protections like local service support, transparent
pricing, and warranty assistance.
Really?
I giggled when I saw that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What's that gentleman's name?
Brian Moss.
Yeah, I can't say what I want to say.
I want to ask what I wanted to ask is, was he under
the influence of anything when he wrote that sentence?
Okay.
Because I can assure you from having spent 43 years in
retail automotive that dealerships are not really living
up to service support, transparent pricing, and
warranty assistance.
Yes, they'll assist you with their warranty.
Yes, they'll be more than happy to service vehicle,
transparent pricing.
Here's an example, dad.
Here's an example.
I posted this over on X, like, we got this through our
AI negotiator, and you can see here it was a 2023 Chevrolet
Silverado 1500 RST internet sales price.
This is a screenshot from their website, $48,990.
That's the transparent pricing.
When we reached out to the dealership, you can see
the selling price, $48,990, so it matches up.
But then they added on $399 for SafeCat, $239 for Edge, $1,295
for Elo GPS.
Then we have, obviously we know it's California, so $85
Dock fee.
That's fine.
Then a $4,890 something and a $1,295 something before
adding taxes, our outdoor price went up to $58,046 in
almost a $10,009 dollar price change from what
they had on their website.
This is a California dealer.
So it is, to your point, about maybe bad news for
consumers.
The dealers association is most likely going to win this
lawsuit against Honda.
Like, there's very, I don't know, we're not lawyers,
but we look at it and it's like pretty common sense.
They have a law, they're breaking a law, they're
going to get sued, they've gotten sued, they're
going to have to stop doing what they're doing.
But to have the president of the automobile association
say, well, this is, this would be a disservice to
consumers because it would rid them of transparent
pricing.
Yes.
It's like, come on man, we've got examples galore about
how the current system is not giving consumers
transparent pricing.
Yeah, the current system is not customer friendly.
Never has been, hopefully one day it will be.
You know, there, could dealerships choose to
operate in a different manner?
Yes, some do.
The vast majority still don't.
And so, I get the concept that Mr.
Moss was trying to articulate.
I just, I'm just curious as to what he was under
the influence of when he wrote that.
In my opinion.
I love you dad.
All right, from Rich here.
Appreciate your Rich.
Thank you for the kind contribution pops.
Show Zach, aka, Loinford, don't know what the
heck that means.
Ford, and it's better days than 1961 Thunderbird.
Pops, I ended up pulling one up right here.
Let's look at these 1961 Thunderbird.
Good look at car, man.
Indeed, it was.
Damn, that looks gorgeous.
Yeah, not, I don't think it's as good looking
as the original Thunderbird, which I think
came out with 56.
I'm not sure.
But yeah, the Thunderbird convertible two-seater.
Oh my God.
What?
Yeah.
You know, you prefer this one, dad?
I prefer the original.
Yes.
Pretty good looking tail.
Oh, that was a classic.
That was an absolute classic.
Yeah, buddy.
I think they're both pretty good looking.
Oh, they are.
And the 61, I think, is great looking as well.
It's longer.
Yeah, much.
You know, one was one was a smaller two seat sport
coupe, sport roadster, whatever you want to call it.
And then one was the two seat sport roadster on steroids.
Yeah, one was a land yacht.
Yeah, I mean, look at the size and look at it,
but it's a great looking car.
And I'm just guessing it probably wasn't recalled nearly
as often as Ford's current vehicles are.
Just, just.
Ford comes up and our minds jump to recalls.
Now, there's one more story I wanted to bring up today,
which was Hyundai.
I don't know if you saw it was an automotive news CDG also is
covering it.
An additional five Billy is what they're investing here in
the United States, increasing their investment to 26 billion
through 2028.
Seems like Hyundai is all in on trying to increase them
out of their supply chain coming through the United States.
Makes me wonder a little bit, dad, if they're going to
get some preferential treatment, maybe pricing won't go
up as much stuff like the accent way.
Preferential treatment.
I just found it interesting.
Hyundai making a big announcement.
They're going to put another five billion of committed
dollars.
Who knows what it actually means.
I think the Hyundai is saying in as polite of terms as
they can that we're going to look at at every local market
and by local market, I mean North America, the United
States.
Okay.
And and they are going to increase investments in the
United States so that they can build more of their
vehicles here.
And and that's not to say that they necessarily won't do
the same things in South America or in Africa or in
India, wherever they're trying to increase their local
manufacturing capabilities across the globe.
So does it make sense?
Absolutely it does.
Will it get them preferential treatment?
I'm pretty sure they're thinking it will because
otherwise they probably wouldn't be doing it.
So yeah, it's yeah.
Yeah, I mean it's it makes great sense on their part.
Can we can we talk about for a moment?
And I know I sent you a couple articles in regards to
it.
The fact that Mercedes Benz is going I think starting
in 2027 going to start utilizing BMW engines in
their vehicles now here.
Did you want to put?
Well, I was hoping we could do that as a dedicated
show, but if you want to share some of your insights
initially here, I'm here for it.
But I think that'll probably be like tomorrow's primary
focus, but but go for it.
Well, okay.
You need to go into both shows folks.
Yeah, I mean we can talk about it in greater
detail tomorrow.
The idea of two major rivals in Germany, two rival car
manufacturers saying, okay, we're going to work together.
Yeah.
Okay, where we're one of the manufacturers are saying we
keep trying, but we haven't figured out a way to produce
the engines that we need to produce the work and the
way we need them to work.
The same way that BMW has and that these two huge rivals
are going to be willing to work hand to the hand on this.
I think just looking at it briefly, it kind of indicates
what the future may hold as far as how things get
consolidated in automotive to where you can see these
two rivals suddenly saying, we're not rivals at all.
We're merging.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think it's a huge, huge, huge story.
We'll dedicate the beginning of tomorrow's show, most of
tomorrow's show to exactly that.
Mercedes-Benz and BMW shock the auto industry.
Tune in for that.
Yeah, it really did.
So I think it'll be an awesome conversation, but
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Let's call it a show for today.
Steve, one of our team members from New York's down here
in DC with me today.
So I'm going to go hang out with him and work this
afternoon and let's do it all again tomorrow at the
same time.
So I'm good.
You mean if Steve wasn't here, you would be taking
this afternoon off?
No, we would always be on the show.
I'm glad you clarified.
All right, man.
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Catch you back here tomorrow.
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