldn't even
get an offer out of somebody if it's been over revved. They're just instantly turned off. The car
is not for them. So I'll tell you another story in a second. But let me tell you this first story
about a Maserati, because it just happened to me. I had the worst experience in my life
with the Maserati, the McPura. And actually, there's a whole buildup to this. So as you know,
the McPura used to be the MC20, right? Before. And I actually went and profiled the car at Goodwood.
And I had also whole history with it, but I never actually got to drive it. And so when my mom passed
away recently, she left us a place in Florida, my wife and myself. And it's in the Florida fleet,
the McPura. So I wanted to borrow a car. And they said, Hey, we have this car. Do you want it?
I said, hell, yeah, do I want it? And then I remembered that it does not have much of a luggage
compartment, if any, it could fit like a briefcase. So my wife does not love supercars or sports cars.
But I was like, this is my only chance to drive one. So we're flying down there. I'm like, honey,
I don't think your bag is going to fit in this thing. And she's like, no, it's definitely going
to fit. I'm like, I don't think it's going to fit because she didn't believe that. So I was on eggs
and pins and needles. And I get down there at late at night, I go to pick up the car. It's
beautiful car. It's sitting there. She looks at it. She's like, oh, this is going to be uncomfortable,
right? Because it's got the dihedral doors. And I open the front and the front will only hold,
like, I don't know, maybe like a yellow binder. There's nothing there. And then there's a little
tiny trunk in the back. And this is the spider tooth. This is the convertible. So I look at it
and I'm like, yeah, your roller bag is not going to fit. She's like, it'll fit. So we put it in there
and it won't fit. Not even close. So now she's got to have it on her lap as we're driving down to
the condo, which is obviously not a good thing. Yeah. And then I have to close the door because
then she can't close the door. And then I go to start up and things like right. So it's so loud
and she's hating and the whole drive down. Have you ever been with a person in the car and they
dislike you so much that they won't even look at you. They're kind of looking out the window the
whole time, like letting you know just how pissed off they are. Yeah. You're in the doghouse for sure.
That was an hour and a half. And then I get down there. It's like midnight because we flew in late
and I wanted to park the car far away from the other cars as possible because this is a quarter
million dollar car, right? Brand new, 2,000 miles on it. You don't want to ding it. No, I don't want
to ding it. And I forgot, I forgot, I forgot, I forgot that there was a basketball court. So I park it
as far away as possible. The next day I go down and the whole front windshield is like spider,
not a little, just spidered. And of course it's right where my sleight of vision is. And there's
a note, somebody left a note and there was, the guy said, my daughter was playing basketball and
you can imagine the rest, right? It just hit the windshield and yeah, just splattered it. Yeah.
And so I call up the press fleet guys and I'm like, Hey, sorry. You know, and they're like,
do you want to get another car? And I was so disgusted with myself and my wife was so mad at me.
I was like, no, that's right. I'll just deal with it. And so I actually shot a video. I had to work
really hard to not show, because you don't want to show that, right? So I had all these different
angles. So you couldn't, and then at the end of the video, I was like, man, look at this. I did this.
And yeah, it was just a horrendous experience. And I feel horrible for Maserati. I feel horrible
for the little girl. I feel horrible for my wife. The whole thing was just miserable. All right,
that's enough of my story. What a story though. All right, let's go back to Porsche. So you were
saying hardest buyers to deal with. I would say generally they're, the buyers are the most
challenged. You have the most objections, because the one thing I found generally about Porsche,
it's specifically 911s. Yeah, for sure. They are looking, the amount of reasons they will come up
with to not buy the car is incredible. It's more than any other car. Like if the right technician
at the right dealership didn't look at the car and have the right breakfast that day, that's
enough to turn somebody off on it. Which is so weird to me, because they're the most reliable.
