These Are The Classic Cars To Buy In 2026

Hello, and welcome to the True Thought Cars podcast. I am Tim Healy, the Managing Editor,

and this week we're discussing classic cars that will go up in value, the NASCAR schedule

and more. We discussed the Hagerty Bull List with Brian Rable from Hagerty, and TTAC contributor

Matthew Guy and I discussed Windschild Wash Your Food. Mr. Guy and I also go over NASCAR's

2026 schedule. But first, a word from our sponsor, eBay Motors.

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subsidiary. Just about every week here on the TTAC podcast, we have TTAC contributor Matthew Guy on

with us to discuss the stuff that we use in our homes, in our cars, and you know, on our cars,

on and as the case may be, whether it's a cleaning product or something for the inside. So anyway,

we're going to talk about the stuff that we use this week with Matthew Guy. Matthew, how are you

doing today? Pretty good, Tim. How are you doing? I'm doing well. So we're discussing windshield

washer fluid, which is a perfect topic for this time of year. So walk us through what you want to

talk about with windshield washer fluid today. Yeah, of course. And this time of year, in most

parts, in the Northern states, at least, you know, you've got all Canada, all kinds of road spray

coming back at you. And the easiest thing to do for safe driving is simply to be able to see.

And we've talked about different elements of this on the podcast in the past, right? You know,

making sure your headlights are clean. We talked about those types of products that you can get to

shine up your headlights to get the planters out of them. We talked about winter wiper blades.

And one of the easiest things in the world is just simply topping off your windshield wash. And

there's a couple of different types for any of our listeners who might be a bit unfamiliar with it.

Generally, there's a winter one, quote unquote winter, and one that is more targeted at summer

use. And the difference of them is the summer one generally has more detergents in it. So it's

really good for getting bugs and stuff like that off your windshield, you know, stuff that's really

sticky. But it doesn't work very well below freezing temperatures. So if you fill up your

windshield washer reservoir in your in your vehicle with summer based stuff, it's probably going to

freeze. And then you'll have the unfortunate experience of pulling the, you know, pulling the

windshield washer stick on your steering column, and just hearing that motor down in the bowels of

your engine, trying to spray out some windshield wash, but not doing anything because it's all

frozen up the motor is working, but the lines are frozen. So actually, it's also a good tip

that as you get towards winter, it might seem wasteful to just sit there with the windshield

washer, you know, just running, but to use it up. But it's important to do that for that exact

reason, because if you fill it up, and there's a little bit of filled up with winter stuff,

and there's a little bit of summer stuff still in the bottom of it, that's going to freeze.

And it's not switching. That's very fun. So that's just a bit of backward, you know,

compatibility for other months when you're getting towards actual freezing, but always make sure

to just buy the stuff is getting expensive. So I've turned to place like eBay, where you can really

get, you know, some gallon jugs for a really decent price. And they're clearly labeled right

if they're all season or if they're winter, so make sure to get the winter or all season ones.

And I've not really associated eBay with these types of products before just because my brain

says, Oh, no, you can't ship that sort of liquid stuff. But you can, right? It's heavy. But if

there's free shipping, then give her go for it, right? Especially if it's a good price. And I have

found some some really good prices on eBay for this type of product for my car. So just, you know,

over the weekend, you know, with lots of people coming around with holidays and stuff like that,

you know, I just end up being the being the car guy and out there tending to this type of stuff.

So as people have been visiting family and, you know, friends and stuff like that, we just end

up, Hey, do you need some windshield wash? I got a whole bunch here now from, from, from

just top of reservoirs and people's cars. And one of the cars in our fleet, actually,

and it was a pretty simple fix. A lot of cars have a rubber hose that goes from the pump,

which is on the little plastic reservoir that holds all of your windshield wash. Usually,

it's just a rubber hose that goes from that all the way up to wherever it's dispensed.

Some cars have it on the, on the underside of the hood. Some cars have it kind of down by

the wipers. Some cars have it on the wipers, but it's not hard to trace to where it goes.

And yeah, and this person was complaining, they were like, I got no, I got windshield wash,

but where's it going? And one of these rubber hoses had just popped off.

Oh no. Yeah, it just popped off one of its hat, one of its little, little housings,

one of its little clips. So it was like just dumping all over the ground. And it was

the type of thing that is really, really easy to fix if you know what you're looking for. So I

just encourage, I mean, our listeners, if you're new at wrenching or things like that,

just still open the hood. If there's something obvious, right? Like, I mean,

this was just a rubber hose hanging down. It was very clear as to where it was supposed to hook

back up to, you know, have a look yourself. And adding windshield wash is one of the easiest

things you can do to maintain your car and make sure you can see in the winter. Just every car

I've ever driven, it's always been clearly marked either with a bright yellow or bright blue cap

that says windshield wash. You might say it with those words or might have the icon, right?

Of the windshield washer and wipers. So I just encourage all our listeners, even if you're

brand new to wrenching on your own car, this is a great place to start. And it's something that

can keep you safe on the road. Yeah, and I would say just to add to that, even if you're not going

to wrench on what you were talking about, at the very least, keep the fluid filled, you know.

And it's not just wintertime. Obviously, we think about it more, especially like those days where

it's kind of not really snowing and not really raining. You just get a little bit of just a

little bit of mist on your windshield and it starts to get dirty and you can't see after

a few minutes. Obviously, wintertime matters, but I would also, summer, spring, fall, always,

always, always, whether it's, of course, obviously adjusts for the wintertime formula.

But I would always, always have that windshield washer fluid full and, you know, maybe buy,

maybe buy a gallon or tend to get gas. Yeah. And that stuff is always around at the,

you know, I mean, gas stations are going to charge a little bit more because it's, you know,

sure. That's their problem. Convenience. Yeah. Yeah, the convenience. But, and some places up

here in Canada too, there's one brand of gasoline in particular, what they've done is they've

installed pumps right next to the gas pump. You just take the little wand, I mean, it just looks

like a little miniature gas pump and you can fill up your windshield washer reservoir right from

that little pump and you just, it's really cool. And then you pay for it. It ends up being probably

about 25% more expensive than buying a jog off eBay. But for someone who doesn't want to carry

around spare or is completely out and there's none available, it's really cool. And it just,

you know, if you buy half a gallon, you're only charged for half a gallon. And it ends up being

a little bit more expensive, but the convenience is there too. So,

and it's really easy to do this. And I'm thinking about one of the Mercedes models,

when they were doing the EQE and EQS, those electric ones, they really didn't want people

opening the hood. So they went through the trouble of putting a little door on the driver's side

front fender, just for filling up windshield wash. Interesting. Yeah. All right. So anything else?

Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. No, I was just, you know, that's a, it's a universal problem,

no matter where you work, no matter where you live in the world. Yeah. And speaking of Mercedes,

they also, some of Mercedes models also have windshield washer fluid that cleans headlights.

And sometimes it automatically hits it when we're, when we, when you hit the, the trigger,

you know, the stock usually to do the windshield washer fluid. Yeah. Sometimes I don't,

sometimes I'm Mercedes it also the headlights. So they run through windshield washer fluid a little

more quickly, but at the same time, you get a clean headlight. So yeah, that's a good, that's

a good point going through it a bit more quickly because some jeeps like Wranglers and stuff,

they've got little washers for the cameras that are around. Yeah, that too. You're right, the vehicles.

And there's been, it's been a very long time since I've seen a separate reservoir for the

wiper in the back. Probably 20 years or more since I've seen, it was an old Ford,

old Aero Star actually, that you, that had a separate reservoir for the rear wiper.

But yeah, you will go through it more quickly if you use the reservoir, you know, your main one

for the rear wiper too. That's a good point. I was going to say rear wiper as well as cameras.

Yeah. Okay, cool. If there's anything else on windshield washer fluid, I think,

I think we covered it pretty well. So we're going to go ahead and wrap this

segment here on this week's Truth of Our Cars podcast. Thank you, Matthew. Thank you, Tim.

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This week on the Truth About Cars podcast, we were talking with Brian Rable from Haggerty

about the 2026, gosh, it's 2026 already, the bull list, which basically is a list that Haggerty

has put together of cars that will increase in value. So Brian, how are you doing today to start?

I'm doing great, Tim. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, so let's talk about this list. Did I get

that right? When I said that these are vehicles that will increase in value?

Yeah, that's right. This is the Haggerty bull market list. It's a list we've been putting

together for the last eight years, and it's intended to highlight some cars that are appreciating.

So the ones that we feel are the best position to grow in value over the next 12 months.

The reason we do that isn't to create a tip sheet so that people can get rich flipping cars.

It really is intended to highlight some opportunities for buying for cars that are

on the way up. The idea is you might be able to buy one of these cars after a little bit of research

and a little bit of luck, and then you sell it maybe three, four years later,

and you've made enough money in the profit to cover all the running expenses you might have

of the car, or you could roll some of the gains into your next fun car purchase. So that's the

whole idea behind it. Cool. Yeah, so let's go over the list. I'll just read real quick the 2026 bulls.

We're not going to have time to get into all the cars, but we'll highlight a few here. So

for those who are not familiar, you can go to Haggerty.com, backslash media, backslash market

dash trends, backslash bull dash market dash 2026, or just Google of course, probably it's

probably easier than typing it all up. You can just Google Haggerty 2026 bulls list, bulls,

like running the bulls, bulls list. So anyway, the cars are 1968, 1970 Dodge Charger,

99 through 2005, Miata, the 56 and 57 Continental Mark II, early 90s, so 90 through 93, Chevrolet

454 SS, the 2016, 2013, so I believe that it's C6, I want to say, Chevrolet Corvette 06,

correct me if I'm wrong, I think that it's C6, and then. Yep, that's a C6. Yeah, and then 1969,

1972, Alfa Romeo GTV, 2006 through 2010, BMW M5, sorry got a bit tongue tied there,

1981 through 1993 Dodge Ram Charger, 1995 through 1998, Nissan Skyline GTR, 1995 through 1998,

Volkswagen Golf GTI VR6, and the 2004 through 2007 Porsche Carrera GT. So Brian, the cars that I

folks, which might be the older Charger, the Miata for sure, even though we're talking about

a few generations old now, I think the C6 is very easy to find, probably pretty easy to find,

even in the 06 trim, and the M5 is pretty recent as well. And then of course, for people in their

30s and 40s, especially, the Nissan Skyline GTR was kind of the first like forbidden fruit and

also got popular in some movies, I believe, I have not seen less of the Brass and Furious,

I believe the Skyline GTR is in a few of those. So so we can highlight those and maybe even the

Golf GTI for your time, but there's a whole lot to talk about here. Yeah, a ton of fun cars

all across the range. So that's one of the fun things that we have putting this list together

is highlighting some opportunities across decades, across budgets, and different kind of design

briefs. So whether you want an SUV, a pickup truck, or a fun sports car, there is an opportunity

all around. So maybe we start with Corvette, that's one of my sure my favorites. And Tim,

I think you're a big Corvette fan. So this is the 06, the C6 06 built 2006 to 2013.

These cars are probably the best performance value per dollar on the market today. Just really

seven liter engine, high horsepower, high revving, a ton of fun to drive. So I'm told I haven't had

the good fortune to drive one yet. But just really one of those really excellent, excellent Corvettes.

One of the things that stood out to us as we were looking at the numbers and trying to figure out,

you know, which cars to make to make the list this year was that this Corvette is actually really

youthful for a Corvette. So Corvettes tend to be a little bit on the older side in terms of owners,

but the 06 from this generation has a lot younger buyer profile. And so that's really

interesting. When we think about the market changing, a lot of times we're looking at,

you know, increasing buying power and who's going to be wielding it and what are they going to be

purchasing and the Corvette's one of those cars. And so we think that there's a lot of upside on

this car in particular over the next year or so.

Yeah, so I'm not, I wouldn't say when I come to me and Corvette's Corvette fan is

I like the car a lot, but I don't have a ton of experience with the C6 generation. Most of my

experience has been with the C7s and a little bit with the current generation. And I had a few

friends growing up with C5. So I spent a lot of time around the C5s. I like Corvettes a lot.

