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About this episode
Rockingham and Easter weekend take center stage as Corey LaJoie and Ryan Flores talk short-track history, the difficulty of places like Rockingham, and how racing focus can crowd out life off-track. They break down Raja’s 88 run (fourth) and Corey’s truck result (eighth), then shift into “stacking vs slacking” with pit-crew rankings—calling JGR’s 20 team the stop-speed benchmark and praising the 9 for consistency. The conversation also defends Cletus McFarland’s versatility, then ends with Bristol expectations, tire/track temp talk, and Corey’s carbon-fiber seat business update.
Topics:
rockingham weekend recap
stacking vs slacking in cup points
pit crew rankings and pit boss of the week
cletus mcfarland versatility and social media backlash
focus vs life outside sunday racing
88 and truck race performance breakdown
risk vs reward pit strategy
bristol race preview and tire/track temperature
short track seat design and carbon fiber development
Corey and Skip break down Easter weekend at Rockingham, why the place still matters, and why so many people still underestimate how hard every level of racing really is. They get into Corey’s top-10 truck run, Roger’s strong day in the 88, Cleetus getting a real lesson at the Rock, pit-crew rankings, who’s stacking and who’s slacking, Bristol stories and picks, and the NASCAR moments they think belong among the greatest in American sports.
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Hey friends, welcome to Stackin' Pennies.
Corey the Joy here alongside Ryan Flores breaking down
Easter weekend from the Rock.
We had a top 10 day in our first ram.
Well, I guess it's my second one.
First one in the 10, big week there we break that down,
how that all came to fruition as well.
Ryan's top five day with Rajah in the 88.
All that and more right here on Stackin' Pennies.
Thanks for tuning in.
Let's go.
Stackin' them deep, sellin' them cheap.
I'd say it's like gasoline, grubber and victory.
Where's that here, Stackin' Pennies?
All right, friends, welcome to Stackin' Pennies.
Corey the Joy here.
Raymond, truck driver alongside a good buddy, Ryan Flores.
Hope your Easter weekend was fantastic.
Had a lot of fun with the family, celebrating.
Good Lord Rize from the Great, buddy.
But you, what'd you do this weekend?
Went down to Wrightsville for a couple days.
On the way back, man, Rockingham's on the way.
Wife and kids literally kicked me out of the car
right in front of Rockingham and I walked through the fan zone
and just wandered on in.
A lot of people.
There's a lot of people.
A lot of people are supporting her up.
Rockingham and it's cool to see the train get, drop people off.
Oh yeah.
But that's like a racetrack revival, man.
Like we talked about Wilkesboro, but it's just cool to kind of
go back in time and think about the history there.
Pit road, super narrow, racetrack, super narrow, super fast.
It is narrow.
I, I almost think that, because they still have the back stretch
pit road that it wasn't utilized.
I almost think they could start utilizing that as well.
If we go cup racing, there's some, there's some things they can tweak on.
Yeah.
But I hope it, I hope we go cup racing.
Yeah. I hope it gets cup race eventually.
Like I said, I'd like to see every place just have one,
except for Daytona and Talladega and Martinsville.
Give me Rockingham.
Give me, give me the Bristol Spring Race at Rockingham, bro.
Yeah.
Like that makes, I mean, I don't hate to crap on Bristol,
but put dirt on it once.
Yeah, I'm down with that.
How was trucking, man?
Yeah, what's the new?
Do you want to take this moment to apologize to the truck race community and their 12 fans?
I'm not going to apologize, but I will say.
Everybody that forces a heart and soul in the truck racing.
I will say, I'm not going to apologize, because I meant what I said.
I didn't say it the correct way to not ruffle feathers, but.
There's more than 12 fans.
Appreciate all those 12 fans showing up though.
I wish they'd put you in the 12th truck.
Switch with Brother Bean.
That would be pretty funny.
Chris Rice.
I'll have your boy.
I mean, it's just another thing too.
My race and reference resume isn't sexy because I have committed to driving for
upstart teams with limited tools, but looking at this opportunity,
they have the tools, they have the budget and the people to ultimately grow this thing to where
it can contend for race wins.
I don't know if that's in the next three months.
I think it's in the next 12 or 18.
I think it's going to get there.
But that's what really sold me is like, they got a group of racers in there.
And being able to race on Fridays and be home for Coach Pitch Baseball on Saturdays.
Down for that.
And to drive the Mo Park truck and be like Ted Musgrave Jr.
Yup.
Well, I think we're both guilty of it.
Look, I haven't missed, but four cup races in the last 20 years.
And, you know, you're guilty of just chasing, trying to be a cup driver.
The only thing that matters to you when you're doing it.
And you said this, you're like, it's all about Sunday.
And I'm like, yeah, there's a little bit of arrogance that goes of working in the cups here,
especially being a cup driver that you kind of have to have to succeed.
But when you take the blinders off and you go, hey, hold on,
there's a lot of racing.
There's a lot of stuff to life outside of this.
When you are cup racing every week, you live from Sunday to Sunday.