You can beat on them the most. They just take it. They take the abuse and they do what they
do so well. It's not like an old Ferrari that if you even grab the door handle wrong, it won't
start. Stuff like that. We're 911s. They're as good as a commercial appliance almost.
Having said that, usually when you buy, let's say a classic or 25-year-old car,
you should probably budget a certain percentage of whatever. And usually that number is a pretty
small number, but with Porsches, I think it's pretty high. So we just picked up a 997,
2005, the first year, which of course has the Vora Scoring and the IMS, the Carrera S.
And I took it to my local mechanic and he came back with an 18,000 dollar bill.
I have no doubt. The car has over 100,000 miles on it, but still, every rubber bushing,
everything had to get, and it's Porsche prices. So usually I would say, you know,
plan on spending what, 10, 15, 20% with a Porsche, it might be more than that.
Easily. Especially if you're getting a cheap one, because I got this relatively cheaply,
I got it for 35. Yeah. And I think 997s, Carrera S's are probably worth more than that.
Yeah, especially if they're in pretty decent condition. Yeah, it's in good condition.
I would definitely, general rule of thumb for myself and Mark has always been,
anytime you buy a car, expect to spend at least 10% just correcting things or
which could be a big number if you're talking about, you know, like,
that works behind you. So I'd say 200,000 dollar car. That's $20,000. Yep.
But generally it's kind of more with this, you could get away with a little less, but
older cars, the older the car is, especially now that cars like, you know, F82s, F80, you know,
BMW, M cars, you know, older Audi cars, stuff that people get into to use as everyday performance
cars, they now have some miles on them. And they have parts on them that you wouldn't expect to
be filled with hydraulic fluid, stuff like that, where you, if it's a high performance aging car,
you'd probably want a budget 15, 20%. But the purchase price is smaller, but your maintenance
costs are going to be higher to keep it where the car was originally designed to operate.
If that makes sense. Right. Let's go back to forces. What are you seeing is kind of the
heart of the market right now in terms of the different models. So is it the air cooled or is
it the 996, which was for the longest time, you know, the affordable 911, we're talking about
911s here, by the way, or is it the 997, which is kind of the right size? Where do you see is
kind of the most activity in that? Definitely the 996, 997. Yeah. Most affordable, probably.
They're the most affordable. And also, you're not encapsulating the people that are diehard
air cooled guys, but you're, you're encapsulating the people that want something more analog.
The 991, the 992 is a big car. We've got a 992 sitting right there. Yeah.
Significantly larger than, I mean, it feels significantly larger than a 996, 997.
That being said, every 996 or 997 that we've had has sold like that. And the amount of,
there's been a line of people that will take it if the first deal falls apart.
We had a 996 Turbo S manual, which was a super rare car. So it's a bit of an outlier.
So it's, it's the last year. No, the last of them. Not manual turbo, right?
Turbo S. Yeah. And it was, they only built it for one year, 2005. And this car, this was before,
today, every Porsche that you see is PTS, this deviated stitching that blah, blah, blah,
which is cool. But back then this was much less common. It was either silver, black. And if you
had carbon or some kind of colored stitching, it was really rare. And this one had some of that.
And we sold the car for what we thought was a lot of money. It was a $110,000 car. It had an accident
on the car fax. It had 44,000 miles and it sold instantly. And the amount of people that wanted
it, if the first deal fell apart, basically there was two guys right at the end that wanted it.
And it was whose phone call came in first and whoever's didn't come in first was going to be
yelling at me because the other guy beat him. And that happens frequently because these cars are,
I don't know, the cars that I call the modern classic genre of car is the cars, those are
the cars that are the most popular. They have the most activity on them, at least from what we see
because the guys and gals that were, you know, in middle school or high school or whatever,
when those cars came out, they now are in a position to be purchasing those cars and they
will pay up and to buy the right one because it's a car that they're probably going to hang on to,
they're going to invest money into and it's going to be like a dream car, you know, a car
that they wanted. I also think Porsche has upped the prices so significantly that it brought the
rest of the market up with it. So I remember, it wasn't that long ago, maybe five years ago,
you could get a 911 base for $99,000. And of course, you're going to, you know, when you start
spanking it out, you're going to go up. But if you could get a base when it was $99,000,
I think the cheapest one you could buy now is a 911 T and I think that's like $158,000.
