The Scene Vault Podcast
Rick Houston
Updated about 13 hours agoAt The Scene Vault Podcast, we're all about NASCAR history, all the time. Our interview guests shed new light on their lives and careers each and every week, and hosts Rick Houston and Steve Waid draw on their long careers in and around the sport to provide expert analysis and commentary. New episodes drop every Wednesday at 6 a.m. Eastern.
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Episodes (436)
Episode 366 -- Steve Grissom on Ignoring SEC Football Scholarship Offers to Go Racing
This week, in the first of what will be two installments, we talk to Steve Grissom about ignoring SEC football scholarships in order to go racing, a road that eventually led him to winning races … and a championship … in the Busch Series. In our second segment, we’re going to dig into the October 25, 1990 issue of Winston Cup Scene AGAIN. Alan Kulwicki wins the second race of his Winston Cup career at Rockingham after Kyle Petty’s engine doesn’t fare nearly as well as it had that spring at the track. Steve Grissom passes Mark Martin to score the win in Rockingham’s Busch Series race that weekend. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 365 -- David Lovendahl on the Devastating Loss of Two Sons and the Hendrick Plane Crash
Hear from veteran NASCAR insider David Lovendahl on the profound loss of his two sons in tragic accidents, sharing raw insights on grief, resilience and life beyond the track. Expect emotional depth, behind-the-scenes NASCAR anecdotes, and reflections on the sport's toughest moments. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 364 -- David Lovendahl on the Rough-and-Tumble Times of Mark and Julian Martin
This week, listeners are just gonna have to hear the first of our two-part interview with David Lovendahl to believe it. David was there as Mark Martin was first learning how to drive a race … he was there when Mark first went Winston Cup racing and when that all fell apart. Plus … let’s just say that he’s got some stories about Julian Martin, Mark’s dad. We then dig into the September 17, 1981 issue of Grand National Scene Benny Parsons wins on a terribly hot and humid day at Richmond, after pole-sitter Mark Martin has trouble getting his car started as the field rolls off pit road to start the race. Finally … it’s one of those days where folks just can’t seem to get along and play nice on the race track. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 363 -- In Memory of Steve Bird and Bill Davis
We honor the memories of Steve Bird, the most successful crew chief in the history of the NASCAR Busch Series, and 2002 Daytona 500 winning team owner Bill Davis in this heartfelt episode. In a no-holds-barred interview conducted last year, "Birdie" shared his memories of his time with Race Hill Farms, Rob Moroso and BACE Motorsports drivers Jack Sprague, Johnny Benson and Randy LaJoie. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 362 -- Randy LaJoie on Being Diagnosed with Prostate Cancer
Two-time Busch Series champion Randy LaJoie was diagnosed with prostate cancer in July, and he agreed to sit down with host Rick Houston last week to tell his story. Following the interview with Randy, Rick and co-host Steve Waid respond with some thoughts of their own and then close the episode with a conversation with Deb Williams, former editor of Winston Cup Scene and the recently announced 2026 recipient of the Squier-Hall Award for NASCAR Media Excellence. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 361 -- Derrike Cope on the Fluke Label and His Car's Infamous Watkins Glen Explosion
This week in the third and final installment of our interview, Derrike Cope talks about his relationship … or lack thereof … with Dale Earnhardt and talk that his win in the 1990 Daytona 500 was nothing more than a fluke. We then tackle the June 7, 1990 issue of Winston Cup Scene. Derrike Cope wins at Dover ... and nobody has anything snarky to say about this one. Larry Pearson’s fledgling Winston Cup career takes a massive hit when the team owned by his dad, the legendary David Pearson, is forced to shut down due to the lack of a sponsor. Finally, Joe Whitlock has his say about the state of journalism. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 360 -- Derrike Cope on Dale Earnhardt and the 1990 Daytona 500
First up is our conversation with Derrike Cope about his win in the iconic 1990 Daytona 500. We’ll then rearrange this episode a little bit from our normal format. We’re going to go through the February 22, 1990 issue of Winston Cup Scene … and Al Kinney’s archive … first and THEN add several perspectives that we’ve gathered over the years here on The Scene Vault Podcast about the 1990 Daytona 500 from Buddy Parrott … Joe Dan Bailey … and Kirk Shelmerdine. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 359 -- Derrike Cope on How a Random Interview Changed the Course of His Career
This week in the first of what will be three installments with Derrike Cope, he talks about his baseball career, the injury that ended that dream … but began another … and how THAT journey was given a huge boost by a good first impression. We then take a look inside the May 1, 1986 issue of Grand National Scene, which carries coverage of Ricky Rudd outlasting Dale Earnhardt, Geoff Bodine, Joe Ruttman and BUDDY ARRINGTON to win at Martinsville. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 358 -- How the Darrell Waltrip-Waddell Wilson-Rick Hendrick Dream Team Stumbled Out of the Block
