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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the P1 Podcast with Matt and Tommy, five-day

shakedown done and dusted.

We've still got two weeks of testing remaining.

This one was the most private of all, as we know.

We did a day one podcast, we did a day one shakedown of the P1 channel, to be honest

with you.

But then we thought, there really isn't that much to talk about over these next

few days.

But we wanted to highlight and speak about things that have come out over the last few days since

we last did the podcast.

It was much better to round it all up once we had lots more information, lots more running.

Literally, the second day, we just had Ferrari and Red Bull going out in the wet, not really

doing a lot, other than Hadjard going off, of course, which you saw the-

A small off.

A small off, as they called it in Formula One, which was him going backwards into

wall and Red Bull, worrying they might not do any more running.

But a small off.

A tiny off.

We'll talk about that later and some of the other teams that even Formula One themselves

were being very generous, I think, with the teams and what was actually really happening

a lot.

Yes.

They were wrapping them in cotton wool, weren't they, and not wanting to say anything

particularly harsh?

Now, 10 of the 11 teams have run their cars, and as we said in the first day, but if you

miss that, three of the five days, they could pick and choose to decide to run their car.

However, if they went out the pits, that was it.

That is a day locked in.

It doesn't matter if they do one lap or 100.

And all teams managed to do three of the days, apart from Aston Martin, who managed

two, and Williams, who, of course, did not even turn up, but there seems to

be slightly more positive news coming out of that camp in the sense of passing crash tests

and being ready for the next phase of testing.

What if?

Daddy Vaz has actually cooked.

He's hiding something.

They've got the magic bullet double diffuser Braun GP, and they're just waiting for Bahrain

so no one can catch up in time, and they're like, boom, here you go.

That would be quite something.

That would be quite the mood to be so confident in an upgrade that you just

or an entire car concept that you don't even need to test it, mate.

We've got the virtual testing, whatever they were doing this week, but it would be good

to see that.

The VVT or whatever they call it.

Virtual.

Yeah, I don't know.

It felt very much like just a simulator, which I mean, whoop-de-doo.

But still, look, we look forward to having Williams back on track and to see that

car out for the first time in the next test, although not entirely sure how much we're

going to see of that one.

I think it's an hour we see at the end of the day.

On this, they announced that very early.

We'll get into this, but very similar to what we said on the first day.

It's been nowhere near as bad as 2014 with the reliability, not even close.

Did they make that decision too early?

Because it's not going to be that bad, surely.

It's not embarrassing for the odd team to have a reliability failure here and there

like you do normal testing.

It's been nowhere near as bad as 2014 where we've not had teams failing other than

obviously Williams with their struggles, but they didn't turn up.

But no team's done like one lap and packed in and gone, oh, the car doesn't work.

So yeah.

So you're all waiting to find out this big bit of news.

And that is who was fastest at shakedown testing.

Now I want to preface this, preface it, preface, preface, whatever, either or, that these are

unofficial times from SoyMotor, who have become the F1 pinnacle media because it appears to

be the only people that have been getting the inside scoop of times of laps.

It's insane to me that this is not being escorted from the premises.

I know it must have some insane zoom on that camera, but then also they're being

fed lap times like it's insane.

It's insane to me that this private test where no media have been allowed to have

anything and SoyMotor, they're like, we will have everything.

We will share everything with you.

I've learned a lot of Spanish over the last few days watching their streams.

But without them, we'd know nothing.

So thank you for your coverage, despite I don't know how you got it.

So the fastest unofficial lap of the five day Barcelona shakedown Ferrari.

Go get the flag.

We are winning it all.

So Lewis Hamilton clocked an unofficial one minute 16.348, a whopping one tenth faster

than George Russell in the Mercedes from a few days ago.

So a few days ago, one day, whatever.

Russell's fastest lap was a 16 445, also, of course, unofficial.

But I absolutely love the fact that Ferrari have bolted on a fresh set

of softs at the end of the day in the fastest probable conditions and plonked

in the fastest lap of all just to get my hopes skyrocketing.

Yeah, it's not like Ferrari, is it?

To Aura Farm, not at all.

The private test, Tommy, we're not even supposed to know this.

How are you farming?

No, true.

Well, yeah, they have been Aura farming a lot with their posts.

They also, you know, they've been posting a lot.

Worth bearing in mind, they were fastest as we joked on day one of 2014.

Why are you going to?

No, I have you got to just bring me down the second I get excited.

