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Term
VLT rating
VLT means “how much light gets through.” Lower numbers are darker, so you see less glare—but you may see worse in low light.
Term
limo tint
“Limo tint” just means extremely dark tint. It can be against the law and can make it harder to see, especially at night.
Part
seven post suspension rig
A seven-post suspension rig is a machine that holds a car and shakes it in controlled ways to mimic bumps and road forces. It helps engineers test how the suspension reacts.
Company
KW
KW is a company that makes suspension parts for cars. In this segment, they’re the ones helping develop and test suspension setups.
Topic
Burnout Wars
“Burnout Wars” appears to be an event the hosts reference while talking about their personal connection to the name Zach. It’s not explained in this excerpt, but it functions as a real-world context marker for the discussion.
Topic
worst car mod trends
They’re not talking about the coolest upgrades. They’re arguing about the most regrettable car modification trends from the last several years.
Term
firing order
In an engine, each cylinder has to ignite in a specific sequence. That sequence is called the firing order, and it helps the engine run smoothly.
Concept
don't meet your hero's cars
It’s basically the idea that some cars you think you’ll love can disappoint you when you actually see or drive them. The hosts are using that as the theme for their list.
Term
horsepower numbers
Horsepower is a way to quantify how strong an engine is. The hosts are saying they won’t use those numbers to decide what cars they dislike.
Term
lap times
Lap time is how long it takes to drive one full lap on a race track. The hosts are saying this episode isn’t based on track results.
Term
blown
In this context, “blown” is slang for having a supercharger. A supercharger helps the engine make more power by pushing extra air in.
Term
fake tow straps
“Fake tow straps” are fake-looking straps attached to the front of a car for style. The problem is they’re not meant to actually tow or recover the car, and they can be dangerous if relied on.
Term
tow hook
A tow hook is a real metal attachment point on the car that’s meant for towing or recovery. Here, they’re saying their tow hook snapped while towing, which shows why you need the right hardware and safe setup.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car from Porsche. Here they’re pointing out that the 911 has an actual tow hook attached to the car’s body, not just a cosmetic part.
Term
gunshot tune
A “gunshot tune” is a software change that makes the exhaust pop loudly when you lift off the gas. People do it for the sound, but it can be risky if it’s too aggressive.
Term
timing
“Timing” is about when the engine’s spark happens. If it’s set too aggressively, the engine can run hotter and be more likely to get damaged.
Term
catalytic converters
Catalytic converters are parts in the exhaust that help clean the car’s emissions. If you make the exhaust pop too aggressively, you can overheat or damage them.
Car
BMW 335i
The BMW 335i is a BMW people commonly modify. In this discussion, it’s mentioned because the catalytic converters can get damaged by aggressive exhaust-popping tunes, which can be very costly to replace.
Brand
Magnaflow
Magnaflow is a company that sells aftermarket exhaust parts. They’re mentioned here to give a real-world example of how expensive replacement catalytic converters can be.
Term
ignition to happen in the exhaust
Normally fuel burns inside the engine. Here, some of it burns in the exhaust instead, which makes the car sound louder and cracklier.
Term
washing down your cylinders
If too much fuel gets past the piston rings, it can dilute the oil and reduce lubrication inside the engine. That can lead to extra wear over time.
Term
smoking cylinder wall
When the engine isn’t burning and lubricating correctly, you can get smoke coming from the combustion process. Fuel/oil getting where it shouldn’t can cause that.
Term
washing down your oil with fuel
Fuel can sometimes leak past into the engine oil. When that happens, the oil gets thinner and doesn’t protect the engine parts as well.
Term
burble
A “burble” is that mild crackle/pop sound a car makes when you lift off the throttle. It’s usually softer than the loud, violent “gunshot” pops.
Term
D cell pop
“D cell pop” appears to be a specific enthusiast term for a particular kind of pop/burble sound. The transcript doesn’t provide enough context to confirm exactly what “D cell” refers to (it may be a mishearing or shorthand), but it’s clearly being used as a descriptor for the 911’s exhaust note.
Term
track mode
“Track mode” is a vehicle setting that changes control strategies (throttle response, stability/traction behavior, and sometimes engine/exhaust mapping) to suit track driving. In this segment, it’s linked to the car producing aggressive pops while being driven hard.
Car
Audi Quattro
The Audi Quattro is associated with Audi cars that use an all-wheel-drive system. In the podcast, they’re talking about an older performance model and how people used tuning to change how the engine responds. That’s why it comes up in performance and tech discussions.
Term
anti-lag
Anti-lag is a trick on some turbo cars that keeps the turbo spinning even when you let off the gas. It can make the car sound like it’s “popping” or “shooting,” but it can be very stressful on the engine and turbo. That’s why it’s usually seen in racing, not normal street use.
Term
spooled
“Spooled” means the turbo is already spinning fast enough to make boost. If it’s spooled, the car feels more responsive when you hit the throttle. Anti-lag aims to keep it spooled even when you’re not on the gas.
Term
caliper covers
A caliper cover is a decorative piece that goes over your brake caliper. It’s mostly for looks, not for making the brakes stop better.
Term
brake caliper
The brake caliper is the part that squeezes the brake pads against the spinning brake disc to slow the car down. More piston hardware can change how the braking feels.
Car
Tesla Model 3S
The Tesla Model S is an all-electric car, meaning it runs on electricity instead of gasoline. The podcast is talking about performance versions and how certain parts or options can change over time. That’s something owners and buyers often pay attention to.
Brand
Rembos
“Rembos” is the way the hosts are saying “Brembo,” a famous brake brand. They’re talking about how the car was presented as having Brembo-style brakes.
Company
Mando
Mando is a company that supplies parts to car makers. Here, the hosts say Tesla used Mando for the rear brake calipers, which affected what was actually on the car.
Brand
Caliper Skins
Caliper Skins is a company that makes decorative covers for brake calipers. The hosts bring it up as an example of the trend catching on.
Company
Rough Country
Rough Country is an aftermarket parts company, especially for trucks and off-road vehicles. The hosts say they also sell caliper covers that create a performance-style look.
Concept
track chic
“Track chic” means making a car look like it belongs on a race track. The hosts are saying it’s often just for looks, not real performance.
Concept
tuning (cosmetic vs functional)
They’re arguing about what “tuning” really means. Some people do mods that mainly change the look (like spoilers and body kits) instead of improving how the car drives.
Term
body kits
A body kit is a set of add-on parts that change the outside look of a car. Sometimes it’s meant to help aerodynamics, but often it’s mainly for style.
Term
spoilers
A spoiler is a wing-like piece on the back of a car. It’s supposed to change airflow to help the car stay more planted, but here they’re saying some spoilers are just for looks.
Car
Dodge Charger
The Dodge Charger is a sporty American car that’s built for quick acceleration. People often customize them, including adding performance or styling parts like special wings. It’s a well-known model that shows up a lot in car culture.
Term
Gurney flap
A Gurney flap is a small “little fin” on the back edge of a spoiler/wing. It helps the car generate more grip by changing how air flows over the spoiler.
Brand
Mopar
Mopar is the name people use for Chrysler’s enthusiast/performance world. Here, it’s being used to mean “those Mopar cars” that also get copied with the same aftermarket aero look.
Term
bumper covers
Bumper covers are the outer parts of the bumper you see on the outside of the car. They’re talking about people leaving those stock pieces in place instead of doing a more aggressive setup.
Term
seat belt
They’re talking about changing the color of seat belts to make the car look more “race-y.” The important part is that the belt still does the same job—color doesn’t make it safer or better.
Brand
Aston
They’re talking about Aston Martin’s racing team. The point is that race cars often use matching colors (like red belts) as part of the team look.
Brand
Volkswagen
The speaker mentions Volkswagen in the context of copying a Porsche-associated visual trend. Here, Volkswagen is used as the car brand that adopted the same “race car” look.
Term
eight piston
An “eight piston” brake setup means the brake caliper uses eight small pistons to squeeze the brake pads. The idea is that it can clamp the pads more evenly, but the hosts are criticizing people who brag with it just for looks.
Term
rotor
The rotor is the round metal disc that spins with the wheel. When you brake, the pads squeeze onto it to slow the car down.
Term
pick up truck bed smokestacks
These are tall “smokestack” decorations people add to pickup trucks. The point is mostly looks, and the hosts think it’s a silly trend.
Term
overrun noise
It’s the loud popping/crackling sound some cars make when you let off the gas. Certain exhausts and tunes make it happen more (and louder) on decel.
Concept
SEMA
SEMA is a big car show/trade event in the U.S. where people bring aftermarket parts and modified cars to show them off.
Term
rev your shit
It means revving the engine—spinning it up—especially while you’re just sitting there. At a show, it can be really loud and annoying, and it can even be unsafe.
Term
rev off
“Rev off” means the engine speed drops quickly, usually when you let off the gas. Some people like it because it can sound dramatic, especially with certain exhaust setups.
Topic
Huntington
“Huntington” sounds like a place where car events or meetups happen. They’re using it to talk about the kind of crowd and behavior they see there.
Term
cold start
A “cold start” is when you start the car before it’s warmed up. The engine can sound louder or rougher at first, so some people do it on purpose to show off.
Brand
DDE guys
“DDE guys” is a reference to a car-content crew called DDE. The hosts are saying that this loud, showy style is something that crew is associated with.
Car
Audi S8
The Audi S8 is a faster, sportier version of Audi’s big luxury sedan. Here they’re basically saying it’s relatively quiet inside compared to their other cars.
Car
Volkswagen Vanagon
The Volkswagen Vanagon is a classic VW van people often use like a camper. They’re mentioning it because it’s quieter than their loud cars.
Term
switchable valve stuff
This is an exhaust setup with valves you can switch on and off. It changes how loud the car sounds—quieter when closed, louder when opened.
Term
open headers
“Open headers” usually means the exhaust is basically left very exposed, without mufflers to quiet it down. It makes the car much louder than a normal exhaust.
Term
decel popping
“Decel popping” is the loud popping or crackling sound a car makes when you let off the gas. It happens because fuel and exhaust gases can ignite in the exhaust when the engine is slowing down.
Term
ghost cams
“Ghost cams” is slang for camshaft mods that mainly make the engine sound rough and “loud,” but don’t really make the car feel much faster. People call it “ghost” because it’s more show than substance.
Car
Ford F150
The Ford F-150 is a large pickup truck. It’s designed to carry things and handle everyday driving, but it can feel a bit rough or uneven depending on how it’s set up. That’s why people may describe its ride as “choppy.”
Term
choppy
“Choppy” here means the engine doesn’t idle smoothly. It sounds uneven, like it’s surging or loping at low speed.
Term
Coyote
“Coyote” is a nickname for Ford’s 5.0-liter V8 engine. In this discussion, they’re saying the rough idle sound they heard was coming from that engine, even though it was stock.
Term
install cams
Installing cams means changing the camshaft to a different design. It can make power in certain parts of the rev range, but it can also make the car idle rough if it’s not matched well.
Term
loppy and lopey idle
Some cam setups make the engine idle “choppy” or uneven. It can sound cool to some people, but it can also cause problems when you’re stopped, like with air conditioning.
Term
vacuum
Vacuum is suction created by the engine that some systems use to work. If the engine makes too little vacuum, things like power brakes can feel worse and other systems may not work right.
Car
Volkswagen I
The Volkswagen ID. Buzz is an electric van. It’s designed to look like the classic Bus, but it runs on electricity. The podcast is mentioning it as a Volkswagen the speaker owned or talked about.
Term
cam profile
The cam profile is the “shape” of the camshaft that controls when the engine’s valves open and close. If it’s very aggressive, the engine can struggle at low RPM—so turning on the A/C can sometimes make it stall.
Car
Porsche 935
The Porsche 935 is a real Porsche race car. It’s based on the 911, but it’s built for racing and sounds and drives very differently than a normal street 911.
Term
rev drop
A rev drop just means the engine RPM falls quickly. After starting—especially when it’s cold—the RPM can drop as the engine settles into its normal running.
Part
flywheel
A flywheel is a spinning weight inside the engine area that helps the engine turn smoothly. If you make it thinner/lighter, the engine can crank differently and the start can sound more aggressive.
Part
starter
The starter is what turns the engine over when you press the button. They’re saying the car used a special, smaller starter to still get enough turning force for the modified engine setup.
Car
Suzuki Samurai
The Suzuki Samurai is a small SUV that’s known for off-road ability. People sometimes modify them, and that can make the car sound unusual. The podcast is referencing that kind of standout sound.
Term
high compression
High compression means the engine squeezes the fuel/air mixture more before it ignites. That can make the engine harder to crank, and it can change how the start sounds.
Term
torque
Torque is the “turning force.” They’re saying the starter has to provide enough turning force to spin the engine over and get it running.
Term
fake ass chop
“Chop” is the rough, stuttering sound some cars make. “Fake chop” usually means the car is being tuned to imitate that sound rather than doing it naturally.
Concept
stolen Valor
They’re using “stolen Valor” to mean “pretending.” The mods are meant to make a car seem like it’s a real race/serious performance build, but it’s not truly doing the real thing.
Term
overhead cam V8
“Overhead cam” means the engine’s valve control parts sit on top of the engine, in the cylinder head. A “V8” is an engine with eight cylinders in a V shape, so an “overhead cam V8” is a V8 with that top-mounted valve setup.
Term
quad valve V8
“Quad valve” means each cylinder has four valves instead of two. In a “quad valve V8,” that same four-valve setup is used on all the cylinders, which can help the engine breathe better.
Topic
squat trucks
“Squat trucks” are trucks where the back end sits lower than the front, usually from suspension changes. It’s often done for looks, but it can make the truck ride worse or handle differently.
Concept
EV swap
An EV swap means taking a gas car and replacing its engine with an electric motor and battery. It can make the car feel very different from how it was originally built.
