TSLA earnings madness, Rivian layoffs, Ford pauses F-150 Lightning, more

And we are live on the episode of The Electric Podcast. I am Fred Lambert, your host, and as

usual, I am joined by Seth Wynchal. How are you doing, Seth?

I'm good.

All right. We have a ton to talk about this week, because it was the Tesla earnings week,

so it always comes with a lot of news that comes out of, you know, the earnings report

itself or the conference call that followed. And we have plenty of news to talk about

here when it comes to that. And then we have Seth went to a little GM event this week, and

there was an interesting announcement about, I guess it's level three autonomy that they announced.

They don't call it level three, but that's what it is.

It sounds like it. Yeah, yeah. Then we have Rivian layoffs we want to talk about, and then

two vehicle programs that were, you know, sort of kill this week, or at least pause,

and that's the F-150 lightning and the bright drop electric van. So two big bummers that we're

going to have to discuss later on the show. We're going to have time to talk to you guys. So if

you guys have any question for us, you can put it in the comment section. I'm going to remind

you about it a little bit later on the show once the more people are coming in.

All right. Let's talk about the earnings a little bit. So quick numbers, expectation were

26.5 billion in revenue, 55 cents per share. Tesla came in a higher in revenue at 28 billion,

but lower in earnings at 50 cents per share. And yeah, it's indicative of a company that is not

really growing anymore. Like we anticipated the record revenue. We anticipated actually how much

higher earnings. I was closer to like 70 cents per share that I was expecting. So way below

what I was expecting. We already discussed it a bunch of time. The higher revenue is due to the

demand being pulled forward in the US due to the tax credit going away that gave us the

giant boost. But even with this giant boost, this couldn't grow, it couldn't grow its earnings

despite that and despite lower capital expenditure too. So that's the thing. I mean,

when I was at this level, that's the thing I was always like hammering on. I was like,

yeah, Tesla is not making any money. Or at the end of my bull run that Tesla investor,

it was like, they're not making that much money. But that's because they're reinvesting a lot of

it in their future growth. Capital expenditure was high for a company of that time that size.

Now it's not even the case anymore. Like the capital expenditure is down 36% quarter

over quarter. And especially for a company that Elon claims is like a AI company now.

And I don't know if you've been following all these other AI companies, capital expenditure,

but they are through the roof, like investing. Yeah, bananas and data centers and the same

thing. You don't see that. To be fair, they did invest heavily last year and a year before

that. And I heard this a little bit in data centers, but not so much anymore. And not so

much in their vehicle program, not so much on new production capacity. So yeah,

capital expenditure is way down and still the net income is also down on top of it. So

$28 billion in revenue, $3.4 billion in auto rating expenses. So $1.6 billion in income

from operation. So that's 40% down. I just said EBITDA is also down 9%.

Net income attributable to shareholders is down 37% gap, 29 non-gap. So that plus the

capitalist capital expenditure is way down. It has all the signs of a company that is simply

not growing anymore. That's where it is. Like you had the last like good quarter of a big boost

because of that higher revenue. Thanks to the tax credit going away. But that's about it.

Tesla disclosed in the earnings report that they lost $1.4 billion in regulatory credits.

So that's not like this quarter, like this quarter, I think they had like 400 something

million in regulatory credits compared to like 700 the same period last year. So it was down a

lot despite record deliveries. So normally more deliveries, more credit, not the case anymore

because of the changes in the US. But they also disclosed that their long-term contracts,

contracts that they had with automakers to buy their credit, $1.4 billion of that was erased

due to the changes with the cafe standard and all that. So yeah, it's not a good look for Tesla

long term. But yeah, they also said a lot of things about I should mention, they still,

you know, it still was a positive core quarter in terms of a free cash flow. So Tesla did

add $4 billion to it. It's rich or recent. Now it's sitting on $41 billion. So Tesla still,

you know, it's not in trouble. Anything like that is just not growing anymore.

Their profits are going down. Yeah, there was a few things that were mentioned in the

in the conference call that were, we thought were newsworthy. So first of all, production

increase. So Elon is talking about actually increasing Tesla's production capacity, which is

interesting because demand has been down. Tesla's capacity production capacity is currently at

about a 60% utilization rate. So that's a problem. And we've, you know, we thought Tesla probably

would be opportunities to increase that production with the release of the standard range

vehicles. And that's not standard range. It's standard. They're called standard vehicles.

You know, the strip down Molloy Moll three. But you know, after they were unveiled, we're like,

yes, I don't think so. It's kind of a flop. Like maybe they get a few percentage points higher,

they get to 65, maybe 70% capacity, but they're still going to be way below capacity.

Now, you know, and said that they're actually going to increase production,

but not because of these new models, but because I feel like I'm quoting,

I feel confident in expanding this production. So that is our intent to expand as quickly as we

can our future production. I was reticent to do so until we had clarity on achieving unsupervised

full self-driving. But at this point, I feel where we got clarity and it makes sense to expand

production as fast as we reasonably can. So basically says, now I have clarity on

solving unsupervised self-driving, you know, all the other times that he said that it's

going to happen by the end of the year over the last six years, he wasn't confident,

even though he's on the record saying he was. But now this time he is. So just to be,

to make like a little summary of what he's saying here is like,

he thinks that it's worth increasing production right now, because in the near future,

they're going to solve a product, a feature that he has been historically terrible at predicting

when it's going to be solved. So what can go wrong here? Actually, for consumers, this is,

this is a good thing, I think, because if this increases production right now and expect a higher

demand from FSD, I think, you know, FSD demand has been, oh, that's another data point said

that was interesting in the, in the earnings call of the, the share. The CFO said that

they are at about 12% of the fleet is buying FSD. 12%. Yeah. So the take rate is 12%,

which is, you know, about what we expected. I think, you know, a few years ago, it was

roughly 10%. I'm going to say 2022, 2023 or something. At some point, actually, we got the

data on it and Tesla has been like keeping that close to the chest for a while. But we got it

like a few years ago and we were able to publish it. And it was, you know, eight, 10%. And it varied

greatly, obviously, between regions because the availability of FSD features in North America

is way higher than in Europe. And just now it comes to China and Australia, New Zealand.

So I guess, I guess 12 is low a few years later with all the improvements and with,

you know, more availability in other markets, especially China, you would think,

but at the same time, it's so expensive that I, and, and Tesla sells in China's 10 towards the

lower end of their lineup. So the lower end, the lineup is the higher, the harder it is to sell a

$10,000 feature on a vehicle. You know, I think the take rate on them all S and X for FSD is way

higher, for example. Right. Because of that. So yeah, it's, what could happen here is that

Tesla increases production thinking, Hey, are we going to solve cell driving by the end of the

year? It doesn't do it. And then they're like, all right, we still have to sell those cars. So we're

going to have to do crazy discounts. And I think, I think that's what's going to happen because I

think Tesla still has some hope that they might not hand the year down in total deliveries, which

is not impossible because they did catch up quite a bit thanks to the, the men being pulled forward

in Q3, but they will need like significant discounts. So good news. If you're in a market

for a car by the end of the year, I think you might find yourself with some big discounts

on Tesla vehicles. Time to get them on a Y. Yeah, I'm still leaning more towards model three, but

all right. The trillion dollar package came up a bunch of times in the, in the call. It came

up at the beginning of the call, get on a midway through the call. And at the end, the CFO and

then Elon got on the back of it literally made a call for shoulders to give Elon a trillion

dollars. But Elon kind of, I mean, he didn't change his tune. He's been saying that for a while.

That's not about the money. It's about the control over the company and everything. And,

but this time he phrased it in a more like headline worthy way, where he was like,

I'm about to build an army of over a million robots, and I want control over this army.

And I don't think I have control right now, which something we have repeatedly,

you know, pushed back against that, like, all evidence point to Elon having complete control

over Tesla over the last, you know, two decades, like, you know, especially since

Eberhard interpreting has been halved since that was 2009. And even before that,

because he got his way and he was able to push them out. Like, can you point to a moment in

time that Elon didn't get his way at Tesla, like Tesla didn't do exactly what he wanted to do.

And by that, I mean, especially the board and the shareholders, like I cannot think of a single

moment. But that's his fear. He fears that he called the ISS and Glass Lewis that the two proxy

firms that advise institutional investors, they call them corporate terrorists for recommending

that people vote against the trillion dollar stock package. And there's been some other

development this week about this. I posted an article this week based on a tweet from Elon,

where he, you know, the board already hinted towards that, but now confirmed it that

basically if he doesn't get his way, if he doesn't get his package, he will leave.

And he did that in response to someone who's, you know, was a Tesla shareholder and someone that

appeared bullish on Tesla and Elon that brought up the point that we brought up a bunch of times

before is that there are issues with his competition package where he could get between

20 and 40 billion dollars from the package without Tesla doing much than business as

usual and even growing at a return on investment rate that is lower than the S&P 500. So why would you

and 20 and 40 billion dollars sounds low compared to a trillion dollars, but it would still be the

biggest compensation package ever for a CEO ever. So why would you give that to someone who

delivers below average return? It makes no sense. So they are obvious flaws in the

competition package itself and the person that Elon was responding to when he said he was going to

leave if he doesn't get it simply pointed out that that first trend specifically that

could be easily achieved without significant return to Tesla shareholders. And instead of

just addressing that as like, oh yeah, maybe we should change that because that's

as it seems fair. He was like, who's going to let Tesla because it's not going to be me.

And also I have kind of fired everybody that would be capable of leading Tesla.

Yeah, that's a problem. That's the talent exodus issue that we've been highlighting for a while

and I like that like last week I posted an article on the talent exodus and saying that like

the, what's her name? Robin then home. Tesla's chairwoman was saying that

she keeps seeing these headlines about people leaving Tesla, but she never sees headlines about

people joining Tesla. And I'm like, I'm looking for those headlines every day. Like I'm looking at

people that Tesla hires and there's just no big names, no big people that they secured.

And I'm saying Tesla's still hiring people, but he's mostly hired interns like people right out

of college and then try to build them up from there, which is a strategy that's worthy and

everything, but you cannot expect me to write an article about Tesla hiring a new intern.

And during the earnings call, they basically confirmed my, the thing that I've been saying

that Tesla is losing a lot of top talent and relying mostly on hiring people in interns

and people right out of colleges. And that's what he said. He said we are growing and

wearing a lot of talent and mostly straight out of college. So that's exactly my point I've

been saying. Well, yeah, there's this robot army thing is

who believes that? I'm sure they are like shareholders, but I would like to have a

good poll on people that have been following Tesla for a while. It's like how many people

really believe that Elon, it's not about the money, it's about the control over the future

robot army. It's like you have to be very gullible to believe that. It just so happens they get 30,

40 billion dollars if Tesla just keeps doing like 3% return for the next five, 10 years and

but no, no, it's about the robot army. So do you think, okay, so you make a great point.

They, you know, the trillion dollars is like the big, you know, headline. Everybody's thinking

about that. But that also requires, you know, Tesla to grow like 8x or something, or, you know,

eight, eight trillion dollar company. Maybe the real goal is just, you know, another 50

billion dollars. Like, that's my point. Yeah, that's what that's what I've been saying is

like this, it's the the he doesn't have to complete the package like he does one trench

of it and it's still the biggest deal ever. There's things like if you're really that confident

in what you say and everything like that, I would be on board, I'm not even a shareholder anymore,

but if I was, I would be on board with like, oh yeah, let's give him 50 billion dollars if

he delivers on supervised self-driving and the capability safer than a human driver

proven over let's say a billion miles. Like if you can deliver on supervised

self-driving to consumer vehicle, which you promise for a decade at this point,

and you can do it with proving that it is safer than human driver over, you know,

let's whatever reasonable amount of mileage it is, then yeah, get your 50 billion dollars from

that. That's a trench. That's one trench there get 50 billion dollars and

and that would be it. That would be fair. Like, but why is that not one of the milestones

and like it's not one of the milestones is the only milestone related to this

is a million vehicle subscribed to FSD. Is it is a million or tell me, I don't remember which one,

but subscription to FSD like they are already known. It's probably more than a million

because there's there's already probably close to a million. If it is, it would be sad.

But so yeah, it's you can you can just lower the price of FSD subscription, which should already

be the case. Like, especially our word three subscriptions should be lower than all the word

for like, what is that about? Like, I don't have the same capacity in my order three car

and my friend doesn't as our word for cars. And yet I have to pay the same subscription

price than he does. Makes no sense. Change that that model and everything. Make it like

$50 a month to subscribe FSD, you'll get to 10 million in a few years easy. So

there's no he made it purposely easy milestone to get to like even the million robot thing

milestone, like you couldn't make a million. You could justify making a million robot that

were worth like $50,000 to $100,000 and use them for, you know, repetitive, relatively

simple tasks. And and that would be, you know, wouldn't have a major impact that he's talking

about on the world's economics and, you know, ending poverty, like you keep using these timeline

he called it said he called the optimist. He called it an infinite money glitch.