So I so I will say right now that they are a lot better than I thought.

I think it's I think I think it's very promising.

I think it's very, very promising, actually.

Surprising, I if I was to predict again, I would not be putting them

as my biggest flop, that's for sure.

Would you not?

No, I think I know we joke about testing and I don't look too much into testing,

but yeah, it's impressive what Ferrari have done.

You know, they've Hamilton and Leclerc, two of the fastest

five times of the whole session, like the whole shakedown.

The whole, yeah, the whole shakedown.

I love how like, don't take testing times, you know, take it with a pinch of

salt. If that, where does shakedowning times?

Because this isn't even a test.

We're in shakedowning, which is should be even less.

And I know I know that now it's not towards a test.

What I will already I can I can hear the comments coming in of

why are you getting so excited?

It's only testing.

What I want to say to this, right, is that, you know, people that say,

look, you can't learn anything from testing.

You shouldn't be getting excited.

This, that and the other first and foremost, we're Formula One

content creators that really enjoy the sport.

And we will take any tiny smidge of information that we can.

And as a Ferrari fan, I will run with it that we're winning it all.

If that's the way I want to absorb this unofficial soy motor

lap times that I've received, then I will do that.

You don't have to get excited, but I will.

And also, it's not it's not going to be the final classification

order of the world title.

That's not what you're saying.

But the fact that, yeah, hopefully, Samson would win and Leclerc

before the championship.

But look, it's incredibly it's it's not people.

People get confused between don't take too much into lap times.

And and, you know, it's not a bad thing being fastest in a session.

Like, how can it be?

How can it be a bad thing?

They've also done a lot of laps, you know, for our

area of clocked over 400 laps over the kind of three days

that they've done as well.

One of those was in the wet, of course, as well.

But yeah, they've they've done a good job.

Like you can't you can't deny that.

We'll know a lot more after official testing.

And of course, there's going to be two of them, two, three

day extra three day tests.

And we'll know a lot more then we'll maybe, you know, the

media will be covering it so no more about run plans and things like that.

But you can't just shut it down as like, no, no, this this means

nothing because we know it does in the past.

Like it definitely does mean something.

Yeah.

And I think that is a crucial thing to say here is that, yeah, as you

say, it doesn't determine the order.

But if Ferrari are toodling around in one minute, 20 twos, you

can read something from that.

You can read that they're struggling a little bit because you

wouldn't actively go that much slower than what the fastest

time is of that day or of that of that week.

And also the mileage.

You know, we've said this many times when we've reviewed testing

before, but yeah, it's all about the mileage and Ferrari have

been phenomenally reliant, reliable and consistent.

Chaleclerc smiling in interviews.

That in itself is worth everything to me, as you know.

But I think, you know, we look at, again, these numbers are

unofficial.

They come from SoyMotor.

And I believe this was halfway through the last day.

This is the last accurate information or accurate.

This is the last up-to-date information that I've got.

So for the overall powertrain, so not just the team, but whatever

teams are running those particular engines.

So Mercedes, it was 963 laps that they'd run across

shakedown testing.

Ferrari 815, Rebel powertrains 575, Audi 161 and Honda 54.

Now remember, that's engines and obviously Mercedes.

Yes. And then you've got to remember that that's obviously

looks good for Mercedes and Ferrari, but they've got multiple teams.

So you don't want to be like, you don't want to look at Audi

and go, oh, that's really bad.

Like, obviously they'd have loved to have done more.

But I would argue in some ways, of course, yeah, it's inflated

for the Mercedes and the Ferraris of this world.

But also that's crucial information full stop for developing

that powertrain as much as, yes, Honda have had the lowest

amount. They don't have as much data just in general to

try and improve on what they've got.

Yeah. And Ferrari, you look at, look at obviously like 815

they've got, they supply engines for Cadillac and Haas and Haas

did an awful amount of running right at the start of the

session. They looked amazing with their reliability.

But yeah, they've done like 400 laps, Mercedes of those

963 laps, 500 of them, just their own teams.

So obviously like someone like Audi who will speak about

later, yes, it's only one car and same with Honda, but it's

5461. It's a lot less than the likes of Mercedes and Ferrari

that are doing, yeah, like over 400 laps of their own team.

And yeah, it can be very under also obviously topping the

timesheets as well. So very impressive from those two.

Exactly. I'm taking a look at today's running of laps

and Ferrari across Hamilton and Leclerc did 147 laps.

