Underrated Cars —Who Am I Showdown

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I got mainstay, Dylan here, to do a special episode on who am I?

Who am I?

So for those of you that remember who am I, four hints we give or I give.

And then you need to guess what car I'm talking about.

Maybe a car that I feel is either going to go up in value.

In this case, underrated cars.

Okay.

Right?

Cars that you feel like are extremely underrated, not that many people talk about them or maybe

they've forgotten about, but they're definitely a car that is worth mentioning, all right?

So before we do that, let's talk about some Analog In-Grid things.

So I know Sunday Grits tomorrow, which will be yesterday if you're listening on Monday.

Analog In-Grid this week is going to be pretty much like exotics?

Yeah.

We're trying to bring down some exotics, just kind of, I guess it's inspired by our trip

to Monterey car week.

Kind of following up with that.

And then a couple of us here know some people in the supercar community that have a group.

So I think they're going to make the trip down to San Diego and join us tomorrow.

Nice.

That's awesome.

Any other?

I've had Smash Burgers.

Oh.

Not just any Smash Burgers.

So Nick made some nasty in a good way.

Yeah.

Smash Burgers.

They were phenomenal.

Like I...

They were fire.

I consider myself a burger connoisseur and like I mean it was like not much comes close.

Really?

Yeah.

Okay.

So when I think of Smash Burgers in San Diego, I think of the friendly.

Okay.

Have you ever had the friendly?

I've never been to the friendly.

Okay.

There's a few of them.

So right by where I work, you know, shoot over on my lunch break.

And they used to be $5.

They called them like flat top greasy burgers.

They used to be five bucks at the one in North Park on 30th.

Now they're like eight bucks.

But it's two patties that are super thin and like caramelized on the edge.

Yeah.

That's perfect.

That's how he made them?

Yeah.

He caramelized them on the edges using mustard.

Oh, wow.

Like he had rolled out the burger like into like the balls that are ready to smash

and then he put mustard down directly onto the hot plate.

Wow.

Place the burger on top, smashed it, put some more mustard on top, flipped it.

And that kind of gave it those crispy edges.

Interesting.

So he kind of did it the animal style way.

Yeah.

You could say that.

I mean, it wasn't, I was, I did not know how it was going to go because I'm not

huge on mustard, but like you don't really taste the mustard.

It just acts as like an agent to kind of caramelize the patty.

And Nick seasoned it with garlic, salt, onion, salt, all the good stuff.

Nice.

And yeah, I was blown away.

Nice.

So yeah, because in and out animal style is with mustard usually on the flat top.

That's what makes it animal style and then like the caramelized onions and all that

other stuff.

But I know that it's like cooked with mustard.

So anyway, shout out to Nick.

Grill and Chill was a success again this Wednesday.

Looks like you never know what you're going to get.

Something new, right?

Yeah.

It's always good though.

Somebody always brings, it seems like every week we do grill and chill.

Somebody has a creative idea for what we're going to cook and it always comes out, everybody

comes together and it ends up being really amazing.

But if you happen to find out that Nick's making smash burgers definitely come.

Even if you're not a member, you can pay $20 and it'll be worth your while.

Okay.

Awesome.

Any cars for sale?

Anything new on Marketplace?

Oh man, I'm always looking, you know, but I never quite...

Well for analog and grit.

Right.

We have some new ones coming in.

Maybe once I know some more details on them, maybe next week or the following, we'll

talk more about those.

But for now, we just sold a BMW Z4 M-Coupe, bone stock, nice M-Coupe, a little bit

higher miles, but extremely well preserved.

We actually were able to find a buyer for that through local classifies.

We have some imports here that we're working on titling.

Some that are kind of like hot import cars like K trucks and stuff like that.

It seems like a lot of people right now are snapping up like Honda Acti, Subaru,

Sambar, you know, all those little K cars.

So yeah, that's about it and we should have some more coming in here soon.

We have one we're going to prepare for cars and bids.

That's a E63 that we're selling a 2013, if I'm not mistaken, E63.

I think that'll be a good cars and bids car because it's a very rare color.

It comes with the desirable P30 performance package and it's the kind of car that

I would expect cars and bids buyers to eat up.

Yeah.

So for the listeners that may want to sell a car in the future, what's like the

time frame because like if you post a car on an auction site, you know,

it's going to be seven days.

If it's no reserve, you know what's selling, right?

Part of the appeal is like, OK, I know I'm getting rid of my car.

It might not be the price I want if it's no reserve, but at the end of the

day, I'm getting, I'm selling it.

Yeah. Right.

So what is usually the time frame with the cars you've been selling on

marketplace?

Honestly, it varies.

We kind of try to prioritize like getting the most money for the car because it

seems like most of our clients are more concerned about like how they have a

number in their head, a figure that they want to have in their pocket for

their car and they want to get that even if it takes, you know, a month

or two, which sometimes it does because we're not just selling like

used certified used Corollas here.

It's always like a weird specialty car that requires the right buyer and we've

had amazing success with with classified listings like locally.

Sometimes we have to wait a little bit longer.

We've had cars that have taken a couple months to move, but we always are

able to get a pretty, pretty high number for them.

And if we want to go the cars and bids route, that can be good too.

We had an amazing auction on there with one of our members M threes.

Better than expected.

We didn't have as much luck with that one private party.

So it varies.

But to answer your question, as far as timeframe, I would say for us,

it can be like a month, month and a half to two months for the car.

If we're trying to get maximum money.

Another good example is we sold a Acura NSX and we really, I think,

set a precedent for an automatic NSX.

It was higher miles, 130, not a lot of maintenance history,

necessarily and automatic, of course, which most NSX buyers are going to want

the manual. We got 62,000 for that, which is an incredible

figure for, for automatic NSX, especially with the miles.

Right. No crazy desirable color or anything like that.

It was the white one, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

Nice car.

I don't get me wrong, but it, I was pleasantly surprised and that's the power

of waiting and marketing a car the right way, doing a little bit of history

to dig up its past.

All of that together makes for a really strong listing and we've been able

to get top dollar for cars by just doing as much as we can to gather

information and make a nice listing and then, you know, be easy to work

with in terms of like finding buyers and communicating.

Nice. Yeah.

I feel like, you know, the timeframe usually is dependent on what the seller

wants, right?

Yes.

Like if they're a little bit out of, you know, reach with their pricing

or they feel like, you know, I'm not getting rid of it for less than this.

Like, like you have to realize sometimes what you think your car is worth

is not what it's actually worth.

Yeah.

You know, like just because you put 10 grand into something doesn't

mean you're going to get that 10 grand back.

So I guess that could always, you know, vary the timeframe.

I try to do a little bit of work before they bring the car in to kind

of like protect ourselves from that.

You know, my job sometimes is to manage expectations.

Right.

I run as close of a comp as I can.

I pull the build sheet for the car.

If I can pull the build sheet that way I get everything.

It could be, you know, a base model car that has HID headlights

and I don't notice that because, you know, it's not my car

and somebody just brought it in.

But it's all that research that makes for doing an accurate comp.

And that's really important that we're on the same page with the seller.

Where do you pull the build sheet from?

Is that like a website used to then?

Yeah, I actually found a nifty website.

I can't think of the name off the top of my head.

Maybe we can put it in the description, but you can pay

like seven dollars and they'll dig up the build sheet information.