Yeah. So, 911s in the last five years have gone up 50%.
Absolutely. And that's going to bring the volume of the 996 to 997.
Absolutely. I mean, 996 is, you know, it's so, it's so funny. Obviously, the 996 is so,
I guess, I don't want to say hated, but it was not loved because of its aesthetics.
Yeah. The fried egg headlights are not much loved.
They're not as well loved, but honestly, I don't know. After seeing the one that we had,
I was like, man, this is a really good looking car. I actually really like it.
And the chassis between the 996 and 997 are shared.
Yeah. And so is pretty much the engine too.
Yep. So if you can get past the headlights and if you can get past the interior, which is a little,
obviously a little budgety. It is.
Choose that word on the 996. They're great cars because they drive and perform just like a 911.
Yep. So you think that's where the market is right now?
I do. 996, 997s. 991s, I think, are going to follow suit eventually for the right ones.
Because the 991 is, especially when you compare it to a 992, the 992s,
there's so much more technology integrated into the dash. I mean, there's so many screens.
And the 991s, especially the Dot2s, because they made a lot of revisions that just made
a more competent car, that I think will follow suit. There was still a good amount of manual
cars that were trim levels that were available. And those cars are really competent, good daily
sports cars. And I'd call it a sports car, even a turbo ass.
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All right, so tell me this since we're on Porsche. I was at Pebble Beach. I'm not trying to
name drop. I was just there and obviously Porsche is having a moment. 9-11 is having a moment,
but the id car right now seems to be the GT3 RS. If you're anybody on Instagram and you're into
cars, what is it about that car that has made it so Instagramminable? This is the one that
everybody is fawning over. Is it the big wing? I think it's a great question because there's
better cars out there. I know it's a great car, but for the amount of... I think they're worth
their sticker price. Sure, but they don't sell for a sticker. No, they don't. For example, we
literally just listed one yesterday. It's not in here right now, but it's got 4,000 miles,
it's two years old, and it's 100 grand over sticker. And that's a fair market value for the car.
Yeah, and I get that for like a car or an ST where it's a limited production,
but this is not limited production. They're all over. And I don't know. Okay, so the 992 GT3 RS,
if you haven't had the chance to see one in person, it is a striking car. It is the closest
off the shelf car that I've seen to like a race car. The wing is mega. It has little details you
don't even really notice, but little cutouts behind the front wheel. Canards everywhere.
Canards everywhere. You've got fins on the roof. I mean, it's a striking car and everyone seems to
be obsessed with the flat six screaming. They'll put... Naturally aspirated. It has to be manual,
of course. Yeah, they'll straight pipe them. They'll make just crazy sound. This is also a hot take.
I don't necessarily... I don't love the sound of the flat six. Yeah, I'm with you. It's fine,
but it's okay. It's not like, you know, it's not like a flat plain crank Ferrari V8 or a big,
thumpy, you know, aggressive V8. Yeah, or a low-peer, lumpy V8. Yeah, those sound terrific compared
to the flat six. Flat six is okay. It's okay. And you could take an aftermarket exhaust and you can
make it, you know, a little bit deeper and a little more base, but it's still a flat six. Yeah,
I'd almost argue that the turbos with an exhaust sound the best because they sound like a jet turbine
because you get that turbo whistle. But anyway... Yeah, it's the it car right now. The GT3 RS is
the it car. I think it's because it's such a captivating car to look at and it's such an
aspirational car, especially for the young people. I don't know. This younger generation seems to want...