You know, he literally sounds like the scammers on Dory's expose, like trying to

trying to pass as him to give you like a crypto scam, like a get rich quick scheme.

He sounds like that. It's like going full circle of scamming. But yeah, I like you could

you could deliver something like that. And and then Elon would get another $50 billion

for that, even though it's your your light years away from between making a million

robots that are useful for certain tax that you train them for versus like a generalized

useful robot. It's it's light years away. So yeah, there's a lot of problems like that with

his conventional package. All right, we got an interesting news that came out of the earnings

to Tesla announced that they have a new solar panel in production in the US at Gigafactory

New York in Buffalo. So it was Mike Snyder, Tesla's VP of energy charging said,

we've seen a surge in the resistance to solar dominant in the US due to policy

changes, which we suspect to continue into the first half of 2026 as we introduce a new solar

lease products. So we talked about that a few podcasts ago, that after neglecting its solar

business for years, even stopped reporting deployment because it was so low, Tesla relaunched

solar leasing product earlier this month. And we noted that it was a purely

opportunistic move from Tesla because of the tax credit for residual solar going away

at the end of the year. Just like what happened with electric vehicle in Q3,

it's resulting in a big boost in demand for solar in Q4 in the US, which by the way,

you got to be careful about because I think there's a similar extension that if you get

everything locked in by the end of the year, you're going to you should be firing everything,

but it's not as clear as with electric vehicles. And if you even if you lock in

your order in the next few weeks, like in the next few weeks, maybe you get get an

installation by the end of the year. But from what I'm hearing, like everyone is like,

there's a lot of demand. So it can be it can be rough and 30% tax credit is a big difference,

obviously. So Tesla is trying to take advantage of that. But then he had it,

Snyder added, we also began production of our Tesla residential solar panel in our Buffalo

factory. And we will be shipping that to our customers starting in Q1. So it's not

shipping right now, but Q1. The panel has industry leading aesthetic shape performance

and demonstrate our continued commitment to US manufacturing. So this is this is previous solar

panel, which is an NWA panel. And so I do a little bit of research because, you know, the

Tesla has been talking about manufacturing panels for a while, but they never really

manufactured themselves. And and it passed on like Tesla branded panels that were

manufactured for or from others, again, mainly stock carriers and one. So I looked it up a little

bit and I saw that this did recently change the specs of its panel on its website from 400 405

watts to 410. So maybe this is it or maybe this this is not the new panel just yet because

it's not shipping already. But this this one here, like I did the spec comparison,

it is basically the NWA Q cells, which only a little differential in the framing.

So but the framing is is Tesla. So it's not so it's almost guaranteed that it is the NWA Q cell

panel. I have some doubts here just because the history and I in the article I posted the history

of the Gigafactory in New York is it's it's a wild thing for those that don't remember like

it was announced as a syllable solar panel manufacturing factory in 2013. But then in

2014 solar city bought this level. So it is sort of city financial trouble shortly after

2016 Tesla buy a solar city. And then Tesla says it's going to manufacture the solar panels as

expected. But then pivots to doing a deal with Panasonic Panasonic manufactured the

panels for them there. And then Panasonic pulls out after a few years, Tesla is missing

its target on a thing it's it's job requirements there. So they start to like pivot and they make

solar roof tiles there, which you know, as proven, didn't ramp up production of that

significantly ever. So that didn't go well, they pivot to making supercharger equipment there.

So that that has been the core product that the Gigafactory New York has been producing

for the last few years. They also move a team of autopilot data labeling there. So that helped

them with those two things combined, fulfill the requirement for jobs. But now they are apparently

bringing back solar panel manufacturing out there was also dojo to dojo also end up dying

basically everything that Gigafactory New York touches ends up not going to.

So so yeah, I'm curious to see what's happening exactly there if you if anyone has

information they can reach out to me I would be I'd be curious to know exactly what's going on with

these solar panels from Tesla. Those look a lot different than yeah. Is the frame said that the

frame they make it look like very square ish and everything but it's it's that that was a stand

door in what panel they make it like really look very square with the frames.

And then the other thing that came out of the earnings is that Tesla confirmed that

Semi truck production Tesla Semi production has been delayed into next year.

And I feel a little bit vindicated on this because if you remember this year I have a

report on that saying that Tesla had delayed production into next year and that they had the

dramatic I'm quoting from from a customer here dramatic price increase for the Tesla Semi.

And then then we had our friend Dan priestly the manager of the Tesla Semi program

commented on my article saying that there's no change on schedule and multiple incorrect

conclusion in that report. He didn't specify any of the incorrect conclusion. And I had no

conclusion in the article other than like I mentioned what the customer which was writer

said which was that delays and dramatic price increase. And then I did speculate on what

the price increase could be based on some of the information in the filing that writer had

with the local authorities in California for financing for the Tesla Semi program that they're

running. Anyway, now Dan is singing a completely different tune than what he did on my article

a few months ago. He said that the factory is still in say equipment for production.

So we are in Q4 right now and they're still in installation so you can expect that production

is not going to happen this year. And then he had it that we'll have larger build stores

the end of this year and then our first online bills online bills mean generally let's start

to start a production where you can deliver those equal to customers in the first part of next year

ramping into Q2 timing. So you know in a Q1 Q2 they're not expect to have the

the first production Tesla Semi truck and then volume in the back end of 2026. So in the second

half of 2026. Yeah, I'm still I'm still very hyped about like if there's one program at Tesla

that I'm hyped about it is this a semi I think it could have an impact is just is just we need

to know the pricing because we know the price of increase we know it's not $180,000 for the

500 mile version like it originally was. So how much did it be like I I think it's going

to be closer to 300,000 and it's it's original pricing of 180. But I don't know is it going

to be more than 300,000 it's going to be less than 300,000 if it's 250,000

to 300,000 starts to be high but if it's closer to $250,000 I think I think it's going to be just

fine if it's over $300,000 it's going to start to have a much lesser impact than

than you know the originally talked about because there's also like a lot of the

operational costs and everything that this that originally talked about was based on

like delivering like I know I think it was $0.07 a kilowatt hour or something that they quoted

which which makes no sense these days you know the price of electricity has ramped up quite a bit and

it's still a lot cheaper than a diesel truck to run to an appropriate but it's still like

higher than it was in 2017 when Tesla first introduced the Tesla Semi. Yeah.

And we're almost 10 years from the unveiling of that truck. Yeah, that was same as the roadster.

Yeah, but at least speaking of friends while Austin this week said

or last week on a podcast, he said that he swears that Tesla still plans to unveil

the latest version of the roadster later this year. So we'll see about that maybe at the

maybe at the shareholder meeting we'll see.