And everything in between is getting better for the next Sunday.
So it's hard to be present at home.
It's hard to just do anything else other than just be ready for the next Sunday.
So when you take those blinders off and you go, hey, I could still be really good at
truck racing or O'Reilly racing and then give more to other facets of my life.
Whether it be your family or your business or something else.
Yeah, you go, okay, yeah, this makes sense.
And hey, this is still really hard.
There's still really good guys here.
And it's a really good life.
So I think everybody's guilty of that, you especially.
Yeah, I've stuck my finger in my mouth on multiple occasions.
Like, look, the cup series is elite.
And there was like all these conversations with the kid on the Dale's Jr.
download that said like people don't need to be in the hall of fame.
But cup racing is elite.
It's the highest form of American motorsports.
O'Reilly racing is really hard.
We saw the Cletus this weekend and just guys that try to jump in there.
Truck racing is its own thing.
I mean, look at how good Corey Hyman is and how hard it is to win there.
Yeah.
And then like you even look at like Modified's, Car Store, stuff like that.
It's really hard to just show up and run well.
So, and it's broader, right?
Lucas Oil, Late Models, World Outlaw, Spring Cars.
Like there is so much good racing going on in the country
that when you are hyper focused on Sunday, you miss it.
And you don't appreciate how people are incredibly good in so many different
fashions, whether it's driving, just working on them, it's engineering.
Like I've grown to appreciate like so many more things than when you take the blinders off
and you're not in the trenches because you look at everybody or everything is like,
how can this serve me to be closer to the front on Sundays?
That's it.
Once you take that away, it's like, oh man, that's like you can just have a normal
relationship with people.
Yeah.
It's quite nice.
Yeah, it's different.
You're more, I didn't realize that as long as I was at Penske that until I left there,
how uncomfortable my own skin I was just because I was trying to just keep up and do the right
thing for the company and for the team.
And I'm like, whoa, I haven't been myself.
Like I'm just, like I would feel uncomfortable in situations because like how would I do it here?
And I'm like, man, I don't, I'm happy for the time there.
I really loved it.
I like being my own person too.
And I'm excited for that next step of life.
And that's the same for you, right?
Yeah.
Then you can help, you can take the lessons you learned at Spire and build that team and
all these other teams that are punching above your weight class and apply them to a team that
has real funding and real OEM support and you can fast track that.
That's right.
But doing it the right way, right?
We asked a question to a lot of our guests, what's your definition of success?
The person that you are trying to get it as close to the person that you want to be,
that's success.
Okay.
Right.
So you know who you want to be in terms of prioritizing your marriage and your family
and your relationships and your job, right?
But you really know where you stand in relation to all those things.
So the closer you can make that, that's success.
Yeah.
That's what I heard.
So I like that.
I like that.
So our weekend with 88 was good.
We had Raja in the car.
We qualified 13th, got to the top 10, gained some on a pit stop.
Run fourth.
Raja, he ended up finishing fourth.
I think he had one tough restart where he lost a couple.
Like it was tough.
It was line sensitive.
You got above the grade, you'd get flushed out pretty quick.
But he did a great job driving back through and Raja's potential is high.
Well, you can start to see guys potential when they get in good cars, right?
Because it's just, oh man, you're hitting with the proper club, right?
You're not using a pitch and wedge on a par five, like a lot of these guys are.
Corey Day, same thing.
He's driving this car with a ton of potential.
He's learning.
He's leading laps.
Like he's going to win because of potential of his car, just like Raja.
He's there.
Super fast too.
Like Corey Day does a good job.
And he's learning from the best.
How was the truck race for you?
Finished eighth?
Finished eighth.
Probably run, we had the 12th fastest laps.
We were been 12th to 14th, caught the right side of a green flag caution,
which was like the first time ever in my career.
Running eighth.
Chandler Smith got tossed, finished seventh, which is a win right now for those guys.
You know, for what they have, what they're working with, what they're trying to build,
I think seven to 10th is like, you should ring a bell on Tuesdays and give everybody lunch
for what they're trying to do.
Well, I mean, listen, that's not the goal, but it's, it's a good result right now.
Stag and pennies.
That's it.
That's what you're doing.
That's the perfect analogy for what you're doing.
They got dodged other than maybe staggin' dollars over there.
So, Cletus is a exceptional driver of any car, right?
We talked about where, you know, people like to just sub-comment on X or on social media in the
Instagram in the comments.
Anybody that says anything derogatory towards anybody
isn't half the driver that Cletus McFarland is, okay?
Not race, not oval track driver, just in all...
I'm just saying, generally speaking...
He's running like, Cletus...
Racing boats and mud swamps and drag racing and...
Cletus is an exceptional driver because he can jump in all these things and be fast and get up to speed.
Anybody that thinks it's easy are the ones that are commenting certain things on certain people's
accounts, might include it.
You go see how Cletus in a good car with a decent amount of experience, not very much,
runs at Rockingham, runs fourth in the Arca race, then turns around and runs 34th, four laps down.
That's the jump of how good guys are.
