#081 - The Ferrari Luce, 2 Door V8 Jeep Scrambler, Hummer X, Best Sounding E90 M3 Exhaust & More
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#081 - The Ferrari Luce, 2 Door V8 Jeep Scrambler, Hummer X, Best Sounding E90 M3 Exhaust & More
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Car
Ferrari Luce
The podcast mentions a Ferrari called “Luce,” which sounds like a specific Ferrari model. I can’t confidently identify which exact car that refers to from the name alone. If you tell me the full name or what it looks like, I can explain it clearly.
Term
gated manuals
A gated manual is a stick shift where you feel clear, separate positions for each gear. It’s the kind of manual that feels more mechanical and precise than some modern shifters.
Car
Ford Mustang
The Ford Mustang is a sporty Ford car that’s been around for a long time. People talk about it a lot because it’s a popular performance model and it has changed over the years. The podcast is likely discussing whether it’s still staying true to what people want from it.
Car
Chevrolet C8
The C8 Corvette is the newer Corvette generation from Chevrolet, and it’s known for moving the engine to the middle of the car. Here it’s mentioned as an example of a model that kept going with its current plan.
Car
Chevrolet Camaro
The Chevrolet Camaro is a sporty muscle car from Chevrolet. The episode mentions it because there’s talk about it coming back with a manual transmission. A manual is when you shift gears yourself instead of relying on an automatic.
Car
Mustang So Mustang
The Mustang is Ford’s well-known sporty car. The episode is saying it has stayed true to what people expect from it, even as other things in the market change. It’s brought up because it’s a major performance model with a strong fan base.
Brand
Lamborghini
Lamborghini is a famous Italian car brand that makes high-end supercars. Here, they’re mentioned in the context of a decision about whether to pursue a certain electrified direction for one of their models.
Term
EV
EV stands for electric vehicle. It means the car is powered by electricity from a battery instead of gasoline.
Car
Lamborghini Urus
The Lamborghini Urus is Lamborghini’s SUV. It’s the brand’s “fast SUV” and the host is talking about whether Lamborghini was planning to make it fully electric, then changing course.
Term
hybrid
A hybrid car uses two kinds of power. Usually it combines a gas engine with an electric motor, so it can use electricity sometimes and gas other times.
Car
Ferrari Roma
The Ferrari Roma is a Ferrari grand touring car with a V8 and a classic GT layout. Here they’re talking about how many were made and when, which matters because Ferrari sells limited numbers.
Concept
allocation
“Allocation” here means the dealership/manufacturer decides who gets the scarce cars first. The idea is that buying one Porsche can improve your chances of getting another, more limited one like a GT3.
Car
Porsche Taycan
The Porsche Taycan is Porsche’s electric car. In this segment, they’re saying Porsche often sells Taycans to customers who are trying to qualify for harder-to-get Porsche race-focused models like the GT3.
Car
GT3
“GT3” is a Porsche 911 meant for track driving. It’s the kind of model people fight to get because there aren’t many available.
Car
Kia Stinger
The Kia Stinger is a sporty-looking Kia sedan. The episode is mentioning it because the speaker thinks it looks better than another car being compared. It’s basically a style and performance-leaning Kia model.
Car
Mercedes-Benz Sclass
The Mercedes-Benz S-Class is a high-end luxury sedan. It’s designed to be very comfortable and feature-rich, especially for long drives. The episode is likely talking about older versions because they’re well-known “big luxury” cars.
Term
V8
V8 means the engine has eight cylinders arranged in a V shape. People like it because it can make strong power and it usually sounds great.
Term
scrambler
A scrambler is an off-road style build. It usually means the vehicle is set up to handle rough roads or trails, often with a shorter, more rugged look.
Term
square headlight Jeeps
They’re talking about an older Jeep front design where the headlights look more square and boxy. It’s a recognizable “classic Jeep” look people get nostalgic about.
Term
SRT
SRT is Dodge’s performance label. If a car has an SRT badge, it’s usually the more powerful, sportier version compared to the base trim.
Car
Scrambler SRT
SRT is a performance package/trim from Dodge. “Scrambler SRT” means the Scrambler model in its more powerful, sportier version, and they’re saying it’s the flagship off-road one.
Car
Jeep Gladiator
The Jeep Gladiator is a pickup truck made by Jeep. It’s built to handle rough roads better than many regular trucks. The podcast mentions it as a larger option if you want that Jeep off-road style in a truck.
Car
AMG GT
AMG GT is a Mercedes performance car. They mention it as a comparison point for how the lineup might be offered or marketed.
Car
G-Class Gwagons
The G-Class is a luxury SUV from Mercedes with a very recognizable boxy shape. It’s designed to handle off-road driving better than many luxury SUVs. The episode is talking about higher-end versions of it.
Car
Ford F150
The Ford F-150 is a large pickup truck. It’s popular not just with individuals, but also with companies that buy vehicles in bulk for work. The podcast is mentioning that fleet buyers have played a big role in how the F-150 is used and understood.
Car
Chevy SS
The Chevrolet SS is a V8-powered sedan from Chevy. Here, they’re talking about how its used price has been holding up (or not) compared to other cars.
Car
G8 GTs
The Pontiac G8 GT is a V8-powered sedan that enthusiasts liked for being fun without costing as much as some rivals. They’re saying some of the ones they see are worn out or have a lot of miles.
Term
clapped out
“Clapped out” means the car is in rough shape. It usually implies it’s been driven hard and not cared for well.
Term
high mileage
“High mileage” just means the car has been driven a lot. More miles usually means more wear, so buyers often worry about what might need fixing next.
Brand
Saturn
Saturn was a car brand that used to be part of GM. The host is saying it could have been a lower-cost option if it were still around today.
Brand
Pontiac
Pontiac was a GM car brand that made a lot of enthusiast-leaning cars. The host thinks Pontiac disappearing was a mistake and that it could still have a purpose today.
Brand
General Motors
General Motors is a major car company that owns multiple car brands. Here, the host is talking about Pontiac and other GM brands and how common their cars used to be.
Concept
fleet sales
Fleet sales means companies buy lots of cars at once for employees or service use. The host is saying that some of these older cars were common because they were bought that way.
Car
Tesla Model S
The Model S Plaid is Tesla’s fastest, most powerful version of the Model S. They’re talking about whether it’s a good deal for what you get, especially after it depreciates.
Car
Ford It Model
Term
depreciated
“Depreciated” just means the car is worth less than it used to be. They’re saying that after the price drops, it’s easier to justify buying.
Car
Pontiac Vibe
The Pontiac Vibe is a small car Pontiac sold a while back. It was basically built on a shared platform with a Toyota, so it feels familiar in how it drives and is packaged.
Car
F-150 Raptor
The Ford F-150 is a large pickup truck. In the episode, it’s mentioned in connection with a high-performance or off-road style. The point is that the F-150 is a well-known truck that people associate with that kind of driving.
Car
Hummer X
The Hummer X is a new/returning Hummer model the hosts are talking about. They’re wondering if it’s electric, which would affect how it drives and how you charge it.
Car
Ford F350
The Ford F-350 is a heavy-duty pickup truck. It’s designed to tow and carry more than many regular trucks. The podcast mentions a special off-road version to show how these trucks can be built for rough driving.
Term
ABS
ABS is a safety feature that helps your brakes not lock up. When you brake hard, it keeps the wheels turning so you can steer instead of sliding. The host is using it as a joke, but ABS is real tech in cars.
Car
Dodge Dakota
The Dodge Dakota is a pickup truck model from Dodge. The episode mentions it because there’s talk about new information and even a possible high-performance SRT version. In simple terms, they’re discussing whether a sportier Dakota could be coming.
Term
car play
CarPlay is Apple’s system that lets you use your iPhone through your car’s screen. It’s meant to make phone features like maps and music easier to use while driving.
Term
Android
Here, “Android” means Android Auto, which connects your Android phone to your car’s screen. It helps you use things like maps and music without constantly touching your phone.
Term
cameras
They’re talking about cameras in newer cars that watch what the driver is doing. The idea is that if the system thinks you’re distracted (like not looking at the road), it can be used to judge risk or trigger consequences.
Company
state farms
State Farm is an insurance company. The host is saying insurers like them could use data from car cameras to decide what happened and how much you pay.
Concept
increase your premium by 50 percent
This is basically “pay more if you drive riskier.” Some insurance models use data from the car to decide whether your rates should go up or down.
Term
shut the car off
The speaker is talking about a system that could potentially turn the car off while you’re driving. They’re wondering how that would be handled safely on the road.
Car
Ford Ranger
The Ford Ranger is a midsize pickup truck. The episode is talking about how the headlights or lighting design reminds them of older Ranger models from around the late 1990s and early 2000s. That’s basically a style recognition point.
Term
JDM
JDM means “Japanese Domestic Market.” It’s a label people use for cars that were originally made for Japan, and here they’re saying the car feels like that kind of performance culture.
Car
Nissan 300ZX
The Nissan 300ZX is a famous older Nissan sports car. The hosts are talking about a specific look it has—its headlights—so it’s recognizable even today.
Term
T tops
“T tops” are a type of roof where you can remove roof panels to let in more air. It’s not the same as a full convertible top that goes all the way down.
Car
Porsche Cayenne
The Porsche Cayenne is Porsche’s SUV. In this clip, they’re talking about a weird custom version where someone converted it into a convertible.
Car
new RS5
The RS 5 is the sporty, higher-performance version of Audi’s 5-series. When they say the “new RS5” looks amazing, they mean the newest version’s design looks especially good.
Term
midsize SUV
A “midsize SUV” is a family-sized SUV that’s not as big as the biggest ones on the road. It’s the size category the hosts are talking about when they discuss Audi’s design changes.
Car
Audi SQ5
The Audi SQ5 is a sportier version of Audi’s Q5 SUV. It’s the kind of SUV people consider when they want something that drives more enthusiast-style, but it still needs to work for everyday use.
Car
RS Q8
Audi’s RS Q8 is the “sporty” high-performance version of the regular Q8 SUV. The “RS” badge usually means it’s been upgraded to feel quicker and more aggressive than the standard model.
Car
BMW X5M
The BMW X5 is a luxury SUV. The episode mentions the X5M, which is the higher-performance version of the X5. The point is that it’s bigger and meant to drive more powerfully than the regular model.
Car
Honda pilot
The Honda Pilot is a three-row family SUV aimed at carrying people and gear comfortably. Here, the host mentions loving the Pilot as an alternative “family hauler” choice.
Car
Explorer ST
The Ford Explorer ST is a sportier Explorer meant for families who want more punch. The host says the newer (2020s) interior was redesigned and they got rid of the awkward vertical screen setup.
Term
vertical infotainment
Infotainment is the screen and controls for things like music and navigation. “Vertical infotainment” means the screen stands up like a tablet in portrait mode, which the host thinks is annoying.
Term
PPF
PPF is a clear protective film that you put on your car’s paint. It helps protect against rock chips and small scratches, and the speaker says their vehicle has it covering the whole front.
Car
suburban
The Chevrolet Suburban is a large family SUV. The speaker likes it because when kids and friends start needing rides, it can fit everyone so you don’t have to use two cars.
Term
bagged
“Bagged” means the car has air suspension. That lets it sit lower than stock, which can make it look more stylish.
Term
wheel and tire set up
A “wheel and tire set up” just means the exact wheels and tires on the car. Changing them can change how the car looks and how it drives.
Car
Lexus GSF
The Lexus GSF is a Lexus performance car with a strong V8 engine. People like it because it’s a little rare and it tends to hold its value, so it’s not always easy to find a replacement.
Term
retained their price
“Retained their price” means the car doesn’t get much cheaper as it gets older. If a car stays expensive on the used market, it’s usually because it’s hard to find or people really want it.
Term
value
Here, “value” means what the car sells for. The point is that the Lexus GSF has stayed expensive even after it’s been used.
Term
Alcantara
Alcantara is a soft, suede-like fabric used in some car interiors. This episode is talking about how heavily it’s used in that particular car’s interior.
Car
BMW E90
The BMW 3 Series is a luxury car that’s meant to feel sporty to drive. The episode mentions older versions called E90 and E92, which are specific model generations. People talk about them because they’re well-known and often chosen by enthusiasts.
Term
exhaust
“Exhaust” is the system that sends engine fumes out of the car. People change it to change how the car sounds.
LIVE
Hold your horses, Nick, hold your horses, all right?
There's a lot to get to, but we gotta go ahead
and just start with the Ferrari luce, is a luce.
You're the Ferrari guy, you're the guy.
This is your brands, I should say too,
your favorite brands in 2026 so far, not looking so hot.
Yeah, it's not fun.
Hasn't been a good two weeks.
No, that's been a good couple months.
I think I'm, what can any of us add?
This is, when you have, I believe the ex Ferrari CEO
or chairman coming out and saying,
this is damaging the brand,
like you don't do stuff like this at Ferrari,
pretty bluntly, somebody who is in the family, so to speak.
Not only that dude, but he said he rather not even
tell his real comments because it would hurt the brand.
And he kind of let loose anyway.
I mean, we all saw the interior,
what is it, a month or two ago, it didn't make sense.
Then it makes even less sense now, seeing what they did.
The last two weeks of unveilings from two brands
that for the history of their brands
have pretty much had design figured out.
To be in this position says that we are in a time
when you have a lot of people running companies
that are trying to do a lot of different things
and serve a lot of different people.
We need to also say about Ferrari,
it's a publicly traded company now.
This is driving a lot of decisions inside that building.
And I can only make sense of this in one way.
And it really doesn't even make sense,
sort of like the AMGT.
I think they believe they're going to attract a new buyer.
Really?
I believe that's what they're thinking.
I'm trying to see it from inside that building
because I think it's boring for us to just sit here.
I mean, it's God awful.
Yeah.
As an Apple Watch fan though,
I do like the screen because it looks exactly
like my Apple Watch, which I know you love as well.
That's everybody, turn a podcast off.
No, you do not do that.
Do not do that.
A gentleman does not wear an Apple Watch.
Look at that.
That is the biggest Apple Watch I've ever seen.
I think they believe,
and I've heard from a lot of you,
defending AMGT launch is saying
that this is all about China.
I got a lot of stats on that too,
which I'm glad you mentioned that,
which I want to get into.
Well, because first of all,
people need to realize all of these companies
are losing tons of revenue in China.
So let's just talk about Mercedes.
You know, Mercedes total revenue in China
of their total revenue, I should say,
is like less than 15% that's falling.
So what are they betting on in China?
That would make all of this dumber.
Yeah, and it is.
Because if you have all of these Chinese brands
coming to market, the government in China
is going to at some point tell you
you better buy the Chinese EV.
Not exactly the most free society in the world.
So if you think all of these car,
pardon me, if all these car companies
are going to continue to bet on this,
quote unquote, Chinese market,
and that's the defense of all of this,
I don't think that's the defense of any of it.
So I think we're getting to a point
that we need to ask ourselves,
do they think they're actually going to attract
non-Mercedes buyers or non,
I mean, it makes even less sense for Ferrari.
But I saw some Ferrari collectors
who obviously don't want to get on the bad side of Ferrari
saying, well, I'm going to hold my judgment
until I drive.
It's like, come on, man, what are we doing here?
It's a bad design.
They're not going to take your allocation away.
Just don't say anything.
You know, don't make a goddamn Instagram video.
It's not that big a deal, bud.
Don't make a goddamn Instagram video.
That's the next year, by the way, too.
It's absolutely stupid for Ferrari loyalists
to tell people, well, I'm going to wait
and see when I drive it, but it's an electric car.
I mean, they all are the same.
If you've driven one microwave, they all drive the same.
It's just a design thing at this point.
Do you like the interior bits?
Do you like how it looks on the exterior?
I've driven a shit ton of EVs.
They all are the same.
I mean, that's the whole thing of it.
And that's CEO, too, for a lot of people that don't know.
He spent 25 or 26 years at the largest,
believe it's like microchip or semiconductor company
in Europe.
So that's where your head of Ferrari
has spent most of his professional career.
Just so everybody knows.
Well, when you go to a publicly traded company,
they want a heavy hitter that understands
massive global publicly traded issues.
Yeah, especially in tech, if possible.
Yeah, well, and Ferrari has to go through a transformation.
When shareholders are involved,
you can't operate it like Enzo Ferrari.
No.
Like you have to keep the heritage,
to keep the loyalist around,
but you're being asked a separate question at Ferrari
that for decades and decades and decades,
it was never asked.
Nobody knew their financials.
Nobody knew what was going on.
That shit's public, man.
So you're gonna have to play a different game.
And I think when you look at this,
it's an abomination for the brand.
Just like I think AMG GT is.
I don't think this helps you in any way, shape, or form.
And if it's for China,
then go into China and do the unveiling.
Right?
There's plenty of vehicles.
We're doing this podcast from the US.
There's plenty of vehicles that get sold globally
that nobody in the US ever gets visibility on.
So that's really the defense.
Why they got Brad Pitt and Blink 182
and blocking off bridges.
And why are they doing that if it's about China?
That doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Yeah, you don't bring my favorite drummer as a kid
into this whole picture and you're doing it for China.
Are you crazy?
Are you joking?
Lost my mind.
This is as bad as it gets, right?
And for all of you anti-EV people,
you have a point now because essentially,
you can throw the EV part out of it and go,
who the hell builds a car that looks like this?
And then the CEO is doubling down saying
they've already got orders.
They've already got people.
Of course he is.
Of course, right?
By the way, just like if you want to get
on the GT3 allocation list, go buy three Taycans.
And then sell them all,
all three of them for the price of, you know, one.
Of a hamburger.
Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, you know, people have talked about this
and I know guys have shown this.
They wanted to get a GT3.
They walked in the dealership and say,
what do you need to get rid of?
What do you think they said?
We need to sell Taycan.
Cool, give me three of those in that GT3.
Happens all the time.
And name your first kid Porsche.
Exactly.
I mean, so Ferrari being like, we have orders.
Yeah, man, because they want to stay on your list.
I mean, that's exactly why you have orders.
It was in a funny way.
It was an exhausting week because we were like,
we're about to ride the high of the Mercedes Unveil.
And then Ferrari said, hold my wine, right?
Hold my champagne.
Hold my sauvignon blanc, all right?
While we release the worst thing you've seen in 2026.
So we don't have any reels for that out yet,
obviously, because we're recording it now,
but I couldn't handle the amount of craziness
going on on the internet with that reveal,
obviously, combined with Mercedes.
And like you said, just at the top of the show,
it would be kind of boring to just repeat
the same thing most people have said.
So I do want to go down the path that you were trying
to describe of like what they're saying.
And we kind of touched on it with the CEO
and being a publicly traded company,
but for the purists and vented it best
because it's funny that this blue
is kind of like his Ferrari blue, right?
So when he did what we got, what we really wanted
kind of thing, and we've said it several times
and you've been screaming it from a rooftop,
you know, and it has pleasant of a ways
and it can do that those cars aren't coming back.
Do you really think that for Ferrari,
those cars aren't coming back?
I think the fact that they are watching gated manuals
go through the roof and they're essentially not.