The younger generation is constantly trying to fight for everybody's attention, whether it's
who has the most followers, who has the most engagement, who has the most this, who has the
most that. And the GT3 RS is kind of that embodiment in a car. Yeah, and for a while,
I think it was Lamborghinis, right? The Dairos, especially if you pull the back end
off of them to show the exhaust. Yeah. So, yeah, right. It's all about like you and for a long time
Ferrari would have that crown, right? If you were a Ferrari guy or gal, you were making an entrance.
Oh yeah. And there's also been something that's become so popular is the SPAC. I'll tell you
I was in Berlin at this like Shishi restaurant. This is a while ago. And one of these restaurants
where there's a giant glass window, right? So, you can kind of see people as they pull up and
this guy pulls up in a LaFerrari. Yeah, and everybody's like, oh, look at that car. That's a
serious car. Yeah, yeah, look at that car, right? And so, he's like, I'm strutting out of it. And
like the second he got out of the car, another guy shows up in another LaFerrari. And you could
see the guy just like, oh, for God's sakes. What do I have to do? Yeah. You almost need to have like
something so quirky. It's, you know, this is actually quite a funny topic that you bring up
because Mark and I, obviously, we spend a lot of time around cool cars. And we've become so like,
I don't know if I want to say desensitized to it, but like the cars will spot driving around
or the cars we think are cool now or quirky weird things like an orange BMW i3. If I were to
see one of those, I'd be like, wow, that's grabbing my attention more than a yellow AMG GT.
The car yellow E36. Oh, yeah, exactly. Something kind of weird or this Le Mans
Blue over Le Mans Blue M5 that we have. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just so cool. I think the sense I got
from Pebble Beach is that everybody wants one of one. That's totally right. Whether you're on
the configurator and you got to do some crazy stuff. It's got the, you know, I mean, it used to be
that like paint a sample in Porsche world was unique, but now that's even mundane. Now it's
Sonderwunsch. I know. Special wishes. I mean, you got to bring in your like your dog. Match this.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like how it's, I don't mean to sound rude when I say this, but it's almost like
a race to see who has the worst taste. And then those are the most valuable. Those are the most
valuable cars and they've got $400,000 worth of options. Yeah, one of one. Yeah. It's pink and
purple with brown stitching. Like who? Like I say, I'm kind of falling into that trap myself
because we just bought a Viper last year, uh, first gen and the one I really wanted was the Ronald
McDonald one. Of course. Of course. Yeah. Red and yellow. Yeah. Of course. The yellow tricepones.
Oh my gosh. I know. It's horrible, but it's so horrible that it's cool though. Yeah. You know,
it's that's kind of like this M5 we have. It's blue on blue with ostrich interior. Like that's
pretty gaudy and terrible, but it's, it's cool. You know, the other trend that I'm seeing, and this
is, you know, I'm much older than you. So I'm seeing this. So I'll give you an example, but
anybody that took a couple of years ago, I got to go on the racetrack, big willow, small willow,
no streets of willow, sorry, uh, with the GT four hours. And the second I got into that thing,
I absolutely hated it. And that's because the air intake is right, right, right by your left. So
loud. And I just kept thinking, apart from my wife in this, we get down the, up down the street,
about a half a block before you get the rolling pin out. Yeah. I'm walking. What are you doing?
Call me a mover. Yeah. And yet I think even if you look back at like the 996, 997 generations,
race cars for the road weren't really a thing, right? No. Most people didn't aspire to driving
a race car for the road. No. And yet that is becoming a huge thing now. The more racier GT
three RS, right? The more people want it. And these cars as a daily, or even as a, you know,
going to dinner car are pretty fricking miserable, right? There's no sound detaining. The suspension
is rock hard. They look cool, but to enjoy it as a, like a Sunday afternoon drive is no fun.