So, when you guys get your thumbs fired up and get little antsy, you want to fire, you know,
some mean comment in somebody's profile, it is way harder than what you think.
Because Cletus is a very good race car driver in a very good car and he got kicked in the nuts.
Well, I think the short track community eats their own a little bit.
And obviously, you want to see the lead poem stories, right?
You want to see Lee and Justin Bonson, your Ryan Priest, right?
Great story.
You want to see these guys get more opportunities.
But also, Cletus is really good at doing what he does, like the burnout stuff.
He brings a lot of value.
It'd be like, if you took John Force and put him in an Ascar, he wouldn't do any good.
Right.
But he's exceptional at what he does.
So, we talked about Steve Kinzer at Jeff Gordon a couple weeks ago.
But Cletus seems to be, he has respect for the sport.
Obviously, he's honoring Greg Biffle, which that had to be super hard.
The guy that was kind of giving him the path to get to the Daytona 500, passed away tragically.
But he ran really well in the Arca race.
I was nervous that he was going to get too confident from the Arca race and then overstep
in the Xfinity race or Raleigh race, but he didn't.
And he had some tough moments in the Raleigh race, but it's really hard.
It's really hard.
And he appreciates how hard it is.
I got a little bit of beef with his buddy, Squirrel McNutt's name.
Ellis, I like Ellis George better.
Yeah, Ellis George.
Squirrel McNutt is like a little bit too Ricky Bobby-ish for me.
Yeah.
But hey, man, whatever it takes, like, look, marketing and finding money for your race cars
is hard.
Influencers and kids with money have skipped steps forever to get to higher levels faster
than they should have or faster than what they have earned.
Yeah.
It's not new.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
If you're jealous of Cletus, don't be.
Don't be, just get over it.
And also his goal isn't to develop his skills to be a cup series driver for 36 weeks,
like to be a well-rounded driver.
He cares about learning how to race a super speedway in fast cars because his goal a couple
years ago when he got in this thing is to race a different 500.
And he's on the right track with RCR, super fast Raleigh cars, and they're going to build
him a fast car in a couple of years when he's ready to go to 500.
And it's going to be a massive story.
Dude, that place has to be, you describe Rockingham as Darlington with a dog leg,
and that has to be such a dover with a dog leg, and it has to be such a hard place to go to.
Dude, somebody that just shows up and goes to Rockingham, like,
you're telling me I have to hold the gas down how much and run how hard.
Now, there's guys flopped out after the truck race, right?
Before the race, you know, there's some Dodge people around and Chris Rice has introduced
me to some guys and, you know, everybody else has got walking around their cool shirt,
you know, and Bill Cacord thing sticking out.
And they're like, Chris, you ain't wearing no cool shirt?
I said, Kale, you're on road and wearing no cool shirt around Rockingham.
I'll be all right.
Yeah.
About halfway through, I'm like, damn, I wish I had that cool shirt on.
Somebody give me a bag of ice.
Yeah, you can't ask for bag of ice if you try to be a tough guy and not wear a cool shirt.
But yeah, man, Rockingham is the coolest.
Well, that was a great weekend at Rockingham.
It's cool to see all the fans show up.
But cup hat off.
But up next, man, we need to do some ranking, some pit crew rankings and stacking and slacking
and coming right up after this.
All right, friends, before we shift gears on from Rockingham, this is a
off weekend for the cup guys.
And those guys are on the couch and joined some time with their families past weekend.
But let's go ahead and peel the layer back on some pit crew statistics with some pit bosses of the week.
Yeah.
So, man, we've been slacking on pit boss of the week, but it's because there's been one team
just dominating everything.
And that's the 20 out of JGR.
They have essentially had the fastest stops where the best average is almost every week
of the season where we have had competitive pit stops.
What is a fast average these days?
A fast average is anything.
I mean, you look at a lot of different numbers.
Yeah, if you're averaging in eight seconds, you're in the top five.
We still don't have a standardized timing system, which I hope we get eventually.
But depending on kind of what all the data looks like, you can make a kind of an assumption
or estimate.
There's every team uses something different and then data is different.
Sometimes the data is wrong.
But the 20 is hands down the best team and roster.
Who are those guys?
Darrell, Michael Hicks, who's been in the sport forever.
Blake Houston, front tire changer.
And then they have a new Will Cooper is their new carrier.
He's he's new this year.
Jacks, I think the 18, O'Reilly's Cartu, he's really, really special.
A versatile fellow.
Yeah, a really special athlete.
And he's brought a big spark to that team.
And they just are running so fast all their their ceiling is just higher than everybody else's.
Now play devil's advocate here.
The 11 team has done this same thing in years past.
Hot in the regular season.
And you get like a speed hangover.
It's a weird thing.
Because everybody wants to go 10, 10s all the time, but it just doesn't work out.
So my hope for the 20.
Now they've been a great pick crew.
My hope for the 20 is that they keep it up all year, man.
They're crushing it.
And you want to see people do good.
But how is that coach?