Company
EV West
EV West is a company that converts cars to electric power. The hosts mention them because they’ve built EV-swapped cars, including a drift-focused BMW E36.
Term
zero to 60 times
It’s a stopwatch measurement of how fast a car can accelerate from a standstill to 60 mph. Faster times usually mean quicker acceleration, but it’s only one way to judge a car.
Term
nitrous oxide
Nitrous oxide is a gas you can inject into an engine to get a temporary power boost. It helps the engine burn more fuel, so the car accelerates harder for a short time.
Brand
Lucid
Lucid is an electric-car brand. The hosts are using a Lucid ride as an example of how very quick acceleration can get boring after you’ve done it a couple times.
Term
Ecotech
“Ecotech” sounds like they mean an Ecotec-style modern engine swap. They’re saying the car isn’t running the original Beetle engine—it’s using a newer engine, and it’s turbocharged.
Term
turbo
A turbo is a device that uses the engine’s exhaust to push extra air into the engine. More air usually means more power, which can make the car feel much faster.
Concept
all electric vehicles
They’re discussing fully electric cars—cars that don’t use gasoline and instead run on a battery. The point they’re making is that some people don’t find electric racing as entertaining as traditional racing.
Topic
no one cares racing
They’re making a joke about an electric racing series, saying people don’t really care about it. It’s their way of criticizing how much attention electric racing gets.
Concept
EV
EV stands for electric vehicle. It’s a car that runs on electricity from a battery, not gasoline. The hosts are talking about how lots of people jumped on EV-related projects and some of them didn’t work out as expected.
Concept
Formula One
Formula One is the highest level of race car competition in the world. Teams and manufacturers use it as a testing ground for new technology, so when F1 changes direction, it affects what other people build too.
Concept
ice engines
ICE engines are regular gas or diesel engines that burn fuel to make power. The hosts are saying some companies thought they’d stop using them in racing, but later reconsidered.
Term
straight air mode
“Straight air mode” sounds like a setting on an air-suspension system that changes how the suspension holds the truck’s height. Air suspension uses compressed air to raise or lower the vehicle. This mode is likely meant to keep the truck in a particular lowered stance.
Concept
lifted trucks
A lifted truck has been raised up with suspension changes. That usually means bigger tires and a taller look, and it can also affect how the truck rides.
Concept
stretched tires
Stretched tires are when the tire is pulled tight over a wider wheel to make the sidewall look smaller. It looks aggressive, but it can be harsher and easier to damage.
Concept
Hawaiian style
“Hawaiian style” here means a local truck customization look that people associate with Hawaii. The hosts are basically saying they don’t want to disrespect that culture while talking about their own naming idea.
Term
sidewall
The sidewall is the part of the tire that sits between the tread and the wheel. More sidewall usually means the tire is less “stretched” and has more rubber to protect it.
LIVE
And we're back with another episode of firing order brought to you by Viper
Industrial. And as always, I'm your host, Brian Scotto. The topic today, the worst,
that's right, the worst car mod trends of the last decade. And to debate this ever
so important topic, we have the Zachs. We got Zach Mertens, aka Mr. Zachary, and
Zach Clatman, probably best known from the smoking tire. We're gonna hurt some
feelings today. Hopefully they're not yours. Enjoy. Legal disclaimer, it might
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What's that old saying? Don't ever meet your heroes. Unfortunately, this applies
to cars too. As my buddy Ken Block discovered when he bought his Ford RS
200. To say it politely, the suspension sucked. So we went to KW to fix it on
their seven post suspension rig. Some say it was misappropriated in the middle of
the night from an F1 team and it once knocked out the power grid of a small
village. But what we do know for certain is that this machine allows KW to create
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Alright boys, you ready to do this today? Yeah, absolutely. It is the attack of the
Zaks. How often do you guys in a situation where you're the other person across
from you has the same name just off by a letter? Last weekend, not often, but
a lot. Every time at Burnout Wars, my business partner is Zach. It's a popular
name in our generation. Yeah, same for me. Brian was the number two name of
1979. So I grew up with a lot of them, which is why I go by Scott. Anyway, no one
cares about that. What people care about is today's topic, which is for the first
time ever, we're not going after the best in class, we're going after the worst
in class. This is the top five worst or just the worst five mod trends of the
last decade. Punching down. That's actually a good point. Like if it's too
much of a punch down, we're gonna have to call each other on it. So this can't
just be I don't have enough money to do cool things to my cars because like I
don't want to like that's like, whatever this has to be. These are bad
decisions made with money. Yes, I can confirm that my list here is somebody
spent good money doing this. Have you seen, by the way, when we talk about
lists, you have one piece of paper over there that I gave you about 15 minutes
ago to write your ideas on. This man came with just a stack of paper. Yeah, he is
this how is this is what is expected from you at the smoking tire? No, no, no,
we're much more fly by the seat of the pants there. This is like, I actually
thought we were doing like a versus just because of my head. It was a versus and
should I show up in a suit and bring a briefcase as if we're actually debating
just to be just for a goof, but that was too far. I just wanted to like collect
my thoughts and write them out and be able to present myself eloquently.
He's showed up like a full wiki thing. It's got to go through it all. He's like,
hold on, but at at a den mint. Dodge versus education too. So just so I could be a
little more coherent than I normally am. Yeah, by the way, I'm happy to have you
finally come down to as far as you've come away from where you guys are up and
where are you? Playa Vista. Playa Vista, Santa Monica, Jason. All right, let's be honest.
It's between, I'm on the halfway point between you and Santa Monica. Yeah, I
guess so. Is that really? It's West Side. Yeah, I know where it's at. I mean,
you and I both lived on the West Side. Yeah. We now slumming it down here in
Long Beach. So thanks for coming down. Thank you for having me. It's great. Yeah,
good to see you too. Your credit score has lowered by at least 100 points now.
Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. It's funny because a lot of people were like,
oh, you should have Zach and Matt on. And I'm like, that's their show. That is the show.
Like why, why do that here? Although it would be funny to have you guys on something like
firing order because it would put you in a different place. It'd be funny to have you conduct
it because then you can kind of modulate that a little bit. But I don't know what we need to
argue about because we tend to agree a lot on. So I actually have a show that I want Farah to
come on and this will be his invite because maybe he'll listen to this, probably not.
But I want to do a firing order with him and Vinny that is the don't meet your hero's cars.
Top five cars that are not as heroic. That's a great concept.
I think all three of us have sort of these feelings on certain cars that you're driven
that you're like, these suck. Anyway, that's not the topic for today. So we set the ground rules,
which isn't much because honestly, this is a completely subjective day. There's no horsepower
numbers. There's no lap times. There is no anything that matters other than what the
three of us think about this. No, that's right. We are just venting pure hatred today.
Yeah, it's a hate episode. It's gonna be fun. Well, it's like we're dads on the porch complaining,
but we're also trying to pass the knowledge to the youth. So there's a little bit of
constructive education, I think. Yeah. When did you realize that you are now part of the
elder community? When people would rip past me in loud cars and Zach's gonna laugh at me right
now. And I'd be like, part of it. Part of my increasing tonight is as I get older,
but then and I also realized I was like, Oh, I don't want to be that person. I used to be
that person. What happened? Zach pulled up and my son came through the door and I was like,
he's like, Zach's here. Which one? What? My son opens the door and he goes, Zach's here.
And then he looks at me and he goes, like you couldn't tell because literally we could hear
his car from like four blocks away. So it's awesome. By the way, you posted the other day that
you were 40 now. Yeah. And the comments were all like, bro, I thought you were in your 20s.
Yeah. I was like, it's not how you look. It's how you act. It's the irresponsibility for sure.
It's because I'm a child. Yeah, it is. I'm just actually talking to my dad about that. It's like,
you know, I've lived a very Peter Pan life. My little it's funny is like I'm going to my little
sister's wedding and she's like 13 years younger to me. My little brother's already married on
working on second child about to come. Yeah. Yeah. Then I'm, you know,
I would just slow you down too much. You know, like I'm going to build a blown V8 car that's
completely useless with the car. Next to your other V8 blown car. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So
for everyone who doesn't know, this is how the show works. First, Zach will present his list
and then other Zach will present his list and then I will present my list. And then we will take
one from each of those lists and we will move it on. And then we're going to do things a little
bit different this time because we used to pick five. We're going to try going with just three
and actually grabbing more from the blind sides because I think we realized that some of the
Patreon list was better than our own list. So we want to be able to try to include them in a
little bit more. I support that. Yeah. Yeah. So you want to give me a little Patreon ad while
you're here because you do it so well. Ladies and gentlemen, look, if you are not subscribed yet,
you need to go over to Patreon. Okay. Patreon.com slash Brian Scott. I'm guessing that's what it is.
It'll probably pop up on the link here, but that's where you get the juicy stuff and you can actually
engage, interact, hell, you can have a 57 hour long conversation with Brian if you want. He's got
plenty of time. Anyway, go do that because he can't have a normal job. We all know this, support the
man. Okay. So he can keep doing this. Are you ready to get into this? Yeah. Support your rescue
of broken European cars. I got American cars in the package too. And I actually have a couple
Japanese cars. I do not discriminate. Yeah. I even have a few Italian cars. As long as they don't
work, you can love them. Yeah. I lost the key for that one. So it's actually broken. No, really.
The blade of the key fell out of the key. Yeah. Anyway, if anyone works at a Ferrari
dealership and wants to help me with that, please DM me. They love doing that for free. Yeah, I know.
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So anyway, top three terrible mods. Selling anything to Brian Scott.
Putting in the Audi engine and anything. All right. Okay. Top mods. My top three
mods, terrible mods for the last decade are caliper covers. That's a good one. The gunshot tune.
Burble tune. Burble tune. I think gunshot tune. I think he's doing more. We're going to
cause a different. Okay. Fine. I'm going all the way to gunshot, but Burble was the gateway
drug for sure. And then the third one is fake tow straps. Fake tow straps. So tow straps.
That was like a little hard on it, you know, like the slightly S&M. I know what you're talking
about. I just want to really like think about that. Do you feel like that's something used?
Is that like a big ACH thing? Do you see a lot of people? I feel like I see them in town. I saw
one yesterday. Maybe it's just a recency thing. But when they're, and then when they search pictures,
there's like TRD branded ones and OMP branded ones, but they're bolted to the grill. And we can get
into the details more of like why that's so stupid, but it should be pretty obvious. But
it's like, it's a weird style thing, but it's completely useless and also a little dangerous.
Yeah. I actually had a tow hook on my Ferrari that wasn't like a fake one, but clearly the
brand moved from like a casted tow hook to later on like a proper forged one, because mine snapped
while I was trying to tow my Ferrari with it across four lanes of traffic. Luckily I had a cop
behind me. This is a great insert for that video of Nikkei gluing a tow hook. Yeah, exactly.
The 911 has a real tow hook on it that's connected to the body, but yeah. So that's,
that's my list of three. If you want the other two, I can do. You have a lot of notes here. So do you,
this is not normally how the show goes, but I don't want, I don't want you to have done all
that work and not be able to present it. Do you want me to explain my reasoning?
Yeah, I want to hear you make the tow truck. Okay, so my problem with the gunshot tune is,
is multi-fold. One, it damages your engine if you get too aggressive with the timing and the fuel
thing. Two, it's straight up sounds like gunfire and this happens near my house a lot. I hear it
and I have to kind of really listen in and say, is that actual gunfire happening or just a dumb
gunshot tune? Are you, do you go on Nextdoor and post with everyone else who says, was that gunshot,
so that's gunshots or those gunshots or is that only a long beach thing? I have unsubscribed from
that website 15 times. I keep trying to get away. I just think it, it's, it's based in trying to
copy what race cars do. And the reason race cars have a little leg burble overrun is because
they're blasting the cylinders with fuel to cool them off while the driver lets off the gas.
But they're only doing a little bit, but people have realized that if you just retard the timing
even more and add more and more fuel, the loud, the sound gets louder and louder. And eventually
you could damage your engine. You could blow your cats out, which I looked up for a BMW 335i,
very popular with the gunshot. It is definitely when you say burble tune. What do you think?
I think of BMW. Exactly. Cats for that car start at 200 a piece. They go up to 1100 a piece.
So you could cost yourself a ton of money. Is that like buying them from a guy who cut them out
of your car? That's Magnaflow prices. So Magnaflow, Magnaflow.com slash Brian Scott's podcast.
Shout out to Richard Wade. For sure. That guy's awesome. So I just think it is people trying
to copy race cars. But then if all of you and your friends show up to the same in and out,
all with the same burble tune, no one thinks you're race car drivers. And if your friends arrive
there first, they've already pulled all the ladies that love the sound of a burble tune,
because we know that that's who's really attracted to the sound. Of course. It is the
male mating. It is the male mating call. It's a great way to meet other dudes that love being
100%. So I think they're so stupid. Sounds like ass. And also too, if you're
retarding the timing, right, you're trying to cause the ignition to happen in the exhaust,
essentially, right? Also, you're washing down your cylinders, right? You're just smoking cylinder
wall. You're also washing down your oil with fuel, which you're going to smoke some bearings.
Actually, you know what? Just stay on that little burble. They keep doing it and just
water it. It'll work itself out. It's kind of like a social Darwinism thing. Automotive Darwinism.
We fix the glitch, right? Yeah. It sounds like ass. It sounds terrible. It sounds terrible.
But this comes from like one of the first manufacturers to do this was Mercedes,
right? I think you may know better. F type R in 2015 was the one that that broke out.
And I feel like that's where it really began because that that car was 2015 was the SVR.
But I even like Mercedes had some sort of kind of burble pop all the way back to the C 63.
