Zac Doom Of Heavy Clothing #445

What's up everyone and welcome back to the fast life podcast on today's episode I'm sitting

down with my good buddy Zach from heavy clothing.

He's also the man behind the full tilt boogie chopper show that goes down in July in the

Minneapolis area, I believe just outside of it.

It's a camping van and motorcycle weekend camp out style good times been to a version

of it.

I haven't been to the camping one yet, but hopefully I'll make it this year.

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All right, now let's get into it with my man Zach.

Hey guys, you ready to let the dogs out?

One way it seems like it was a long time ago and then another way it doesn't seem like

it was that long ago we were sitting here and I wasn't that long ago.

Me too.

We were here and not even two years maybe this bomber tried or something here last last

year at the beginning of the year.

And then I came back for full tilt that years.

Yeah.

Things have started to get rolling again and as far as the motorcycle rule goes, you know,

I know a lot of people never stop, but as far as the outside interest and yeah, type

of thing is kind of cool to see it start and happen again with what do you mean like with

the like which which just people just people build them bikes and ride them, you know what

I'm saying?

And I don't know it's, you know, just like how you how you you're coming into it to the

shovel build and stuff like that.

It's just it's cool.

It's cool to see, you know, people taking interest, you know, yeah, I would say that

all the I mean, that's literally been kind of a topic of a lot of conversation when I'm

doing a podcast with like some of my homies and peers from the, you know, the performance

baggers and in that world, you know, a lot of them are kind of like, man, like they don't

understand.

Yeah.

They do.

They understand the custom aspect of it of like, you know, how there's just like this

direct, there's no look, they can do anything you want.

You know what I mean?

But at the same time, it's like they don't, they're like, oh, well, they want all their

bikes to be fast and they want all the bikes to be the same as a performance bagger or

an all out dyna.

And I dude, I'll be honest with you.

I've only got like 40 miles under my belt on this bike and at 55, 65 miles an hour,

it's like it's fucking it's different.

Yeah.

Well, you know, so I asked me one time, you're like, why do you guys ride those fucking

bikes?

And I was like, I was like, do you want to have as much fun as an excitement as quickly

as fucking possible?

It's like, you know, a mile, a mile on this thing, you know, the 60 miles an hour.

Yeah.

Well, it's just like you're, you're so, I know this is a overused kind of

like the analogy or description, but like, you're just so connected to everything

going on, you know, jockey shifts.

So you're like that light that's the next light.

You're like, OK, is that a hill?

No, OK, I'll be good.

I'm going to just, I'm going to coast up to it.

Hopefully it'll turn green.

You know, like these things just come into play.

Like you don't have time to like think about shit that's unimportant at the top.

You know, I know, but that's, that's what I like about it, man.

It's not like you'll find yourself like, you know, in a situation where you're

just like, OK, the best thing I know how to do is ride.

Let's start fucking doing it right now.

Because this shit is getting sketchy, you know, it's not it.

And also like, you know, I think that so many people over the years that I've

known and talked to like, oh, a hard tail is going to beat your ass.

I'm like, man, like, honestly, of course, I only got 40 miles.

So I can't say that this is like an absolute, but it's like not that bad.

I mean, no worse than like a, I mean, you hit a you hit a nasty part of the road.

No matter what you're on, it's going to buck you a little bit.

Yeah, that shit, you know.

But yeah, yeah, man, I mean, it's all about tire pressure, you know, as us.

I got a new tire and the wheel put on the rear of life.

That chopper over there and, you know, the tire was pumped up to 35 man.

I hit one bump with that thing and it fucked me up.

Like you felt it.

I felt it.

Yeah.

And I never been jacked up like that, but it's yeah, it's the tire

pressure is low enough.

It's it's pretty easy.

But I think, you know, your body being part of the suspension, so to speak,

you know, with the art tails, I think just, yeah, just puts you in the zone, man.

I got like true mid controls on it.

So my feet are kind of under me under me.

So like when I see something bad, I can kind of like take some of the pressure

off my back.

But no, it's just been it's been a bad ass experience, man.

But dude, like you literally last you finished the black one for mama tried

last year, right?

And then this is breeze, right?

That's right.

Oh, it's yours.

OK, so this one was for 69 shovel.

I built it for myself.

Originally, it was built for it was I was going to show it the first time

at the party at the Penn East, the software, which was a great fucking time.

I don't know if you've been obviously first year.

Are you been in Ohio stuff?

No, when I left your place last summer and I was going to go to

Field, Cleveland, and I literally passed it and I had an opportunity to go

get with somebody to go to Sturgis.

I just kind of jumped fast and went, but yeah, I want to go.

It is fucking cool.

Like I had no no clue.

It's in Mansfield, Ohio, which is where the prison is, which was like

the same prison everyone's heard was in Shawshank Redemption,

yeah, which doesn't do this place any fucking justice, to be honest with you.

And so they built the prison like 200 miles from, you know, any city.

Them dot, you know, when they had escapes and stuff, it was like,

you know, we're talking pitchforks and torches and shit.

Yeah, like this is this is like an early prison town, like 1900s.

Like it was a civil war camp before that.

So it's it's haunted the shit, but it's like a different level of haunted.

All right.

It's it was more of like it was undeniable number one.

And it wasn't like you see anything, right?

Or, dude, it was like you smelled stuff, bro.

It was like the other senses were like that's what it was tapping into.

Yeah.

And I they're shooting my taking some pictures of my bike.

They're down by the cell block and stuff.

So I like I walked around and went around a corner and it's like, you know,

it's like this the walk around is like a square like a city block, maybe two.

Yeah.

And so I got to the corner and like, here's the line.

You know, now I was like, I was like, OK, I'm going to pretend for a second here.

I'm going to hold my head up, see if I can walk straight down this motherfucker.

Head up, right? Yeah.

Dude, it was like I felt like like Motherfucker.

You're just like, all right, like they were like it was it's it's it's just

got it's got like a soul to it.

Yeah, dude.

And everyone that works there, this is where it gets crazy.

Is these are all people that were on paranormal investigation,

shit on History Channel, right?

Ghost hunters, right?

These are these people, bro, right?

So when COVID happened, like in Hollywood shutdown,

they got a lot of the folks from like the spooky community went to work there

and they got a lot of special effects.

Horror movie guys went to work there, too.

And, you know, they put on this the prison puts on like,

dude, they're crazy.

It's on the house.

It's just shit.

Dude, they do like it's like a venue, a museum.

It's it's wild, man.

It's it's unlike any venue I've ever been to.

Yeah, that's a good idea to take something that has like real haunted history

and then add like some layers of like real production value to make it

like a destination haunted house.

They do this thing called it's like incantation or some shit.

Right. Yeah.

And it's like, you know, fucking Slipknot's headlining, Paul Booth's

fucking, you know, like all those kind of 90s people.

And it's just tattoos and metal.

And yeah, it was a man.

It was a pleasant surprise to go there.

And then the town itself was like, you know, like.

Like an American town, man.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like you went there.

You're like, wow, this is fucking nice out here.

Yeah, it's like you wouldn't know it's a prison there.

What wouldn't you wouldn't know the city's problems don't reach that area, man.

And yeah, it was that's cool.

And we're going again.

Yeah, that's I believe early June, right?

I think is when it is.

We were when I was with Jeff and Davenport, we were talking about it.

And I want to say what's his name is.

Is it Warren or the guy that puts it on Luke Luke?

That's right.

He had a FaceTime, Jeff, I was there.

So we were all like shooting the shit and everything.

So no, it's it's, you know, it is, man.

There's like so many like great events, but it's like for me, like I love the

small ones, but I need to go to like one or two big ones every year.

Just just for industry, keeping keeping the business alive.

And, you know, I've been having to tell a lot of people.

It's like, look, man, like the chopper ship for me is just like my personal thing.

It's what I want to do right now.

But I still have to go to work in the motorcycle industry and that the money

to, you know, take care of my wife and kids and fucking bills that comes from,

you know, feel injected bikes.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

So I mean, that's the funny thing is I feel like a lot of folks of like,

you know, when the motorcycle industry goes down, they see the choppers

and they see the prices on Instagram.

And, you know, they think there is there's the money in the chopper.

Oh, yeah, there's money.

But not as it's like five percent.

Yeah, the overall population, you know what I'm saying?

I think right now what's really happening is that you have a lot of

a lot of folks that have been building modern bikes, customizing motor

bikes. Now they're kind of looking to expand their skills.

And so maybe they're not going shovel head or, you know, Evo.

But they're like, OK, well, let me let me take this new bike and, you know,

go up on the neck.

Kind of like how did my brackets for it?

Yeah. Yeah.

So I think it's like a good time right now for

people being inspired to want to learn to build more shit.

I mean, it's it's ridiculous to like, you shouldn't be scared to like cut

out a piece of metal, make a bracket and feel like you can run it on your bike.

And it's not trash, you know what I'm saying?

And yeah, I kind of.

It's I've bought them.

The guy was saying, but.

No, and I built that bike, man.

And that is a lot of fucking fun, a lot of fun to paint.

That's like orange pearl under all that.

Yeah. And then I had again from Japan.

I sent him my tank and fender and he painted that.

And then we had to match that yellow when it got here.

Pretty good job.

And then Lindsay, Lindsay B matched the frame, the airbrush on the bottom

in the splats, you know, to the rest of it.

So it looks like, you know, it was all done together.

Oh, yeah, it looks good, man.

Yeah, it's it was really not that much of a pain in the ass to put together.

You know, it's just so simple.

It's like, you know what?

The wiring is like the fucking tie in the room together on it.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I had a, you know, my my process of doing what we did when I did

my my chopper, it's just I was more being taught everything.

So it was a longer process than if if I had already done it before or whatever.

So, you know, you know, learning how to like take the bottom off a tank

and dish and crown the top and like all like I have it all videoed.

And as soon as I get a chance, I'm going to start making some videos about it.

But I learned a lot, man.

And I almost have enough parts almost still have a few a few key things

I need to get to where I can probably build another one, you know,

which I might try to do late next year.

Still recovering right now financially.

You know, all this shit, you know what I mean?

But it's it's literally, dude, it's a I'm I'm Jones and to get home right now

because I want to go ride this fucking bike.

You know what I mean?

But the.

Yeah, what I was like wanting to get with you about is like, man,

the the full tilt this year, you change that it's another spot.

It went from a typically a six hour show to a two three day event.

Yeah. Yeah.

And man, we've been trying to do this for so long as far as like, you know,

have this camp out and the big space and you know, but it's something that

we had to develop.

You can't.

I don't think you can just like pop up these giant events and just expect,

you know, you know what I'm saying?

So being realistic about it, we've just kind of like the the crowd and

the local people is who's almost as who's led us to this spot.

You know what I'm saying?

And, you know, it's when you have people come, you know,

have a slumber party for the weekend or whatever it's like, you know,

it's a it's definitely what you take.

You've done that.

How many years has the full tilt been going?

This would be like 14 years.

Fuck. Yeah.

Yes. And that's how long it's taken to get everyone together on the same page

and like, and it requires some trust on their behalf to like, you know,

or you're going to show them a good time.

Yeah. Not just like, you know, just turn it to just getting money out of everybody.

Yeah. You got to balance that out where, you know.

Yeah. But I think I think it was sick.

Like, and I assume the bands were there too.