So the whole defense of building EVs for these companies
is it allows them to build the cool stuff, right?
Cause they can meet the regulations,
then we can build our cool stuff.
They're playing the game.
And they have to, right?
So for all you people that say, well, why is this V8 gone?
And why is it, there's a game,
everybody's playing globally to try to operate
in all these different government regulations
of really the EU and the US, right?
The fact that they haven't really started to indicate
they're gonna bet on, even if it's low production,
you know, many different models with gated manuals,
I find it strange.
They know that's what people are buying.
So I'm not saying it's never coming back.
I'm saying the indications are,
they're not connected to the people that listen to us.
Most of these brands have completely disconnected
from heritage, from what's going on in the collector market,
from what people love, from what,
I think they're just,
they are just gonna operate and say,
this is what we think we need to do.
We've met our regulations.
Let's build a couple of cool cars.
Those cool cars aren't gonna be old school, cool.
They're just gonna be whatever we think is cool right now.
For us, I would say that about a lot of brands, right?
Like, you know, we've had this conversation about Mustang.
You know, them not going and rethinking Mustang says,
hey, man, we're just gonna ride this thing out.
Oh, they're right.
They're right.
We're just gonna ride this thing out.
That's what makes C8 Corvette, you know what?
You're talking about it's been out, you know,
67 years now.
But funny enough, funny enough since you brought that up.
Isn't it funny that Mustang has held onto this thing
that they're kind of really riding out,
but now we're hearing SRT and Dodge bringing back around
manuals possibly and more pony cars,
muscle cars, wherever you wanna call them.
You know, we know that Camaro's coming back with a manual.
We talked about last week, maybe a four door Chevy SS.
So Mustang kind of held its ground
and now they're kind of coming back around
to where they're gonna follow suit,
essentially kind of sort of with Mustang.
Yeah, but then you get into brands like Ferrari, right?
You know, we've said this a lot about companies
like Aston Martin and Maserati fits this.
They just don't seem to be connected
and going back and doing cool stuff.
Which is weird because they have dozens of the top YouTubers
going into their facilities every week.
Yeah, yeah, no, no, you're exactly right.
I, Luce is one of those things
that I think we look at right now.
And many, I guess everybody that's listening to this
would be like, I don't even know how the hell this happened.
Right, like, is it pretty safe to say
you think that's a hundred percent of the population?
Yeah, because the shot heard around the world
from you would have been when Lamborghini said,
we're not gonna do this.
We're also not even thinking about the Urus being an EV anymore.
We're just axing it all together.
And meanwhile, Ferrari says, plow ahead, let's go.
Get him boys.
Well, they do have the Urus hybrid, right?
So they did it on some level,
but they did say, hey, we're just gonna punt this
down the road a little bit.
I think I'm kind of with,
when something has a hundred percent disapproval
and I have not seen anybody,
and I guess I probably wouldn't
because of the people I follow, but...
You mean other than Lewis Hamilton and...
Well, yeah, I mean, when you drive for them,
you know, when you drive for them, I'm sure.
This sucks, man.
You know, one of the things, my five year old,
one of the books in her room is the history of Ferrari.
Like that's, you know, we grew up,
she grew up in her early years when we read at night.
Like that's what she wanted, you know,
because they had colorful pictures and cool cars
and shit like that.
Sure, that's why he gave her the book.
You better learn the history of one of the best
automotive brands ever.
It's just a book we had, she took to it.
So it's one of these brands, man.
Like it's meant a lot to my career.
You know, I've worked with a lot of collectors in that world
and I look at it, this is not gonna destroy the brand.
I think everybody needs to relax, okay?
There's no fun in that.
Yeah, a lot of bad cars get built, okay, by every brand.
So I think people need to,
and I think this is the worthy conversation to have
and I'm kind of stumbling over this
because I don't really know how to have this conversation.
Yeah, for sure.
You and I are talking about some different things
business-wise behind the scenes.
And one of the things I think brands like Ferrari
and Mercedes in the last two weeks don't understand,
you're not gonna sink your company by doing stuff like this.
It's just not gonna happen.
These are legacy brands,
they'll always find a way to stay afloat.
I mean, dude, if Maserati's afloat,
if McLaren has survived all of their ups and downs
and multiple bankruptcy runs,
these car companies are gonna stick around.
The one thing you can't do if you're a Mercedes,
a Ferrari, a BMW, a Ford, it doesn't matter.
Now customers are waking up more angry than ever,
just because of how the internet is.
You kind of don't want people to lose faith in you.
And I think enough of these things stack up for your brand
and now you do have a problem.
Again, you're not gonna go under,
but you're gonna see it leak into your sales,
you're gonna see it leak into your global standing
with the customer in mind.
And remember, you're looking for the customer
that's 25 to 50.
You're not looking for the 62-year-old, right?
You're looking for the 25 to 50-year-old.
None of this shit's cool to them.
You and I are in that group.
Everybody that pretty much listens to us
is gonna fall pretty close to in that group.
When people start questioning your brand over an EV,
you know you're not gonna sell a shit ton of,
I think that's a bad place to be.
So in a couple of months, when we do get those numbers,
how many do you think they're gonna sell these?
How many units are they gonna move?
Well, everybody needs to understand
the Ferrari infrastructure.
If you pulled the number of California's
or Roma's that have been sold,
I think you're gonna probably be pretty close
to that number here,
because people are gonna want to stay on the allocation list.
Damn, that's crazy.
And by the way, for everybody that was bashing Roma
all these years, how's that look now?
Bashing the Ferrari California,
how's that look these days?
You're like, yeah, it's not that bad.
I mean, this is as bad as it gets.
And I have a lot of people in that world,
just like I shared with Mercedes.
I didn't hear one good thing all week.
And I think that's, we have to take stock
in really how hard that is to accomplish,
how hard it is to not have one person say something positive.
That is pretty wild.
So the initial rollout for the Roma was in 2020,
it was 44 units.
And then in 21, it was just under 1,100, 22, same thing,
23, 24 is when it kind of phased out.
Overall, it says between 4,000 and 6,000 units.
Yeah, look, they're going to sell these to the people
that they can bump them up in allocation,
they can get them into better cars.
I think, and again, this is what,
for anybody that says this is what Porsche does,
this is what Ferrari does,
Porsche copied this whole system.
Most of their Taycans being sold
are being sold to people
that want to move up the GT allocation list.
Anybody that tells you different
doesn't know how the system works,
because I can tell you an exact story
where a guy went in at the end of the year,
said, hey, I want to get the next year's GT3,
how do I bump some guy?
He goes, how many Taycans can you buy?
And the guy bought four and magically got a GT3
the next year.
That shit amuses me,
but man, people get really pissed when they hear that
very exact type of story.
Well, because here's the thing,
they've heard Jay Leno's story so much,
and Jay is the ultimate car guy,
that we, I think you should admire as a car person,
but Jay's story doesn't add up.
It doesn't add up.
If you own Porsches, but you don't own Ferraris
because of allocation,
you just like Porsche because they gave you an allocation.
That's why.
That's why he doesn't say something negative,
but it's a direct copy of everything
they've bashed about Ferrari.
It is a direct copy.
Ask me how I know,
because I know people that have bought 10 Porsches,
not been put on the list,
and I just told you another story
where the guy walks in at the end of the year,
saves the principal owner's ass on some Taycans
that have been sitting around,
and magically he gets a GT3 a couple months later.
So people have to understand
that this game will be played inside a Ferrari.
I'm not even sure they believe
they're gonna sell a lot of them.
I don't even know if that's why it's being built,
and that makes it even dumber
to not just go ahead and design it awesome,
and go, hey, we know we're not gonna sell a lot of these.
We're just doing,
who cares if you get 200 miles of range at this point?
We're not gonna sell a bunch of these.
Let's just not mess up the look of our brand.
That's why it makes even less sense to me.
I agree.
My number, you know,
if you could just get it to go to Starbucks twice a day
and then come back to the parking lot,
that would have been,
but it looked awesome, that would have been a home run.
Well, I think I would be interested in everybody
that's listening to us to go to YouTube
and make a comment on this.
If you are forced to build EVs,
which that's the position these brands are in,
why in the world are you doing such a bad job
at designing the exterior of the car?
And this is where I came up with last week saying,
my thesis or my theory has always been
that they're doing it intentionally,
where if those markets crash
because of government pushing them in that direction,
then you start really getting a crazy power vacuum of,
you want us to listen to you
when you're crashing markets around the world.
I mean, this is like an Eddie Bravo.
A hundred percent it is.
Shout out to Eddie, you saw him the other day.
But by the way, I think they're gonna sell a thousand.
That was gonna be my number, my magical number,
because you start making billions of dollars on this EV.
I'm gonna lose my mind.
If you make half a billion, I'd be like, all right, fine.
There was a thousand or so people that wanted
or had to have the car.
Look, here's the deal.
If you make $3 on it, I'm gonna be sick.
What are you talking about?
I need to hear that you wrote down
a billion dollars on this program.
Like I need to feel better.
It's not gonna happen.
I need to feel better.
It's not gonna happen.
You're talking about make money.
I'm like, no man, they make 50 cents
I'm gonna be beside myself.
This is, and think about how many people lost their minds
about Pira Sangue.
Buddy, you would kill.
Oh yeah, I want to knew that already.
Give me a refresh to that.
I know you just came out with the handling package.
We give me another Buddha Sangue, please.
I mean, we are down a pretty goddamn depressing place
the last two weeks.
I hope this doesn't offend you and everybody listening.
Nick, I literally, before we got on, I was like,
all of a sudden I was like,
does this kind of remind me of the 80s era of cars?
We're so many.