And it tells you like we recently pulled one on that E 63

and it told me almost everything.

There was like just a couple little tiny

like it wasn't able to note the exact whether it was the Black Napa

Leather or the Black Leather, but it still noted the color,

the P 30 package, all of the important stuff.

So you can do that.

And sometimes even in the owner's manual,

particularly with Mercedes, they'll have oftentimes the build sheet stamped.

Yeah, it's like a physical car that they have stamped out for your vehicle

with your vent on it and everything.

Yeah, so I want to move on and talk about your latest purchase.

So I finally got a chance to see the Geo storm in the flesh today.

What do you think?

And honestly, I couldn't believe how good the interior is.

Like that interior, even forget about the cleanliness of it

and how well maintained it's been.

But just like the even ergonomics of the car,

like the way you have your climate controls kind of curved on the top right

of the steering wheel kind of reminded me of how my 300ZX had it.

NSX is so like 90s JDM cars had everything at your fingertips, right?

They didn't want you to kind of, you know, everything was driver focused.

They didn't want you to take in your eyes off the road.

So that Geo storm has controls right at your fingertips, right?

I like that it says storm on the on the steering wheel.

That was another unique cool Easter egg that I picked up on, too.

Few Easter eggs, you know, it obviously has a little hatch

where you can fold a seat down and have some extra cargo space.

But the cleanliness of the seats.

I love like cloth seats from the 90s

that retain that like fiber look. Yeah. Right.

Like it has like you can see the fibers and like and like

even like my recaro seats of my alpha, like it looks very unique

for the recaro seats that it is.

Recaro seats today don't look like that anymore, you know, because it has that

like clothy, like I don't know what material they use.

I know what you're talking about, though.

You can almost like see the weave and they're nice and clean.

Tweed or some type of material of cloth that they used back then.

And it just I don't know, even smells good, you know, something I noticed

about it, too, coming from having a daily driver,

my diesel Mercedes that has MB tax in it.

It's nice hopping into the cloth seats on a hot day.

Yeah, compared to hopping on leather or MB tax,

it just stays way cooler regardless of how much sun it catches.

Yeah, definitely.

And look, I think an interior is more important sometimes in an exterior

because that's what you're living in.

That's what you always got your eyes on.

Sure. That's where you stay most of the time.

Now, your exterior obviously has clear code failure.

It has some dings and dents and a little bit of like rust spots.

But I feel like personally, if I bought a car like that,

it's worth putting the money into the exterior restoration

because for one, you're restoring the survivor car that most car

enthusiasts today have no clue existed.

Yeah. You know, and for some people, that's worth that's worth it in itself.

Yeah. Right. Like like keeping a car on the streets

because obviously the more the better it looks,

the more likely you're going to want to fix other things.

Right. And the interior is all there.

It's just not a matter of the exterior. Right.

Yeah. For me, it's kind of been I've just been like,

you know, giving it a good mechanical.

I gave it like a good mechanical inspection as good as I could.

I was shocked that it wasn't like leaking oil from every orifice

because when I think of old Geos, that's what I think of.

My buddy had a metro sedan that leaked from everywhere

and it wasn't even super high miles or anything either.

Yeah. So, yeah, for that reason, since it's pretty mechanically sound,

I feel comfortable spending some money on the exterior, making it look better.

And then I'm kind of fallen in love with the car already.

Like I really enjoy driving it.

So I won't be I wouldn't be surprised if I keep it for a long time.

Nice. Yeah.

I took a photo of my Alfa Romeo Milano behind it with your car.

And I was thinking like like if someone walked past these two cars,

that's a car and there's no way they're not looking like they're going

to just be like, what the hell are these? Yeah.

You know what I mean?

And apparently you went to Rancho Santa Fe this morning

and Rancho Santa Fe here in San Diego County

is pretty much the Monterey Car Week of San Diego County.

Now, absolutely, it's not nearly as crazy.

But for one, you know, Saturday morning, pretty much every Saturday morning,

you get to see like beautifully maintained or, you know,

restored vintage classic cars, but not only classics,

but even like some supercars. Yeah.

You know, so when you go to Rancho Santa Fe,

like you need to bring it like you can't just come with, you know,

a nice, you know, Mercedes E class, you know, like no one's going to care.

Like it's got to be something

that car enthusiasts are going to turn their heads with, right?

Yeah. So in your case, you brought your GeoStorm today.

I did. So how did it go?

It went well.

I couldn't believe how many people break their necks over it.

I mean, in fact, we even set up, I haven't pulled the footage yet,

but we set up a GoPro on the inside facing out

because I wanted to try to get people's reactions.

And what I noticed is everybody would like walk past it and kind of like smile

or like chuckle, or I even heard people say like GeoStorm,

like people who don't know what it is.

Right. Well, I even heard a couple of people say like, oh, GeoMetro.

Yeah. Not quite.

Yeah. But that's what comes to mind when you think of a Geo.

So, yeah, it got a lot of attention.

I shouldn't really be surprised, though,

because before I ever went to RSF, truthfully, I kind of had the wrong idea.

I thought it was just people who, like, got their money and then they became car people.

But I was wrong about that.

There really is a lot of, like, true car enthusiasts that go to RSF.

It's refreshing.

Yeah. I remember we did a podcast about, you know, just different car clubs

and we talked about Rancho Santa Fe and there was a video

that had come out of the guy saying to the JDM, you know, kid,

forget what car he had.

It might have been like a 240.

Yeah. I know the person.

Yeah. It was a LS Swap 240SX.

Yeah. And he was pretty much telling them, you're not welcome here.

Right. Yeah. He's like, I carefully curate this car show with exotic cars

and cars that, you know, are very expensive and these aren't cars

for just your average person and just show up with their loud exhaust

and this and that.

And like to his point, I get, yeah, OK, if it is an exotic super car show

only, then that makes sense.

But it's not right. Cars and coffee.

It's a cars and coffee in an affluent neighborhood.

So just because it's affluent and his wealthy people,

there doesn't mean there aren't people there that appreciate JDM cars

that are modified. Yeah. Right.

So I kind of like boycotted the car show for a little bit.

But not necessarily because of that video, more so because, like,

like I'm not going to drive all the way to Rancho Santa Fe to be there

at 8 a.m. because by the time 8 15 rolls along, you ain't finding parking.

No. Yeah.

So you got to get, you know, you got to leave early.

But it is, it's grown on me.

It's definitely for a car enthusiast because it's because everyone's there.

Like it's pretty unique of a car show that we have in San Diego

that every Saturday morning without fail, without fail,

you're going to see a great turnout.

You're going to see a car that you've probably never seen before.

It's not just the same old cars that show up every week, right?

It's like exotic cars that, you know, you probably dream of seeing, you know,

like I said, it's the Monterey Car Week of San Diego County.

Yeah, it truly is.

Yeah, you see different stuff every week.

Like you said, one that I want to mention before I forget that I saw

today that was pretty cool was a Brazilian market Chevy Opala,

which is like in terms of looks, if you can picture

like a shrunken Chevy Nova with like a 60s charger rear end

with the double headlights kind of looks like that.

And this one had an LT1 in it, supercharged LT1 from like a ZL1 Camaro.

So you see cool stuff like that, you know, restomods that are American classics.

You see there was a really nice Dodge Ram prospector pickup truck

that was for sale that was breaking necks at RSF.