How did the Darrell Waltrip-Waddell Wilson-Hendrick Motorsports Dream Team falter out of the gate in 1987? We answer that question in this special episode. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 357 -- Jerry Nadeau on His Career-Ending Accident and Purpose in Life
This week in the second and final installment of our interview, Jerry Nadeau talks about the accident that ended his career and his struggle to find peace and contentment in the years since. We then dig into the May 8, 2003 issue of Winston Cup Scene. Joe Nemechek’s Winston Cup victory at Richmond is overshadowed by Jerry Nadeau’s career-ending accident. Some … including Jeff Burton … are left wondering why SAFER barriers have yet to be installed at the track. Jeff Green and Steve Park have weekends to forget and wind up trading rides the following week. Darrell Waltrip has a story to tell about one of the most controversial incidents of his career while Jimmy Spencer tries to barbeque his brother. Finally … Tony Liberati is fighting for everything he’s worth to keep his race team intact. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 356 -- In Memory of NASCAR Hall of Famer Rex White
This week's episode is dedicated to the memory of NASCAR Hall of Famer Rex White, who died July 18. First, we've got a candid interview with Rex and his longtime friend, Donald Johnson, who served as Rex's crew for a year back in the 1950s. Then, we get some perspective on Rex's life and career from Rick Minter, the former Atlanta Journal-Constitution reporter who was responsible for bringing Rex back into the public eye. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 355 -- Jerry Nadeau on Racing in Russia, Winning with Hendrick Motorsports
Jerry Nadeau goes from racing in Russia on ice while fighting off a SEVERE case of food poisoning to spotting for Morgan Shepherd and trying to make a go of it with Melling Racing to victory lane with Hendrick Motorsports. We then tackle the November 23, 2000 issue of Winston Cup Scene. Jerry Nadeau dominates at Atlanta, but it’s a late-race caution that gets him back into position to regain the top spot and score the first Winston Cup victory of his career. It’s Darrell Waltrip’s last race and former foes Rusty Wallace and Dale Earnhardt give him some going-away gifts. UPS signs a big-bucks and ugly car deal with Dale Jarrett and Robert Yates Racing, while Kevin Lepage and Jack Roush miss out on a deal with THE all-time home run king … Hank Aaron. Finally, there’s a masterpiece of a column by a certain Winston Cup Scene writer about one of the most memorable moments of his career. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 354 -- Mending Fences with Joe Gibbs Racing's Chris (Spider) Gillin
This week, Joe Gibbs Racing's Chris “Spider” Gillin and host Rick Houston make peace over a LONG-ago column on Tony Stewart. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 353 -- Jason Keller Turns the Tables on Host Rick Houston and Interviews HIM!
After being interviewed by Rick Houston countless times over the years, Busch Series legend Jason Keller decided to turn the tables and get Rick on the record. This episode is the result! NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 352 -- S.O.G.O.A.Ts (Sons of the Greatest of all Time) Kyle Petty and Larry Pearson
Our focus this week is on two men who grew up watching their dads race … and then took up the sport themselves as drivers… Kyle Petty and Larry Pearson. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 351 -- The OTHER Rivalries of Richard Petty and David Pearson
This week, we’re going to share stories of run-ins that Richard Petty and David Pearson had with OTHER drivers, including Ned Jarrett, Bobby Allison and Tim Richmond. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 350 -- A Conversation with The Silver Fox ... David Pearson
This week, we share an extraordinary conversation with David Pearson recorded in 2009, and then, we'll remember a conversation between hosts Rick Houston and Steve Waid and the late, great South Carolina motorsports journalist Jim McLaurin and none other than Leonard Wood that was recorded not long after David died in November 2018. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 349 -- The King ... Richard Petty
This week, we focus on The King ... Richard Petty! We’re sharing our Richard Petty interview and then NOT discussing it. What could WE say about Richard Petty that hasn’t already been said a million time? Instead, we’re going to share some of the stories ABOUT Richard from some of our past interview guests that aren’t quite as common as so many of the accolades he receives. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 348 -- The 1-2 Finishes of NASCAR Icons Richard Petty and David Pearson
This week's show begins with a brief celebration of accomplishing a major task in the life of The Scene Vault project. In our first segment, hosts Rick Houston and Steve Waid take a look at the numbers of the Petty-Pearson … SLASH … Pearson/Petty conflict … courtesy of NASCAR Reddit. Then … talk about digitization … we’ve got A TON of clips from races in which these two legends finished in the top-two spots. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 347 -- Petty vs Pearson Available Now From Barnes & Noble
