The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that many people admire for its speed and style. It has been around for a long time and is known for being fun to drive while also being comfortable enough for daily use.
New car fever is the strong excitement people feel when they get a new car. It can make them think they will love the car forever, but sometimes that feeling fades and they realize it wasn't the best choice.
Coilovers are parts of a car's suspension that help control how the car rides and handles. They can be adjusted to change how high or low the car sits and how stiff or soft the ride feels.
Ceramic coating is a special liquid that you put on your car to protect the paint and make it shiny. It helps keep your car clean and safe from the sun's rays.
The Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 is a sporty car that is very fun to drive. It has a strong engine and is built for people who love speed and handling on the road or track.
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Porsche is a well-known car brand that makes fast and stylish cars. They are famous for their sports cars, especially the 911 model.
The BMW X5 M is a fast and powerful SUV that combines the features of a sports car with the space and utility of an SUV. It's designed for people who want both speed and practicality.
Fog lights are special lights on a car that help you see better when it's foggy. They shine low to the ground to reduce glare and help you see the road ahead.
Wheel and tire fitment means making sure the wheels and tires you choose will fit your car correctly. It involves checking sizes and shapes to ensure they work well together and with your vehicle.
H4 headlights are a kind of light bulb used in cars. They can switch between bright and dim lights, which helps you see better at night or in bad weather.
G-body cars are a type of car platform made by General Motors that were popular in the late 70s and early 80s. They are known for being rear-wheel drive and sharing parts among different models.
The G-series refers to a group of cars built on the G-body platform by General Motors, including popular models like the Monte Carlo. They are recognized for their sporty design and performance.
Valved exhausts are special exhaust systems that can change how loud or quiet your car sounds. They have valves that open or close to control the noise.
Porsche Motorsport is the part of Porsche that focuses on racing and high-performance cars. They create cars that are designed to go fast and sound great.
A Fister exhaust is a special type of exhaust system that you can add to a Porsche car. It makes the car sound louder and sportier, which many drivers enjoy.
Porsche Sport Exhaust is a special exhaust option for Porsche cars that makes the engine sound louder and sportier. It's a popular choice for people who want their car to sound more exciting while driving.
The Porsche 944 is a type of sports car made by the German company Porsche. It was built in the 1980s and 1990s and is known for being fun to drive and having a good balance.
A switchable exhaust lets you change how loud your car sounds. You can make it louder for fun driving or quieter when you just want to drive home peacefully.
The Porsche 356 is an older sports car that was made starting in 1948. It's important because it was the first car made by Porsche and is loved by many for its classic look and great driving experience.
Bushings are small parts that help connect different parts of a car's suspension. They help make the ride smoother and quieter, but they can wear out and need to be replaced, especially in older cars.
The Dodge Ram is a big truck that people use for work and hauling things. It's known for being tough and having a nice inside, which makes it good for both driving around and doing heavy jobs.
The Porsche Boxster is a two-seater convertible sports car that lets you enjoy driving with the top down. It's a more affordable option compared to other Porsches, making it a great choice for people who want a fun car without breaking the bank.
The Porsche 911 GT3 is a super-fast version of the regular 911 sports car, built for people who love racing and want a car that handles really well. It's known for being very exciting to drive and has special features that make it even better on the track.
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Welcome to Renthousiast Radio, the podcast where Will and Derek navigate the winding roads of Porsche Obsession.
Exploring the good and the bad of Porsche ownership.
Grab your favorite beverage, pull up a chair and join us.
Renthousiast Radio, because life's too short not to talk about Porsches.
Welcome to Renthousiast Radio.
I'm Will and I'm Derek.
Y antes de...
Normalmente, antes de empezar nuestro episodio, Derek y yo vamos a entrar.
Y antes de empezar recordar, hablamos un poco sobre el tema y cómo vamos a posicionarlo.
Y lo que queremos...
¿Cómo queremos hacerlo sexo o interesante a los escuchadores?
Y en este episodio, era como...
Hablamos sobre cómo posicionarlo.
Así que creo...
Y voy a entrar en un segundo.
Pero creo que esta conversación será una conversación muy interesante,
una conversación orgánica que tendremos en exactamente lo que hablamos hoy.
Y creo que el tema es realmente sobre cómo hacer que el Porsche se fíjese más.
Hemos hecho un episodio de modificación.
No sé, no sé...
¡Oh, Dios mío!
¿Verdad? No estoy seguro.
Pero en eso, cuando hablábamos...
Y fue la última semana.
Ok.
No lo sabía, fue hace un tiempo.
Esa fue un largo tiempo.
Era más de una cosa de dos y dos.
Y quizá una amiga de Vantor en el cuarto, sobre si o si no.
En esta conversación, vamos a hablar de nuestra experiencia
en encargar estos carros a través de muchas generaciones.
Vamos a hablar de lo que hemos encontrado en hacer estos carros más carros.
Focussed.
Derek.
Am I on point there?
Yeah, absolutely.
I especially like that you shared with the audience that you and I get together
and talk about how we can make it sexy for the audience.
I think that's the most important with this podcast.
Keep it sexy.
Yep, keep it sexy.
Two middle-aged dudes on camera.
Thank God for the Spotify folks, you know, they don't have to look at our faces.
Not sexy.
It's true.
We're keeping it sexy.
Hey listen, our female audience has went from one to three percent.
So we're doing something right.
That's right, three percent.
That's right.
Yes, you are on point.
You know, it's one of those things where you want a Porsche.
You get a Porsche.
You're so excited.
It's going to get delivered before the cars you've had at your house.
You are looking at all of the Porsche aftermarket providers and looking at
all the cool things you can do to the car.
You're reading on the forums.
The rentless must-do checklist, but you're also reading on the forums
all the things that, you know, really need to be addressed or look
really cool and you should do it.
You don't know where to start.
It's exciting.
It's expensive.
And so Will and I were kind of talking about, well, listen,
if, you know, Will's about to be the recipient potentially of a new car.
I'm looking for another car.