So yeah, you never know just as long as it's cool

and people haven't seen it. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

For your geostorm, though, like I was looking at the front end

and I couldn't believe how the headlights overhang over

well, the top part of the of the hood overhangs through the headlights.

Almost like it has that extra front lip, kind of like how a Plymouth Roadrunner

or like a Daytona. Yeah.

Dodge Daytona has that like extra piece in the front

that kind of like makes it more of a wedge shape or aerodynamic.

And yeah, the geostorm has it slightly and it's like so deep.

Like I had to like tilt my head to look underneath

to see where the headlights were, right?

You know, it was kind of the the geo kind of emerged during like

an awkward time with headlights, right?

Like some the early storms, 90, 91 had pop up headlights.

A lot of auto manufacturers were like required to use sealed beams.

I know. And since the geo was an economy card,

I don't think they were going to spend any time developing some expensive

headlight, so it just has rectangular sealed beams and the bumper

that you're talking about almost like the Plymouth Superbird.

It's made out of foam, right?

So it's literally like an extension of the core support ends at the end of the hood.

And then the bumper extends forward and has everything in it.

The headlights, but it's just a big foam shell. Right.

Yeah, there you go.

And I actually I made a list of cars that it looks like.

That the geo storm looks like.

I think our listeners will like to hear this. OK.

There's a I named quite a few.

There's the Catfish Camaro, obviously looks like a mini Catfish Camaro.

Yeah, I posted that on the real last week. Yeah. Yeah.

The early nineties, Pontiac Grand Prix, same style front fascia.

The Toyota Cera in the rear, the big piece, the glass hatch

and the overall shape of the rear.

And then the last one is the second generation Chrysler LeBaron.

Oh, yeah, the nose looks similar.

What about the Pontiac Sunbird?

Sunbird, too. Yeah, that's another one.

Too close to Camaro, I think for me to kind of say both.

But yeah, it's similar to the Sunbird.

Yeah, I mean, look, it's a rare car.

Obviously, nobody took the time to keep them and restore them.

They just probably fell victim to junkyards.

Yeah, cash for clunkers.

I'm sure a lot of them were lost to cash for clunkers.

Because yeah, that was 2000, mid to late 2000s.

Right. And can you imagine how much a GEO is worth?

How much that was worth then?

Worthless. Right. And if they're giving you 4K, I mean, so no brainer.

Yeah. Yeah.

So the fact that this one survived, clearly it's worth restoring.

You know, I'm curious to see what you do with it.

But I'm glad that you bought it and you're excited to have it.

Super excited. I want to keep it.

You know, it's not like you're buying it to flip it.

One last thing on the GEO that I found kind of fascinating was

I looked at it has an oil chain sticker up in the top corner of the windshield.

And it was dated 2012.

And in 2012, it had 60,000 miles on it.

Oh, wow. So all those years produced in 93, you know, almost 20 years later,

it only had 60,000 miles on it.

Yeah. And I'm inclined to believe that the gentleman I bought it from

put most of the miles on it because he drove it 12,000 miles in the last year alone.

So good commuter car, really.

What's the total miles on it right now?

One 30. OK. Yeah. Just north of one 30. Not bad.

So I do want to go into our Who Am I segment?

So we planned on creating three cars, right?

So we have three cars each and let's change it this time, right?

Three guesses, because it's just me and you.

So I'm going to actually guess for the first time ever.

So when I when I used to do these with Justin

back when he was the co-host,

he would be the only one that guessed a versus other guests that were on the show.

But I actually never had the opportunity to guess.

So I'm excited to participate now in the Who Am I.

So without further ado.

I'll go first. OK. Then you go.

So we'll kind of just alternate.

OK, back and forth. You do one, I do one.

Yes, sounds good.

So these are underrated cars that we feel like

should get more recognition, right?

Little asterisk on that.

You didn't tell me that beforehand,

but I still think some of my cars sort of fall into that category.

OK, so we'll roll with it.

But I want to throw you off.

I thought I texted you and the other guy underrated cars.

But either way, no worries.

I mean, I'm sure most of the cars we talk about are pretty underrated.

Yeah. All right.

So my nameplate was created in the 60s for two generations

and then was revived in the early to mid 2000s.

Oh, if I can put my finger on it, that's a pretty good hint.

Let's see. Can I ask you any questions?

No, no. OK.

But here's here's a little caveat.

Yeah, if you can if you can name it on hint one, you get four points.

OK, two, you get three.

The third one, you get two points on the fourth one, you get one point.

So you said two generations starting when in the 60s. OK.

So two generations and then it was revived in the early to mid 2000s.

Oh, man, I feel like it has to be American.

You got three more hints.

Yeah. Yeah. If it's if it's if it's from the 60s,

I feel like it has to be American,

especially because I can think of a few American car revivals in the early 2000s.

Give me the second hint.

I have a dual overhead cam V8 with over 300 horsepower and a four speed automatic.

Whoa. What could this be?

Dual overhead cam in the 60s is pretty impressive.

Dual overhead cam V8 and a four speed.

Well, the one I'm referring to is not in the 60.

It's not the 60s car. It's the 2000s car.

The nameplate originated in the 60s.

Yeah, yeah. Right.

But the car I'm referring to with the V8 is from the 2000s.

And the dual overhead cam with the V8 came with a manual.

No, four speed automatic only.

Oh, four speed automatic only.

OK. Oh, man.

It I think it has to be.

Could it be a no.

Because 60s. Oh, OK.

Let me get the other hint. OK.

I know I have a couple of guesses, but I this will give me more to work with.

I was the performance model of a different name plate

adopting components found on a police interceptor model.

60s and revived started in the 60s

for two generations, two generations.

Did you say in the first hint when it ended and came back?

60s, two generations starting in the 60s.

OK, that's all I have to work with. All right.

I want to say.

Dual overhead cam with only a four speed automatic.

What could that be?

Dual overhead cam V8.

I feel like it has to be a Ford.

Is it the is it the Lincoln mark?

Close close.

OK, I still have more guesses.

Yes. OK, I'm getting close.

Lincoln mark.

You said starting in the 60s.

The first car I thought of was the Thunderbird.

But that didn't start in the 60s.

Is that your guess?

I have three guesses.

I'm to say Thunderbird.

No. No. No.

But you are very you are close.

You threw me off there.

You are very close.

But what the hell would have only come with a four speed

automatic with a dual overhead cam V8?

OK, with the last hint, remember, the hints get easier.

OK, the last hint, if you if you focus on the parts

that I pretty much concluded the sentence with,

how many cars had parts from a police interceptor?

Yeah, right?

Because you're focusing on like the 60s and the dual

overhead cam, like, yeah, in the 2000s.

Could it be a Crown Vic?

Oh, you're so close, dude.

Oh, oh, it's a town car.

Mercury, Marauder, Marauder.

Oh, you got me.

Yeah, you got me.

The last hint was a body on frame

known as the Panther platform.

So you're right there, right?

You had all the all the other ones.

Yeah. And that's why I said I was the performance model

of a different name plate.

I narrowed it down to Ford.

Yeah, so, you know, based off the Crown Vic, right?

Or the Grand Marquis, you know, in this case,

it was the Marauder, which apparently had a lot

of the police interceptor components, like the chassis

tuning, everything pretty much was like you were driving

the police for car version, you know, they came only in,

like, black, like neutral dark colors.