How is that coaching staff and that company learn from what the 11 cars done in the regular
season and early to keep this momentum rolling all season and not let it fade out when we look
at just pickers alone.
A team that's sneaky close to them but doesn't throw up like the hot numbers all the time is the 19.
They got to win last week.
Great day.
Great call by on Guffson.
Good pit stops all day at Martinsville.
A lot of veterans on that car.
So so they're right there.
They're kind of they're just behind the 20.
They don't quite have the pace.
The 20 has every stop.
But the nine car is crushing it as well.
That seems to be just the general theme of the nine team.
Just like smooth and steady to do.
Yes.
That's like they're always going to be there.
It's not going to be sexy.
It's not going to be ripping the top driving by guys.
It's just going to be like always there.
You're all veteran guys there.
All veteran guys that have won races and championships.
Dude, I'm telling you Alan's playing chess and other people are playing checkers a lot of times.
And this is going to fall right in.
I saw stat the other day where the nine team like over like 53 percent of the races he's
running the cup series.
They finished in the top 10 by bar none the highest.
Like that's crazy.
That is crazy talk.
Yeah, that's great.
So hard to run in top 10 53 percent of the time more than half of your race.
But because nobody's going to pop champagne bottles to run eighth.
Right.
But now the sports swung kind of back to that type of consistency.
That's where people want to see when you run eighth or seventh
and Kyle arson's up there winning the race.
You're not going to get you only care about the winners.
That's right.
And look Tyler Redick's done a great job.
His pit crew has been OK.
Like looking at there about 20th on the season.
But they've also had to just pitch like they've had some hiccups here and there.
But they're a great team and they've done what they had to do to win a race.
So like we can look at these rankings all day long.
But they don't tell you everything you need to know because it's about a lot of it's about
down in distance keeping your guy in the race.
If you're leading the race and you have a gap of 10 cars when you come to pit road.
You don't have to do an eight five.
You know the risk and the reward don't outweigh themselves.
Now does that will that come back and bite them though.
If those guys are their cadence is a eight ninety.
They can run a conservative level pit stop because they're so fast on a racetrack.
When it gets down to it four or five races in the chase.
Do they need to be doesn't need to be different than it is now.
No I don't think you need to.
I mean it depends on the situation and the down in distance.
But you don't have to be as fast as you need to be in the chase because you don't have to win
as bad.
You need to keep your guy in it all day long.
So risk and reward.
Right.
We talk about risk and reward quite a bit.
A couple honorable mentions the 60 and the 17 both in the top 10 RFK is bringing some speed.
Man the other day Jamie Little at Martinsville was like she did a highlight on 17 cars.
She's like no no mistakes on the 17 all year long.
No but they're loose wheel.
I think they had a bolt like a bolt from an extended car get up on the road like on the
caliper and wedge in between the wheel.
Just a crazy thing that you never see happen.
You don't see it happen very often.
And that's what caused the wheel.
It wasn't loose.
It was kind of like it like cut the wheel.
But I was like damn she said that then something happened and then the announcer curse.
And then another team that has gotten the top 10 this year is the 16 colleague.
So Jordan Page who was on the 45 and at 2311 kind of got moved out there
and went over to colleague and then all of the guys off of SVG's car got taken off
and got put on the 16.
So it's kind of a mixed bag.
Oh this is their track house.
Track house team but they have been crushing it.
Obviously there's been a lot of talk I get a lot of tweets about Blaney's crew
and about Penske in general.
What I'll say about that is that there's it sounds like they're dealing with some
just internal stuff on whether it be wheel prep or gun you know different things that
they need to figure out to give those guys the best opportunities.
And they have a they have a really really young Jack man.
He hasn't even been in the sport for a full year in land and honey cut.
But they will turn it around.
The problem is being on that car man you have to you're pitting in the top five every time.
So it's a tough car to grow and learn on because everything every mistake you make
is in the eye of everybody on the sport.
Well you've you said time and time again going from if you're running 12th and you lose five
spots and come out 17th nobody notices you come in second and leave seventh your chance
of winning the race is over.
Yeah and they've had to tighten three wheels this year which is really tough.
But I hope listen that people tweet at me and want to talk to me like oh I shouldn't
get rid of this and like hey man I still cheer for them boys they're still my buddies like
a lot of those guys are like family to me.
So I don't want to see them ever do bad and you don't want to see anybody on pit road do
bad man like everybody's in that together and I hope they get it turned around and and do a
good job for them.
So yes but definitely some growing pains at the at the Penske camp.
Let's drive off a pit road onto the racetrack with who's stacking right now and who's
lacking right now.
That's I mean clearly the 45 and Tyler Reddick are locked in.
They are stacking.
They are stacking Benjamins.
They're stacking way more than pennies right now.
And listen Tyler Reddick everybody wants to be surprised Tyler Reddick's always been
capable of this.
Toyotas are super fast.
What's his point I'm trying to look up the points here because I want to see what his
points lead is.
But he was like a hundred ahead everybody there for a little bit.
While you're doing that Denny Hamlin old head cook unked if you will.
I can tell you Denny's an unk but he ain't cooked.