When we get them, what are the things you look at?
You know, what are the things that, if you're going to drive it,
if you are a claimed driver and you're going to drive those cars,
what should you look at first to kind of bring the most out of the car
in its original state before you start going off the deep end with
everything else?
So, we are going to talk about that today.
It actually dovetails nicely, Will, into your recent Renthusias
video on your YouTube channel about your 997.
You got it back with all of your mods that you did to it.
Some were necessary.
Some were really value add.
So, everyone go check that out.
Also check out my YouTube, 11 after 9.
And please pick it up sharing all this with your podcast friends
and driving groups on the audio side on Apple podcasts and Spotify
and everywhere you guys get your podcasts.
Will, you want to set the tone a little bit about
when you get your first car that your mindset coming into it?
Yeah, I fell into this trap back in 18 when I picked up my 993,
which was my first call at real Porsche.
It got me into the community, got me into the culture, got me into,
you know, how people dial these cars in and make them their own.
And, you know, what it is, is in my case, I was just so excited
and so grateful and so like I couldn't, I was pinching myself
like how could I finally afford, in my case,
the car that was hot, the 911 that was hot when I was in high school,
which was that 993.
You know, as soon as the car arrived, I started coming up with all sorts of plans
about how I was going to make the car better and make the car mine.
And, quite frankly, I went too far with it
and it was not exactly a well thought out process.
It was one of these things where, well, I can do it, so I will do it.
Y, en retrospect, I wasted a lot of money
and I just didn't really know what I was doing.
I get a lot of messages and you're starting to get them too, Derek,
on people are listening to us for whatever reason.
People have been watching me for whatever reason on my YouTube channel
and so for whatever reason they think I know what I'm talking about
and that's a whole different topic because maybe I don't.
But at any rate, they're getting their first Porsche
and they're so excited
and the car hasn't even landed at their house,
they're going to need a transport or whatever
and they're already planning all these things
that they're going to do to it to make it better
and make it theirs.
And I just think back to my experience,
that's a big mistake.
Number one, you don't know what you're doing,
but number two, we all get new car fever.
You and I were just talking about this.
New car fever is the car lands and man,
you're going to, and I am the worst about this.
Love this car so much.
I'm going to keep it forever.
Well, why is it a mistake to go very deep, very fast?
It could be that once a new car fever wears off,
you find that the car is not the right one for you
and you want to bounce into another model.
So, that is what comes to my mind right out of the gate.
What's been your experience?
Yeah, and also kind of pulling off that point
just to consider that a lot of people will start to,
they'll have new rims ordered,
they'll have their suspension,
their coilovers ordered.
So, when the car gets there,
it immediately goes to the shop to get quote unquote sorted.
And I think there's different ways to look at the car
when you sort the car.
You can definitely bring it to your shop when you get it,
which is important,
but bring it to an indie or a Porsche dealer
that understands what the car should drive like stock,
if the car is in fact stock that you're getting
or fairly original.
And have them bring that to the best possible case
and be in that shape.
Because you want to experience that car
as it came off the line from Porsche as Porsche intended.
And after you drive it for a while,
and I think you and I both agree on this, Will,
drive the car for a while and find out what the car is
before you start to change it and make it yours,
because it might be that you really love it
as it was intended from the factory
and if you did make mods,
maybe that would make that less attractive to you
and you would fall out of love with it.
But you'll never know if your mods make you love the car
or not unless you know where it started from.
And so, it's always been your advice,
I've heard for a long time on this podcast,
drive the car for a while before you do anything
and get the sense of the car
and then decide where you want to go from
or go from there.
This is a weird time of year.
It's actually kind of a depressing time in New England
while I'm not going to lie.
I mean, outside of the time change,
it's dark when you wake up,
it's dark before you get home from work.
I woke up this morning to 30 degrees.
It's a weird time right now
because it hasn't snowed yet.
It's snowing in the higher elevations right now.
So like all the mountains in New Hampshire
and Maine and Vermont have snow.
But the lower elevations where I am don't,
but you know any day salt's going to be on the road.
So this is like a weird time
where we're kind of like putting our cars away.
We're getting our last drives
and like every morning we wake up, we're like,
do you think I can get a drive in today
before the salt hits the roads?
So my mind starts to think about,
I'm not really getting something
and things I can do to my cars
for next season that I can address
for drivability reasons.
So one question that I really get quite a bit
and I just want to throw this out there
because I do think it's on a lot of people's minds.
People don't really understand
when they should use PPF on a car,
when they should use ceramic on a car,
when they should just detail a car
and to what extent,
because if they're buying it from a dealer
or the dealer's like, yeah, we can do this,
we can throw all these packages on, let's get this done
and I think I want to drive it
and I want to protect it, what do I do?
Do you want to weigh in on that at all
because you have extensive experience
with PPF and ceramic?
I mean,
I feel that ceramic is a little bit of snake oil.
So, you know, it is probably,
it is a great product
for the detailing crowd out there.
It does make washing the car a lot easier.
The water beads, it goes right off of it
when you hit it with a pressure washer and some soap.
I mean, does it make it gleam more, I guess maybe.
I just, for me and my use case,
ceramic doesn't do much for me
because I'm a PPF guy and why is that?
Because, you know, I go driving in my cars
following my friends on, you know, back country roads.
Derek, you were with us
which, by the way, you're going to be really jealous.
We are going driving this weekend
for five of us.
I'm taking the 997.
You got Derek taking his 993.
Sean taking his 993.
Now, the dude's bringing his GT4.
So, I'm actually...
Well, did you just hear me say
that I'm falling into a seasonal depression up here
because I have to put my car away
and then you throw that at me?
What kind of a friend are you?
Yeah, dude, well, I'm going to say this
that you did give me pause for thought.
I jumped on my phone while I was listening to you talk
and I checked on the salt.
So, it did snow up in the higher elevations up there.
It should melt by the time we go up.
But salt was a really big, really good catch.
Thank you for that.
But at any rate, when I...