Hey, that's a good call.
You know what I mean?
I like that.
Okay, good, good.
That's not gonna age well.
Exactly, sorry people.
I know some people like some of the 80s cars,
but let's be real.
Yeah, it was a bad era.
Bad era.
It was a bad era.
I think you have to look at,
I am not sure, and I do wish that we could talk to some
of these CEOs or just design teams, you know,
and just say, walk us through it.
You know, walk us through what the thinking is
because I think in those conversations,
if they were really had openly somewhere,
I think we would get to the bottom of the answer
and maybe your answer is correct.
Maybe they're just like, hey,
this is not something we wanna do.
So we're not gonna put a ton of effort into it.
So you're seeing a low effort thing.
I don't think that's what's happening.
There's just no way you would put this out so proudly
if you thought it was terrible.
I just don't believe that.
You could be right.
But I gotta-
At this point, either one of us could be right.
I gotta believe that somewhere in these buildings,
they're like, oh, yeah, this looks great.
I mean, this basically looks like the mouse from Apple.
I mean, honestly, Hyundai did a better job
with their mouse, their Apple mouse car
than this Ferrari.
Yes, buddy, a Kia Stinger looks better than that.
A thousand percent.
And I saw people make that comparison
and I said, don't insult a Stinger that way.
All right, the GT2 package is really good.
Yeah, no, these last two weeks
are pretty astonishing for enthusiasts,
and they should be.
I mean, they should be.
Everybody who's in our world,
if it's your hobby, if it's just stuff you like to keep up on,
whatever the case may be,
you have to be astonished that these two brands did this.
Absolutely, and before we move on to the next one,
which is Mercedes, you sent me,
and I don't wanna blow up the person's spot,
but somebody sent a DM about,
hey, using some of the things we've talked about
to purchase a car where for the first time,
he feels like he got a good deal or he did it right.
He feels happy about his purchase.
I love that.
That's fantastic.
It's, guys, we've given you the basics.
It's all you.
When you use the basics, it's car buying at a dealership
and someone's backyard in a parking lot.
I don't care where you buy it.
It's pretty seamless.
You don't need 50 tricks.
As the buyer, you have the power, right?
You gotta remind him of that.
Yeah, yeah.
You're the one who has to sign
or hand the envelope of cash or cut the cashier's check,
whatever you do, however the bigger the purchase is.
But you get a DM from a guy like that,
and you're like, man, that's really awesome.
And then after I got that DM,
the first reel I saw was the luchae.
And I just go, I just go from, man, this is awesome,
to flipping over to the other side of Instagram,
and I go, oh, God damn.
Just roll over on the couch like how I could say it ain't so.
I mean.
But you didn't slow-mo like a movie,
the phone falls from his hand
and he's just falling and it breaks on them.
I will say this, man,
we are really far away in a lot of these brands
from what made these brands things that we all care about.
I don't care if you care about Ford or Chevy
or Ferrari or BMW or Mercedes.
We are getting so far down the road
that I ask anybody,
how do you find your way back in some of these brands?
Yeah, and do you ever really find yourself back
to the peak of, you know,
we'll call it either the muscle era or the early 2000s.
And you know, funny enough,
I'm starting to do research
on just driving habits around the world,
but I started with the U.S. obviously,
because I'm Marica,
and of course that's what I care about the most.
We spend a lot of-
So for all you in the outback of Australia,
you know our options.
Oh yeah, sorry guys,
I know there's people around the world
that listen to this show.
It's obviously a joke, kinda.
Not really.
Not really.
We spend a lot of time in our cars
and I was starting to make some stats here
and there was actually a report that,
or yeah, I guess we'll call it a report,
that University of Texas A&M here in College Station,
not far from me, did just last year.
And we spend 63 hours annually,
one stuck in traffic.
But overall,
since they started recording his dad in 1982,
we spend about,
I think it's 160 million hours on the road
every day in the U.S.
So I-
That's a lot of hours?
That's a lot of hours, brother.
I think it was the equivalent of like
eight 40 hour work weeks on the road every year.
From work to errands to trips to fun,
it's a lot of hours.
So when you hear people talk about,
and I've said this several times,
and Nick too actually,
sometimes driving to where we're going
is more fun than where we're actually going.
That's like 99% of my life.
Dude, that's for real.
Yes, yeah.
I mean, are you that pumped up to go to Costco?
No.
You're like, hey, getting there is cool though.
Yeah, getting there is cool.
But you know, some people do like going to Costco,
not saying it's just me, but-
We know.
We know.
We get it, we get it.
We get you guys like to eat samples like muggles.
All right, and take two.
We're gonna cut that part out right there.
No, that's take one.
That's take one.
I meant every word.
We'll do it live.
Do not eat this.
We'll do it live.
Hey, real quick, I got a pause right here to recommend.
Chris Van Vliet, I believe is how you say his name,
the big wrestling guy.
Him, Will Sasso, Dan Soder,
one of the funniest podcast.
Funniest podcast of the year.
Of the year, easily.
I've already heard it twice.
Yeah, it's buddy, it's so good.
It is so goddamn good.
Oh, man.
And for any of you out there that grew up this way,
when they were doing Dusty Rhodes,
which is a voice you don't hear enough of,
I was in tears.
That's Rick, baby.
That's Rick, baby.
He's reading the name through the phone book, baby.
Rick, gonna be Rick.
Rick, gonna be Rick, baby.
All right, Rick, I gotta go, Rick.
These loans aren't gonna cut it though, Rick, baby.
It's so good.
They were so good, man.
What an electric.
What was that, like two hours?
It was, but it felt like 20 minutes.
Easily.
I mean, it was, and then the clips kept popping up,
and I was like, I just watched them all.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Like, like, like, and so my algorithms
just Dusty Rhodes and Ric Flair quotes.
Macho man.
Macho man, what do you say?
Macho man, reading Rooney quotes or Manson quotes.
Oh my God, dude.
I was, it took away a little of the depression
from Luce.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And funny enough, when I saw that they started popping up,
which by the way, Gen Z consumes everything through clips.
They don't watch a lot of long-form stuff, so.
And by the way, we know.
We know, okay, clearly.
I started liking all of them
because they're from different accounts.
They were just resharing the clips,
which I'm sure Chris's podcast appreciates that.
And I even said to myself,
this will overshadow the shitty car news
from Rooney's game because I know I'm gonna get motivated.
I won't see 1980s cars, the Luce and the AMG GT electric.
A thousand.
And I won't see people like,
and I wrote your names down, Ted and Jay.
They kept saying, not just them two,
but a lot of the people, it's for China,
the Chinese market.
Now we're talking about Mercedes
because that S-Class, or the video of me talking about
looking at old S-classes or big bodies,
which by the way, I forgot the other guy's name,
who had 1776 in his profile.
How dare you be one of those guys
and then be such a dickhead?
You know, go to car gurus.
That's one of your brothers.
I know.
That made me feel so bad.
I was like, you're not America first.
He has a pocket constitution.
He just ripped you apart.
No, he doesn't.
He has a little red book is what he has.
Look, you go to car gurus.
You can filter.
Hey, what's Elaine say?
Are you a communist?
Yes, I am.
Oh dude, as a matter of fact,
guess what I'm seeing tonight?
The man.
Jerry?
Yeah.
You know, he's here like every week.
Really?
Is he at the spear or what?
No, he does.
I think he does the Coliseum, if I remember right.
But dude, it's pricey.
It's like $1,000, $1,200.
Yeah, we bought these tickets about seven months ago.
And I'd forgot about it.
Otherwise, I would have mentioned it last week
because you mentioned the...
Here's what everybody saw.
Obviously, if you guys haven't caught on,
Rob and I make a lot of Seinfeld jokes.
I am of the camp.
I actually don't like Jerry stand up.
And I actually don't think Jerry's
the brains behind any of it.
I'm a Larry David guy.
Agreed, I mean, Larry David's the man.
Yeah, Larry David's the man.
Curbier enthusiasm is like...
The man.
If everybody I knew saw Curb,
I'd say a lot more Curb jokes.
Most people don't get it though.
They don't get the humor.
Because most people didn't watch it.
Like the Palestinian chicken jokes you could make,
you know, when they're going into that
and chicken's so good, dude.
I mean, so I wouldn't mind seeing Jerry,
but here in Vegas, man,
it's like, you know, $600, $1,200 a ticket.
I mean, it gets pretty pricey.
Yeah, we considered, not considered.
I was like, hey, let's see what they're going for
in case we wanted to ask for whatever.
They were going for five times what we paid for them.
Seriously?
So I thought for a minute there,
I was like, that's a lot of money for two tickets.
Like...
Yeah.
But then I'm like, am I going to really...
What did they hit you for?
What did you get in the door for?
Dude, all in with valet, I think it was like $600.
That's pretty good.
Really good.
I would definitely do that.
I would still want to see them.
So don't let anybody take this out of context here.
But I mean, we'd love to have you on the show.
You know, we know you like talking about cars.
I hear you have a couple of...
so we can make a lot of jokes.
But imagine you pay $600 and you're like,
I can sell them for like four grand.
Like I was like, hmm.
Yeah.
Where's it at?
Moody Center in Austin.
That's cool.
Yeah, it's going to be super cool.
Have you been there?
No, actually I haven't.
Yeah, I wonder how the venue will be.
I'll take photos.
I mean, obviously the comedy talk of the world right now
is the Kevin Hart roast.
Did you watch the roast?
Or did you get to catch the clips?
I only caught the clips.
I caught the clips.
I'm not a roast guy.
No.
I just, it's done too often, you know, for me.
It's, you know, just like, I'm not a kill Tony guy.