Before I came to TTAC, I did work on a book that was going to be C1 Corvettes. Unfortunately,

that book never made it to publication for business reasons. They just didn't think it was

going to sell very well. So I got about halfway through and then was asked to not finish because

it would have been a waste of time. So I got to know a lot of the C1s. But yeah, Corvette's,

I think, even with the C6, which is obviously a much more rare trimmer, I think Corvette's

is just a lot of them out there. And I think that's a huge thing. And the C6s aren't that old,

so it shouldn't be, it could be in really good shape, especially if they're owned by owners who

take good care of them and are parked in garages and parked in warm other areas. And they shouldn't

be too hard to work on. Yeah, you can definitely find support to maintain them. So that's a concern

as we get to some of the other cars on the list, maintenance and that type of thing is a bigger

concern. So they're a very livable car. They are on the newer side. So MSRP on these was about $65,000.

They're in top condition. We have them pegged at about $80,000 now. So they're selling above MSRP

relatively shortly after their production, which is interesting. And that also means

that they haven't really ever sunk to the point where they were really cheap speed, which tends to

be used, I guess, enthusiastically, you could say, without having a lot of maintenance. And so

there are a lot that are still in really good shape. Production numbers, although the Z06 is a

rarer trim, it's still relatively easy to find. So that's one of the things that helps make this

car affordable, helps make it easy to live with, and then they're still upside on the buy side. So

you should be able to have your fun and then recoup some of that cost or a lot of that cost

when it's time to move on and experience something else. Sure, sure. Let's switch gears a little

and speak about the Miata. So you couldn't see it were audio only, but I did roll my eyes a little

just because the Miata is so popular. And I understand why I like the Miata. I'm not begging

on it at all. And the older Miatas are probably a little more elemental in terms of sports car feel,

lightweight, slow car fast, drive a slow car fast kind of experience. Just fun to drive,

looks cool, they look cool, all that sort of stuff. We always joke about Miata is always the answer.

That's the Mazda thing. The other thing they say is of course Zoom Zoom. So the Miata, obviously

very popular and probably really easy to find as well. It is. Although one of the things that

works against I mentioned that cheap speed, the Miata is such a joy to drive and it gets

tracked quite often and modified quite often. So finding a really great example, it's still

possible for sure, but it's becoming a little bit harder. So Atrician's kind of taking its effect

on, we're talking about the NB generation. So this is the second generation, 99 to 05.

These are great. Like you said, everybody loves a Miata and that is sort of like an eye rolling

choice just because they're everywhere and everybody kind of knows about them. So they're

a secret. But at the same time, the cliche is well deserved. Everybody loves them because they're

great fun to drive. They're affordable. They're easy to work on. They're easy to maintain very

livable cars. The NB generation is the one that we picked. Although a lot of people think of the

NA when they think of Miata, the first version. But the NB has sort of lagged in value as the

NA has gone up in price over the last couple of years. So that makes it a relative bargain.

And then the other thing that people kind of overlook is that it's got a little bit more

evolved engineering. So it's got better braking. It's a little bit more powerful.

It loses the pop-up headlights of the NA in a little bit of the purity of design,

but it's still a blast to drive. And so that's why this one landed on our list.

Well, without pop-up headlights, that's one less thing to repair.

That is true. Absolutely. The less there is to move, the less parts there are to replace.

Yeah. So looking at the other cars on the list, again, we're only going to touch on four or five

because that's all we have time for. And if we have time at the end, we can maybe

talk about any high-level stuff you guys have learned that we didn't already cover in the

introduction. The Dodge Charger, 68 through 70 Chargers, that's going to be a little harder to

find because it's obviously a much older vehicle. And muscle cars, I think the ones that remain have

been well-maintained and are a little pricey. But why is the Charger on this list?

The Charger is one of those cars that when we look at the demographics of who's buying,

so Hagerty as an insurance company has the good fortune of having a lot of just massive amounts

of data on vehicles that people own, as well as the people themselves. So how old are they?

Where do they live? What else is in their garage? All that great stuff. And one of the interesting

things about the Chargers, when you think about muscle cars, a lot of times you're thinking

of older owners, sort of baby boomers, which is true. Which is true. But the Charger, because

it's had such a great revival of late with the more modern interpretation of it that Dodge

introduced a few years ago, it has relevance. And we see a lot of younger buyers going after them.

So it's got a bigger youth appeal. Millennials are actually the fastest growing cohort of

buyers for the Charger, which is really interesting to me. So because of that, it kind of has this

universal appeal that makes it stand out among muscle cars. And that's one of the reasons why

we feel like this is a good buy at the moment. I think I can answer being an elder millennial

myself. Well, depending on which demographic you read, I'm either baby Gen X or elder millennial.

I consider myself part of the Oregon Trail generation, because we played Oregon Trail

in fourth grade, but I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think being the

child of baby boomers, muscle cars for a lot of us were the introduction to cars. Because that's

what our parents loved was the cars from the late 60s and early 70s, the Mustangs, Camaros,

GTOs, and in this case, Chargers. And also, I think there was the way the industry went.

There was a generation of cars kind of skipped in terms of enthusiasm because you had the 70s

malaise, and we didn't really get strong performance again to the mid 80s. And that really didn't

even take off to the late 80s and early 90s. So there's a kind of a gap there. And when I was a

little kid, the best cars were the muscle cars. The newer cars, most of them weren't performance

cars, or they weren't very good. And there's exceptions. We don't have time to get into all

that. But growing up, when I first became a car enthusiast, it was kind of two things. It was the

new cars in the early and mid 90s that were kind of bringing back that performance and starting

to really adjust to the emissions regulations and adjust to different market forces, regulation

sort of thing. And it was the muscle cars. And a lot of the car books that I had growing up in my

bookshelf and a lot of the posters I had in my bedroom wall were first generation Mustang,

second generation, Boss 302s, Chargers, stuff like that. So I'm not speaking for all millennials,

obviously. But I would imagine that a lot of car enthusiasts that are in their mid 40s now,

probably grew up with their parents telling them how great muscle cars were. And maybe their

dad or mom had one when they were young enough to remember it, or maybe they were restoring one.