No so he is stacking.
Tyler Reddick plus 82 on the field Blaney's second and then Denny Hamlin is 12 back from
him.
So those are your top three Chase Elliott fourth William Byer and fifth.
All these guys are stacking.
One guy that is definitely in the news this year and is stacking is Ty Gibbs.
He has he's relatively done a really good job.
Obviously there's all that stuff going on with Gabe Hart another guy who has rebounded
very well Brad Kizlowski.
Brad Kizlowski where's he at in points.
He's eighth in points.
Hey Bradley he's stacking.
One guy that has been stacking all year but he was slacking in Martinsville and he paid
the price was Bubba Wallace.
Oh tough.
Tough.
He went from second to 11th in points.
Yeah he was stacking and then one week man Cup Series do that to you.
Now he's slacking the worst too having a bad week before the off week.
Then you have two weeks to just just grovel in your sorrows.
So stacking or slacking spire motorsports.
I'd say they're stacking.
I mean how many more people can you go buy for some setups to help you run any better.
So there's not anybody left looking.
They bought they bought Matt McCall and Chris Gabe Hart.
I'd hope you'd be stacking.
They bought Rodney but they sold him pretty quick.
They bought Rodney sold him pretty quick too.
Rodney's Rodney's stacking.
He's their J.R.M. stacking.
You could any time you look at the rundown it's like for the top seven for the top eight
our junior motorsports cars.
Yeah those guys are on one right now.
Let me tell you about spy real quick.
When I'm looking at the points here everybody's kind of scattered around.
It's like 16 17 15 16 17.
All right there.
Carson Hosevar, Daniel Suarez, Mike McDowell 15 16 17.
Slacking.
Man I'm the biggest Conor Zilich fan there is but man he's slacking.
I'm also the biggest Randall Burnett fan.
They're not doing great.
They are not doing great.
Man and I would also say I'm Rick Tenhus fan.
He's a friend of the show.
Single car team no OEM support.
This time last year they were in the 13th 14 15th point range.
So fortunately they have been buried now by the metric.
Right you just start getting behind and all this get low in points.
You got earlier to qualify.
You qualify worse.
You get a worse pit selection.
It just creates a snowball downhill.
I would say the 47.
They have low expectations because they don't have a lot of help.
I would say though I would expect them to be a little bit better.
21 team.
Cobbush.
RCR as a whole.
Slacking.
RCR as a whole like slacking 24th and 27th in points.
Chase Briscoe.
They've just had a tough year.
I mean if you look at it as a whole they're slacking.
They've had some speed but like you look at Martinsville.
His teammates are dominating the race and he's getting lapped.
Yeah.
Come on Chase.
We know you're better than this.
One more of the 21 team.
They've had just a tough go and they just haven't had the speed to kind of bail themselves out of it.
We saw the two kind of bail themselves out of Martinsville.
Have a couple good runs at 21 team 25th in points.
I'm going to do a little curveball.
Easter candy.
Peeps.
Slacking bro.
Dude you're a peep hater.
I like.
There is nothing more in the world I hate than peeps bro.
Well you should have got some yesterday.
No I did not.
Gross.
Gross.
Well it was a good off week for the cup guys.
It was a good week at Rockingham for us.
My fry is going to be busy and I'm excited about it.
Back in the trenches trying to make this 10 ramp run better.
I think we got potential.
I think we can go win a race this year.
Let's go talk about the greatest moments in motor sports history.
I don't even know what he got on tap here Kyron.
What do you got?
So let's just go ahead and put a couple things on the board.
The top.
Mirror calling ice.
1980 Winter Olympics US beating Russia.
And then this year it was pretty good.
I would say that that's probably in the top five.
But nothing was like more on the heels.
The Cold War.
Mother Russia.
We took it to them at their own game.
Tiger Woods 2019 Masters comeback.
Oh tough week to be a Tiger fan.
Tiger Woods is the best golfer of all time.
Worst driver.
Just pay somebody to sit in the car.
And it's like after you have a couple infusions at the clubhouse.
Get in the back seat.
Taking me back.
Like sure.
I get your backs broke.
Legs broke.
Eyes popping out of your head like you're on springs.
Hey it just goes to show.
Everybody thinks that all the money in the world will solve your problems.
They got problems too.
They're just people fighting battles.
But I would put Dale Earnhardt just because of the
culmination of how many times he had lost it.
How hard it was to win and then finally winning it.
Obviously you have to fast forward a couple years
to him tragically dying in that race to put a bow on all of that.
To understand it.
I think some of this stuff we're still a little too close to the fire on right.
I agree.
I think the question really is does
NASCAR's best moments rank in the top five to ten of all time American sports moments.
I mean this is a I would say yes.
I'd say hell yes.
I'm going to say Coltrickl's Daytona 500 win ranks in the top 10.
That's a fictional event.
What's your favorite Indy 500 finish.
Man it's both heartbreaking.
One where JR Hildebrand drives in the fence off a four bro.