Right. So you got the vans out there doing there's like band camp

outs close to where I live that I'm like, I'm trying not to get too involved

in that community because I'm like, really, I can't afford two hobbies like that.

Like, you know what I mean?

But it is kind of sick.

And I like blending them together.

It's like the same people, 100 percent, you know, for sure, man.

The the the fans are killer and they're actually maintaining and just getting

parts and keeping them running is so much cheaper than Harley.

Oh, 100 percent.

You get like a little Harley master cylinder this big for 80 bucks.

You get a master cylinder that big for 30 bucks.

Yeah. What the fuck, you know?

Yeah, I was actually hoping to drive my van out here and I did a lot of maintenance

on it and was feeling real confident about it.

I was actually stoked about it because then it's like I liked when my van looks.

I'm going to these badass places like I'm going to pull my camera out.

But in my Jeep, I'm like, I'm not taking fucking picture of this damn thing.

So it had like this like 60 miles an hour.

It only happens around 60 to 70.

It just has like this shimmy, like a almost like a misfire.

But it's like everything's new.

I mean, the motor's not new, but like the distributor, the whole distributor,

cab, rotor, fucking, you know, plugs, wires.

So I'm like, yeah, it used to be plugs or something, you know?

I mean, a plug could be bad, but it is fairly new.

You know what I mean?

So I did a lot of shit.

I changed a couple of sensors.

Still a series, right?

Yeah. So it's a TBI injection one.

I had one of those over here all winter, man.

Yeah, actually started up every time.

You know, it's pretty pretty decent.

It's it's it's it hasn't left me stranded yet.

So it's like the in that for that regard, it's like I trusted to do stuff,

especially around Texas.

But like last thing I want to be is like up here with the fucking FXR

and SNS motor and all the side on the side of the road.

Yeah, you know, and that'd just be, you know, it's I just couldn't afford

to try to get it home if that happened.

So I made the last minute decision, which kind of bummed me out

because I was looking forward to driving it up here.

I've always been in the vans, dude, like I've always been into them,

but I just never I had a like a more newer van like what you're in now.

I had one of those for about three years.

And man, it solved a lot of problems for getting stuff around.

But then I always kind of had an eye on the old Chevy's

because I'm a Chevy family, same here.

And man, I just on marketplace after last summer, I'm on marketplace

like a fucking a fiend every goddamn day.

And I saw this one pop up and I stared at it for a week and a half.

And then I finally like say, babe, this looks fun, doesn't it?

She's like, yeah, it looks badass.

I'm like, we should get it, right?

So I had an FXR that just like a one that was riding around, nothing done to it.

Sold it, got pretty much all the money needed to buy that

and just kind of swapped it over to that.

I dig it because me and my wife, we go camping in it.

Like we we go cruise it on Sundays.

It's funny how people like when you tell me that you had spent the night in a van.

It's like people are like totally stoked or like mystified.

Like what do you mean?

Like you slept in it like, you know what I'm saying?

It solves the problem, man.

It's great to hear.

It's yeah, I love it.

I want I've been doing the longest time fucking I drove my seventy eight down to

like the last that was it?

Sutherland, Florida.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Because they used to have the van stuff that was attached to it.

Yeah, yeah, the parking lot.

And it was at the at the club, you know, the bomb bomb factory factory.

And yeah, dude, I drove it down here from there.

And I swear to God, I think I got passed by every single fucking person.

Like, you know, doing sixty five, you know, but yeah, you want to be doing

eighty seems like going to Texas, but I got passed by everyone, dude.

It took fucking forever.

Yeah, I left.

It was in September for some reason.

I thought it was going to be kind of not as hot in Texas, but as hot as shit.

It's not. Yeah.

And so by the time I like went through Oklahoma, the dust and air, just the,

you know, it like I had like a dry, rotted hose, you know, just kind of like

fucking some shit got back home.

But man, it was all never dried out again.

Yeah. And bless up, stay in there for a month.

You know what I was saying? Yeah.

No, I think I think that once we kind of get recovered from building these

bikes over the summer, that the next our next thing project me and my wife is to

we want to put something a little more newer, modern in the motor, which people

kind of, you know, that I've talked to about like the kind of like, no,

don't do it or whatever.

But my bro, we want to we want to drive this thing all over the country.

Yeah. So it just piece of mind, like, you know, when you go on vacation,

which you're like, you don't want to be sitting there fucking like stuck on

the side of the road trying to find a goddamn engine or, you know, alternator

or shit like that, you know, Vans are actually quite easy to work on.

I think people's misconception of that.

There is like one little sliver of like, it's kind of hard to kind of fuck

with things in the very front. Yeah.

But once you pull like the house off.

Yeah, dude, you can access all the shit, all the stuff that really make it

a running gun. Yeah, they drive when you pull a motor, you pull it out the

bottom. Yeah. Yeah.

But no, I think the LS is cool.

I get it. I mean, I got a new van and I got a old van, you know, but having

the new van to be able to be able to go anywhere on it in it is fucking awesome.

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This trip, if we would have had like a Sprinter, that'd been like perfect,

you know, just all it would solve a lot of problems.

But my wife and I, we sit down and go like, well, yes, it would be

it would be practical to have a Sprinter van, but it would be a one use

kind of vehicle as opposed to right now we have a dual purpose.

Yeah, you know, and it's like, I kind of want to have an over.

I feel like I need it.

I need to have a real overwhelming need for a Sprinter before I buy a Sprinter.

You know what I'm saying?

I'll think I'm going to buy a Sprinter and then it's like, you know,

it's kind of like you don't want to grow into a Sprinter.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, because you're going to be paying an all free scooter.

And those things are fucking expensive as shit, dude.

You know, I mean, I'd like to dodge ones.

Yeah, yeah, rams, transits, you know.

Yeah, the thing, the other thing is like getting into this more and

especially working on one all summer, all year, essentially.

Now I cannot wait for swap meets because now I know what the fuck I'm looking at.

Yeah, you know, I know I, I remember all these little parts and I know where they go

and I know so I have a different like connection to when I look at a box of parts

because before I'm like, OK, this is supposed to be fun.

I have no idea what the fuck I'm looking at.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, you know, it's like you don't want to buy the part you need.

Five fucking times.

Yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

So yeah, you want to know what you're looking at or you're going to get like,

you know, I think that's what made this easier for me was I knew all the parts

and, you know, what goes where and stuff like that.

So yeah, it was kind of already had, you know, I have a I have a process

might now be insane.

So and I was able to put that together and the process works.

Yeah, I'm when it comes to like the the generator shovels and older,

like so I've been telling everybody because that's been a lot of questions.

Oh, you're going to do a pan hitting.

I was like, dude, I those kind of motors, I feel like they got to fall into my life.

I'm not I'm not seeking them.

Yeah.

You know, but like if something, you know, when you ride, I think when you ride,

I've heard Dan talk about this and other people like you go on a trip on a bike

like that, they come find you, they see you at the gas station.

They want to talk to you.

And I got one of those in the garage.

We're calling Dick Magnets being a being a field in the middle of nowhere.

And fuckers just start coming out of the fucking woodwork.

Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, they hear the shovel head.

They hear all that stuff.

But yeah, it's kind of the movement.

I'm I'm not like I'm not like actively seeking anything like that.

But I do want to start being more frequent at at, you know, swap meets

and just kind of like I said, I know the parts that I'm looking at now.

I know what kind of acquire and if you build bikes, you're going to build bikes

and you got to go to swap meets, man.

You know what I'm saying?

And it's just the besides the obvious networking and social aspect of it.

You know, one that we always go to.

I'm not like really, you know, snitching on this woman, Davenport, Iowa.

Yeah.

And you know, I got that frame there the year before, you know, it's like,

I got the tail light up down.

You can literally go to the swap meet and find what you need.

Yeah, I mean, those front forks are sick.

Those they're like super.

Yeah, Poox, Poox.

Yeah, he does those lowers on Kansas City, dude.

Luke, yeah, Poox parts.

Yeah, that's like my favorite part, man.

Just so clean, you know, it's kind of copied after the whatever

were they called Barney's like the Swedish ones they made.

Just so tight, you know, you know, you don't it looks like a rigid front end.

Yeah, it's not, you know, I found those pinch tail lights.

You know, that was a good score.

Yeah, the other one, man, you got the crazy Frank Fender,

which that's that's been wild, right?

Dude, can you see? Can the camera see up here?

Yeah, I think he can. Yeah.

All right, well, crazy Frank came to Minnesota last

winter, last March.

I'm in the parking lot getting stoned before the swap meet.

Eight a.m. Everyone else has been there five a.m.

Like, you know, fighting each other, right?

And I'm in the parking lot and I see these dudes coming in hot, you know, late.

With truck, you know, truck full of shit.

I'm like, I see this Honda chopper.

So I kind of walk over there, see this crazy Frank Fender.

And I'm just like, whoa, I'm like, is that for sale?

You know, and they're like, yeah, I'm like, how much you want for it?

He was like 250 bucks.

I was like, done, man, right?

And I was like, you know, crazy Frank's here, right?

And they're like, yeah, we already was, but, you know, blah, blah, blah.

And so, yeah, I was able to get crazy Frank to sign the fucking thing.

I mean, yeah, that's like a holy grail piece for me, man.

And then, you know, we got him to set up at our booth that weren't free this year.

Yeah. And, you know, Frank is is, you know, I mean, everyone knows his name

and stuff, but he's it's just he's a very interesting dude because it's like,

you know, I'm mostly familiar with like Southern California culture

coming here, but he was he was there in Southern California.

You know what I'm saying?

And him, he was in the industry and in in with, you know, like NAS

and, you know, all those folks, you know, it's like the same thing.

And the craziest thing is like, no one ever stole his design.

And I told him, I was like, I was like, Frank, I was like, you're like the boogie man.

Shoppers, right? Yeah.

Every time anyone would see one of those fenders, you know, we'd be like,

oh, shit, yeah, that's crazy.

Frank, you know, that's, you know, he's in prison.

He's getting out soon.

And any time anyone was like, I'm going to make my own.

We're like, don't ever make your own crazy.

Frank, you know, and the dude is such a legend.

And, you know, most of the stories, I can't really talk about the interesting

aspect of it is, you know, he, him being out of Southern California.

And it's like, if you looked, he was putting out like all the same level.

I mean, the catalogs, like just the stuff that he put out was amazing.

You know, how's his like his enthusiasm now that he's out for the culture,

the bike, you know, industry, things like that.

You're not not speaking for him, but like just from your, you know,

hanging out with him over the summer and stuff like that.

No, man, I don't know.

I do know that, you know, a lot of people know crazy Frank from like his,

you know, his one side, but like, yeah, it's like just what he's done

with motorcycles and shoppers.

It's like, it's, it's fucking, it's amazing.

And, you know, I hope more people kind of get to see it.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

So he, so he was basically Southern California.

But now he came here when he got out, right?

No, he's still out there.

He's still out there.

Oh, he's still out there?

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

Southern California.

And he, you know, he was, yeah, I saw.

Yeah.

It's always hard to kind of navigate those.

Yeah.

You know, crazy Frank is right though.

I'm glad to get to know him.

You know what I'm saying?

He's a lot of dog.

He's not, he's not that scary.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

That's always cool to have a reputation that's scarier than you.