Petty vs. Pearson: The Rivalry That Shaped NASCAR is an absolutely spellbinding account of the thirty-year relationship between Richard Petty and David Pearson. It was authored by seven-time National Motorsports Press Association writer of the year and former NASCAR Scene staffer Mike Hembree. In Petty vs. Pearson, Mike chronicles a (mostly) friendly rivalry between Richard and David, who met in 551 races and finished one-two an astounding 63 times You can pick up Petty vs. Pearson TODAY at Barnes and Noble and online at BarnesandNoble.com. It’ll be a fantastic addition to your NASCAR library. And … just for the record … this podcast is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 346 -- Greg Zipadelli on Tony Stewart Driving Angry and the Stewart-Haas Racing Shutdown
In the second and final installment of our interview, Greg Zipadelli talks about Tony Stewart’s success when driving angry, his eventual move to Stewart-Haas Racing to oversee operations, the disappointing end of that deal and what he’s doing now. We then take a look at the June 14, 2007 issue of NASCAR Scene. Jeff Gordon wins a rain-shortened race at Pocono, and there’s also a ton of reaction to Bill France Jr’s recent passing and a confrontation the week before between Tony Stewart and Kurt Busch. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 345 -- Greg Zipadelli on Modified Roots and Going to Work with Joe Gibbs Racing and Tony Stewart
In the first of what will be TWO installments, Greg Zipadelli joins us to talk about his racing roots in Modifieds, his move south to go to work for Roush Racing and driver Jeff Burton due to a breakfast that WASN’T, a dinner that WAS and an awkward phone call. He then takes us through getting started, winning races and then championships with Tony Stewart. We then take a DEEP dive into the May 25, 2000 issue of Winston Cup Scene. Hosts Rick Houston and Steve Waid are joined by former Scene executive editor Jeff Owens to discuss one of the most controversial feature stories ever published in the paper … Jeff's piece on Tony Stewart NOT enjoying himself while racing in the glare of the Winston Cup spotlight. Then ... even as Dale Earnhardt Jr wins The Winston all-star race at Charlotte and a bridge collapses after the event, the NASCAR community is reeling from the loss of Adam Petty the week before. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 344 -- EPIC Busch Series Winners Roundtable with NASCAR Hall of Fame Nominee Randy LaJoie, Jason Keller and Tim Fedewa
Our roundtable discussions are always wildly popular, so it's intimidating to try to come up with a group conversation that lives up to the billing. This time around , we scored another blockbuster session with late 1990s and early 2000s Busch Series stalwarts Randy LaJoie, Tim Fedewa and Jason Keller. They discuss everything from their early careers to Winston Cup regulars invading the Busch Series and how Dale Earnhardt Jr. changed the division forever. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 343 -- Frank Stoddard on His Roush Racing Replacement, Plus a Few Kurt Busch Stories
In the third and final installment of our interview, Frank Stoddard gives us even more on his split with Jeff Burton and Roush Racing, but adds that his issues were NOT with team owner Jack Roush. And … just for the heck of it … we get a Kurt Busch story or two … or three or four. We then take a look into the September 12, 2002 issue of Winston Cup Scene. Matt Kenseth wins at Richmond, but most of the sport’s focus is on the first anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Tony Stewart is accused of getting into another scrape, while MONGO and his wife are on their way to China to pick up their new daughter. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode 342 -- Frank Stoddard on Being Replaced as Jeff Burton's Roush Racing Crew Chief
In the second installment of our interview, Frank Stoddard gives us an unfiltered, no-holds-barred, take-no-prisoners, damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead, INSIDE look at how his time as Jeff Burton’s Roush Racing crew chief came to an inglorious end. We then take a look inside the March 7, 1996 issue of Winston Cup Scene. Jeff Gordon wins on a COLD weekend in Richmond, while Jack Roush isn’t satisfied with his organization’s results … and just wait until you hear WHERE his teams’ drivers finished. It’s SO cold … heck freezes over and NASCAR doesn’t penalize three of the top-five finishers. AND … there’s SOME reaction to an incident the previous week between Dale Earnhardt and Bobby Hamilton at Rockingham. NOTE: This show is not associated in any way with American City Business Journals, owner of the Scene brand. Be sure to check out the latest and greatest stories from the world of NASCAR at dailydownforce.com! Interested in The Scene Vault Podcast T-shirts? Check out thescenevault.com and click on SHOP to see what we have available! Please consider supporting this show via: patreon.com/thescenevaultpodcast paypal.me/thescenevaultpodcast venmo.com/thescenevaultpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices