A Toyota Camry is a regular everyday car (a sedan) made for commuting and errands. People talk about it a lot because it’s common and usually aims to be dependable. In the episode, it’s just being referenced as a specific car model.
A Chevrolet Corvette is a sports car designed to go fast and feel exciting to drive. It’s known for quick acceleration and strong performance. The episode brings it up because the speaker is emphasizing how fast Corvettes can be.
The Hyundai Santa Cruz is a smaller SUV-like vehicle that also has a truck bed. It’s meant for people who want to carry stuff but don’t need a big pickup. The episode mentions it in the context of driving conditions like hills and fog.
Tire tread refers to the pattern of grooves and raised rubber on the outside of a tire. It affects traction, water evacuation, and how the tire looks—so the hosts are discussing both performance-related and visual aspects.
Yokohama A008s is a specific tire model, and the hosts are discussing its availability in certain rim sizes. They also describe the tread pattern visually—“dimples”—which is a common way enthusiasts identify and compare tire designs.
In tire-talk, “dimples” usually refers to small raised features in the tread blocks or sipes that can influence how the tire grips and how it wears. Here, the hosts use the dimples as a visual identifier for the Yokohama A008s.
Michelin PE2s is a specific tire model that the hosts recommend as an alternative because it’s available in 13-inch sizes (and other select sizes). They connect the PE2s name to “Michelin Pilot Exalto,” indicating the tire’s full model naming.
The Porsche 944 is a classic Porsche sports car. Here, they’re saying they used the same tire model on a 944 before, which helps you understand what that tire feels like on a real car.
Ice tires are special winter tires made for cold, icy roads. They’re designed to grip better on ice and snow than regular tires, mainly through a softer rubber and a tread pattern that can bite into the surface.
“Knobby” means the tire has chunky, raised tread blocks. Those blocks help the tire grab snow and ice better, though the tire can be louder and wear quicker on regular dry roads.
A tread block is one of the raised “chunks” on the tire’s outer surface. The size and shape of those chunks matter because they help the tire grip and move water/slush out of the way.
Brand
Dunlop formula are D 98 J
Dunlop is a tire brand. The “D 98 J” part sounds like a specific tire model code—basically the exact version of that tire.
The Land Rover Defender is a tough, off-road SUV with a big enthusiast community. Here it’s mentioned because someone put these wheels/tires on one and it looked great.
“15 inch wheels” means the wheel diameter is 15 inches, which directly affects tire sizing and fitment. Smaller wheel diameters often allow taller sidewalls, which can change ride comfort and pothole protection.
“All-terrain” tires are designed to handle a mix of pavement and light off-road use, typically with deeper tread blocks and more void space. An “aggressive” all-terrain look usually means more pronounced tread patterns for traction and durability off-road.
They’re talking about a Ferrari F40 and the Pirelli P Zero tire that was associated with it. The point is that the tire’s tread design helped the car feel grippy and responsive.
Pirelli makes performance tires. In this segment, they’re talking about a Pirelli tire with an asymmetrical tread design to help grip and steering feel.
The BMW 5 Series is a comfortable, higher-end sedan. It’s designed for everyday driving with a focus on comfort and features. In the episode, it’s mentioned because the speaker remembers an old BMW promotion involving an M5 model.
The BMW M3 is BMW’s high-performance version of the 3 Series. People like it because it’s built to feel sporty and handle well, not just to get you from A to B.
The Wagon R is a small wagon-style car made to be practical and easy to live with. It’s designed to fit a lot of space in a small footprint. The podcast brings it up because the speaker is talking about having to find parts and doing repairs.
The Volvo V70 R wagon is a sportier, higher-performance version of Volvo’s V70 family wagon. It’s the kind of car people pick when they want something practical, but still more exciting to drive.
An “engine swap” is when you put a different engine into a car. It’s more than just bolting it in—there are other systems that have to work together, so people test the car in steps first.
“E30” is a BMW 3 Series from the late 1980s/early 1990s. People love it for projects and swaps, so it often shows up in discussions about how long to drive before pushing the car.
A transmission swap means replacing the car’s gearbox with another one. After that kind of repair, it’s common to drive for a while to make sure shifting feels right and nothing is overheating.
Heat cycles just means the car gets hot and then cools down again and again. After enough of those cycles, problems that don’t show up right away—like issues with shifting or worn parts—can start to appear.
A “sensor failure” is when a sensor in the car gives wrong information. The computer may then not run the engine as it should, which can cause rough running or warning lights.
A relay is like an electrical switch controlled by the car’s computer. If it fails, a specific system might stop working even though the car otherwise seems okay.
A turbocharger is a device that helps the engine breathe by forcing more air in. It can boost power, but it also adds extra heat and stress to the engine.
The Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG is a faster, higher-performance version of the Mercedes E-Class. It’s meant for drivers who want more power and a sportier feel. In the episode, it’s mentioned because the speaker is talking about which Mercedes years were better in terms of overall quality.
The Mazda Miata is a small two-seat convertible that’s meant to be fun to drive. It’s popular because it feels light and responsive. The podcast mentions it because someone is using one for a long daily commute.
Vacuum-assisted systems use suction from the engine to help run parts of the car. The point being made is that some of those older-style helpers can feel odd when combined with newer electronics.
W211 is the Mercedes E-Class generation from the mid-2000s. They’re saying it’s a common taxi platform because it’s comfortable and feels safe for everyday use.
“Rust issues” means the car starts corroding—usually on the body or underbody. In this discussion, they’re saying some later years had more rust than earlier ones.
A “V6” is an engine with six cylinders. It’s a common layout in many cars because it usually feels smooth and provides decent power for everyday driving.
Air suspension uses air bags instead of metal springs. It can make the ride smoother and sometimes lets the car adjust its height, but it’s more complicated than a basic suspension system.
A supercharger is a device that forces extra air into the engine. More air usually means more power, but it also adds extra parts that can be more expensive to maintain.
Rear-wheel drive means the back wheels do the work of moving the car. In this discussion, they’re treating RWD as part of a simpler, more desirable setup for commuting.
The Lexus LS 430 is a luxury car (a big sedan) from the mid-2000s. The point here is that the host thinks it’s a smart alternative because it’s well-made and keeps its value.
“Hold their value” means the car doesn’t lose its resale price as fast as other cars. The idea is that it can be cheaper to own over the long run because you can sell it for more later.
Car
Miata
The Miata is a small, fun-to-drive Mazda roadster. In this conversation, it’s mentioned because someone is joking that you could even do a long commute in one.
An air-cooled engine uses air moving over the engine to keep it from overheating, instead of coolant. The hosts are using it to talk about why some older cars can feel different to drive than newer ones.
The Dacia Logan is a simple, lower-cost car designed for everyday driving. It’s meant to be practical rather than fancy. The podcast mentions it as part of a conversation involving the name “Logan.”
The Econoline is a Ford van that’s been around for a long time. The hosts are talking about when Ford stopped using the Econoline name and moved to the Transit van instead.
They’re describing a van that was modified by Starcraft for a special purpose. The example they give is that it even had a TV inside, showing it was customized for a specific kind of use.
A-pillars are the vertical supports at the front of the car that hold up the roof near the windshield. They’re bringing it up as part of the simpler, more old-school design they like.