Well, I asked him though, I was like, I was like, I was like, how did you get

these people to not copy your shit?

Cause out here in Southern California, it seems like one person puts out a part

and someone gets it, you know, made cheaper and this and that.

And it seems to be really cutthroat.

And he's like, all right, it's a real good copyright and protect your guys.

You know, yes.

Yeah.

Well, shit back in the day, I mean, even like just my back in the day due to patents

and copyright shit was like, dude's a design apart.

They'd have a hundred parts, not even like cool ones.

They're just so quick to get patents just so that they wouldn't get copied.

And, you know, you know, China fucking kills that now.

But it's, it's kind of crazy how that shit all kind of trans transpires over

the years as far as like, you know, somebody comes out with this and then

actually, you know, there's 14 more just like it.

And I mean, it's like, why, why, why, why does it got to be like that?

That's the only thing that like that that I don't get is like, why has it got

to be so cutthroat like that?

You know what I'm saying?

There's just not enough money in it.

Yeah, there's really, I mean, that's, that's, that's the nail in the head right

there. This industry, there's not that much money to go around and distribute

the wealth in a way that you could have that many people really doing well.

So it's, it's like there are, there are ways to crack the code and get out there.

But it, there is ways to like sustain a good life in this, right?

But, you know, like the old saying, it's like, you want to be a millionaire

in this industry, you got to start with two, you know what I'm saying?

I mean, it's, it's like, yeah, you just got to be cool with where it caps off.

Yeah, for me, it's, it's like, it's as much about being able to live

this life on a daily basis as it is anything.

And that's what's, what's also like, I know, I think I'm with the same

in this regard that like we live modestly, you know, like, like, I'm pretty simple.

Simple.

Yeah.

Like I, you know, we don't have like, you know, $1,200 truck payments,

you know, fucking $5,000 mortgages and, you know, all that stuff.

It's, it's kind of like, you know, I want to live as cheap as I can.

So I can, and, you know, go and do things and be a part of things, you know?

Yeah.

I mean, it's like, yeah, traveling, man.

You know, that's where it's at, dude.

And you're not going to, I mean, I just went out to San Diego and landed.

We went to Ocean Beach.

You've been to Ocean Beach?

Yeah.

Ocean side or Ocean Beach?

Ocean Beach.

Okay.

Ocean Beach.

What's the one, the hood, the ghetto by the sea.

I think it's Ocean Beach.

All right.

Okay.

Could be that.

Yeah.

I got, I got a graffiti piece right here.

But man, this, this, this was fucking wild.

Yeah.

It was like, I don't know if you want to go down there at night.

Yeah.

In some parts of it.

Okay.

That's something on Ocean Beach.

Dude, it was like, yeah.

This was like, like the surfers there look homeless, a hundred percent.

You know what I'm saying?

And it was like kind of like surfer street people, like a mixture of that.

It was, it was very clean and spotless as a matter of fact.

Yeah.

And it was like, uh, like there must have some deal going that, you know, as

long as you pick up all your trash, you can, you can stay, you can stay, you know?

But yeah, it's, uh, I went to the dog beach there, right?

This is going to sell funny, but, uh, I fucking follow these like

tango, I was at surf and fucking Ocean Beach, you know?

And this is, that's where they are.

And I went out and tried to stalk them out, you know, couldn't find them.

My one buddy's found them a couple of weeks ago, but it's like, dude,

the dogs out there at, at the Ocean Beach dog beach were like on a whole

another level, dude.

Like it was like a society.

I'm like proper dogs.

Yeah.

It was good to see you, man.

You know, but it was, uh, yeah.

You know, California, it kind of always inspires, you know what I'm saying?

Just because a lot of cool shit there.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

San Diego is different though.

This is mainly military area.

And I, I guess World War two, that's where people shipped out of.

I believe so.

I mean, it's, and it's still got like all the, a lot of bets.

Yeah.

I mean, you got, was it Coronado Beach?

I think right there or something like that or Island.

Um, that's just literally like, I have a good buddy that just retired

from the Navy there and every time I'd come out, he'd take me to like the

cafes and the different stuff on the island.

And it's, it's pretty gnarly, man.

Like seeing those fucking huge ships and, and just everything involved.

The battleships.

Yeah.

See all the battleships I've ever seen, you're like in the golf and they're

like just the, yeah, I see like, you know, a parked one.

Yeah.

It's Carolina, it's a museum.

You know, yeah, there's some city commissioned.

Yeah.

We're, we're, I think we're out at Newport Beach, uh, born free this year.

When I was on the boardwalk, we saw fucking like giant submarine, man.

Yeah.

Submarine, dude, that's, it's, it don't matter what it, it don't matter how

would you get that, that shit's cool to see in person.

You know what I mean?

There's a battleship, a submarine, jets, fucking, you know, that's a wild shit,

man.

It's, uh, yeah, uh, I think American men used to be a little bit tougher and

cut from a different cloth at one point.

Yeah.

We've been, uh, we've been, uh, conditioned to become TikTok, TikTok

dancers away from, uh, you know, knowing how to climb a rope and.

And it's still like, dude, California is still wild.

Cause it's like, I mean, they're right off the side of the road.

The land's like inhospitable, bro.

Like, you know, it's like everything's pointy and sharp and rocks and this and

that.

It's just like, it's still kind of fucking wild out there.

Yeah.

I can't not go there.

You know, like I, I go there for inspirational.

I do.

You just, it's a collection of a lot of, uh, creative, uh, people, uh, creative

energy, the place, you know, is just kind of like, it's hard not to feel like

inspired when you're there.

Yeah.

And I go there and I'm like hungry and I feel like if I, if you live there, you

would probably get into that more mellow state of like the California.

I don't want to live there.

Yeah.

I don't want to live there.

Yeah.

Just too many people, man.

It's, it's, it's like fucking crazy how many people are out there in

the North was in last summer.

I spent two weeks like hubbin out of Venice and it, it, it took a toll on me.

It's like lane splitting is sick.

I love it.

I loved it.

I was able to do it, but it got old.

It got so far as like, man, I just want to take forever to get anywhere out there.

I just, I just want to ride and, and not have to be this like not engaged with

the motorcycle engaged with everybody else.

Like that shit is mentally like it, like I said, when I get there, I'm like,

this is sick.

Hell yeah, we're fucking just keeping going.

But then over time, two weeks of it, you're like, dude, I'm fucking over this.

Yeah.

I just want to be in the mountains or in the desert somewhere, you know,

opening it up.

And so yeah, it's a, I still been wanting to get up here more and meet some more

people in, in like this Minneapolis, St. Paul, just the whole, you know, area over

here and just like we've talked about before on the last podcast and just in

general, there's, there's just so much history and finding ways to, I don't

even know if it's like about sharing it as more than I just want to like, I just

want to hear them, the stories, even off the podcast, you know, things like that.

And, you know, being in Davenport and, and Jeff telling me things about, you know,

the swap and, and Jeff Wright spot over in a morning and going back and forth.

And it's just a, there's just something different about this up here.

And then it's been like the third time now, but like driving and riding the

Mississippi dude, that is like, that is like some of the like top on the list.

I think in America that I think y'all know, and I'm probably blowing up the

spot now, but it's like, it's really sick dude.

Like I've ridden and driven quite a bit of it now.

And I'm like, there's not a bad road.

Yeah.

It's like just rolling green hills as far, I mean, as far as you can see, man,

like we call it windshield time or whatever.

You know, you're just like, yeah, you know, like the little towns that are

like on the river on the Mississippi that they're like built like right on the

road and they really don't go far off.

I was like, dude, this, this shit's sick.

Yeah.

I mean, at one time, I mean, you know, that's how everything came and came

and went was the fucking rigor, you know, or river before that.

But yeah, it's, it's, it's a cool spot, man.

I mean, we just, the Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri, and then, you know,

then we get down into Texas.

You know, and, uh, it's, you know, I've been going from Minnesota to Texas

up and down for a while and you're going to Kansas City next, right?

Yeah.

They got it going on down there, man.

We were just there for the Dave man.

Yeah.

How was that?

It's fucking killer.

Yeah.

It was killer, you know, um, it was, it was a good turnout, you know, like it was.

I had every intention of going and then I, I had a, the wheels I ordered

for my chopper cause I'm a little bit too much of a pussy to do.

I spoke wheels and travel on them.

Um, order in January from a homie and they didn't show up.

I ended up having to get another set of wheels and then they showed up

at the end of September.

I'm like, dude, you are the nest wheels on before.

No, I'm running a Lindahl wheels on it now, but I was running.

I wanted my, I wanted the chopper originally to have like a, an 80s vibe.

And so the wheels I had done were like, uh, you remember the Iraq Z Camaro?

It had like the, the five star like slant spoke look to that.

And I was just, you know, thinking like it'd been cool to do some kind of

80s style everything, you know, so a full custom built.

Yeah.

No, no, no, that's, yeah, you're, you're, you're already, you're already

getting there and you're cutting up, cutting up gas tanks.

But so the goal was like, I was going to, you know, I had every

intention of riding one of my bikes up to, uh, up to Kansas city experience

that cause I love that fucking town, dude.

I haven't spent any time there tonight.

It'll be the first time I've probably been like there with anybody that I

like meeting people there and, you know, the, the bottoms over there.

Yeah, that's where it's where all the stuff is, man.

Like the guy that made those pukes, he's got a shop there, machine shop, you

know, big ass crazy shit.

Uh, our other buddy Sam, he's down there.

He's got a shop, uh, Sam wraps.

He did a purple more free bike couple years ago, then you got Tommy's down there.

You know, he, he, he helped bring the Dave man show there.

And, uh, yeah, those, you know, they, they got it going on there.

Yeah.

Well, they're little younger cats, but they're doing it right.

Yeah.

And they've been around, like they've come up with us.

Yeah.

Not even a moment when they were like 20 years old with a, you know, clapped

out sports or type of shit.

Yeah.

Now, yeah, it's, it's really cool to see, uh, you know, the younger

cats actually come up and then like do it, not, not even better, but add their

thing to it and push it just that much further, you know, cause I mean, do poops

is like, like, I can't even tell you how he, dude, his clutch set up.

Right.

You see the chain right there.

It's just that.

All right.

And it's a fucking, uh, it's a motorcycle chain.

And this is how you do your clutch.

Oh, okay.

So you don't even, uh, there's no paddles, nothing.

And then the, his break on the other side is like, um, literally goes right up

the frame, like by this at the top of the head.

Yeah.

So if you didn't, if you were looking at this bike, you wouldn't even, you'd

be like, it doesn't have brakes.

And that's wild.

You know, yeah.

Now there's, there's a, there's a lot of dudes there, man.

It's like, uh, but it's like, uh, for me to get into this side of the culture,

it's, it's a slow access of like meeting people and then, you know, just

showing up and be respectful.

And then you kind of get more access and doors open and shit like that.

And, uh, do the beaver bash last year.

I know that you probably heard about it through like all the dudes in Texas,

but that was kind of like the final straw when I did that last year.

Or I was like, all right, man, I just, I tell the story to a lot of people,

but like we all went to this like cafe and, uh, you know, the ride over there

was sick.

It was, it was, it was fun.

We walk out of the cafe and then it's like all these old school choppers.

And then like an Easter egg in the grass was my fucking gold bike.

And I was like, man, I like to stand out, but like this, like I kind of

don't want to right now.

Like, you know what I mean?

And, and just the way they were all riding and just being able to be in

that pack, like I saw a different version of it and not a different version.

I just got to experience it.

And then I came home and I had some money, a little bit of money

tucked away, but like, I really didn't need to spend it.

But I was like, all right, I'm going to find an EVO.

Someone's already done a hardtail and I found one to do just kind of like

wanted to sell it, but then I think his wife was making him sell it.

So he didn't happen.

I was like, fuck it.

I'm going shovel.

It's like, why am I like just do the hard thing.

You know, for me, it's hard because I don't know the motors.

You know, I know EVOs very well.

Um, but yeah, I'm glad I did, man.

It literally a year, uh, right around now is when I picked up the bike.

So having it done and she is just kind of bad.

I can't wait to travel on it.

You know, honey, I still got it.

She doesn't like to start in the morning.

So I got to figure out the timing and get all that stuff done.

But once it's running, it'll start.

It starts pretty easy after that.

Yeah.

That thing starts super easy as a shocker, you know, but, uh, yeah, it's

like now, now I don't know you, you know, I'm over trying to kick it 40 times.

Yeah.

Oh, it's like, I try to figure it the fuck out, get it going.

But yeah, the whole, like I said, man, it was so, so like just getting, you know,

and just this, they've been a good year.

It's been, yeah, yeah.

I've been growing all the products too.

Man, I see you got the gloves coming in.

Yeah, we got got the shiesties.

Yeah, they're our crime kits.

Crank.

So some gloves and I'll fuck you.

Like some, uh, some like stilettos or some shakes.

Yeah, that's good.

Yeah, but we got, I got some switch blades when coming out with it.

And yeah, that's, I mean, you know, there's, uh, at the party at the

pandas, this one cat had the coolest thing I'd seen.

I'll hop to admit, but it was like, uh, it looked just like a patch, but it

had a velcro on it and handcuffed key in it.

And he would like, sew it right back here.

Yeah.

It was vest.

I was just like, yeah, that's a good one.

Oh, fuck.

That is a good idea.

Yeah.

I'd like party at the pen, man, that they had its museum with like all the fucking

shanks and stabby things, tattoo guns and like, how long did that prison?

Like, was it, was it an operation to remember?

Oh, dude, it didn't get shut down until the nineties.

I think it was an operation for 67 years.

And, uh, it, dude, it was built by like, dude, it's just like, it's so

crazy.

I know I keep talking about it, but this, if you remember Ghostbusters, man,

with the fucking, how the building was like architecturally designed to bring

in shit, that's how this place is.

Yeah.

Now I've done, I've been to Alcatraz before that would probably be the

pinnacle of like wild shit to have like a party at the pen at Alcatraz.

Yeah.

I mean, you have to have a boat to take all the shit.

Yeah, that would be next level shit.

That would be, yeah.

Yeah.

But it seems like from what I'm, I'm hearing is that it, it's done so well

in Idaho that the prison, uh, museum people reached out to the shot saying,

he said, y'all need to have this.

It's a good thing.

Yeah.

Yeah, kind of happened like that.

Um, but I, I know that it took, I think it took a couple of years to get this spot.

Yeah.

And, uh, you know, everybody was like, you know, everyone got along so well that,

you know, it's, I think it's going to be a yearly thing now.

But, uh, man, that was cool.

And like, like you said, Alcatraz, like I haven't done the tour.

I've seen it and stuff, but yeah, kind of just like, you know, I've been spending

all my life trying to stay out of prison.

And then like, I'm like, oh, wow.

Now we can go to a prison museum and just go check it out.

Yeah.

This is, this is a way better way to do it.

A tourist.

Yeah.

So it's kind of, you know, it's kind of weird, like, you know, but, you know,

at the same time, this is like, it's kind of the history I'm into, you know.

Well, we talked about that in the first podcast about how events need to have

like an aesthetic to it.

It can't be, and I've said this a lot and it came from you.

You can't be at the computer show where they, where that happens, where

the, the great carpet and the, and the partition walls are.

It needs to be a place that has character and, and, and soul.

Definitely, man.

I've done, like I said, I've been doing my show for 15 years and it's like,

literally, I can't handle another hot parking lot, man.

You know what I'm saying?

And it's just like, you don't want to spend your weekend.

Like, you know, yeah, cooking.

Yeah.

And it's, yeah, I don't know.

It's the camp.

This year, Full Tilt was just like, I mean, it was literally like, I'd spent

that amount of time to get it to that point.

And when you, now we got this venue locked in and it's, it's, uh, I don't know.

I'm just glad to finally kind of get there with the event.

You know what I'm saying?

Because people like it's a lot easier.

And if you want to come to the show, it's like, and you're coming from a distance

then, you know, you, all you got to do is drive to the spot and you camp there

all weekend and you don't have to go into the city or any of that shit.

You know what I mean?

And I think a lot of people are just like, uh, you know, when your show is in the

city and you don't know what's going on, it's kind of harder to, to make the

leafy, yeah, yeah.

But if you know, you just got to get to there and you're good.

And then, you know, yeah, and our helps is by far outside of the town, town,

it's not even like 20 minutes.

Well, yeah, it's right over the border.

So for the first time, now I'm doing my show in Wisconsin.

Okay.

And I did it legally too, because they, like you're saying, like you saw the

river and all the little houses, what Wisconsin, dude, so many people, like,

there's people that literally, I think they camp like fucking damn your year

round, you know what I'm saying?

Oh shit.

It's all these like little shannies and bungalows.

So they require like, you know, permits and shit, you know what I'm saying?

But, you know, I did it all legally and it kind of, I don't know, the first

time I've done it, it's kind of, kind of cool.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

I didn't, I wasn't worrying, you know, and I, uh, I hired an actual, like my part

time job working at the venue with your rock and roll shaves and this and that.

I just, I hired the best door guys I worked with.

And now they, now they run it and I got people that, you know, that's what

they do for a living.

So that's easy.

No one's knocking at two a.m.

being like, Zach, we've got a problem.

They're taking care of it themselves.

Yeah.

You know, and that just helps a lot.

And instead of being like having to feel like you have to do everything, you

know what I'm saying?

Yeah, a hundred percent.

No, it's good to have it out there.

I mean, it's a good time of year, a good camping weather, uh, like,

as a creek stream that runs through the back.

So like in the morning, people were like, you know, taking a dip.

I mean, yeah, it was, uh, it was crazy.

And then, uh, so this year we finally had room to do the biker games and just

got, oh man, next year is going to be insane because this year was kind

of a demo, Dan made it.

You know what I'm saying?

Did the kickstart competition there, right?

Kickstart competition.

Uh, I don't think I don't have to do made it to born free, but he was trying.

I know that after that, but, uh, yeah, Dan, Dan came through.

Um, I know you're not committed to cover every year.

Dan, thanks for coming this year.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, it's like that kickstart competition.

That was, that was cool.

People were really excited about it.

And, uh, you know, Dan, obviously you're, you see Dan down there all the time.

So it's like, you know, his energy, people were, were stoked.

He, dude, he's becoming a showman.

He, I mean, he's always kind of been one, but he's definitely like, uh, I,

I watched him at born free on Cali this year.

And, uh, he just gets up there and it rolls.

Like he's, he's really growing into that, that position of like being able to

stand there with a mic and keep the crowd going.

You know, look, looks can be deceiving, right?

Cause that dude laid some knowledge on me that I was like, Oh, wow.

Yeah.

I was like, wow, you know what I'm saying?

And, uh, yeah, just, you know, I just was like, I was like, Dan, I was like,

I don't want to leave the country.

I don't like, you know, I just don't want to go out there.

I was like, can you tell me what the outside perspectives are?

Yeah.

And, you know, the world.

Yeah.

He told me some shit where I was just like, it was like so intelligently

spoken that I was like, I'm Dan with the college or something.

Holy shit.

Like the big brains on.

Yeah, man.

And I mean, and I still, I can't get over it.

He went down to Darian Gap, dude.

During that, I mean, it's like, holy shit, that's hot.

Yeah.

You know, I mean, and he says he doesn't know what he was doing, but I mean,

the young ones think he didn't know cause that shit would have been scary.

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I've always felt like this is a dig at all.

This is just more like I feel like he just he can flow through life

like water and just nothing really I wouldn't say nothing phases him.

But he just gets he just ends up he just I'm going to do this.

And it's like because he did he might not know everything that could go wrong

or he just doesn't allow it to exist in his mind.

And it just doesn't happen.

You know, he's in Colombia with the fucking president or whatever.

He's outside our side of park, armed revolutionary cocaine dealers, like compound.

He's like, you know, he's taking pictures of the graffiti on the side.

And I'm like, get the fuck out of there, bro.

Like, you know, it's.

Yeah, he just skates through it.

I kind of I kind of have got to see his like his arc or when.

Yeah, from I probably met him at like, you know, one of the last giddy ups.

And yeah, it's like that, you know, he came up.

He was kind of chasing the X games thing for a minute.

So he came up here and stayed with us and was doing somehow.

Yeah, he came up here.

I didn't even ask, you know, I was like, you got any extra tickets?

You know, because I knew, yeah, he's like he had all access.

He's like fucking, you know, eating with the fucking athletes and shit.

You know, and yeah, it was pretty cool.

Then, you know, that X games thing that, you know, the flat track got killed.

Yeah, yeah.

And so for, you know, him to be able to pit it, you know,

well, it's good because he has he pivoted from from the flat track

to like the off road stuff of the Pan America, right?

And he I think he was a great ambassador.

He is a great ambassador for that bike.

But he's still just like he just he's just, you know, a wanderer.

You know, honestly, you know, he does it so effortlessly.

And you know, at this point, I mean, when I first met him in 2016,

he was already like he'd already done this stuff, traveling with his band

and all that shit. But like the dude, there's going to be a lot.

I mean, he's he's going to be a very, you know, influential, very.

Yeah, I think. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I could I could if he sticks around for. Yeah, I don't see it.

Well, yeah, exactly.

As I definitely he's a lifer in this shit, man.

Yeah, it's it's it's cool, cool to see, you know.

But, you know, it's hard, you know, like me and him talk a lot.

We've we've always paid like bounce back and forth, you know,

having conversations about podcasts and like, you know, how how's yours doing?

Where do you where do you feel like it's going?

We just try to stay up on it.

I wouldn't be sitting here doing this podcast with you if he didn't help me

get mine started, you know what I'm saying?

So I'm kind of stoked is I feel like there's I don't know.

I mean, I guess there's a group of people that been on both.

Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, dude, Dan's going to take this thing in a different direction than I am.

Right. And it's just that it's just because of what he's interested in

versus what I'm interested in.

And it's cool to see that, like, you're both got your own wings.

You're not stepping over on it.

You know, I mean, it's like, I mean, that's what I'm saying.

That's yeah, it's a good, you know, good collaboration for sure.

You know, yeah.

I mean, like I said, it's it's it's a it's really not.

There's a lot.

I mean, there's a lot of podcasts now.

There's a lot of content now, and that makes it that, you know,

there's just so many options for people to to consume to get into.

So it sometimes can like muddy the waters of, you know, my show, his show,

things like that. But the thing is that, like, we're we're kind of like,

like, I'll do this as long as there's somebody listening.