Maybe before the shareholder meeting because I mean the latest renders maybe.

I mean he's been talking about like the craziest demo ever so if it's a render it's like

that's not quite crazy. All right Seth then talk a little bit about this event for GM that you

went through this week. Yeah, so GM had an event in New York City, Mary Bara, Royce,

like kind of all the big leagues were there. Sterling Anderson who we know from Tesla and then

Aurora and some other stuff is now one of the chief product officers. So it's interesting to see

his dynamic there. I think he was he of the four people that presented kind of was I feel

like the best presenter like Mary Bara is just you know PR speak you know just looks like an avatar

almost. And he he mentioned some things that were pretty important. There's a 2028 Cadillac

Escalade IQL which is the longer Escalade which is crazy because the regular Escalade

it's already it's pretty pretty crazy. That's gonna have Lidar so like the hump in the front

that like some of the Wolvos have. Radar it's got basically like a full on Waymo

suite of sensors and it's gonna have eyes off super cruise. They're not calling it ultra

cruise anymore. But yeah, I mean, it's happening like they're gonna do it.

It's just gonna be on the Escalade IQL though not on the IQ regular IQ.

That's what they said. I mean, I think they're rolling it out slow.

That would be crazy because in the Peter artwork. So you were there alive and then you send Peter

information in the Peter article is just as IQ, which would make more sense to me as the

I mean, at the same time if you can buy an Escalade IQ might as well buy an IQL.

Yeah, it's I mean, maybe it's they just showed it in the IQL but anyway.

Yeah, you're right. It is an IQL.

Yeah, the what's cool about it. I mean, there's a bunch of new technologies they showed and a lot

of like, let's be honest here, a lot of this stuff was kind of that to cover up the right

drop disappearance and some other, you know, like the bolt being a limited edition or a limited

run, you know, all this other electrification stuff that they're they're they want to keep us

excited about what they're doing rather than just like killing programs of their programs.

Right. Yeah. So the other cool thing about this tech technology, you know, it's got a ton of

sensors, but instead of having your what you're looking at now if you're watching,

instead of having like 16 different modules, you know, all over the inside of a car GM is

like very much central simplified and centralized, all of its computing stuff. So and they're using

like invidia chips and what you would expect. But what's cool is like, this is not

regular super cruise. This is like, you can watch TV super cruise. You can read a book super

cruise. And I asked as I was like, All right, you can watch Netflix, why can't I go to sleep?

And the folks there were just like, we're not doing that. That's that's not this. And I'm like,

All right, so what happens if I do fall asleep? And they were like, it'll, it'll wake you up

and it'll freak out. But, you know, I think we're I think we're that the last stage before

you can actually sleep. This is what is traditionally called level three

autonomy. And GM will not call it that because they're like, you know, that

puts us in a corner a little bit. And we have some things that are better than level three and

worse than level three. But that's what this is. And you know, some, some other journalists asked

about, you know, are you responsible for the speeding ticket? If you get a speeding ticket

or, you know, get into a wreck, I know, you know, Sterling was very hype on the

the idea that they had gotten into zero wrecks and super cruise ever. But GM wouldn't wouldn't

say that they would be responsible if it got into a wreck or speeding ticket. The problem with that

is like, you know, I don't know what Canadian roads are like, but on US roads, like people go 20 miles

per hour over the speed limit all the time. So even if this thing's right at the speed limit,

like right on the speed limit, it's going to be like the slow car in the right lane that

everybody's going to rear end. So here's the thing, I think why they cannot say that

they got to be responsible for the for for the speeding tickets, I think it has to do with

it depends on your setting. Like if you can set super cruise to go over the speed limits,

and it respect your the boundaries that you put in the settings, and then you get a speeding

ticket, but well, it should be on you shouldn't shouldn't be on GM. So, so there is some

some things to work out on that front, I think same things with autopilot, like, you know,

if autopilot as we're tested as these drive too fast, but you put it in a mode that allows it to

drive too fast, then, you know, who's responsible? Well, in the case of Tesla, it's always the

drivers anyway. But you know, if they were to open up, opening up to being responsible,

they would have to to work through that to those things. And though for a wreck, if you're

allowed not to look at the road, then you should be responsible for an accident. Unless

the accident is caused by, you know, speeding and you allowed it to speed. So there's so many

problems with that. Like we haven't just scratched the surface with with self driving stuff when it

comes to that when it comes to specifically self driving vehicles that are owned by by by people

like rather than the taxi services. When it comes to double taxi services, like,

everything is owned by the company that operates it and they're responsible for

everything. So that's simplify things a little bit. But in this case, though,

we can talk about level three and level three generally means

that it needs to be, you don't have to pay attention, but you need to be able to take control

within a reasonable time. So yeah, it makes sense that you cannot fall asleep because like

imagine you need needs to wake you up, however long that takes. And then once you just wake

up, woke up, you just are you in a good state to take control of a vehicle in a potentially,

you know, stressful or dangerous situation. It's not ideal. Well, if you're just like watching

a movie, awake, reading your texts and everything, and then the car tells you be ready to take

control in the next 10 seconds or whatever. That's, that's very doable, especially when you can

shut down your screen or something to like. Yeah, and they're they're trying to build

in a system where that the car can react to the the emergencies and it'll kind of give

you like a two minute countdown. I'm like, and I'm like, if you can give me a two minute

countdown, like, let me go to sleep in the back. I'll wake up in like 10 seconds and be

Yeah, that's fair. If it's a two minute, if that is the reasonable time that they're talking

about, yeah, it's, yeah, that's why I guess they don't want to sit level three, because

it sounds like they can in the other system that's might be closer to level four.

Yeah, a little bit. And they want to be able to, you know, iterate instead of having

one straight thing. Just, you know, things you would expect, none of the cars are going to be

upgradable to this. You want to buy new, they said it's going to be a pretty quick rollout,

like across their lineup. So this will probably be the 2028 model, then like, there'll be five or

six 2029 models that have it. And then it'll be on as many cars as possible, because it's

quite valuable. Yeah, you can see like the LiDAR hump on it. Yeah, it's a big one.

First GM car to have that, I think. Yeah, no, I mean, that's, that's been one of the big

slight again, Tesla for a long time is like, why there's level three is super valuable, like

long distance. If you, if you do like a big trip, a lot of that's going to be on the

highway. And if you can automate most of that. But at the same time, that's,

that's the problem with Tesla is like the, maybe they can't, especially with,

you know, without radar and LiDAR, it's at higher speed. It can be problematic. And

we've seen some tragic accident around that too. So

Tesla prefers selling the dream a level four and five rather than deliver a reality of

little three feels like. Yeah, let's get back up with this. I'm trying. All right.