Okay, okay.
I like the idea, but it just doesn't,
it's just not my kind of,
I'd rather just see somebody do a set.
Every Monday I say I'm going to go down there
and watch it and never have.
Yeah, I know.
Just never go.
I do a lot of that too.
I mean, being in Vegas, I do that about everything.
I'm like, ah, go to the sphere, wrong.
I'm not doing it.
How many years has it been there now?
It's like, ah, it's been 23 years.
Haven't been once.
Yeah.
Well, I went to the UFC at sphere.
Oh, that's true.
That's true.
Yeah, that was cool.
Was it the Luce, Noche, the Luce?
Yeah.
Yeah, that was dope.
So, hey, I saw that they're doing the construction, huh?
Yeah.
They got the White House.
250, baby.
I'm excited to see that.
I think it'll be cool.
Yeah.
And then Connor, obviously,
since we're talking to you.
Champ is back.
The man that we were just talking about.
He might get his head ripped off though.
No, I don't think so, dude.
He's got Max's number.
Nah, come on.
I don't know.
He's gonna make him feel like it was what,
like 89 years ago when he just toyed him on.
You're not a big believer in ring rust?
I am, but not for Connor.
Cause outside of breaking his leg and then getting stopped,
again, when he shaved his head and was like super weird,
he was like wearing glasses and being like a gentleman
or something, whatever the fuck.
He's looked pretty good.
Oh yeah.
No, he's had a great look.
I'm not here to bang on the guy's career.
I mean, he's done pretty well.
Did you see the tweet about the seats,
how they sold out in 24 hours?
And there was one seat left.
And he just tweeted like a laughing emoji
with the screenshot.
Buddy, I can't, he's the meter.
He's the needle.
I need pictures of you and Connor
when he comes in the town.
I can, there's some pictures I have of where
Connor used to live in someone's house
that owned the UFC when he was in Vegas
with the orange and green Lamborghinis.
Hell yeah.
But, so everybody go watch the wrestling,
Will Sasso and Dan Soder.
That's still top of the top.
After you get depressed for the first 20 minutes
of the podcast, that'll make you laugh.
Yeah, just go over there.
After the podcast.
But yeah, so anyway, we're talking about Mercedes.
Go to CarGurus, filter out by some older years.
You'll find 15,000 up to like $35,000
older S-classes with anywhere from 60 to 100,000 miles.
Do you find, and I'm curious for it,
do you find that a lot of people
don't know how to search for cars?
I do, in their comments in my mind,
I'm like, oh, you've never gone
through all of the big portals to try to find a car.
Yeah, and like, use, guys, use the filters.
Yeah.
Those filters are there.
Heavily.
To get where you wanna go.
Yeah.
You know, if you have eight grand to spend
and you're looking at, you know, $800,000 cars,
that's not really, you gotta filter it a little bit.
When you say you gotta filter out Hyundai,
somebody said, but no end models.
And I didn't see if you replied to that.
And I was like, oh yeah, I said,
yeah, I could find plenty of those.
I mean, come on.
What are you talking about?
I don't know, I thought you were gonna say something.
I was like, I'm not looking for end models, Doug.
Yeah, like buddy, I could find an end model
in about, I don't know, 1.3 seconds.
Good stuff.
All right, well, let's talk about brands
who are seemingly doing stuff really well.
And that is our brethren here in the US of A,
you know, celebrating 250 with Dana and the whole thing.
We got Jeep 2028 scrambler with a V8 single cab,
got a bed, got a desert runner on our hands.
I know for a fact, because it's some of the other work
that I do, people have been,
they've just been feeding for something that's like this,
a two door, a V8, something cool.
That looks, this looks awesome.
They got the retro front end.
I've talked about square lights forever.
Hey, that's the only Jeeps I recognize.
Fantastic, this looks so cool.
As a person that's owned several square headlight Jeeps.
Some might say it's the only ones to own.
Well, I was real big on Jeeps with those gauges.
I just thought the gauges were so cool.
So do you know, I was young.
Obviously I didn't know, you know,
I was driving a hunk of shit,
but you know, you didn't know what you didn't know.
I think this is really fricking cool.
Yeah.
Like this, I wonder, and I do wonder.
Yeah.
Will they offer a manual?
Well, they're gonna offer an SRT variant of it.
So I think a manual should be.
Is it only gonna be SRT?
Nope.
They're gonna offer a base all the way up.
Yeah, base all the way up.
Scrambler announced on May 21st during the investor days.
Will also convert a,
confirmed a Scrambler SRT badge model
as the off-road halo model.
So yeah, there's for sure, and a gladiator by the way,
if you guys are into the bigger one,
but I think a two-door VA, dude, this is awesome.
That is really awesome.
That to me is probably not gonna sell a lot,
let's be honest, okay?
But something cool that you can put on a lot of promos
to market your brand.
There's some more of these in Luches, but whatever.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, they're gonna sell probably more
than the Luches.
Yeah, I would definitely say the over-under
is more than a Luches.
But I think this is, again, going back to AMG GT,
the EV and going to Luches,
what Jeep, what this really Jeep and Dodge and Ram
are kind of doing as a whole right now
is I think they're playing the cool game.
Absolutely.
How do we make cool stuff to get your eyeballs on our brand
and maybe you'll go buy,
maybe that's not the thing you're gonna buy,
but maybe that gets you to the dealership.
And you said this a year ago.
You said it a year ago.
All this off-road work, a little too late,
but never too late at the same time,
because people will buy it, they're always gonna be into it.
The older you get, it seems like you get more into it.
I have a, so right after that was announced,
there was another announcement, but I gotta remember,
I just remembered, when we were talking about Mercedes,
you said, and you were right, the revenue,
overall like percentage of revenue
that Mercedes gets from China is around 15%.
And falling.
And falling.
In America, they get about a quarter of the revenue,
but they only sell half the amount of units.
So in China, so people, if you don't look into it,
then you wouldn't know, but way more volume.
So essentially China is their move metal market
and America is make their money market.
Okay, and that's just the way it is.
We buy the higher luxury stuff, we get the AMG stuff,
the G-Wagons, all the top tier.
And there's a higher profit margin.
A thousand.
Way higher.
So when you start commenting shit like that,
like you gotta realize it's not the same.
Just cause you move more metal doesn't make you mean,
doesn't mean they make more money.
You would call this keeping the factory busy market.
Yeah, and a lot of, what do you call it
when you commingle your fucking manufacturing?
Joint Ventures, essentially there in China as well,
for Mercedes, so a lot of other things
happening there for them as well.
Yeah, there's a lot of,
I think not understanding how all of this works
and a lot of comments made off of,
I read a headline, somebody said this is for China,
so I'm gonna run with it.
It's like you just said, you also need to dive into it
a little bit more to understand.
It's, there are like fleet sales.
Let's talk about fleet sales.
Fleet sales are the same as China.
Why do fleet sales happen?
It keeps the factories moving
and they don't have to lay people off
and they don't lose good workers
that know exactly what's going on.
And so when you lay people off, you lose knowledge, right?
So let's say Ford comes to the end of the year
or halfway through the year and they're like,
hey, volume's not up, we got inventory piling up,
we need to go out and we need to really drive our fleet
because we can't keep stacking up stuff
on the dealership lot, which is kind of happening now.
And so Ford has always been, especially in their F-150 model,
driven very heavy by fleet companies,
big construction companies, you drive around Vegas, man.
I mean, it's an F-150 construction market.
Like they just sell the piss out of F-150s and F-150s
and they do that because, I mean, some of this stuff,
not only is it not profitable, it's break even.
I mean, it's break, dead break even.
And so they don't really wanna be in that,
but they're in it because it keeps the factories operational.
Yeah, and when you look at the price differences,
after you do the exchange rates
with just using China and America for the examples,
it's crazy what Chinese people will pay for cars
and how high they're willing to go versus Americans.
And I know they're not always spec the same,
which is why you make more money in America,
but we've talked about this too.
If you're so bitchy about the prices,
if you just stopped signing on the dotted line
for these inflated prices, they would go down.
Oh, 100%.
The consumer doesn't, as a whole,
not like an individual person.
Yes, yes.
The consumer doesn't realize they have all the power.
I know.
And because it's not, the consumer's not
this organized organization, right?
It's an individual person, each and every one of us,
and we're all, hey, your car just blew up, you need a car.
So you're just gonna, I gotta go get a car, right?
But you look at this in a real way,
if you stopped car buying as a country, like America,
if you stopped it for 30 days,
you'd collapse the prices overnight.
Yeah, prices that have not collapsed.
We talked about it last week where the Chevy SS price is right.
Well, in that same search journey that I went on,
I was like, oh, I forgot about the G8s.
And some people were commenting how the G8 GTs
are all high mileage and clapped out.
Well, there's two in Illinois right now,
a silver one and a red one, low 40,000 miles for $44,000.
And it's the GXP.
So it's the manual LS3 version of it.
And those look, in my opinion, so good.
Yeah, there's a couple brands inside of the GM family
that I think if they still existed,
would be pretty valuable.
I think the Saturn brand is one of them
because it could be a budget brand.
And I think Pontiac could just be this sort of testing ground
if it was still around and kicking.
I mean, I think in the Chevy brand,
you'd say Pontiac is the thing
that probably definitely shouldn't be gone.
It should still be around.
For sure.
But those are two brands inside of the General Motors world
that I think have a place,
but obviously to kick them back off,
that's probably not gonna happen.
I mean, those days of like, what was it, the Grand Am?
Right, Pontiac Grand Am and the Pontiac Grand Prix,
those were everywhere.
Those were like really inexpensive.
Bonneville's.
Bonneville.
Those were really big like company cars.