I couldn't agree more. And it's something I think a lot of people don't even consider
until either A, they've bought the three RS and then their wife hates them for it. You know,
and then they're like, I need to make a change. So then they go out and buy like a DB 12 or
something, which is a much more competent, nice car. But I think Porsche dealers couldn't
sell the RS versions like 20 years ago. No. They sat on the showroom and now those cars
are through the roof. Now you, you, it's a fight to, it's a stupid game that you have to exercise
loyalty to some Porsche store. You have to buy your neighbor, your babysitter and your nanny,
a McCann to even be considered to be on the list to buy these things. It's a game. I get it.
It's, if people are willing to do it, why, you know, you can't blame Porsche for capitalizing
on it, but you're absolutely right. Well, same thing with Ferrari. Oh yeah. I mean,
I mean, they started that game, right? Oh yeah. You're not going to get the F80 unless you spend
22 years buying cars you don't want. And $30 million. I mean, it's unbelievable. And if you're
lucky, you get to spec one of these new cars and buy it for sticker and, but it's hard to blame
people because if you, if you play that game and you get an F80, how much are they like two,
three million, you could flip that thing probably the next day for eight million. It's true. You
when you, if you're, if you're a business person or if you like to do the math, okay, so I just
spent three million, four million buying cars that didn't want. And now they offered me a car
that I could hold on to for a year and then turn it around, not for double what I paid for,
but for triple what, I mean, those numbers do add up at some point. So you do feel,
A, you feel special. Yeah. Talk about one on one, B, you're making money. Yeah. And C,
that investment of all those Taycans or, or, uh, Parisanguay or whatever the hell it is that you
didn't necessarily want. All of a sudden make sense. Yep. Absolutely. All right, Christian. So we
spent a lot of time talking about Porsches. You've got this 992 here. But what I want to do is I'm
going to kind of kind of get the sense for what the market is and what the experience that you've
had by going over some of the cars that you have for sale and not talking about the car per se,
but talking about the market forum. So let's, like I said, we did Porsche show. Let's talk about
the Mercedes GT AMG. Yeah. So these are, this is an interesting car. There's several iterations
of the GT. It's, it's really got a viper kind of, um, I guess layout to its very aft, big long hood.
These cars are super dynamic, but they're really a, a pretty great value. I mean,
you could pick up one of these for a pretty similar cost to a C8. And arguably it's more exotic.
It's kind of just a reshape to C63. It's obviously more than that, but that's kind of what it is.
But these, the GTSs, the GTs and the GTSs are definitely getting into seriously attainable,
affordable car for most people. Yeah, it's, it's funny. I think, I think this was Mercedes
answer to that 911. Oh yeah. And yet when these sold, you know, they were probably 130 going,
it depends if you get the 63 or, you know, yeah, this one was 173. If you can believe it. Yeah.
Yeah. And, you know, it was, it was kind of positioned above the SL. Yep. And yet I don't
think that there is desirable. I'm not saying they're not desirable, but they're not as desirable as
911s. Oh no. And for some reason, this is a really good car. If you want, you know, an exotic
that not a lot of people have, it's got crazy performance because when I drove these things,
they were at 6700 horsepower. They were a lot. They're fast. They're really fast. They're really
dynamic and they deliver a really exciting experience. I mean, it wasn't a black series too.
Oh yeah. So there's the GTS. There's the GTR, which is a wide body version of this. You got
rear wheel steering. You got much more aerodynamics. What year is this? More power. This is a 2016.
Okay. And how much? This one we're asking 90 on and that's definitely the top because it's solar
beam. It has carbon ceramic brakes. It's full carbon everywhere. It's only got 7,000 miles,
but an average gray, call it 25,000, 30,000 mile car. It's a $60,000 car.
Cool. All right. Let's go to Ferrari land over here. Yeah. So you've got, you've got four
Ferraris. Yeah. Tell me about them. What, that's a 308. I get it. Yep. Testerosa. Yeah. So this is
the last iteration of the Testerosa. It's the 512 M. You can go over there, Cole, if you want.
