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Over on YouTube, you've probably seen a lot of super cool car collections.
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I mean, YouTube is filled with amazing rides with amazing content creators.
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But did you know that each and every single video they make costs thousands?
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I mean, thousands and thousands of dollars to make each single video they produce for their channel.
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Now, that adds up real fast.
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I guess the real question is, if you spend that much money on a YouTube video, is it worth it?
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Is it worth it to them?
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Does it actually bring in the eyeballs to your channel?
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Well, maybe, maybe not.
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We're going to find out all that and more on this episode.
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Okay. I got the legend himself.
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Mr. Big YouTube Courage on the line.
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How are you doing today, buddy?
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Hey, I'm doing well.
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Given that we're going to be talking about big YouTubers,
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I don't think I can wear that hat today.
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But I guess I'm in that crowd, so I'll take it.
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You know, you've been doing YouTube for a little while,
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and then you've done YouTube with other things and other projects.
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And when you create a video on YouTube, you have to think about all the structure,
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all the things, paint it all out, I guess, or draw it all out and figure it all out
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I know that you've done a lot more on shorts versus long form type stuff.
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Do you find one easier or about the same to do?
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Or what do you like better, you know, going back and forth?
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Yeah, it's a bit of a mixture.
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Like I definitely am fighting for the long form content because I just know that that's
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one that's just, I enjoy making that more because you just,
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you have the ability to really like tell a story and you have the time to tell a story.
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And to be totally honest, like I just, I really get frustrated with like filming things in portrait mode.
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It's my biggest thing because obviously with shorts and Instagram reels,
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like, you know, your videos have to be in that nine by 16.
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Yeah, but you can crop it that way.
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I've done that too.
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I did a video test run yesterday with my camera in the studio here,
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and I was going to clip it and make something for Instagram.
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And I thought, like, well, maybe if I can edit this in my photos or whatever on my phone,
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and I was able to crop it into that long, you know, length phone version style.
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And it'll get okay. I think it does. Okay.
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You know, so you can crop things and edit things for, you know, social media clips.
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Yeah. No, there's definitely ways to make it work.
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And yeah, I've had a few clips where, you know, I've maybe shot it as a long form
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and I'll go back and go back and reframe it for more like a real or short.
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But I definitely, I like both.
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I think they really do both have their place.
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I tend to now like, I actually just recently put out a short, just a small plug on just a car
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company that I feel like people just have forgotten about this company Vector from like the 90s,
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early 2000s, and just came, you know, researched some cool facts and pulled it together.
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And it actually is doing pretty well.
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Like it's one of my shorts in a while where like the overall engagement has been really strong.
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And it was just, you know, it's cool to kind of, you know,
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get back to maybe something that I was doing before and actually see some,
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you know, see some fruition from that.
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But I still am, you know, toying with, you know, now,
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how do I want to structure the channel where I do want to continue to do long form?
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Like I want to continue to come up with ideas that allow me to make a longer form video.
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Well, we see long form on YouTube.
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What is like a time limit for like a long form?
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What would you consider like a long form video?
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Basically it's anything over.
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I think the YouTube actually considers anything over four minutes.
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I think it's a long form video.
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So, I mean, you could make, yeah, like, you know, technically,
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if you made just a four, because the limit on shorts is three minutes.
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You used to be one minute, I thought, or it was one and a half.
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Yeah. They extended it a few years ago.
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But yeah, you're right.
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Before it was, it was a minute and that was, you know,
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you figured out how to get whatever point across you.
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You wanted to get across in a minute, but now it's three minutes.
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But yeah, anything longer than that is considered a long form video.
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Really for, you know, three minutes and beyond.
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So, I mean, we're talking three minutes.
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We got people now that do like, you know, 30, 40 hour long videos now,
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you know, all of those get clumped into that long form
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type video style now at this point in YouTube's mind.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, I love watching some YouTube,
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although I have not watched as much YouTube.
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Honestly, I haven't watched as much YouTube as I did a while ago.
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And I think a lot of people, generally speaking,
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probably haven't watched as much as they did, like say during the pandemic.
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When a lot of people were locked up during lockdown and what do you do?
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You watch Netflix, you watch whatever's on TV,
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watch the same movies you've seen years ago
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because they were not making new movies.
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And then you watch tons of YouTube content
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because you're sitting home, sitting there,
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physically in front of a screen, doing your Zoom calls for work
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or school or whatever you're doing.
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And then you just sit there and watch whatever YouTuber is doing
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great, wonderful YouTube stuff.
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But unfortunately for a lot of those guys,
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if they were like car related content,
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there's only so much stuff you can do as a car content creator.
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I guess if you're like in the multitude of like very well off,
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very, very wealthy where you can buy Lamborghinis,
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Ferrari's, Corvettes and just, you know,
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flip them, trade them, work on them, showcase that stuff.
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Or perhaps maybe even like a big, like a big media company
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that has a big YouTube channel that covers the kind of same stuff.
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Yeah. It's an interesting space.
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I definitely have some go-to YouTubers that I watch.
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I really enjoy their content.
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I feel like they find ways to really tell stories
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with their content that almost sort of transcends
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the car industry itself.
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I really love history of car companies
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and learning about things about either certain cars
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or that company that really defined maybe like an era of cars
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or like a genre of cars.
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And so there's some YouTubers that I feel like
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really have carved out a niche of bringing something to the table
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that's not just maybe the generic,
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I bought a supercar and I'm like modding the supercar.
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I'm taking it to these events.
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They found a way to really sort of transcend that a bit,
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but it's costly to figure out what really works.
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And if the algorithm changes or people's interest level changes,
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if you're not able to roll with those punches,
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like I think we were talking about previously,
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you have to be able to adapt or else you're gonna find yourself
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in a situation where you're just sticking to something like,
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oh, this is gonna work forever.
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It just doesn't. We've seen that multiple times.
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Especially as a content creator,
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whether you're doing content for cars or content for anything,
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really, I guess it kind of depends on getting new people
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interested in your content and what makes people
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interested in your content and what makes your content
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greater or better than somebody else's content.
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And I think in the car space,
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when it comes to cool cars and cars on YouTube
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car content creators,
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a lot of my found are either the average people
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that are like wrenching on their cars in their garage
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and showing you like modifications they've done.
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And it seems a little more like grassroots,
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a little more like in the garage with a buddy kind of a thing
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And then he got the exact opposite,
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which is like these multimillion-dollar collections
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of these like, you know, rich YouTubers
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that are taking their Ferrari out,
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their Lamborghini out,
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they're going to the dealership,
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talking about trading cars and looking at cars
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and they're going to car auctions
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and they're going raceways.
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And they got these like big production companies
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that are making these YouTube videos
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that are very, very well produced.
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They are literally the cost to make one of those YouTube videos
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has got to be maybe $100,000 per video to make that,
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just to create the video.
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You got multiple cameras.
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You got, you know, I mean,
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lots of people that are paid on the payroll
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that are there, multiple locations,
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and some multiple vehicles you're using,
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you know, paying for the vehicles,
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maintenance of the vehicles,
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buying the vehicles, even renting the vehicles.
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You know, you have all these moving parts
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that it's literally like a movie production
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every single video.
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So you have to have a solid return on your investment.
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And what the funny thing is,
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is that the guy who's doing the little shop in his garage,
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you know, working on his old like VW bug or whatever,
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he might get just the same amount of eyeballs
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on his videos as the mega shows do.
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But the mega shows cost way more to produce.
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So they're probably, yeah,
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they're probably hurting in the long run.
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If the views go down, the algorithm changes,
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something happens, then what do they do?
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No, I think you're really hitting the nail on the head there
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because I mean, if you're looking at this really,
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you know, because people do look at YouTube as a business.
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Like it's an opportunity, you know,
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if you're taking it seriously and you're willing
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to get to the requirements of doing so
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with like YouTube's algorithm and everything,
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like if you're looking at this as a way
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to generate some type of income, whether big or small,
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like you kind of have to look at it like a business.
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And ROI is obviously one of the biggest parts of a business
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is, you know, what's my return on investment
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for when I'm investing in the product
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that I'm bringing to the market,
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you know, obviously of video and content
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and things you're bringing to the YouTube platform
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and you're looking for some kind of monetary benefit from that.
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Even if it's something you really enjoy,
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you got a passion for, like the reason
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why you're really building out the videos
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because you want to bring that to people
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that are probably going to enjoy it.
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And yeah, what you said about, you know,
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people that are kind of doing this,
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they have more of that grassroots mentality
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to, you know, creating content,
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they have that ability to max out their ROI with,
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you know, again, it's just them filming,
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like maybe they have a few different cameras,
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but, you know, they're not going crazy
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with a whole production team and editors
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and things like that, writers and all of those kinds of things
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versus, you know, I think there was a wave of,
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you know, maybe more corporate entities
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seeing just the growth that some of these channels
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were having and saying, oh yeah, we can create this,
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you know, and, you know, we got the resources
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to create, you know, to fund it
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and have all of these production teams
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and things like that.