Yeah, dude, when I go driving,
what's happening is I'm getting little stones
and such thrown at the car.
And, you know, if I care about the paint,
for me PPF is essential
because PPF will actually shield the paint
from stones getting peppered, patina.
And ceramic just isn't going to do that.
And I just...
What'll happen is my guy who puts PPF on,
I think he'll just throw some ceramic over top of the PPF.
And that's fine, but I really don't ask for it.
And those are my two cents.
They're on ceramic versus PPF.
Can I put my pocket protector in for you?
Yeah, dude.
And I'm going to disagree.
I think you've talked about,
oh, it protects the paint.
No, it doesn't.
From flying debris.
Oh, no.
No, you're right.
No, no, you're right.
No, it doesn't.
No.
And not at all.
You know how I know that, Will,
and I'll probably...
I'll try to take a picture of this
and put it on the YouTube video.
The front of my 1972, 9-11,
which is ceramic coated,
I have giant paint chips on the front hood
after driving behind you Hoonigans
down in North Carolina
because, yeah, those rocks get kicked up
and it took a lot of very old paint with it.
So this is how I think of it.
If you are just meeting a girl
and you're starting to date her,
that's your brand new car.
Get a good detail.
Get it color corrected or buffed.
Get the interior done.
Make it look as beautiful as possible
and leave it there and drive it for a while.
And that's if you're dating a girl.
If you think this girl might be for you
and you're thinking about buying that ring,
get the ceramic done,
but you don't think you're going to marry her,
you can get that car ceramic.
And what ceramic really does
is it seals the paint,
all those pores in the paint
that catch the dirt and the iron
and all of the detritus from the road.
It puts a very hard coating on it,
so you're right.
So when you're detailing it,
it cleans a lot easier.
Bird crap comes off it a lot easier.
Hopefully sap if you are stupid enough
to park under the occasional tree.
If you can put a ring on that finger,
you get a PPF.
Because PPF gives you a literal layer
over your paint.
It's going to protect from
to a small extent,
to maybe a medium extent,
some impact resistance from road debris.
And the question is,
how much do you do?
Because if you PPF a whole car,
it is big money,
you know, 6, 7, 8 grand,
maybe 9 grand depending on your car.
Or do you just get the front clip done
where you do the front hood,
the front mirrors and always with Porsche,
you have to do in front of the rear wheels
because you have the coke body shape of the car.
Those catch a lot of rocks,
especially from your own front wheels.
And so that's why a lot of times
Porsche from the factory has
some manner of rock protection
on those front,
sorry, the rear haunches.
But if you're going to spend the money on PPF,
you should ceramic coat over it.
And for that reason,
because that plastic that you're putting down
has pores too.
I think of it like scotch tape well,
like if you put scotch tape
and you drop it and it lands face down
and it picks up little fibers
from your desk or the floor,
that's kind of like your PPF over time.
And so if you can lock in a really hard
ceramic coating over it,
makes it easier to clean,
keeps it from getting crapped up.
And if you do it to your wheels,
it helps with brake dust.
And if you do it to your windshield,
it also helps with cleaning your windshield too.
That's kind of my take on that.
I bought this F85 X5M BMW,
which is a super natural.
They call it a sports activity vehicle
and what it was is
it was the M5 Competition
powertrain and so forth
thrown into an X5 chassis
and or body.
And whatever about all that,
but I did go for the whole like,
oh my God, I love this thing
with ceramic coated.
Dude, the ceramic coating
began to fail very quickly,
although it was a three year product
or whatever the hell it was,
on the vertical panels.
And so, you know,
it stopped beating off
and you know,
that just turned me off
a whole idea
because I was really hoping to get
at least at ease.
It was carbon black,
I think they call it,
dark, dark, dark, dark blue.
But anyway,
I was unimpressed.
I mean, I'm not going to sit here
and say I have passionate
anti feelings about ceramic,
but I'm just not interested.
I PPFed my entire 993
and I PPFed my entire GT Ford.
So you're right,
you're talking about like
four to six grand depending.
My 993 was really well done,
by the way.
I don't think there's a template
where he had to hand cut much of it.
But, I mean, fine,
like he puts ceramic on it.
I mean, I'm still getting
micro etching, okay,
on top of the PPF.
It just is what it is.
It's too bad.
But I will say this,
it's funny.
You know, the weekend
you and I went driving
with my friends before Luft.
I had the entire car PPFed
with the exception of
the turbo brake ducts.
So these are like little,
they're taken from
the 993 turbo
and I think the C4S
and they replaced
the fog lights on the C2.
So the fog lights over the years
with those C2s will yellow.
And it's just really
disrupted the front end.
Whereas these scoops have like,
it's a really neat design.
It's designed to let air flow
into the brakes, I think.
But it also has these
really interesting little fog lights
that are LED and they look cool.
But whatever,
I didn't get around.
I bought the turbo in takes
after I had the full car PPFed
and I really meant to,
I had the brakes
at the ducts painted
to match the car.
And I really meant to take those
pieces out and have them PPFed
and I didn't.
So the front end of the car
is immaculate after all those stones
thrown at it.
Totally fine.
The ducts, so those plastic pieces
are now chipped to hell.
I'm gonna have to take them off
and have them painted.
So, I mean,
and I'm talking about big chips.
It is real.
It is real.
And so, you know,
if you're a driver,
I would strongly look at
at least the front clip
of the PPF,
ceramic coating.
Ok, cool.
If you're into it,
that's awesome.
I just don't really spend my money on it.
So, those would be
my final thoughts on it.
I will say the final thought
I have on ceramic coating
is there's a ton of products
out there
and just like anything,
some are better than others
and every detailer will claim
that they have the best.
And it is also extremely dependent
on the operator
in terms of who puts it on
and how they put it on.
A lot don't let it cure.
A lot don't,
you know, might skip a step.
Generally,
I wouldn't,
I would go to an independent person
to have it done.
I wouldn't do it at a dealer
unless it was a Porsche dealer
that knew what they were doing.