I don't think not only black, there were some other colors,

but it wasn't like golds and the stuff you'd find

on the normal Mercury.

Right, I'm surprised to find that they had a Marauder

in the 60s.

Yeah, you can look at it, it looked completely different,

obviously. Right, right.

But here's my take on the Mercury Marauder.

You rarely see him, right?

Very rarely.

And when you do see him, you kind of look twice,

you're like, oh, no, that's the Marauder.

Dual exhaust, you see the dual exhaust,

they're usually all blacked out

and all you see is two oval exhaust tips

sticking out of the rear.

I think even like the headlights are more like smoked,

maybe not, or maybe they just smoke them,

but everyone I see, you could just see,

like it just looks a little bit more meaner, right?

Lower to the ground, bigger wheeled,

little bit more aggressive profile.

Yeah, 302 horsepower, I believe it was.

Yeah, no manuals. Not bad.

They were boats, right, pretty much,

and they, you know, well, what is it?

Like they would just kind of float, right?

Yeah, I don't know if they had the seats,

I believe, weren't bench seats like you'd find on a lot of them.

Yeah, the Marauder definitely got buckets.

Yeah, so I just think they're cool.

Every time I see one, even the wheels were different.

You know, you can definitely pinpoint one by the wheels.

And yeah, for 300 horsepower, early 2000s,

I mean, think about it.

Those V8s were like 300,000 mile engines, you know?

I mean, they were mainly meant for going on,

like for taxis.

Yeah, an idling for hours.

Yeah, exactly.

They were bulletproof platforms.

So take the performance version of a platform

that's known for being super durable and dependable,

like sign me up.

Yeah, I'd really like to drive one.

I've never driven an old Crown Vic

and that I think would be a fun car

to take out to like a test track

and do donuts and mess around in

and just see how well you can throw it around.

Just like the cops did back in the day.

Yeah, right?

Crazy amount of body roll, right?

Yeah, I'm no stranger to that.

Yeah, so all right, man, your turn.

Okay, let's go.

All right, so here's my first hint.

I arrived in the late 1980s

and quietly left by the early 1990s.

Fewer than 9,000 of me were ever made.

All right, so 80s to late 90s?

What'd you say?

I'm not gonna say.

No, you said I said I said I arrived in the late 80s

and quietly left by the 1990s, early 1990s.

Oh, okay, early 1990s.

Yeah, so giving you a pretty tight year range here.

Short production run.

Yeah.

All right, and we don't even know

what type of country we're dealing with here.

So go ahead, go ahead too.

Okay, I was my manufacturer's attempt

to lure buyers away from Mercedes and BMW coupes.

Mm, okay.

So we know it's not those two.

So I'm immediately thinking Audi.

Okay.

80s and 90s, and it's an,

huh, you talked about an Audi earlier today

that you saw a Rancho Santa Fe.

So I doubt you would have showed me that

if it was that car.

Late 80s.

There's other Audi coupes though,

so I don't know.

Late 80s into the 90s and it lured.

Okay, so I don't know anything

about the car itself though.

So go ahead, hint three.

Yeah, yeah.

My siblings include boxy sedans and wagons,

but I was the only one in the family

built as a two-door luxury coupe.

Okay, so this is definitely,

this is a German luxury coupe.

Think boxy.

Boxy, all right.

So the Audi Quattro was definitely, you know, the-

You're hung up on one thing here.

I'm not gonna tell you what it is,

but you said something in the beginning

that you might be getting too hung up on.

Is it the Audi Quattro?

No, it's not the Audi Quattro.

Okay, I had to throw it out there, right?

Got three guesses.

Yep.

All right, so maybe it's not an Audi then,

if I'm hung up on one thing.

Let's see, because it's gotta be German

for it to compete with those coupes,

but maybe not.

Maybe, not necessarily.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right, so you said, give me the third hint again.

Okay, the third hint is my siblings

include boxy sedans and wagons.

Boxy sedans and wagons.

Volvo, okay.

Okay, but more specifically.

Yes, so we're talking about-

The last hint will give it away.

Okay, so I'm gonna give you my two, Volvo 240.

No, not quite.

Could have been a coupe, so not, you're getting close.

That's right, it's a coupe.

Oh my gosh, okay.

Well, they made the 240 in a coupe,

so you're still not a bad guess.

But you said only a coupe.

Only a coupe.

They only made a coupe on this one.

Only a coupe.

All right, go ahead with the last hint.

Although my design was boxy,

it was softened by Italian flair.

Oh wow.

Hold on a second.

I feel like we've talked about this car before,

and even if we haven't, you probably know what it is.

Yeah, so there was a Volvo that was designed by Italian.

Geez.

I said 240, right?

You said 240, yeah.

But that wasn't only a coupe.

Right, and then even like the other one,

was it the 850?

That was a sedan.

Sedan wagon.

Yeah, yeah.

Damn, we talked about this car.

Maybe.

So maybe it's a sob.

No, the sob came in convertible.

Yeah, we talked about the wagon.

Yeah.

Only a coupe, and it's European.

Honestly, the car that I was thinking of,

it looks like a coupe, but it's a hardtop convertible.

And as a Italian flair, and it came out in the early 90s,

which was the Cadillac Alante, but obviously.

Boxy also.

Yeah, which is also a boxy, but that's a convertible.

It's just a hardtop.

I would have called it a convertible

if it was a convertible.

Right, okay, so damn, what could it be?

Got one more guess.

Yeah, let's see.

Although my design was boxy,

it was softened by Italian flair.

And it's not a Volkswagen?

No.

Okay, because you said what kind of Volvo.

You got close.

All right, so you said what kind of Volvo.

So it's a Volvo.

I just, I can't think of a Volvo two-door coupe

that's from the 80s and 90s.

It's an interesting one.

I mean.

But not impossible to decipher.

I know, I'm gonna just throw out the Volvo C70.

It's, no, it's the Volvo 780 Bear Tone.

Oh, okay.

So Bear Tone was the Italian flair here.

I got a picture of one right there.

Let me see it.

Yeah, it's got, you can see,

you can swipe to the left, I think,

and you'll see the Bear Tone badge on the left.

Oh, 780, look at that.

Yeah, yeah.

Wow. 780 Bear Tone.

With the sunroof and everything.

Yeah, yeah.

That's cool.

Where was, oh yeah, they had it on the C-pillar.

Yeah, I spotted this one in San Isidro.

Wow.

Yeah, I would have never guessed that.

Okay.

Now, anything that's Italian designed

that's not Italian is cool to me.

I mean, you know, like the Carman Ghia, you know,

you think of like all these cars

that aren't even Italian, but the Pantera, right?

Like it's designed by Ghia,

like the one we saw at Car Week.

It's just cool because it gives Italian flair

to like a European, a well engineered European,

you know, car that usually Italians aren't,

you know, well engineered.

So.

And for some people, Italian cars

kind of leave a stale taste in their mouth,

but they like the way they look.

Yeah.

So maybe they can find their,

that you can find an Italian designed car

that has an American drivetrain in it,

or a Swedish drivetrain in it in this case.

Right.

Yeah, that's a good one, man.

I honestly didn't even know that particular model.

Like I know the C-70,

like the one that William said he owned

is a coupe mainly.