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Let's pump money into this and create this,
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you know, grandiose content that, you know,
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on the surface, like, I mean, you would think,
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like just put more quality and production into it
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and it'll make it awesome.
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But at the end of the day,
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I think we really started to see that, like,
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you know, those channels started to just blend
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right into the grassroots channels.
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And like for like, one, does it make sense
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when, yeah, you spend $100,000 on a video
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and get X amount of views?
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Whereas like the other guy down the street
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that's just got a couple of cameras
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and filming something in his garage
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can do the same view count
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and didn't spend anywhere near that.
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I think you just got to-
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Yeah, but on that same note though,
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like the bigger budget companies
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have the bigger marketing teams behind it
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where the smaller guy, like you, me,
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we don't have a big marketing team
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so we can't spend, you know,
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an additional $100,000 on marketing
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because a lot of those bigger YouTube channels,
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I know they got to be pushing marketing somewhere,
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ads and stuff everywhere.
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Doesn't YouTube allow you to buy ads for your channel?
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You can do that, right?
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Have you ever thought about doing that
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or how does it work?
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I looked into it because when I was getting,
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you know, really getting serious about it,
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I do actually use a course that, you know,
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sort of gives you the ability to kind of look through,
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you know, do title analysis
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and different things like that.
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But I looked into it, but I really have, you know,
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tried to do both sides of things.
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The positives of doing that, which, you know,
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are obviously you get more views
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or, you know, you drive more traffic,
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but I've saw a lot of negatives on the side of,
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you know, it's because it's inflating
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really the numbers and it's technically artificial.
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I've seen that work against a lot of channels
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as I've done more research on it.
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And so it's, it's not something I've done yet.
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And really as I've started to research it more,
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it's I'm leaning towards not really doing that
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because it seems like in the long run, if, you know,
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without creating that general,
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general organic, you know, traffic to your channel,
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anything that's pumped in and inflated
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is really short-lived.
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And it doesn't really bolster
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the overall growth of the channel.
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But that's just my opinion.
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Yeah, but you also have to have like that sticky factor.
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I mean, getting people to press play
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Getting them to press play twice, that's a little difficult.
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Getting them to subscribe way difficult.
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And so even if someone's subscribed to your channel,
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I've noticed this too, there's plenty of channels
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I subscribe to in car related shows.
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And if the algorithm is kind of a one and done.
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If the algorithm isn't seeing me like watch that type of content,
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it's only going to feed me content.
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It sees me interested in or watching in the moment.
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And that's the thing with these algorithms.
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They kind of change around.
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So a lot of these shows, all these YouTube channels
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are constantly pivoting,
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trying to find ways to get people interested in their content.
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And like I said, one way is they could probably dump more money into production,
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dump more money into crazier cars, crazier stunts, crazier stuff.
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I mean, look at Mr. Beast videos where we're crushing a Lamborghini
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or we're giving Lamborghinis away or whatever a crazy stunt is.
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And that's kind of how I think in the car space,
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it was what people don't really think about is that
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if you were a content creator in the car space,
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especially on YouTube, is that when you're filming content,
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what kind of content is that?
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And can you like easily recreate that content week after week,
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video after video easily?
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And if you're doing like, oh, we're buying a new Ferrari this week,
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or we're going to take our Ferrari to this track,
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or we're going to be racing this,
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or we're going, if it's a lot of production, a lot of stuff,
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that's a lot of money, man.
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Each video could cost like $100,000.
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They'd be more than that.
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I don't know, but it's very expensive.
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And to try to do that week after week for SL Indie creators,
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We can't keep up with that.
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We can't try to compete with that kind of stuff.
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So I'd say like, why try to compete with that kind of
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production level as an Indie creator,
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I think we find your own way and do what works best for you,
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what you can control.
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Yeah, I think that's it.
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There maybe are some things that you can pull and take away
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and try them out on your channel to see how that drives growth.
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But in terms of thinking like, oh, that recipe of just
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keep going bigger, keep going bigger.
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I think people are knowing now that that really just isn't,
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that isn't the way.
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Unless you just really have the expendable income to do it.
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Or maybe like a big name too.
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Cause I think that like, say Jay Leno's garage or whatever,
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you know, he's got a big name celebrity kind of stuff.
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It pulls in celebrities and a lot of these YouTubers,
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a lot of these even podcasters and stuff too,
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that have big names on their show and they have big celebrities
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that come in and it's all shot and camera.
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It looks great and everything.
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I like great stuff.
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But just because you make this wonderful like piece of content
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that looks great and everything and all that great stuff,
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doesn't mean that anyone's going to listen to it or watch it.
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There's no guarantee anyone's going to like it.
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Doesn't guarantee you that stuff.
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You know, it's like people in the, you know, film industry.
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When you create a movie, like a real movie,
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you spend, you know, $200 million to create even like an average movie.
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I mean, there's no guarantee it's going to make anything back.
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It can be told a lot.
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Flops happen all the time.
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It's probably very, very risky.
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So many examples of, yeah.
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So many examples of, you know, we hired all the right cast,
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all the right everything and then that movie flopped.
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One example I keep hearing about is the,
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the Lone Ranger movie that came out with Johnny Depp.
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Did you see that movie?
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I saw in the theater, it was kind of,
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it has a good action in the beginning,
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slow in the middle and good action at the very end.
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That's basically what the movie is.
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And so it did not that great.
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It was, it was basically considered a flop really,
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but they spent a ton of money on the movie.
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And one thing I keep hearing about with that particular movie
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was that Disney said, well, maybe nobody really knows about the movie.
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It's not the movie.
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It's, the movie is great according to them.
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It's a great piece of great movie.
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Maybe the problem is nobody knows about it.
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So let's dump more money into marketing.
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So they dumped more money into marketing and it's basically still flopped.
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So they didn't create the problem,
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which was making a good movie in the first place.
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They decided to dump more money into it,
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more money into it, more money production,
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more money and that kind of stuff,
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paid Johnny Depp a ton of money, that kind of stuff.
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And so, but I thought I was okay.
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I took the kids to see it, you know, and they're real little, of course,
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but you know, I mean, sometimes when you think about like your content,
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whether it's a YouTube channel or even Instagram page or something,
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you think like, oh, just dump more, more money into the content,
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more money into the cars, more money into the builds,
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more money into the cameras and the angles
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and all the, all the crazy special effects and crazy transitions.
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I don't know how well today, if that really makes a difference,
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as far as like people really like connecting to your content, you know, like,
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like when I see, when I was just watching some of those, like,
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I guess big time YouTubers have always car collection
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and they're talking about their different crazy cars
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and different things that I could never relate to.
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Like things that I will never do.
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I'll never drive Ferrari down the road or whatever.
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Like I'll never do that stuff.
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So it didn't feel very relatable to me.
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So the car content that I used to watch a lot on YouTube
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was stuff that I could relate to.
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Oh, they got a 370Z, I have a 370Z.
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Oh, they're doing that on the Z.
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I can do that on my Z, that kind of stuff.
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That's what was the channels that I like to watch
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and the channels that I like gravitated towards.
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Yeah, no, I, relatability is, is at the end of the day
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is I think the word that we, we have to do,
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we as, as any kind of creator that you strive for is like
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to make something that's relatable.
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And the, the tricky thing is like, you know,
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you really have to ask yourself relatable to who, you know,
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if you never really know really where your content lands,
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like, you know, you never really know who gravitates to,
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you know, maybe you'd like your example,
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maybe in your, you know, in that specific space,
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like obviously if, you know, somebody does content on a car
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that somebody has, like that group of folks
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that are in that realm are probably more likely
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to be the who in that situation.
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But, but relatability is what I'm really seeing
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is, is kind of the ticket to really start
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to really get engagement with your content.
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For me personally, like I, and I think we talked about this too,
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is, you know, I, I, I definitely have noticed that,
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you know, anything that gets people to, you know,
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ask a question, answers a question for them or, or again,
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just again, the relatability factor,
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like I've been through that experience before,
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something of that sort.
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I feel like is really the content that starts
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to really grab eyes and, and get people to really engage with.
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But it's, it's, it's really just, unfortunately,
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the biggest thing is just the time and effort
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that it takes to really start to, to, to find,
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like where, where do you relate to people in a way
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that you can then duplicate over and over again?
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I think if, you know, really for my, you know,
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just this couple of years of this journey,
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you know, doing content, like the two things
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that I think are like what, what I strive for with content is,
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is, you know, duplication and relatability.
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Like how do you find like the perfect intersection
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of those two things?