Rivian announced some layoffs this week. It was announced first, it was going to be a few,

like 600 individual, but then there was a release from RJ's courage to CEO that said it's

going to be about 4% of the workforce roughly 4.5. And let's see, let's see exactly because I

read the news when it originally came out, but not since we have now the official release from RJ.

So let's read it real quick. So a difficult update that with the launch of R2 in front

of us and the need to profitably scale our business, we have made the very difficult

decision to make a number of structural adjustment to our teams. These change

results in the reduction, the size of our team by roughly 4.5%. And sorry, I just

started the massage on my share on purpose. These are not changed that were made lightly

with the changing of operating backdrop. We had to rethink how we are scaling our go to market

function. This use is challenging to hear and the hard work and gumption of the team

members were leaving a Greek depreciated. So some of the areas impacted, they say to provide

a seamless experience to our customers, we are integrating the vehicle operation

work streams into the service organization to create fewer customer end up and clear ownership.

So the vehicle operation or stream and service organization. So I guess like

vehicle deliveries and service. We're also integrating the delivery and mobile operation

into sales organization to ensure that the purchase of experience as seamless as possible

in a single touch point throughout the entire cell process delivery. So sounds like sales

deliveries and service are being integrated into one organization. Elevating our marketing

effort historically we have had multiple functions like let's see to capture what

would typically be ours in a single market marketing organization. We've made the decision

to form a single marketing organization that we recruit our first chief marketing officer. I'll

be acting as interim chief marketing officer. Our marketing experience team led by Dennis Cherry

and the creative studio team led by Matt Soldin will vote the report directly to before now.

So they are looking for a new CMO. That'd be a fun job. Okay. Yeah. But yeah, in short,

they are looking to, you know, streamline operation reduce costs ahead of the R2 because

they need to show profitability like as soon as possible. We know that won't happen until they can

deliver, you know, ramp up production and deliver R2 in a high volume. But they are finding

efficiencies throughout that and they are reducing the workforce. So makes sense. It's a

bummer. I'm sorry for all the cool people at Rivian that were let go. I mean, basically

Rivian until they start making the R2 is kind of a marketing company, kind of a branding firm

because every car, every vehicle they make, they lose a little bit of money. So

they're just kind of keeping it going until the R2 has come out and hopefully they can make profit

on those. And a technology company because they use a lot of what they are learning from the

R1's program to deliver the R2. Yeah. And then they also sold their technology to

Yeah. Yeah. So that they're making some money from that too now.

All right. So Ford is using the current situation with the fire at their, their plan that

to, to basically kill the F-150 Lightning program or pause it, the Alton production,

they're calling it, but then indefinite Alton production. So there was a fire at the

aluminum supplier factory that's kind of scramble all of its operation for for many

all the vehicle program that use aluminum and the F-150 Lightning is one of them.

So they say that they're going to pause all production at the assembly print in Rouge

indefinitely now and they're going to move the workers working on that line to the other lines

on the neighboring factory that's making the F-Series Super UD trucks. So they're focusing

on the more gas-gusting vehicles and pausing the F-150 Lightning and obviously this timing

also matches the end of the federal tax credit that was helpful for the program. So

I think that as just as much of an impact as the aluminum plan fire, I would assume.

Yeah. At the same time, there's a next generation truck, electric truck that's

supposed to come relatively soon next year, I think, end of next year.

Do you think they have enough lightnings to last until the new one comes out?

Yeah, that's that's what I was going through. I was like, I don't know the exact

inventory situation for the lightning. I'm sure they have some on end. I was actually

like looking at some here too. So it's maybe the thing that that's going to last for a little

while and they're going to be able to sell them a little bit higher prices because there's no more

coming in. And so there's a little bit more of a scarcity issue and that will get them

through their next generation truck next year. All right, we have one more news item to

discuss. We already touched a bit on it earlier and then we're going to jump into the comment

section. So if you guys want or take on something in the EV world or the renewable energy world,

you can put them in the comment section right now. It can be, you know, some of the things

that we discussed today or it can be any other topics in the EV world that you like,

set or not to to discuss. All right, the last thing is the bright drop vehicle program, which

you know, has been killed completely. The shutdown production at the plant in Ontario.

Cami assembly plants, you know, one of the rare all electric vehicles that have been produced

in Canada is no more. The Kansas government also invested $500 million into that plan to

bring it to EV production because it was an ice plan before that. And you know, the bright drop

program started roughly, it was rough for them with 146 trucks in 2022 about 500 trucks in 2023.

And then, you know, similar like doubling a ramp up in 2024. But this year, things were going

pretty well. They delivered for the first three quarter of the year, 2300 van. It's not as much

as like the transit or the even Rivians Amazon delivery van. Well, it's not just Amazon now,

but that's what it's known for. But it is a bigger vehicle too. It's a large, very large

vehicle, the bright drop, but they have two models that have a little bit smaller one.

I was at a car show last weekend for showing up my electric tractors that I have here in Canada.

And the right next to me, there was a bright drop. And I was just every time I looked at it,

I was like, Jesus, that thing is way bigger than I remember it. It is, it is huge. So it's not,

you know, the same category as the E transit, but you're not seeing the same volume either.

But it was, it seemed like it was picking up and the demand was picking up.

But it's not, you know, comparable to the GMC seven of van or the Chevy express,

which are the main commercial van from GM. So they are like, all right, especially with the

situation across the border with us in Canada and the trade war, which now is apparently

completely stalled the negotiation between the US and Canada because the Ontario Premier shared

a video of Ronald Reagan that Trump didn't like. That's literally the reason why there's no

talks right now. It's kind of a screwed situation. So they just gave up on it basically. That's what

happened. So the good news is that you can now buy a bright drop van from Chevy for like, I think

$35,000 or yeah. So the 400 is like 30, I think 30, maybe 39. And then the 600 you can get for,

I think just about 50,000. Wow. Yeah, van life people. That's, yeah, I mean, there's some issues

with that. Yeah, the doors not super air. Yeah, the doors are like very much delivery van doors.

So you would need to figure out a way to isolate them better because the cabin is just,

it's not a good situation. I mean, the back of it, if you were doing like a van life thing,

you would have to isolate it anyway. But yeah, for driving the second seat too is like also like

kind of a very much a secondary seat. It's like a pull down seat. So it's not super comfortable.

You cannot like lay it back or anything like that. So there's, they are issues. But for a solo van

life thing though, I think there's ways to make it like great. But if you're doing like a

couple's thing, I think I think it would be a hard sell for the person of this, I can see.

All right, let's jump into the comment section. All right, I'm seeing 46,000 for one of those right

now. Oh, all right. Oh, dear Rivian, not an e-bike will save them. Yeah, Rivian had an e-bike

announcement this week or it's subsidiary also did and some of the controversy around that is

that why are they messing around with bikes when they can, but you know, they spun off the company.

I don't think it's spending, I don't think they're spending a lot of time with it.

Yeah, it's different people. Do you know of anyone that likes like as a dual role at Rivian

and also? There's one person, RJ. That's it. All right, question. What's the benefit of not

providing Android Auto in a car in 2025 like a new bolt? Why doesn't every OEM provided even

my 15k diesel Dacia from 2019 has it? So this is something I at the GM event, I was, you know,

people would come up to me and say, Oh, aren't we doing great? And I was like, come talk to me

about CarPlay and they would just walk away basically. They are just not going to do CarPlay

and they think they're like Rivian and Tesla and they're, you know, their software engineers

are better, are going to get a better experience. And for a lot of stuff, like the Android Auto

experience is fine. But like for me, it's, you know, when, for instance, texting, like I have

group texts and messages on my iPhone that doesn't work in other operating systems,

and it's really frustrating. And when I'm driving around my Chevy Bolt 2023,

which has CarPlay, it's a really nice experience because I can just, you know,

tap the, you know, respond to the stuff really easily. So yeah, I don't know why they don't

just do it. I mean, the software, the Google software that they use can support CarPlay.

It supports CarPlay and the prologue, the Honda prologue, which is basically a GM car.

Is there a cost to shoot attached to this? Like is the licensing of these things? Like,

I mean, I guess with that the guy said that he hasn't, you know,

it's 2019 Dacia. So probably shouldn't, it's not an astronomical cost, but

are at large scale. Yeah, yeah, probably that's more valuable in the actual licensing.

All right. So yeah, asking the same question there. People texting in their cars currently

is illegal in most US states. He's basically saying drive illegally. Who are we talking about?

I think the E-Mens, that it means that it wouldn't be legal right now to have to even deploy that

technology. Oh, yeah. First of all, this is coming in 2028. And I think the regulator is already

looking into that. What about in California, there's a stretch of highway where you can use

the Mercedes can use the low three system. Yeah. And in Vegas too, or something, maybe on the way.

I'm sure the local authorities where it is legal, they know that if you have the

proper technology, it's actually legal. This is a good question. Bull2035 says,

do we know how much money has been paid for FSD, but has not been realized as revenue yet?

I mean, you don't know exactly, but Tesla's deferred revenue consists mostly of that. So

you can use the deferred revenue line on the balance sheet and it's going to tell you that

I'm out. So it's honestly, I don't pay much attention to that anymore because

Tesla does what it wants with it. They will release an update and

just arbitrarily came up when it'll come up with a number and I'm sure they have a formula for it,

but obviously, if you're promising unsupervised full self-driving to someone and you're selling

it for $10,000, their value like 90%, $9,000 of that value is in unsupervised self-driving.

Like that is infinitely more, well, not infinitely, obviously, but you can put a number on it,

but like an order of magnitude more than driver assistant features. The ability to

the car and not supervise it and like go to sleep in it and text and work and get back your time,

that's where the value is. And that's not what Tesla is doing. They're not just right now

recognizing like 10% of the revenue from it. So they're already not doing it. I think the

right way, the way that they should be doing and there's no, I mean, this is 2025 US where

crime is basically legal and the SEC literally tell people that telecom companies that like,

we don't sweat the small stuff. So don't worry about it. So I don't expect any enforcement

there or anything like that. So what's the point? It's that sad. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Con San Diego with all that you've seen happen with Elon and Tesla, how anyone

could consider putting money towards the Tesla is baffling. Your wallet has power and you're

using it the wrong way. Fair point. Fair point. Look, at the end of the day,

I still report on Tesla. I'm a Tesla reporter full time. And I'm starting to figure out

that the bomb that I knew that for a while, but like, I would like to have the latest computer

and be able to test this latest software, especially as they get closer. And because I do and I'm

saying that like knowing very well that I don't think I'm likely to get to the promise of once

provides self-driving on where for, but I want to be able to track that in a more accurate way.

And I would need to have that computer to do it. So yeah, that's it. That's the main reason that I

want to. Also, I have speaking of like, you know, influencing with my wallet. I do have

like $9,000 worth of Tesla credit that I need to spend.

Yeah, I'm not quite there, but I do have some credit that I would like to

spend down. And I'd also like to, you know, realize some of the money that I spent on full

self-driving. So hopefully I'm not giving too many too much profit. If and when I ever do.

Also, I'm thinking I might not. Mike, the car he says earning call was the most low energy

I've heard Elon until shareholder shareholder vote came up the very end and suddenly his

blood pressure went up. That's fair. That's fair. Every time you talked about is like,

like they're terrorists. They're corporate terrorists. That was him. It's, yeah, he's,

I mean, he's been losing it for a while now, but that clearly, you know, when you're a CEO of a

fortune 500 companies talking about infinite money glitch for a product that you haven't

finished yet, it's yeah, you're not, you're not going the right direction.

All right. Zapfab Lee, Lee box 2817 says humanoids are useless in factories.

Factory robots are already using vision and AI. So talking about the

I have a more nuanced approach to that. I hate when people say like, it's useless.

It's obviously not useless. Like there's, there's use cases. Like if they are,

and I'm not just talking about like, if you figure out a truly generalized humanoid robot,

then obviously it's super useful. But yes, the human form is not the optimal form for virtually

everything. Like there's, we're not, we are weak. We don't, we like,

Evulsely speaking, I think like our biggest asset was our cardio. Like we have like good

cardio over a long period of time, we could all flash some, some prey and things like that.

So that was our best thing. But like obviously robots as amazing cardio based on their power

source. So that's not really the challenge. But like in terms of our ends, that our ends are

amazing, but they're not optimized for a lot of things. So yes, a specialized solution is

generally better. However, there is a high cost in deployment for those for that kind of

machinery for that kind of specialized robots. And if you have a solution that's humanoid and

a task that's been done by a human where they can just observe the task and then take over for it,

there's a lot of value in that. The throughput will not increase that much because of the

limitation of a humanoid. And, and because of that, yes, it's, it's very limited. But there

there is some value. I, but I do agree because of that, that Elon's like idea of like millions and

millions of robots and infinite Monday glitch with with humanoids, I think that's false. I think

humanitarian robots will have a place in the future. But I think they will be outnumbered by

specialized robots, probably a million to one, very least like 100,000 to one.

Yeah, I saw a report, a really smart guy was talking about humanoid robots, and he was like,

yeah, the arms, that makes a lot of sense. Very tactile, very important legs make no sense.

No, put some wheels on there, you're much better off.

Yeah, especially like wheels that can like go over, you can you can have a wheel system

with springs with some suspension that can get over steps and you can go over like even

full flight of stairs and whatnot. Yeah, the wheels are so much more efficient than legs.

Yeah, it's, it's like, you know, we build boats, we don't have like big fins on boats,

you know, going like that, or you know, like, our airplanes don't go like this,

you know, like we're not, we had, we figured out better stuff.

All right, my favorite part of the protocol, Kyle six says my favorite part of the earnings

call was when Elon referenced optimists doing kung fu with Jared Lido, that bot moves just

like the most athletic 85 year old I've ever seen. Oh, that's not fair. That's not fair.

Optimists like good there. The only thing that was weird is like that, you know, Tesla had posted

that a few days prior to the the premiere, and it was clearly a reverse situation. So like,

it's, they say that they said that the robot was interacting with Jared Lido and

everything that first of all, that was not true. Jared Lido in the video is like

standing there just watching it. It's not actually interacting with someone else.

And, and yeah, in the, in the prior video, you could see that it was like a reverse

sequence of event of movement, and then was just replicated for it for the event. So

again, Elon is like lying all the time with that thing. It's annoying. Like why lie about that?

Like, you're trying to do something super difficult. Everyone knows we all understand

that there's great value in a generalized humanoid robots. Just show us what you're doing

to get there. And we're not seeing that right now. Yeah.

All right. Dean McManus 4862 says I just dropped my FSD subscription because it has issues with

my hardware three full self driving computer. Most likely Tesla will be forced to upgrade

hardware three CPUs, but they will probably only upgrade FSD buyers. I think, I think

determining it's too hard to do that though, right? Yeah, I've been very skeptical about

computer upgrade for hardware tree. I think it's too big of a retrofit program. But yeah,

there are we, I guess we didn't talk about that that much, but there was some mention

of our word threes during the call. And it was kind of disheartening really for it for

order three, because the CFO, I always have issues for it with his name, but the CFO kind

of walked back Elon's comments from earlier this year, where Elon straight up admitted

ain't going to happen on our word three. And then tenage is named tenage at the DCFO said

that we haven't completely given up on our word three. That was his work. We haven't

completely given up on our word three. And then a shock said that we plan to do a mini

version of the 14 for hardware three in Q2 of next year. So like, so that's not so

what does that mean is that don't expect a retrofit until, you know, later half of next

year at this, which not going to happen. But you're going to have to wait another six months or so to

maybe get a version or a lesser version that are worth for have right now,

which is still not what people paid for, which was unsupervised self driving. So

it's mind blowing the way that they treat their customers on that front.

I, you know, I cannot support that whatsoever.

All right. Let's see, Carl and San Diego problem with the EV revolution is that y'all

bet on manufacturers in the free market providing the change if we are ever going

to move from ice to EVs in climate crisis pace required regulation. I mean, we could

have also put a penalty on gas and made gas $10 a gallon. I think that would have

probably done way better than anything else. Of course.

Seven cents per kilowatt hour is a very reasonable rate for commercial buildings still.

I mean, I don't know about that, but the commercial buildings are not charging station

charging station that have extremely higher cost of electricity due to peak demand. It's

it's all about peak. It's not it's not consistent like a building. It's it requires

giant peak of electricity demand. All right. Question other than Tesla,

what charging company has shown the most progress building out an effective EV charging network?

Well, that's a good question. I mean, EV go and America, whatever,

let your farm America are both not again.

Yeah. What do you wear for is like that? A strange way. I was like, where are you?

Where are you going? No, what's Italian company? The out Papa Tronic?

Yeah. I mean, so there's networks and then there's hardware. I think there's not like

Tesla is good at both like the supercharged network has great hardware and also a very

reliable and extensive network. And it's the only one that like it's the best. So

like we're just talking about second best and we're talking about like second best that are

pretty far behind. Right. I think on the hardware side, there's things that are a lot closer,

even maybe potentially even better. The Ken power stuff is what a lot of the charging

station operator mentioned a lot. So a friend of mine, Sylvain Juteau operates in what is

called the really electric station, the Avenue Electric. And he has dozens of charging station

there, including a few DC chargers. So he's tested a bunch of different hardware for a bunch

of different charging station. And the Ken power one is by far the best he says. And

now that's what he used when he deploys other DC fast charging station. So there's that.

But in terms of network, like in North America, have you tried this this whole like

Iona thing? No, but I've heard good things about them and they are buying the Alpetronic stuff.

So yeah. So maybe that maybe that's going to be a thing in Europe. You have better stuff though.

They are fascinated. You have the big one, the Ionic. Yeah. Yeah, it's Ionic.

And of course, superchargers there as well with superchargers on defeated all time best.

All right. Any recommendations on home chargers? Any interesting new home charging options in 2025?

I mean, it depends on what you're after. Like there's some that have two charge ports that are

kind of nice that balance like Grizzly's got one. I like that. What is it starts with an E

euphonic or something? Emporia. Emporia is like 399 good hardware. The cable is nice and flexible.

Altel's got a good one. I don't know what about you? What do you think?

You know, wall box are pretty good. My dad has a flow he likes a lot, but I think they're

getting a little bit cheaper these days. And I mean, the wall connector, I've never had any

issues with a wall connector. That's the wall connector ever. So it's obviously good.

All right. 2026 full load Cascadia is over 200k to buy right now. It's like a full

Tesla Semi. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. If you're at 250k, then you're very competitive.

If you're at 300k, 250k, it's become a tougher decision.

All right. Skeptic says still early stages, but Iona is making waves in the Midwest in practice.

I'm starting to view public charges as a single large network rather than individual companies,

especially with Nax. Yeah. I mean, as they get better and as they start taking,

taking, you know, plug-in charge and their credit card readers actually work,

it is starting to become a little bit smoother.

All right. What are you talking about with the two minutes of warning? All these

interventions needs to be instantaneous. It's the whole point of not having full autonomy. Well,

that's the point. Like, so first of all, this 2028 eyes off is only going to be on freeways.