So that's probably why there is an interest among elder millennials on cars that were

produced a decade or more before they were born. Yeah, that's a common story. And I think that's

one of the differences. I think, you know, as I think about the the concept of enthusiast cars

and how that's changed over the years. So, you know, the general rule of thumb is that people

when they turn about 45 or 50, go after the cars that they really liked when they were 16.

And so that used to be when you were a baby boomer, that would be the car that was really cool,

that was in the high school parking lot, or, you know, which ended up being muscle cars

for the generation before that is tri-five Chevys, the cars that maybe they rode around in,

and maybe getting the souped up version of that. And then for kind of our generation, it's 90s.

But also, this is where you start to see a lot of people being exposed to cars that are outside of

kind of the the era that they grew up in. And so exactly the same thing, neighbors with with

muscle cars riding around would be exciting. You might turn on, you know, cable and see

Barry Jackson and watch a bunch of muscle cars cross the block and get excited about that.

So a lot of different ways to become aware of some of these cars rather than what was on the

cover of the magazine at the time. And so chargers are one of those things and they're visceral. I

mean, they're they're muscle in the best possible way. The sound of that V8 is amazing, depending

on which which spec you get. They're they're on the bigger side. The charger is for a muscle car,

but you know, it's not about size necessarily. It's all about the power. And there are, I don't

know, there's very few cars where you can get into and you just step on the gas and you can light

up in a smile just just from the sound and experience you get. So the charger is definitely

one of those types of cars. Well, I think we'll move on to the next car soon. But I think that's

also part of the appeal of the muscle car is the simplicity of them. And by the time that

performance really kind of picked back up in the 80s and 90s, there was more turbocharging,

more supercharging, more electronics. And a lot of it was good. It made the cars better. I'm not

complaining. I'm not trying to say that that we had a stop in 1972. But there's just a simplicity

in muscle cars that that later cars don't have. And of course, there's more regulations in terms

of safety stuff. And again, it's mostly a good thing. I'm not saying it's bad. We needed seat belt

regulations, airbags are generally not good, despite some of the problems they've had. ABS brakes

have been a godsend in most cases. So I'm not saying I'm not trying to say, oh, it has to be

a simple car with no electronic nannies and all this. A lot of that stuff was either good or

neutral. But there is a simplicity to the muscle car that I think was probably the last time that

cars really like that, especially performance cars. So I think that plays part of it too,

like you said, is visceral. So with that, we'll move on to the the skyline. So,

you know, that's the first for me. And again, I can't speak for anyone else my age, but

and I never really got into the Fast and Furious franchise. I think I've only seen the first

movie in Tokyo Drift. That was one of the first for me forbidden fruit cars as I became a car

enthusiast in the 90s, like one of the first. Oh, my gosh, we can't get that here and it looks so

cool. And everything I read in car and driver and road and track, whenever they tested one, it's

like, oh, my gosh, we want one of these to be sold here. And eventually, of course, we had the

later generation come come to the States. But yeah, this car, I want to hear from you guys why

it's raising a value. Yeah, well, exactly like you're talking about it, it due to the 25 year rule

that limited what cars could be imported into the United States, the skyline. The R32 was the

kind of the first revival of the the name that Nissan did in 1989. That was followed by the R33

generation, which is the one that made our list the 95 to 98. And then there's the R34 that was

famously featured in Fast and Furious. So that trio of cars is really very high tech, you know,

all wheel drive, you know, four wheel steering, twin turbo, all sorts of tech that was wrapped

into it. And it made it legendary. Sorry, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And you know, a lot of people read

about it, or they played it, video games got to experience it, there was a lot of hype around

it, but you couldn't have one. And then that changed a few years ago when the R32 was able

to be introduced and imported. And we saw values just go wild for that. The R33 had a quick blip

when it became eligible to import. And then a lot of people were waiting for the R34,

which is usually regarded among enthusiasts as the best of those of that trio. But what's happened

is the R33 has sort of been left behind a little bit, which when we think about the just the delta

value between the R34 and the R32 and the R33, the R33 is in that sweet spot.

If I check my numbers here, it's about worth less than half of the R34 right now. It offers a lot

of the same experience. It's just as powerful. It's a lot easier to find because it's been

eligible to import for longer. So for all those reasons, it's a nice buy. You get most of the,

if not all of the benefit of driving a Skyline GT-R at a discount. And so we don't think that's

going to last for long. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we've kind of covered all the different vehicles that

we thought our readers would really be interested in. We're not going to get into some of the more

rare stuff like the Lincoln Continental or the Super High End, price-wise, Porsche Carrera.

We could talk a little bit about the Volkswagen VR6 because I know that's probably accessible

to a lot of people too. But with the time we have remaining, unless you really want to get into one

of the other vehicles we haven't touched upon, I would love to see, love to know what high level

views have you taken away from this list, putting it together this year. I know it's a list you do

every year, so things can change from year to year or might stay the same. But I want to know

kind of like what high level things you've taken away from this list as you put it together,

trends you've spotted, things you learned, things that surprised you, that sort of thing.

Yeah. I think there are a handful of themes that emerge with this list and they're consistent with

previous years that we've put together too. So just kind of overarching modern cars. When I

say modern, I don't mean like brand new, but kind of more 90s, 2000s and newer machinery is really

having a moment. So a lot of people, I mentioned people buying the cars from their youth.

What's also happening is there have been so many great cars that have been produced from

an enthusiast standpoint over the last 20 years. They're really reliable. They're really usable.

They're very performant. There are so many choices that we're seeing a lot of interest in the market

right there. So that's one thing that stands out. This year, seven of our picks are from the 90s

or 2000s. Yeah, I noticed. So that's kind of a thing. And we do make an effort to kind of look

outside of the same decade just so that it doesn't become a one-note list. But there were so many

choices of cars that stood out in this regard from these decades that we couldn't avoid it.

