What jeep Owners Do That Mechanics Hate ( it's A Jeep Thing )

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Well, today's topic, here you go Jeep people, you Jeepsters out there.

What Jeep owners do that mechanics hate?

And I'll tell you, I've done my research because I wanted to hear, not just my opinion, I wanted to hear

mechanics North America wide.

So I have done that.

I have collected the information directly from technicians across North America.

And I've picked out, I think 12 points and then some extra things that you should know if you are a Jeep owner

that you may already know or you may not have experienced yet.

And getting a heads up on stuff like that, pattern failures and things that are problematic certainly helps you.

And I like to use the 2008 Nissan Rogue that was donated to us.

And you know what, we rescued it and we put it back out on the road and pretty much everything's fixed.

We only have to fix the shifters, got a little wiggle to it and it's just a clip and a plastic doohickey.

That's the problem and the driver's side top door hinge has got some wiggle room.

So we have the hinge, but we don't have the pieces for the shifter.

But what I have done is my due diligence in asking online and looking at people who own Rogues, Nissan Rogues,

what are some of the pattern failures that you see happening?

And so I wrote them down and I have them.

So now you know what, in my maintenance program, I will stay ahead of those things that are a problem.

So biggest one, number one, the CVT transmission, the continuous velocity transmission.

You need to service that with the dealer oil, nothing outside.

It's got to be the true fluid from Nissan for that transmission and change it out every 30,000 miles.

So you're safe to say every 50k get that transmission service because they are mucho bucks.

So do that and you're good.

So it has 120k on it, so it should have had by now two and almost on its third service.

So what I will do is I'll do a service now and then in the summer, when the summer gets here,

I'm hoping it's tomorrow, but it probably won't be, but I will do a second service in July, August

to try and just get ahead of it and stop anything from happening.

Do not tow with it.

A CVT transmission, you want to smoke it, tow with it.

What else did I find out?

Some rusty areas, areas where some rust breaks out.

So you know what I did?

After I got my list, I'm going to look and they were spot on right behind the passenger doors

where the door closes up against the wheel arch.

Rust begins because there's a molding there and it's just starting on both sides.

So that means I already sprayed it down with some rust proofing,

but that means we need to get the rockers in the underside of the vehicle sprayed now

and then do a full rust proofing application when we get over 40 degrees Fahrenheit.

So for now, all the work has been done.

Front end is all good.

Alignment's been done.

It's been certified and I didn't want to make it gooey for my friends, Phil and Dennis.

Yeah, a little shout out for CarTech Fort Erie.

I didn't want to spray it and they're working in it underneath and it's going to be messy.

So I didn't do that.

So now the vehicle's certified.

I'll get it sprayed and it has had some kind of application prior to because there's plugs along the rockers.

So we'll get them to blast the rockers on the inside and go up that dog leg at the back on both sides

and soak it down and drench it underneath and then we'll do a full application in the summer months,

early in the summer so it can creep all summer.

So again, if you know what the pattern failures are and you've got them written down on your maintenance schedule,

you can stay ahead of the curve.

What does that mean?

Stay ahead of that pattern failure.

In other words, like a Dennis says, you know that tooth back there, you know what?

I'm not too keen on it, but I'm going to write it down here.

We're going to keep an eye on it, right?

We're going to keep an eye on that.

So next time you're in, we're going to check it and stay ahead of it.

Is it getting worse?

Is it staying the same or it's over?

We got to get in there and rescue that too.

Cars are no different.

What's the pattern failures on the vehicle you're driving?

What are they?

Look them up.

Go into some chat rooms.

Be a filter though because you're going to, you know, some people just, you know, want to get verbal diarrhea.

And I read stuff and I go, that ain't right.

No, you don't need to do that to do that.

No.

So you got to be careful.

There's good stuff on the interwebs and not so good, but at least if you can come away with some solid pattern failures,

then you know what you're dealing with.

That's what's cool.

It's great to know what the winning numbers are before you buy a lotto ticket, right?

The same thing applies to a vehicle that has, you know, from mechanics.

I got to tell you the long and short story of this title today.

What Jeep owners do that mechanics hate?

The list is huge and it's right from their hearts and you can see it in their eyes and you know what they know.

And some Jeep owners, they know because they've had a number of different Jeeps.

They have their issues too.

As do all makes models and manufacturers.

They have vehicles that have pattern failures.

And some companies will get ahead of that curve and make another product from another vendor to the manufacturer specs to get rid of that problem.

It's just a parts supplier creator problem.

And I saw that when I was at a major European car manufacturer is they would stop the line and actually supersede a part from one vendor that's making it form to another one.

And they'd switch them up right on the line before those cars even come off the assembly line.