There's somebody that wants to be on those two things happen, then then you have a show.

And that's probably the thing that Dan and I probably have the most is that we have

a history doing it. And we, you know, it's just part of our lives.

Like, it's not like a thing we have to go out of our way to do every once in a while.

Like, we're not starting a podcast, you know, and that start part is hard

because you're adding a layer of work to your lifestyle that you have to.

We we've learned how to do this, like going on the road, going to events,

like to be able to sit down with people and and and get these stories and get these

up and there's yeah, there was never an instruction manual.

Yeah, but that's that's the fun stuff. Yeah, it's figured out.

Yeah, you figured out you get the gear, you know what I'm saying.

And you see it. I mean, the gears last time I was here, dude, I had fucking.

Oh, yeah. I had a fucking suitcase. I had to roll in here.

And, you know, I mean, the production is awesome.

But, you know, do you really need it? You know what I'm saying?

It's like me, I guess, obviously, when you're in your studio, you can.

Yeah, that's just plug and play.

Like, you know, you could show up in my studio, walk straight up the stairs

into the studio and then, you know, I will say one day about your podcast.

OK, it's very listenable.

You have like, you got to have your sounds dialed in and voice.

And it's like, you know, where you're listening to on your phone,

it's like you can't hear anything.

And it's like screaming.

And like, you know, it's your I like, I like, I appreciate when it's produced

in a way where, you know, you can hear it, listen to it in your car.

And that's that's kind of, you know, doing it this way with these little mics.

That's a new learning curve.

So I'm pretty sure I have it dialed because I know how to adjust.

I know how to do the audio stuff.

But yeah, these are going to be a different dynamic where I'm going to have

to learn how to level these things good so that you don't get that.

Because naturally, I think because I'm used to talking on podcasts,

I speak with a deeper voice in a certain.

Yeah, where, you know, like, for instance, my buddy Frank from Speed Deal,

like he's a very soft spoken guy when he's when he talks.

So I'm like, OK, well, we're the same level on mics and his sounds good.

And when I listen back to it, then mine's loud as fuck.

So I'm going to have to bring mine down so that you don't get that shit.

Because I know exactly what you're talking about.

You're in the car and you have it all the way up because it's too low.

Yeah.

So I mean, some sometimes they slip through the cracks where it's just like,

you know, I don't I'm not a sound engineer.

I just watching the YouTube videos to kind of get the the gist down to kind of dial it in.

But you'd be surprised how many people are on YouTube now, man.

Fucking god, especially like if you're a white dude over fucking 40 years old.

I think that's all you're watching.

It's like I went to I went to a wedding in San Diego this weekend.

And I was telling you, I was like, you ever been to India wedding?

You're like, I don't know, dude, this shit was insane.

I'll just hear it.

Here's just one part that was pretty badass.

So dude, so they have a parade like the grooms, like the groomsmen and the people,

they have a parade that goes to the spot where they get married.

Traditionally, they ride a white horse or an elephant.

Traditionally, right?

Since this is Americanized a little bit California, he had a white 60s Mustang

even better, right?

So so he's like sitting on it, like, you know, JFK or whatever, like, you know,

in the back of the convertible.

And then, dude, they just have this fucking crazy music blasting and everyone's

yeah fucking dancing and shit.

I was just like, this is fucking insane.

I was like, this is so much cooler than like some of the weddings I've been to.

And, you know, these people are from India.

There's like, you know, some of the relatives that didn't speak English.

You know, I mean, it's a scary looking fucking dudes, man.

Some of these are gangsters, man.

You know, they have this cool look, you know, designer sunglasses, designer shoes,

like Louis Vuitton, like, you know, mid-length, you know, robe or whatever.

And yeah, it was it was a super neat to see.

And you know, it's in California.

So it was like such like California kind of wedding because like the

not the preacher or whatever the guy who was leading the ceremony was like this

older white dude, white carrier, just like, oh, this dude lost his mind in the 60s.

I was like, and he's been doing this ever since, man.

And it was like, Timothy Leary up there or something.

And it was it was it was it was it was very different than any Western wedding I've been to.

Yeah.

It was it was eye-opening.

Like I know I kind of appreciate that stuff a lot more these days.

You know what I'm saying?

Just seeing how other people do their thing.

Yeah.

And you don't get it.

Yeah.

The Indian folks are on another level.

Man, you're on some other shit for sure.

I mean, I don't know much about their culture.

And but, you know, I love maps.

That's everyone.

So I like I'll like Google map.

I'll be in India looking at, OK, where's Kathmandu?

Where's all this shit at?

And then when you zoom in on those cities and you just see it's like this,

it's so fucking many people.

So much shit.

It's like, dude, like it's insane.

Like some of that stuff that I've just looked at on maps that are crazy.

I couldn't imagine being there.

Originally, the wedding was going to be there.

And the wedding was in India.

Yeah.

I think we would have been way over fucking heads, bro.

We would have been like trying to survive.

Yeah.

You know.

Yeah.

That's like the whole the hangover.

The hangover series like the movie.

The second one, I think they were in like,

what do they say?

Bank dots got them.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Thailand has them now.

Yeah.

But, you know, YouTube is like pretty much predominantly

like the motorcycle side of things.

It is a lot of older men, white men, whatever you want to say.

And it does kind of suck because I was literally talking to some

Harley corporate people about this.

And like you put essentially all of your marketing energy into YouTube,

which is where you get the most return on investment.

But it's also your biggest hater, right?

Where everything you do is like wrong because a lot of the dudes that are hating on it are

the dudes that are like, you know, in their fifties, maybe early sixties,

they're like, Harley lost her way, blah, blah, blah.

And it's like, I keep telling everybody all the time, like, I don't know about you,

but like a lot of the bikes that are coming out of the bikes that like my generation wants,

like we want maybe not as much technology as we're getting now,

but we want these bikes that perform well and do good.

And you have like the low rider ST with the faring and bags.

And we dig that shit.

And that's kind of where the next one is, dude.

Like there's a roguelite three out there for you.

Ride that shit.

You know what I'm saying?

Like what do you want us to do?

Like why can't we have our fucking fun in the sand now?

You know what I mean?

So I don't know.

It's just a weird woman with the YouTube world.

It's like, I feel like I said this on the power plant podcast or really the show.

It's like, man, I'm trying to do these podcasts.

I'm trying to share these stories and they're there.

They're there forever.

So that, you know, when a young guy or an old guy finds this culture in five years

or 10 years, they can go back and listen to the 10th year of mama tried with Warren.

The, you know, the, would you say the 13th or 14th or 15th of your thing?

And just like, this is going to exist there.

You know, like think about that.

I mean, but it will exist on YouTube.

But I was saying about this the other day and I was just like,

like we had talked about this before and I've started doing this.

But like, like real photo albums.

Yeah.

Just think about like, I was going through my photos at the airport.

I'm like, man, I got 20,000 fucking things on here.

Like none of it seems important, but it all kind of is.

And like where it's all gathered right here, which is like, you know, like in the future,

I guess they'll just see it by turning it on and it doesn't seem like a lot of fun.

But have you seen that they have those companies now where you can like send in

all your photos off your phone and they'll make like a little book, like a little mag book.

I mean, it might not be like some high quality production shit.

But honestly, I mean, you and I both are our magazine kind of stores.

So it's like, to me, I feel like that might be kind of sick.

Since I've grown in this world and been collecting books, magazines, and like all the shit,

I can't tell you how many people I've hosted at my house and we just sit on the couch.

I'm like, man, you ever seen this book?

You ever seen this?

Especially other photographers, other people that are in the creative side of this stuff, too.

And it's like, they walk out the way I walked out of Michael Lichter's house the first time.

And to me, it's like, I got inspired that way.

So I want to try and inspire people.

I know. That's, yeah, exactly.

It's weird. I was like, I don't know, sometimes every time I fly, I get some real

some clarity and stuff, you know, and it's just like, it's like,

I mean, it comes down to sharing the joy.

Yeah.

You know, but sharing the joy.

Okay. But the process is not always, you know, happy.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Like, okay.

So this bike right here, me and my white white milk, right?

Yeah.

And so, you know, it was a lot, a lot, a lot of cursing and wretches and this and that.

And I'm like, I'm like, man, what the fuck's going on?

I'm like, easily, you know, I'm like, this is like my thing.

And then like, you know, once we got done, I realized I was like, I was like, yes,

this shit's a struggle because the payoff at the end of this is what we do it for.

Yeah.

That's the like, that's the reward and getting there is not easy.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, 100% off.

And, you know, it's, it's just, you know, the process, it's, it's, it's, you know,

it's difficult, but like the payoffs is fucking great, man.

And off.

Oh, 100%.

And that's, that's where it all comes into with all this stuff.

And, you know, those experiences, like they say, well, everybody's always said the trip

with the problems, you know, the breakdowns end up being the fucking, you know, ones you

talk about the most.

I'm not saying seek out things that are problematic, but, you know, just be, just be

like open to whatever's going to be and deal with it.

You know what I'm saying?

Oh yeah.

For sure.

But now I would, I would, I think that like we started, we got conditioned to use our phones

to take pictures and post it on Instagram or whatever social platform.

It actually worked really well for all of us for a long time.

It was a satisfying thing to put out there.

And as much as I do kind of blame algorithms for like the way things are socially now,

it's also the fact that there's so many more people on it and there's just so much more

its content.

Look man, when your fucking grandma is hitting you up in the DMs, it's over.

You know what I'm saying?

When mom is commenting on your photos, it's time to find another area because, I mean,

obviously, yes, it has got very mainstream, you know, all of like all the cultures I feel

like that were like kind of, you know, started on that platform 10 years ago.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't, I do not look to it for inspiration, unfortunately.

I don't either.

If anything, I look at it and I'm just like, fuck, you know.

Man, honestly, I find, I mean, there's still, there's still obviously bad ass people on the

platform.

It's just hard to find people now.

It's hard to find like things that inspire you because the things that people are posting,

these little, I guess the new thing is like the skit reels, you know what I mean?

Like the husband and wife, they kind of do the things that people are used to.

And it's so over.

There's so many people doing that now that like in the end, they're not showing you who

you follow unless you go to the thing, the tab that says only the people you follow.

And I don't fucking remember to do that all the time.

I just open that like I have for fucking almost, you know, 10 years.

Yeah, dude.

It's like, yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, it's sometimes I'll go to the, you can literally, it's this easy, dude.

The algorithm thing and like you hear the echo chamber and this and that.

Like if you, if you want to look to the, to these platforms for some type of something

to believe in or some shit, you know, it's like you're in a bad fucking spot.

Yeah.

I don't know what I'm saying.

And so it used to be able to people could find like they could find like a like a culture

tribe or something because like I'm guilty of charge, man.

I grew up in this motorcycle games.

My entire adulthood never really even noticed it.

I mean, I can't say I didn't have access.

I didn't notice any of this, any of this, all the shit you guys are doing with, with logs

and, and the early days of like the, the vintage chopper, the period correct stuff coming up.

Like it, it was all happening while I was running the streets.

And I'm like, I never noticed it.

It was Instagram that exposed it to me.

Yeah.

You know, and, and it's also exposed it to me in a way that I could like, I'm not,

I don't know like how to, how to word it.

I just, Instagram has shown me a lot of culture that, that I appreciate now.