Is that a function? Oh, good. I'm sorry. I was going to say, is that a function of millennials

getting, I know millennials have been beaten up economically. A lot of millennials say I can't

get a house. I can't afford a house. I can't start a family because it's hard to get, you know,

not paid enough. But there are some millennials who probably are doing well, even if the

generation overall is struggling. So is that a function of maybe some millennials who have,

do have good jobs or got an inheritance or whatever who maybe have come into a little bit

of money in their late 30s, early 40s? Is that a function of them sort of going back buying cars

with their youth? It goes both directions. So yes, that's part of it. And even millennials who

maybe, you know, haven't, haven't hit a financial windfall are still going out and looking for that

fun NB Miata, for example. So something that's affordable. Exactly. But these cars are also,

because they're so usable and practical. And when you compare them to older cars,

that we see a lot of older buyers also getting into them. So somebody might have that charger,

or they might have an older Corvette and they're looking for something that is going to be faster,

maybe a little bit safer because it has more safety features. And so they'll buy that Z06,

for example. So it's got youth appeal, but it also extends beyond that. So a lot of enthusiasts

are kind of targeting this era just because of the practicality, the fun factor and the cost

that these options represent. Makes sense. And I do apologize for talking over to you.

Now, I do want you to go ahead and you were about to talk about the next theme you saw.

So please, please let us know about that. Yeah. So two other themes. One of those themes is that

overshadowed successors don't stay down for long. We call this the principle of substitution a lot

of times. But, you know, if you look at a car that's gone up in value, it might price out some

enthusiasts. And so what that does is those enthusiasts don't start, stop shopping. It's

not like they are solely fixated on a single model. They're going to go and look for something else

that gets close to what they want, but maybe is still within their budget. So that R33 Skyline

GTR is a good example of that. The NV Miata is a good example of that. Some of the other ones on

the list that we didn't talk about, the Ram Charger. That's a 1980s two-door SUV that Dodge offered.

If you look for another kind of mid-size, full-size two-door SUV from that era,

they're all much, much more expensive. So, you know, that's the principle of substitution

in effect. If you couldn't afford that Bronco, what's your next best choice? And so

that's always that play in the market, but we can really see that shining through in this list

this year. And then the last one we kind of highlighted is that big displacement in naturally

aspirated cars, they're not really being made anymore, which makes the old crop stand out.

So, we see a lot of cars on this list that kind of fit that description. Big displacement,

seven-liter, 7.4-liter, 7.2-liter on some of these cars. No turbo charging for a lot of them,

like the BMW M5 or the Golf GTI, for example. So, a lot of those things that kind of are

more basic in design and less tech laden that people get a kick out of because of the engagement

that those cars offer. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of the M5, that was one we kind of talked about at the

beginning too. Do you have anything on that real briefly? Yeah, the M5. So, this is the

2006 to 2010 model, the E60 is what they call it. It's got a V10, 500 horsepower, super quick,

zero to 60 miles in 4.1 seconds. The engine is, this car is all about the engine, they sound amazing.

You could still actually get them in a manual transmission, so not just CSMG. Very few people

did that, but huge premium paper that. So, really great car from that standpoint. I will say,

it is a complicated car and this is one of those cars where, when we talk about the

charger being easy to live with, the M5 may be a little bit more challenging. And so, service

records, ownership history, really, really important with these cars, but a ton of fun

if you can find one and that's in good order. Cool, yeah. So, is there anything else you want to

go over? We have a little bit more time than we thought we were going to have. So, is there

anything else you want to go over with this list or maybe a vehicle we didn't talk about

that you kind of wanted to highlight? We can talk about the Golf. I think that's a great car.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. 95-98, this is the Mark III. So, really, really fun car to drive.

This is, again, before the turbocharging took hold. So, great option there. It's a lot less

expensive than a newer R32, so that's one of the reasons why this car stood out. My personal

favorite, I've actually got two favorites on this list. I love the 69-72 Alfa Romeo. It's a little

bit less known, so this is the GTV, but they're really beautiful cars. Yeah, they're good looking

Italian design, you know. Yeah, Giorgetto Giugiaro designed them. So, world-class designer,

really understated and really kind of clean, usable backseat, really well balanced, so not

a particularly fast car, but one that's really, really fun to drive. These cars are actually

pretty easy to live with too, even though some listeners might hear Alfa Romeo and get a little

bit nervous. Yeah, so these are fun ones. I've always loved these cars, so it was kind of nice

to see this one land on the list. And then the Continental Mark II. That's a surprise for a lot

of people. I was surprised to see it on the list, but the numbers backed it up when we looked at it.

A lot of people assume that the 50s market is dying, and it's definitely slow, and not a lot of

people that are younger folks who are getting interested in those cars, but the Continental

Mark II stood out a little bit. It's a little bit more youthful, and just a really, really cool car.

A lot of people, when they hear 50s, they're thinking fins and chrome. The Continental Mark II

is kind of Ford's top of the line. It's often referred to as the American Rolls Royce. It's a

lot more European in design, so very muted as far as fins and chrome goes. It's not really adorned,

which gives it a little bit more of a modern feel to it. So when you look at it, it is 50s

elegance and grace, but not over the top, which is a nice sweet spot. Those cars have always been

desirable, so it's very easy to find them in good condition, which I do recommend on those,

because trying to restore them is a colossal proposition.

Yeah, I would imagine. So is there anything else you want to share with us in terms of

the way the list is put together in terms of the methodology?

Yeah, so in my role at Hagerty, I lead the team that's called the Automotive Intelligence Team.

It's a team of 13 people. We're responsible for all the market and vehicle data Hagerty collects,

as well as the reporting and analysis we run on those data. And when we put together this list,

it's always a fun exercise, but we try and remove opinion from it as much as possible,

and we're looking at all the data that Hagerty has access to. So it's public auction data,

it's private sales data, it's what people are changing their insured values to,

it's what cars people are buying. We even go to the extremes of looking at import and export data,

so that we can see which cars are coming into the market because people want to purchase them,

or people from Europe who are maybe importing cars from the US, like they are with the M5,

for example. So we're looking at all these signals, and then we basically are trying to figure out

which cars look like they have the best chances of going up in value, and then that team will sit

down with Hagerty's media team, and we do a data-driven presentation. It's basically walking

through about 20 or so cars, 20 to 25 cars, and we just present the argument for why each of these

cars deserves a spot on the list, purely driven by the data that we have access to. And then the

media team will look at that, and they'll say that car is terrible, or we love that car, and

we'll kind of have an argument about it, and that's where the opinion kind of comes in. But at the

end of the day, we slim it down to about a list of 10 or 11. We have a couple of alternates,

because we have to source these cars. We do a photo shoot at a track, so that's another aspect

of it, trying to wrangle the cars. But at the end of the day, that's where we get 11 cars,

they're always fun to talk about. And then we also publish our report card every year. So

we believe that if we're going to go tell you which cars we think are going to go up in value,

you deserve to know how our past picks have done. We've had 85 picks over the years. 60% of those

have had annual gains of 5% or more, which is pretty good when you think about a fun luxury

repurchase. So that's the gist of it. And like you said, Tim, you can go to Hagerty.com

and look at our media site. And we've got that article, the bull market article, as well as

the past report cards there that are available to check out.