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And when you do find it, how do you, how do you hold on to that?
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While also keeping your eyes on the swivel to know,
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like, should I adapt in a certain way?
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Do I need to maybe slightly, slightly pivot
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in a different direction if things are changing?
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But you're always still searching for those two intersections
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of relatability and, and duplication.
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Yeah, I'd have to agree.
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And that's why I think that when you're trying to do a YouTube
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channel where you are constantly taking, you know,
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these very expensive cars out for repairs or maintenance
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or drives or whatever it is.
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And if you're trying to keep up with that every single week
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or whatever you do videos, it can get very expensive.
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Just the, just the payments alone and the insurance costs
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alone, not to mention any kind of video production stuff.
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I'm talking just the actual car itself costs money.
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And if you have multiple cars like this,
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and if you're taking them out on multiple things,
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that's why I saw a lot of car, car YouTubers
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kind of go into that, like a collective video,
22:15
like review route, you know, like Doug is a good one.
22:18
There's a few other ones out there that do that.
22:21
They get press kits. I don't know how this happens,
22:23
but they actually get a press kit where they actually get to go to,
22:26
you know, a, I guess a press thing of whatever new cars
22:29
getting coming, coming out or whatever, by whatever company.
22:32
And they get to do their whole review, their GoPros,
22:35
their stuff. They get to do all the video stuff of that car
22:38
for the day, do their whole review, their whole video.
22:40
But I noticed that they don't release them until they're told
22:43
they're allowed to release them.
22:45
There's a big, you know, the embargo concept is real.
22:48
I know that like when the new Bronco came out,
22:51
we heard about the new Bronco coming out for years
22:53
and the day he actually got released by Ford,
22:56
all the YouTube videos dropped that same day.
22:58
I noticed all their viewers dropped all their videos
23:01
on them the same day.
23:02
So they went somewhere in secret and got to see them all
23:05
and do their little video about it and stuff.
23:07
And then the second that Ford says,
23:09
says it's okay to talk about it,
23:10
then they all dropped their videos at the same day.
23:13
So, you know, I mean, even that like takes money
23:16
to travel to wherever that event is being held at.
23:21
Doug's talked about that a lot.
23:23
Because yeah, that embargo deal is pretty real
23:26
and still pretty common with a lot of different reviews.
23:29
They, you know, will sort of do it differently now where,
23:32
I mean, even if they don't film them all in the same location,
23:36
it's still like if it's a car, you know, an upcoming car
23:39
that, you know, that company wants to, you know,
23:42
kind of set a press date where people are allowed
23:45
to drop their videos, it doesn't really matter.
23:47
Usually they're still going to provide them the car at some point,
23:50
but it doesn't really matter if all of those were filmed
23:53
on the same day or in the same location.
23:55
But they do have strict, you know, requirements
23:59
that you can't talk about certain aspects of the car
24:04
or you can't release videos on the car
24:07
until that embargo date hits.
24:09
And, you know, that's a lot of legal around that.
24:13
So, you know, people were really tight lipped
24:15
when they, especially when it's a hot car on the market
24:18
about, you know, I can't say, I can say maybe
24:21
that I've had the experience of, you know, checking out this car
24:25
and like, you can maybe say little things and that,
24:27
but they're really, I think the real big thing
24:29
they're really hesitant on is like sharing opinions,
24:32
because sharing an opinion ahead of an embargo,
24:35
I've, you know, I've heard of people getting
24:36
in pretty big legal trouble around that.
24:39
And that's usually when they really make themselves.
24:41
Not just cars, it could be like, you know,
24:45
Tech reviews, okay. Yeah.
24:46
Like the latest, whatever computer and stuff like that
24:49
and later whatever gadget and stuff like that.
24:51
So, I mean, I get it.
24:53
It's all the company probably uses to their advantage.
24:57
They use these YouTubers to help get their information
25:02
Because you think about years and years and years ago,
25:05
before there was even a YouTube really,
25:07
or even YouTube baby YouTube back in the day
25:09
that there was not a lot of like car stuff
25:13
on whatever particular car was coming out,
25:15
you might find like a commercial or promo spot
25:19
from the car company.
25:20
But that was pretty much it, really.
25:22
There wasn't any like deep dive YouTube,
25:24
you know, creator content stuff.
25:26
In fact, one of my videos that I shot back at the audio,
25:30
auto show back in, gosh, it was 2009.
25:33
It's on my YouTube channel.
25:34
One of the most popular videos I have.
25:36
It was like literally a one minute clip of the 370Z
25:39
when it first got announced.
25:41
It was at the auto show.
25:43
I don't turn table and they were spinning around
25:45
and the girl was talking about the car
25:46
with her microphone out, doing her thing.
25:48
I thought a one minute shot, shot on a crappy camera
25:51
way back in the day, of course.
25:52
And I was kind of thinking because back then
25:54
I put that video up, you know, and it's doing fairly well.
25:57
But it's not very good.
25:59
It's only a one minute clip, but not in detail, really.
26:02
It's not much too, but it's probably back then,
26:05
it's all that we really had.
26:07
Because I don't think there was much YouTubers
26:09
doing car related content back then.
26:12
I don't think there was much of that at the time.
26:15
And like there is today or whatever.
26:16
But I do think that is a really easy way
26:19
to get content out there.
26:20
If you can figure out a way to get a press pass
26:24
to go to these events and do your filming,
26:26
do your thing, do your stuff.
26:28
And then, or even I've seen a lot of other YouTubers
26:31
do the same thing where they get in this rhythm
26:33
where they have a relationship with a certain dealership
26:37
and they're allowed to take out whatever car they have
26:41
You seen those two?
26:42
A lot of guys do that.
26:44
Rady, Rady's Rides does that.
26:46
He does a lot of reviews on a lot of his stuff.
26:49
In fact, I got to get a guy on the show
26:51
speaking of which I can reach out to that dude.
26:53
But I've seen that happens where it's very repetitive.
26:57
So when I see those kind of videos like that,
26:59
at least my perspective anyways,
27:00
when I see a channel like his
27:02
or any of those channels like that,
27:04
is that if there's only,
27:05
if there's a car that I'm actually interested in,
27:07
I'll watch maybe that video.
27:09
But if it's another car I don't care about,
27:13
Do you do the same thing
27:14
when you see videos like that?
27:18
Doug's big on that.
27:19
Rady's Rides, usually with those two.
27:25
I love Doug D'Amio's content,
27:27
so I do tend to watch some cars
27:29
that might not necessarily have been interested in.
27:31
I'll watch it just because I know
27:33
I'm going to learn something interesting
27:35
or quirky about it.
27:36
But more of like the,
27:37
yeah, like the, you know,
27:39
Rady's Rides, like some of those
27:41
are more like, yeah, I'm just curious.
27:42
I might be curious about that particular car,
27:45
but I'm not like kind of binging that content
27:48
because it's, you know,
27:50
it's just facts and things that I'm not like,
27:51
you know, it's just not really what I'm looking for.
27:54
I'm not sure if you're familiar with him,
27:56
Forest Auto Reviews.
27:58
He does, he basically kind of mastered like,
28:02
basically doing car reviews, but in short form.
28:05
He, he's like super good.
28:06
He's got a, he had a camera guy from the start.
28:09
Him and this guy, like you would tag team.
28:11
Like he was one of like the first like real rapid fire.
28:14
Like, you know, here are the facts about this car.
28:16
Like here, here's this feature.
28:18
Here's that feature.
28:20
Here's this, a quick little like acceleration video.
28:23
Like here are the power figures.
28:25
And he'd do that all in like about a minute or so clip.
28:28
And he really mastered that to the point
28:31
where like he's, he's one of the top auto reviewers,
28:34
but he purely does it in short form.
28:37
Are you sure he doesn't take long form and cut it down?
28:40
No, I mean, because he's,
28:41
he has some long form videos on his channel
28:44
and he actually started to, you know,
28:46
three, two, three years ago.
28:47
He actually started, you know,
28:49
he did a couple of like longer form views and videos.
28:52
And they, you know, at the time,
28:54
they didn't perform very well.
28:55
They've performed well now
28:56
because his shorts were so popular.
28:59
But you can tell that like when you go to his like video history,
29:03
he, he still, you know, makes new shorts now,
29:06
but the last long form video he made was like two years ago.
29:11
So he, he fully committed to this sort of short form rapid fire auto review style.
29:19
And it's, it's worked for him.
29:21
But you know what's interesting when you say that,
29:22
I just thought about this is that
29:25
you take say a one minute video,
29:27
like you're saying a rapid fire review video
29:29
and shot very well.
29:30
It's one minute long.
29:31
It's in that short form, you know, vertical, you know, format.
29:37
I do the same thing is that you take that same video
29:39
and it's not exclusive to Tik Tok YouTube.
29:42
It can be on all the places.
29:44
They all can take it because it's,
29:46
it's set up designed for social media.
29:49
It's designed for that format
29:50
and it sits under like the one minute mark
29:52
or if it's around one minute or so,
29:54
most platforms take it.
29:56
Some platforms go longer or shorter.
29:58
It just depends what platform it is.
30:00
But I think that if you can keep your videos
30:03
in a like universal package
30:06
that can be used across multiple platforms,
30:09
you can grow, I think easier.
30:11
You can have audiences all over the place
30:13
versus say one place YouTube is like YouTube long form.
30:17
YouTube long form video
30:19
is only ever going to work on YouTube.
30:23
It's not going to work on it.
30:24
I mean, you could put,
30:25
I've seen some people take,
30:27
tell it's like a long form video
30:30
that was supposed to be for YouTube.
30:31
somehow they put it on like X
30:33
or they'll put it on Instagram somehow.
30:35
And they'll do that.
30:36
I've seen them do that
30:37
because you can tell it's not cropped or anything.
30:39
It's the standard like 16 by nine format or whatever.
30:43
And so you say, okay, well I see that.
30:45
I see them do that.
30:46
And I guess that works too.
30:47
But maybe you have to have so many like viewers
30:50
or how subscribers or whatever
30:52
to even get to the level.
30:54
to get to make that,
30:56
that type of content work on something
30:58
that's more tailored towards the shorter form nine by 16.
31:03
Right, right, right.
31:04
So I think that if,
31:05
if you were a content creator listening right now
31:07
and you're thinking about doing like short form video,
31:10
I would try to aim for somewhere around the one minute mark
31:13
just so you can have access to put that same content
31:16
on all the different platforms.
31:18
And it isn't a trick and tip I've heard is that
31:21
if you can somehow keep any of the other logos off the video,
31:27
I know like TikTok, for example,
31:29
the very end they had that TikTok logo
31:31
at the end of their videos.
31:35
does TikTok put like a logo on top of their video
31:39
I'm not sure if they do.
31:42
Instagram does as well,
31:44
I'm guilty of this because I,
31:46
I pull a lot of my like,
31:48
if I'm doing like for like B roll,
31:50
like, you know, or things like that,
31:52
I'll just pull it off Instagram
31:54
because certain videos allow you to actually download them.
31:57
I've heard that the algorithm sees that
31:59
and it kind of pushes it deeper in the file.
32:04
I'm saying if you pulled the TikTok video
32:07
and put it from TikTok directly on Instagram,
32:10
Instagram is not going to favor that video
32:12
over our different video
32:13
because they see somebody else's logo on there,
32:15
especially a competitor's logo in there.
32:17
Can you imagine that you see a competitor's logo on something?
32:20
it's like if you were to like,
32:22
walk into the Coke store drinking a Pepsi,
32:24
get out of here with that, you know?
32:27
So they're not going to be too happy about that.
32:29
so if you're going to do that,
32:30
try to make a clean copy
32:31
that you can put it all in different places
32:34
I mean, it's the same copy,
32:36
it's the same version,
32:37
just move it to different places.
32:39
You can go to different platforms.
32:41
But I know some people say,
32:42
oh, I just like to upload it on here
32:44
and like in TikTok or whatever,
32:46
and then I can share it out that way
32:51
but the algorithm does not like you to do that
32:53
because they want to make sure that
32:54
whatever you post on their platform
32:58
They don't want you cheating
32:59
with other platforms.
33:01
They don't want you doing that.
33:04
you are doing that,
33:04
they frown upon that.
33:06
That's one thing I've heard.
33:06
They've got this assumption
33:08
and that they're the only ones.
33:13
These other platforms don't exist in our mind.
33:16
And that's kind of why I think YouTube
33:17
started doing shorts in the first place.
33:19
That's why we're also doing that kind of content.
33:22
And they can kind of master and tailor the algorithm quicker,
33:26
probably that way too.
33:26
I'm sure the algorithm for these short form platforms
33:29
is way different than like long form algorithm stuff
33:33
because you don't know,
33:33
you're almost playing like,
33:35
like roulette or whatever,
33:36
when you flip them through your phone
33:37
on like, on reels or shorts or whatever it is,
33:40
you have no idea what's coming up next.
33:47
when I'm going on YouTube as a consumer of YouTube,
33:50
I say like, you know, those,
33:54
because I'm usually on my phone,
33:56
every once in a while,
33:56
if I'm using my computer for something,
33:59
but for the most part on my phone,
34:02
the way the initial page is when you open it
34:06
is usually you're recommended like four random shorts
34:10
or depending on who you subscribe to,
34:12
if you're subscribed to like a bigger channel,
34:14
like they might be part of that,
34:16
like for four short,
34:18
kind of grouping that they put up top,
34:20
but usually there's like a couple of long form videos,
34:23
but then like right in the middle of that screen,
34:25
you'll have like four shorts recommended.
34:28
And usually depending on whatever short you,
34:32
you click on initially,
34:34
if you're going down that rabbit trail,
34:36
is going to lead you down like a different path
34:38
of what's kind of recommended after that.
34:41
The algorithm kind of kicks into place
34:43
and starts doing a spin.
34:44
And I tend to not necessarily scroll
34:46
like to an additional real or additional,
34:50
short that's this kind of selected
34:53
after the one that I selected first.
34:56
I'm clicking on that one specifically
34:58
because I was interested in that.
35:00
And then I'm going back to like my main page
35:02
because I was looking for something specific.
35:06
But, but yeah, to your point,
35:08
some folks are just there in the loop.
35:10
And so once they start,
35:12
once they start watching it,
35:14
they're going to whatever's next,
35:16
whatever's next, whatever's next.
35:17
And again, yeah, the algorithm is kind of evolved
35:21
to that point to like say,
35:22
well, you were interested in this right now.
35:25
So let's just keep you down that rabbit trail.
35:29
Let's recommend some things around that.
35:31
But just to backtrack,
35:33
I mean, I think your advice is really solid.
35:35
Like I'm listening to this too,
35:37
as obviously somebody that's actively making content
35:41
is that I really do think that,
35:43
finding a way to have,
35:45
at least on the short form side,
35:47
to have something that's duplicatable
35:50
over multiple platforms.
35:53
you're not maybe shooting yourself in the foot
35:55
by having your remnants of those other platforms
35:59
on the new platform that you're uploading to,
36:02
but having content that can really be cross-platform,
36:05
because it makes sense.
36:06
All of those platforms have sort of this short mentality.
36:10
So why not have something
36:12
that works on all those other platforms?
36:15
The long form sector of it,
36:18
like I said, really only tailors to YouTube.
36:21
And so if people still have that ambition to do that,
36:25
let the algorithms from all of these other platforms
36:29
start to feed into your long form content
36:32
and drive traffic to it.
36:35
And then you start to maybe experience growth on both sides.
36:40
By, I tend to, when I post a short,
36:43
it gets a lot more views
36:45
in a lot shorter amount of time on the short side,
36:47
even specifically on YouTube,
36:49
than they do on the long form side.
36:52
And my mind always goes to let the short form drive
36:56
possibly newer traffic to the overall channel
37:00
to then hopefully if your content really gravitates
37:02
with them and is sticky enough
37:04
to then get them to click on the long form content.
37:07
Now, just if you can multiply that
37:10
and have that over multiple different platforms,
37:14
have all of that now working towards your favor
37:16
on the long form side of YouTube,
37:19
I think you really kind of add on to your odds
37:21
of creating some type of traction and growth in that realm.
37:26
I think you're pretty spot on with that mentality for sure.
37:30
You know, one thing that like with podcasting,
37:33
for example, here, like I call it podcasting classic,
37:37
which is my definition of it,
37:38
which is basically like a typical audio podcast,
37:41
like the original podcasting, you know,
37:44
how most people think of a podcast,
37:46
think of like an audio podcast.
37:48
Now, there's many different places
37:50
to listen to this podcast.
37:51
You can listen to on Spotify, Apple, iHeart,
37:54
Amazon, so on and so forth,
37:56
There's a bunch of places to listen to this thing at.
37:59
And you should do that, by the way,
38:00
if you have to listen to it.
38:02
And the thing is, is that if,
38:03
if whatever reason we say something that
38:06
Apple does not like for whatever,
38:08
or you can't say whatever, you know, or something,
38:11
and Apple says your show is kicked off, right?
38:13
Well, it can still be played on Spotify, Amazon,
38:16
go down the line of whatever places you want to listen to it.
38:19
You can still listen there.
38:20
Versus if you're on YouTube and you get those three strikes,
38:24
Like you are done off YouTube.
38:27
Go down to the YouTube down the street?