Yep.
You know, that again, getting back into fleet sales.
I think you look at, like you said,
there's only two of those
that you can really find in decent shape.
And people will bitch about the price of them.
It's like, but there's two of them.
It's literally the entire country.
They don't have.
Two of them that you'd want.
Yeah, well, literally just listed for sale.
There's only two G8 GXPs.
They didn't make a ton of these GXPs.
I think that it was in the low thousands,
if not around a thousand.
That looks awesome.
I mean, I like that.
Dude, this is totally you.
Like Vegas, just a loud cams going,
got the windows down.
The chop?
Oh my God.
Can you imagine the chop?
You were there with your little girl in the back
or both your kids and your dog in the back
because this thing has so much room in the back too.
Look at that.
Yeah, I like it.
No, that's a good call.
You were right to go down this rabbit hole.
Thanks to all the commenters that brought it up.
Yeah, this is the right.
See, these are valuable rabbit holes.
Absolutely.
And they'll be gone.
These cars will be gone in the next, I would say two weeks.
Just wait.
Agreed.
No question.
No question.
Bro, $44,000 actually for what you get.
A 2009, V8, LS3, manual four.
I mean, come on.
You want a lucha instead?
Get us a lucha?
Get us a lucha?
You want a lucha for 10X the money?
Yeah, 10X.
Oh, do you see the comparisons of the,
what was it, Model S Plaid?
Like the price of specs, everything you get per dollar?
The Tesla's, I mean.
People, to me, and I know people have whatever
personal opinion about Tesla and who runs the company.
Model S Plaid, depreciated, is a no-brainer.
I mean, it just is.
I mean, it's a no-brainer car.
I gotta, I totally agree with you,
but I gotta bring the sub-teaches
because I showed you the red one
just to see which one you like more.
I think the red one.
I like that one, though.
It's got the tinted windows.
The other one had a fishbowl.
Yeah, yeah.
I can fix the fishbowl, Rob.
No, no, no, I know, easily.
But can you imagine, why would you own this for so long
and not have a tint on it?
I don't have a tint on it.
Well, you know, people bitch about tint laws
wherever they live, so you better be careful.
Sorry, guys.
I tell you what, I would pick the red,
but I would not be unhappy with this.
Absolutely.
You know, I would not be unhappy with this.
Honey, I just knew what they were doing
for a short window in time.
Hey, look at that, look at that center console.
That brings back some memories, no?
Yeah, you mean good, clean, elegant center console.
Even though it was a GM center console,
that looks better than most.
Yeah, even though it was a parts bin, it still looks good.
Yeah, yeah, they parted it together really well.
All right.
Can we go, what do you guys got over there at GMC
that you got too many of?
We got some Pontiac View stuff.
Pontiac Vibe, I think it was.
Pontiac Vibe is what it was, yeah.
Yeah, Pontiac should still be around.
I think Saturn would have incredible value
right now in the market.
Somebody wrote a comment, this was funny.
He goes, every time I see a Saturn on the road,
I'm waiting to get into a wreck
because the thing hasn't been maintained.
Oh dude, I was laughing, great comment.
Well, let's stay on brand with the GM world.
So just showed you the scrambler, the two-door, the VA.
Well, looks like GM, can you guess who they're bringing back
to Chase Raptor and Jeep?
No, what is it?
The Hummer X.
What the fuck?
Is it EV?
No, oh actually, that's a good question, I don't know.
I didn't see that it was, but it now looks like it is.
God bless.
Wow, Jamie would have done more research.
You're right, well it popped up last minute,
this was posted two hours ago,
I'd already had my notes done for the show.
If that had an engine in it, you wouldn't hate it.
No, no, no, absolutely.
But now that you're saying it's probably an EV.
They did the, what was the Raptor box?
The Baja Shelby, something like that.
The Baja, they did the wheel in the back,
or the double wheel, I think,
they had two wheels on each side of the cage,
and so your bed was essentially not a bed anymore.
Yeah, I mean, I actually saw one on the road,
they did an F350 or 250 Shelby off-road Baja edition
that had the two tires in the back,
which with a bed that you can't use anymore, it looked cool.
Hey, what a good, useful truck.
It isn't, yeah, Hummer is pure EV.
Well, that looks pretty cool.
Yeah.
It becomes less cool with just an EV option.
It does.
And I wonder, have they just backed themselves
into a corner on Hummer?
I don't think-
Have they just backed themselves into a corner
where you go, hey, you know,
what if we just said, hey, we're gonna have Hummer EVs,
but we're gonna find a way to build some engines?
Well, I love that there's seven doubled in screens here
that go across side to side to make your dash.
Yeah, I mean, I got a question for everybody out there.
What would you even do with all those screens?
Do you have like three games on and then your speed?
Yeah, of course.
You got MLB, TV, and we're going on.
You're watching all the games,
Padres, Reds, Astros, you know, you can't get so over here.
You're watching all the umpires make terrible calls
and you're yelling while you're driving,
and then naturally you run over somebody.
I don't know, it's just what happens.
Are you a big ABS guy?
Love ABS.
I can't wait for the swing.
They're testing ABS swings in the minor leagues right now.
Yeah, I kind of like it,
but I just wish it were a touch faster.
I wish it was just immediate,
because I think it'd be electric.
I agree with you.
But there's something about,
and this has been happening a lot,
where the catcher will tap their helmet
and the ump's like over here.
So he's like, not even paying attention.
And he's like, I called it.
He's like, I didn't see you.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
So now there's like WWE going on where like,
I didn't see you tap your helmet.
Like, well too bad.
Like what?
That's like when a ref says I didn't see the guy tap
when he's getting some medities.
Like dude, he passed out.
I didn't see him.
I mean, you just let the guy pass out?
I mean, he tapped like 17 seconds ago.
It's crazy, but no, I love it.
I think that's a great system.
Should have had a long time ago.
People were like, oh, eventually we just have robo umps.
Like relax, little guys are still here.
I have a wild baseball take.
The strike zone's too small.
They just moved it.
I feel like because of ABS, actually,
let me take that back.
They changed depending on the heights of the player, obviously,
because of the ABS.
But you think it should make it even bigger overall?
I think anything to get guys to swing the bat is what,
I mean, I'm there to see a guy hit the ball.
I'm not really interested in a pitcher's duel.
As just a fan of baseball, it's like, can we just
hit some ground balls?
Can we hit a fly ball?
Can we hit a line and draw it?
Can we just get some action?
I think that would help baseball.
Watch your don.
You know, he hits like five little runs every other game.
Best batter since who knows who, 1,800 or what the hell?
Fun times.
I'd probably have, he would show up with a pink tag.
We're going to need to test you pretty quick.
No, no, no.
This isn't the Barry Bond era, OK?
Oh, it isn't?
No, no, no.
I mean, it's easier than ever to get your hands on the stuff.
Nobody's using it.
They got them on.
Hey, dude, hey, dude, dude, brother, brother, brother,
dude, hang on, dude.
The way he does his calm Hulk Hogan is some of the funniest.
Oh, so good.
Which, by the way, I got to watch the dog.
It's on my notes, dude.
Same.
You saw?
OK, OK.
No, no, watch it.
I hit the put it in my list.
So I get it recommended more.
And I'll just I'll just have the power through it.
All right, fantastic.
More off-roaders in the news.
How many off-roaders could we possibly
be seeing in 2026 come back at the end of the year next year?
I kind of alluded to this.
Mitsubishi says there's a new Pajero off-road
SUV that's going to be revealed this fall.
And I had read that it was a joint venture with Nissan.
So all we got so far is this the still of what
the grill and lights could potentially look like.
But damn, that's a lot of light.
It is a lot of.
Stop with the light bars.
That we don't have to buy them anymore.
They're already there.
But you know, people will.
Of course.
So you'll be driving down the freeway and almost pass out
and have a seizure.
Fucking cyclops over here just burning you
as you're driving in the direction.
I mean, we now all have to wear special glasses around these.
Like when you get your eyes dilated.
I mean, the thing that I mean, I like
that they're bringing this back.
The thing I'm going to the hill I'm going to die on is that
right there.
This is so good.
This is so good.
That Montero right there was one of my all-time wanted
to own SUVs when I was younger.
I agree.
I just thought it was so goddamn cool.
Yep.
Why, dude?
Why?
Why did we think this was so cool?
Because it's cool.
It just but there's something about the look of it
that you just look at and you're like,
it's the proportions are great.
The lights are amazing.
I got a picture in my phone.
Maybe I'll post it on Instagram stories.
I just saw one of these in pretty mint condition.
You ask if it was.
I got to tell you, it's it's still cool in person.
I don't think it's that's one of those cars
that never photoed the right way.
Yeah.
Like right there, you're just like, what are you talking about?
But when you see it in person, you're like, yeah.
And it's a nostalgia thing, probably.
I mean, there's going to be a lot of people
that just go, that's ugly as hell.
But when you see those in person, I and I want to say something
like it was eight miles a gallon or something like that.
That makes sense.
I mean, kind of a rough time to buy one of those now.
I'm going to need to gas prices to fall
before we start looking at mint Monteros.
Ah, come on.
You're not going to drive it a lot anyway.
I literally can get to my mailbox and back
and I need to fill up the thing that.
But I'm glad and I think I want.
I just want more cool stuff in the US
and I don't really care what brand brings it back
or what brand is doing it.
Mitsubishi is one of those brands
that has lost so much ground in the US
that it's almost something you can't describe.
Right. Yeah, it's kind of like almost
like a controlled demolition is some might say.
Yeah, and they just lost complete control of the market.
So I'm glad they're doing this.
I'd like to learn a little bit more
about what Nissan's role in this.
I wonder if it's just the use of Nissan's production lines.
Yeah, that and I think it's based off of the Titan, not the Titan.
There was another vehicle that it was mentioned in another article,
regardless, resources, combining those.
I mean, are they going to do the frontier?
They're going to do it off the frontier platform.
Chassis, etc.
Yeah, I have to look.
There wasn't a whole bunch of details,
but it is supposed to be kind of debuted or announced later this fall
or this fall in this year.
I wonder if that would be a SEMA thing.
Oh, of course.
I didn't think about that.
Yeah, I'll be there like, oh, man, they screwed this up.
Look at all this shit on here.
She's going to get attacked.
One of these years, you're just going to be everyone's going to look over like,
it's that guy talk shit on that one podcast.
Like, oh, we're so light for this.
Look at this thing.
Dude, I.
I mean, if they brought Monteiro, Pajero,
they revamped some of their midsize.
Why couldn't they get some market share?
And I think they could, especially if Kia and what is it?
The task that not the is the Tasman.
I think it was Kia Hyundai.
That whole thing has what was it called?
The Tasmania or something, something like that.
If that comes into the market, obviously dodge.
More Dakota news came out.
Even a Dakota SRT variant is supposed to be coming to the market.
So we're a little bit disappointed at the size of Dakota,
at least what we're seeing, at least what we're seeing so far.
Yeah. So hopefully it's obviously smaller when they actually show it.
But because the Rams are already so big, you're just going to make a Dakota
the size of your quad, you know, quad cap, that's what I'm asking.
That's silly. Look, that's what I'm.
These are your people, not mine.
They're our people, Nick. All right. Oh, they're all now.
He's the aristocrat today.
Talking about Luches and Mercedes.
No, no, I bashed the Luches.
You can't call me an aristocrat. I bashed it.
You said they're my people. They're our people.
We're all in this together.
We are all in this. Yes, we all have little red books
in one pocket and constitutions in the other.
OK, everybody's got to be pleased these days.
Can't hurt feelings.
People will go up and on.
That's funny. Silly people.
But no, that's I think that's great.
I hope we see more of that stuff.
I got a really random one for you here.
The Rivian Software Chief, he said that car play and Android Auto
are redundant in the world of AI and that eventually they'll just be AI
instead of individual apps for the things you want to do in your car.
I thought this was.
Here's the thing, I don't think I'm smart enough
to even understand what he's talking about.
No, don't do that. I mean.
I think there's something about AI that makes all of us uneasy.
OK, yeah, the thing that's also driving uneasiness
is these guys saying all of this stuff is about to happen.
And then the shit never happens and never to the degree that they're
describing and never.
I mean, so for all the people and there's certain automotive journalists
that are so pro Rivian and so anti Tesla because of Elon,
because their their idea is, well, Elon's made all these promises.
Well, Rivian's done the same.
Right.
Rivian was supposed to have a 40000 dollar or two or whatever.
And the one they released was like 68 grand.
So I guess what the AI thing and this is another thing
I'd like to see people in the comments, I think a lot of the uneasiness is
like they've been saying this shit for six years that everything's right around
the corner and none of it's really been right around the corner.
And also they attack things that they already know that make people love
the interior of their cars or the driving experience of their car.
Yeah, that's a good call.
Like you're just going after things.
People are like, hey, this works well.
Engine, get out of here, car plate.
Don't eat it. What?
Yeah. Does anybody say, you know what, I hate car play or I hate Android?
I don't think anybody's everybody's like, hey, I know how my phone operates
and it operates like my phone and it's pretty intuitive.
And, you know, maybe it's a little slow in some vehicles and faster in others.
But is anybody really like, I hate this?
No, because what we're seeing is we're just going to have more cameras
in the cars watching us as we drive, all right, so that we can get claims
from our insurance or tax like state farms.
We like, hey, we saw that you kind of took your eyes off the road.
All right, we're going to increase your premium by 50 percent.
You know, one of the things I'm interested with this whole camera thing.
How are they going to shut the car off on the road?
I mean, they've done it before.
You know, we've had some incidents with historically famous people
that may or may not have had their car shut off, you know, 10, 15.
I think this tech needs to be slowed down a little bit.
In that regard, tremendously, you know, you drive in places in Texas
where everybody, you know, you're going from city to city.
It's pretty, you know, open.
Everybody's going 85 miles an hour.
So this guy in front of me is going to have the car shut off.
Well, how's that going to work?
Like, oh, well, he's tired.
We're going to shut the car off.
So does it just shut off?
No, it's going to gently rock you side to side to try to wake you up.
And then if you don't wake up, it'll just kind of like peruse you over to the side
of the road and then all the alarms will start going off so that you wake up.
And I hate, Dick, had you got to wake up?
Well, here's the deal.
What if you're not asleep?
Because it's saying it's going to read your eyes to see if something's wrong.
So, yes, all of us have driven tired.
You're saying you're going to have a hard time driving the cars and then you go.
What's going to happen?
It's going to veer you into traffic.
Remember when you were young and you'd roll the window down
and just try to get some fresh air in your face?
OK, I got to just stay awake.
I got to wake up. Yeah, I.
I think this is one of those things.
Again, somebody's pushing it, probably technological companies.
Yeah, yeah.
And nobody's thinking it through and everybody's just like, yeah, we're just
going to do this. It's like, well, I don't know, man.
I mean, you're driving in Los Angeles and it's not rush hour
and everybody's going 72 miles an hour and the dickhead in front of me
has got a car that starts to shut itself off.
How does this all work?
Well, the reason they can do that, in my opinion, is that when they saw
that they could just roll out self driving and, you know, all this kind of stuff.
And I see where you're going.
And he picks to this or like, oh, we can do any anything we want.
We can do any beta test we want to do. Exactly.
Exactly. Yeah. No, look, the fact that the consumer never fought back
being part of the beta test of full self driving, you're probably right.
This is this is kind of open Pandora's box to just try whatever.
Yep. I mean, if they told you they were just going to flatten your tires,
you'd believe it. Oh, you know what I mean?
Like you just believe anything at this point.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
You know, it's like, oh, well, Rob's eyes look a little funny.
We're going to flatten his tires.
It's like, I don't know, man.
Everybody's going 86 miles an hour on average around me.
Like we got to figure something out here.
Yeah, I got to tell you, when you're going 90 in the Raptor,
it does not feel like you're going 90. It feels like you're going 60.
Yeah, I bet. Yeah, that's that's one of that.
That's one of those things I I could see a speeding ticket in your future.
I hope not. Oh, funny story.
I was going through this small town called Luling, Texas,
known for oil and barbecue.
There's a train that runs through this town and the train is you ever get stuck
behind one of those trains that are just going super slow, right?
Oh, yeah, we have we have one if you catch it at the wrong time here,
right by my shop. Oh, it's brutal, right?
So once it finally passes, I was at this light, you know,
having to take a take a turn and maybe 10 minutes or more.
And then you still got to go through the little town, which is just one light.
And we're at the light.
And then I see this minivan, a younger guy in a Honda,
sons in the passenger seat, no tint on his windows, by the way,
which is insane because 95 degrees yesterday.
Yeah, yeah, that is insane there.
And he's coming up to me and I see the kid pointing at the truck.
And then the dad, he's like, he's rolling down.
I was like, Hey, man, we're stuck in traffic.
Might as well make a conversation of it. What's going on?
You know, a nice truck kind of thing.
And he's just like, starts talking randomly.
I was like, dude, that's so funny.
He goes, we got nothing else to do. What year is this? That's cool.
Cool color. Did you paint it?
He's asking all these questions.
It was funny.
Did you tell him you stole it?
No, I say, just just so you know, the guy that wanted to buy one of these,
I stole his idea.
That's how I got here.
Now we're stuck behind a train.
Let's talk about that.
That should have been the topic of conversation in my book.
You know what? Funny you say that funny guy.
When he said, oh, nice color, did you have it painted?
I said, no, I bought it like this.
Hibercleanstore.com to get it looking this good.
Is exactly what I said.
Is exactly what I said.
I'll let you slide then.
I'll let you slide.
Yeah, no, I there is something about.
Still to me, C and Gen 1 Raptor.
Yeah.
It like I told you, when I saw that Montero in perfect shape, I'm like,
yeah, I'm just going to stand here for a minute and take a picture.
If that guy would have walked out to that Montero, he'd have hated me
because I'm like, dude, what's the story here?
How long you own it?
How does it look so good?
Unpopular opinion.
You might need to trade your LX for one of those Monteros.
Monteros are sweet.
Yeah. And for everybody watching on YouTube, they don't picture the right way.
They never have.
I still think the picture looks good.
You did because you know what it looks like in person.
Yeah. And also, I don't know why the lights have always reminded me
of like Ranger lights, like late 90s, early 2000s for Ranger lights.
That's your and that's your that's your heart.
That that's your heart right there.
Like you want once upon a time.
It's just like your SRT thing because you own the neon once and once, you know,
once upon a time.
I don't like the way you diminished the fact it was the neon model.
It was still by the way, it was a Mitsubishi turbo on a fucking, you know,
Chrysler Prada. It was basically a JDM cars.
What it was. Yeah.
And I don't know.
I'm not going to go because he's a guy that I like and I haven't I haven't
watched his content in a while, but I think Hoovie might have been involved
in an SRT neon that was at a Barrett Jackson.
Let's go. That's all recently.
Yeah. It was a yellow one.
And he actually stopped.
He, if I remember right, he didn't buy it, but he goes to see these
in this good of shape and all original.
He like stopped and talked about it.
I was like, all right, Rob, watch this.
I'm going to look for this time to himself.