Awesome. With that, Brian, we do need to wrap up. So Brian, thank you so much for your time. We've

been with Brian Rabel from Hagerty. What's your exact title, Brian?

I'm the vice president of automotive intelligence, Tim.

There we go. There we go. So Brian Rabel from Hagerty, thank you so much for your time talking

about the 2026 Hagerty Bull List. And that'll go ahead and wrap this second here on the

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Here on the Truth About Cars podcast, we are always talking about NASCAR just about each and

every week. And this week, we have the NASCAR schedule. We're starting a new year with the NASCAR

schedule out. So we could talk about that. We have T-Tech contributor back to Guy with us

to do so. Matthew, how are you today? Not bad. How are you doing, Tim?

I am well. So we have Daytona is just over a month away. Oh my gosh, time is flying. And then

we have some NASCAR schedule news which we can get into today. So we

know that the NASCAR schedule is out. And I'm going to take a quick peek at it here. I don't

know if I'm going to go through all 38 or whatever races, but we'll hit the highlights. Then you

can talk about what your thoughts are. But let me just kind of run through a few highlights here.

So the cookout clash goes back to Bobman Gray. That's February 1st. It is a Sunday night race,

8 o'clock Eastern. And then Daytona is February 15th. So that would be a 230 Eastern time.

That's obviously the flagship race. And the duels are a couple days ahead on Thursday the 12th.

And then February closes out with the Auto Trader 400 and Hampton, Georgia, the Atlanta Motor

Speedway or Echo Park as they call it now. And then we move into March road course. People want

to take a peek the first day of March. They'll be in Cota, circuit of the Americas in Austin,

Texas. Our first intermediate mile and a half races follow right away. Actually,

we'll go through the whole thing real quick. They follow Phoenix in Las Vegas. And then

Darlington is our first kind of Southeast race outside of Daytona. And well, I guess we have

one in Georgia. So I take that back. My geography failed me for a moment there.

But so we go out to Darlington on March 22nd and then we're in Martinsville on the short track

at the end of March on the 29th. And we have an April Bristol Motor Speedway followed by Kansas

and then Talladega. So three races in April. May we go to Texas. Watkins Glen moves to May 10th.

So you again, road course, people pay attention to that. And then Dover has the All Star races

here on the 17th of May. Of course, Charlotte following the 1,500 on Memorial Day weekend,

Sunday May 24th this year. And then we go to Nashville for the Cracker Barrel 400 to finish

off the month of May and the 31st. If you're a midwesterner, Michigan International Speedway

is always a popular race. And that'll be June 7th. We head back to classic track of Pocono on the

June 14th. And then the first San Diego Street race, which replaced the Chicago Street Race,

is the Angel Rule 250 on June 21st. And then we are in Sonoma for another classic road course,

one of my favorite tracks, both to watch a race and to drive. That is the Toyota Savemark 350

in June 28th. And then we're back in Chicago Land. Chicago Land Speedway first time in a long time.

No Chicago Street Race this year. So we're moving out of the city about an hour southwest to Joliet,

Illinois. The Chicago Land Speedway is another intermediate track mile on a half type track.

That race is going to be the same weekend, however, as the Chicago Street Race. So it'll be

July 4th weekend. Sunday, July 5th, and it is a night race. It is 6pm Eastern, so five o'clock

central. So it's really kind of a dinner time race. It'll probably be Sony most of that race

because of that time of year. And then we're back in Georgia, back at Echo Park for the

Quaker State 400, down in North Carolina for the Window Road 400 after that. And then the famous

Prikii 400, another one of my favorite personal favorite races, Indianapolis, July 26th. Then

we're back in Iowa. So kind of bouncing back to the Midwest here, August 9th, Iowa Speedway.

Cookout 400, Richmond Raceway in Richmond, Virginia on August 15th. And New Hampshire is

August 23rd, back to Daytona for the Coke Zero Sugar 400, August 29th. Cookout Southern 500,

Darlington, September 6th. So I believe it's Labor Day weekend. The Enjoy Illinois 300.

Very far from July in Illinois. The Illinois is a very long state north to south. This is more in

the St. Louis area in Metis in Illinois. A world watch analogy raceway. That is Sunday, September

13th. We have a night race in Bristol following that on a Saturday, the 19th of September. And then

Hollywood Casino, Kansas, Hollywood Casino 400 in Kansas on 27th of September. Excuse me. And then

the South Point 400 in Las Vegas on October 4th. Back to Charlotte for the Bank of America

Roval. So they're on the Roval. That's the Bank of America Roval 400. And Phoenix on October 18th.

Talladega, the Yellowwood 500, closing off the regular season, October 25th. And then actually,

I take that back. I have two more races in front of me. We have Martinsville and

actually, you know what? I take that back. So I think this is going into the playoffs. They don't

have the demarcation when the playoffs start here. They have two races in November listed.

Martinsville on November 1st in NASCAR cups. They may not have the playoffs finalized. That threw

me off a little. But the NASCAR Cup goes back to Miami this year. Matthew, what do you think of

that? Like you said, with Homestead Miami playing the finale once again. I mean, after

being in Phoenix for the last little while. And I think that it's NASCAR, the all about

tradition, et cetera, et cetera. But having that change really mixes up the, really mixes things

up, you know, compared to some of the drivers who are such strong competitors at Phoenix.

And from what we're looking at here, Phoenix is going to be the beginning of the playoff

round of eight for this year. Yeah, I messed that up. So thank you for clerking me on that.