But that for me,
that's going to someone
who does this every day,
day in and day out
and they stand behind their product.
Because I do think ceramic works.
It's just not protective
in terms of from impacts.
And so,
shifting gears will,
the other thing that I look at
and this is dependent
on your age of Porsche is,
still staying on the outside
of the car is,
do you,
would you consider changing
your headlights?
And by that I mean,
I have a 1972 out there
in the dark.
The headlights are absolute crap.
They look great.
They're the old yellow headlights.
You know,
they look very vintage
and very period.
But from a driving standpoint,
I can't see anything at night.
I have to drive around
with my high beams on
and even then it's very poor.
And so,
I'm going to probably go
with a greater halogen bulb.
I don't think I'm going to
swap out to the LEDs,
but something else that I consider
on those old cars.
How about you?
How often are you driving at night?
I like to drive my cars.
I really do.
And sometimes I'll go for a drive
after dinner
and I'll come home when it's dark.
Or I'll drop the kids off
or I'll pick the kids up
from soccer practice
when it's dark in them.
Because I don't care
if my kids get in the car
with cleats on,
whatever.
I'll just vacuum it.
So believe it or not,
more than you think.
Well, I'll roll
with my brights on at all times
because quite frankly,
I think the brights on at all
times in the older cars,
at least,
they're not even as bright
as some of these
like new truck headlights
that just hammer you.
It's like, is this guy's
brights on or no?
So I don't care about that.
You know,
I'll touch on like
the cosmetic improvement
you can make with headlights
to certain generations.
But I'll say this,
here I am Mr. Driver.
I don't really drive a lot
at night here
in North Carolina
because we have a deer problem.
And I've actually hit two deer
over the course of my life.
And the last,
and in fact,
I was on a rally
a couple of years ago
during the day.
Dude had a beautiful longhood.
You know,
it was customized
to some degree
and he was a gorgeous car
and he had,
he was driving
in his driving group
and a deer jumped out
of the woods,
hit his A-pillar
and rolled over
the top of the car.
It smashed the A-pillar.
So enjoy that.
Yeah.
So in other words,
like I don't know, man,
during the summer
I will drive at night,
but you know,
it's, I don't know,
sun's going down
by like 8.30 or 9.
So by that point in time
I'm ready to chill anyway.
So you know,
I think
it's not a huge concern
for me.
I think maybe
if somebody's more
safety conscious
or they're planning
on driving a lot at night
maybe you take a look at that.
I have a little bit
of a mental block.
It's kind of like,
you know,
wheel and tire fitment.
For me,
whatever,
after all these years
it's still a mystery.
Some guys can just
rattle the numbers off.
I don't get it.
Offset.
Tire size.
It's kind of like that
with me
and what are called
H4 headlights
that you can put on
like the
the G-body cars,
the G-series,
you know,
the upright headlights.
So as they come
from the factory
oftentimes you have
what's called sugar scoops
which are awesome
from a period
correct standpoint
but they don't look
as cool.
So
Derek,
since you are so
proficient with the facts
and figures
maybe you can weigh in
but I do know that I'll
like for instance
I'm hopefully
closing in on a pretty
cool target
and you know
I will be putting
H4s on the car.
Yep.
I think it changes
the look.
The sugar scoops
they kind of go over
the top of the
front headlights
so you just
really just have these
circles where the H4s
have more of an
exposed lens.
They have H1s,
H4s.
I think that's
I think that's
a very
driver focused
upgrade
that is important
for the car.
I think it makes
look cooler
but it's also like a
functional upgrade
which is exactly
what we're talking
about today.
Moving on Will
let's talk about
sound
and character of the car
when it comes
to upgrades
that you might do
not
just to do them
but when it makes
sense to
look at
cross pipes
valved exhausts
permanent exhausts
the sound of your car
and what makes a difference
maybe intake mods
like the famous
Porsche Motorsport
sound
intake
and things like that
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I'm just sitting here
listening to you man
I mean there would be
a time in my life
where I would say
it's 100% essential
that's the first thing
you would do
blah blah blah blah
I um
On my 997.2
the Carrera S
that I have
the manual car
that particular generation
with that motor doesn't
make a lot of cool noises
so exhaust for me
was like at the top
of the list of things
to do once I dealt
with some of the repairs
the 993
I don't know
the stage 3
fister exhaust
is just
it's next level
in terms of what
it can get out of the car
for me that's essential as well
I mean
I
when I'm hunting
a newer Porsche
where PSE
Porsche Sport Exhaust
is available on the car
I'm looking hard
for one with PSE
so I mean as I'm talking
about it I guess
there aren't many
Porsches that I would leave
the stock exhaust
or that I would hope
to have the stock exhaust
note on
now I have not
I mean I have a GT4
so I'll talk about
that in a moment
but I imagine the GT cars
they scream
I mean that's
that's a whole
different conversation
but I think those cars
come right from the factory
my GT4 has PSE on it
my 991.2 has PSE on it
I had a 981 Spyder
2016 Boxer Spyder
and I
that had PSE
the PSE plus the top down
best sound I've ever
heard in my life
so I mean
I'm an exhaust guy
I think you gotta
I wanna go back
to a point we made
and I think you're
gonna agree with me
let's just pick a number
buy your car
drive it 2,000 miles
before you start digging into
all these things
because
you're gonna break things
and you wanna handle
the things you break
sensors or whatever the hell
else you're gonna break
before you start buying exhaust
but yes
I would put exhaust at the top
of my list
yeah
I put six months on it
drive it for six months
really give it time
and live with it
let it breathe
I'll never forget
when I bought my
first real Porsche 944
I was searching for
an exhaust
of course I didn't have
exhaust so I was looking at
auto zone
to get an auto zone exhaust
to put it on
because I didn't know
any better
did you put in the
license for it too
of course man
you got a role
we talked about
the detachable faceplate
stereo last week
so within the first
two weeks
the window regulator
failed
and I couldn't put
my window up or down
and I didn't know how
to do it myself
at that point
and so I brought it
to a shop
and I think the car
cost me whatever it was
so there you go
and so yes
live with it
make sure you break everything
that's going to break
and then you start doing the upgrades
as far as exhaust
you said PSE
poor sport exhaust
that is an option
that is from the factory
it can be added later
at great cost
to cars
not worth it
not worth it
not worth
prohibitive