38:28
Well, what is that place?
38:31
They own the monopoly.
38:32
I mean, is it Vine?
38:33
I'm thinking of what's the other video place
38:35
that does like similar to YouTube?
38:36
There's another place out there.
38:40
There is another one.
38:41
There is another one.
38:42
It was like Vimeo or something like that.
38:44
Maybe that's what it is.
38:46
But I thought there was another one out there,
38:48
very similar to YouTube, but not as popular.
38:51
I mean, I mean, YouTube is a mega giant, you know.
38:55
And so, yes, there are other places you can go to.
38:57
And I guess the same thing with podcasting too,
38:59
like Apple's like the big guy.
39:00
And if Apple kicks you out or whatever,
39:02
you know, Spotify or whatever else is out there,
39:04
you can still listen.
39:05
If possible, you're not completely dead in the water.
39:08
But I just think that like with the YouTube channel
39:11
is that if something goes wrong,
39:13
you do get the platforms on YouTube.
39:15
It's very, very hard to like get that back.
39:18
I guess it goes with any social media.
39:21
The thing about social media, even with YouTube,
39:23
is that like really you are at their mercy
39:25
of their algorithm.
39:26
And you're at their mercy of like playing nice.
39:28
You're at their mercy of that.
39:29
Something doesn't go wrong.
39:31
Where they kick you out.
39:32
They're restriction terms.
39:34
You could do something.
39:36
Even it's an accident.
39:37
You can do something that you were intending to do.
39:41
And if they kick you out, you're screwed, you know.
39:45
That's why I think it's important to have your content
39:48
spread across as many places possible.
39:51
Like if Instagram kicks you out,
39:53
say you got TikTok.
39:54
If TikTok kicks you out,
39:55
say you got YouTube shorts or whatever.
39:57
And go down the line, you know,
39:58
of different places.
40:00
And I think no matter where you put your content,
40:02
I think that the core thing
40:03
is that your brand and your content
40:06
should really like be like the main thing, you know.
40:10
And I think being like a car, a YouTuber,
40:14
I said, unless you have like repeatable content
40:17
that you can do over and over again,
40:19
that's not just repeatable.
40:20
Like it's good too.
40:21
It has to be good, of course.
40:22
You can't put out crap, boring stuff.
40:24
You don't matter how much you repeat,
40:26
you know, crap is good.
40:31
Right, right, right.
40:32
So I think there's that too, of course.
40:34
You know, there's a format to all this stuff.
40:35
But I think the thing about audio podcast,
40:38
I shared this with you, but is that
40:41
there's no typical algorithm in an audio podcast
40:45
versus a YouTube channel or Instagram
40:47
or TikTok or those kind of things.
40:49
Algorithms all feed that stuff.
40:50
Algorithms, you know, push your content out
40:53
to everybody, you know, to see it.
40:55
With an audio podcast,
40:56
there is no typical algorithm.
40:58
So we have to use other tools and other means
41:01
like social media and other algorithms,
41:03
other places to help like get it out there
41:06
to more people or marketing it.
41:08
I said this to somebody recently,
41:10
I was saying how like, you know,
41:12
most popular podcasts
41:15
or most popular shows I see out there
41:17
are really good at marketing.
41:18
If you want to have a really, really popular show,
41:20
really a successful show, really,
41:22
you have to get really good at marketing,
41:24
really good at podcast marketing,
41:26
really good at marketing.
41:27
If you're not good at marketing,
41:29
then your show is probably just going to be
41:30
just a plain Jane, you know,
41:33
not get a lot of listens or views
41:35
and sit there or whatever.
41:37
And I think a lot of people, like YouTubers,
41:39
they will rely on the algorithm
41:40
to do all the work for them.
41:42
But I think you still have to like
41:43
do some marketing on your own too.
41:46
You can't 100% rely on the algorithm
41:49
to take it off and do its thing
41:50
because it may not be tuned for your content.
41:53
It might not be, I don't know.
41:56
I mean, I think that like when you have a show
41:58
that like an episode does well,
41:59
sometimes the algorithm does help push it out more.
42:03
But the marketing is important.
42:06
Yeah, and I feel like, you know,
42:10
marketing is, there's a lot to it,
42:12
you know, with YouTube and social media in general,
42:15
like, you know, your packaging of the video,
42:19
the title, the thumbnail,
42:21
that's part of marketing your video.
42:24
Your title and thumbnail are essentially really the gating item
42:28
for anybody even given like your content a shot,
42:31
no matter how good or not good it is.
42:35
Well, of course, it has to be sticky too.
42:36
It has to build like, even if you get them in the door,
42:39
they have to like look around and say,
42:41
Oh, what a shop here, you know,
42:43
like having the coolest looking like neon sign
42:45
and like the coolest doorfront is great.
42:48
But getting them inside the shop
42:49
and the shop's like empty shelves
42:50
and like one guy in the back picking his nose,
42:52
you're like, okay, well, this is not for me.
42:55
I will say though, the interesting thing about that though
42:57
is kind of back to like an earlier point is
43:01
really once you have command of your audience,
43:03
like, you know, some people distance themselves
43:08
a little bit more from like a little bit more
43:10
of a rapid fire type, like, you know,
43:13
kind of hook based, I guess, you know,
43:17
approach to like intros and things in videos.
43:20
Like I've noticed that some people actually, you know,
43:23
they want things to have, you know,
43:25
go back to more of like the, you know,
43:28
just the just flow of content,
43:30
like, you know, conversational type content
43:32
and things like that.
43:34
And it all, I think that part of it
43:36
really depends on your audience.
43:38
Like, you know, your, you know,
43:39
your video can be sticky to say like an audience
43:42
that really enjoys just feeling like
43:44
they're having a conversation with the person
43:46
that's creating a video and different things like that
43:49
versus like on the other side of the things,
43:51
like your content can be sticky to like, you know,
43:54
the younger generation, I'll just say like me,
43:56
that like enjoys like maybe a little bit of the flashier,
43:59
like, you know, jump cuts and, you know,
44:02
some editing tricks and things like that.
44:06
And I feel like I'm in a balanced area
44:10
where like, you know, I got to at least
44:11
kind of know what's going on.
44:12
Like I feel like there's a lot of content now
44:15
where it's just like jump cut after jump cut
44:17
and you just don't really know what's going on.
44:19
That's usually works best to like the short form of stuff
44:21
because you have like that one minute place to put in like,
44:24
you got to add 30 minutes down to one minute.
44:26
I can see jump cut city, you know?
44:28
And I can see it happen.
44:29
Yeah, jump cut city.
44:30
But it does get annoying after a while.
44:31
When we put you on a video where you get to jarring
44:33
where you're watching them, it's like a 30 second clip
44:36
and it's like jump cut after jump cut after jump cut
44:39
and you're like, what, what, what, what?
44:41
You know, it doesn't feel natural.
44:42
Your brain kind of like does is like, what?
44:45
You know, I mean, I get it.
44:46
I get it because you're,
44:47
obviously edited, heavily edited,
44:50
and you're trying to make a point across.
44:51
You got to, you got to edit down like literally 30 minutes
44:56
You got to do what you got to do for your,
44:58
for your time allowed in space.
45:01
And, you know, again, and again, your audience,
45:04
like I said, you know, unfortunately,
45:05
you know, I don't want to say unfortunately,
45:07
but like, you know, there's,
45:09
everybody has, and this is one thing
45:11
that I kind of got from that perspective of,
45:14
you know, using that course that kind of initially
45:16
got me into wanting to start up my YouTube channel was,
45:19
you know, everybody, you know,
45:20
all the content out there has an audience.
45:22
It's like, you, you might have to do the work
45:24
to really, you know, find out what,
45:27
who that audience is and who really gravitates
45:29
to your style of content creation,
45:32
but everybody has an audience.
45:33
Like we can't, we can't think that like,
45:36
you know, we're the only ones in the world that,
45:39
that our type of creation style is going to resonate with,
45:42
but it just takes time to flesh it out.
45:44
Like we're not going to be, you know,
45:45
we're not going to be the best at it,
45:47
you know, right out of the gate.
45:48
You know, we got to take time to do it.
45:50
And, you know, I think one thing that I just,
45:53
I keep in mind that I would say I would leave folks with,
45:56
you know, at all in terms of just like encouragement
45:59
in this world of, you know, again, it's tough.
46:02
Like, you know, it's really tough to like,
46:04
stand out above the crowd and create something
46:08
amongst all of what's already out there.
46:10
You know, there's a lot of saturation
46:12
in the car content realm and all of that.
46:14
But, you know, I think, you know,
46:16
really we're getting into a mentality where, you know,
46:19
if you got a passion for doing something,
46:22
you got to just be willing to kind of stick with it long enough
46:25
and continue to take yourself back to,
46:28
I'm doing this because like this is something
46:30
that I truly enjoy doing.
46:33
Like, you know, because if we're trying to make something
46:35
work that we really just don't enjoy doing
46:37
because we think like it's going to create
46:39
like the monetary result we want.
46:41
Like even if we do create the monetary result,
46:43
like it's going to be hollow at the end of the day anyway.
46:46
It's like we got to tell ourselves,
46:49
like if this is something we feel like we, you know,
46:53
really are passionate about and enjoy doing,
46:55
like it's worth some of this, like, you know,
46:58
some of the downside of needing to find your audience
47:02
and needing to understand how to get your content out there
47:04
and market your content and all of the hard stuff
47:07
that you got to go through.
47:08
Because, you know, there's an audience for people out there.
47:12
They just, you know, we just got to kind of fight to get to it.
47:15
And that's what I tell myself all the time,
47:17
even when I'm going through those slumps of,
47:19
I don't know what to make a video about now.
47:21
Like, it's like, I have no idea.
47:24
I think having, like you have your cool car,
47:25
you can always make videos about your car.
47:27
You always can like figure out things to work around your car.
47:29
Like your car can be the, I guess, the glue to your channel,
47:34
you know, the end car.
47:36
You can always use that.
47:37
That's one thing I noticed with some of these other guys.
47:39
They had like a Z or something like that.
47:40
That became like their glue for their channel.
47:43
It was the car they had.
47:46
They would do right along, was talking about the car,
47:48
working on the car, adding a modification to the car,
47:52
That kind of, I kind of felt like some relatability
47:54
because they're like, oh, I have the same car.
47:56
Oh, I could probably do that to my car or whatever,
47:59
And so, so I think that as a car content creator,
48:04
I think you have to find a way to create content
48:08
easily that works best for you, that is relatable to an audience
48:13
that doesn't burn you out, of course,
48:14
because if you're burnt down and you're doing your thing,
48:17
and then it's game over, man.
48:19
You know what you could do, but,
48:21
but yeah, I think that it's, it's not easy
48:23
being a YouTuber in the car space
48:25
with so much competition out there,
48:26
even like the, like the review ride type shows.
48:29
There's a bunch of those out there.
48:31
We've mentioned a few already, but I'm sure,
48:34
like if I'm reviewing say the next whatever car
48:38
and you're reviewing that same car
48:40
and so on down the streets reviewing the same car
48:42
and then most of, so the actual car is literally
48:46
So that is the core is the same car.
48:48
The only thing different would be how I talk about the car
48:51
or how you talk about the car or the next guy
48:53
talks about the car, which kind of goes back
48:54
to like your own brand and your own personality.
48:58
So if you can figure out a way to make your brand
49:01
and your personality stand apart
49:03
from everybody else's, then I think,
49:06
I think it's what you have to do these days.
49:07
There's just so much competition.
49:09
There's just so many people out there.
49:12
I mean, it's a way to personalize it
49:13
because it's, we're just, I don't think we're,
49:16
I'd say this now, but you never really know,
49:18
but I don't think we're in a realm
49:19
where we can really just carve out
49:21
this new grandiose thing that just hasn't been done yet.
49:24
Like it's, I don't think we're in a realm
49:26
where we can really do that, but.
49:27
Unless you've gotten millions of dollars
49:29
to like think big and like,
49:32
like on this next episode of cool cars with Chris,
49:35
I'm going to be driving a Lamborghini
49:37
and courage is driving the Lydice Ferrari
49:38
and we're going to go head to head
49:40
and do a demolition derby.
49:41
Find out next on tomorrow's episode.
49:44
Yes. Yeah. I was like, I was like,
49:46
all of this has been done.
49:47
And then you do demolition derby and I was like,
49:49
okay, that's different.
49:51
We're playing who's funding this now.
49:54
Right. Right. We're going to jump over each other
49:56
blindfolded while our cars are on fire.
49:59
It's like, literally what Mr. Beast has to do,
50:02
like he has to up, up his game so much to even like get, like,
50:08
I mean, now it's become like another episode
50:10
of like a game show every time it does a thing now.
50:13
I think there's a level you get to,
50:16
especially at a Mr. Beast level where, I mean,
50:18
I don't want to say that you could just like do nothing
50:21
and still, you know, and still get views.
50:24
But you, but you've created a brand
50:27
and you created a following and you posting and putting
50:31
at least enough effort to create something that
50:34
that's true to the content that people enjoy from you will,
50:38
I mean, yes, it might be you, if you look metrics wise,
50:41
like, yeah, you might have some drop offs here and there,
50:43
but I mean, you would really have to be,
50:46
you do something completely wrong to just not,
50:50
you know, generate the level of views that his videos
50:52
generate just in an instant when he posts,
50:55
because, you know, you just have that followership,
50:58
you have that audience that is just into what it is that you do
51:01
and you're in the way you think and the way that you create content.
51:04
But that dude is like living and breathing YouTube 217.
51:08
Like that guy, that's all he, he has an entire team
51:12
and a team on that team that all they dedicate towards
51:15
is thumbnails and the thumbnail doesn't do well
51:17
after like so many views or so many hours or whatever.
51:20
They swap it out for another one.
51:22
Well, you know, you too, you know,
51:23
that's something you can do as like, as a, well, you know that
51:27
because you've, you've created a really like played around
51:30
with that feature that much.
51:31
Like I'm so like out of the loop when it comes to YouTube stuff,
51:34
like, like I know how to upload and like how to put the title
51:37
together in the thumbnail,
51:38
but that's about where my YouTube expertise goes.
51:41
You got the timestamps down really well too,
51:43
which is something that on this show was because
51:46
when I put this timestamps into the show notes on the podcast,
51:50
they transfer over and I figured that was pretty,
51:54
I figured little tip here, guys,
51:56
is that I've gone up a timestamps in your videos.
51:58
All you have to do is put them in the description part
52:02
of your YouTube video.
52:03
And the way you do that,
52:04
it's got to be formatted in like the,
52:06
the four digit timestamps will be like
52:08
00 colon 00 will be the start and like,
52:11
you know, 00 one minute, whatever seconds, that kind of thing.
52:15
So if you do it in that style,
52:17
YouTube figures that out and puts there and that the video,
52:20
but it has to be into the show notes.
52:22
So let's just another way to do it.
52:23
I don't know about,
52:24
but that's the way that I figured how to do it.
52:27
And that's what works.
52:28
But, but yeah, YouTube is a beat.
52:30
Is it another piece?
52:31
I don't understand.
52:32
It's like, it's always changing.
52:36
one thing I was going to add on,
52:38
on Mr. Beast, though, that YouTube aside,
52:42
all of, like, all of, you know, the challenges aside,
52:46
one of the coolest things that I think about,
52:47
Mr. Beast is, is the video that like,
52:51
has now gotten like over like a hundred million views now.
52:54
But when he made it, didn't was a video to himself
52:58
five or 10 years in the future.
53:00
I don't know if you've ever seen that on YouTube,
53:02
but obviously now, since his, like, you know,
53:04
his persona, his brand, his channel has grown to what it is.
53:07
Now that video started obviously got recommended more
53:11
and like everybody's seen it now.
53:12
But he basically just, you know,
53:14
it was just him sitting in his room,
53:16
completely unedited, just him sitting talking to himself
53:20
saying like, you know, man, like, you know,
53:22
I'm going in on this YouTube thing.
53:24
I'm, you know, five years down the road,
53:26
like, you know, it'd be great to have, like,
53:28
a hundred thousand subscribers, maybe a million,
53:30
like, you know, different things like that.
53:32
You know, he's just talking through, like,
53:33
these random ideas on this video.
53:36
And then to kind of know where he's at now,
53:39
everything aside, algorithm, all of that.
53:41
Like, you know, just the fact that, like, he,
53:44
you know, he, he had a dream for something.
53:46
Like I said, dude, the guy lives and breathes YouTube 24 seven.
53:51
He put in, he put in the effort.
53:53
He, you know, he, he, he again, yeah, he eats at eight slept,
53:58
breathed YouTube and, and made it work.
54:01
But, you know, at the time where he was making that decision,
54:04
he was just some little kid that I don't even think he was,
54:07
he had graduated high school at that point,
54:10
was just creating videos in his room.
54:12
And, you know, I just think that it's cool
54:15
that that video came out where you just saw like that genuine,
54:18
like, you know, I would love to be here at this point
54:21
and like I'm committed to doing it
54:23
and then seeing it actually come, come to fruition is just,
54:28
it's a cool thing to watch for sure.
54:30
But there's also a downside when you get to the level
54:32
of any kind of success, especially even, even on YouTube,
54:35
really, when you get to that, that I would,
54:38
I would say a successful level on YouTube would probably be
54:41
into the hundreds of thousands of subscribers,
54:44
maybe even millions of subscribers.