And yeah, but that one, yeah.

I didn't even know.

Next time you drive past one,

you're going to notice it now.

All right, let me go on to my second one.

Okay.

Let's go, I'm ready.

All right.

My production run lasted for just five years

from 2016 to 2019.

My styling, I'm going to actually give you

the country right off the bat.

It was Japanese sports sedan.

Only offered from, you said?

16 to 19.

16 to 19, okay.

This particular version, okay.

Now the nameplate has history beyond that,

but this particular model.

And you said Japanese sedan.

Sports sedan.

Sports sedan, Japanese sports sedan.

Luxury.

Offered in America.

Luxury sports sedan, correct.

Offered in America.

Yeah, everything's a US spec.

Right, okay, yeah, I figured it's such.

Just want to make sure,

want my hints to be.

I gotcha.

This is to be valuable.

Let's see, between that year range,

Japanese sports sedan.

And Japanese, not Korean, right?

Correct.

Okay, because there's a Korean car

I can think of that fits right into those,

but that's not going to be it.

Sports sedan.

16 to 19, relatively new.

Values of these are starting to get affordable.

Really, okay.

So maybe they've depreciated a little bit,

but a Japanese sports sedan.

Let's see, we got Japanese, you got Toyota, Honda, I mean.

It helps narrow it down.

I'm going to have to think outside the box.

Can you give me the second hint?

Of course.

I came with a naturally aspirated V8,

pushing over 450 horsepower.

Oh, this has got to give it away

if it's a Japanese sports sedan

from that year, 400 horsepower V8.

Is it?

No, because this is older.

And you said the nameplate has history.

So, okay, I'm really going to have to think outside

the box for this one.

And it came with a V8.

My mind is stuck on Toyota.

So, that's really all that I can think through right now.

V8 luxury sedan from 2016, 2019.

Give me the third hint.

I'm rear-wheel drive with torque vectoring differential

and only came with an eight-speed automatic transmission.

So you said, okay, V8, Japanese V8.

Oh, once you tell me I know I'm going to be pissed

if I don't guess it.

Because I honestly, right now,

I don't have very much lined up.

Torque vectoring rear V8.

And that year range,

it seems like such a not Japanese car.

My first guess is ISF.

No.

No, okay, that would have been,

see, because that's older, right?

20, early 2010s.

Yeah, it's a great guess.

But, man, I have to be close.

You are extremely close.

Okay.

I said, like-

Remember, underrated, right?

So that, I guess you could say the ISF

is also underrated, yeah.

I feel, everybody appreciates the ISF though.

Man, if I'm extremely close,

then what does it gotta be?

If it's rear-wheel drive,

is it the,

oh, but you said it's a sedan.

Four doors.

Okay, what's the last hint?

My exhaust tips overlap one another on an angle

that is bespoke to my spec.

It's not an ISF?

No.

Oh my, what could it be then?

Which? It's not an ISF.

It's Japanese rear-wheel drive.

With the eight speed though, that's so weird.

Like you said, the ISF is like,

people know of it, right?

To clarify,

it's, okay, so eight speed.

It is Japanese, right?

It's not just Japanese designed

or some weird thing like that.

It's a Japanese car.

Yeah, and you are extremely close.

Oh my God.

It's the underrated.

So I feel like it's gotta be a Lexus then.

If it's, yeah,

but I don't know my Lexus models very well.

Clearly.

Yeah.

You got two more hints, man.

Okay.

I was gonna say Lexus LC.

Very close.

But that's a two door though.

It's not a sedan.

So put it this way.

You said the IS, you said the LC.

Okay.

What do you miss?

Is it the,

no, cause they don't make a SC.

Well, then that would have been a coupe too, so.

Right.

SC was sport coupe.

Is it a LS 500?

No.

That don't make such a thing, do they?

It is the Lexus GSF.

Oh, I would not have guessed that.

Really?

Yeah, yeah.

Really?

Cause I never knew that the GS came

with that engine and an eight speed

and torque vectoring rear suspension.

Yeah.

The GSF was pretty much the IS.

Right.

That's why I said you were extremely close.

And the name does have history.

So that, that makes sense.

Yeah.

With the Toyota, what is it?

The Aristo, I think is the Japanese name for it.

Yeah.

That's a good looking car.

Yeah.

So they only made it for five years.

I mean, you saw colors that were like orange.

So they had some unique colors for it.

Because the GSF was always like the sportier mid-sized

compared to the ES.

And then they discontinued it.

So clearly, people have forgotten about the GS.

Right.

But for the longest time, the GS was like,

you upgraded to the GS.

You know what I mean?

Like you didn't, you know.

It wasn't an entry level car by any means.

Cause if you had the IS 300, you might have been a kid

that just wanted a really cool car

that your moms could afford basically.

Yeah.

The GS, especially there was,

I mean, if you think back, there was a GS made

with the 430 engine, with the 460 engine.

Like they put the V8 from the LS, always in the GS.

Never in the IS, right?

The IS always got the six cylinder.

Right.

With the exception of the F.

With the exception of the F, which came later, right?

Right.

In its production run.

But the GSF, my buddy Andrew, he owns one.

He's owned one for a while.

And he just recently put a post out

and I was, you know, reading it.

And he's like, all I've done was just typical oil maintenance.

You know, this car has been just running like a top.

It never gives him problems.

And when you look at values, you compare a GSF,

let's say a 2016, a 2019 to let's say an E63,

like a E63 AMG, right?

Which would be the equal counterpart

or what it was competing with.

And like, give it, what?

Now it's 10 years, right?

2016's, look at the values.

Like the GSFs are so like expensive still,

like with the same miles.

They're ranging anywhere from like low, low end, 30,000.

Wow.

So normally they're trading around 60.

And they were what?

Like maybe a $9500,000 car new.

$95,000.

I don't know the exact MSRP.

Definitely up there though for a GS.

Yeah, I mean.

I mean the F had to have been the most premium model.

Yeah, $85,000.

There you go.

So they're just not depreciating, man.

I mean, now they're at that point

because like for so long, you're like,

why am I gonna buy a 10 year old Lexus

like for $65,000?

Feels a hell of a lot better

than buying a 10 year old Mercedes for that much.

Right, right.

But yeah, I mean, they're starting to get to a point

where if they have like 80,000 plus miles,

you're seeing them for around 30.

That would be a good car to buy

because I'm not scared of a 80,000 mile Toyota.

And it's not a, it's an old school Toyota too essentially,

right?

It just has an NAV8.

Toyota's always done pretty well with those.

Right.

So I say underrated simply because like you said,

the ISF is what gets old.

I didn't think of it.

So definitely underrated,

especially now that I'm hearing eight speed,

torque vectoring rear suspension,

limited production, relatively speaking, really cool.

Yeah, torque vectoring rear diff.

And then the styling,

it has the same exhaust tips as the ISF.

Like, you know, that's how you know.

And then like the brake calipers

will be like a bright orange color, you know?

Right, right.

So I think it has different interior seats.

But for the most part pretty subtle, like, you know,

it could be a car that you can have a kid in

and grow a family with.

And you know, you could put a car seat in the back

and when you want the power it's there.

When you don't, you don't have to push it, right?

So that's what I love about it.

That's a very traditional sedan.

Right.

So something we're not seeing as much of these days.

All right, man.

Okay, I got my next one for you.

In the U.S., I was an expensive toy for the 90s elite,

often seen park next to Porsches and Benzes.

And then I just said as a little parentheses,

it's worth mentioning that I wasn't unveiled in the 90s.

Hmm.

So mostly 90s.

Okay, but wasn't unveiled in the 90s.

And it's a toy for the U.S. elite.

I was a, in the U.S., I was an expensive toy

for the 90s elite, often seen park next to Porsches and Benzes.

Okay, Porsches and Benzes.

So I'm thinking BMW 7 Series wasn't revealed in the 90s though.

One of the 7 Series come out.

All right, go ahead, go ahead, Hintu.

Let's see.

Though I looked like a supercar,

I was actually a luxury grand tourer.

Ooh.

Okay, so no more 7 Series.

A luxury grand tour.

Okay, now this doesn't mean it's European.

Not necessarily, but I wouldn't rule it out.

You said Porsches and Benzes.

Often seen park next to those two.

Okay.

If we go to the Ritz Carlton,

we might see this car parked in the valet

next to some other nice stuff.

Did you say it was a luxury GT car?

I did.

What was it?

I said though I looked like a supercar,

I was actually a luxury GT car grand tourer.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

Okay, so I'm unveiled in the 80s,

but I was through the 90s.

Okay, I'm thinking Acura NSX, right?

That's definitely a luxury brand, right?

Looks like a supercar.

All right, I'm gonna go with Acura NSX.

I got three hints.

No, and it's not the NSX.

The NSX is a supercar.

Okay.

This one, once you hear it,

you'd think it's not a supercar,

but maybe if you saw it back in the day,

you'd be pretty impressed.

Gotcha.

All right, go ahead, Hint 3.

Okay, let's see.

I hope this doesn't give it away.

I was the first car developed using CAD.

Nissan 300ZX?

What?

The Nissan 300ZX was, it was unveiled in 90.

Damn, dude, that's crazy.

That kind of fits luxury grand tourer.

Yeah, it's a grand tourer, it's not a,

I mean, the looks, I guess you could say back then,

could have been supercar worthy.

Okay, so, damn, I wish I had the,

the country of origin.

You have more guesses.

Yeah.

No, I only have one more guess.

Damn, I shouldn't have said NSX.

All right, go ahead, Hint 4.

Okay, despite my looks, this is gonna give it away maybe.

Despite my looks, I was never offered

with a true M badge.

Oh, okay, so it's a beamer.

I was right, I was on track the first time,

then I went to Japanese cars.

Um, it's a grand tour,

I'm thinking grand tours are two doors.

So this has to be a six series.

Got one more, one more guess.

I'm thinking it through.

So the 90, I know the six series,

definitely is on the rated.

So it never got an M badge.

So you had the, what was the name

of the six series back then?

Trying to think of the numbers.

They had the 635 CSI.

It's probably the one most people think of.

Okay, so then it's not a six series.

It's not a six series.

Okay, it's not a six series.

So it's a coupe.

It's not a Z8, obviously that came later.

That's definitely super car.

Holy cow, how am I not getting this?

It's a BMW super car.

Oh, I know.

It's gotta be the 1M, the M1.

Nope.

Oh my God.

It's the BMW 850.

Oh my God.

They made an 850 back then?

V12, you could also get an 840.

Oh, yes.

If you said, if you said BMW 8 series,

I would have given it to you.

Yes.

I'm tripping.

Regardless of whether you gave me the 50 or the 40.

They had the CSI, the CSL or whatever it is.

That wasn't an M car.

Oh my gosh, totally didn't even think.

I thought I stopped that 6 series.

You were close.

Yeah, because they had the V12.

You would narrow it down to a large BMW coupe.

Because a 6 series I guess is larger than E30 or whatever.

Yeah, but then the M badge, I was like,

I just watched Jason Kamis' YouTube video

on his 8 series, how he has that CSL or whatever it is.

And it's not an M.

They never made an M8.

Three off.

Yeah, geez.

All right, good one, man.

No one's got one, we've stumped each other.

Going into round three.

Didn't you, oh no, yeah, you didn't guess my first one

and I didn't guess yours either, so.

All right, moving on to number three.

You ready?

Yeah.

All right, my production run began in the late 2000s

and lasted until 2013.

Pretty vague, no.

That's very vague.

No country of origin here.

And ore vehicle type.

Okay, I'm gonna need the next one right away.

But just to confirm, you said like 2009 to 2013.

Yes.

Is that exact?

I said late 2000s.

Okay.

So let me add something here.

My production run began in the late 2000s

and lasted until 2013.

And I only came, the version that I'm specifically

referring to came in a coupe and a convertible.

Well, let me rephrase.

Okay.

The car itself came in a coupe and a convertible,

but I'm gonna get to it eventually with other hints.

The performance version only came in a coupe.

Okay, that should be a pretty good hint.

Yeah, there you go.

So you could get this body style, this chassis

as a coupe or a convertible,

but only the performance model in a coupe.

Correct.

Okay, gotcha.

And I'm thinking late 2000s to early 2010s.

And a convertible in a base model, presumably.

And then a coupe only for the performance model.

And I need to guess the performance model specifically.

This is specifically gonna be that car.

Okay, gotcha.

I'll take the next hint.

My engine was a turbocharged three liter,

straight six producing more than 300 horsepower.

Oh.

So late 2000s to 2013, final year 2013.

Is it a, so you said I'm guessing,

so I'm guessing the performance version.

What comes to mind from an inline six turbo

from that time period is like a BMW 335i.

Is that your guess?

Yeah, that would be my first guess.

No.

It's not a performance version.

That would be the M.

Inline six, not very many people are making inline sixes.

So this can't be that hard.

And that was like the,

and the inline six turbo came in the flagship

performance model or variation.

So they came with a turbo even like, yeah.

So think of it as there's different layers

to the car trims, right?

Obviously there's some, there's a base model,

there's a non-base model,

and then there's even other versions

that are more performance oriented.

So I'm talking about the non-base model,

and then you'll understand like,

it's not just the performance version, right?

There's an upgraded version

that I feel like is the underrated car

because of the fact that it has good performance.

A leader inline six, turbo, not V6.

Yes.

Oh man, it has to be something,

has to be something Japanese, I wanna say.

No, you are on track.

Okay.

All right, I don't want you to get derailed.

Yeah.

Like I did.

Okay.

My first guess was,

oh, is it,

oh, the car I'm thinking of

was only available for like one year.

It's not the one M.

No, I only have one more guess now.

Okay, give me the last hint.

So think of it like this.

You actually have two more hints.

Okay.

Think of it like this.

That was a good guess, right?

Underrated, right?

I guess that you could say the one M,

they only made it for one year

and it's not, it's an M car, right?

It's obviously like really popular,

but you are on track.

Okay.

So I came standard with a six-speed manual

or the optional dual clutch automatic.

So now the one M obviously came,

man.

BMW M2.

Right.

No.

Okay, you stumped me.

No, you are so close, dude.

You're so close.

It has to be a BMW, but a turbo though.

In my last model year of 2013,

a more spirited version of me added 20 horsepower

and some performance upgrades,

the 135 IS or the 135 I.

So pretty much the one M, but not the one M.

Oh.

I guess I could give you half a point there.

I see, I see.

You kind of gave it away earlier

because you said something about one M or M1

and that popped into my head.

Yeah.

Well that would have had an inline six too.

No, exactly.

The one M obviously was the Holy Grail, right?

2013 only.

Maybe a half point.

Yeah, the 135 was in production for those years, right?

08 to I think 13.

But the IS came out with the 20 more horsepower later in 2013.

And not only the more horsepower,

it was like pretty much the M version.

Right, it had a wide body and everything.

Yeah, it had definitely suspension upgrades.

And I think the cool thing about the 135 IS

is it's significantly cheaper than the one M, right?

And you get pretty much the one M like, you know,

dumb down version.

Take it to your tuner and make the same amount of power.

Yeah, you know, so a 135 IS only one year

or even just any 135 high, right?

Like later versions I believe went to a single turbo

from I think it was N54, N55, something like that.

But for the most part like my good friend

who lived in the same apartment complex as me had one

and he had his completely modified with the intake

and all the stuff that, you know,

you wouldn't be able to smog it with.

And he only ran into problems once he had

all the aftermarket things on it.

Like stock, those cars are not too bad.

Like liability wise.

I agree.

You know, a straight six is less, you know, friction

in general.

Less vibration, very balanced.

Exactly, so when you think about the 135,

you know, you have a turbocharged inline six

in a BMW compact car, you know,

that still looks pretty good.

It looks pretty contemporary for a 20,

a car that came out in 08.

Yeah, very.

So, and that's going to be the E82.

Yeah. Right, 135 IS.

So you were super close.

I give you half a point.

Okay, sounds good.

Cause you're pretty much, it was the same car,

it was just the upgraded version.

So.

There was something I just want to say

in regards to inline sixes is I was watching

my favorite YouTuber the other day, Bill at Curious Cars.

And he said that you'd be hard pressed

to find a bad inline six.

Right.

Like even when you think about all manufacturers,

now I'm sure somebody listening

can maybe nitpick like one or two bad engines.

But for the most part, inline sixes

have always been pretty damn good

from every manufacturer.

I mean, you think of Datsun L series,

the four liter inline sixes from the Chrysler products.

Yeah, AMC started.

Yeah, you'd be kind of hard pressed

to find a bad inline six.

So.

Yeah.

Something like a 135.

Even though I'm not a beamer guys,

pretty easy sell for me.

Yup.

All right, man.

Your last one.

All right.

Let's do it.

You know what, it's funny

cause I think this will be

the easiest out of all of them.

Really?

I don't know.

You definitely have this car on your radar.

Okay.

Yeah.

Let's see.

I would say it's underrated too.

All right.

Okay.

My hood or grill, depending on year,

wears a star badge,

which only came on my model,

but I'm not a Mitsubishi.

A star badge.

Wow.

A star badge.

It's been on my radar, huh?

With a star.

I mean Subaru had stars.

Okay.

Go ahead with the second one.

Okay.

I could be purchased as a sedan

or a wagon, no coupe variant offered.

Okay.

A sedan or a wagon.

I was thinking SVX,

but that was only coupe on a star on it.

Hmm.

The not Mercedes, obviously,

not the Mercedes triangle.

A star.

A not Mitsubishi.

Is it time?

Is it time and star motors?

I'll give you a hint.

Yeah.

That doesn't count as one of your four hints.

It's a, this star badge was model specific.

Don't think too much about brand name.

Right.

I got you.

Cause even like Plymouth,

you could say it was a star, right?

Cause that was a five, you know,

or Dodge technically,

they both use the same name.

Yeah, kind of star.

Yeah.

All right.

And what was that last hint you said?

The last one that I said was

I could be purchased as a sedan

or a wagon, no coupe.

Okay.

A sedan or a wagon.

So trying to think of like a car,

like a company that had its own,

like how Mustang has a horse.

The Buick Riata had the R.

So it has like a bespoke logo for that car,

which was a star.

That's correct.

Wow.

And this is an easy,

I hate when you say it's this easy one

cause now it's like more pressure.

All right, go ahead.

Number three.

Okay.

I'm considered to be one of the first

luxury cars from my country,

but I don't wear a luxury badge.

Oh.

Do you didn't give me years, right?

No.

Okay.

I'm gonna throw one out there.

Okay.

Wait.

First luxury car,

you didn't give me any like decade, right?

So what was the first thing you could do?

I mean, you can assume

that I'm not going back to like the 20s.

Yeah, no, I know.

I know.

I got a few in my mind and a Japanese.

Okay.

What was the first year?

I mean the first hint.

I don't know off the top.

First hint, okay.

My hood or grill, depending on the year,

wears a star badge, which only came on my model.

Not a Mitsubishi.

The Hyundai, I'm not gonna guess this

cause the Equus, I'm just thinking it through

had like wings.

It was unique, but it wasn't a star.

It was like, like kind of like this weird like wing.

All right.

So then Toyota had,

was the Cressida and the Crown, were they stars?

And this is US spec?

Yes.

All right.

Go ahead, hint for, fuck it.

My successor, who I'm often mistaken for

was more mass produced and front wheel drive.

So this car was rear wheel drive.

Based on my hint.

My successor.

I put successor in quotes.

Right.

Technically successor, but I would consider it

a step backwards.

It was the mass producer.

Okay.

More mass produced, front wheel drive,

similar profile and look, size.

I'm gonna say Toyota Crown.

Crown?

I'm close.

That's your second guess.

No, that was my first guess.

Oh, it is your first.

Right, yeah.

The Crown because it had the,

it was definitely the first luxury.

All right, then.

But we know it's an American market car.

Was the Crown American?

No, you're right.

You're right.

That's right.

Now, because you said successor

and now that the Crown came out,

I'm thinking, and it wasn't as good.

All right, Toyota Cressida.

You got it.

There it is.

Toyota Cressida.

I was talking it through.

I was like, it's gotta be one of those.

Yeah, yeah.

And I know we got the Cressida.

I thought the one about the Camry would give it away.

That was the car that it looked like.

Yeah.

I was trying to think of the successor,

but then I was thinking,

but it maybe it kept the same name plate.

And that's why I said Crown.

I did say, oh, no, I didn't say anything

about the name changing.

You're right.

I think when I wrote these out earlier,

I had one that mentioned the name change.

So it changed the name plate,

but still was a volume.

It kind of like the Camry sort of like filled in.

Yeah.

The Cressida's place in the Toyota lineup.

Yeah, I gotcha.

Yeah.

The Cressida was essentially,

at least in the US,

the first time a Toyota car came here

as a luxury vehicle.

I would say so.

Like that wasn't Lexus, obviously.

Interesting.

At least one of the first widely successful ones.

I remember seeing that white one.

I think we talked about it on Facebook, right?

Cause that's what made you say it was on my radar.

It was one on Marketplace.

Maybe it wasn't white,

but it wasn't that long ago.

It was on Marketplace.

Nice Cressida that you sent me.

Yeah.

Maybe that's why it rings a bell.

I just feel like I'd never see them.

Like they just didn't produce enough for it

to carry over into the 90s and 2000s.

They were problematic to a lot of people.

I have a friend who owns one that's 2JZ swapped,

2JZ Turbo swapped,

and he said that like the stock Cressida engine,

I don't know my Toyota engine codes,

but he's like they blow head gaskets.

Really?