That's a big part of my life now.

You know what I'm saying?

The dinoculture before this, you know, all that shit, man.

And now it's like, it's just really hard to sit through it and find it.

Like you're, you're looking at a couple of motorcycle things and then bam,

there's the biggest tits you've ever seen in your life.

Oh, that's all.

Like I was good.

Okay.

So you go on your random page, right?

Usually, yeah.

Big tits for me.

Like, yeah, same.

For some reason, I just look at chicks on Instagram now.

Say I can not now.

It's like, yeah, I think it's like, it's literally like almost like it's trafficking

through your fucking phone or something.

It's, it's getting, I heard during COVID, okay, you know, like Tinder.

Yeah.

Turn into a straight escort site.

Like you can go on Tinder and 200 bucks, 50 bucks, whatever.

Oh, fuck.

I didn't hear about it.

Yeah.

This, like, this is where like all the hoes went to and all the, like,

it's actually pretty fucking smart.

You think about it.

Yeah.

It's, it's, it's, and I feel like, you know, Instagram, all that shit's hidden on there,

too.

If you know what you're looking for and stuff, you probably get, I get some of the

shit sent to me that are like, like this shit is straight, like fed trap shit.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

I kidding.

I don't hate the hustle, but I mean, just like looking at, I mean, every day there's

like a post where it's like only fans created a cleared $43 million this year.

I was like, God damn, dude, like I ain't, I'm not hating, but I'm just like.

That's one fucking person.

Yeah.

Right.

That's one person.

And then there's thousands of people to hear that story and then they fucking started

only fans page.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like, yeah.

Will you hear about the, the guys that do like only fans farming kind of thing where

it's like one company and you just go and they set stuff up, they photograph you either,

either they're taking pictures of you naked or you're getting railed or whatever the case is.

And then they do everything.

They take a percentage of your, of your money and then you're still making stupid money

and they're doing all the promoting and marketing.

All you got to do is go be, be a whole basically, you know?

Yeah.

I mean, I, I'm not mad at it.

I'm not, I don't know.

So if you got your page, right?

And you're looking at too many tits and it's all tits.

Just chopper right there.

Chopper.

Just, just hit six choppers.

Yeah.

Refresh that shit and tell them, tell me what the world's looking like that.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like, it's back to normal.

But yeah, it is.

It's, it's very muddied, man.

You know, like you're not like, we're talking last time.

I feel like the in real life and word of mouth stuff is like, you know, it's happening.

You know, more, more so again, where, you know, you're going to get so much information

about podcasts and YouTube and shit.

But, you know, when you're like right there is like an always creature.

Yeah.

I've been kind of pondering this kind of thought process because

like the events, the born freeze, the sturgesses, the, the, the full tilts,

the mama tribes party at the pins.

I wonder how many people want to go experience these things, but they're,

they're trying to like get the Yelp review of it.

Like they want to get the review of the event to see if it's worth their time.

And then I see that happening a lot now to where they're, they're, they're

photographing this stuff.

Some of this stuff looks staged and you're saying like it's, it's, it's, they're putting

I don't know.

Like what are we, what were you saying?

Well, I was saying like, you know, when you're like for the end user that might be

wanting to find the kind of things that exist, but they, instead of just going

and for an experience and not having expectation in their head, they, they

watch a hundred YouTube videos.

They, they try to find out, you know, reviews about it.

Like they want to.

They ain't going.

Exactly.

There are.

There's going to sit in their chair and be like, I don't have to go.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

And it's like, all right, you sit there.

That doesn't look as fun as it is.

It's not worth my going across the state or country or whatever to go to.

So I feel like the, the yelpification of culture is also taking away the, it creates

an expectation that now something always has to live up to, instead of you going to things

and being open minded to whatever it's going to become.

Because your event, I'm sure has similarities every year, but to say it's the same

fucking event every year might be pretty hard.

It's got its own life, you know, culture has a little bit, it's moved in one

direction or another every year.

And that's going to play into how it feels.

Well, I mean, we, we have a guy here that has photographed every year.

Full until.

Right.

And gophers and cheese.

I mean, he's done.

Yeah, he's done every year.

You know, I've been trying to like, I'm like, dude, we got to put out a book.

That would be sick.

On, you know what I'm saying?

And like this dude has documented it.

And like, I didn't even put it together until like 10 years.

I'm just like, I'm like, you realize, you know, what you have and like the show, it's

an annual thing.

So it's like, you know, you see all the same people, but it's like, it's each year.

And then when you look back on it, you're like, then you kind of reflect on what happened

that year for that person.

Yeah.

And yeah, I'm just so happy that like we have the two guys.

Yeah, you guys get a document.

That's why I really want to put it in a physical book, you know.

And how's your, you've been fucking thinking about magazines still?

Yeah, man, I, you know, we, we were talking real heavy about it.

No pun intended.

When we were at your house that summer, you know, and I, it is, I owe, I owe, I owe my

the world a book that I, that I went to make last summer.

And man, I tell you what, like I got, the reason I haven't like pursued it is because

these bike builds, and I feel like the further I've gotten away from that experience, the more

I could reflect on the experience all summer being on the road and all the things I experienced.

And I have, I have great photos.

Like I, I'm really happy with what I captured.

I have enough to put together something, but I think the, I don't want to just be photos.

I want there to be some word in there that kind of ties everything together.

So that might take a little time to get the words together.

So I've been, there's, there's an app called InDesign on Adobe.

And I'm learning that app kind of slowly here and there.

And so I'm, I'm working on it.

The magazine thing that I, that's like a dream to have one.

We've talked about this all the time.

And it's like, I want to do it.

And the way I want to do it, I think could be the way that magazines get back to being what they,

you know, where you feel like you want to know what's going on in this.

I think I have a, an angle to give somebody something they might have already seen,

but they haven't seen it like this and they haven't heard this.

And that takes a lot of intention, like a lot of, like, yeah, seeking, seeking.

Like, it's not like, Hey, Zach, it's not rando.

I like the shots.

Good. Have you had gophers and she shoot that shit real, real quick.

You need to be able to see what dude is going to do before he's seeing what he's going to eat there.

You know what I mean?

I want to go and, you know, the thing is, I could do it with the podcast.

I want to go and spend, like I've spent at your house and gone on the town

and shoot more than just the bike.

You know what I mean?

I got you.

That way there's so much.

Yeah, dude.

Yeah.

Because the point is like a magazine is, is, is two parts.

It's photos and words and the words got inspired and the photos got inspired.

You know what I mean?

So you have to have both.

And sometimes it's like, yeah, they want to know what frame it is.

They want to know this, but that, that story gets kind of repetitive.

But the why you built this bike and the, and a little bit of the backstory or whatever,

you know, maybe it's a bike that, you know, you got that frame from an old L,

L four sterile or some shit like that.

You know, so that's kind of what I want to be.

Yeah, that's cool.

Sure.

For sure.

And I want boobs in it.

Yeah, I hear you.

I hear you.

It's got to be, you know,

it's got to be one X.

Yeah, at least one.

Seized one.

But yeah, eventually.

I mean, you know, but I don't know, man, like the, the, the bike building stuff and

getting into fabrication has kind of been like a big one too.

And it's just kind of, it sucks, man, because I have a, I have a lot of dreams

about a lot of cool shit.

And it's like, I don't have a lot of time.

Yeah, it's, it's wild.

It's like, that's why I always said, you know, people ask me how I do in this business.

I'm like, give me another 100 years, man.

I'll be a fucking millionaire.

I'm saying, I'm like, yeah.

And, you know, you kind of have to pick and choose, you know, what you want to do.

And, you know, I got some projects I'm thinking of too, you know, and,

but, you know, it's got, it's, I don't know.

It's got to, you know, the demand has to, you know, has to kind of be there.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

And to do it, you know what I'm saying?

I mean, at this stage of the game, you know what I'm saying?

I kind of wonder if like, okay, you know, maybe, maybe in the traditional sense of a magazine,

like quarterly, monthly, whatever, maybe, maybe that's just not in the cards for me right now.

But maybe if I could take a year's worth of stuff and put together a good coffee table,

you know, magazine, where there is a lot of stories, there is a lot of,

you still have the coverage of events.

You have, I think that might be more practical for me to be able to pull off that way.

I don't have to, you know, have the restraint of, oh, shit, it's about to be, because when

you're doing a quarterly, that shit comes up quick, you know.

And you're, yeah, I mean, you're, you're working for other people at that point.

Yeah.

I'm saying.

And I, and then it's like, you know, it could, you know, I know that there's a couple sponsors

I could get to help fund certain aspects of it, but it's like, you're not really trying to,

yeah, you're not, I'm not trying to like, I'm not looking at this.

Yeah.

Like, yeah, I don't, I don't think it's, it's not something that's going to make me rich.

I'm, you know, if it could cover itself and be an asset to the motorcycle community of some

former fashion, and I think I'd say.

That's what our show is, man.

It's like you're giving everyone their time to shine, you know what I'm saying?

And it's like, and you're providing a place for them to do it.

Yeah.

And, uh, yeah, I mean, you can never take all the cool out of the room, dude.

You know what I'm saying?

You got to leave, leave some stuff for everybody else, you know, have fun with.

I was, uh, born three Texans this year.

Oh, man, I love that event.

You know, it's, uh, I'm partial to it because it's in my backyard and, um, and I've been fortunate

to have a relationship with Mike and Grant since it started there and help it grow in any way I can.

Last year, it felt like it really finally had its own identity.

Like it wasn't like, uh, it was like, we're going to born free Texas because it's, it's,

this is the vibe.

Not like we're going to go see if it's like California.

No, I've been here and outward people.

Yeah.

This is Texas and, you know, and that's what you want when you go to Texas.

It has its own unique hurdles.

Uh, the thing that makes it badass is also the thing that makes it maybe not feel as intimate as like,

uh, I don't know if you would feel like, uh, like born free Cali's intimate, but you really,

you can't not like where your booth was.

Like you're going to see just about everybody walk by at some point.

Yeah.

And at born free Texas, you might not like, I never even got to go to the swap meet.

I didn't see a lot of vendors because it's way over there.

And then my route was here and here a lot of the time.

So there's those kinds of hurdles and obstacles to overcome.

But as it gets more and more people, it'll do better.

The thing is that like if vendors and people going treated it like,

what can I do to make this better instead of what is this doing for me?

Like the event, like, I think of vendor space is like 250 or 300 bucks for a 20 by 30.

And that, and you could park your band and camp in the back or camp in it or whatever.

So that's, that's your room and board and your ability to sell shit.

And if the vendors made it like, if everybody going involved was hyping it up the same way

that the event is, then I think that people could get more out of it.

You know what I'm saying?

I do agree that like, you know, I feel like there's next year will be born free five.

And from what I understand that born free five and Cali was kind of when they started really

having a lot of the legwork done to where they can start being a lot more,

the, the invited builders were getting a lot more, you know, attention and things and shit like that.

And, you know,

No, that's like, yeah, you got to, you got to step it up as far as more features on the builders

and stuff. But that's something you could do because that's like, yeah.

Well, I tried to do what I could, what I like.

But just how you were talking, you know what I'm saying about like, you know,

going a little more behind the bill, this and that.