54:45
Maybe get to that level, like a million subscriber level.
54:49
Things, it's like being a celebrity, you know,
54:51
and I think, I don't know, like, when you get to level of fame,
54:55
it's not all, you know, glamorous.
54:58
It's not all like, sunshine and rainbows.
55:01
Oh, 100%. I know a lot of, I mean,
55:03
there's, there's channels that I watched though,
55:05
where I'm like, I'll see that, I'll like get one video
55:08
recommended to me and, and I'll watch it
55:11
and not even realize kind of how big that
55:13
particular like channel is.
55:15
And I'll go in and see that they have like 200,
55:17
300,000 subscribers and like,
55:19
I literally have never heard of this channel before.
55:22
And the type of content that they make is not like
55:25
something where like, you know,
55:26
everybody walking down the street is going to know,
55:29
like there's, there's still a level, I think,
55:32
of YouTube and, you know, particular or anything out there
55:35
where you can still have like a level of
55:37
anim, animinity or whatever that word is.
55:41
And I think one good way to do it is to have a,
55:43
have a total faceless, like audio show.
55:45
That's one way to do it.
55:46
Cause normally you could see you, you know.
55:49
But I, I mean, they even, even people that do, you know,
55:52
but just kind of, you know, I mean,
55:53
people that see, they see their face on YouTube, like,
55:56
or see their face on social media, like they,
56:00
there's a level of that where, you know,
56:02
yes, when you're getting, you know,
56:03
maybe when you get to like a million or so, like,
56:06
you know, you're, you're in that realm.
56:07
And again, if you're in a very popular, you know,
56:10
niche, then yeah, like it's probably inevitable that people
56:13
are going to just start to like recognize you.
56:15
But I still think there's, and I know like some examples
56:19
of some folks where like, I mean, they, they,
56:22
people don't know them.
56:24
They only know them, like if they are in that realm,
56:26
which, you know, is kind of a small niche in and of itself,
56:29
you, it really just depends, you know, at the end of the day.
56:32
It's, I definitely agree with you that like, you know,
56:35
most of the people that are in that limelight right now
56:39
don't really want to be there.
56:42
They're like, you know, introverted.
56:44
And those are trying right now to get there,
56:46
really want to be there. You know, they really,
56:47
oh, I wish I'd be famous. I knew this podcaster,
56:51
YouTuber, what do you want to call the guy?
56:52
Years ago, he would tell me that he really wanted to be famous.
56:56
He's supposed to make him want to be,
56:57
he wanted to fame, want to be famous.
56:58
Like, like why? Why would you want that?
57:00
Like, why would you want that?
57:01
I think, I think his thinking process is that if I am famous,
57:05
then quote unquote, I am rich and I have nice things.
57:08
I think he's kind of comparing the two together.
57:10
Well, you can still have nice things.
57:11
You still be rich and not to be famous.
57:13
There's plenty of rich people
57:14
who are not famous that are out there right now.
57:16
And so, and being fame, you have to accept the good with the bad.
57:21
And you know what I know, YouTube is notorious for like bad comments.
57:26
It's the hate and like, I mean, you said how like,
57:30
people that leave negative comments have like,
57:32
literally no followers.
57:33
It's, it's always the people with zero,
57:36
zero subs, no content that they've ever posted.
57:39
So I wonder if those like bots, if those are fake things,
57:41
if they're not real people or how it works, you know,
57:43
cause I got one recently and I quickly got rid of it.
57:45
But I was kind of wondering about that.
57:48
It was somebody who had no content of any kind,
57:50
no nothing of any kind.
57:52
And I'm like, who is this clown?
57:54
Like, what, you know, they just go on there
57:55
and just, just to bash everybody, the typical trolls.
57:58
And you get a lot of that stuff.
57:59
The bigger you get, the more of those you get.
58:01
I think a hundred percent.
58:02
Yeah. I seriously have yet to have that.
58:05
Like, and I purposely, like if I, and it doesn't,
58:07
it hasn't really happened that much with me at least,
58:10
but, but I'll purposely kind of go and like, you know,
58:13
just, just click the profile and just check to see.
58:16
I've, I've yet to be proven wrong that like, you know,
58:19
it's even on Instagram, like,
58:21
cause Instagram, it happens a lot more to me at least
58:23
than with YouTube, you know, where, you know,
58:26
it's just somebody like rag, and especially like with the,
58:28
with the Hyundai, like, you know, they, you know,
58:30
there's people that got a lot of negative conception
58:32
about Hyundai and everything.
58:34
And so, you know, you'll see a lot of that on Instagram,
58:37
go to the profile, you know, three posts, four posts,
58:40
you know, two followers or three followers or something,
58:44
you know, and it just, it's just the trolls.
58:48
Don't feed the trolls.
58:50
One thing though, I just happened just recently on a video
58:54
that I just uploaded.
58:55
It was a short, the one that I was talking to you about
58:57
that I did on the company vector automotive
59:00
that actually has done like surprisingly well,
59:02
like in terms of engagement and everything,
59:04
like out of an abnormally out of like some of the content
59:07
that I've done in that same realm.
59:10
So just to expose myself on this is I,
59:15
I guess the way that I pronounce the, like,
59:18
the Lamborghini Diablo Diablo.
59:22
So I say, yeah, I say Diablo and I've like always said that.
59:26
And when I posted that video and I talked about it,
59:29
I had like five to six people, totally different comment threads
59:33
comment on the fact that I say it that way.
59:37
But I'd never really clued into it until I saw that.
59:40
And I was like, yeah, that is kind of weird
59:42
because really like it should, you should like Diablo.
59:46
Like that's probably how like a lot of people say it.
59:49
But like nope, they weren't rude about it.
59:51
Like they were, they just kind of laughed.
59:53
Like they had a little laugh emoji or whatever.
59:55
But I like comment on each one and I was like,
59:58
man, like to be totally honest, I never thought about it that way.
00:01
Like I've never really kind of heard the way that I say it
00:04
in any other way just because it's just me saying it.
00:07
And that was the one time where like, yes,
00:09
it could be considered a negative comment,
00:11
but I like took that as genuine criticism
00:14
to like kind of think about like, you know,
00:16
how I say a certain word or something like that.
00:19
You know, it's funny thing you say that.
00:21
I think that if they're going on there to really criticize
00:26
the way you said Diop, Diop.
00:28
They have me all screwed up now Diablo.
00:31
Then they have the perfect life.
00:34
They've got it good because that's the biggest problem
00:37
they're worried about right now.
00:38
Their life is good and chances are it's not.
00:40
And we all know it's not, you know?
00:42
So I think that, you know, man, people are going to hate,
00:47
people are going to go on, people are going to retrolls,
00:49
people are going to say negative things
00:50
and people are going to be like,
00:52
especially the bigger you get an episode,
00:54
bigger you get your channel or whatever it is,
00:56
the bigger it gets, the bigger it grows, the more hate you get.
01:00
And you get love too, but you get hate too.
01:02
And it seems like the hate sticks out more than the love does.
01:08
You know, you can get like a bunch of positive comments
01:10
on something, but you get like one negative nasty comment.
01:13
That's all you think about.
01:15
You're like, oh crap, maybe my whole show is like horrible
01:18
or maybe my video is trash.
01:19
And that's just our human nature, unfortunately.
01:24
It's like, for some reason, like we gravitate more
01:28
to the negative than we do the positive.
01:30
And going back to the car YouTubers having to deal
01:35
all that kind of stuff.
01:36
I mean, that they keep doing it.
01:39
I think that they have a,
01:41
because they're getting paid to do it, of course,
01:42
if their YouTube channel is making money
01:44
and they're making money off the stuff,
01:45
they get to do their thing.
01:46
It becomes their regular like full-time job.
01:49
I know a lot of the guys that you mentioned,
01:51
I've known in stuff that do the YouTube full-time,
01:54
that's their full-time job.
01:55
That's not like a special little fun hobby to them.
01:58
It's literally a paycheck.
02:00
It'd be like, you know, you go into your job
02:03
and someone, you know, telling you
02:05
you're doing your job incorrectly or it's horrible.
02:07
And the person hasn't even done your job before.
02:10
Like how'd that feel?
02:11
That wouldn't feel cool, you know?
02:13
So, but YouTube is changing, I think.
02:16
And people on YouTube are changing their directive
02:19
when it comes to creating car content.
02:21
And I think personally for me,
02:23
I thought of this yesterday or today,
02:24
I thought like, you know, we live in an age now
02:27
where you can make AI anything, literally,
02:29
like AI, whatever you want, a lot of AI stuff out there.
02:33
Somewhat's funny, somewhat's crap, somewhat's whatever.