And I thought that was pretty cool because you still see pattern failures on vehicles today from, I won't say the same manufacturers with the same problems happening decades away from each other.

So two decades go by.

They're still plagued with the same problems.

They don't fix it.

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All right, let's jump in today's topic.

It's an interesting one and I had to do some research because I am not a jeepster

although we have rescued the very first year of the Jeep TJ Wrangler.

I didn't know that at the time.

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It was good to save it from the crusher.

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The biggest thing that happened that put it in the junkyard was they blew the motor up

because they didn't look after the cooling system.

It was a head gas and issue.

They didn't pay attention.

It would have had to have been overheating.

It would have had to have been blowing out any freeze like crazy because it blew the neck right off the radiator

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Years and years of fleet maintenance.

Let me tell you this.

Those companies know how to get their vehicles to make the company profitable.

They don't need vehicles breaking down.

They don't need vehicles losing a load because it breaks down somewhere.

Back when I was working just strictly on trucks,

a day of downtime was like almost a thousand bucks.

So you can probably triple that today very easily.

So you could easily say it's about $3,000 downtime.

They can't afford that.

So fleet maintenance is utmost important.

So let's jump in and have a look at what cheap owners do that mechanics hate.

So I've kind of put my research in order here,

but I will make sure that I cover all of it and then there's some fun stuff as well

that I've also written down.

The biggest thing was overuse of plastic components.

They're scratching their heads going, why would you do that?

Well, it's cost effective, right?

So what Chrysler has done is turned the whole under the hood engine.

Most of it is all plastic.

And the problem there is constant heating and cooling and one of the major components.

And I've seen this and experienced it on a 2018 JK, 3.6 Panda Star.

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So lots of plastic.

One of the a couple of items that come to mind and I've experienced it on a neighbor's 2017 JK.

And on a 2018 JK with the 3.6 Panda Star, the oil cooler is plastic.

Yeah.

And the oil filter housing that goes along with that is plastic.

It sits right down in the middle of the engine underneath the plastic intake manifold.

And it's subject to all the heat generated from the top of the engine and that's where the heat goes.

Heat goes to the top of the engine.

So that plastic constantly heated and cooled, heated and cooled and expanded and contracted with additional heat from the engine itself.

The plastic lets go and there's pressure there about 100 psi.

Yeah.

It usually does one of two things.

It starts peeing out antifreeze all over the top of the motor or the oil lets go.

It's one or the other because it's a filter oil bath and also engine oil cooler all in one.

It's a wonderful treat to get it out to.

It's a really nice treat.

But they do have, I looked it up on the Jungle website, they do have a replacement that's all aluminum.

Now it still doesn't mean it's going to be perfect because you've got O-rings, rubberized O-rings in there.

But it's a far cry from taking a plastic one out that fails.

It's a big, huge paint in the butt pattern failure.

You might as well put an upgrade in there and at the very least maybe an O-ring starts to leak.

But I'm pretty sure you're going to be good for quite some time.

Plastic valve covers.

Which one leaks first?

Well, it's got to be the toughest one to change.

Passenger side.

You got to take half the freaking Jeep apart to get at that valve cover and technicians are going oil leaks, coolant leaks.

Yeah.

They're calling it junk.

So don't be offended, all right?

Junk.

Too much plastic.

All kinds of problems with plastic components on the engine.

Everywhere you look and they're right.

I've seen it myself and dealt with it.

Thermostat.

Thermostat, let's go.

You buy the whole thing.

The thermostat comes in it.

The housing, everything.

Yeah.

And it's plastic.

And getting it off, if it's old and it's down low, the bolts get corrosion on them in their teeny weeny.

They're very, very small and fine thread.

Very easy to snap them off and now you got a mega project.

Okay, so what Jeep owners do that mechanics hate, number one, doing their own repair work.

And it's generally butchered.

All right, that's number one.

So just so you know, I'm not the message, I'm the messenger.

So all you Jeep owners, I'm not picking on you, but I'm just telling you, this is the topic we're covering and having a little bit of fun with it.

But you know what, when you learn the pattern failures, then you can make adjustment, you can fix it.

Number two, modifications, doing your own modifications when you really don't know what you're doing.

So modifications include suspension and steering, body or chassis lifts and electrical.

Yeah, that was the big one.

So I have more to say on that.

Number three, doing your own accessory add ons, whatever that may be, lights, brackets, external coolant filter, or what we call a remote cooling filter for why I don't know why you would do that.

But anyways, doing your own accessory add ons and doing a really bad job of it.

I looked at some really beautiful wiring jobs under the hood, how the Jeeps don't catch fire.