Like that had an injection deal. Yeah, I don't remember how exactly they did it. But like,
I thought that was cool. So there has to be, I think there's an issue here where it's not about
the actual, and maybe that's why you say gunshot versus just the regular burble. But like, there is
like a level where it becomes uncool. Correct. It's a spectrum. Yes, it is. Because like my 911
has amazing D cell pop. I love the D cell pop on my 911. Yeah, but also your 911 is, you know,
course, a lot of air and fuel. It's got a pretty built engine and it does it doesn't do it because
it's tuned to do it. It does it because that's just how the engine runs. Yeah. So I mean,
it is tuned to do it, but not on purpose as a pop. Yeah, it's not a basically stock engine.
It's just like, oh, dude, let me get that burble. So is that the, is it like a co-morbid?
Like the co-morbid of this has to be that it's on a stock engine? I don't think it has to be a
stock engine because I think a lot of OEMs are doing it. Like the, we all saw the video of the
Elantra N that guy got pulled over running track mode because it was doing all these big pops.
But I think that's an example of it's gone too far. So I think when the car is stock,
if it does a little, that's fun. And we want to have fun with cars and we want to feel like
we're driving something rad. But when it starts to like popcorn down the road, because people are
turning all these knobs and like adjusting everything in the settings, I just think it becomes,
the sound gets offensive, it gets worse, and you know, it's worse for the car.
It was cool in the 80s with a Quattro S4 on anti-lag. Sure. But anti-lag is a whole other
thing. But that's what people are trying to create is sort of that anti-lag sound. But the
anti-lag sound is a whole other thing, which is literally destroying your engine. But in the
terms of racing, it's keeping the power out. Exactly. Keeping all that energy, that heat
into the turbo so you can keep that bitch spooled. Yeah. No, that's a pretty good one. And then the
caliper cover thing, the caliper, okay, so I think here's a difference. And this is like the,
this is like the libertarian approach, is that gun pop, burble tunes bother me. Like it literally
bothers me. Your caliper covers bother my eyes. It doesn't bother me in the same way. Like I
cannot look at your caliper covers. I cannot deal with your caliper covers. But like I have no
choice but to deal with your burble. That's a very good point. Yeah, they find it. And when I say
libertarian, I mean like, you know, the whole idea of a true libertarian, not what libertarians are
today is like, just don't do anything that, like, I won't do anything that bothers you. You don't
do anything that affects my life. I don't do anything that affects your life. Like that's the
basic idea of it. It's like, if you don't, if you don't want your neighbors to have sex, who cares
who they're having sex with. So I don't have to look at the caliper covers. Exactly. Exactly. The
gunshot tune. But they're having sex so loud in my, in my dining room, knocking over my things.
So guys, can we just... Yeah, by the way, I'm talking about Zach.
He's using the sex defense. That was...
Oh my God. Oh, I gotta hear this story after. I gotta hear this.
I can't wait to hear that after this. Shout out Christmas party in 2017.
Wow. I never thought that would go to the public, but it just has. Anyway,
so caliper covers, give us your argument on that.
Mike, the crux of it is that people are putting on these covers, they're silicone or aluminum,
and they're doing it to basically do an impression of a track or performance vehicle,
but the brakes underneath aren't changed in any way.
So you're saying like, let's say somebody's got like a single or dual piston caliper,
and they've got like a six piston cal... Oh man. So can we pull up?
Have you not, have you not seen these before?
I feel like I've seen it before, but like, I was just trying to make sure that's what he's
doing. It's just like 3M double-sided tape holding it to the caliper.
Yeah. So we're not talking about like a color change here. We're talking about like,
you got a fake ass... Yeah, you're just faking the funk on the fact that you got
Rembos or something. So the big story that came out is 2023, I think, is Tesla got caught.
Tesla said that all the performance Model 3s were going to have Rembos, and then they changed
the supplier for the rear caliper to a company called Mando, and the caliper was small. So they
put on a red caliper cover that was way larger than what was needed for the actual caliper,
and when people pulled it off, they went, wait, that's the same brake caliper that comes on the
long range. So they're being told, hey, this is a performance braking system, and it's the same
one just dressed up. How strange, right? That's devious. So a year after that, this company,
Caliper Skins... By the way, this episode is brought to you by Caliper Skins. So it became
a trend though, like Tesla people started putting on these silicone caliper covers just to like,
separate the look of their car from the other millions of people that looked just like them.
But it's not just... I thought it was just them. There's a company called Rough Country that makes
them for trucks. Zach Trucks is how I relate to you. For Jeeps and Broncos and all kinds of things,
and it's the same shit. It's like an aluminum thing that just looks like you have a performance
brake and makes you look a little different, makes you look a little faster, a little tougher.
But what I don't get is that you're taking track, like,
track chic, and then trying to just present a fake version of it. And that really bothers me.
But in some ways, hasn't, isn't that like what defines 90% of tuning?
That is true.
Is like trying to look, and again, I think this is where everything lives on the spectrum,
because it's like, you're just trying to make your car look like it's more performance oriented.
Spoilers, body kits, all these things that have like no real arrow to them.
That's true. I almost included the whole charger vertical arrow wing, but I left it off.
I was sitting behind a charger the other day looking at that going, who like invented that?
Because it's probably your auto cross competitors.
I think it's a nod to like old Maxcar.
Well, it's the Gurney flap. It's the Dan Gurney flap. But like,
how it becomes, like how it's become like the trend across every shit box,
like Mopar car. It's kind of true. I don't know.
It's like a pretty simple mod too. Like you could probably make it at Home Depot.
These are also the same people that leave the bumper covers on for the corners.
Oh yeah. That's like almost a trend.
It is. That was a trend, man. I wish I had made multicolored,
whatever those are called, like shipping covers and just sold them.
I probably would have made a million bucks.
Yeah. There was a group chat based off of the last firing order, which was the track day cars.
And Chris Stewart sent a photo of a car with just like a red lip.
It was like a fiat with a red lip and he said, I mean, not a fiat, a fit with a red lip.
And he said, so unfortunately we have red lippers too.
And it's like all of us knew exactly what it meant.
Like there's always like that guy who has a stock car that then is like,
I'm going to paint my lip red because it's going to make it look cool.
Like Aston's race team. Yeah.
Yeah. Or like get like red seat belts.
Oh, I like red seat belts. I mean, I do too.
I like red seat belts.
He said the whole thing was like a race car because like it's got red seat belts.
Yeah. Well, that's like a Porsche thing that then Volkswagen did,
which just seemed really cool.
And I'm actually like looking into getting red belts in one of my cars.
I think they look cool.
But I think then the function of the seat belt is still the same
as if it was gray, yellow, whatever.
Yeah. But with this, you are lying about how big your brakes are
because you've put on this like, you know, placard or whatever.
Yeah. But I mean, as men we, we lie about all of that kind of stuff.
Very, very true. It's all about that.
Yeah. It's an eight piston.
Yeah. It's definitely an eight piston.
It's definitely, yeah.
Well, like a five and a half.
How big is the piston?
I measure it in the metric system.
I measure it from the bottom of the rotor.
I measure it from the bed up.
Okay. So, um, and then the tow strap one and then they,
is that, is that just like a personal or the tow strap one?
It's probably because that is, no, I mean, that's just, that one's the shortest.
It's just like, this is dumb. You can't pull the car with it.
Right.
But it looks like you can pull the car with it.
So it's just, it is totally non-functional.
Everything from your list is you don't like cars that try to be race cars.
No, that's only two of them so far.
The last one is either, I think, I think pick up truck bed smokestacks that are huge.
Wait, I thought, wait, you have three.
You said burble tunes.
What did I say?
You said caliper covers.
Caliper covers.
Oh, a big tow strap.
That's right.
You can try to slip that in later on the blind spots.
All right.
I support the smokestack one now for sure.
You could add it to your list if you want.
We can get to it in the, we can get to blind spots.
All right, we'll get to the blind spots.
So we need to now pick which one of yours moves forward,
which, which is the most offensive on his list.
Burble tune.
I mean, he was pretty specific in saying gunshots.
Yes.
Like gunshots.
How much burble is okay to you?
Very little.
I think, I think once it sounds like popcorn being made,
and especially when these guys are rolling at fucking six miles per hour,
and it's like,
all fucking parking lot.
Yeah.
We get it.
You're here.
No one cares.
It's an M4 big deal.
Like it gets 11 kind of sounds like that.
I think when I upset you,
have I pulled up to nine 11 sounds like it's supposed to.
Well, that's, that's different.
It doesn't just back.
You're just not sitting there just like it's not backfiring.
Oh, no, no, I know it.
I know what it does.
Yeah.
I mean, I do think it's dangerous.
Like if the sound originates because someone tuned their car,
for power and reliability,
and then it just has overrun noise to, you know, cool this and whatever,
that's all right.
But if we go into your credit card history,
and we find that you went to gunshottoon.com for $200,
and you did, because it,
I didn't kick a guy out of the burn yard for that.
Like I was like,
you know, stop when you're like in the hot pits.
It was a burn yard at SEMA.
And I was like,
do not sit and just rev your shit.
And then he did this,
and it was a child walking by,
and I was also walking and it blew out my,
I could, I still can't hear well in this ear because of it.
And I yell, I was like,
motherfucker, you will never come back here.
So this, for me,
this doesn't fall under mods,
although it is the use of a mod,
but this is certainly an activity
that I am just too fucking old for,
which is like the rev off.
Yes.
Like that, I just do not understand.
Like if I go to an event,
and that's happening at an event,
it's like, I just don't want to be here anymore.
Do they still do that?
Oh, fuck that.
I just, yeah, I just had to deal with it.
Really big in like super car market too.
Yeah.
Also really big in the,
he looks so shocked because he's like,
that's my side of the face.
But I don't go to the meat though.
I don't go to,
I don't go to helicopters and write-offs at Huntington.
Helicopters and write-offs.
Like people cold start their Lambo and.
Yeah, yeah, it's like the DDE guys.
Like that's like that side.
Oh, I love them.
They have a great time.
And there's a part of me that's jealous
that they, that's their business.
They have a great time.
And I love those.
Great jumps.
And it's funny because I often get accused
for not liking those guys
because I'll shit on them.
But if I shit on you, I probably like you.
You know what?
Because it means I have a friendship with you
that you feel like you know, I can shit on you.
Yeah.
Or he pays you to do that.
That's true.
That's true too.
I mean, that was the really the only perk at Hoonigan
which is being able to shit on all of you all the time.
Oh, never mind.
I was going a different direction with that.
It was just like-
Oh, it was like a German joke.
Okay, got it.
All right, we're here, we're here.
Call it a sunroof, hm?
Yeah.
So I'm gonna have to-
So, yeah, I'm gonna have to agree.
It's definitely Burble Tune.
I think everyone knew that was making it to the list.
It is one of the more unfortunate things that has happened.
But I want to like get into the mindset of those kids
because they must think-
They think it's the coolest thing ever.
They do.
I found a Reddit post.
It was so adorable.
It was written by a guy who's like 28 and he goes,
I've aged out of my Burble Tune and I'm not sure why.
And he was literally asking and he's like,
I had a 335.
I had the Burble Tune.
I loved it and I see them now
and I just think they're so stupid.
What happened?
Everyone's like, congratulations.
You've turned 27.
It's like-
It was the automotive version of Jinkos.
But you still drive a super loud fucking car.
Like you just pulled up and I heard you from two blocks away.
Yeah, but that's different.
It's different.
But you will eventually grow out of that.
Like I love that.
I love that I can't really hear my S8 when I'm inside of it.
I love that my Vanagon's pretty quiet.
And then I go drive one of my loud cars
and I will constantly try to turn the volume down
realizing that I can't actually turn that down.
Like I'll be just trying to think.
I'll be like, which way do I have to go right now?
And I'll reach for the volume knob and then go,
oh no, that's just the car being obnoxious.
To be fair, I have so on the vet and then I just welded.
I just built a new system for my K5 that actually has switchable valve stuff.
It's still pretty loud to most people,
but it's not like open headers anymore, right?
But I can, you know, when I'm driving it a lot of times,
like I'll switch it off like to, you know, be incognito.
But then like, I'll be driving like,
this doesn't feel the same.
I'll just have to like open it up and be like, hell yeah, dude.
But you can turn it, you can switch it back.
And I do think that that is aging a bit, you know, it's like.
I'm not trying to defend the burble tune crowd.
I'm trying to be, play devil's advocate
and be in their corner for a second.
Do you think that they get that same feeling?
Like that excitement that you get out of it,
like are we taking away something from somebody that like that?
Like when I, I love decel popping my fucking 9-11,
like it's a cool thing,
but I do enjoy how it sounds going up through the gears
more than I enjoy the pop down, right?
Like the pop's cool and it's kind of like a novelty,
but like if I had to make a choice, like ripping that thing from,
you know, five and a half to, you know,
eight grand is where it sounds best.
Yeah, totally.
But maybe they're getting something great out of it
that we don't understand.
These are mods.
So yeah, they're getting,
they're getting some sort of enjoyment out of all these things.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It just, it's a terrible mod.
Fair, fair.
That's why we're having this conversation.
Do you agree that that's the worst of your list?
Yes.
All right.
So we're moving that one forward.
All right, cool.
All right, Zach.
All right.
I knew, the thing about this one,
well, I think it's going to be hard for us to rank,
which is the worst one.
I think that's going to be where,
like what is the most offensive is where the real,
the real battle comes,
but let's see what you got here.
So my first one was clout tunes, right?
Which is include verbal,
but then the big thing that irritates me is ghost cams.
Somebody that like,
I'll be honest.
I didn't know this was a thing,
but the minute you say it, I now understand.
So like there was a,
and he drove like a,
like a bad motherfucker,
but like there was an F-150 in a show that I had in Asheville
and I was like, man, that thing's choppy.
And I was like, oh, it's a, it's a coyote.
And then I couldn't find out it's a completely stock coyote.
It's just got like a timing sweep tuned into it.
So it chops like so.
And you'll hear that on a lot of people,
even that like install cams,
and it's like, that's how they keep them like idling good
and like able to take off.
It's like do like the timing sweep
and like do the correction stuff,
but like to not have anything.
Is there any performance value to it?
I don't believe so at all.
Not at all.
So you're just faking.
You're faking like the, you're faking the funk.
I didn't know this existed.
This is amazing.
How much do you know about cam culture?
Not that I know how it works,
but I don't know what a cam is.
A lot of his identity is on how like just like
absolutely out of control, like Loppy and Lopey of cam can be.
Oh yeah, man.
I follow him.
So like if your air conditioning can't run at idle, because
the cam profile doesn't allow your idle to be, you know,
to do that, like he's into it.
Shouldn't have enough vacuum to have brakes that boosted air conditioning.
I was telling him once,
I was telling him once about a Volkswagen I had.
And as normally, once I say Volkswagen,
like his eyes just started glazing over
and like rolling into the back of his head.
And then I told him that the cam profile was so wild
that if I turned the air conditioner on,
it would immediately stall the car.
And he like came back into the conversation.
It's like, I kind of want to hear about that.
Maybe I can install it to like, you know,
like a margarita blender.
Carpio, we love compromise, right?
We love something that we have to get rid of
in the effort of performance or interest.
We're like, oh yeah, I can't even run this part of it
because it's too powerful.
But like, you have to think about why is the sound
of like just the most choppy cam so cool.
It just sounds badass.
Because we relate it once again to cool race.
And to power.
And to big power.
Yeah.
And the era we grew up in, I mean, I don't know about,
I know like Le Mans existed now,
but when I was a kid, I was around muscle cars, hot rods,
and like occasional stock car things or like drag racers.
I never saw a Porsche or whatever 935 like start.
So whatever that sounded like didn't implant itself
in my brain.
So I don't really care.
I don't think, I don't think none of them
sound that good to be honest.
But stuff like that, that's like chit-chit-chit-chit.
I mean, Brian's chops.
It's my 9-11.
Yeah.
It's like, I remember like I walked over and I was like,
what the fuck is that?
And I was like, oh, shit.
Because we were like cold, it was cold as hell.
And on a cold start too, it does like a full like 300,
you know, 300 rev drop.
Like rubber, rubber.
I should clarify, old 9-11 race cars with big engines
do sound like that.
And sometimes I go, they put a V8 and that thing,
but like new ones, the scream, it's just the sound.
But like the old choppy stuff sounds cool.
A buddy of mine was telling me the other day
that this guy we know just built a car where he,
it's a Volkswagen, but he ran like a,
like either like a super thin or like a special type
of metal on the flywheel and a special starter
just to give it that race car start.
Like that like weird sound.
You're drawing a fucking X-caliber.
Like a samurai story.
Yeah, like there's that weird sound
that like real race cars have when they start up
that just like the sound of like really high compression,
a micro starter because it needs the torque to turn it.
And like a flywheel that's like his thin as Saran wrap.
And it's like that combination that like just makes
a certain noise that road cars don't make.
And it's like he went to all this trouble to create that
just cause it's a cool sound.
And I respect that.
Right.
But like at the same time, it's not far
from what you're talking about,
but he had to design and engineer this.
So you went for a race car.
Scamming work.
So basically it's like they can tune it
and they can tune the timing sweep to just be like
just basically it idols like shit, right?
But like it's just sweeping or like jumping back and forth,
right?
Like to give you like some fake ass chop.
I don't respect that.
Cause the one thing is like,
wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Is this is what our big issue with all of this is?
Cause almost everything we've said,
it's fucking stolen Valor.
Yes, it is.
Yes, I had that written.
Yeah.
A bunch of them stolen Valor.
It's stolen Valor.
It's because like you get to drive a car
that you could push a button on
and make it actually just operate normal.
But then you get the cool points of how it sounds that way.
Cause if a car like mine that actually does all that,
it has a lot of other things
that makes it a really uncomfortable
and annoying car to own,
operate, drive and do all that.
But you don't have to have that.
Yeah.
Here's the other thing.
Like overhead cam V8s with like big ass cam profiles
sound really nasty.
And they actually like it's a really unique sound.
It sounds like wild, right?
So if you're like a quad valve V8
with like some big ass cam profile,
it's like it sounds pretty savage
or like the sock Ford old NASCAR motors like sound gross.
Like just nasty at idle, right?
But again, stolen Valor.
So ghost cams is one of them.
By the way, we just did the one thing
we said we weren't going to do.
I know we wouldn't.
But all right, run the rest of your list.
We won't interrupt.
Second, squat trucks.
Right?
Yeah.
And then I have some other ones here, but like...
Give the best, give the best to the group.
We can bring the rest up in the blind spots.
Any EV swap of a classic or performance vehicle.
Let's start with that one.
Okay.
Because any classic or performance vehicle?
Because you're taking away the heart.
The thing that the thrill, the theater of that,
what that thing is, and then you're just,
you're stripping it of all of its glory.
You've driven some EV swap.
Yeah.
You want to go?
I drove a Baja Volkswagen Baja bug
that was swapped with EV.
That was terrifying and very fast.
Is that the guys down in...
Yeah.
What's the name again?
EV West.
Yeah, EV West.
I drove their drift car, their E36 also.
And then...
What's the name of their swap kits?
It has a revolt or something, so anyway, yeah.
One of the ones I always thought was a good idea
was like Vanagans or VW buses,
because those are slow, unreliable,
they can't hit a hit like...
I would love my Vanagon to be electric.
The engine does nothing for me.
Now, but I think to your point, yeah, the engine has...
It's not the car that I bought the car.
The car sucks.
Right.
But if the car is good because the engine,
that's part of the character,
then swapping it like a 911, Ferrari, whatever,
to put an EV in that and just completely mute it,
like incastrate the thing and take away its...
Its song, whatever that is, that's terrible.
Yeah.
Like the thrill, the vibration, the sound, the theater,
from those cars, even if it's slower, it just feels like
it's the experience of driving of something
that is exploding within itself is awesome.
Okay.
Now, with EV stuff, battle this point here.
Yeah, you can like do some sick
zero to 60 times, zero to 100 times, whatever, right?
That wears off so quick.
It's like nitrous oxide, not in your car,
but like taking hits of nitrous oxide out of like a balloon
or like, you know, you got 20 seconds of like...
Whippets, boys.
He's talking about whippets.
It's like you get this high for a bit
and then it just goes away.
But yeah, it's just like, it just wears off
and it just, it loses its fun after,
like when we had the Lucid guys, like, yeah,
we had like six people in the car, big boys,
and it was fast as shit.
It was nauseating fast.
But after like two runs, I was like, whatever,
you know, this is boring.
Yeah.
You know.
Okay.
So I would meet you on thinking that this is bad,
but I don't think for all cars...
No, I said performance.
Okay, performance.
Like classic performance.
You said classic and performance,
but you mean classic performance.
Because like, for example, like, I don't know,
like Suicide Door Lincoln, like,
I wouldn't mind an EV Suicide Door Lincoln.
Like that car isn't about the noise,
it's about cruising, the Vanagon, I wouldn't mind.
The Baja Bugs, an interesting one for me,
because I kind of find Baja Bugs to be like
performance cars.
And I do, having been in ones that sound cool,
you were just in the scumbug that...
Which rips now.
Yeah.
Oh, jeez.
It's so fast.
What's in there now?
It's like, it's Ecotech.
Ecotech, yeah.
It's like a big Ecotech with a turbo.
So it's a 2.4.
Yeah, it is terrifying.
But like, also, it's like...
There's something about the way the noise
echoes through a beetle, because it like,
just through the back wall of it, I don't know,
it just sounds, I mean, it's kind of 9-11-ish,
but it has like a really cool noise to it.
But I think they're like, cruisers, I don't mind.
Vans, I don't mind.
It's kind of like a whatever.
Like if you're trying to get from point A to point B
in the most comfortable fashion, you know,
yeah, it's like, it's quiet, it's, you know,
but again, absolute pain in the ass to recharge.
Yeah.
And then also, if it's a performance vehicle,
it's just lame.
It like, there's a reason why nobody goes to watch,
like, what was the F1 knockoff that they did
all electric vehicles?
Oh, no one cares.
Exactly.
It's called no one cares racing.
Yeah, exactly.
Nobody wants to go to that, because you,
it's not...
Formally, formally.
Formally, yeah.
Formally.
You're right.
Yeah.
Or like, E1, like the Power Boat Racing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Great, or like, what was the desert one, too?
That was the one I was thinking of,
because they had Ken race a couple of them.
Yeah.
Streamy, or something like that.
Yeah, like, I remember talking with RJ Anderson,
he's like, I don't know.
He's like, I don't know if they're just like,
laundering money or something, because like,
he's like, we're at these exquisite places
in the middle of nowhere.
Then we're like, partying on yachts and stuff,
but there's like, nobody watches this.
There's no, like, you can't view it from anywhere,
because you're in the middle of nowhere.
And they got to translate into all these different continents.
This is a whole other pod,
which is I'm going to start another podcast
called The Whole Other Pod.
But this is because every time the automakers
decide there's a new technology,
they take all of their motorsport funding
and they put it in that bucket.
And everyone sees an opportunity
to go build a cottage industry around this new tech
that everyone wants to go do.
EV was the biggest one.
Everyone jumped in.
Everyone got burned, because all of that stuff sort of,
everyone's turning around now.
Audi, who was like, we're never going to make
ice engines again in racing, are like, hey,
Formula One, hey, this and that, like,
you know, they're going back to it.
I'm not an anti-EV person.
I think there's places where it makes sense,
but, like, it doesn't make sense in racing to me,
because part of what makes racing cool is the sound.
Hell, yeah.
We're sitting here the whole time.
One of our biggest complaints
is people doing burble noise.
And the reason they're doing it
is because it emulates race cars.
No one's, like, adding, like, a sound to their car.
Yeah.
Think about, like, how much time is spent,
or was spent on sound design for Jim Conno?
Or how much extra time was spent on electric Conno?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right?
It was trash.
Because you can't get the feeling and the excitement
when you get here or something banging gears and stuff.
All right, I'm a big supporter of that one.
Let's talk squat trucks.
Yeah, squat trucks are just fucking
like, there's no, hey, you can't, it's dangerous.
It's straight up dangerous for you.
You can't see.
Yeah, you can't see.
It looks dumb.
Half your truck is lifted, the other half is lowered, right?
It's like, you know, when you see the movie,
Idiocracy, right?
And it's like, ah, it's playing live.
Exactly.
I just saw a kid rock at the Pentagon giving a briefing
on the straight air mode.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
So, like, you know, you're like, wow, we're on an accelerated
timeline to get to that.
But like, squat trucks, yeah, like, it's just dumb.
It doesn't look cool.
And then I had Kyle trucks, like, roped into that kind of,
like, like big, by the way, Kyle trucks,
because it was something that we named while we were
walking SEMA one year.
A Kyle truck is like a SEMA truck, right?
Like, ridiculously lifted.
Any level lift.
Stretched tires.
Yeah, sluicely stretched shaft, all that stuff.
Because that was when, like, the monster energy Kyle joke
was big, where it was, like, Kyle punches walls and sheet
rock.
And we were looking like, what are these things?
They don't even have a name yet, because they weren't,
like, squat trucks.
You can be on Hawaiian.
Hawaiian style.
And I didn't want to knock Hawaii with that.
Like, Hawaii has actually.
You would not drive that.
But also real Hawaiian trucks are kind of cool.
Like, if you go to Hawaii, like, the lifted, like,
Toyotas are kind of cool over there, and they fit in
Hawaii.
The, what, what we've done on the continental side of
that is an abortion of that.
26s and 28s with, like, super thin, stretched.
The whole outside of SEMA.
Yeah.
Fender, fend, yeah.
The fender lights, all that stuff.
Or we would always be kind of, like, baked into them,
you know what I mean?
With, like, our space.
It was always, like, surrounded by the trucks.
So we named them Kyle trucks.
And, like, that culture is massive.
I mean, we'd operate.
So those shows.
Huge money.
Like, the Atlantic City show that we do is, like,
40 plus thousand people.
And it's, like, all of Baderfield is packed with them.
Now, look, hey, if it's what you like to do, cool.
But I just don't like the look, you know,
with, like, the stretched tires.
I like, you go to Sidewall, baby.
I get it.
But we invited five of those trucks out for Jim Khanna 2022
when we filmed down in Fort Lauderdale, Miami.
And I actually thought they were kind of cool.
Like, I always thought they were uncool
seeing them parked at SEMA,
but watching them just, like, mob deep together
and the cars, like, crab walking down the street.
I was, like, I get it.
Like, to me, it's, like, lowrider culture for trucks.
Where it's, like, and I get that that's also
what mini trucking is.
But, like, I do appreciate when they're done really well.
Like, it's not my hobby.
But, like, I understood that about Donks, too.
But, like, they are real enthusiasts.
Like, they build things that work when they're not at SEMA.
And, like, when they're actually out driving.
It's, like, I get it.
It's, like, lowriders on three wheels.
Like, this is, like, it's, like, clown cars,
but there's something cool about it.
So, let's pull that out of there.
Squad trucks, though.
Terrible.
It's just dumb.
And then, also, the same time,
people would like to just park it on,
like, just to basically stock up.
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
Just, like, sit and do rev-offs.
Yeah.
Like, part of that.
I don't know if it's, like, the culture I hate
or just, like, the trucks are dumb.
Well, they, they, it's one of the things
that's actually been getting banned across the country.
Yeah.
Because they are, because people can't see over their hoods
so they keep, like, running into people.
Or, like, literally just driving over cars,
because they all have typically big wheels,
backs are squatted so much that they can't see forward.
And that used to be, like, the pre-runner aesthetic.
I was going to ask about that.
So, like-
So, it was done like that here
because they were built for desert running
where it basically was set up so that, like, it was,
it's, like, a cheaper way to, like, from my understanding,
someone will probably correct me.
But, like, it was a cheaper way to set your vehicle up
to run whoops with, like, big front suspension
and, like, a lot of plush rear.
And that's just kind of how they ended up-
So, on the street, it would just sit low in the back
because it had a lot of dirt.
But it wasn't, like, super dramatic, you know?
And also too-
It wasn't intentional.
Like, they didn't do it on purpose.
They did it because, like, that was how the suspension setups
ended up becoming on their trucks,
usually because they would put these big front suspension on
and not do, like, full, like, bed and, you know,
redoing the bed and, like, raise suspension in the rear
so they would get this, like, weird setup.
Now, they're in a situation where it's, like,
these guys are trying to be at the craziest angle possible.
So, yeah.
So, that's my list.
All right.
So, we got, uh, ghost cams, squad trucks.
What was the other one?
Oh, yeah, any EV swab in there.
What's your least favorite on the list?
What's, what's, what-
What really grinds your gears?
I think the ghost cam thing is the most defensive
because the squad truck, it's a dumb expression of car culture,
but it's still, like, that happens.
It's, like, VIP, you know, when people are driving around
on one inch of the inside of their tire,
when they've got a 315 tire, whatever it is,
like, that's stupid, but it's an aesthetic choice.
But, like, the ghost cam is, instead of taking the cam out
and putting a cam in and, like, being stolen valor,
that's what it is.
It's misrepresenting what your vehicle actually is.
Me, it's the EV swaps.
At first, I was not on the page,
but when we talk about just from a performance side,
like, if I, like, show up somewhere,
and there's, like, a beautiful, like, 9-11,
and I'm walking around it, long nose,
like, it's all just, like, really well sorted,
and I get around to the back,
and there's a fucking motor and not an engine in it,
I immediately, like, it's like, it's like watching porn
that when you get to a certain point,
you're like, oh, I didn't realize this was the kind of porn
I was watching.
Like, I feel disgusted and need to shower, so it's like...
That chick has it, dude.
It gets right in the front.
It's like, it's like, there was something about, like,
this isn't what I thought I was gonna be,
and I don't know, I've driven some of them,
but I don't find, like, none of them are better
than what it was before.
I think I will change my answer,
because when I went, when I thought EV,
I went to the classics,
because we were thinking positively,
but when it swapped into sports cars of any kind,
it's ruining the vehicle.
What are you doing?
Why are you doing it?
So, I think that, I agree with you.
That's the worst.
Because we had a bunch of people bring,
I mean, EV swaps were like on a trend for a while,
Tesla swaps, all of that,
and these guys would bring cars to Hoonigan all the time,
and they would absolutely decimate tires,
wheel speeds of 100 plus mile-an-hour burnout.
Like, it did all the things you would think you wanted to do,
because EV West brought that, E36 by,
really cool machine,
but I wouldn't wanna own it over the other one,
and as time has gone on, I find them,
I just don't know why to do it,
and I think it ruins,
like, a lot of cars are like,
you're like, it takes, to your point,
I think it takes the soul out of the car.
Yeah, I agree.
It's like the robot of it.
So, also, and by the way,
I'm not saying I like anything that's on your list.
The one I give, and I know that this is high on the list,
because I've already taken a sneak peek at the,
at sort of the blind spot list from the Patreon,
but like, squatted trucks are super high on the list,
but as a guy who also drove like, really slammed cars,
like, I understand driving something completely,
not pragmatic, because it looks cool to you.
So, like, I have a small soft spot for that,
but I just find that like,
the EV swap thing is weird to me too,
because it's almost, like,
I don't know who that enthusiast is,
who's like, I wanna take this really cool car,
and like, make it.
I wonder if it's generally not car people,
but I think it's definitely gotten less popular,
because like, you're not seeing it.
As much.
No.
It was a boom for a while.
It was huge, because it was like, new tech,
and it was like, oh, this is like,
this is where the markets go, and we're gonna,
and then as soon as they were like,
nah, we're not doing that,
and then everybody's like, thank God, all right, finally.
Yeah, yeah.
All right, so wait, you didn't have to swap your vote.
No, but I agree with you.
I do, truly.
Of your three, which one irks you the most?
Being the cam guy.
The ghost cam is pretty offensive to me, but.
We might have to just bundle it into the pops and the cam
all underneath like, sort of like faux ECU programs.
Stolen Valortunes.
Stolen Valortunes.
There you go.
Stolen.
Stolen Valortunes.
That could, we could just group that,
because I think like, we've said Burble,
we've said pops and bangs.
And then that's, I actually, that's how I had it,
like, grouped.
Yeah, it fits in.
It fits under there.
So we got EV swaps and then Stolen Valortunes.
That's so far on the list.
Yeah.
Okay, we're all in the greens.
All right, we're going to take a quick break.
We'll come back.
I'll drop my list.
We'll go through the blind spots,
and we'll try to order them all.
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And look, I want to start by giving a little caveat
to my list is that I knew that like all of the corners
were going to be covered by you guys
and also the Patreon list.
So I tried to like think a little outside
of the box of the traditional things
that like you would lean to.
And maybe some things that are like a little controversial
that maybe we don't think are bad,
but I think that are.
Okay.
Fire away.
So I'll try to get through the whole list
without him cutting me off.
So I'm just, wait a little, wait a little,
wait a little.
Hot calling the kettle black.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, you know, my bod, my rules.
Okay, first up on the list.
And this may be something that comes with age,
but straight pipes on street cars.
All right, I can already see.
I can straight pipes on street cars is the first one.
The second one for me is rep wheels,
but I will carry that over to any kind of like replica thing
because nowadays it has become so easy to fake everything.
And to me, I think part of the culture,
especially of building cool cars,
is like finding the right stuff and like tracking that down.
Not always, it doesn't always come in the spending.
It's just like either getting that good deal
where when everything is available
for the lowest possible price
and usually questionable material
and quality and manufacturing, that one.
And then the last one is 1000 plus horsepower street builds.
Hmm. Let's get into it.
You know, I know you're gay.
I owned cars that technically make 1000 plus horsepower,
but I think that do you want to go on that one first?
Sure, we can go a bit.
I think that the trend that every car now needs to make a 1000 horsepower to be cool
has sort of we've we've like we've we've lost the plot of like what makes cars fun.
Yeah.
And I think we I mean you even said like what did you say to us
before the camera started rolling about your Tahoe
or can you not admit it?
Because then people will know that you're a little soft inside.
What that's that's absolutely terrifying.
Undrivable almost.
You couldn't drive in here.
Well, no, because I don't have a beta fuel cell
and it's also registered.
You live like blocks for me.
You you built a vehicle that is so unpractical
that you can't drive it to my house and we live in the same town.
I mean, technically, I probably could.
It's just not.
I don't know.
But you might not make it home.
Yeah, gas stations in between.
Well, it's got to be at least 85.
And then yeah.
So look, my point here is.
But yeah, that's you make a good.
I'm going to go out by saying I love that 1000 horsepower crazy machines.
But I think we have moved into this modding trend
that like 500 horsepower is not cool anymore.
Like 800 horsepower is barely cool.
And now every car has to have 1000 horsepower
and we have the technology to now do that.
I don't think that with that comes like one.
I don't think most people can drive 1000 horsepower car
like with any level of real control.
I think that these horsepower wars have gotten a little out of control
and we've created this like this carrot
that everyone's trying to build something
that when you actually do own it is not actually fun.
It's actually not cool to drive.
It's like it's a pain in the ass.
Yeah, it's a monster.
I test drove somebody's ZR1 that made like 1100 wheel.
And I was like, dude, this is like unusable.
Yeah.
Like in any sense, like any part of the power band
in any gear, even on like real sticky tires,
just like it's worthless, but it's sick.
But it's also you can just drive it around like.
Five years ago, the amount of people
who had 1000 horsepower cars was pretty small.
Now it's like it seems like it's become a new normal.
Like the recipe is so proven.
It's not as expensive to build that kind of power
as it once was.
I'm not saying it's still cheap, but I also like,
I wanted to pick something that didn't live in the like,
I'm cheap.
So I bought, you know, caliper covers.
Like this is the other side of it.
This is the like, you have money and you're going
and building something that is kind of a useless car.
Yeah.
I mean, it's.
It makes sense on track.
If you're a drag racer, you know, like, but.
In most most times, like some most people
that are in the 1000 horsepower range are usually
on like turbos, right?
And like, I guarantee nobody's just driving around.
Like that that shit is turned most of the time
all the way down just so you can like use it.
Because it's a bragging number.
Yeah.
Like it's just cool to be like, oh,
my thing makes 1000 horsepower.
Yeah.
Like my Nova makes, I don't know, maybe 650.
Yeah.
It is plenty fast.
It's plenty powerful.
I said that to you last time and you questioned my sexuality
and you were like, we're going to throw nitrous on it.
We're going to do this.
We're going to do that now.
And I'm like, I'm like, cool.
We can do that for the fun of it, but like,
I'm never going to turn the tanks on like not for regular.
And that's the whole point.
I think if you have all this power, but you can never use it,
then I think you're missing out on a huge part of driving
that car is getting, being able to floor a car
for more than half a second is like a really enjoyable thing.
You know, and actually if you have a slower car,
which you have several, there's a green one outside,
like getting on the freeway.
I'm sure you have to floor it.
And it's exciting.
I don't know, for me, like when I was a kid,
flooring the car and just watching the numbers climb
was so exciting.
And wrapping another gear.
And I knew I was doing something I shouldn't be doing.
Instead of short shifting because you're afraid of like.
And if you have 1000 horsepower, you turn to get on the highway,
you put it in fourth, you barely touch the gas,
you're at 80, and then you don't get to really enjoy your car
until you get off again.
Well, the sweet spot, I think for street cars is like 550, 600 wheel.
That's like, it's perfect.
How do we get people back to that?
Because I think this is the new goals everyone wants a 1000.
Well, it's because of the internet, right?
Everybody's just bragging.
Now, like I built a vehicle that can't make less than that.
I have it turned all the way down, but it's like Roots Blower.
It's just not going to make.
And it's like, I can't use it.
Right.
I mean, I can.
It's sweet.
But it's not really a street car.
Yeah, no.
Like you would like to street it,
but it's you built it for something else.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But like if you can't.
I wouldn't call what you do motor sport, but it's sport.
It's a sport and it involves motor.
Motor flexing.
Yeah, yeah.
Motor flexing is the perfect term.
But no, I mean, it's like.
It's like is bull riding a sport?
I don't know.
It's kind of like the similar thing.
Like you go into a pen and you try not to die.
Yeah, basically.
But no, it's like 550, 600 is great on the street.
You know, I mean, for usability, you could drive it
and then you can lean into it.
You know, you'd still probably get that thing up real,
getting some trouble.
Yes.
I'm surprised I'm getting any level of agreement from you.
I was sure this was going to be the one that you're like,
that's insane.
Every car needs a thousand horsepower.
No, no.
You actually are practical in moments.
It's turning 40.
It's the 40.
Yeah.
I'm old now.
But you also, you know, I always thought that like the
bigger number was cooler and hypercars.
She always does.
Exactly.
And hypercars, you know, the Veyron had a thousand.
Oh my God, this unattainable number.
But then more hypercars have that.
And then all of a sudden supers were making it.
Everybody GTRs were making it.
So it just got boring.
And I think maybe for you guys, like the more I was exposed
to the car culture and around it for my job,
the less interesting that stuff became.
And I remember we filmed this guy.
He had a 1200 horsepower.
No, he had a 900 horsepower GTR.
And we said, how long is this kippin' on there?
He said, I had the 700 for two months.
Now I have the nine.
I'm kind of bored.
I think I'll go for the 12.
And I went, oh, so you're just chasing this drag
and you'll never catch it.
So I think it's exposure and maybe people will just slowly
get bored and then they'll return back to six,
700 respectable horsepower.
I drove 1700 horsepower.
You drove the same car.
It's phenomenal.
In the right environment.
In the right environment.
Yeah, it was on a closed runway.
Yeah, then it's amazing.
That's what it's for.
But to just drive around and verbal pop your B58
and then pull into the movie theater and be like,
I have a 1000 horsepower.
How much did you use on the way here?
200?
I will say, I did ride my buddy Justin's Twin Turbo R8.
And it was like, oh, you could just go and get groceries in this.
No, it's true.
We clicked off an eight second quarter mile
on a completely unprep service on street tires.
And the AC was on.
And I was like, wow, this is pretty good.
It does work for some cars.
That was amazing.
I'm not here trying to say that no cars should have
1000 horsepower.
I'm saying the trend that that seems to be the new standard,
I think, is bad for the whole culture.
I've said it before.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Now, it's funny, yesterday I saw a video of a guy make it.
He's like, yo, these are the new Alibaba Kong Blower lids
for LT4s, LT5s and stuff.
So on the fake replica stuff, just knockoff stuff,
it's getting out of hand, man.
No, I mean, look, in the early days,
I may have felt different about this because I felt like,
hey, car culture and cool car culture shouldn't only be for the rich.
So it's nice that there's something another offering.
But now it's a full rep where it's like, do you want BBS RSS?
Or do you want like BB5s that look just like a BBS?
It's like, well, that's, again, it's in a stolen Valor thing.
It's like, that wheels cool for whatever particular reason
to a certain person.
And like finding a set, rebuilding a set is all part of it.
Like buying a set for $400 to look like that.
I mean, we were talking about watches before the show.
It's like fake watches versus like, why wear a fake Rolex versus a Rolex?
Like I'd rather you just buy a wheel that's not,
that's like its own wheel that's less expensive
than trying to have a TE37 or trying to have that.
And I think that goes across the whole market
because now it's like everything,
like I think someone really called it like Alibaba tuning, right?
And it's like, we're just everything now.
It's just fake parts.
And I don't know, it just, it, one, like,
there's just an inherent like reps are not cool,
whether it's a Gucci bag or it's wheels,
like there's just a certain element of like.
You remove craftsmanship.
Yeah. Yeah.
And, and there's a piece of that.
The second part of it is it's bad for the industry, right?
Because the people who put all the work into engineering these things
and building a name around them, like that gets out there.
You also might be buying a wheel that's not up to the standards
of a real company and then it can shatter it 100 miles per hour.
Like, I was going to say all those fittings,
like those dynamism fittings, like he constantly is battling,
like people just trying to like knock off the thing.
But like the problem is in like the craftsmanship
and the engineering that goes into some of that stuff,
it's like, sure, it's got like kind of the same look
and sort of the same function,
but it doesn't have like a 10,000 PSI rating, you know, it's like.
Right. Right.
Ed.
So there's the safety side on that stuff.
And also you just buying fake shit.
I think the last part of it is,
this one's kind of like a harder one to explain
because I think the internet has changed this for all of us
and everything is like, I think part of what makes hobbies fun
is like the progression that like you go and you get, you know,
you build this, like you get that, like on my first car,
like, you know, I had, I had springs and then
when I was able to afford it, I bought coilovers
and I started with conic wheels and then I got better wheels
and like, you know, you just like kind of keep upgrading
and being able to build that because, you know, there was
the one, it wasn't easy to get all of it to,
it was some of it was out of my means.
I think having like everything to be just available
and you can drop it down and like hit send.
And it all just shows up and then you put it all on.
It removes part of like what makes the hobby fun.
Like building cars like in one, and we did it for YouTube.
So we probably created part of that trend,
but it's not like the way a car should be built.
Like a car should be built over time
and you continue to enjoy each mod versus like,
hey, here's my car, it makes it, I built it,
it makes a thousand horsepower
and the first time I'm ever driving it
is right now with a thousand horsepower.
Yeah. I mean, think of anything you've, you've bought
where you, you researched it a lot.
Like all the time researching, you're getting the anticipation
and like the joy of shopping and researching for this thing.
Like you're getting all the brain chemicals.
Like, and you can stretch that out for six months
while you save for springs,
while you save for coilovers.
But if you just go and get a bunch of replica stuff,
it's not as good, but it kind of looks like it.
I don't, people will think they want it all right away
and I don't think they do.
I think you're missing out.
That being said, I just bought some rep stuff
for one of my cars.
So I don't know.
But there was a set, because there was a set of mirrors
that I really wanted that are like no longer possible to find
and somebody remade a couple of them,
but they, but they remade them in carbon fiber.
So it like improved what they originally were.
They fixed some of the initial things,
but like that's like those mirrors are longer available.
They're very hard to find.
And they were kind of flawed to begin with.
So I think that's different.
There's reproduction of something that is just gone.
And then there is straight up copying something that exists
that you want to sell for less money and fake it.
And that's not cool.
Yeah, I definitely paid more money for this.
More expensive reps.
And then straight pipes.
What do you guys thoughts on that?
On the street?
They're super.
I mean, you mean straight all the way from head or back?
No, no cats is dumb.
And that's not just me.
That's Steve Dynan on our show.
He was like, you gain five horsepower.
Maybe that's really stupid.
So people who are taking the cats off,
you're making the people who are behind you in traffic pass out.
So here's where you're not gaining any power.
It's loud, cool.
So here's where that comes from.
I won't say which car because I'm not trying to snitch myself.
But I have a couple of cars that are straight piped.
Do the cars turn on?
It doesn't matter if they don't turn on.
And one of them is a daily, right?
And I went, I know, but I'm changing my look.
Look, I can be part of the I am part of the problem.
Most of this podcast is me saying, sorry.
Murder should be illegal.
Hey, you know, self-awareness is a true virtue.
So here's where I, and I'm going to change it
because last year I did this like event.
It was like a drive slash car show kind of thing.
We called the Tref punks was old Volkswagen Audi guys.
We did this drive.
My car didn't have cats at the time
and nobody wanted to be behind me.
And eventually at the end, myself and Jason Whipple,
who's my partner in Tref punks said,
okay, next year we're making a rule
that no one can have straight pipes
because like it makes it unenjoyable
for the person behind you.
And if like when you're only hanging out with your own friends
and you don't want to be behind your friend,
you start to realize like this isn't really worth it
for the four horsepower.
So I don't know.
So I don't.
And also straight pipes on VQs should like be illegal.
It's funny.
That was punishable by that.
And as to force.
I was at a race track last weekend.
They sound a straight pipe to E46 sounds the same as a VQ.
Stop doing that.
Trash.
It is trash.
I have a neighbor that like constantly has like a clapped drift car,
you know, like a missile and like, man,
every Friday it's fired like this.
Like, God, damn.
Well, also like that Arab BMW was like anti-rasp.
What was the, the, the like, the,
what was the thing that they used to sell for those?
The exhaust.
It was like an anti-rasp.
I think so.
Yeah, that exists.
Because they just sound so shitty.
It's not terrible.
Yeah.
I'm not going to ever put exhaust on my car
because it sounds worse.
Yeah.
So straight, straight pipes just really.
Like no, no cats.
Okay.
Well, so here's the argument for no cats.
Right.
There's also the sound.
I want to be that guy.
What do you have?
There is a little bit of an environmental problem with it too.
Which like for a race car is fine before a street car.
Yes.
But like, so like the rest of you get when you don't have cats.
Sure.
It sounds nasty.
Right.
Like I don't like straight pipes with no muffler,
like some sort of like resonator.
Right.
But I will say my vet has cats on it.
Yeah.
It's so much more pleasant to drive.
And it's loud as shit still.
Oh yeah.
We mentioned it like five times in this part.
Yeah.
I was like, how does this thing this loud?
Because I thought it with cats.
Like I was kind of forced into the cat thing,
but like I didn't mind it because I was like, you know.
Is everything in your body just want to be like,
fuck the EPA.
Pull my cats off.
No headers.
Just open valve.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My fucking 17th amendment right.
Like the engine valve.
You know, like I will say like it's fine.
Right.
Now I'm a K5.
I don't think I could put cat.
It would like the more muffle that is like runs way worse.
Like it's too much.
Yeah.
I mean my Nova doesn't have cats.
Big blocks need.
Old cars different.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's kind of a lot.
But like, yeah, you know.
Back when we still poured oil into rivers.
Also that.
When chips had lead in them and paint was made of whatever.
But no, I would say like, especially like straight pipe,
like supercars.
Like Dostron was higher.
IQs were lower.
What America was America.
Let's not go ahead.
I'll stop cutting you off.
All right.
Let's move into you guys now decide which of the
my list you want to move forward.
For your straight pipes,
1000 horsepower cars or rep product.
Mostly rep wheels, but you know, just like high end rep stuff.
I'm going to go rep.
I agree.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay.
That's the move for you guys.
Because it's it's stealing.
It's stealing the work of engineers, other companies.
And you're not just, you're not,
there are so many different designs you could have for a
wheel.
For example, that will look close to basket weaves
without stealing the IP.
Yeah.
The only reason you're making,
getting ones that look just like BBS basket weave,
for example, is because you want people to think of BBS.
Like you're straight up lying to people.
You are doing it for $400.
Yeah.
You are lying.
And you're like arguably trying to fit in only to then
be called out for having reps,
which like blows back on you to begin with.
Yeah.
I think the horsepower thing is just technology and access.
It's automotive catfishing.
It's tripled down from.
Yeah, it is.
It's automotive catfishing.
You know, once you, once they really get there,
they realize you're not as hot as you said you were.
Right.
And they're like, oh, great.
No, I gotta fuck this person.
Yeah.
That doesn't happen to Zach often, but you know, so.
All right.
I would have said, I'm just,
I want to put my vote out there.
I would have gone for the 1000 horsepower trend and I'll tell
you why, because I think it has created an unattainable
expectation of cool to new entries into the car community.
I think that there we have risen the level of what is
considered like the bar that the bar now feels so high.
And then actually when you get to the bar,
you realize like you didn't want to be at that bar to begin with.
But I think that it's removed like the coolness for like just
a cool, well sorted, like 250, 300 horsepower car.
I think that that problem you speak of is real,
but I think it permeates more of the car culture than just
horsepower.
I think people think they need a 911 or they think they need
something expensive to have a good time.
They need a crazy motor swap that doesn't make sense.
And then they need to have something, they need to,
they need the RS at the end of their GT3 and they need a GT3
at the end of their 911 because just a regular 911 isn't
cool enough to Vinny fucking snob.
Anyway, make that a clip that.
Send it to him.
Yeah, no, I mean, there's that problem too,
which is maybe a whole other conversation.
That's a whole other pod.
But Vinny is a problem.
All right, I'm going to move into the blind spots.
You guys voted me on that one.
So right now, moving into the blind spots,
we have sort of any kind of tune that creates swizz,
where we're now referring to a stolen valortune,
which I love that, that works.
And then from your side, we have.
Vodros.
No, no, it was the other EV swaps.
EV swaps into performance cars.
And then from my side, we have reps.
All right, now let's bust out with the Patreon.
Okay, as always, we question the Patreon a day or two
before we do this to get them to give us what we refer to
as the blind spot list.
So these are things that like maybe we weren't thinking about.
Okay, one of the ones that comes up immediately
is Instagram handle stickers.
Oh, damn, I was.
That was a good one.
It's a good one.
It's not even a mod.
It's just something you shouldn't do.
But I guess it feels like a mod.
Like you had to pay for it.
You had to put it on your car.
Yeah.
Who has ever looked at someone's car
and been like, I'm going to go follow that?
Nope, never.
I don't think anyone does.
I'll just I'll ask the person if I'm talking to them
and I like whatever they're building on
and talking about it later,
I'll be like, oh, what's your thing?
Don't you see the back windshield banner?
And you know what?
They don't do that.
They just go, it's this thing.
These words.
What do you think is like,
do you think they think like some other dude's
going to roll by and be like, oh, man,
that dude's cool.
I'm going to go follow him.
Or do they think some chick is like, oh, man,
you hear his fucking pops and that's what they think.
That's the dream.
I want that dude to pop and bang me.
I'm going to hit him up on his Instagram pop,
pop and bang and Instagram handle combo is pretty.
It's serious.
It's a it's a full Edgar move.
Yeah, you're in there.
Yeah.
Honestly, I don't know, man,
but like you're just you're causing problems for yourself
because you're exposing exactly who you are.
And you know, it's easier to track and with all these cameras
that all with all the flock that got brought in
is right damn takeover kids.
Right. Yeah.
So you just you know what?
You're just giving up, you know,
all your information to be have that car seized.
Here's one that I actually disagree with.
I don't mind them that much is rock lights.
So like like basically underglow but for trucks.
I don't know.
Oh yeah.
I'm a bit of a racer.
I still think like I still think rock lights are cool,
but it's on the list a couple of times.
They wrote Lucas Graham says rock lights,
squatted trucks, that whole class.
That's a little that's just right there.
Except I've seen I've seen trucks that was like the rock
lights stuff underneath 200 grand.
Underneath it says rock lights are the underglow
for pavement princesses.
So yeah.
Oh, that's 100% sure.
Yeah.
When you have rubber band tires on a lifted truck.
Yeah.
I will say rock lights in the engine bay makes for really
nice when you're trying to work on stuff at night
and like find a problem.
It's a good point.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
I actually think rock lights like the original
intention for them is off-roading at night
and being able to see around the vehicle.
That was the original idea as in it shows you rocks.
It's become a little bit more like check out my wheels
and check out my.
It's accent lighting.
Check out my chrome like my chrome axles
and things like that.
But like, I don't know.
I'm going to eventually put rock lights on my van
because my van breaks.
Everyone's still going to have to work on it.
They're the same as like a house that has a light
shining up at its palm tree.
So at night you're like, by the way, we have a palm tree.
By the way, you know what we need to add it?
Because I had a few things on my list when you said
that I thought about it is OEM mods.
Like things that like the manufacturers have started
putting in cars that are really uncool.
Up badging.
No.
Up badging is like that's like what people do to it.
More like like engine noises coming through the speakers.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Another one I want to call them out for is like,
I really hate that when I open the door on my wife's
Land Rover, it shows the image of a Land Rover
on the floor next to her.
Like, oh, it's just so grand.
Yeah.
Anyway, and now the M2CS has lights in the doors
that tell you that say CS.
So if you're sitting there, you remember what car you're in.
Yeah.
That's that's just that's just a lot.
A lot of guys here on Burble Tunes, big wheels on old cars,
nine out of 10 times, they look like rubbish.
I don't know.
It's kind of a size wheel.
Tinted front windshields.
I mean.
I happen to have a very tinted front windshield on my Raptor
because I got it from Arizona and you know what?
In Arizona, it's kind of nice.
In the desert, it's great.
If you live in the desert, but I get that.
But at night.
Oh, I didn't see it.
I have to roll my windows down to like go through parking.
Yeah.
So I think these days you can get clear UV film that is
very helpful for sun and skin care and stuff.
But you can still see.
This is a really good one.
And I may be I may be I may be a little guilty of having done
this in the past is you fake overlanders with your top
heavy rooftop tents, creating enough drag to decrease your
miles per gallon by 10.
It was number six on my list.
It was.
Absolutely.
Okay.
So that could be.
Truck rice.
That truck rice.
Yeah.
That could move into into one of our our blind spots.
I support that one forward.
Horns.
So basically like train.
Train horns, anything in that kind of space.
Andy says Altezas and either Andy didn't read the last decade.
He's from 1999 or Altezas are back and we're too young to
know.
We're too old to know.
I'm not really sure.
Now we're talking about Altezas lights on I-300.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You will remember.
Yeah.
And then they went everywhere.
They went everywhere.
Yeah.
I'll be honest.
When those came out, I thought they were serious.
So did I.
Because it was different.
It felt like so future.
I stick.
Yeah.
I definitely was sitting there trying to figure out
how to do Altezas on my golf.
I never did.
But yeah, some of those things.