A manual transmission means you change gears yourself with a clutch pedal and a shifter. They’re saying they like that more old-school driving feel compared to many modern cars.
The Mazda CX-50 is a Mazda crossover. The point here is that it feels simpler and more old-school to drive—less like a computer full of features and more like a normal car with a regular shifter.
CVT stands for a transmission that can smoothly change gear ratios without distinct “gears.” The speaker is saying they prefer the non-CVT feel because it tends to feel more direct and less “rubbery.”
Stop-start is the system that turns the engine off when you’re stopped at a light and turns it back on when you’re ready to go. The speaker is saying they prefer a car that doesn’t do that automatically.
The Subaru BRZ is a small sports car with two doors. It’s made to feel fun and responsive when you drive. The podcast mentions it as an example of a performance car that’s meant for driving enjoyment.
They’re describing a driving feel. “Analogness” means it feels more like a traditional car you can sense with your hands and feet, and “connectedness” means the car responds in a direct, natural way.
“Power distribution” is how the car decides where its power goes. The computer can shift it around based on what the car senses, which can make the driving feel different.
“Steering feel” is the driver’s feedback through the steering wheel—how directly and consistently the car responds to inputs. It’s influenced by the steering system design (mechanical vs electric assist), alignment, tire behavior, and how much the car’s electronics filter or intervene.
A Range Rover is a luxury SUV made for both comfort and rougher roads. It’s known for having a higher ride and lots of features inside. In the episode, it’s brought up as a recognizable kind of SUV with a specific look and layout.
The G-Class is a luxury SUV with a very recognizable, boxy shape. It’s built to handle rough roads while still feeling upscale inside. The episode mentions it as part of a discussion about what the car should be called or how it’s been positioned.
The Toyota Land Cruiser is a tough SUV designed to handle rough roads and long trips. It’s known for durability and off-road ability. The episode references it because people still like the look of the older Land Cruiser style, even in newer builds.
A half cage is part of a roll cage installed inside the car. It helps protect you in a crash and can also make the car feel more solid, especially for track driving.
A rear seat delete means removing the back seats from the car. People do it to save weight and make the back area more useful for gear or racing-style setup.
“Bare metal” race-car spec means the inside is left exposed instead of being covered with trim. It can save weight, but it usually makes the car louder and less comfortable.
Alcantara is a soft, suede-like material used inside cars. It’s popular because it looks nice and feels grippy, even though it’s not real leather.
Term
GT three club sports spec
“GT3 club sport spec” is a more track-focused interior style you’ll see on some GT3 cars. It usually means lighter, more race-like materials instead of a fully cushy street interior.
Air conditioning is the system that cools the cabin. Some people remove it in lightweight, track-style builds, but then the car is less comfortable day-to-day.
Concept
tinny
“Tinny” is how people describe a harsh, echoey sound. If the interior is mostly bare metal with less padding, you can hear more road and mechanical noise.
Concept
strip all the tar
“Tar” is a messy coating used to reduce noise or protect surfaces. Removing it takes time and effort, especially if you’re trying to expose and refinish the metal.
Hydraulic steering means the car uses fluid pressure to help you turn the wheel. It can change how the steering feels compared to electric power steering.
Term
ZF six
ZF is a company that makes transmissions. “ZF six” here means a six-speed automatic transmission, which changes how the car shifts gears.
Term
ZF eight
“ZF eight” means an eight-speed automatic transmission made by ZF. More gears can help the car shift smoothly and keep the engine in the right range.
Body control modules are the car’s electronics that run a lot of the “body” features like lights and locks. If they fail, the car can act strangely because multiple systems are affected.
“Coil failures” usually refers to ignition coils (or coil packs) that generate the high voltage needed to ignite the air-fuel mixture in each cylinder. When coils fail, you can get misfires, rough running, and warning lights, and the car may feel like it’s “falling apart” electronically because the engine management reacts to misfire events.
An eight-speed transmission means the car has eight different gear ratios. More gears can help the engine stay in the right range so the car feels smoother and more responsive.
“Turbo four” means the engine has four cylinders and it uses a turbo to boost power. It’s a common way automakers make smaller engines feel stronger.
Term
B58
B58 is the name BMW uses for a specific engine family. People talk about how it sounds and feels, and in this case the speaker says it can be kind of rattly.
Direct injection means the car squirts fuel straight into the engine’s combustion area. It can make the engine run more efficiently, but it may also sound a bit different—sometimes even a little rough or “rattly.”
A panoramic roof is the big glass roof you can see through from inside the car. If something in the roof mechanism fails, mechanics may have to take apart a lot of interior trim to fix it.
A warranty is coverage that pays for certain repairs for a limited period. Here, the speaker says the expensive repair was covered, so the owner didn’t have to pay the full cost.
The headliner is the fabric or panel on the inside of the car’s roof. If the problem is up in the roof area, shops often have to remove it to reach the parts underneath.
Grip level is how well the tire can hold the road. Higher grip means the car can turn and accelerate without the tires sliding.
Term
200 tread
“200 tread” is a number that’s printed on many tires. It’s a rough indicator of how long the tire tread is expected to last—lower usually means stickier grip, higher usually means longer life.
Traction is the grip between the tire and the road surface. When traction is limited, the tire can’t transfer as much force, so the car will start to slip instead of accelerating or turning as intended.
The sidewall is the part of the tire on the side. If it’s stiff, the tire holds its shape better, which can make the car feel more solid—especially when you’re driving hard or over rough stuff.
That’s the wheel size: 15 inches across the rim, and 8 inches wide. The width matters because it changes how the tire sits on the wheel and can affect the look and feel.
Term
warren style
“Warren style” sounds like a nickname for a certain look or setup people like. In this context, it’s about choosing a narrower tire and getting a thicker-looking sidewall.
Term
tire car package
They’re talking about the whole setup—tires plus wheels—working together. People notice both how it looks and how it drives as a complete combination.
Braille is a way of reading and writing using raised dots you feel with your fingers. They’re mentioning it because of a stop they made, not because of the car.
The Toyota Tundra is a large pickup truck with a bed for hauling things. People use them for work, towing, and carrying gear. The podcast mentions it because someone is making a platform accessory for the truck bed.
“Drive-by-wire” means the car uses computers and sensors to control things like steering or braking. Instead of a direct mechanical connection, signals go electronically to the parts that do the work.
“Braking by wire” means your brake pedal doesn’t directly move the brakes through cables or hydraulics. Instead, it sends an electronic signal that tells the braking system what to do.
Term
brimbo system
They likely mean “Brembo,” a company famous for brake parts. Even with electronic braking, the actual brake components still matter a lot.
A recall is when the company says, “This car has a problem—please get it fixed.” It’s usually for safety issues that could affect how the car works while you’re driving.
A brake rotor is the metal disc your brakes squeeze to slow the car down. The segment says the rotor can crack around the wheel-stud area, which can make the wheel studs come loose.
This means the recall is for Cybertrucks that came with 18-inch steel wheels. Wheel size and type can matter because different wheels use different mounting hardware and fitment details.
Sentinel mode is a security setting that uses the car’s cameras while it’s parked. If something happens nearby, it can record and save footage for you to look at later.
The Tesla Cybertruck is an electric pickup with a very unusual, sharp-looking design. The hosts are talking about how it stands out so much that people react to it, even when it’s sitting still.
The GMC Sierra electric is an electric version of the Sierra pickup. The speaker’s main point is that it looks more normal than the Cybertruck and feels more refined inside.
The Chevrolet Silverado is a traditional gas pickup truck that most people think of when they picture a normal full-size truck. The host is basically saying it’s very different from the Cybertruck.
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Welcome to Driving Well Awesome.
My name is Warren.
And I'm Lane.
I'm going to pause this for a second.
I did not record my part.
Somehow my recorder came unplugged.
So the way we do this thing,
Arton Santa Barbara,
Warren's at his house.
I'm at my house.
We all record separately.
So the audio is good.
We all have mics.
We all have recorders.
And somehow my recorder did not go through.
So if you're hearing this,
then I edited out all my parts.
Or basically the blank areas of this podcast
where I was talking.
And hopefully it sounds alright.
But things will be normal next week.
Sorry for that.
And enjoy the show.
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Back in action.
Back baby.
It's almost summer.
It's almost here guys.
Yeah.
You know what?
What also comes with the summer
and our neck of the woods.
And I think collectively,
we're talking about California coastal living
is the freaking marine layer.
And I'm in it.
Dude, we've had a very heavy
marine layer week this week.
So it like burns off for a couple of hours.
And then it comes right back.
And I'm just like sitting in a freaking cloud.
At least you're up in the hills a bit
because that helps like here in Santa Cruz.
Land will probably have fog for an hour
longer than I will.
Yeah.
Because he's just like two miles
closer to the coast than I am.
That is a thing.
It's nice for a certain amount of time.
But after a while, it gets sick of the gloom.
So are you thinking of getting one of those,
those like artificial sunshine lights
that the people in Alaska?
No, dude, I should just get like the.
I heard that in Seattle,
orange lenses sell really well because
of Bobby Lee style.
Or was it or is it orange or blue,
whichever one blue blockers.
I have blue blockers.
I should I should throw my blue blockers on, dude.
You should.
Maybe that'll brighten you all up.
What if I throw my blue blockers right now?
Would you take me seriously during this?
Never.
Absolutely not.
I think I gave all mine away
because I looked ridiculous.
But they do work though.
It's like, they, they actually do provide.
Yeah.
Snipers.
And we're looking like you're going to Vegas
and on a crazy binge, right?
That's right.
I grow climates and aren't also getting back to sunglasses.
He by far wears sunglasses inside more than anyone.
I really, I would wear them right now.
If you guys wouldn't laugh at me.
You can.
It'd be like, what is it?
Snoopy when he's like a jazz musician, cool Joe or whatever.
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's like a comfort thing.
I feel like I'm in like, you know how some people
like to wear hoods all the time?
Like it's sort of like that.
It's like, I feel mildly like kind of concealed
a little bit and, you know,
Oh man.
Driving gloves are a rare, a rare treat these days.
Treat.
I was out of treats.
I brought out the ones that I took on the rally
and I only used the last day where I bought those
in Japan years ago and they're like a super thin leather,
which is really nice.
So I look like an expert or something.
Like while I wear them, it's pretty sweet.
So is that mesh on the back?
No, no mesh.
There's the really thin leather.
But all, yeah.
But all covered.
Yeah.
No, it's not good.
It's really not.
There is a wall.
There is fabric.
It's like a wool between the,
so it's just imagine like an Oreo cookie.
Like, you know, on the finger, you know,
just you got a wool between the,
the top and the bottom is leather.
Yeah.
Very specific thing.
Very nice.
Very nice.
And what made you take them out on the last day?
It was chilly.
It was chilly.
I had the windows partially down and the last day was
as we're describing it was overcast and on the first
section of the drive,
my left hand was like pretty cold.
I was like, fuck this.
I forgot that I had them and I pulled them out
and I was like, oh yeah,
I forgot how great it is to drive with gloves.
And like it's just,
it's like wearing the Air Jordans, you know,
like it also makes you faster.
That's right.
Yeah.
For sure.
Kind of enhances your performance.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you should look into those,
those lights, you know, for,
what is it called?
Seasonal something disorder.
Are you talking about like,
so you replace your bulbs inside your house or like,
or is it like a little lamp that you put on your desk?
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's like,
I just remember from National Geographic,
there'd be these people up in like far North Russia,
Siberia.
And of course those are the areas where it's
essentially dark for 30 days,
barely light for another 30 days.
And they would have,
they had this like light in the center
and it mimicked the sun and all these kids were
basically like sitting around it just with their
shirts off,
like trying to get any light into their bodies
because they're just dying slowly.
So it might be time dude.
It's gotten under 70 degrees.
That's brutal.
Yeah.
You're getting less.
Dude, under 70 is no bueno.
Yeah.
Anyways.
So yeah,
I guess, you know,
some questions and whatnot.
I think we should question it.
I think that will lead us to where we need to be.
I want to know the mini little rip the other day too.
And I have some thoughts,
but I think there's a question in here.
A mini little rip.
It was like a subset.
Damn, that's small, bro.
All right.
Questions here.
Jonas Hogue Toft says,
what's your favorite tire or tire tread
from a visual perspective?
Oh my gosh.
I just sadly realized the Yokohama A008s
are no longer available in the 13 inch size.
I was planning on getting.
Bomber dude.
Well, that is a really good looking tire.
The A008 is like,
you guys would recognize if you see it.
It's got the dimples on it.
It's like, it's pretty cool.
I like the Yokohama dimples.
They're the ones you ran, Art.
That's sex.
So they're not making the 13.
Check the Michelin PE2s.
They're making 13s in those and 14s and 15s
in select sizes.
I want to say they have a 185 and that's a good tire.
John Jesse has those on his,
on his rabbit right now and he really likes them.
I think Elaine had those on his,
you had them on your 944 too, right?
I think Michelin Pilot Exalto is the PE2s.
Yeah.
And you like them too.
Yeah.
They're, that's a good tire.
Yeah.
They make that in a 13.
Tread.
How much time do we have?
You guys know I'm a super fucking geek here.
I know.
I was like, I saw this question coming and I'm like,
well shit, that's podcast.
All right.
All right.
I'll do like before you start.
Wait, before you start.
Yes.
I'm going to throw this on at you.
Throw it.
The Lars Anderson Museum basement.
Yes.
We did a tour of this place in Boston.
This was many moons ago.
And there was a,
an old car.
I know where you're talking about.
Free war.
Yeah.
And these were ice tires.
I believe it.
They're ice, right?
I mean, they were knobby as shit.
Yeah.
I mean, they were like,
no, in the tread, it said ice.
Is that what it was?
I remember it was like,
it was actual text, right?
It was like font.
It was the, the, the, the tread block was words.
Yeah.
That said whatever they were for,
which I thought was just so funny.
Like if it just said fast, you know,
right, that'd be great.
But yeah, anyways, that's all I got.
No, it's a good one.
I wonder if they have a picture of it.
I'm going to start off with one that I mentioned in the past
that's, it's, it never existed in the US,
but it's in Japan.
They call it the ramen tire.
Look it up.
It's called the, it's, it's the formula,
a Dunlop formula are D 98 or something like that.
And it has like a squiggly ramen,
like imagine top ramen with that looks like.