Using speaker wire for electrical connections without any of it being fused, wrong wiring, terrible routing, no fuses installed.

So if a stereo cable gets overheated for what you've wired in, which is an electrical device for the Jeep, not stereo parts, no fuses even.

So it's just going to burn down.

Add ons and add ons and add ons.

So make out the list on that one.

And that's what mechanics hate.

All right, there's more.

Stay with me now.

Stay with me.

Today's title, what Jeep owners do that mechanics hate?

Number four, lots of electrical problems.

And that goes back to the factory, not to the owner, that that's the reason.

Here's the question they were asked.

What vehicle do you think is the worst vehicle on the market and why?

So that's where these answers come from.

Lots of electrical problems.

Number five, steering issues are pattern failures.

Number six, they took their strong manual transmission and changed it to a complicated German transmission that is junk.

So they took a manual transmission that Chrysler was making and it was really, really good and decided to go with a different brand of manual transmission and it's proven itself to be an absolute nightmare.

So why would you take something that was really, really good and put something else in that's super complicated and it has lots of problems?

So that was the other reason that that particular mechanic said, yeah, they took this nice, strong manual transmission, changed it to a complicated German transmission that has nothing but problems.

Number seven, tech said didn't like Jeeps because they break down the most.

Number eight, another tech said the 3.6 liter Panistar oil galley bolts walk out and I've seen that and fixed it.

Yes, they do and that's inside the top of the engine in behind the variable valve timing clutches.

That's where it is on both sides of the on both cams have a VVT variable valve timing device on there to keep it simple and you look down and you see these bolts sticking out.

Yeah, those go right into the oil galley and when those bolts come out actually at that point you're already losing oil pressure and those bolts drop out they go right into the oil pan and it's game over.

Yeah, you lose oil pressure completely and the engine can destroy itself very, very quickly because you have bolts now rolling around in the oil pan.

Beautiful.

So that was one tech saying 3.6 liter Panistar oil galley bolts walk out dropping oil pressure and the bolts fall into the oil pan and it's over.

Manufacturers are quite aware of that being a problem and it comes with a very expensive repair at the dealer level.

And to reiterate number nine, I'm good with this one too as a tech passenger side valve cover gasket leak huge undertaking to get to it.

You got to take battery out the battery tray power steering lines and the list goes on and on and on and the battery tray is like the whole length of the fender on the inside.

So everything attached to that everything attached to valve cover everything attached to the intake manifold.

It's a huge project.

It's huge.

And that is a pattern failure.

So the tech said, this is why I hate jeeps.

All right, number 10.

Yeah, the jeeps duck thing.

Some tech said, what's with the stupid ducks on the dash?

Like they hate that.

They think it looks stupid.

Well, I did a little homework on that because I don't know anything about it.

I gave a couple of ducks to my Jeep neighbor and they were really thrilled about that.

And I really didn't know what I was doing.

I just did it as a gesture.

Well, it turns out that a young lady was in a parking lot and saw a Jeep and she really, really liked it.

And so she went into a store and bought a duck and rode on it.

Nice Jeep.

And as she was placing it on the driver's side door handle, the owner catches her and says, what are you doing?

Oh, I really like your Jeep.

So I'm giving you a duck.

And so he thought she was kind of kooky, but they laughed about it.

And that's how this duck thing started was giving someone that has a Jeep a nice gesture.

And it's probably a good thing because Jeep stands for just empty every pocket.

That's what I've known for decades.

They've always had their problems.

But as I said before, there's all years makes and different models and they all have something that we call patterned failures as a service tech.

So finishing up on the Jeep Jeepers duck things.

They this sparked.

It's like it's a community.

500,000 plus people playing the duck thing in 81 different countries.

And why Jeep's why just Jeep simply put in conclusion.

Here's what I discovered.

It's a culture.

It's the duck thing is a wave and has made its way into 81 different countries and over 500,000 Jeepsters doing this.

It's a communal thing like it or hate it.

It's a Jeep thing.

So give a duck, make a Jeepster smile.

There you go.

And here's some of some more beneficial stuff that you can take in that I I grabbed from.

Again, some service technicians, their opinions on Jeeps and pattern failures, things they're seeing continually on Jeep.

So take it easy.

I'm not.

I'm not slicing the Jeeps apart.

Okay, so don't send me any Jeepster hate mail.

We have rescued a 1997 Jeep TJ Wrangler.

All right, so we're doing our part for the Jeep world because it's the first one ever made the Jeep TJ.

The last model years 2006 and apparently the TJ was one of the best made.

I'm just the messenger.

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All right, some more on this title today.

What Jeep owners do mechanics hate?

We've covered most of that.

So now here's some tidbits for you.