in terms of expense
$5,000 or $6,000
usually because
it's a valved exhaust
and it runs to a button
in the console
you have to program
and you have to run wiring
and all that stuff
I find when I'm looking for a Porsche
Will
if it doesn't have PSE
I'm almost not interested
unless it's a car
that I know
that I can easily mod
with an aftermarket exhaust
like a fister exhaust
it's that good
I love the fact
that when I start
the car up here
or when I come home
I can turn it off
and when I'm out
ripping on the roads
I can turn it on
I love that switchable exhaust
I think
here's my advice
when it comes to exhaust
I do think that they're
very important
not for performance
Porsche has rung out
the performance on these cars
where if you add an exhaust
and they claim whatever horsepower
I don't know
but I will say this
from a sound standpoint
from an overall enjoyment standpoint
I think it's very important
for a driver focused car
that being said
my only advice on exhaust
is don't go too far too fast
and by that I mean
it's very easy
to look at Darren Fister's website
and be like
I'm gonna go for a stage 2
or a stage 3
oh
and then I'm gonna get a
a cross pipe
and that essentially
eliminates all of the baffling
before the exhaust
so then you get everything put on
and the car turns into a NASCAR
because you jumped over a couple steps
like the nice thing about exhaust
generally is you can add pieces
as you go along
and so
you can even start at a stage 1 Fister
I know you wouldn't do that well
but you can start
at a stage 1
or a stage 2
and if you think it needs to be a little louder
send it back to Darren
and he'll make it that
but
it's hard to go back
if you've gone too far
when it comes to exhaust
so I would say
just don't jump
whole hog into that
intake
is another
a thing you can do
your air box
a Porsche for your 993
had the motorsport package
where the air box had like
holes in it
and it would like allow
the sound of the intake
to be more prevalent to the driver
a lot of people did that
a lot of people just take
a sawzall
or a circular saw
and just poke holes
in their air box
and do the same thing
that's not a performance thing
that's a sound thing
I've never done that
have you ever done that
on your air box?
no
and I've never like
seen or listened to
side by side
one without
one and one with one
so I can't really weigh in
in terms of like
the impact it actually has
I mean my
senses is probably not dramatic
because I do know guys
they have that
they have that
it's done
and I'm not
you know
pretty familiar with the 993
for example I don't really hear
a big difference
but I could be totally wrong
I don't want to sit here
and take a stand
and say it doesn't matter
there are valved exhausts
on the market
that you can look at
Seoul has won
a bunch of different
valved exhausts
that you can switch on and off
with like a little fob
or whatever
you know
those are definitely
more expensive
because they have actuators
and you have to tie them in
to power
you know
I just think Darren does such a great job
with his exhaust
that if you're going to
if you want a relatively
I'm not going to say inexpensive
but I'm going to say
reasonable
way to get into exhaust
the FD Motorsports exhaust
are absolutely fantastic
so that's the way I would go
for the sound and character
portion of this podcast
I would say that
I mean I will take a stand
the people that are taking their cars
to a Porsche dealer
to have a PSE system
retrofitted
under a car
a non PSE car
like to me
that's nuts
and I'm not too scared to
you know I'll spend some money
on my cars
to get them where I want
there's just no return on that
and when I see people
in my Facebook group
talking about that
it's kind of like
oh dude
you better keep that car
until you step into the grave
because my god
even on an expensive car
80 grand
I mean you're getting into 6, 7
maybe even 9,000 dollars
to do that
there's a meaningful percentage
of the car's value
just on that
whereas you can go find one
that has it stock
and pay 84
so anyway
that's my kind of take on that
yeah
unless like you said
unless this is a forever car
for you
and this is something
you absolutely want
then the considerations
might change
let's talk about shifting
well
let's talk about shifting feel
let's talk about your
your connection to the car
outside of the steering wheel
is through the shifter
and the pedals
and we'll talk about that in a minute
but
are you a proponent
of getting a car
and changing how it shifts
yes
immediately
despite all our advice
to not do anything immediately
yeah
I mean in my experience
as long as you have
like done your research
and you know
that there's a good product
out there that doesn't
hang up or doesn't
you know you want to find a product
that has reputation
in some cases
you can buy a Porsche
short shifter kit
short shifter kit
from the dealer
I just
I have enough experience
to know that 90% of the time
enhances the driving experience
my 991.2
I did drive it for a goodly
portion of time
before I put the short shifter kit on it
and it was fun
for what it was
but man those throws are long
so you know
I would say this
I think that doing that
is a pretty safe bet
regardless of your experience
with the car
I agree
I agree to a certain extent
for sure
I think it depends on the age
of the car
like I know people would
sometimes do a short shift kit
on
356
because you want to talk
about long throws
when I had my 356
to get into third gear
you like literally
it's like throwing a baseball
it's like
and you almost throw
your shoulder out
because it's so far away
yeah
but
it added
it was of its time
it added to the driving
of the car
and so I felt like
alright
that's part of it
and if I took that away
it wouldn't be the same
I have a short shift
I did not put it on
on my 70s 911
I'm glad I have it
for sure
because I do like to drive it fast
but I don't think
I don't think it necessarily captures
the originality of the car
so you just realize it
if you do a short shift kit
it might add to drivability
if you're a driver of the car
no doubt
that's what this podcast is about
but as a touch point to the car
that does take away
some of that originality
of what Porsche
attended from the factory
and so
you lose that
for good or for bad
which is again
why you might want to drive it for a while
the 911 transmission
the 915 transmission
I've talked about this
it's a bit of an art
to work it correctly
to make it give you that reward
I've run
I won't mention the product
because I'm not about the business of
giving away free promos
but
I've run a specific product
on a 911
and a 915
and without question
it brings it
to a more modern feel
it has what they call
a detent in it
which brings that gear
that gear
the shaft back to the center
when you take your hand off of it
which those transmissions
as I were
well the 911
it's been a long time
since I driven it
but the 915
I've done quite a bit
and those