That's what the tread pattern looks like.
Dunlop formula are search.
The search is not.
It's giving me tire shops that are called ramen tire.
Oh, damn it.
Don't look at ramen tire in English.
You have to look it up.
If you look up again, Dunlop formula are D 98 J.
I think it's or one letter at the end that CN 36 shout out to the,
you know, we got a Pirelli CN 36.
You have the Yokohama AVS AV ones.
Those are sick.
Yeah.
They've got those also have the dots that those.
I mean, and sidewall design is a thing also for sure.
So speaking of which, the look up a Michelin TB 15 that has
a really good tread pattern and a good sidewall rounded really
clean with the old school hollow like imagine like Michelin,
but in the outline of the letters and with not solid.
So really cool design.
And then the tread pattern looks like a bunch of squared off S's.
It's yeah, those are so cool.
Those are red.
The other one that I'll throw out there that,
you know, speaking of our sponsor, that's super cool.
Look at hub.
It's the red, the Redistan grip classic,
which I think would look sick on.
Van again.
I know I need to.
I need tires for my band again.
Actually, it would look so rad, but you have to upsize.
I actually like I looked this up for you because I was thinking
like how rad those would look because Logan got them on his
on his old Defender and like they only make them in 16s.
And at the time I looked up like steelies like the aluminum
steelies that they make for vanigans.
And there's some people that rock them, dude,
like it's like a 16 inch steely.
I know it sounds big, but if you look at it,
it doesn't look that big as steel.
Well, I bought those.
I bought those 15 inch wheels.
Oh, yeah.
That's yeah, because I didn't want to go too big,
but so I need 15 inch wheels or tires and I've been looking.
I talked to Dieter because he has the same wheels on his van
that I bought and he ran a Yokohama.
It's kind of a more aggressive all terrain kind of look.
He was really happy with them though.
So that's an option.
They look a little bit more modern.
I was hoping to go with like what you're talking about,
like a more classic, you know,
even like Michelin from England style tire,
but the jury's still out.
So anyways, call in if you have opinions,
send them opinions.
I've always liked the P zero off an F 40.
The rear P zero tread block is just like complex,
but aggressive and.
Oh, that's the Pirelli asymmetrical, right?
That's got like it's like all sorts.
It's like two tires joined together.
Yeah, those are trippy.
Yeah, but they had a good ad campaign going at that time
and like it was a really focused on that,
um, that tread design.
I think they were like,
that was a big partnership of theirs.
I remember, I think I think that they also use that in the,
when they had the E 28 M five, that campaign, right?
It was like levitating and it had those tires on it.
Am I imagining things?
But then those might have been scorpions
or something different.
But anyways, iconic for sure.
Yep.
Uh, Jacob Torres six says,
did you guys ever experience a time in your life
when you had to lock in and the cars take a backseat?
If so, how did reentry feel?
Much love from New York.
Thanks Jacob.
Um, believe it or not, I feel like I'm in the,
uh, I had to lock in and cars take a backseat currently.
Like even though we're doing all this stuff with cars,
like I feel like I have less time to work on cars
and take drives, but, um, yeah,
anything come to mind for you guys.
We had to like abandon.
I mean, it's probably when you have, we have kids.
Like we had to like, yeah, I think,
I don't have a lot of like free, I was talking.
Actually, I just dropped off the M three at B line yesterday
and I was talking to Ryan and we were kind of laughing about
the days when you would be like, what are you doing this weekend?
I don't know.
You want to go to the junkyard?
I saw that there's a car that has some parts I need.
Yeah.
Let's go to the junkyard and you spend like six hours at the junkyard.
I know, right?
Like I was thinking about a time where I had to buy a part for
my V 70 R wagon up in Santa Rosa.
And I spent like an entire day doing that.
I, you know, it's like a three hour drive from here or whatever,
two and a half.
And then you, you know,
have to drive out to some random person's house in the middle of nowhere
and deal with all this drive all the way home.
I mean, like I would never do that now.
Like I would either have it shipped from eBay or something.
I just, the days of like going and that 337 GTI,
like in the old days,
if I was really looking for that car and I had money in my hand,
I would have like gone after work and driven to Sacramento and met this
person at eight PM and been like, yeah, let's, let's do it.
Like get a friend and all this stuff.
Those missions are so rare now.
Like I can't even, I just, yeah, it just basically comes and goes.
I'm like, well, another car gone.
Oh, yeah, I know, right?
Like, yeah, yeah.
Or somebody I know that is selling a car and is making me an offer
and hands me the keys.
Like then I'm like, oh yeah, I guess I'll buy it, you know,
but man in the old days, like a three hour drive to go look at a car was like
not a big deal at all.
But I do miss me a good old junkyard situation.
Like it was, it was fun to just, yeah,
especially like if you have the car that's got like four things on it,
you're stoked, right?
It's like, oh, you got the trim here and then like the digital clock and
whatever.
Well, Ryan was talking about it.
We have a mutual friend and they would get like three dudes and go to three
different junkyards and take all the parts off of all the cars that they
needed.
And then you do like this one big, you know,
full day loop of three pick and pulls and get everything you can fit in
the truck and come home and just, yeah,
doesn't get some tacos, couple laughs, couple of chuckles.
Maybe maybe have a fade because you're in Oakland.
Maybe a fade.
Also, there's that day at pick and pull.
They say like anything you can carry is like 50 bucks or, you know,
have you seen those videos of some dude carrying like a bed, like a truck,
like a whole frame, like car frame, got straps and stuff.
Like, dude, what is happening, dude?
Angry Bird GTI says, thanks to the kind words last podcast and the
insanely fun rally.
Anyways, how many miles for a shakedown after project do you think is
proper?
I've heard one 2550 and 125 as intervals discuss gives a little
shock at the end.
I think it depends on the project.
What are we doing here?
Are we replacing a motor?
We're putting wheels on like what's totally.
I mean, it depends on, on, on whether you're doing a completely
new swap that's been done like 10 times across the country and like
there's all sorts of ancillary shit that's going to go wrong.
So I did two rallies on my E 30 before it ran perfectly and had no issues.
So that's like the first time you ran it.
Oh, but the first time you ran it, it was basically like the 25 mile rule here.
Yeah, I got exactly up immediately.
And then, and then I added another 800 and still had multiple things.
So yeah, like that situation, I think you need like a thousand miles because
it's everything, right?
Like it's very comprehensive versus as you're describing.
It's like, okay, like transmission swap or, you know, I don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's all relative, but I don't think after like a hundred miles of heat
cycles and shifting and, you know, getting things hot and cold, I think
that's probably pretty good.
I don't know.
It depends on what kind of car and all that stuff.
Well, I think he's in the mindset of like finding like a bar and find how they did,
right?
And then reviving it, which was like that they literally had a car that had been sitting
for 15 years or whatever it was.
And then they had crazy.
And so they did all a lot of stuff, right?
And now that it's over has to be the most surprising survival story of the rally.
It's pretty wild.
An old ass Mitsubishi driving from Phoenix all the way to, you know, Central California
doing how we're running miles we did of, you know, rough roads and extreme situations
and then driving all the way back to Phoenix.
And the thing fricking made it is, I mean, you could have easily told me that it broke
down in Barstow and they didn't make the rally.
I would have been like, yep, that sounds about right.
You know, but it did it.
I didn't want to jinx them during the rally, by the way.
So I never, I never mentioned it, but I think you also like they were savvy, right?
Like they did all the stuff that like, okay, feel punk.
I know, but just old stuff that you don't even touch.
It's going to be more.
Yeah, just hoses or rubber or something.
Maybe yeah, but I mean, I think they went through the they did all the like they tried,
right?
Like and then they had turbo failure and leaks and that's where I feel like with a car like
that, like it's more like more than more often than not it's going to be leaks or like
sensor failures or like relays and shit like that.
And so it's not like super catastrophic.
It's more like anticipating that stuff and then also just making sure that everything
else is dialed.
But yeah, I mean, it's it just kind of especially a turbo early turbo car like that.
It is impressive.
It's impressive.
Yeah.
Crazy shout out to chef Malone, of course, for replacing an engine days before the rally
don't want to leave him out of the conversation.
But he was also much closer to home and the car wasn't.
Well, much closer to home.
It's also so okay.
So not Nate says, what's the consensus on what year Mercedes quality took a dip looking
at Mercedes around 2003 CLK E 55, etc.
My 100 mile round trip commute with my NC Miata in Detroit is becoming gnarly.
Just now becoming what don't do that.
That sounds horrible.
That's a way to like basically hate of Miata.
If you have one, I mean it's like it's by the way, if you have not been to Detroit, it
is a wide super wide flat straight roads.
It's like a grid straight upgrade with crazy potholes with horrible road surface.
Yeah.
So it's like not Miata territory at all.
I think nothing about it.
You might be better suited for this thing because you've dealt with these cars and you
saw them at the shop and stuff.
So I don't know.
Yeah.
Oh, three is right.
Yeah.
Quality wise, like there's different takes on this.
I would say like after the W126's and stuff, that feels like a shift from like a very analog
old car, very solid bank vault, traditional Mercedes to like a little bit more electronic
controls and like HVAC and vacuum assisted stuff that got a little weird.
And then you get into like E 55 stuff, the 210s, but he's looking at 2003, which I think
is a good place to be.
And I always talk about like those, those taxicabs in Turkey and Germany and stuff like their
W211s that are V six, you know, rear wheel drive E class, very comfortable, very safe,
modern enough, and they go like a million miles still, like there's guys out there with
700,000 miles on a car that looks pretty good.
So I'd say that's pretty good.
That's good quality.
Right.
Like we're still in good quality zone.
Well, yeah.
I mean, there's quality in terms of drivetrain, but then there's also interior materials
and like how the wear and tear piece, right?
Like I'm not sure.
I've heard that, you know, like basically Camisa hates the, what is, well, I don't know
what the chassis code is, but what is the E 55 wagon that we like that we got here?
The first one.
Oh, 211 is the first.
What's, what's the last year of that?
Oh, five or six, something like that.
Okay.
So then the one after that, he was saying that they're actually, they went down dramatically.
Like he was talking about rust issues, like shit that never existed before.
And then also materials like just really cheap, like, you know, soft touch stuff and
that peeled and that broke.
And so totally, but I haven't experienced it myself.
That's what I hear.
So, but it sounds like you think that's what I'm saying.
It's like two 11's and older are still pretty solid.
Um, and then it goes into like a much cheaper feel.
I've seen some really good ones, even on Craigslist, like under a 100000
miles, 75,000 miles for a V six E class and really good condition.
And that's a car that I would commute with no problem.
And I think what you, you've hit an important point there.
The less complex, the better, right?
You're talking about rural drive or not.
Not all will drive.
You're talking about no turbos.
Cause if you start getting into turbos in those cars, then it's really, it's a
whole other thing.
So like the E 55 was super charged and it has air suspension.
Like, do you need that in Michigan?
I don't know.
Maybe.
Um, but yeah, like the 500 formatic is one to avoid, but like a V six
rear wheel drive, but with all like the nice features like my wagon had.
So, you know, ventilated seats and all the good stereo and all that stuff.
Like, yeah, it's a pretty comfortable place to be.
And those cars are so cheap.
I mean, for like six grand, you can get like a really nice car and that'll go a
long time and you don't have to worry about it.
And I don't know what about the S class of the era?
Is that something that's I love them?
It's like one of those things like when they're good, they're good.
And otherwise they're just going to nickel and diamond to death.
But if the right one came along, I would consider it for sure.
I mean, Tom are my buddies said freaking three of them and he loves them,
but he also is the kind of guy that'll like drop it off the shop and they're
like, okay, it'll be eight grand.
He's like, yep, sounds good.
You know what?
I mean, my mind immediately starts to think like LS 430 over any of this stuff.
You know, just like because it's like you're also and now you're talking about
a Toyota that's got nicer materials that's very well made.
And that's kind of the last of those two, right?
Like, and that's mid 2000s, whatever that was.
And I feel like there's always a good one for sale and bring a trailer.
Those are really nice and they hold their value pretty well too.
Like the long-term effect matters, but just I think also in terms of cost,
maybe there's an angle there from like all the componentry and shit.
Like it's maybe not as expensive as a Mercedes, but I don't know.
Look for a really nice E-Class v6 with all the stuff and they're out there.
That's what I would say.
A hundred mile commute.
Wow.
In a Miata.
Come on.
Well, I guess Lane's was pretty beefy.
What was your commute from the one that you did at MA Carbon?
This was a hundred.
Yeah.
Every time I talked to Larry Webster, he's like, the roads are so bad.
He has to drive like a hundred, you know, 200 miles to go on a good road.
They go to like Ohio, right?
Somewhere.
Yeah.
They go like Northern Ohio because he's, yeah, he's an Ann Arbor and just complains about
all the time.
Let's see here.
Air-cooled everything says what's somewhat new car built in the last 10 years or so
provides the best impression of driving an older car.
This could be a single attribute or overall experience.
What positive attributes experiences do you miss the most from older cars
when driving modern ones?
Thanks again for a great rally.
You are so welcome.
I was thinking about this question earlier because we, our colleague Logan has the final
Econoline van produced.
So what is that?
I got to look it up, but it wasn't that long ago before they switched to a transit.
So I think that's it within the last 10 years.
For sure.
I would say it's probably even like eight years ago.
Yeah.
Anyway, it feels so old.
I mean, it's a clunky, rattly, rattly and driving experience, all that stuff.
It's so like clunky and they just didn't really change them or refine them early,
which, you know, to their credit, it's very utilitarian.
Super utilitarian.
Those are the kind of cars where like this can't be a 2016 or whatever.
Like there's no way.
And then another buddy just bought a 95.
It's a G 50 Chevy van.
So this is like the classic group home van.
Look it up 1995.
No offense to group homes, but that's just what we're in our area.
G 20, I think is what it is actually.
And if you guys look at this up and you, this is a 1995, they were still making this stupid ass van.
They are, they drive so bad.
And yes, they're utilitarian and have power and conto and all that stuff,
but they are just like old fashioned car in 1995.
I mean, I don't know.
One of my neighbors had one of these.
It was like a Starcraft conversion or something.
And we thought it was super baller.
It had a CRT TV in it.
And yeah, that's the one you want, right?
But like in 95, that was the last of that year, I think.
Oh, no, it was a switch over.
The van. Sorry.
I just looked it up.
Yeah, it's not a Starcraft or maybe it was Starcraft.
I don't know.
Anyways, then I switched to the switch to the Savannah and they're a bit of a step up.
I got you those.
So I looked this up a conoline just as we know it pretty much identical.
2020 was the last year they made them do.
Yeah, 2020.
And that's what his is.
His is a 2020 long, long wheelbase or just it's a 15 passenger van that he took out
the last like three rows of seats and made it into like a surf, surf mobile.
And I think it's great for that.
And I always like kind of look at them as a good, like camping option and stuff,
but they drive so poorly compared, especially compared to transit or a sprinter.
It's like almost not, you can't even compare the two.
So anyways, that's one of those cars.
It's the 2020 and it feels like it might as well be like in 1986.
Well, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I was thinking, yeah, this question I was thinking, but that is a,
it's a good answer because it's very archaic and it's very recent, right?
But I was thinking more like, like the stuff that we appreciate in a modern car
that's vintage, that's in a modern car, right?
Like attributes like then a pillars, you know, simplicity of interior minimal screens,
manual transmission, you know, like those things.
So like the first thing that comes to mind is yeah, the Miata stands out as well.
Small, lightweight, simple.
I mean, on that same tip, I will say that our Mazda CX-50 is a very like traditional car
in a world of weird, like gadgetry.
It's kind of like, doesn't have any of that.
I mean, even, you know, non-CVT transmission, a regular shifter, no auto start, stop start.
Yeah, it just feels like a kind of an older feeling car, but it's like very well put together.
So I appreciate that.
Like that's what I want.
I think we were talking about earlier when they're saying like outdated tech is like a negative
and like, well, that's, that's what I'm looking for.
Give me, give me the outdated stuff.
But yeah, they've changed.
I want to have a big screen.
Yeah, no, it's definitely a thing.
And I know that that's one of the main reasons that, oh, that was a big driving factor for you guys, right?
Like you wanted that simplicity.
I think that, yeah, it's a back what Lane's saying.
The G80 is probably the closest modern like performance, like real.
I mean, obviously BRZ and the outer sports cars, but like as a, as a proper like sports car, I felt the same way.
And it's, it just, they captured a lot of that old school, Emnes and, and it's everywhere.
You know, it's a great driving car, but it also feels old school in that way.
Right.
It's like that.
It's got that analogness, that rawness, that connectedness.
And they don't filter it out and they don't over, they didn't over spring it.
So like when you go into a CS, it feels all super hyper digital again.
And the car is doing, and the chassis is doing all this weird shit with like electronic, you know, power distribution.
And this, it's ultra, ultra staff.
And then they had the DCT, the one that we had.
Yeah.
So I was not into that car at all.
Whereas like the standard manual base car was fantastic.
The only thing I could improve would be the steering feel.
It was a num, but otherwise, I mean, it was, it was great.
I thought it was an awesome car.
The inter, also the, not the rack speed, but just like the sensations.
I did it feel naturally, you know, new car stuff with E pass, but I think that's the only thing.
Otherwise, yeah, that's a very, very good one.
I don't know if I can maybe, I was thinking maybe like C, C seven Corvette.
Is that 10 years ago?
That's right about there.
Those also drive pretty well.
They drive great and they're, they're very, they feel old school
and they don't have a ton of tech either.
And they're just classic Corvette, you know, like just very low, huge tires,
that simple as suspension, a lot of power, they sound rowdy.
And they drive really well on the right surface, you know, on smoother roads.
So I feel like that's another one where that takes a lot of those boxes,
that old school kind of vibe.
You know what another car that I think if you went 10 years ago is a Range Rover,
which still has like low sills, a lot of switch gear, pretty like traditional interior feel.
Which one's that?
They drive pretty smooth.
I don't know.
That's a, that's kind of like a car that they should just keep making, you know,
like it's like a G wagon.
They should have just kept that as like the Range Rover classic.
And then they could do this new fangled fricking, you know, hybrid.
Oh, or even like, what is it?
I don't know.
I'm looking it up right now because I don't remember the code,
but is it the FJ 70?
The ones that they do in like South America that look like a 1984 Toyota Land Cruiser,
but they're all, but they're brand new and they have slightly updated interior.
So rad.
I love that stuff.
Yeah.
SF production.
Gabe says, imagine that your car is a living animal that you ride rather than an inanimate
object that you drive.
What kind of animal is your car?
Let's see here.
A banana.
One's is a banana.
That's not an animal, sir.
Banana slug, but that's too slow.
I was going to say a porpoise because it's like spelt and kind of it's agile,
but you know, is he a composed?
I can ride it.
It's, it's a, yeah, it can do a lot, but it's not flashy.
Porpoise.
I said that on purpose.
I think the porpoise, does the porpoise have a dorsal fin or they smooth?
I know there's some that don't have a dorsal fin, which are kind of funky looking.
Oh yeah.
Those are the sleep of the Jera dogs, sleek dogs.
Yeah.
Mine's really obvious to me and it's a border collie.
It's like, it's like very like agile and like kind of like a little high strong, high
strong, high strong agile, but like very precise also.
Like, um, so it's like ready to, it's kind of like the eager puppy thing we talked
about, right?
Like it's ready to do whatever you want.
All right.
What are we doing?
Slow down.
Are we going to go?
Are we going to go bad?
You know, like it's just like ready to roll.
Hard to get it off the line.
You know, it's got to give it a little red, but then once it's going, it's fucking all
over the place.
And that's right.
Lane has a real Matt Chewer says, when running a rear seat delete and half cage
combo in your car, would you prefer to leave the rear interior bare metal race car
spec or cover with some sort of soft material like cloth, Alcantara leather,
et cetera, GT three club sports spec leather, leather floor.
Dude, no, but I do love this question because if I was in college, which I did
many times, I used to just rip everything out, fuck it, air conditioning, all of
it, you know, and it was metal on the back.
So stupid, but now it's like, no, I want the exact opposite.
Absolutely.
I want to dynamite it and then finish it with like a thin carpet, you know, make
it really like some hooks to like put your gear in and like use it.
You want to be able to use it.
Otherwise anyone that looks in there just looks unfinished and it's like tinny as
hell in there and loud.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, I could see that and it's impossible to make it look good bare metal
unless you're painting it, which even then it's really hard.
That is awful work.
Like you have to strip all the tar and like, yeah, it's pain in the ass.
So that's a easy one.
Bobby Reed with the cars says, thanks for a great camping rally experience.
We ended the rally with two squirrels on the stat sheet, completely unintentional.
I hope so.
Anyone else rack up any wildlife incidents?
I, yeah, they had one where they hit a squirrel and it like took out its rear
legs and the guy, poor guy was crawling lieutenant Dan style off the road.
That's awful.
You got to put it out.
I was behind it.
We see that.
That's so sad.
I had a few, I had killed a squirrel and then I had a bunch that would run out, be
under the car and then run back and I'm like, how did you do that?
You're the dumbest animal, but also the coolest animal for doing that.
And then the turkey, we missed a turkey by inches and that's true.
Yeah.
I'm still not sure what would happen.
I'm not sure if we would have like broken the windshield or nothing big, big turkey.
I mean, they're 30 pounds or whatever, or maybe those are like the plumped up.
Well, you know, was it frozen or was it just?
But if you're talking about turkey, just the meat is 30 pounds, 20 pounds.
Like this is a lot of stuff going on.
Got a gizzard and a claw.
Anyways, how about you guys?
Oh, I know arts.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
So I got two birds, one stone, one.
So one of them was like a little Robin that flew really low in front of the car and
just, you know, I'm like, all right, of course it's going to keep going, but then
it did what you're describing and it fucking turned around right in front of the car.
And so smackers and air dam just feather explosion.
And then I'd say about three miles down the road.
I think it was a pigeon.
It was a it was a couple of them and just right in front of my windshield,
just like swoop down directly in the center of the windshield explosion,
all different kinds of fluids, different colors, feathers and pretty gross.
And then Paolo was behind me and his girlfriend said that they got hit with
parts of it. So it was like body parts.
It was like like a leg and a head and pretty gruesome.
That one was really nasty.
And then at least a couple squirrels for sure.
I don't know how many, but there was definitely a couple for a second there
when I was behind the tar, the the arena red 993
we to the regroup.
Last day he hit like seven.
I mean, like it was like ridiculous.
Yeah.
And I was like, you should say that this it's spring and these are ground
squirrels that live in little like burrows right on the edge of the road
and they're constantly just like cruising out.
I don't even know what they're doing really.
I feel like they probably sense the car rumbling up right and they come out and
they're like what is happening and then they like jump out on the road and
I think it's all based on.
I think it's all based on dares inside the burrow.
I dare you to get under the car and then run back.
Can you go through the car as it's driving by 80 maybe?
Yeah.
So ground squirrels they're everywhere.
They're definitely like a pest as far as I can tell.
I mean, it's all circle life stuff like the hawks are stoked when we run them
over the vultures and whatnot.
They come right down and by the way, did you guys on like over the vineyard
roads without getting too specific?
A couple carcasses like there was like one that was like a probably a goat
like down to bones.
Did you guys see that one?
Oh wait.
You guys did the coastal route.
Oh wild goat.
Nice.
That's cool.
You don't think it was a deer.
That's weird.
I mean deer.
I mean goat size and then there was another one that was definitely a fox that
was half eaten like the vulture just took it down.
Dang dude.
I know.
Pretty.
All right.
Last question.
Michelin PS5 star restaurant says when lamenting over the fact that there were
never that we never got the six cylinder turbo BMW three series wagons here in the
US, I came across the first gen X one X drive 35 I based on the E 91 wagon lifted a bit
and 55 and hydraulic steering ZF six only though and not the ZF eight no manual option.
Later X ones were based on the front wheel drive mini.
Do you think these are currently under appreciated?
I think it'd be a good, a good on a road rally.
No X one.
Yeah.
So we, in my old shop days, we worked on this model quite a bit and they were terrible.
They just, they had so many issues, mainly electronic like coil failures and body control
modules and trying to think of all this stuff like everything electronic failed.
So I don't know.
I guess you could go through one and make it right.
I never liked the way they look.
That's right off the bat.
I really don't like that.
They look like elongated.
It's like a bang.
They're like that side, but not enough and like the proportions are like the droopy side
kind of like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just couldn't ever get past that.
So there was a non starter for me.
It's kind of like the GLK Mercedes.
I just hate the way they look.
I just, yeah, I agree.
But I mean what, yeah, I would not bother why even consider that as a rally car.
Why not?
Or I mean, there's so many other options I'd consider before that, but even E 91 wagon
start there, right?
Like that's, I mean, I'm also anti-turbo.
Like I don't want, if I'm looking for a three series wagon, I would avoid the turbo
at all.
If all possible, I'll tell you this as an alternative to this, even though it's not
something I would care to take on a rally at all.
I, we had, we bought a 2016 X1 brand new and had it for like four years and it was an awesome
car.
Like it actually drove really well.
I, it was awesome.
It was what he's describing as the mini based, but I was really impressed.
It actually drove really well and because of the eight speed, it had the turbo four
cylinder.
It was pretty quick.
Like it would actually shift pretty quickly and it was very smooth.
The worst thing about that car was actually not the way it drove, not the way it rode,
and it looks really cool.
I think it's like a much better design is that that motor, the B 58 is super rattly.
It's like this, it had like this rattly direct injection four sound that was really gross
and terrible.
The many is there sound the same.
It sounded shitty, but like it was actually like totally trouble free except for the,
the shade for the panoramic roof fell out of the track.
That's the only problem we ever had with the car and it required removing not only the
entire interior, but like, you know, whatever amount of labor and I remember it was under
warranty, so it was like a 7000 dollar repair, but and then at the bottom,
it's at zero because it was covered under warranty.
Like that.
Yeah.
All of it.
They pulled the all the headliner, the fucking all of the pillar shit, the carpet, the seats,
like everything because it's all stupid.
Just make it serviceable.
You dumb fucks.
So gnarly.
Dude.
The most basic thing.
Yeah.
And all of them did.
It wasn't just a BMW thing.
Like the Volkswagen's did the same thing.
Audi's like that stupid ass thing was non serviceable unless you did all that work.
And yeah, they're all going to fail eventually.
So yeah,
I've tried to avoid a roof on anything when possible.
Same.
Absolutely.
All right.
That's it for questions.
Jump right into trivia, I believe.
I do have,
I do have one note that I wanted to throw in here.
I mentioned that going on a little rip.
So I have the Redstone sprint pluses, which I not,
I didn't talk about my experience with them on the rally this time.
I did talk about them the first time,
but I've gone way more acquainted with them now and like driven them, you know,
a lot in all sorts of environments at different speeds and everything.
And I'm super stoked on them because not only do they ride really well,
like by which I didn't mention last time you do get some sidewall into there.
They look awesome.
They're like retro.
It's right.
So they have a great little rounded sidewall and shoulder that fits, you know,
you know, Radwater cars really well.
The tread is super simple.
It's not like over stylized, but the grip level is like adequate.
It's not the most, it's not the most grippy thing out there,
but like it keeps you smooth, which I really enjoy.
And that's like the one thing I wanted to highlight is that you have plenty of grip,
but it's, you know, it's yes, not our compass, not 200 tread or whatever,
but like you, you keep it within that limit.
And if you're smooth, it makes, it makes you drive better ultimately, right?
Cause you don't, you can't overdrive them cause then you slip, right?
So like you lose traction and it's, you know, that's, and that's a good thing.
I think it's like, it's a really good tire that is plenty fast, but like I was
talking to Matt, bunch of, bunch of about it.
And he's like, Oh dude, slow tire fast.
I'm like, I thought that was so perfect.
But it's like, and it's, it's not that it's, it's plenty quick and it's, you know,
in a sense, but I really am enjoying them as a package.
Like I think they're so perfect for this car, especially to like for what it is.
Yeah, they work.
They look so right.
Yeah.
All of it.
And the ride quality, you're not giving up anything there.
The V 700s that I had there, or the, I think it was V 70 ones.
They were kumos before I had a 0 five twos, but they're a 200,
trying to retire, but like the, it was like driving on rocks, dude.
The sidewalls are so fucking stiff and like they didn't look right.
Everything like, it is such a drastic improvement for the car.
And I'm really stoked on them.
So I wanted to throw that out there.
They make them in quite a few sizes now, but I have them in two 15,
50, 15, which is like, again, going back to that look, it's correct.
And I'm, I'm really happy with them.
I have them on a 15 by eight and they, they look perfect on there.
You could probably go down to about a seven and a half and still be fine,
but, or if you want to go warren style, go even narrower and then get them
while chunky, chunky sidewalls.
For beefy boys.
Yeah.
That's cool.
I like the way they look on your car a lot.
And I still think you could do better on the wheels, but no,
it looks really good.
Dude, I love my wheels.
I got so many props on the rally on the wheel tire car package.
Like they're like, that's right.
Cause we went by that school for the blind and hey man, Braille work.
Braille, you're saying that people that read Braille don't have a,
what do you call it?
They don't, they're mad.
There's a call there.
No, they're not, they're not offensive.
It doesn't matter.
They're not offensive at all.
I just, you know, I know what you're trying to do.
The, you know, Japanese tie in and all that, but I think, yeah,
that's, that is the, the, the thing, but it's also like,
I genuinely really liked them aesthetically.
I think they look really cool.
And in addition to the fact that it's like an ode to the thing.
And Mike, Mike mentioned it in his words, I really like what he said.
I thought it was really funny.
So this is Mike, me a sandwich who heads up a motoring club in San Francisco.
Oh yeah.
E 30 on baby T E's goes so hard.
Warren.
Okay.
First of all, we're not, we're not using that to edit that out.
It's kind of short of saying that they slap, you know?
Yeah.
Well, if you like that sort of thing, go for it.
No cap.
No cap.
No cap.
Well, I was also wrong with, we did a poll for your tinted tail lights and
somehow people like those too.
So I'm just old.
Yeah.
Am I exhausted?
Am I exhausted?
You, you, you were trying to.
I was, I was fine with, I mean, well, we did like an Instagram poll when
they were first put on and which, you know, these are just children out there
responding.
It was, it was like, yeah, 70 30 in favor, in favor, which is, you know, I
don't know what's going on in the world anymore.
It's pretty sick.
Yeah.
It's on a roll.
Start.
Start tax.
No.
Start tax is the phone.
Start tax.
Yeah.
Dude, I'm so, I'm so amped on them because I even have the original
boxes from like the, from 1989 and, and the font is so sick on them.
I don't think I posted the box.
I should, I should throw that.
Please.
I always felt like something was missing in this.
The packaging at the end.
And even, you know what's really funny is it came with instructions.
Like I, I, it was a little fold out pamphlet and I'm like, dude, like
literally just to remove or, yeah, for the most basic thing.
Oh, I didn't even mention this.
I, my brother-in-law helped me build a truck bed platform for my
tundra.
I'll have to send you guys some pictures.
I'm so stoked on it.
They basically don't support this, the old tenders anymore with all
these like new bed manufacturers and stuff.
So it's just like a plywood removable bed that all like joins together.
It's super cool.
I'm pumped on it.
So anyways, little side note, not a big deal.
So rather than like sleeping between the wheel wells, it's above
the wheel wells as like a platform, but it's only like six inches tall.
So it doesn't like, you still have some room in there, but yeah,
I'll send it, send some pics.
It was so much harder than you would think.
Oh my God.
No, it's all, it all just sort of slots in together.
It's cool.
It's super cool.
It took a long time.
We had like, he's really, he's an amazing builder.
And we were, he was on Sketchup and doing some like CAD stuff.
And we were like working through it.
And we had some really complex shit that we were trying to figure out.
And I'm like, dude, let's just make it easy.
So it's kind of what we did, but it was still like a lot of work.
But anyways, all right, trivia time.
It's trivia time everybody.
Recently it was reported that the Tesla Cybertruck was recalled for what issue?
Oh, please tell me it was the fucking electronic steering.
Drive by wire.
We didn't even talk about the breaking by wire.
That's going in.
I did see that steer by wires.
It's called.
Yeah, but what's cars using the breaking by wire?
The brimbo system?
I thought they were just announced that it was happening,
but I didn't like it just possible.
Yeah, I didn't know that they were actually it's a car that's doing it.
No, thank you.
Yeah.
So Tesla recalled 173 Cybertrucks because that's not that many.
I know, which is funny.
They must have been some manufacturing because they're rusting with that.
They're just disintegrating.
Just imagine it like surface rust on the stainless, right?
Right.
No, because the wheels can literally fall off.
That's cool.
The brake rotor cracks and causes I guess, I don't know, dude,
it says the recall cover cyber trucks fitted with 18 inch steel wheels.
The problem is straightforward as it's alarming and surreal.
Rough roads and hard cornering can crack the stud holes in the brake rotor,
causing the wheel stud to separate from the hub and the wheels just fall off
the truck as you're driving.
Heavy, heavy car.
Very heavy car.
A lot of weight.
Dude, so I, I don't know.
You probably know this one since you follow comedy,
but I don't remember who the comedian was is just one of those things that
popped up in my feet.
And it was, it was a Cybertruck thing.
And he's like, you know, like, has there ever been another car where you just
immediately hate the person?
Like, and like, like you just want to like just flip them off as soon as they
get out of the car.
Like why?
Like it's just that, that sort of like, you know, sentiment.
And, and he was talking about, or he like said how when it's in Sentinel mode,
the, his friend who owns it apparently like says that on average he gets five
like birds, people flipping the bird to the Sentinel cameras a day,
just like as it's parked, like just fuck this car.
Like not even like the owner, you know.
Well, dude, I know a guy who's like a, he's not really a Tesla loyalist,
but he's like an electric car guy that always gets the most expense.
He's had a lucid.
He's had a plaid and then he got a Cybertruck.
And he's like, I just wanted to try it.
And he's not a car guy per se, but he got the, it got keyed.
It got something thrown at it.
And, you know, all the things you're mentioning.
And then he got, he traded it in and got a new Silverado electric, the EV,
like the nice one, the GMC Sierra electric.
So it's like, they're kind of cool looking and the interiors are so much nicer.
And they kind of just blend in and he's like, no one even notices it.
Like no one, it's great.
And it's like a nicer car overall.
I mean, that's the thing with the Cybertruck, right?
You want that if you're trying to be this fucking like ostentatious,
like flashy fucking weirdo.
And like that's, that's what that car is, right?
So it's the exact opposite of a Silverado.
Yeah.
He was stoked on it.
So I was, I was like quietly, you know, cause I don't want to be like,
why the fuck do you have the Cybertruck?
They're just like, oh, those Silverados are really nice.
Like you, you should check those out.
Like that's, that's what I would get if I was, you know, trying to replace this
and he was like super stoked on it.
So sweet.
Anyhow.
All right.
This podcast, thanks for listening.
You guys are awesome.
We'll see you next time.
Okay.
Okay.
Bye-bye.
Yeah.
About this episode
Tire talk kicks off with a practical lament: the Yokohama A008s they liked aren’t available in 13-inch sizes anymore, so they point listeners toward Michelin PE2s. They get into tread personality—knobby ice-tire blocks with molded words, a “ramen tire” pattern, and even a squared-off S look—plus fitment constraints and asymmetrical tread ideas. The conversation then widens into driving feel and ownership stories, from gloves and coastal fog to break-in after projects and long-commute comfort.