Let's see.
Whistles that go.
Oh, that's an old one.
It's a old club rub.
Woo.
Someone else said.
Someone else said actually said exactly what we said.
People going catalyst to gain four horsepower,
but it only really smells like shit all the time.
Jillian says that.
Yes, Jillian.
We agree.
It's not.
Let's see.
OEM.
Let's see.
Bad overlays putting uglier wheels on the stock.
I don't know if I would say that's a trend,
but we've all seen people do that.
We're like, oh, that looked better when it was just stock.
Why did you change that?
Fake hoodpins, fake scoops, fake vans.
Fake scoops and vents was on my list.
Straight piping non-performance cars.
I don't know.
Actually, I think if you got like a Dodge Aries,
like run that thing with a straight pipe,
full bozo out the back, like just do it.
A lot of verbal tunes, a lot of squatted trucks are on here.
This guy says squatted trucks, especially the Carolina squad.
I didn't know that there was a difference between.
Oh, you didn't know that's.
Yeah, I thought that was where it was originated.
I didn't realize it has its own deviance level.
I should have specified the Carolina squad.
That's like that's that's like maximum.
Can you inform you?
That's like that's like a 35 plus degree rake angle.
Whoa.
That's almost the optimal angle for peeing across the room.
Yes.
45.
Maybe it's a continuation.
This is a good one.
Rolling two step on a normally aspirated car.
Because there's no reason for it.
That's a good one.
That's a good one.
Um, chassis mounted wings on stock road cars or hot hatches for no reason.
Doing K or LS Coyote Hellcat or Jay-Z swaps for no reason or affordability.
Many cars have good engines, whether they're supposed to or not by aftermarket.
Okay.
I think this kind of falls into the Vinny argument, which is like the engine swap thing is we're
doing it too much.
Like not every car needs an engine swap.
Oh, just swapping to swap.
Just to swap the swap.
Like to swap because of the cool points of the swap versus like a good reason to swap the car.
Right.
Like instead of like, hey, I can turbo charge this car and make a very reliable and good power.
Instead, I'm going to rip it out and put in a car, put in an engine from another manufacturer
for cool point.
Yeah.
So clout swaps.
It's like a YouTube problem.
Clout swaps would be a good way for that.
Dodge owners.
Dodge owners who leave bright yellow splitter protectors.
Yeah, we all agree with that.
Making Rams say war off road builds with highway tread tires.
Oh, that's a good one.
Street driven diesel trucks with hood stacks.
Kind of mentioned that before.
Let's see what else we got here.
Shotgun tunes that was you mentioned that giant wings.
Chrome part store knickknacks.
Oh, dude, you know, I was going to say that was going to be one of my like,
the wheel lips and like.
I don't think anyone will be honest.
I don't think anyone who does that listens to the show.
No, they don't know when I see those things.
I actually have like a like a weird empathy reaction because it's like you have been so
you've been led down the wrong path, my friend.
Like like this is like, like let me be your shepherd.
For that.
Why are you adding like the Buick portholes?
Yo, my, you know, my neighbors are some creators to your prelude.
My neighbors, the back speed boys, they always go on these like they buy like the
shittiest car they can and then they do like a quick refresh and much stuff.
And they came with this SN95 Cobra, right?
And it had the Buick ports.
The crowd was like, what part of South Los Angeles did you get to?
Actually, that's exactly where we got it from.
And I was like, was the guy like 50 plus?
They're like, yeah, actually loves Buick.
Like I thought of that in my own one, which was just like parts store mods.
I was going to say that that wrong aisle in auto zone.
Yeah, like, yeah, like where you're just like, oh, but at the same time,
I remember being really young and just really wanting to like mod my car.
Although my car was already modded and like not having access, it's different today,
but like not having access to places where you can get like really cool parts.
And going to places like that, only to sit there and say, you know, like, oh,
do I want that?
Like, oh, that'd be kind of cool.
Like, you know, and I'll admit, like I definitely did like fake carbon wrap,
like dash parts and stuff as a kid, you know, you grow out of it.
But it's like a teenage phase for cars.
Like the same way you get like piercings and, you know,
dire hair, crazy colors and stuff.
You're just like, well, I can afford $20 for.
I'm going to put this GTR badge.
Yeah, yeah.
Or like, I was going to say, if we were doing this from a time period of like the 90s,
you remember like the, the radiator hose sleeve that made it look like an A.N. line?
Like a brand.
Yes.
Yes.
I wanted that too.
So, okay, one, what do we like from that list?
Is there anything there we want to move forward?
Can I throw one in that I'm shocked wasn't matter?
Let's go with this one first.
And then we'll go, we'll go into the extra things we have.
Carolina squad for sure.
Because it was missed on the first pass.
I mean, but yeah, it's a, obviously lots of people.
A lot of people said it.
If we were going to do it, what was the other one?
Did it have a lot of up folks?
Yeah, that was definitely, just the amount of people who said that was really big.
So that one was definitely there.
The Instagram handle one was also, was also pretty prominent.
Instagram handle mod.
I'm, I'm, I hate seeing Instagram.
Every time I see one on somebody's car that I'm like, hey man, you're cool to don't do that.
Please.
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Okay.
I think I like this, the swap one I think is it, but that's a smaller problem.
I think it's a YouTube.
Yeah, that was on my, that was on my list.
Like if we were to expand, expand my list of five, I would have included like cloud swaps.
So, because I think that there's this world where like we're just doing, we're just doing it to do it.
I vote Instagram handle.
Tony Harmer always says to me, he always says like, man, people really just be doing things.
It'll send me a link to just some crazy car build.
It'll be like, man, people really just be doing things.
It's the best way to explain it.
So, so if you had, if we had to go between Instagram handle or squat trucks, what's your vote?
My vote is squat trucks.
It's a terrible thing.
I mean, Instagram handle is bad too, but.
Squat truck.
Dangerous.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think squat trucks is, is that it feels, it almost feels low hanging fruit to me,
but I guess it is pretty bad.
It's easier to take things out of the bed of the truck, I guess, but harder to put them in.
Are you like pushing uphill the whole time?
Yeah.
It's also really made the vehicle completely useless.
Yeah.
And that, yeah, that's a problem.
Yeah.
What else you got?
The one I had was putting Raptor lights on trucks that are not wide enough to be Raptors.
You know, the three orange lights that Tacoma boys like to put on there.
I want to tell you, Mike Burroughs just did that to the truck I sold them.
Really?
I sold them an F1.
I sold them.
The F100?
Well, Ashley's F100, he put the roof lights on.
He put the five lights.
Can you give the audience the legitimate reason why that was a thing?
Yeah.
When the Raptor came out in 2010, there was a law that any vehicle that's wider than
80 inches had to have three orange marker lights, no closer together than six inches,
no further part of the thing than 12.
And it had to be on there just to tell people, Hey, this is a big vehicle for things like buses.
Or dualies.
Or dualies, stuff like that.
So the Raptor was, you know, 87 inches wide or something like that.
So it needed it.
And then it became cool.
Because it's the stolen Valor thing.
That's a really common threat I'm realizing because it's people shown up in smaller trucks.
It's the sock in your pants.
And they're like, no, no, no, I put them on too.
You're like, but you don't need them.
It's like, oh, I know, but the Raptors have them.
And I want to be a Raptor.
I want to be a big kid.
You know, like, well, you're not a big kid yet.
So just wait.
Did by bringing on half of the smoking tire here, we become just an elitist podcast now.
Because it's like, if you're not here, everything is stolen.
I'm just kidding.
Yeah, it's not that.
I'm just like, well, here's the thing.
They don't, they don't project any light onto the ground.
So if you're off-roading at night, great, put all the lights on you want.
But those three orange things only, their only purpose is so people see you in the dark and go,
big truck coming.
And then you, and then you show up.
So you show up with a Tacoma, which is a superior vehicle to a Raptor in many, many regards.
I was a first gen Raptor owner.
I'm going to.
They're awesome.
Wait, what's superior?
I think the Tacoma does some things better than Raptor does.
Trail.
Have you ever driven up a hill in a stock Tacoma?
Like, like, I mean, like, I mean, like, I mean, like,
over 80 on the highways.
That is difficult.
No, that's true.
Raptor is a better highway vehicle.
It's a better open desert vehicle.
But for like, I've been on some narrow trails for off-road camping.
Raptor is problematic for that.
Yeah.
But that's, but it is a great truck.
Don't get me wrong.
Okay.
So we have, just so we can, we can kind of go back.
Stolen Valor.
So we have stolen Valor tunes, right?
I love that we've branded that this time.
So we have stolen Valor tunes.
And that's going to include like pops and bangs.
It's also going to include like.
Ghost cam.
Ghost cams.
Which I didn't even know is a thing.
That's the horrors of life.
Obviously, then we have.
Why do I keep forgetting yours?
EV swap.
Oh, right, right.
For performance.
Of course.
Yes.
EV swaps for sure.
Because EVs are forgettable.
The experience is forgettable.
Ah, yeah.
That's true.
Nice, nice job there.
And then our rep parts.
And then we also have our squat trucks.
Okay.
So let's add one more thing from either something that was said here.
Could be Instagram handles or is there something else on your list that you've got?
You stole my.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
It's right here.
Oh, thanks.
Recycled.
Yeah, what's funny is like I had straight piping any VQ.
Oh, I had.
Okay.
I love how specific you were.
Yes.
Bolt on flair.
So basically like Bushwacker JDM builds.
Like, yeah, like I there's there's some things where it's kind of cool.
I think it works if you're running a bigger tire.
Like I have built like I have the Bushwacker flares on my van,
but I'm also running a 10 inch wheel.
So I'm talking about like there's all these like kits where it's like just bolt on flares.
And I just think it looks like a Bushwacker.
Oh, you mean on cars?
Yeah, on cars.
Okay.
So the name for that.
And I would say it actually goes back more than 10 years,
but we used to refer to that as the Overfender Nationals.
Yes.
Right.
Which was I want to give the credit to Formula Dirt for that one,
which was like the Overfender Nationals was SEMA.
Like every call, like what can you not Overfender?
Like everything gets Overfender.
It's the Oprah of body kits.
It's like just put an Overfender on everything.
So I have a few Overfender cars, but you know, it works on some things.
You I have an RWB.
Yeah.
And my my my Audi Coupes Overfender also running a 12 inch wheel.
That's also like it's like race car shit.
Yeah, I'm talking about but it is now a fucking BRZ.
Some 220 horsepower.
Yeah, it's the it's the non-necessary version.
Yeah, but I don't know.
I think honestly, above that, the Instagram handle one definitely trumps it.
Yeah.
Anything else that you got?
I mean, straight pipe VQs.
Did you have other stuff on your list?
It sounded like you had some backup.
You wrote the Iliad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You brought in war and peace over here.
What do you got?
Just strap, never do, never do.
Oh, no, you already covered it.
Stick on.
Stick on scoops and vents.
Can I post your can I post your research to Patreon?
Because I think other people might want to read it.
No, it was stick on scoops and vents, which we covered.
We covered that one.
But I think straight pipe VQs are offensive to your point.
They enter your living room and they have sex in front of you.
And we need to stop that.
It's not like good sex.
Right.
It's not the sex you want to watch.
Because sometimes when a Ferrari comes down my street,
I want that sex to wander its way into my living room.
I get to hear it.
Yeah, it's because it's an Eastern European 12 out of 10 coming into your room,
not, you know, a d*** with, like, anyway.
Oh, we got to bleep so much of what Zach says.
But, OK, yes.
You've seen so much more of the world than I have.
Well, you do.
And all this before 12, too.
It's just the amazing part.
All right, so we're going into our final five.
Stolen Valor, tunes, EV swaps on performance cars, rep parts,
squat trucks and Instagram handles.
And we think that's better than anything else that you had previously said.
Like you had other stuff on your list.
You obviously had squats.
You got two things in anything from your list better than your caliper covers.
Better than the Instagram handles happens across all marks, all models, all income levels.
Yeah.
And look, if someone here is listening and we can educate the youth,
that that's just not something we should be doing to our kids.
There's adults that do this with like, they're like a new member.
Do you have it on your coning seg?
Okay, that's actually the largest.
That's like one of the biggest.
Yeah.
All right, guys, we're going to take another quick break and we'll come back and we'll
try to rank all of this.
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I found these the other day.
The Reese's Big Cut Strawberry Peanut Butter and Jelly.
So it's a Reese's cup, but with strawberry in it.
No one's had this.
No.
All right, everybody gets their own.
They're tinkering with an almost perfect snack.
So risky.
All right, initial responses as you're still chewing.
That's not bad.
Somebody engineered some flavor.
Yeah.
Top scientist working on this.
I think it needs more jelly.
It's like 5% jelly taste.
It just tastes like Reese's, which is fine.
I mean, Reese's is good, but I agree.
It's a little light on the jelly.
Zach, what's the funniest thing you've ever had in your mouth?
Which Zach?
Oh, I mean, I don't remember her name, but it was behind a dumpster in the dumpster.
One thing about Zach is Zach will eat just like raw meat
and then turn around and then just eat garbage.
He doesn't let everyone see him eat garbage,
but I've eaten garbage with him.
I might be his garbage friend.
Sometimes any port in a storm.
All right, boys, rank him.
Yeah, what is this good on a scale of 1 to 10?
I'm going to give it like a 3 because I'm already like starting to like not feel good.
I'll give it a 5.
It was a 6, but now my stomach does hurt.
So I give it a 5.
I really enjoy like the peanut butter and jelly,
like the little like, what are those called?
The crustables.
Crustables.
Yeah, like those are good.
I have a child.
When you have a child, you eat child food.
Did you eat those before the child arrived?
Yes.
Anyway, back to the show.
No further questions.
All right, we are back.
We are back.
Let's rank them, boys.
Let's start with, usually we would have 6 and we'd have to kill 1,
but let's just start with what is almost acceptable?