Yeah. Yeah. We'll keep talking. Sorry. It's tight in here. So this is a Japanese spec. Yeah. So the
M stands for Modificata, which gave, gives you glass headlights. It's, it's a lot of stuff,
but the big items are glass headlights, 355 tail lights, and the interior has a lot more
leather padding, a lot more. It's just a more look, it's the most luxurious Testerosa. You get
these two piece wheels. It's really a gorgeous car. Definitely. It's actually kind of funny.
We had one of my buddies, the day we were filming this car, he happened to have one of his friends
lend him a 25th anniversary Kuntash. Yep. I was gonna say, why are Kuntash is like off the wall
and Testeroses are kind of, you know, how much you're asking for this guy? This is 590. I was
gonna say half an hour and that's where they're at. Yeah. And yet a Kuntash might be double that,
depending on the spec. It's, it's, I think it's the way that, because most of these cars, these are
collector cars now. Yeah. You're lucky if this car is lucky if it gets driven a couple hundred
miles a year. Sure. And so most people are willing to deal with how terrible a Kuntash is to drive.
No, they're wonderful. They're, they're fun. Some of my, some of my friends in the automotive
business who own them. Yeah. According to them, they're wonderful. They're, I have driven them
and I have this rule if I have to take off my shoes because, because the tow box is so small.
Yeah. I'm out of that car. That's this car. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, 100%. We did a
video on a, on a, what's the next one after the Kuntash? It was the R. So it's the Diablo. Yeah,
the Diablo and the guy showed up and he, he was barefoot and I'm like, why are your shoes on?
He goes, I can't get, it was like big tall guy because I can't get my, and I'm like, I'm tapping
out. I'm hitting all three pedals at the same time. Yeah. It's funny though, because this is a
significantly more developed car, but the Kuntash just looks insane. How many of your first
seconds? Yeah. Okay. I'm just going to do a little Roman rant. Okay. So I've driven enough
classic old cars. Yeah. And when you watch like other YouTubers, let's just say, talk about the
gloriousness of driving these old exotic cars, right? What they don't tell you, and I've done this,
is first of all, they're hot as hell. Yeah. Because the air conditioning barely works. Yeah.
And the engines put out a boat ton of heat. Yeah. Yeah. They smell like gas. Yeah. Whether it's
carbureted or injected, they smell like gas. The brakes barely work, at least compared to a
modern car. Oh yeah. The steering is heavy as all hell because that was the way the cars were
meant to be. Yeah. And getting in and out of them, you know, you have to be like a world-class
ballerina. Oh yeah. To be able to get on your tiptoes and get in and out of these things. You need
to be a yogi to get in and out of these things. Yes. So, yes, take everything you see on YouTube
with the grain of salt because, or Instagram, right? Because those are the things you don't smell
or feel or hear when you're driving these cars. Yes. There is this wonderful time capsule effect.
Yeah. Right? You feel like, I was around during, you know, Mami Vice and feel like you're living
that dream. Yeah. But, you know, a half hour of that is enough. And that's exactly what I was
just going to say is, and not this one, twin turbo, but they're slow. They're very slow. By
modern care standards, they're slow. Even this one, which is twin turbo, is not that fast. Yeah. I
mean, I bet you that, Testerosa, if you could go zero to 60, if you could go zero to 60 without
crunching the gears, which is not, which is a big if. That's a big if. Yeah. In, let's say, under
seven seconds, I'd give, you know, I'd give you a lot of applause. Absolutely. And I'll, the other
thing that happens to people don't, and we have had enough classic cars, some of those horses,
the Prancing Horse, they have left the engine. They've left the stable. Yeah. Absolutely. They're
gone. They're off in the field. I don't know what the horse power was. That's probably like 400.
440. Yeah. Yeah. But if you were putting on a dyno, you would not see 440. Probably not. No.
Probably not. But having said that, if you want it and you, you know, how much is that guy?