So like I talked about with the 08 Nissan Rogue, looking it up to see are there pattern failures and what do I need to know in order to be able to handle whatever is thrown at me.

Same thing for the Jeeps putting a supercharger on a 3.6 liter Pentastar, not a good idea.

And these suggestions come from a factory trained Jeep guy.

So he's been around them for decades and I thought, wow, what a great way to get some tech tips and some advice from someone who's factory trained and knows these things, these Jeeps inside and out all the way up to present day.

So that's what he's saying.

You're going to gain some horsepower, but it isn't worth it.

It absolutely the gain is not worth it.

The most unreliable 3.6 liter was the first gen of that 3.6 that came out and that engine was from 2011 to 2014 and a half.

So that's the problem.

The big problem engine was first gen.

They're now on third gen of the 3.6 liter, now called Pentastar.

Most reliable Jeep engine he said was the 4.0 or the 3.8 liter.

3.8 liter being a good engine, but lacks power, lack of power.

Four liters, it seems to be the one, the six cylinders in line six.

Oil filter housing.

This is on the JK says mostly on the JK, the Wrangler JK series of Jeep oil filter housing.

We talked about that already.

Oil leak, coolant leaks from the same thing.

It's all made of plastic and I agree, lots too much, way too much cheap under the hood.

Cheap for the Jeep, plastic, plastic and more plastic.

This composite plastic does not like heating and cooling continuously.

It just doesn't work, period.

Ticking noise, rocker issues, the bearings and the rockers and I know an upgrade and I got that from Dave's Automotive out in the Colorado area.

Got a great channel, YouTube channel.

I actually got a chance to see that ticking noise and the fix is when they rebuild the engines because those rockers come apart, the bearings come out of them and it's a huge problem.

The engines kaboom, when they build the engine they do away with that rocker style on the JK.

Other pattern failures on the JK, rear axle seals and the oil cooler.

On the Wrangler JK series, lots of electrical issues.

Right side cylinder head issues have something to do with the quality of the aluminum in the aluminum heads.

That I know.

Differential locker, got to pull the whole differential apart because the electrical sensor inside on the back of the gear, the crown gear goes faulty and shorts out.

So it apparently is a huge pattern failure which means pulling the axles, draining the diff, pulling the cover, pulling the whole pump gun out of there just to change the sensor.

Now that is stupid.

That one, yeah, I would agree with that one 100%.

The sensor itself for locking up the rear diff locker is a pattern failure.

Yeah, not good.

And also, I don't know what that means.

I don't know if that's in English or not, so I won't share that.

Some other things that Tech said, they had deep concerns about with Jeeps, the death wobble.

I experienced that on my FJ and putting on a heavy duty stabilizer, fixed it.

So you want to make sure you do the same thing.

That's pretty much two items that will fix that, which I knew of as well.

And I tell you, I experienced that death wobble on my 07 FJ and I'm thinking, holy smokes, this is horrendous.

The steering wheels knocking back and forth uncontrollably and shaking the whole truck.

It was brutal.

But I got on it.

Heavy duty stabilizer shock on the front and don't put cheap shocks on the front either.

You want heavy duty.

Heavy duty gets rid of the death wobble.

Because if you go to bigger tires, you got a lot more meat, a lot more weight, a lot more stress on the suspension and steering.

You need to take the jumps out of those big wheels.

So that's the only way you're going to be able to do that.

And also, for those who are still under factory warranty, this from a factory trained Jeep tech,

lifting the newer Jeeps voids your warranty.

Unless the lift is done and the parts are provided from Chrysler to do the lift,

you will have a horrible time getting warranty on anything driveline engine period.

Because bigger wheels means the engine's working harder, you've just lost your warranty.

You're overworking the engine.

So lifting the vehicle voids the warranty.

If your vehicle's still under warranty, you need to know that.

JL and JT models, secondary battery.

I haven't heard of this one.

Secondary battery sits under the primary and keeping it charged is a problem.

And the tech says it will fail and there's nothing you can do about it.

If the vehicle sits that little battery underneath the battery, they call that the secondary battery,

put a trickle charger on it was the only thing he said you could do and there's no way to bypass it at this point.

So if the vehicle sits for 30 days, that secondary battery is going to go dead.

Nothing you can do about it.

And I'm thinking, wow, that is not a happy day for somebody.

That would not interest me having a secondary battery under a battery.

Batteries are expensive, period.

So I hope you got something out of this.

We had some fun and now I understand the duck thing.

I think it's kind of cool.

It is a communal thing for the Jeepsters out there.

If you are a Jeep owner, I know that you're very loyal to your brand and your product and your Jeep,

even though they have their problems.

Everything else out there has its problems as well.

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