It's like, you know, yeah, a good thing for it, you know, I,

I miss all the early born free California, like video promos and I mean,

dude, they would send two dudes around the country to the west coast to the east coast

and they would stop and they would film the build. People's champ did that. I think,

like the last one where one billwell took over from show class that, you know,

they traveled around auto. I think travel around did that and

man, I mean, dude, it just was like, I mean, you're like looking in the spring and you're

just waiting to see what this dude's going to build and what kind of parts and this

and like, you're like, oh my God, these cartoons going to paint this.

Like you're just like waiting to see this paint job for months, you know what I'm saying?

And man, I don't know.

They, they, it was cool. You know what I'm saying? And I really feel like I would,

I would be like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to build a bike for a big show like that.

You know what I'm saying? Right now until like, if it just needs to be

not necessarily promotion, but just a little more sign, more light on the deer has built the

bikes because they're, they're killing themselves for this shit. And sometimes they set up and

they don't even sell a shirt because no one even knows, you know what I mean?

And I know you mean by like, you know, it's not, it's, you know,

you know, it's like the vendors need to do this, but

it's, it's both if you're paying fucking a thousand dollars to be there for the weekend.

Yeah. And look, you better have this shit dialed in, you know what I'm saying? Because

yeah, you know, it's like, I like it. Look at, uh, you know, born free California. I mean,

their vendor thing, that shit thrives. Yeah. People make money. Yeah. And I mean,

I think that when people start to make money, like hand over fist in Texas,

it's just going to be more valuable for the people who put on born free to charge

for that opportunity, right? But I do agree that basically there needs to be a little bit more of

a concerted effort to showcase to my, on both sides of it, right? When you cut the budget,

why do you got to cut talent? We got the budget on talent. That's why we're coming. It's like,

you know, it's like, you know, we want good music, man. Well, you know, it's just like,

it's just that shit always bums me out because I mean, I know the nature of it is

when you just want to continually make more money every year than, you know, at a certain point,

you start cutting the costs of the event. And that's always, I understand that. I mean, a lot

of the, I feel like even some of six over had a lot of like free, born free, like that old

documentary from. Yeah, dice. Yeah, dice. And I mean, I think that, you know, whether it's

like, I'm just now starting to get to no carry from a choppers mag, whatever he can do, like

there needs to be more content that's not from the builders or from that side of the camp.

Oh, yeah. Like the events as promoters need to promote more content on their own because

they're selling the fight. They're selling the show. You need builders, you need vendors to

have a show. Those are the two things that give people purpose to go walk into it and other,

you know, music, things like that all help as well. But if you go to a bike show and there's no bikes,

then it's just, I went to a bike show this summer and I had to go check it out and

it looked like a porta potty exhibition. Like, like, you know, you don't have to line up

a hundred shit or side by side, like in the center of the fucking, you know, area or something,

just because it looks convenient or whatever. And like, I mean, I had my dude with me and he's like,

where's the bikes? I'm like, there are none. Like this is a bike show and there's no bikes being

shown. There's like one old shovel head sitting there or something. And yeah, it's, yeah, it's

a, I think right now for like in the terms of a bike show, you know, I have a good friend that's

putting on shows, uh, Taylor from ship to crew, but to expand on what I know he's doing, what he's

trying to take it, I just feel like there's a lot of, uh, it's such an afterthought for a lot of

people that are putting on shows where they're not thinking about the fact of how much time,

money and effort it took for somebody to build a bike. And dude, I maxed out a credit card

to finish my bike, you know, like you get out there and you just want to get some kind of,

it's like, I don't care about the trophy, but I want to, it's like, more so now we want to feel

like if you invited a builder to something, even if you gave him $2,000 for fucking gas money and

this, that and the other, anything dude, because like, you know, the, it's like, if you guys were

athletes, you'd be getting paid. You know what I'm saying? But hey, same level, same big show,

same fucking sponsor sometimes. Yeah. And I'm saying like, but you know, a lot of that's

changing too. I don't know if you've seen like, uh, how all the skate brands shit are fucking,

you know, like being sold, you know what I'm saying? Like to discare the stores, like there's

some really wild like shuffling of, you know, major California brands and surf and skate culture

that like, you know, quick silvers going out of business. What the fuck's up with that? You know

what I'm saying? I just, I heard about that. I can't remember if it was like stuff I was watching

on YouTube. So I watch a lot of like skate stuff on YouTube about old skaters and shit like that.

They're older skaters. Um, yeah, it's like, they're, they're kind of passing out the culture. I

think we're doing in the surf world too. I think, uh, yeah, no, it's just, it's, it's, uh, yeah,

that's people are, uh, I guess I even heard like a pro skater right now, like has to have a part

time job straight up. Oh, yeah. There was like, there's not even enough contests with purses

and stuff like that. So I guess that our skate videos still like, no, they're not really,

it's, uh, Instagram banger clips is what pays. And there's a whole crew of like skaters and

surfers that aren't even necessarily in the culture. You know, they're like, you know, but

they do some, some crazy shit on Instagram. And then they go back to, you know, a whole different

type of skater. There's not the skater house anymore. That's like, you know, the, the, the,

the board brand pays the rent here. And it's just like 10 skaters and just crash there and party.

I don't even know if they can do that anymore. To be honest with you, it seems like, uh, I mean,

it's, uh, it's wild to see, you know what I'm saying? I mean, it's not like Tony Hawk and

shit like that. That's like, you know, I mean, he probably made more money off his video game

than he did anything else. But you know, that would be the extreme success story. And, uh,

where, where the wedding was was actually in Fallbrook, California. And that's, uh,

Tony Hawk had his fucking mega ramp there. Uh, you know, I was Googling it. I was like, I saw

like, yeah, like the animal chin ramp parked in his backyard there. I was just like, wow, dude.

So I went to a tattoo convention in Delmar, like in 2000 and something. And the ramp was up before

like Tony Hawk's ramps right over there. You know, like, yeah. It's just, it's interesting to see

how that's going to go because it's going to, it's like, it's like you're farming culture now.

You know what I mean? If what made skateboarding so unique to me while I was into it was,

was the, uh, the culture in it. Like to be like, when you say I'm a skater, you're, you're not

just saying, I know how to Ollie. It's like, no, we go fucking skate. I skate from here to there.

It's about transportation. It's this, you know what I mean? And, uh, that's the one thing they're

saying, like the skate parks are kind of like a self-created prison because you got these kids

that like go to the skate park and that's all they skate and they don't really bring it into their

vice. You know what I mean? And then you got the kids that like, you either get dropped off, you

drive kids to skate there. You know, it's, uh, yeah. Yeah. It's obviously I was into skating,

you know, before they, you know, bikes and stuff like that as a kid, you know, but

it's similar. It's similar how the cultures, cultures are definitely different and I,

and they're definitely kind of both suffering in the same way. Yeah. I think one of the things

in the bike world that I've been trying to, uh, really push forward is like,

there's new generations coming up that kind of want access to everything, but they're not

actually putting any kind of, uh, work or work and, and you know, the term gatekeeper is like one

of those things that people like to say is like a, like a derogatory or it's, it's a negative thing.

Yeah. And I don't think it is. I don't think it is either. And I wish we had done a whole

fuck hell lot more of it right now. Yeah. And the tattoo world, like they're going through it as

well, where, you know, at one point you did an apprenticeship, you know, you worked with that

person for at least a couple of years at their shop, you know, it's like, yeah, it's like this,

the, the new kids and you know, now they just teach themselves how to tattoo and open a shop,

you know what I'm saying? It's like the, the, the old school like order of things, you know,

is definitely out of whack, you know what I mean? And, uh, I've been getting more into the tattoo

culture again, because I feel like they're getting ready to go through a kind of a renaissance, man,

because right now it's, if you learned the history of tattooing in America and the people

and players involved and the backstories on some of this shit there is like mind blowing shit. Like,

and I noticed that there's people that if one dude came up with a quote or a one liner that made

sense 50 years ago, the tattooing world, these other people have adopted this and there and

it's like they, it's just like, it gives me goosebumps to, to like, you know, see how

what's happening with tattooing right now, because there's, because it's like, you got every, like

anyone, everyone's tattooing, it's more saturated than ever, more shops than ever, but man, the OGs

and the people that are like us in the bike thing, they're coming into being the elders at a certain

point, 10, 20 years. It's just like, I don't know, I think we're going to see, uh, like with the

choppers thing, we've seen a lot of people from like, you know, the FXR dyno community. Yeah,

we're seeing a lot of people from the tattoo community too. And I think the tattoo community

is going to be a very, the next big creative push with, you know, choppers and stuff like that

without, without like the, the, the process to get

access to culture with or access to learning things, then you don't really value it as much

because you got it from YouTube or whatever. Yeah. So that's like the devil's advocate or

contradicting myself right now. Like I want to put this out there. It's like, it's like, yeah, it's

oh yeah. And yeah, the YouTube is like, when you hear it on there, it's one thing, like I said,

man, like, like, I feel like the arm chair quarterback, you know what I'm saying? It's like,

there's a lot of that kind of shit. Yeah. Well, when I say like gatekeeping, I mean more so like,

it's gatekeeping to give you the best experience. Right? It's not gatekeeping. Like you're,

you're not allowed here because you're not like the right choose or pants. It's like, look,

if you follow this path, it's just think of it more like it's just a, it's a sidewalk,

you know, it's not a gate. It's just a sidewalk. And if you want to get into this place, you need

to walk down the sidewalk, right? The gate is literally there to protect like the culture,

the culture, you know, it's a, and you know, obviously there's nobody has control over that.

Everybody can decide like if the world decides tomorrow that the business shoppers is like

exactly what is the next wave and every big will bagger or performance bagger guy goes out and buys

up all the panheads and all this and makes everything even more expensive than it already is.

It's just what's happened. Yeah. Then, you know, we can't do shit about it, but

the thing is like when you're, when you're embedded in culture,

you don't really have to preach about it. It's just like, you know, you know, and if you go online,

like you don't want to tell you guys kind of what I'm doing now. I want to tell you guys why

you're not doing it right. Like I don't ever want to be that dude, but on a podcast on intimate

conversation, I would say that like, I spent the last fuck when I did the Max Shaft podcast and

that was even, I was already kind of really drinking the chopper Kool-Aid then, but when I did Max

Shaft podcast, uh, 2023, dude, ever since then, man, I've just been like really wanting to get in

here, but I wanted to not understand it more, you know, and I wanted to figure out or not figure

out why I want to understand why through conversations and people and meeting things and,

and take this shit slow because I want this to last. Exactly, man. It's like, like you don't have

to go buy a bunch of shit. Like, yeah, fucking take exactly, man. It's all right. And like none

of the chopper dudes I've ever met. And of course I might have a little bit of a, uh, a different

angle because I'm a part of the industry and shit like that. But I've never felt like no matter

what I was riding that I was not allowed to be the chopper supply code. I remember I had a big

wool fucking bagger and Kenny is like, dude, right through here. I was like, I'm not going to ride

that. I'll ride my diner. But you know, he never said, he never gate keeps. He just, hey, if you

want to come check out what we got going on, you can see it. Yeah, he was, he was definitely

ahead of his time with that. I mean, Jesus, you know, like two years later, board three comes to

Texas and stuff. And, uh, no, choppers supply code. I mean, we, you know, we stopped there,

you know, a bunch of times it was, uh, you know, the gatekeeping thing. It's like, yeah,

here are all the younger people complain about it. And like, you know, it's making,

but it's, it's like, like you're saying it's not, it's just like,

don't just run in here, pick and grab and run out. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's,

well, I think sometimes people think money solves or entitles people to something, right?

And that's the opposite. That is, that is really the opposite of what a lot of

subcultures, countercultures, fringe cultures, uh, things are about. It's,

it's the opposite of the way the world works. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Oh yeah.

So you go, you know, money's going to get you a lot in life in other areas, but it's not going to,

you know, you can have all the money in the world and spend all the money on the bikes. And there's

guys, I'll take it. You know what I mean? But there's always going to be an access where it's

like, Hey man, like, I don't know if you're really going to want to be in this, this spot.

You know what I mean? And because you don't want to be in this spot,

you're never going to get why. You know, I've, I've taken dudes across the country

with me that I'm like, Hey man, this is a, this is a good dude. He's a homie. He's letting

us stay at his house. He's like, Oh, I'm just going to get a hotel. I'm like,

there's, there's something that happens in that time at that dude's house on your back patio,

meeting Bobby Goodtimes and hanging out with him that a hotel would have completely never

allowed me to have or, you know, it's called highs mentality. Okay. Highs mentality. This

before the internet shit like this, it's, it's about being in the zone, dude. You know what I'm

saying? Being like, you know, in, uh, like in the mix, in the mix, like, uh, it's hard to not.

Yeah. It's just like you found yourself on the porch talking with us. You know what I'm saying?

And, uh, yeah, you start to hear stuff and it's not only that, I can like,

not see someone for a couple of months, but if we're on the same wavelength and stuff,

when you see him, it's like, you never saw him yesterday. You know what I'm saying? And I, I

really, I, I think like before the internet man that the old, like there was like kind of like, uh,

I guess a five, so to speak, you know what I mean? And like, you might

watch MTV and just see one dude in the background with a shirt on, you know what I mean? And,

and it's like social distortion or whatever, you know? And then you're like, who's that?

Yeah. And start like going down the rabbit hole with that and stuff, you know,

but that's, that's how I like to find stuff, man. I like to like, I like to find it myself,

you know, that's like, what's swapping stuff about with the like music and records and things like

that. I don't want to buy it off Instagram, dude. I don't want to buy a motorcycle part

from some other dude who found it, who's charging me to find it. You know what I mean? And it's,

it's like so much more satisfying when you're able to put, connect the dots and come up with,

yeah, what you need, you know?

Yeah, I feel you. It's a, you know, like I said, it's, it's not that like, I don't, like what I'm

saying, I'm not trying to say like, this is the way or this is the only way or whatever. I'm just

saying like the feeling like, I remember being a part of the skate culture when I was a kid and,

and, you know, I was never, I wasn't born into the motorcycle culture. I wasn't born into the

skate culture. I feel like society pushed me into those things. And I guess because I don't know,

maybe because I did live half my life without the internet, you know, that there's a part of me

that understands like a little bit of nostalgia of what it feels like to look at a full album,

what it feels like to do, look at a magazine, a trans world or a thrasher and back thrasher

back in the day and just be like, no, like, oh, shit, they're doing that now. Not only that, man.

Reading. Yeah. All right. You know, when I was a kid, I read like every night, I got like all my

knowledge was from reading. And I remember reading books about people's lives and like

getting inspired to the point where you're changing your life, right? And like, you know,

our baking alterations are like, I can do that. And you know, and it just like, it's so weird that

like, you know, I read a couple words in a book that led me to hitchhike across the country to

California. And then I was able to find these people still like based on the book from 50 years

ago, but it was just about the culture. The culture is always going to be there and still there.

And it's always there. But like, sometimes I feel like, like, you know, we're like, there's like,

we're all tuned in to something, you know what I mean? And you remember like the whole thing?

I mean, 90s is like, we got to get to you want to be in the music movies, you had to get to LA,

right? Yeah. And there was a, there was a push there where now it's like, you can

not say it's good or bad. I'm just, I'm just making enough. You don't have to go to LA anymore.

You do not. Thank God, you know, there's many more puppies that died behind that. You know,

first time I went to California, I had all the California dreaming shit in my head. I mean,

people that live there must think it's funny as shit because you go out there and like,

how many people have gone out there? Legitimately, they can that there's a possibility I might be

discovered and put in a movie. You know what I'm saying? It's like, there's people that move out

there for that, you know, and the homeless people have definitely gotten the vibe. And like, you

know, like when I was like, you know, didn't have an apartment and living like that, like, you know,

California was the place, man, you know, like San Francisco, you could like, when I got to California,

I looked around, I was like, motherfucker, I was like, I'll fuckers live outside here, dude.

You know, like it ain't no thing, you know? Yeah, it's, it's like, I had, you know,

just some, some things don't translate to financial success, I think, you know what I'm

saying? And that's what I said earlier. It's like, I've been like, you know, just with the

T bar guys building choppers or, you know, getting away from the STs and into the FXRs and stuff.

And like I said, I think it's just like the most important thing is, you know, like having,

having the confidence to make just the smallest part, but to be able to put it on your bike.

And, you know, and, and just that, if you can do that one time, then it's going to lead to a lot

of other things. Yeah, so will. And it's like, yeah, this was made in a factory. Yeah. But I'm

pretty sure, you know, you can, you can match it up, you know, some other shit with very simple

tools, you know, and it's like, yeah, a grinder, man. Okay. And a drill and a vice, you know,

I mean, that's like, it's, I think it's, it's about, I have a lot of confidence to do it,

shit that hadn't been done so to speak, you know what I'm saying? Like, I can go with like my

light show thing, dude. It's like, there's like a national band playing and I'm like blasting

fucking, you know, colors and images and this and that. Like, you know, I had to get over stage

fright to be able to do shit like that, dude. Yeah. I mean, but, um, yeah. I just think there's

like, you know, there is a collect like before, before the internet and shit, there was just a

collective thought process and people would move from all over and converge in one area and start

a movement. You know, that's, that it happens with, with everything.

Yeah. And I feel like some people, I feel like people do that now with like,

you know, they'll start by nights and things going on. And I think there's a, there's a

percentage of them that are doing that inherently because they want to bring that culture, their

area. And then there's also people I feel like they do that completely because they want to,

like, they see as a way to get, get somewhere, be somebody or, you know, a profit, you know,

bike night, let me tell you, you're going to get sussed out pretty quick.

Lots of things happen to bike night, you know, and even it's, it's more trouble than it's worth.

I did one year for 10 years and, uh, oh, there's more violence than bike night than anything,

you know? So good luck with that. Yeah. Yeah. But like you're saying, uh, no, look,

like, I don't give a fuck who you are. If you don't have it going on in your hometown,

do you really got it going on? You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, and it, it's,

you know, it is, it is about like providing, you know, a place and a vibe and a fucking lane

for your homies. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes if you just say, Hey, you got your homies and

you start going to, it's not a bike night, but it's, Hey, it's where we hang out on Tuesday.

And then it turns into, Hey, see if homeboy was coming out here right with us.

That's even more fun, man, because it's outside the traditional 50 year old bike night model.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And, uh, I moved my stuff, like I always had it at the dive bars

because, you know, I thought people weren't treat cheap beer, the stat. Yeah. It seems I moved it

to like more bougie hipster shit. It's like just blew off even. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to mean

because like, where do you want to take people? You know, on a journey where if you fucking

take the wrong steps, you're going to get punched in the face, or do you want to take

it somewhere? Everything get a nice taco and some beer and chill out. Yeah.

Worry about their personal welfare. Yeah. Yeah. And that's where trust comes in. And yeah,

I think both have a, have a place. I mean, we, we don't have as many bars that are divey down

in Texas as like, obviously the, we got stuff to choose from here, but, you know, but we have

some that have the chill vibes that we want that because we don't want to be, we want the bar to

want us there. So we want the patron, like the, the vibe at the bar to not be like, oh, you're

getting in the way of the, the college crowd or the, or the fucking, you know, the, the people

that do their hair and shit, you know what I'm saying? Dudes that do their hair. So it's like,

you don't want to, you don't want to infringe them. We just want to be at a place where people

come in and they get beers, kind of divey, but kind of like just more chill vibes. The music's

loud enough to hear, but not loud enough that we can't have a conversation across the bar. You

know what I'm saying? Yeah. Finding the right spot is everything. And it goes back to, you know,

full tilt where the spot we have now, and it's just like, I mean, whole, whole different show,

man. I'm saying, and it was like, it was so satisfying to finally get, yeah, just to the point

where people hang it all weekend. I went from six, six hours to, you know, 38 hours.

Some good shit. Yeah. Well, shit, man. I'm, I know we, it's early in the morning for us fried.

Yeah. Me too. I've been on the road and you just flew in and barely woke up. And I just really

wanted to see you on this trip. And, you know, it made it to where we could kind of hang out a

I'm going to come back up here through. I don't know what I'm gonna mama tried. I'm definitely

going to be a mama tried. And I'd, it's too, it's too far away to say exactly how I'm doing it.

But I do want to come back through here. Because I want to get, I want to do a podcast with Donny

Smith, just the OG hamster dude and that kind of stuff, just to kind of, you know, be in that spot.

But also like, I think I'm going to do a big loop through Michigan, the next one they come across

the lake or around, I still got to deal with Bobby, you know, Bobby's been completely,

completely like saying he's down whenever. But like, I haven't, I haven't been back to Chicago

since, since I left your spot. And I just went right through it. You know what I mean? Well,

so with him, they're, they're right on the outskirt of like the west side. So it's like, it's kind

of interesting. Like you like a hundred shootings in a weekend in Chicago. That's what I heard.

I'm not seeing any of that shit. I heard the west side was like a real rough side. So

yeah, I mean, it's like, it's got it's spots, but it's, it's a lot safer than people.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And being with somebody that's from there is fine. Like it,

or they got like the oblock projects where like all the drill music came out of and shit. Yeah.

Those dudes, it's the rap culture is funny because it's like with rock and roll, like

to be a real rock and roller, you had to like really live that life. And, you know, like, you

know, maybe you're shooting heroin or like, you know, or your girlfriend's a prostitute or

something like, you know, these rock and roll or blues musicians and stuff. And like the rap

dudes, man, they're like keeping it real. It's like fucking killing someone before they even put

out a mixtape. You know what I'm saying? Put it out. Like, it's like, God damn, that's like,

it's always like, like punk rock in a way. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. 100%. Yeah. But yeah,

I appreciate it, man. Thanks for everything. You know, checking in with me, keeping me educated

on a lot of things and, you know, helping me. I mean, you've helped me a lot with just getting

certain people on the podcast and stuff. So I really appreciate it. Yeah, dude, I'm sure.

You know, cool. All right, bud. All right, bud. Yep.

Guys, I hope you enjoyed that. And I want to thank Zach again for meeting me early in the morning

to knock this podcast out. Looking forward to seeing him at Mama Tried this year. Hopefully

I'll see you guys out at Mama Tried. It's literally one of my favorite shows to go to every year.

We'll see you there. It's the end of February. Don't know the exact dates, but you know,

it's there. Check it out. Oh man, we're wrapping up this year. It's getting close. I got a lot of

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Zac Doom Of Heavy Clothing #445

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