Well the thing I was heartbreaking about that is that Hildebrand in the National Guard Car
wrecked coming to the line and he runs out of gas on the last lap in the Coke 600.
I remember coming home that night and George Midecki, shout out Australia and George had
jumped up because he thought junior is going to win the race and punched the ceiling light
and blew it out of our house.
It's like what happened there?
Like George thought junior is going to win.
Harvick won that race.
And the black Budweiser closer.
Yeah that's where he started to get it from.
I mean what box is just to have to check.
I think it has to just bring goosebumps and fill you with just American pride.
I think one of the greatest moments when you look at it would be junior going back
to Daytona and winning after his dad passed away.
For sure.
I think I put that above 1998.
And selfishly because 2011 Tony Stortz drived.
No offense to beat Carl Edwards.
I know it's sensitive.
Yeah don't tell him about that.
But zooming out.
It was an elbow drive.
That's how the that's where the playoffs came from.
When you just look at motorsports the whole that day what Tony Stort did the adversity
and everything like that was.
Well his playoff run from start to finish there was an increase.
It wasn't great in the middle.
Sure started off good.
Started off good.
Sucked them in the middle.
Ended up pretty good.
Oh I mean the Ricky Craven Kurt Busch.
Bouncing off each other.
We can stack all these up whether it be Kevin Harvick coming three races after
Earnhardt passes away.
Was it Jeff Gordon.
Yeah Jeff Gordon.
And then when Carl won his first race beating Harvick or beating Jimmy Johnson at Atlanta.
But like I don't know there needs to be more storylines involved.
Then that's what builds it right.
Like the reason that the miracle on ice was so important was because Russia was so great.
Right.
Anyway like America didn't have a chance right.
Everybody loved an underdog story.
The reason that Dale Earnhardt winning Daytona was so great was because he had lost it so many
times in so many different ways and he was the the intimidating the guy that dominated the sport.
Dale Jr. coming back five months later.
Same spot where it's all man passed away.
Winning the race.
Yeah.
Yeah that's.
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I would say that two NASCAR moments should rank.
There should be nothing that ranks from an F1 race in.
Well since the Senate era like this like when you watch the Senate documentary
what he did at Brazil with no powers like no third gear or something.
Yeah I think I gravitate naturally to American sports moments than global sports moments.
Right you can go appreciate Aaron Senna's drive with no power steering bloody hand
from the shifter when the shifter not falls off.
But if you go who's building that thing.
Not a very good welder to the steering column either but you need to figure that out.
Oh geez you went there.
You watch in America you watch an F1 race from like the 70s or 80s and they're
racing the parking lot of the Caesars Palace like there's not like in the meadowlands in the
parking lot. That's an Indy car. That was an Indy car F1 race there too.
Indy car has bad ass racetracks back in the day.
Like hey we're just going to make a racetrack on this airport shut it down for a day or two.
Yeah bring it back bring it back.
Now they're going to do one at the White House.
Front house lawn we're going to have an MMA fight going on in the background.
Race going on around the White House.
Trump might get the beast out and be the pace car.
A lot of stuff going on.
But yeah what is what what is great with defined greatness.
Obviously the stakes the emotion but the back story is yeah is what builds.
Does it galvanize the community.
Did you watch practicing qualifying on an FS1 or the trucks the other day.
I watched your qualifying lap and then I shut it back off because I was hanging out my favorite spot
at Wrightsville. I was like oh we about busted ass alright I'm out of here.
Yeah cool glad he's okay.
So the interview before qualifying has ran a little bit.
I was thinking about this on the way down to Rockingham because people have been like oh man
I love the mustache and it's just mustaches are back on live television.
I said Josh a man doesn't grow a mustache.
A man grows into a mustache and if you don't have a mustache you won't understand that.
But I am growing into this mustache more than this mustache is growing on me.
Well that could be a great American.
That's an American that's an American comeback story.
That is a great American moment.
Kyron has a bushy mustache for those that have not seen him.
As long as you're actually blue collar.
Oh so you like finance bro can't have a mustache.
Is there a coffee order to where if you order a certain coffee you have to shave your mustache.
Flat white.
A flat white.
Anything with not dairy milk.
You get an almond milk latte you're out.
I showed up at Penske probably 2015 and our pit coach Brian Holland hockey guy.
I show up with a mustache and he's like he's the typical hockey guy.
He's like oh a lot of responsibility that goes into wearing that mustache.
Ryan I'm like it better be great today.
So I did like two stops.
We usually like six or seven stops in practice so like my second stop was not good.
Brian was like everybody hold on.
Ryan come with me walks me to his office.
He says there's a certain responsibility that goes to wearing that mustache.
You're not upholding it.
Opens his desk drawer pulls out a razor.
Hands to me goes go to the bathroom and shave it then come back to practice.
Made me shave my mustache in the middle of practice because I was I sucked on a pit stop.
So if you're going to wear that you better be great.
You're not being great shave it off right now.
With with great upper lip hair comes great responsibility.
That's it.
Talking about being a man let's go to Bristol.
Last great coliseum.