02:37
AI long form, AI short form, AI podcast, AI, everything.
02:42
And so I thought about this.
02:43
I thought, you know what?
02:44
In this age we live in today, 2026,
02:47
if you want your content, your brand to stand out,
02:50
I think that if you can somehow be more human than the AI,
02:56
I think people are going to lean to that versus AI stuff.
03:01
If I could drop the bike without like that being an issue,
03:06
But I'm in 100% agreement of that for sure.
03:10
And I was thinking about this, man,
03:12
you're like, because because we can feed stuff in AI,
03:14
all these different AI places that make videos and stuff now,
03:17
even podcasts now, and you can totally do that.
03:20
You can take whatever content or script or whatever you want
03:22
and feed it into the thing and have it create something.
03:25
That's fine, it's fun, whatever.
03:26
But I think that, so I've heard from other creators,
03:30
other people have said this, is that when they get a whiff
03:33
of some content and the whiff of AI in the content,
03:37
they tune out, they check out, they flip it off,
03:40
they change the channel or whatever they do.
03:43
Unless it's like, obviously AI and it's humor, it's funny,
03:48
it's fun, but even those videos get very old very fast.
03:51
I mean, for a minute there was like,
03:52
oh, the AI talking baby ones, I'm sure you've seen those ones.
03:55
The baby comes out of the womb and they ask him,
03:57
oh, what do you like about the world right now?
03:58
And they say something stupid, like, oh, I'm broke.
04:00
So send me back or whatever, get out.
04:02
So things like that, those are fun,
04:05
but they get overplayed very quickly.
04:07
And I just kind of wonder with like the car stuff,
04:10
if some of that car stuff, at least for me,
04:12
if a lot of us car videos got overplayed very quickly for me too,
04:14
oh, here's another review on this car.
04:16
Okay, I've already seen that.
04:17
Here's another review on this car.
04:18
I've already seen that.
04:19
You know, I don't know.
04:20
My biggest frustration with like AI generated like car content
04:24
is that for some reason, like just whatever AI
04:29
interpretation of how a car drives, they can't-
04:32
Oh yeah, like sideways.
04:35
I don't understand why they can't figure that out.
04:39
That frustrates me in every like video
04:41
where they try to show like a car driving.
04:43
It's always like cricket like that.
04:46
The day where they fix that, I'm like, all right,
04:48
well, maybe they're on a like a more positive track now,
04:51
but it seems like that's just the hardest thing
04:53
for AI to wrap its head around.
04:55
Well, I'm not seeing this one,
04:56
but this guy like closed the,
04:57
the guy in the car closed the door,
04:59
but somehow the door went through him.
05:00
But he closed it on his-
05:01
Well, the door went through somehow.
05:03
Like he was, he was inside the car one second
05:06
and like now he's outside the car
05:07
the next second and the door closed
05:08
and it didn't even like, he didn't get around the door
05:10
and went like through him.
05:12
So, but goofy things like that.
05:14
AI is getting better.
05:15
It's getting really, really good.
05:16
It's getting really, really hard to tell
05:18
like if, like what is really photorealistic
05:21
versus like, you know, like what really was shot
05:24
versus AI kind of stuff.
05:25
It's very, very close that kind of stuff.
05:28
And I'm just saying that like,
05:29
if you're a content creator of any kind,
05:32
that the more like real human,
05:35
like humanness that you can put into your content,
05:38
I think the better.
05:39
And one way to do that is to not be as flashy,
05:41
not to be all crazy, you know, you know,
05:44
hate to say like jump cuts and all the different flashy
05:47
graphics and flashy stuff and the pristine audio
05:49
and the pristine video and the pristine,
05:51
you know, all the different things
05:53
because AI can do a lot of stuff, you know.
05:58
I mean, do what you do.
05:59
Do whatever you do or mix easy for you
06:01
and it's something you can enjoy.
06:03
If you enjoy doing it, go and do it, you know,
06:04
go ahead, go ahead.
06:05
But I think if you're going to try to stand out,
06:08
stand apart from all the AI stuff,
06:09
is to make your content look less like AI?
06:14
So that's my thought.
06:15
Two cents of the day.
06:17
Take it or leave it.
06:19
And this has been fantastic.
06:21
I have you on the show tonight in Courage.
06:22
I really appreciate you stopping by today, man.
06:24
And you know, where can everybody find
06:26
about your YouTube channel?
06:27
What's the handle for it?
06:28
Where can you find it at?
06:30
If you feel free to check out the Driven Dad 22
06:32
that comes up pretty, pretty quick.
06:34
If you put it in the Driven Dad 22
06:36
on YouTube and Instagram,
06:37
and might be expanding that
06:39
based on this conversation to some other platforms,
06:41
but that's where it's at.
06:43
Dude, the world's your oyster, man.
06:44
Anywhere you want to go, man.
06:45
Anywhere you want to go.
06:46
I mean, there's lots of platforms out there.
06:50
Just do what you got to do.
06:51
I think building the brand or, you know,
06:53
like you as a brand, no matter where it gets distributed,
06:57
it's like you, I think kind of funneled through you
06:59
in funneled through.
07:00
So I think like, with me,
07:02
I've heard people say they heard of me,
07:03
even though they haven't seen my stuff,
07:05
they's like, I've heard of you.
07:06
That's just as good for them concerned.
07:08
Because it means that they're aware of me.
07:12
If you're aware of me, it's a start, you know,
07:15
because the worst thing you can say is like,
07:16
if someone says, don't you know who I am?
07:18
And they say, no, I don't actually have no idea.
07:21
I don't know who you are.
07:22
You know, I've always wanted to like,
07:24
see someone actually pull that in the wild,
07:26
like a celebrity, like pull that move in the wild,
07:28
like, don't you know who I am?
07:32
Not to go on another tangent,
07:33
but I did this Warner Brothers Studios tour last,
07:36
well, in the last year.
07:38
And they were telling us that there was one tour
07:40
that they did where there was like,
07:42
it was some studio or some show that's on right now.
07:46
It's like a hospital drama show or something like that.
07:49
And the actors were on set as they were doing this,
07:52
they were like within like the,
07:54
on the campus while they were doing this tour.
07:56
And the actors like saw the tour bus coming by.
07:59
And so they were kind of like waving like,
08:01
Hey, how are you guys and everything?
08:02
Like expecting that the people on the tour knew who they were.
08:05
And nobody on the tour bus knew who they were.
08:09
It was really awkward.
08:11
Cause yeah, like people thought that,
08:12
Oh, do these guys work here?
08:14
Or like, you know, this is just like,
08:16
just just a tour staff,
08:18
but like these are legitimate actors like on this show
08:21
that like actually a lot of people watch,
08:23
but nobody on that particular tour knew who they were.
08:25
And so that's so odd.
08:27
Cause you would think that like the TMZ, you know, the,
08:30
like TMZ in the wild, they'll like, Oh, they got,
08:32
they're shooting some celebrity in the total while, like,
08:34
you know, hat on glasses on.
08:36
I wouldn't even recognize them.
08:37
They look no makeup or nothing.
08:38
I'm like, who is that person?
08:40
That person really didn't look like that person.
08:42
How would you even know that, you know?
08:44
And so that's kind of funny how nobody knew.
08:47
That's kind of like the worst thing you want to have happen to you
08:49
when you get to a level of fame.
08:51
Is that nobody knows who you are.
08:52
And on top of that, like you,
08:54
when you actually make the assumption that people know,
08:57
and then like you're wrong that like people don't know actually,
09:00
it's kind of nice when you like maybe stay under the radar
09:03
and then you have people come up to you and like,
09:05
Oh yeah, I recognize you or I'd watch you on that show.
09:08
But, you know, when you, when,
09:10
when you make that conscious effort to maybe like
09:13
put yourself out there to say like, Oh, I'm this person.
09:16
And like that they have no idea of what that is.
09:19
That that's probably like one of those like
09:21
where you wake up from like a dream or something.
09:23
And like, I had this nightmare that like,
09:25
like I did all of this and like,
09:27
I'm like this quote unquote famous person
09:29
and nobody knows who I am.
09:31
Like it was, they said on the same,
09:34
on the same day, Seth Rogan was actually there, like,
09:36
you know, filming his like, you know,
09:38
filming his show studio on sat there too.
09:41
And obviously everybody knew who he was.
09:45
Yeah. Well, I mean, it sometimes happens to me too.
09:47
I get, I go out in public, you know,
09:49
I'm like, Chris, hey, I'm like,
09:51
okay, no autographs today.
09:53
You know, I mean, come on out.
09:54
I got things to do.
09:55
I got things to do.
09:55
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09:57
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10:00
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10:01
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10:02
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10:06
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10:07
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10:09
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10:11
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10:12
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10:15
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10:17
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