So when it's time to get off the freeway, like if you've navigated to a place that's off the

freeway, when you're two miles away from your destination, it'll start beeping. It'll, you

know, like prepare to take over in two minutes and then it'll start beeping more and more and

more. And then if you don't get, get onto it, it pulls itself over to the side of the road.

All right. You have level three. Yeah.

Mike, the car gate years ago, all automakers wanted to skip level three driving because

there's a gray area as to who is responsible for accidents, but level four approved too difficult

for some automakers, actually all automakers. All right. Level three is all I need,

but I do need it at this point. I, I want to go to sleep in the back of my car whenever that

happens is when I'm cool. Uh, protocol says if Ford never research lightning production,

the STX trim will be super rare. Yeah, they didn't produce that for a minute.

Isn't anyone else a bit concerned about Elon being in control of a million humanoid robots?

Uh, what, if you were to arm them, will robots have the right to bear arms in the U S?

Yeah. I don't like the sound of it. I, I'm not, I'm not scared of, uh, of the Tesla robots right

now. I should be like, like, uh, protocol has been, has been saying, like, I think 85 year old

men, I don't know what kind of 85 year old millions out with, but I think that's not

exactly fair. But it's also not, they're not really strong right now. Like if they do use

weapons, I guess, but, uh, yeah, I think, uh, I think

More like dance parties. Gotta worry about the dance parties.

All right. Uh, Canada is screwed for manufacturing anyways. No matter what is being made, we are,

we are on a fast track to national bankruptcy and we're smile and wave.

Is it that bad? I don't know about that. But, uh, in terms of the automotive

aspect to it, I do agree that, uh, that we're kind of, we're kind of screwed on,

on that front, uh, in terms of manufacturing. Look, I think, uh, I think we can do, there's a

lot we can do for, we're such a resource rich country, insanely rich. And we've been focused a

lot on our like oil reserve, obviously, because we have the, I think the third largest confirmed

oil reserve, but terrible extraction of it, expensive attraction. So I think, yeah, the

tar sands. So I think we should focus less on that and, uh, and, and look at our mineral resources,

that, and look at the ways to exploit those in a way that is, uh, not through disrupting to the

environment and, uh, and our renewable resources, we have incredible forestry. And if we do it,

you know, uh, responsibly, it's, it's a renewable resource that, that you can use a lot. And

we, you know, it's something that, that, uh, you know, our trees are incredible. Like, uh,

one much better than the U S for, for lumber and that. So there is a lot of opportunity on that.

And, um, yeah, in terms of the manufacturing front, that's for sure we, we need, we need some reforms

on that. All right. When they've got the woke mind idiots, like you shoving that BS down their

throats, uh, what do you expect? Come on, Fred, I challenge you to a debate right now in front

of everyone. Let's do it. All right, Robert Vargas. Yeah. I mean, now a days I stay the,

for anyone that mentioned left, right, woke is in all of that stuff is like, I, I don't believe

in any of that stuff. I believe all of that is just distraction. If you're engaging in that,

like screw the woke, screw the Nazi, right. And everything on that is like, it's,

it's not helpful. I would, I would destroy you in a debate because I would just focus

on the actual, what are we debating about? Like if we were, if we were debating about

electric vehicles, what are you going to do? I don't engage anything that has to do wokeism,

left, right, stupid.

All right. According to the motor turned article, uh, car makers are ditching Android

Auto and CarPlay in large part to be in control of the data collected from the drivers. It's

valuable and they want a piece of that. Yeah. So you were right about that.

Just saying. All right, go watch it again. Fred and Tommy that the bot doesn't move like

an 85 year old. It's very rigid, you know, good movements and MMA. I mean, it's going to look

rigid. It's a robot. It's a lot more rigid, but like what kind of 85 years old can do, uh, uh,

like a 360 jumping spin, uh, like a, in a roundhouse kick, like even, even like a regular

roundhouse kick. I don't do a lot of 85 years. I can do that. And now that it was a great roundhouse

kick, but still, so, uh, yeah, I get, I get your point though. It's not, it's just not there yet,

but the unitary robot is doing some wild stuff. You can do like a back flip, like a front flip

from being like kneeling down on the, on the, on the ground, like it moves like

impressively well. Uh, it just doesn't have the level of, um, dexterity in the hands that,

that some of the other robots do.

All right. Uh, what do you think about fusion, nuclear fusion?

Oh, uh, over my head a little bit. Like, I mean, I, I know that if, if it is solved, it's,

it is great. It has a lot of potential, like less, um, I know that's a lot less, um,

I reasoned you from, from operation. And it's, uh, uh, so, so that, that's great. It's just,

if you asked me, like, when is it going to be solved? Uh, I have no clue. It's way over

my head.

All right. Um, an agreement, although it would be nice to have unlimited power.

I've been using the Tesla mobile connector, the whole ownership of my car,

which the benefit of getting a dedicated home charger. Yeah. I also have that kind of idea.

Like once you plug one in, you leave it there. It just works.

No, if you, if you have it on level two, if you have a connection for it and everything,

uh, there's, there's literally no, no advantage.

All right. And I think, uh, we are not allowed to work on the oil patch at all.

The federal liberals have stopped that completely with keep it in the ground policy.

All right.

I mean, I don't know if it's like, I'm sure like we, it's like, it's like the U S in that sense,

like when it's the conservative party with all their representatives from Alberta that it's

empowered and yes, the regulation gets relaxed and then with the liberal party, uh, it gets

tighter regulation. But at the end of the day, our costs of extracting oil is way higher than

like the Saudis and, or, or some of the other, uh, you know, big reserve out there. So,

so you have to take that into account. Like, cause I hear a lot of people like some often

compare us to the Saudis because in terms of population, we're similar in terms of oil

reserve, we're similar. And then yet they have like all of our social benefits like

healthcare and everything plus a hundred thousand dollar salary, uh, for, for citizens

and all that, all that stuff. Um, so like, why are we, we just as resource rich, we should be

as rich as a nation too at the same time. It's like, look at our costs, our costs of exploiting

the oil is way different. Uh, so it's not an ideal. I'm sure, I'm sure we have more

regulation. He's awesome. Uh, and I probably for the better, I would assume. Uh, but, uh,

at the end of the day, it's like a business. And if you're, if your costs of extracting

from Tarzan is higher than the, the Saudis drilling, uh, you're, you're not going to

compete as much. And especially when the prices of oil goes down, it's up in the last

week or two, I think like it's just got a big jump. But for a while it was going down

and that's, that's not good business for Alberta. No, but it's good for knocking food down to power.

So yeah, we'll be all right with that. All right. That's it. That's it for. All right. Well,

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