Like everybody, yeah, they always blow head gaskets

according to some people.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I think it's, I mean on the radar in a sense

that at least the car is unique, right?

So no one's ever talking about them,

but then you see like Toyota badge.

Well, it's gotta be reliable.

It's gotta be somewhat durable of a car

that I can risk buying one.

Cause that those came out in the 80s, right?

Late 80s.

Yeah.

Had to be before the LS 400.

Yes.

Right.

That's what replaced it actually.

That's what would have replaced it, I suppose.

Yeah.

Well, I guess, so I got one point

cause I guessed it on the final hint.

You were the winner.

And you got half a point, right?

Cause technically, you know, the 1M is the 135 on steroids.

Well, you know what, I,

so you said that the 1M was the last year model

of the car you were talking about, right?

And the 135 IS.

Okay.

Both were only 2013.

Yeah.

Gotcha.

Okay.

All right.

Good game.

That was a good one.

Yeah. No, it was good.

It was very, it was really good.

Obviously it would have been great if we had, you know,

a third wheel here.

So unfortunately we thought.

That's all right.

Next time.

But yeah, I mean, here's my thought.

When I think of underrated cars,

I feel like it helps us like kind of

broaden our horizon, right?

We start thinking of all these other models

that like existed that are affordable

that we can, you know, on a budget

to be able to get into and have seat time in

and see what a luxury Toyota looked like in the 80s, you know,

or see what it was like owning the police version of,

you know, a very popular taxi car, right?

Or cab, you know, and then you look at like the GSF

and all these other cars

that you think luxury sports sedans

and no one's making luxury sports sedans anymore,

you know, like the Cadillac CT5 Blackwing,

that's probably going to be it.

The IS 500s already,

I think announced it's going to be discontinued.

And like Genesis came out with the,

they had the, I think it was the smaller displacement

two liter Genesis, was it the G70?

Had a stick, right?

Those even came with a manual.

Really?

I didn't know that.

So they were a little bit more sporty, you know?

Another honorable mention is the Kia K900 or K500.

Yeah.

It's a 471 horsepower NAV8 rear wheel drive

from Kia.

Right.

I think it was the,

I don't know if we got the K500.

I know the K900 for sure.

K900, is that what it is?

Yeah.

A lot of those Genesis is used like the big body ones,

the Korean versions, right?

Cause you even now have like the G90

and you have all these other like luxury models

that now are going after like really upscale like.

BMW or Mercedes, yeah.

They look like Rolls Royces.

The SUVs certainly do.

Yeah.

So what else?

The other one that you mentioned earlier

was the first one, the Volvo.

Oh yeah, the Bertone.

Yeah.

Like I never even knew Bertone designed a Volvo, you know?

So that's awesome.

Kind of out of, a little bit out of character for Volvo.

Yeah, definitely.

And that helps.

When you do your car spotting,

I feel like you're able to see,

wow, like I didn't even know this existed.

You know, it kind of helps you educate yourself.

Totally.

It definitely does.

I recognize most cars,

but there's times where I see a car

where I can't put my finger on it.

Yeah.

Or I guess it confidently and I'm wrong.

Yeah.

So yeah, it's a great way to learn.

Well, another reason for you to, you know,

keep your geo storm restored and looking good

because it's going to turn heads no matter what,

just because of how, you know,

unique and obscure that car is.

So when people see it,

they're going to want to know what the hell is that,

right?

Like I had a guy just now

when I went to the Mexican place next door,

like giving a thumbs up.

And I didn't know he knew what it was,

but he probably never saw it before,

but he was looking at it and he was like, you know,

I don't even know if he spoke English

cause when he ordered in front of me,

he was only speaking in Spanish.

So I don't even know if the Milano wasn't Mexico

or if it was even out here in California

because yeah, it was a US car.

Obviously they sold them all over,

but I feel like only Italians bought them.

You know, I told you for the blog,

like it's one of those cars where people don't know

what they were because no one was buying them

unless you were Italian from, you know,

with maybe an Italian father or grandfather,

you know, that remembers the brand, you know?

So when you think about just underrated cars,

chances are it's probably underrated

because it was obscure, you know, and no one bought them.

So like thinking today,

like what car is today that no one's buying that?

A lot of underdogs.

Yeah, I mean, you could think of,

like I think of the Acura NSX.

I know that's not, you know, a cheap car,

it's expensive still, but the new Acura NSX,

like nobody bought them.

Like when you see one, like even like a car weekly,

I think I only saw one, you know?

And it's a pretty modern car.

It's a great looking car too with that.

I mean, it sticks to kind of what the NSX originally was

and does it in a modern way and looks good doing it.

Yeah.

I don't have any complaints about it.

I imagine in like 10 years from now,

people are gonna be like, that's super underrated.

It will be sought after, guaranteed, yeah.

Cause I don't think they're getting,

they're not getting LFA numbers, right?

They're not that expensive.

No, no, LFAs are like insanely, absurdly expensive.

Yeah, they shot up.

Cause that's another one of those underrated cars,

like at least for the sound, right?

I think the LFA one day is gonna be like F40 status.

Really?

Yeah, yeah.

Honestly, I do.

I think it will be just because every journalist

I've ever heard from, including that gentleman

we took the drive in and the Cadillac Celestic,

who was a stunt driver, he said that the LFA was

probably his favorite car he's ever driven.

Right, I remember that.

And other journalist, I think Jeremy Clarkson

or one of the top gear guys said the same exact thing.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I don't disagree with the fact

that it could be like F40, like, not an F40 status.

That part I disagree, cause that's millions.

But I could see it being up there,

like hitting high, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Right?

I don't know about millions.

It already is though.

So that's why I'm thinking even possibly millions.

Not anytime soon.

I'm not telling you that a LFA is gonna be worth

a million dollars next year.

But sometime in my lifetime, as long as car enthusiasm,

car enthusiasm is going, I think it'll be,

it'll get really expensive.

Cause there's always a fine line between

low production cars that just, it wasn't that many out there.

So people don't know of them because

they weren't just produced in low numbers.

Yeah, bad marketing or whatever.

Yeah, or just like it was a Ferrari F40, you know,

they only made X amount of them.

But then there's the cars that just didn't sell.

So that's why they weren't produced, you know?

So the NSX hybrid, the one that came out most recently,

that was a car that they just didn't sell, right?

It's not like, you know, Ford came out and said,

well, we're gonna make only 500 Ford GTs, right?

No, like they just didn't sell.

So usually the cars that don't do well,

like the clown shoes, another perfect example.

No one bought a clown shoe because they thought it was ugly.

But now as time has gone on, car enthusiasts

haven't seen that design language ever again.

Long hood and a short little stumpy butt,

like that looks cool now, you know?

So now they're starting to pick up steam

and they're getting double of roadsters.

Same engine, same chassis,

but because it's a clown shoe,

you know, M-Coups are getting way more than the roadsters.

So, yeah, I mean, it's interesting to see

what will be the next like underrated car

that people like didn't buy today, but, you know,

love them or they're super sought after in like 10, 15 years.

So, all right, well, appreciate it.

Mainstay Dillon for being back.

Thanks for having me.

We went 112.

Oh, cool.

Wow, that's great.

Yeah, right?

It goes by really fast.

Until next time on the Analog in Grit podcast.

We'll see you next week.

Peace.

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