McLaren across Norris and Piastri did 166 laps.

Verstappen himself did 118.

Gassley did 164 laps.

That his neck is going to be hurting tomorrow morning.

It's gracious me.

But yes, there's a lot of running and a lot more running

than anyone anticipated.

So let's see all of testing because they're going to have

the camera set up, just press live.

It's that simple, right?

Let's get into some questions, shall we?

We've been waffling on because we're excited about the season

that is still a month and a half away.

Cubonmoire, I don't know if that's how you pronounce it.

Why does everyone get all excited about lap times in testing

when we all know it's just about laps and each team's programme

and if they were able to complete it?

Let me go back to what I just said.

We get excited because we love the sport.

Yes, we might well get ahead of ourselves.

Yes, I might believe Ferrari are winning it all.

But that's my prerogative.

That's what I'm allowed to do.

You can go as far or as near as you want with this information

that has been leaked rather than displayed by Formula One.

But what I would say is be your own Formula One fan.

Don't watch it at all.

Watch all of it.

It doesn't matter.

This won't matter, of course, when we get to Australia.

But we want to have just small little jigsaw pieces

to try and put together who is going to be fast in 2026.

Exactly.

You can choose to ignore this information

if you want to go in completely blind into the season

and it'd be a complete surprise.

No spoilers, Tommy.

All the people that watch Drive Survive

and then they don't see the whole season.

They don't watch the season, yeah.

But that being said, you know, we do know a good amount

from what we see and I think there is a little bit of

I think it's maybe overplayed

and it feels like something you can be like,

don't look too much into times and things like.

Yes, that is true to some extent.

But, you know, Mercedes were fastest in 2014

by like a second and they obviously were very, very quick that year.

And you look back at kind of years gone by,

there's so much information now available.

And particularly when we get to Bahrain,

obviously we'll know a lot more.

I fully believe that after Bahrain we will

and when we've got everything there

and we've seen a lot more and there's the information

and the media are there and everything,

we'll know even more about what the kind of pecking order is

because you can say like, oh, it's only testing.

But realistically, after the test, after testing last year,

we were like, oh, McLaren are really, really good, aren't they?

They won the championship really comfortably.

The year before, our Red Bull and Maskelet,

they won the championship comfortably.

You know, years gone by that it's kind of happened.

Tommy McLaren won the Constructors.

So you're saying Red Bull won in 2024.

That's that's, you know,

well, they were like dominant.

They got one, two, I could hear the keyboards.

OK, OK, but but basically like you do get a good idea.

So to say that it's all irrelevant is not it's not.

Yeah, absolutely.

Question from R&B sheep.

Do Mercedes look like the clear favourite

and can we expect another 2014 season?

It's two parts of this question.

I'll start with the good news.

I would say that I don't think another 24 season,

2014 season is happening, hopefully,

fingers crossed or pray manifesting

because we don't want one team being miles ahead.

I think the key thing here is that Mercedes

can't do what they did in 2014 and have the best engine

by a mile and make sure none of their other teams have a prayer

because they're not allowed to do that as much as as much as they can

in this new regulation.

You know, McLaren like Lando did the third best time of the test.

They've obviously got pace McLaren.

We know have beaten Mercedes before they did it last year

with their power unit.

So it can happen.

It's not a case of just because the Mercedes,

if it is the best power unit, they're going to win.

Like it's not going to be that same as 2014.

However, whether they're clear favourites,

there's a reason they're the favourites.

They were favourites before any running.

And I think what they've done so far is incredibly impressive.

Quite ominous, actually.

They were first to roll out the pits.

They did the most laps.

They were incredibly quick.

They even mentioned, well, the other teams were obviously talking about how,

you know, they've got teething issues and things.

Mercedes actually said that they completed their programme a day early,

which is quite a quite a flex.

So they're talking themselves up quite a lot.

And I think they can be,

it's quite clear to me that I would be surprised if Mercedes

weren't the favourites and fastest going into the season.

But I don't think they're going to have an obscene advantage.

And I'm actually very reassured by looking at the kind of lap times

that we've seen so far.

Lap times mean nothing, Tommy,

apart from when Ferrari go fastest.

Yeah, I mean, it's more heavily regulated, isn't it?

The advantage that Mercedes can have with their engine

when they also give their engine to their customers.

I believe that it can't be as big as 2014.

Surely, you know, clip it up, get it ready for Australia

when they're on pole by a second.

I just I just cannot see it.

I think that McLaren, you know,

we haven't been speaking about them that much,

but they've had a very quiet but solid test.

You know, I just mentioned they did 166 laps today.

They're kind of weirdly going under the radar

with everybody talking about them and not talking about them

when they have the Mercedes engine.

And as you said, they literally won last year.

So for me, I don't know if this is copium,

I hope that I feel it will be closer than

than what some people might anticipate with this 2014 chatter.

And if we do, we are having to change sport

because I can't be doing five years of

Mercedes every race, you know, safety car restart,

three laps in the seven seconds.

Clear. I can't do that again.

I really can't, but I'm hopeful that it will be a lot closer.

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Maybe? I don't know if Aston Martin have thought, right, we can't beat Mercedes in their own backyard.

We're going to have to go with an engine that nobody else has and pray to God that Honda cook up an absolute banger.

The other side of me thinking this is that the only reason that Adrian Neary wouldn't be able to cook is if he doesn't have an engine

in the back of that Aston Martin that's the best or like at least really competitive.

So I guess on paper and Aston Martin Mercedes and we might well be talking very different in terms of our expectations.

We saw the Aston Martin roll out the garage and the, I mean I know very little about aerodynamics and the way in which the car is structured

but it was very unique. Especially at the back with the suspension and the way it's put together.

It's an Adrian Neary design and it could well be something that's incredibly fast

but if they don't have a Honda engine to match the design then they won't be able to compete.

Yeah, I had GP2 engine flashbacks when I saw it roll out the pit lane

all the aura about the Aston Martin and how kind of good it's going to be

and then them stopped five laps in and the car broken down.

But there's two sides to this isn't there that I agree that Adrian Neary you'd kind of do you bank on the fact that

you can beat Mercedes with their engine but do better aerodynamics with Adrian Neary on board

or is it a case of like we need to be significantly better and we have our own power unit

that no one else has on the grid and it's the perfect blend and harmony

because of course Adrian Neary and Honda have already had that working relationship with Red Bull

so he's already got that experience working with Honda to build his car around it

so maybe that was more the thinking behind it as well but of course it is a risk to go down that route

I mean all know Fernando Alonso doesn't have time on his side

so even if the Honda does get better and makes Lance Stroll champion of the world in 2033 or whatever

Alonso doesn't have that time you know he can't wait for another Honda to do what they did with McLaren and Red Bull

in the last hybrid power where it takes seven years for them to deliver a championship winning engine

and you know that is what it's 52nd birthday that could be

Happy birthday Fernando you got to 51 and you've finally got a Honda engine that's good

Yes I hope for his sake that doesn't happen and he can compete a little bit sooner than that

Question from Varun Goes Beyond

What are your thoughts for the Aston Martin rumours and developments? Is there a big surprise hidden?

I love how much aura Adrian Newey has that that car rolls up the pits

and I've seen people like describing it as like the greatest work of art ever

and oh my god it's like the Sistine Chapel and stuff

It's like a watch, it's like a beautiful craftsmanship

I'm sorry if that same design was on the V-Carb no one would even bat an eyelid

They'd be like what on earth is this direction they've gone with?

Yeah they'd be like oh that's interesting because it's new it's like wow this is unbelievable

and it's funny isn't it because it rolled out the pits and within four laps it was broken

so you don't obviously that might be the power unit but it's all part of the car together

so we get to find out more on that but it's amazing how yes they've gone for a very aggressive car

super secretive there's so much expectation and it only added to the aura that they were kind of like

everyone was waiting for that car to come out on track and they hadn't made it on time

and they'd got out the garage just at the end and it finally hit the track

yes it is very extreme like you know weirdly the kind of rear suspension is attached to the rear wing

which is very bizarre and there's also again it's all here saying rumors but that the potential front DRS flaps

that they believe that one team that there's rumors that one team might have found like a loophole

where they can manage it electronically rather than hydraulics and it was saved loads of weight

and stuff is Aston Martin who knows but whatever the case there's a lot of hype around that car

and the amount that they have gone in on Adrian Newey the hype you cannot do a black and white hype post

saying the first Adrian Newey car rolls out the pits you can't finish seventh in the constructors after that