Like what is the thing that maybe doesn't deserve to be on the list?
Right?
So it's got to be the fifth place thing.
So what's the thing that like?
Squad truck, I think I'd put fifth.
Okay.
It's it because it's an excuse.
Give me the argument.
It's not a good trend.
It is a little bit dangerous, although it might be.
Yeah, it's the most dangerous one on here.
But like there's,
muscle cars back in the day had a huge forward rake.
Yes, it was based on like drag racing and stuff,
but it became an aesthetic that permeated into the streets, right?
And it's just, I think it's a trend.
It is an aesthetic choice.
People think it's cool.
It will fade.
That's the other thing is I think it'll go away more quickly
than some of these other ones
and let people kind of drive the thing they want to drive.
Hopefully they don't hit other people.
What's your take on that?
I'm going to have to say maybe IG handles would be at the,
I mean, it's gross.
But like it's not in your,
like you're not going to get rear-ended by an IG handle.
Yeah, and you're not also, you know,
stealing people's ideas and concepts.
It's not just super irritating,
like the tunes with like pops and bangs and stuff like that.
Right. You know, so.
I would be between that and EV swaps.
Because here's the thing on the EV swap is like,
it annoys me, but I also am one of those people who like,
I hate when people tell me what I shouldn't do to my car.
And I'm like, do you know what I'm saying?
Like it's your fucking car.
Meaning like, no, no, no, no, but I,
It's like this tireless thing, right?
I guess, I guess more what I mean is like,
I have a bunch of Porsche purists who are like,
Oh, I can't believe you, you know, chopped off your show.
I'm like, I don't fucking care.
Like it doesn't matter. It's my car.
I can do what I want with it.
I feel like the EV swap thing kind of like goes into it.
It's not, it's not like hackery.
Like they usually, a lot of the swaps are done pretty well.
Some of the 911 swaps are actually reversible,
which like makes it less of a problem for me.
I just think it's not cool.
But I guess that's what the whole,
I guess the whole argument here is like, this isn't cool.
It's not really about safety.
And is, is the EV swap really just like,
it's a version of the engine swap that bothers us?
Like if you take a 911,
I would argue that I think I would argue that it is actually
peak clout swap because like,
I think especially when all of it was happening,
and I got friends who saw the car,
so I wouldn't hear from this, but like, like Lee,
but like, you know, those are things that like,
it was like, Oh, this is cool.
And people are going to think it's cool,
but like you made the car worse.
Like you probably made the car worse,
especially if it was already a performance car.
So maybe, maybe it's, maybe it is IG handles.
All right, so IG.
I'll go, yeah, because it's not dangerous.
IG handle fifth.
All right. Next.
I mean, in the way we've been having the conversation,
next is either squat or EV swaps, unless, or rep parts,
or stolen valor trucks.
But it seems like those were all for us.
For fourth, for the reasons.
I'll do EV swaps and forth to, I'll agree to that.
Because like rep parts is super irritating.
And it's like, it's, it's damaging to the country.
I will argue that maybe squat trucks should be there.
Should be fourth.
You know what, as soon as I said that,
I kind of pulled the words back into my mouth,
because I guess again, just like IG handles,
like EV swaps aren't really dangerous other than that,
they could catch fire and an entire fire,
fire patrol can't get it out and takes like three battalions.
True, but gas cars tend to catch fire more often, statistically.
Because there's more of them.
Is it by ratio?
I think it's by ratio too.
Like the fire thing is, is going away.
And, and well, then there's hybrid fires.
That's a different story.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's the, it's the fact that most,
and this is a whole other conversation,
but it's the fact that we are now installing
containers full of water at fire stations,
because we don't have to put the fires out.
It's just a little terrifying.
That's true.
It's a little scary.
I've seen an electric fire.
I'm going to tell a story, though maybe I shouldn't.
Actually, I think I'm still under NDA.
I was once involved in an electric car
that we had to leave in a parking lot over two nights
and like leave it away from everything else hidden
because we thought it was going to explode.
Not just a parking lot.
G4XE?
What?
Is it a G4XE?
I can't say what it was,
but it was definitely terrifying.
We all thought it was going to blow up.
So we found an empty parking lot
and left it there for two days,
hoping that it wouldn't explode.
All right, I guess I'm good for EV swaps in four.
This has not been as much of a fight
as I thought it was going to be.
It's almost so easy to heat with you guys.
It's like it just really just comes naturally.
We all agree on the heat.
We all agree on this.
So all right, top three we're getting into now.
Third place, is that where Squatch Rocks land?
Or Repparts?
I mean, I will say this,
the Patreon no one really mentioned Repparts.
I actually guess they did.
Some people said Alibaba tuning.
I'll say Squatch Rocks is third,
in my opinion, because it only affects
the Squatch Rock community and the people they hit.
But that's still a fairly limited number,
whereas Repparts are stealing from all the people
that have made parts,
and also it's the stolen valor thing.
And then so is the tunes.
Man, I almost didn't put Rep on my top three list.
It's crazy how fast it's moving.
I'm glad you did though.
I wouldn't have put it or thought,
we made the joke in the chat earlier about it,
which I thought was really funny,
but I think it's a really good point,
because it's taken all this product,
all this money away from people who made the real thing.
And sometimes the Reppart is literally dangerous.
Sometimes it's just like a heavy shitty version
of the thing that you really wanted to buy.
And other times it makes the original thing uncool
because the Rep becomes so prolific
that people think that it's all Rep.
So you're dragging it down.
Yeah, it starts dragging it down.
Like there's certain wheels that used to be
really hard and rare to find like OZ Futuras.
And like now there's just like a ton of Reps in the market
or like the original AMG Monoblock Aero II.
Really cool wheel.
Now there's a Rep company that makes them,
and it's like all of a sudden everybody has them again.
And like the search for that was part of what made that wheel cool.
Okay, so third place, Squat Trucks.
Squat Trucks.
This is almost too easy.
All right, all right.
So now it's between one and two.
So Stolen Valor tunes or Rep parts.
What's the, which one, which one is the worst of the current Mod Trends?
Which one really just-
I'm gonna go to Berkshire.
Like I'm gonna go to the tunes, man.
Is the worst.
That's gonna be my number one.
That's gonna be my number one.
I didn't want to say it, but that's my list too.
Because they're everywhere.
They enter the living room.
They're offensive and they're misrepresenting a lot of stuff too.
I don't think anyone would give you much of an argument for it.
It is probably the worst part of culture right now.
It's also, I'm gonna add this one because we haven't really talked about it.
It is close to as annoying as takeovers are to the police department.
Oh yeah.
So in talking to my friends at the sheriff's department,
they're like one of the issues is that we get so many phone calls for gunshots because of this.
And do you remember at Hoonigan, because we were in slightly of a dicey area when we were
at Hoonigan Long Beach, we used to have a triangulating system
that would go off all the time whenever we would run any of our cars that had anti-lag.
Oh, the gunshot triangulation system.
So the triangulation system can tell where there's a gunshot and then it can narrow it down to like
30 feet.
So the police used to constantly come to our building while we were like tuning or testing
cars or just filming, thinking that there had been gunshots.
And they'd show up and we'd be like, we're just filming.
They're like, all right, fine, we figured as much.
Give up the three south of the border Honda boys.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's like that was, you know, so that is one of the things that causes like the annoyance
level, but the annoyance is so high that now the police are mad.
And the only way they know how to deal with that is to say all aftermarket exhausts are now banned.
And that's how we're moving into a future of the world where you're just not going to have to tune
your car at all or make any changes.
So like that, I think is one of those ones where like the eat like the
Yeah, that affects the future.
The red parts affects the present.
Yeah.
And the red parts is like, it's annoying.
You could argue that we're being a little classist because we're saying, hey, you shouldn't
buy things unless they're real.
But I think that from an engineering point of view, from an IP point of view,
which like I'm a big supporter of creative IP and people should get paid for the things
they make and you shouldn't be able to rip them off from the safety point of all the
broken stuff and like wheels just splitting or just bad, bad quality stuff and things like that.
That's all really bad.
But yeah, I don't know.
I guess, yeah.
I mean, nothing really matters.
You guys have already voted.
So it's, we've already ranked this, but I just wanted to talk through it.
So burn a few more minutes on the clock.
That's true.
Because it sets an end.
And do you agree with that order for yourself as well?
Yeah, I think this works.
I mean, I would, I kind of knew going into this, like when you first texted me because I asked
you, this was your idea was like, what was the worst mods?
And when you, when you and I texted back and forth at the top of my head, I was like,
this is either going to be squatted trucks or verbal tunes.
So can I tell you something that didn't get on the list?
And maybe cause it's more than a decade old.
And I kind of forgot to mention it before is truck nuts.
Truck nuts.
I started writing it.
I went to old.
It's too old.
It's 15, 20 years.
Like it feels like it's in the past.
And I'm still offended by them when I see them.
I'm still like, oh, like I don't need to see that.
Somebody made a lot.
Oh yeah.
Yes.
Cause that was every, especially in the Midwest.
Holy shit.
It was everywhere.
Yeah.
I'll also say another one.
And this is probably just me being older and I have a child now, but like big profanity on cars.
Oh yeah.
Like there's the one guy who I think has like, he had the windshield banner on the back of his car
that said like, I eat ass.
And like he kept getting pulled over.
I was in charger because that guy had, I saw one of those and he also had his industry handle.
And it's like, I get it from a first amendment point of view.
It's like, yeah, you should be able to say whatever.
But it's like, I don't know.
It's just like, it's like that level of attention.
It's like, you don't realize how much of a douchebag you're being.
Like you were giving me the douche chills.
Right.
You know what that means?
Like I feel.
Yeah, you're by association.
By association, like I feel douchey.
Yeah.
Like I'm cringing at your doucheery.
Quite a few stolen looking G8s at LSFest West this last weekend that had some wildly profane things
blasted on the back windshield of them.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, it's, I get it.
Like when I was a kid, I remember people had like Calvin pissing on Chevy logo or Ford logo.
We've had it in the community forever.
I don't think it's been our brighter side.
So there's that.
All right.
Any, any other notes, changes?
Anyone else forget anything before we lock this in for, I mean, this is basically history.
This is like the New York times of this year.
This is the written word now.
Yeah.
This is it.
All right.
Here we go.
The list.
Number five, Instagram handles as stickers on your car.
Number four, EV swaps in performance cars, especially classic performance cars.
Number three, squat trucks.
Number two, rep parts.
Stop robbing from the real people who made things.
And number one, a term that was coined on this show.
Copyright.
Stolen Valor tunes.
And please explain that.
Stolen Valor tunes.
That's Burble tunes, ghost camps, backfire, shotgun, machine gun tunes, whatever the hell
you want to get.
Cracks and pops and bangs.
All that bull shit.
Listen, just just do get some real parts in there.
Okay.
Yeah.
Don't be a get a real tune.
Get some real parts.
Let's let the car make power or just straight pipe your car like other people used to be
lower on the list of bad things to do.
Number seven, yeah.
Yeah, be a number seven.
Don't be a number one.
No.
So, all right, boys, this has been fun.
Gentlemen, super fun.
Yeah, good times.
I think we made a decent list.
I think we got real progress here.
It's fun to do a very unserious list.
No one seems upset about this.
Normally when we end this show, people are like, I don't know how I feel about this list
because it's about something that's really important and dire and true to them.
This doesn't, it's whatever.
This is very important, but I think we all came together to hate.
Yeah.
And that's a good way to bond.
Oh, yeah, guys.
That's the end of the show.
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About this episode
Zack, Scotto, and Zac run a decade-long “worst car mod trends” debate and land on “stolen Valor tunes” as the top offender—fake-sounding burbles/crackles/bangs that turn into an obnoxious parking-lot nuisance. They also slam rep parts for “robbing from the real people who made things,” squat trucks for visibility and safety issues, and EV swaps for stripping a car of its “soul.” The ranking continues down to Instagram handle stickers, while straight pipes and cat removal get called out for ruining the experience for others.
0-60 time
1000 horsepower
1000-plus horsepower street builds
accent lighting
aftermarket
all electric vehicles
AMG Monoblock Aero II
A.N. line
ANSI Z87 spec safety glasses
anti-lag
Audi Coupe
Audi Quattro
Audi R8
Audi S8
BMW 3 Series
BMW M2
Bugatti Veyron
Chevrolet Nova
Dodge Aries
Dodge Challenger
Dodge Charger
Ford F 100
Ford F-150
Land Rover Discovery
Nissan GT-R
Porsche 911
Porsche 935
Rolls-Royce Ghost
Suzuki Samurai
Tesla Model S
Toyota Tacoma
Volkswagen ID. Buzz
Volkswagen Vanagon
Original notes
It’s time for a change up and after exploring several Top 5 lists, we thought it was high time to settle the WORST modding trends of the last decade. Who better to find the definitive ranking than Zack Klapman of The Smoking Tire and returning deviant and partner in mischief Mister Zachary (Zac Mertens). This episode may hold the record for the most censorship beeps ever featured on the show in its entire run to date (and yes.. Producer Nick did cry in legal many times) but to get the full skinny, go check out the Patreon - you never know what you’ll hear over there. For now, time to find out if you are one of the modding elite, or a common style criminal. Only Firing Order has the answers - enjoy!
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https://bio.site/321actionaction
00:00 - Welcome & Introduction
00:30 - Sponsors: Heat Wave Visual & KW Suspensions
02:08 - Meet the Zacs and the Rules
07:12 - Find the Pre-Show on Patreon
09:07 - Zack K’s List
27:47 - Zac M’s List
47:23 - Sponsors: FCP Euro & Wera Tools
49:47 - Scotto’s List
01:08:56 - Blindspots (from Patreon)
01:19:07 - Picking Final Five
01:27:42 - Snack Break by Vyper Industrial
01:29:31 - Ranking the Worst Mods
01:40:36 - The Worst Five!
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