they will not just
automatically return to center
from the factory so
that would be my two cents on those
one thing I will say
that you can do right away
if you get a brand new car
that's from the brand new car to you I mean
from the 80s or the 90s
is I think it's absolutely okay
to immediately upgrade
the original components in a shifter
those cars have like a plastic ball
that sits at the bottom of the shifter
that degrades over time
I mean literally
turns to dust
and your shifting can be sloppy
it doesn't feel direct
it feels very vague
it also might add
especially in those 915 transmissions
to that famous like
uncertainty from first into second
where you really have to wait at the gate
before it pops in
so for those reasons
you can 100% in your garage
upgrade
the cables
or with a replacements OEM
or especially the stuff at the bottom
of the shifter is easy to get to
and that makes a world of difference
and that's something you do right away
which keeps your originality
yeah I agree
I mean I would say replacing the bushings
is an essential thing to do
with the older cars at least
I mean they become dust
I've seen it over and over and over
mmhmm
yeah they cracked
a little plastic balls
like will literally crack in half
and you won't know
because it happens over time
the other thing that I will say
just in terms of touch points in the car
you won't believe
people are like
oh my
the clutch doesn't feel right
I'm gonna have a new clutch
I'm just a little bit adjusted
you know
those older forces
if you pull up the carpets
there's a wood board
that is protecting
the pedal cluster
it's like literally wood
in the passengers seat
side and the driver's side
if you take out that wood board
you wouldn't believe the amount of crap
that gets stuck in the little springs
and the connecting points
on the clutch
just again in your garage
taking that out
and cleaning your pedals
and oiling them
makes a world of difference
la diferencia en términos de cómo siente el carro, cómo coge el carro.
Y eso es un ámbito fácil que puedes hacer right away
para la habilidad de coger.
Sí, sí, acuerdo.
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Um, Will, tiros.
Estamos hablando de tiros en gripe.
Um, ¿dois tener un brazo favorito de tiros?
¿Lo has puesto en tus carros?
Ah, el pilotsport 4S es Michelin.
All day long.
Michelin.
Best.
Always Michelin.
I mean, I've had, um, my God, cup twos, P-Zeros.
Uh, my 992 Carrer T came from the factory with P-Zeros and they were.
I don't want to smash products.
I mean, because when you get those types of tires super hot, they're second to none.
But cold or damp, I mean, I'll overstay that they can kill you.
They just aren't great.
Whereas this pilot sport 4S has just seem to be even cold in the morning.
You're leaving the hotel to go drive.
I mean, it just, I've had him save my ass.
So that would be my favorite.
I don't like the others, at least for cold weather driving.
And I've had a couple of cars that showed up with all season.
So like my GT4, it sucks because it's got.
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My GT4, it sucks because it's got brand new all season tires on it.
It's like, who puts all seasons on a GT4 when you live in the south bad call.
But it's announced like, God dang it, I got to replace these 1500 bucks.
Don't really want to do it because I got good tires.
So the all season stuff is just it's not for me either.
Or maybe maybe you need a year round based on where you live.
Well, so that's a great point.
Well, no, it's I mean, listen, it's a solid point.
So here's my take on this.
I am a huge Michelin guy in high school and college.
I worked at Sears tire and battery and I have firsthand knowledge, you know,
going back decades, but firsthand knowledge of just the difference between
some of the build qualities of the different tires.
Michelins are the most expensive, but they are in my mind, the best tire.
From a build quality, from a longevity standpoint, from a drivability standpoint,
from a feel standpoint, I love the Michelin.
So the PS4S's are fantastic.
You don't have to go to the cup twos with Michelins.
So the cup twos are like they're super sticky track kind of focused tires
and a lot of people with normal everyday cars will put those on.
The tread wear rating on those is crazy in that you will blow through
a pair of those in a couple of thousand miles because they're so sticky.
Those couple of thousand miles will be amazing.
And those roads down North Carolina, holy crap, you could drive upside down.
I think I had those on my spider.
I think I had those on my spider and it was, it was, I mean, it was,
that car was great, but it almost got boring in the, in the curves up,
up in the mountains because it was so effortless, you know.
But anyway, yeah, yeah, tires are, are crucial.
I don't know that there's much else to say, but just be careful
with those other ones, those ones I mentioned because when they're
colder damp it's, you lose all the grip.
Well, I don't know if I, if you heard me,
but I worked in a tire shop, so I can talk for three hours on tires.
Yeah, Will, so I can, no, just kidding.
I stayed away from it.
I don't know.
I think that, I think that became your long illustrious career as a propeller head.
Yeah, that's right.
That's exactly right.
Well, listen, so Michelin's definitely a tire.
I will say this because I don't like Pirelli's either.
I had them on my 991.
I was not a fan at all, except I do have Pirelli's.
If you have an old Long Hood 911, the CN 36s, this is a shout out to those.
They look period correct, but they drive like modern tires.
They wear fantastically.
They're expensive as hell, but they are a great tire because I don't like the
look of a modern tire on a classic 911 or a classic car.
I don't think it looks right.
I think you, having the style of Rettistine does a nice job of this too.
They have great tires that look period correct.
Rettistine's a great company.
Um, I think that you, the only other two things I'll say with tires in terms
of drivability, look at your date codes because old tires get hard.
They might not crack, but they, the rubber will get hard and then they'll
become dangerous, especially in those cold mornings as you talk about.
And my final point on tires is that I think you can in certain
cars have one tire to do it all.
I think if you're down in the south or you're driving a GT car, you
have to put on summer tires.
I think on certain 911s, uh, definitely.
But I'm okay with going with a Michelin that is a high performance
all season tire because I like to drive in the shoulder seasons early spring,
late fall, like right now, like if I, if I was going to go out in 30
degree weather, well, I'd wait for it to be 40, but you go out and
you drive slow, but you want a tire that's a little bit more elastic
at colder temperatures because those summer tires get real hard under 40
degrees.