But here's the thing. I mean, I'm not sure any of this is completely set in stone because I'm

looking at the J. Ski here with a lot, which is always an excellent source. And there's always

some speculation about changing off the, changing off how the points are going to work. I would

love to see, you know, we've talked a lot about points and how they're going to work. So there

will probably be some changes. We shall see what they are going to be. But as we're looking at it

here now, Miami is going to be the finale with Martinsville leading into that. So if NASCAR,

if NASCAR does stick with a one race format to decide the champion, Martinsville is going to be,

Martinsville is going to be the last race to kick anybody out. And that's, that's a good way to do

it, right? I mean, just with that short, short little paper clip, that's, that's a pretty good

way to do it. Because I think before that we had, we still had Martinsville anyways being the last

one. It's no good. I don't feel to have like Talladega because that's such a crapshoot.

Being the last race is going to kick anybody out of these so-called playoffs.

One thing I do want to check, hang on. So the end of the round of 12 before...

Yeah, I had to count backwards.

Yeah. And so the end of the round of 12 is still the roval. Okay. So you're still going to end that

with someone who's probably going to do pretty well on, on roval types on road course surfaces.

So SVG in that example. So I do think, I mean, there's been some pretty good changes for this

year. I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of opportunity here. There's going to be five road

courses on schedule dropping from six. San Diego and Sonoma are going to run back to back.

And yeah, that's going to be interesting because it was Sonoma in Chicago last year.

Yeah. And Watkins Glen has been moved out of the summer months and into early May.

I caught that too. Yeah. I hope that works. Right. There's other in upstate New York and

in the upper Midwest, in upper, in this case, mid-Atlantic states can be tricky in May.

They really can. And they're going to Darlington May, March 22nd, which was always the Mother's Day

deal, right? Or around that, but not always, but you know, it has been, but Darlington,

you know, on March 22nd, that's really early. That's really early. I think last year it was

definitely into April. I'm not sure when. I'm pretty sure it was in the first week of April,

but moving that two weeks. We've seen snow in Bristol before, but that way, right?

I hope they don't always need to advertise that type of stuff. But it's the same, you know,

we often think about these places as just being warm. And F1, for example, the first time they

went to Vegas, they said, oh, yes, they're going to be great. We'll have this in November. It's

going to be warm. It's not warm sometimes in the middle of, you know, in November, when it's dark,

right? When all the heat has gone away, when the sun has gone down, and they did have some cold

weather challenges there. And I, I argue, well, there's going to be some cold weather challenges

here too. Daytona 500, like you said, February 15th, day after Valentine's Day. And Echo Park

Speedway, correct me, that's Atlanta, right? That's Atlanta. I'll drill that into my brain

eventually. So I'm looking forward to 2026. There are some good changes here. The brain

trust that is NASCAR has listened, dare I say, to some of the things for which fans have been

clamoring for, including a return to Homestead Miami for the final race of the

2026 season. And we'll see if it's a one and done type deal for the so-called playoffs again this

year. Yeah. And so speaking of playoffs, this is what threw me off and I messed up. I was looking

forward on the schedule. I was just reading the schedule and I didn't even think to myself that,

you know, and I get to November 8th, I'm like, wait a minute, they need playoffs. So you count

back and it starts, I believe last year started early the mid-September. So you have to count back

and then, so it looks like the playoffs are going to start with Darlington Cookout Southern 500.

If I'm reading, if I'm doing the math correctly based on what we, you and I just talked about,

it sounds like the new New Hampshire race, which is out of the playoffs,

and it does not have a sponsor as of yet either. I'm sure it will by the time we get to the late

August. Yeah. It sounds like the Coke 0400 at Daytona will be the final regular season.

That's the cutoff at Daytona, yes. Yeah. If I'm doing my math right, which is always

questionable when it comes to me in math, even basic math. But so that sounds like Darlington

and the St. Louis area, Bristol, Kansas, Vegas, as you talked about just a few minutes ago,

Charlotte Phoenix, of course, Talladega, Martinsville, and obviously Manning. So that's our playoff run

as of right now. The reason why I'm being kind of vague about this and NASCAR is vague itself is

I don't think they have finalized the playoff format for 2026 yet. We're a month out from the

season beginning and I have not heard anything to suggest that there's going to be changes or not.

My guess is there'll be some minor tweaks to what the format is after some of the complaints we had

last year. And I know you've talked about it a ton on the podcast. I can't imagine a major overhaul

happening this close to the beginning of the season. And obviously the lawsuit

and the legal wrangling may have put that on hold as well. Any changes may have had to wait

till they figured out what was going to happen with the suit. Because if they had ruling had

gone a different way, it would have really changed things around. So we'll have to kind of keep an

eye on what's going to happen with the playoffs. Obviously the schedule changed. The schedule

changed. We moved New Hampshire away and moved the championship back to Miami which we hit upon

a few minutes ago. So I won't belabor that point. But that's the only real change we can kind of

track right now. And of course there's the other track changes like going to San Diego and again

as someone who lives in Chicago and I like the street race although I'm far enough away from it

that I'm not directly affected by it. I live a few miles away. So any of the road closures

and all sorts of inconveniences don't bother me too much. And of course covering the race,

it's different. You just deal with it. But that being said, as I said this before on the podcast

we announced the move to San Diego. So I'll keep it short. But I am excited to see that race. It

will have a good scenic background. I wish they could keep the Chicago street race and do San

Diego. And I think possibly in the future they will. I know as we've talked about before,

if the Chicago street race returns it'll probably be a different weekend than July 4th just to

minimize inconvenience in downtown Chicago. I'm laughing at Nascar Presley saying that the

Chicago end race will be in the windy city. It's like no, well it says windy city market.

That's more appropriate because Joliet is about as far. Joliet is one of the last suburbs before

you get to the cornfields before you then before you leave the metro area. And Joliet's a big

population-wise, a big suburb. It has a casino in a nice downtown. It's not a small town whatsoever.