Speaking of one of those O'Reilly races that was my first Xfinity race win was Bristol with
that 22 car and Ryan Blaney.
Blaney beat Kyle Busch on a late race restart.
And this one I knew Blaney was a dog dude.
He was still young for even cup race or anything.
He was driving the the 21 I think the next day.
Like it was one in part time cup schedule.
And Kyle Busch made some smart ash remark to him in the driver's meeting.
He was like really like you might want to go read the restart rules saying that he jumped the start.
And Ryan goes looks like you might want to go read him.
I was like he's a dog.
Let's go.
That's taking a little while to get there.
But I mean that's it's always been in there buddy.
Yeah.
Yeah he's a he's a dog.
I don't know how other way you put it.
Kind of like a prick in a good way.
You know he can turn it on and off.
Yeah he got to as a race car driver.
You got to be able to turn it on and off and stick up for yourself.
That's right.
Man Bristol we go from my favorite track on the on the face of the planet in Rockingham
to my second favorite place on the face of the planet in Bristol Motor Speedway.
There's no comparison to it.
Bristol's just Bristol man.
It's just Bristol baby.
It's Bristol.
You've had some success here.
You wrecked and modified about killed yourself here one time.
But yeah.
Truck race your first truck race you traction classic rain of the joy quote.
Yeah.
I'll tell the story.
I drove my first time in a truck.
I was driving for Ricky Benton Blacks Tiger.
Blacks Tiger on top 92 car 92 truck.
They were down at the beach bent in North Carolina.
They didn't have very much.
They had some old motors and we scrapped and clawed.
I think we were on my eighth.
Yeah you're on top 10.
So I have carried some donkeys to some good days.
Is it now he's sponsored now Blacks Tigers everywhere.
Right now I know.
I know.
Shout out Ricky Benton in that whole Blacks Tiger community.
Support in the sport.
Appreciate you.
So Corey goes to build a modified go there.
Corey followed Casey Kane down in the corner.
I believe.
No it was Mike Stefanik.
Mike Stefanik.
So this car was sweet by the way.
I had been there in late models and things like that.
And everything I had driven there up to that point was a fendered car.
So everything else prior to that you get behind somebody you get tight
because you don't have the down force.
So you get in the bank and think the struggle to turn
and you can't get to the gas.
Modified on the other hand come to find out
since they are about 90 percent rear down force.
They when they get behind somebody you lose all of the air in the blade.
So it goes from 90 percent to 0 percent.
So those things get stupid loose.
I learned this the hard way.
So I go into one following Mike Stefanik.
We're going to like 73 going to one and she starts getting a little sideways
before the banking.
So I enter the banking with some countersteer in it.
And soon as you load up it just goes the direction where the front tires are going.
I look like an eye racing glitch center center punched it.
The the crankshaft bolt embedded into the safer barrier head bounce off the steering wheel.
Right. The whole thing we this thing's on casters trying to get into the truck.
It's just murdered.
And you know you come walking back from the care center
and there's Tweety birds around your head.
Yeah.
And I'm in the trailer and the race is still going on.
And you come back and you're clearly concussed and your dad is furious.
And you go the first thing you said when you walked in there you go something broke.
And your dad said yeah.
F in traction.
Traction broke.
And I grabbed my backpack and walked out the tunnel.
They're like I'm not going to be here for this ass chewing.
I'm out.
Bristol is one of those places that's it's just one of the best places to race to compete.
Probably even driving.
But on Pit Road you just it's a scrappy blue collar day.
You're keeping your guy in it.
Depending on what you're in.
There's no break.
There's no break.
If you get a bad pit stop selection you're coming around cars.
It's just really challenging.
Finish third here with Zane Smith last year.
One three or four cup race here and a couple.
I got a couple of swords at the house.
But happy that it's back to asphalt or concrete.
You know not dirt.
Dirt was fun for a couple of years.
Yeah.
Let's get that.
I'm happy to have this race back.
And I think the guys that are going to be successful is Corey Hyman in the truck race.
I don't know.
I haven't seen the entry list.
Corey Hyman's in the truck race.
If not Corey Hyman going with Kate and Honeycutt.
Yeah.
This past week.
Those trucks are I'll say it.
Those tri-con trucks look like super late models and every bail looks like street stocks.
Yeah.
You can tell by TV the front road trucks aren't far behind.
But they're but they're behind.
But they're behind.
Those guys got their stuff figured out.
I think it turns out he had a suspension failure with like five they go on Corey Hyman's truck
and he was still able.
Kate.
She had a journey down the crew chief on the one.
Kate and Honeycutt got bullied a little bit there.
Just run him up behind his teammate.
Yeah.
Well even before then he kind of Corey did everything he needed to do.
But Kate and was smart.
Like I'm not going to wreck my teammate here.
But if Corey Hyman's on the field I'm going with Kate and Honeycutt O'Reilly's.
It's hard to bet against Justin Allgaier.
Who's an 88 this week?
William.
Kyle Larson.
Yeah.
We got Kyle.
We should win that race.
You forgot about that.
Yeah.
Don't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then Cup Man.
Don't mess that up.
Cups at Crap Shoot.
This is I think where Chris Bell gets it done.
First one of the year.
Chris Bell is a good pick.
Especially with with how fast Picker is here.
If you gain spots on Pirroden you get another row on restart.
Are they spraying?
Do you know if they're spraying?
Probably so.
So it and if it's cold if it's going to be chilly got to look at the weather.
Good chance that tires.
We have a tired waffle.
Who knows.
It's a little brisk here in Concord, North Carolina today.
I was like 48 this morning.
Yeah.
And well it just depends on when the race starts to and track temperature.
So if it's sunny and 74 you shouldn't have an issue with tires.
But who knows.
You never know until I learned this too.
Because everybody was trying to figure out and pinpoint.
Okay.
Why is why are the tires same tire in the fall not do this in the same tire in the spring.
Just cheese grades.
It's not even so much shirts the ambient air temperature.
But the ground right has been cold all winter long the ground temperature track
temperature is 15 degrees lower.
That's a big difference.
That is.
So interested to see what happens.
But we'll be there on Friday night with a truck.
Raymond.
I'll be there Saturday.
Deal with ADA.
I think that's our I think that's uh we ought to have a decent shot.
The same truck I'm driving is the truck that I raced at Bristol last year for Spire.
I think we're finished.
That's good.
Yeah we were 13th ish.
Okay.
We need to make it a little better.
Spire was a year behind TriCon last year with their whole body build philosophy.
And they took Cobb Bush who should win a truck race with his eyes closed and let him run 18th.
So TriCon is now a year ahead of Spire.
And we got all of those Spire trucks because Spire went to work and built new trucks.
So I believe we are two years behind TriCon in terms of under body and over body.
But for us right now it's what are the easy things that we can do.
What are our qualifying deltas.
Let's hit our splitter heights when we unload.
Let's hit our balance and let's just have good pit stops.
And if we do that we could run 7th or 8th every week.
I feel like we should be able to do that no matter if we are a 15th place truck on speed.
But if we can go qualify in the top 10.
If we can go race in the top 10 and have a couple good restarts like you said.
Move up a row.
You put yourself in the top three to five or track positions important and get a little
sniff of clean air.
Who knows.
Yeah it'd be hard to win it on raw speed but.
Yeah.
But anything can happen at Bristol.
Anything happens.
It's a Bristol bike.
All right buddy that's all we got on the race inside.
What about real world stuff.
I know you have the powder coat shop.
You're looking at building.
Oh building getting ready to rock and roll with that.
So that's been good.
And yes gain some more legs.
Be on a lookout on at flow coding on Instagram.
How about carbon fiber.
How's carbon fiber doing.
We've been working on the CAD for our seat.
We have been 3D printing it at NASCAR.
We have some complications with it.
So they are taking it.
And I don't know what they're quite doing.
But once we get this 3D seat.
We this will be our version three.
All the teaser cross all the eyes are dotted.
Every sort of detail when it comes to mounting a seat in a short track car.
Late mile stock super late model are modified.
Has been thought about attaching the seat belts to it making it like all the
cup series seats like we've been building in aluminum and also all the carbon fiber
seats on Sunday you see get these guys run will be incorporated into this short track seat.
So I'm excited for that to be done.
It's taken about three months longer than what I hoped.
Yeah it always does.
But we could have shipped what our previous versions was and not be perfect.
But I've really put this thought and effort and time and money into this thing to make
sure it's right to roll it out here in the next couple of weeks.
And once we do that man I feel like we're going to have a lot of demand for the seat.
A lot of people are already asking about it.
It's going to be the latest strongest nicest thing that has come out of this building ever.
So I'm excited about that.
And just learning how to run a business to manage people has been well you've been
doing a lot of pennies into that too.
So I'm excited for you to start making some.
I just want to tread water right now.
That's all that's all I want to do.
And I want you guys to keep listening to the show one quick one quick story.
Some guy stopped me in the garage this week and he said hey man I just I work on a trash truck.
I'm like a hydraulic mechanic diesel mechanic working on all the hydraulic hoses and stuff on
this any given trash truck during the week.
And I'll tell you listening to your guys podcast and how positive you guys are.
Penny stacker the week penny stacker the week man because you are working on trash
trucks.
Listen to second pennies.
Whether you work on trash trucks or just God knows what else you can do.
Hopefully you're having a fantastic day and keep listening to us.
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He's in the goat category.
He's in the goat category.
Certainly took the past part.
And every time I listen to that one too they go hand in hand.
So a lot of stuff to catch up on if you haven't been keeping up.
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So going to breast the last great Coliseum guys.
I'll be running the 10.
I'll be changing tires on 88 Kyle Larson Saturday.
And we'll all be watching along with you guys on Sunday to see what happens to these tires.
Check it out baby.
All right guys this is Stag and Penny's.
Corey the Joy here alongside Ryan Flores have a fantastic week.
We appreciate you guys and you guys know what we're doing each and every week.
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So have a great week.
Goodbye.
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