And so I would say all seasons are okay if you live in a place like I do.
Um, cool.
Two more, two more, uh, points.
And then we'll, we're going to wrap this up.
Will, I want to ask you about your opinion when it comes to suspension
because you just got back your 997 after doing some work on that.
How important is PASM, which is a factory option for Porsche.
How important is PASM and how important is it over time to
look to replace your suspension on these cars with 80, 90,000 miles?
I mean, I will say this.
I mean, in my little playbook, and I think it's, again, I don't want to,
I've owned a lot of these cars and so it's like, I can shortcut
some of the decision making beyond what's going to break.
You know, like we talked about this earlier, like you got to,
you got to kind of push on the car and see what happens.
But to me, short shift kit and the suspension are like two essentials.
Um, I, something occurred to me as I was listening to you talk
and I'm going to try to articulate this.
To me, age and mileage of the car are like threshold questions
when it comes to doing some of these changes.
So a brand new or a newer car, like I'm probably not going to
get into the suspension.
So for example, a 991.2, the S that I have, it has the PASM,
lowering suspension on it and also because it's an S, I think,
or maybe it was just an option, but it came 20 millimeters lower
from the factory.
I'm not going to touch that, but the 997.2 that has 85,000 miles
on it was running the original suspension.
It was tired as hell.
Like I don't need it.
You don't need to.
There's no soul searching that has to happen there.
To me, it's like it's an older car, a higher mileage.
So let's dig into it.
But yeah, I think suspension is another go to like, let's
break the car, let's see what happens.
But once we get it sorted, like get into it, especially with a 993
or an SC or a 32 with stock suspension.
I mean, dude, it's like it's on stilts from a bare minimum.
You got to get that car down to look, you know, more sports purpose.
Oh, from a height standpoint, yes.
Yeah, height standpoint, I'm sorry.
And then, you know, it clearly flattens out the car.
It clearly makes it feel more confidence inspiring.
So that's a lot of words to say, my friend.
It's a to me, it's an essential thing to look at.
Yeah, especially if you're going around corners and it feels wallowy.
It tends to lean a little too much.
You know, it's they've just given up the ghost and you don't.
The problem with suspension I find is that it's so slow and
progressive when it fails over the course of years that you don't
notice the drivability difference.
And unless you were to get in someone else's car and when you do
replace it, it's like, oh, my God, it's kind of get like I hear
getting a hip replace.
It's like, why didn't I do this sooner?
Why did I wait so long?
So it's, you know, a consideration that's a weird analogy.
I have not gotten my 997 back just yet.
I shot a video a week or so ago where I went and kind of I visited
my child at the shop, took it for a short drive around the block.
But the car actually needed to be taken out to Durham, North Carolina
to have an alignment done and the corner balancing.
So I know that you talked about corner balance importance here in your list.
Maybe that's a related topic to the suspension.
I haven't really done a lot of corner balancing.
Can you describe that for the audience?
No, I can't.
Why don't you?
No, I mean, it's a mystery.
You need to have the driver in the car and make sure I think
that the distribution, the weight distribution is as equal as you
can get it, right?
Is that correct?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's exactly it.
Now you, you want to make sure that the car sits with the driving weight
because if you have a 200 pound passenger in the, in the seat, it's
going to handle differently than if it does, if it's aligned statically.
You know, for some cars, it's really just a matter of millimeters
in terms of like, does it really make a difference?
But for other cars, very much so, especially if you're doing
any track work or you're doing any really sporty driving, you know,
sometimes that makes all the difference in the world.
So it's just, it's like a, it's like a much better or more advanced
kind of alignment type of, type of feel when it comes to the car.
That's like super kindergarten, but it is also black magic
and I don't fully understand it myself.
I am a huge alignment dork and you know, I have found over the years
that a, a, I will get super annoyed if it's pulling one direction
and the other, I'll get super annoyed if the steering wheel is cocked over.
So alignment is crucial for me just from an enjoyment perspective.
I mean, it can really start to irritate me, but I'm OCD, but also a proper
alignment setup can dramatically impact the precision of the car, the
performance driving abilities.
And so that's food for thought for folks out there.
I mean, you know, I can't sit here and tell you what the exact
camber and tow, the towing that you want on a 997, I can't tell you
that, but I will say this.
Go find the information you're looking for and, and take that into account
if you're going to get into suspension.
No.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Um, all right.
Final, final point, um, because we're going a little long here outside
of shifting outside of pedals.
It's your steering wheel and, uh, have you been in a situation
where you change your steering wheel?
You feel like that's an important driver focus change.
Uh, or is that just more of an aesthetic thing for you?
Well, in the earlier cars, I, I really liked to run a
Momo Prototipo.
I think it fits the character of the car.
I don't know that it, I mean, I can't sit here and give you the, all
the reasons it's a better performer.
I mean, I believe the diameter might be smaller than the factory
wheel, in which case it gives you the better, the more a quicker input.
Um, the downside of the Prototipo is that it's essentially a cheese
grater.
So if you do have a bad day, unfortunately, if your face goes
into the wheel, it's not going to be great.
Um, no, that said, I have run, uh, I put a 996 wheel on a 993
I had years ago and I did feel like that.
I don't know if it was a thicker grip, but I do feel like, you know,
that kind of improved my enjoyment of the car.
Um, my 991 has the, um, I guess the sport steering wheel from
the factory with the thicker grip.
I just, I like that from a com comfort and ergonomic standpoint as well.
So I'm not an anti steering wheel swap guy.
I will say this as I'm matured in the hobby, I tend to, with
the earlier cars at least, I tend to lead the steering wheel period correct.
Just because I feel like that's where I'm at in my journey.
So I don't just go willy-nilly into swapping out steering wheels.
But I will say this, I hate the 997 steering wheel I have.
I understand.
Yeah, I hate the way it looks.