It's right off the freeway. The speedway is just a short drive from Interstate 80. So

going back to Chicago land will be interesting. I'm curious how it affects things in terms of

bringing in new fans by moving out to the suburbs and away from the city where part of the whole

reason to have the street race was to bring in new fans to Nascar people who wouldn't really think

about it. Otherwise people who live in the city don't go out to Joliet too often. So we'll see

how that happens. I'm looking at other changes here. Moving Watkins Glen to May, just I worry

about rain out with that. Other than that, I don't have any issues with that. I like having the

road course races and it's a bummer. I think we lose, like you said, I think we lose one. So

yeah, it's an okay schedule. I'm just really kind of curious what's going to happen at the

playoffs because they don't have, I have not seen like you said, or I don't think you have either,

I've not seen an announcement that would finalize the playoffs for 2026. Have you?

No. And in terms of anyone coming out and saying, Hey, this is 100% exactly what we're doing. There's

always the asterisk on there. Everything's always subject to change. Yeah. Right. As we saw, I know

2020 was a completely different deal. You know, once the lockdowns and stuff happened after the

season had started, and you know, things were, things were, things were moved around a lot then,

but I believe that the schedule we have in terms of the tracks and when the races are going to happen

at those tracks is final. I firmly believe that's final, that you know, Kansas is going to be on

September 27th, Phoenix is going to be at October 18th. Yeah, the dates, the dates wouldn't change.

I don't think. The point structure might. So we're looking at here, still says round of 16,

round of 12. That's open for interpretation right now. So I don't know what site you're looking

at. I'm looking at NASCAR official schedule. It doesn't say anything about round of. Yeah. So

are you looking at JSCI or? No, I'm just using those terms, Kaloku. Yeah. NASCAR official website

link does not say, and it did last year. Last year, did say round of 12 round. So that's what

threw me off on the schedule. I was expecting to see that and I didn't even click in my head until I

got down to the end of it. I'm like, wait a minute, you can't start the playoffs on November 8th

because you wouldn't finish till January. So yeah, it's really intriguing. And we're just doing the

math counting backwards, you know, counting based on last year. So assuming it's like last year,

then Daytona ends the regular season, Saturday, August 29th. So Labor Day weekend will either be,

it's the first Saturday, first Sunday in September, or first Monday, excuse me.

So I'm looking at the calendar, kind of scrolling ahead here. So the first Monday would be the seventh,

so because the 31st of August was on a Monday. So Labor Day weekend would be to cook out Southern

500, September 6th, that would probably be, that sounds like it'd be the playoffs,

as we said a few minutes ago. So yeah, again, I really am curious about San Diego. I do like,

they did this with Chicago and Sonoma last year. I like the road course, although it's,

I can't remember if last year was the same order where Chicago then Sonoma, I think it was.

I think Sonoma first, I can't recall. But either way, having two road courses back to back,

I think is easier on the teams in terms of car setup. And I know they're different,

I know street course is going to be flatter and bumpier than a road course,

and less predictable because it just is, it's something you can't really practice on and probably,

and regular cars are driving on it all the time. But I still think it's easier on car setup. And

then having, having those two races in California the same week back to back makes travel a little

easier. And they roll, yeah, and they roll their way east through Chicago to the east coast over

the next few weeks. So I'm, I'm sure if you're a NASCAR employee for a team, the travel looks a

little bit less intense. I didn't count the amount of races, but it does seem like there's not a

ton of time off, but there never is a NASCAR. So I don't know, Matthew, we have just a few minutes

left. I don't know if you have anything else you want to add on the, we do have a break again,

July 26, August 9th. I don't think there's an Olympics this year, because we had summer last

year, I believe, or the year before. I know we have winter Olympics coming up, I know they're

every two years now, I think. So it's summer, I want to say was last year. Everything blurs

together for a while as you get older. But yeah, so we have, we do have a slight break.

I think we have one week off between the brickyard and the Iowa corn. So there is a little bit

of a break there. That might just be kind of a, you know, give everyone a reset after the year,

kind of deal. But Matthew, we only have a couple minutes left. So I want to hear

your thoughts on the schedule. And we'll talk more about this one. This topic is going to be,

especially at the playoffs, not being settled. There may be some changes. We may have to hit

this one again in the future. So it's not, this is not a one and done topic, but Matthew, I want to

hear your opinions before we log off. Of course, yeah. And then, I mean, with some of the other,

some of the other series that are associated with NASCAR, like trucks, right? Just as a footnote,

trucks are going to race on the street circuit for the first time. Oh yeah, that's true.

Right. So that's kind of cool. But with the schedule, like for all three of its national

series, I think we're in for a pretty good 2026 with those major changes that we mentioned,

you know, Watkins Glen moving up to May from up to Mother's Day will be interesting in terms of

weather. But the big return of Homestead at the end, the elimination of the Chicago street race

in favor of, you still got one in that, in that market, which is important, that 1.5 mile oval.

Yeah. It's the third largest city in the United States. So we have to keep something in the market

for sure. Got to, got to. So looking forward to it. It's going to be, I think, a really good year.

Yeah. And on a personal note, I don't know for sure if T-Tac will cover

Chicago lane races way too far in advance to think that far ahead. But if we do cover it,

it would be kind of fun. And I might go as a fan if we don't cover it. Just kind of fun to check

it out, check out that speedway. I've driven it as a part of the Richard Petty experience. I've

it's right next to the NHRA drag strip where I have seen in a couple races,

a couple NHRA events. So I'm excited to see Chicago lane. But yeah, and I'm also excited

just to see Brickyard 400 is always a fun race to watch on TV. So having that remaining in the

schedule is great. And excited to, I'm a little bummed or not going to Mexico. That was a kind

of a fun race. I had to, that one, I think I had to miss due to some family commitments. So I had

to watch that later on the DVR, but it was, it was a fun race to watch. And that's kind of a

bummer that we're not going international this year. But yeah, I'm excited to see what happens

with the playoffs. And on that note, we'll, we'll, we'll keep it, keep an open mind and we'll reserve

some time to discuss the playoff format once it's announced. And with that, we'll go ahead and close

out our next NASCAR segment here on the Fifth Valley Cars podcast. Thank you for your time,

Matthew. Thank you, Tim.

That's all for this week's The Truth About Cars podcast. I am Tim Healy, the managing editor,

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