590. 590. Yeah. So 590, you know, you're going to be the only one on your block. Yeah. And you
are going to own, you know, a piece of Ferrari history. And for all the, you know, now super
expert speculative automotive investors these days, this car is poised to appreciate. Yeah.
Exactly. So you hold on to it. Yeah. Don't put a lot of miles on it. Keep it nice. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, and if the insurance isn't crazy, and usually it isn't because you use classic car
insurance and they know you're not driving. Yeah. It seems a lot. Yeah. Absolutely. And,
but something that a lot of people don't consider, last thing I'll say on these vintage cars,
is because of how everybody nowadays, young people are so instant gratification,
you have to be extremely intentional about driving one of these cars. Even modern manuals are easy.
You can just throw them in and out of gears. They're easy. This, you got to double clutch,
otherwise it's unhappy. If you don't let it get up to temps, second gear is not there. You got
to wait for it to wake up. But there's something, there's something charming about that as well,
right? Absolutely. Where it takes a little bit of time for the car to come into its own.
I love it personally. Yeah. Sure. It's, it connects you to the machine. And there's something
that's being said about, it gives the car personality to where it's not an appliance. It
feels like it's a, it's a thing. And I think that's, that's part of the reason people love these cars.
Yeah. Because let's say you buy a Model S Plaid. Yeah. You drive, you know, sure,
zero to 60 in two seconds. Yeah. You do that twice, get your buddy sick. Sure. You know,
you get tunnel vision. You do the party trick. And you're done with it. Yeah. And then you're
driving a toaster. Yeah, exactly. It's a great toaster. You know, it's reliable. It's easy.
It's got a lot of tech, but it doesn't feel special. Yeah. All right. Tell me about the 308.
So this is a really, really unique car. This is as sacrilegious as it gets. This is a fiberglass,
which I'm not, I don't speak Italian, but it's Vettro Racina. Does they make fiberglass? Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. 800 native them. Okay. So this is one of them significantly lighter. This car is black,
which is cool. Obviously it's black, but it's cool because it's not red. It looks like it's
triple black. Yeah. It's, so it's Nero BB, which is just black, like pure black. Okay. And it's
got a big brake kit. This car actually has got some parts that are off of an F40, which is quite
cool, but it's got an aftermarket twin turbo kit. Everyone, you know, it's not uncommon to see a
twin turbo Huracan or twin turbo R8, but a twin turbo 308, crazy. The original carbureted V8 was
removed and it has a quad valve, the quattro valve only fuel injected V8 in it with a twin
turbo kit. Does that make it more or less valuable? Less. Oh, for sure. You know, it's actually,
we'll see because how much you're asking for? We're asking 200 for this car, which is a lot. Yeah.
But we'll, it's kind of one of those cars where there's no comps. It's super sacrilege,
very unoriginal, very unoriginal. Sure. It's a hot rod, but it's, it's a hot rod 308, you know,
which is, there's not many of those out there. I mean, the twin turbo kit, all of the work that
was done to this car, it was done in a shop in New York. It was over $150,000. Yeah. Yeah, I bet.
Which is insane. So, so the person who owns this car is probably into it more than you're selling
a car. Oh yeah. Which is one of the great things of buying a classic car. We just sold it, that,
I just sold that 911. Yeah. I was into it like 80K. Yeah. We sold it for 60. Yeah. Yeah. I passed on
that to Barney. Congratulations, Barney. Yeah. Yeah. You benefited from $20,000 of Roman money.
Yes. Absolutely. But that's fine. It's the circle of vintage cars. It is. That's what happens. Yeah,
that's what happens. And if you're not, if you're not comfortable with that, you should
stay away. Stay away. More modern cars like this one. Yeah, exactly. Let's talk about this. This is a
cool car. This is a car that is having a moment right now too in the market. This is a Ferrari F12
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