And I actually, the top is a rubbery too.
I think the dude used it for eight years to climb in and out of the
car.
So the top will actually move a little bit, not unsafely, but it does.
It's kind of annoying, but I'm not going to put the 991 wheel in
there that you can put in there.
I feel like it just deviates from what the car is about.
It puts a more, it's too modern of a touch in that car.
It's not, doesn't fit it.
That's an interesting point.
Um, uh, so I agree with you, uh, the momos are great.
I, I have that in my 72.
I love the smaller diameter cause I feel like it's, it's just,
you feel a little bit more connected.
It's a little bit more race car.
I really do enjoy the smaller diameter steering wheel.
Unless you are going for originale, like the early 911s, uh,
356s with their huge, like bus steering wheels, there is
something very cool about those very thin, like wood steering wheels
or Bakelite steering wheels.
There's something beautiful cool about that.
Yeah, they're beautiful.
And they add to that original driving experience.
If you do outlaw your car a little bit, I think that
that's a fine upgrade to make, uh, from a drivability
standpoint, again, this podcast topic, I do think it adds to
drivability, depending on the car, like those 80s, late 70s,
80s cars or whatever steering wheels, I think they're
pretty cool on those.
Um, I did on my 981 Boxster, I just swapped in a 991 steering
wheel.
Uh, I think the interiors of the 981s are modern enough
that you can jump into the next generation and it's not a
big change.
My, my, I had like kind of a, just a sea of plastic on
my steering wheel and I didn't like it.
Um, but it's the same diameter and I'll be honest, it
wasn't as much of a change.
Like I wasn't like, oh my God, from a drivability
standpoint, this is crazy.
Uh, it was just kind of like an aesthetic change.
So that's not something I would say is important for, you
know, drivability.
However, I did get PWS, which is the Porsche factory, uh,
dealer, uh, programming software to futz with your car.
And I did change the actual profile of the driving feel of
my 981.
I took it from a base 981 to the GT3 steering.
Um, y it, it actually did make a huge difference in terms
of how the car drove.
And so this is not something you would do if you buy a car
and you want to do it for a drivability standpoint.
This is something you do when you have a car for a year
or two and you're like, I want to try a different flavor
of ice cream and see how it drives.
It's pretty cool, dude.
You can like, literally it's like changing.
It's like changing the music in your car.
It just is like a slightly different car.
It's the same car, but it's a little different.
Which is super cool.
Um, I was going to say just, you know, to put a bow on it in
the interest of time.
And again, I didn't mean to cut you off.
Um, I, uh, I think that you can run out.
Let's say you've owned your car for a year or two
years, whatever it is.
And you're like, man, I'm kind of bored.
Maybe I need to go buy a new car.
You can either go spend 50 or 100 grand on a new one.
Or you can just do some of these tweaks to enhance
the experience and really can be a game changer for you.
And it can renew your engagement with the car.
So not only are these things considerations to make as
you go down the path with your new DU Porsche, but it's
also a way to really kind of reinvigorate your
relationship with the car as dorky as that sounds.
No, I think that's an awesome point, dude.
Absolutely.
It would, something just ticked in my head when you
said how the guy got in and out with the steering
wheel and how it was a little worn because of that.
The final point I'll say about a mod you might
want to do right away for drivability.
You don't, I mean, okay.
You get bolster wear on your seats.
That's fine.
That's just a sign that the car has been used and loved.
But not a lot of people realize that the seat bottoms
and seat backs get worn down and crapped up over time
from people sitting them and you can get those
restuffed and it's like a brand new car.
It immediately makes the car feel different and better.
And so that's a consideration too.
If you have a car that's higher mileage.
For sure, for sure.
Well, Derek, I hate to run out on you, man.
I've got some things that are real life to go deal with.
So this has been a fun one.
I wish I could talk Porsche all day, my friend.
Have a wonderful day.
This was a great conversation.
I hope all of you out there enjoyed it.
Down in the comments, please add the things in the
musts that you would do to cars you think when
you get them right away for drivability standpoint
because I know we didn't touch on everything.
Or do you disagree with some of the stuff
we talked about?
Is it not necessary?
So from there, Will, we will talk next week, my friend.
All right.
Looking forward to it, Derek.
Thanks.
Later, buddy.
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About this episode
Exploring the nuances of modifying a Porsche for a more driver-focused experience, Will and Derek share personal stories and advice on upgrades that enhance performance without losing the car's original character. They discuss the importance of driving a new car before making modifications, the benefits of PPF versus ceramic coatings, and the impact of suspension and exhaust upgrades. With insights on tires and steering wheel choices, this episode provides a comprehensive guide for enthusiasts looking to personalize their Porsches while maintaining their essence.
You bought a Porsche because you want a car that feels alive on the road. This episode gives you a simple plan to turn that car into a true driver focused machine. Will and Derek break down the upgrades that matter, the ones that do nothing, and the traps new owners fall into when they start buying parts before they even drive the car.
You will hear what actually improves feel, control, and confidence across multiple generations of 911, Boxster, and Cayman. No hype, no wasted money, just real experience from two guys who have owned and driven these cars for years.
In this episode you will learn:
• When to use PPF, when to skip ceramic, and how to protect your paint the right way
• Which exhaust changes add character without making the car miserable
• Why a short shift kit and fresh bushings can transform older gearboxes
• How to clean and service the pedal box for a better clutch feel
• What steering wheels work on older cars, and why some modern swaps fit and others do not
• How PIWIS steering profiles change the feel of newer cars
• Why Michelin PS4S tires are the best all round choice
• Why old rubber with “good tread” is still unsafe
• How suspension fades over time and why fresh dampers can bring a tired car back to life
• When corner balancing and a proper alignment change the way the car responds
• Simple seat repairs that make the car feel new again
If you want sharper shifts, better turn in, more grip, and a cleaner connection to the chassis, this guide gives you a clear path. Follow these steps before you spend big money on unnecessary mods.
Hosted by Will from Rennthusiast and Derek from ElevenAfterNine.
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