I'm sorry it has to be good yeah it has to be good

I mean I'm not going to complain about aura farming because I have experienced it a lot with my beloved red team

but there's a lot of excitement for Aston Martin I hope for I want to see Fernando Alonso fighting at the front

of course my prediction was the complete opposite and I thought it was going to be a bit of a flop

the car itself and Alonso wouldn't be able to get the most out of it and look

I am going to come back to my previous point about if my Ferrari were tooling around at the 1 minute 22s

or 20s or whatever I wouldn't be too excited well Alonso today did a 1 minute 20.7

which is four and a half seconds slower than what Hamilton did

but again testing time has been nothing but I'm telling you just in case you care

because it's not like they've been writing any kind of headlines since they have come out on the track

question mangoes dot mermaids how promising are the red bull powertrains looking

I would say they could be pretty happy of course the hadjar small off was something that they would rather have not had

I think they had to wait for parts and all sorts of stuff so not ideal for red bull there

but in terms of you know they had a lot of good mileage I would say for a team that of course

in a transition phase of doing their own one and look I think it was a pretty strong

shakedown for the red bull powertrains they didn't make any headlines for having low lights

and struggling out there so from what we can gather reasonably good

yeah I think so as well we talk about being scarred from 2014 with Mercedes

maybe this is part of my Max Verstappen not winning a race prediction as well

but also been scarred by Red Bull in 2014 because of course they were completely dominant

with Sebastian Vettel for four years we went into the hybrid era

and my whole memory of that red bull Renault in those tests during the kind of early power

unit tests in 2014 was it just breaking down all the time they did like one or two laps

on the first day they continue to have multiple reliability issues so the fact that they

probably had that in the back of their mind you know building their own power unit

working with Ford it's a big a big change and yeah the fact that they've kind of

managed to seemingly not have major reliability issues obviously you know they've

been able to hide things to a point but you know we've not seen them breaking

down or catching fire and yeah exactly all we've seen through the trees is how

do you are having an off which was of course we don't know if it was drive rarer or just

or a car era that's all I can tell you that's all I can tell you it was a tiny

backwards into a wall at the fastest corner of the track I also want to just

quickly come in a soy motor again the goats out there they've they've come in

with the confirmation of the amount of laps for each team so Mercedes 500 Ferrari

437 Haas 390 Alpine 347 racing Bulls 321 Red Bull 303 McLaren 287 Audi 240 Cadillac

164 and Aston Martin 66 so that is the unofficial official amount of laps

well that answers your question about Red Bull right the they're certainly

nowhere near off I mean I'd love to compare that to 2014 I imagine it's

probably you know barely double figures from from the first three days that they

had back in 2014 so it's a positive start for a brand new engine to be doing

that many laps you know you look at there and the one that stands out is

Aston Martin only doing 66 but of course they did only do one full day

exactly one very very very very short day and 66 more laps than Williams so at

least they're not last exactly interesting the Audi managed 240 considering

they did make a few headlines for red flags I think I'm day one and day three

of shakedown testing but 240 laps for them is nothing to be upset about I

think that for for a new team coming in and with their own engine I think

that's a pretty awesome amount of laps considering yeah they've done a good job

you we mentioned that we're joking about like the formula one wrap-up videos and

how they're keeping everything a secret and you know like the the Aston

Martin's rolling out the pits and they're sharing the videos on social

I'm pretending that the first day they're like Audi are new to the sport

meanwhile like the footage is the car on the back of a flatbed truck and

Vortelletto walking into the garage they're just like how do you return to the

sport after like a back in the sport the legendary name and you just like I

can see the visual here that does not look good that's not quite matched the

voiceover hasn't really not but I think they've bounced back pretty well

considering for a completely new power power unit and you know coming into

the sport if you'd have said that you would have barely you know you'd

be pretty close to McLaren I think you'd absolutely take that one yeah

yeah definitely okay that is us done and dusted for the shakedown five-day

summary I look forward to actually seeing cars out on track in some fashion

next time they hit the circuit for the second week of testing Tommy what are

your final thoughts final thoughts I completely agree I just can't wait

for the nice comfort blanket which is a timing tower to come back into our

lives and just give me that timing tower back I need it I need it I just can't

we can't live without it now having having just yeah just relying on a tweet

every four hours from a page that you just kind of hoping is correct it's not

the way to go with all due respect and thank you so much so I will look

forward to never speaking about soy motor again so I can actually just watch

the cars rather than looking at tweets so there you go thank you everybody for

tuning in appreciate you as always we will see you in a bit where is the next

will be the Williams car launch but they're now not doing it in real life

anymore yeah so we'll do something for that so look forward to that and yeah

see you soon

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