You know, I'm going to go find it and be by myself when I find this
video after this you just tell your wife, I'm going to you take your laptop
in the bathroom. You're like, OK, I'm just going to sit here.
I'm going to go come in here.
Yeah. No, I'm looking for properties in the hill country.
I need some time to go through it.
I've been looking. Good.
There's a if the property tax thing doesn't get handled down there.
I don't know. I'm doing my part. OK.
Yeah, yeah, I just need it.
Can you do it quicker?
I'm trying. All right.
Yeah, yeah, no.
But I will say that to when he had that neon on there, you're like,
yeah, you just never see him.
I know. You just never see an SRT in good shape.
That specific vehicle, those are you want to talk about clapped out?
Yeah. Oh, those are the vehicles that were ultimate clapped out.
Absolutely. And it was funny, maybe because we talk about it on the show.
It's just like that pattern recognition thing, like you talk about it
and then later you do see one on the road and you're like, I haven't seen that in forever.
It wasn't a what was it? What's the like a there was the Sylvia.
And then there was another one.
Oh, it was the Nissan 300ZX, the one that had the flat lights.
300ZX, I think it was. Yeah.
Do it look 40, 300.
I think it was 300 T tops.
T tops. Yeah, that car that looked brand new.
And in my mind, I'm like, you know, this guy has put a ton of money
into making this car look like it was brand new again.
And honestly, I'm one of those guys that think T tops should be brought back.
I mean, yeah. Oh, wait, what did you post yesterday?
It was a convertible, wasn't it?
Oh, the Porsche.
I did. I looked at it and then I didn't go back to it.
I didn't see what it was.
Porsche Cayenne turned into a convertible with wood,
faux wood paneling on the side. Is that really what it was?
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
And I got to tell you, I didn't think you could make it any more
unnecessary until I saw that thing.
I didn't keep up with the auction.
I got to go back and look at it, buddy.
It was like at 16 or 17 grand.
No way. No way. Who's paying that?
People that are like me, they're like, you know what?
I don't really need this, but I'm in.
I need to work on it.
I need to get my register hire.
So when I get, you know, go to the show tonight and be like, what are we doing?
Who wants a Montero?
I want a Montero. I didn't.
What do you do? A lot of that.
Did you ever notice type of comedy?
You know what? I hope he does.
You ever notice all these liberals get really upset in Austin?
Everyone's be like, relax, relax.
He's joking.
Did you ever notice there was a Porsche Cayenne convertible with
fallen forward panel?
I hope he does some car jokes, to be honest with you.
100 percent. I know he will.
As a matter of fact, I'm just hoping that he does.
Well, the last thing I had for you here was because we talked about big
body cars yesterday or last week, rather, the new RS5 has always looked amazing.
I think it's so funny that this subtly just kind of got, you know,
thrown out there in the midst of all the other big body cars.
But it looks awesome.
Yeah, at least they haven't screwed it up.
It's only a matter of time from a design perspective.
That that cord right there shows that this is a new era over at Audi.
Yeah, it looks sweet, though.
And it still looks good, though.
Yeah, not so good from that angle. Damn it.
Oh, that looks. Oh, that color.
Yeah, that's going to be a color.
That's going to be that's a color specific body type for sure.
Yeah, black, dark green.
Maybe like that electric blue, but I'm not even sure that would look good on this.
Just doing interiors, right?
I don't know. You don't need this.
That's absolutely.
And you know what Audi said?
We got the stitching on our seat from 35 years ago.
We're keeping it. It looks amazing, right?
Yeah, yeah, we're just not going to change it.
They have messed with their interior the least, I think, over the last 10 years or so.
They've messed with their midsize SUV, basically zero.
I love the SQ5, by the way.
I was looking at those the other day just for shits and gigs.
You know, when I looked at those, when we started having kids,
I looked at one of those.
The problem is there really is very little space.
I know. So, you know, where did you go next?
When you started looking at those, what did you get?
Did you get to Lexus next?
No, no, when I when I was at the lot, yeah, Q8.
Oh, OK, OK, well, fine fair.
RS Q8. I was like, hmm, this is basically a year.
Yeah, I did.
I did one of those things that it's not actually half the price.
Yeah, it's basically the same.
I looked at that.
Where do we go after that?
Oh, we went X5M.
Oh, that's good. It's pretty big.
You know, more space, but quite not quite as much.
Yeah, we took a journey.
We took a journey.
We didn't we didn't the the family hauler wasn't really a me decision.
And I made sure of that because I was like,
I'm going to point you in some directions.
If you don't like them, let's let's just get what you like.
So I don't have to hear about that's fair.
I'm I'm a big on not where I'm going to have a battle, right?
I don't need to have a battle there.
What was the important part you think for you personally,
if we're not just talking about the other half,
when it came to a family hauler, any specifics to be honest with you,
I thought a family hauler to me in my position.
I actually think the suburban's underrated.
So I was looking at like 17 suburban's, you know, like high countries and things.
I was like, you know, if you're going to get a family hauler, just get one.
Just get the real deal.
Make it a make it a family hauler.
Yeah, yeah, actually, what I really hate that I didn't do,
which is a great family hauler is to do the Gen one Raptor four door
because you got the bed and you can do a lot of things there.
I should have pushed that a little hard for you, though.
Then you really would have been like, yeah, yeah, you have.
So I didn't I didn't do the battle there.
I'm not I'm going to pick my battles.
Probably would have picked that battle at 25 at forty plus.
Yeah, I'm not picking that battle.
So we do have that channel and we'll end with this topic in the discord.
By the way, clutch dot club, if you want to join the discord
and join our email newsletter that doesn't send you a ton of newsletters,
actually, we haven't sent any other than the initial one.
But I ask you five some other stuff and then pilot.
I love the Honda pilot.
I've talked about it before.
And then I went back to the Explorer, but not just a regular explorer, the ST.
Yeah, those the 2020 five's got a complete redesign interior wise.
They finally don't have that stupid vertical infotainment.
It's so that was so bad.
And they used it for four or five years, six years almost, I think.
But three rows, lots of space, captain seats in the back, which I love.
It's under it's underrated.
Very underrated and there's no doubt about it.
Fifteen to 1700 of them for sale right now.
Tons of power, real, you know, really nice interior.
So look at those if you're looking for family haul or video vehicles, rather.
And yeah, I might might have to get rid of the CX five for one of those.
Are you guys like looking now?
I started just because we had some more sports stuff ramping up.
And then it's getting to the point where we might have more than just our two kids
in the car and, you know, it's getting to that age.
You know, they're in sixth grade.
That was my whole argument with suburban.
Yes, I was like, you have you have family visit.
You have this, but I will say this about the GX.
It has a pretty functional third row.
Does it really? You know, it's it's actually.
More comfortable than you think because, you know, it folds in.
But when it folds up, I mean, it's it's a legitimate third row.
I it was the right choice.
OK, you know, what I have much rather had an X5M.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
As useful. No, like that.
That would have been something I kind of would have talked everybody into.
Yeah.
But yeah, like this did the GX was the right move.
I mean, I'm glad we own it.
I think it only has thirty some thousand miles on it.
Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, but I mean, I've been driving it for three years,
maybe. Yeah.
And that's kind of like that peak of like great year, great design, great value,
great, all that kind of stuff.
There's a lot of people that hate the front end of those.
I never I'm not I'm not saying it's the best front end I've ever seen.
I don't have the visceral, you know, it's got full PPF everywhere.
So, you know, it's it's it's held up really well to young kids and,
you know, all the stuff that comes along with that.
It was the right move.
But when you start to look at family haulers,
I just don't know why I don't hear more people
leaning towards suburban for the exact reason that you said,
which is when your kids get to a certain age, then there's their friends in there.
Then you have family members that visit and you have this and you don't want to take two cars.
I think suburban's been and I don't think underrated is the right word.
It's just in my circles.
People don't talk about it enough.
And right now, honestly, I'm to the point I've always been up to this point
where we don't have a third row or whatever, where I don't mind taking another car
because I just like I just get to I know you don't.
Yeah, but if you're driving it, yeah, then you don't care, you know,
if everybody packs in there. Yeah, exactly.
You know, I just like something more convenient.
So, yeah, I mean, there'd be there'd actually be a lot of,
you know, go back to the V8 Sequoias, you know, if you get some of those
really nice, I'll say it, man, I see more and more cool Sienas around.
Yeah.
The guy that stocking yesterday in the town was in the Sienna and I wanted to be like,
dude, cool van, but he probably be like, he's just saying that.
But no, like, they're great.
Yeah, they look cool as shit.
And if you don't like them, them.
Okay, but I'm telling you, if you've seen
these dads who are like, Hey, this is the car we have.
I'm going to make it cool.
Like some of these guys have bagged them and you go,
I gotta tell you, man, that looks great.
A whole wheel and tire set up with, you know.
Hey, it looks great.
Yeah.
I don't care what people say.
That shit looks great.
And, you know, for a family hauler, the van reigns supreme.
It does.
I mean, there's just no question.
All right, last one, because I just remembered this.
You actually had a Lexus GSF in your shop the other day.
So I went to go look at those because I've always liked them.
I had no idea they've retained their price, their value as high as they have.
Yeah.
And the one I had in my shop was Matt.
So those are even, even tougher to find.
I literally talked that customer into keeping that car.
Such a cool car.
I said, hey, don't, they actually went and bought another car.
And kept that one.
Just to have it, just to keep that one.
I was like, look, I'm telling you, don't sell this car.
I said, if you like it, because they do a lot of traveling to their house in California and
they actually have great roads headed to where they, you know, where their vacation house is.
And I go, hey, man, he's got a C8.
They don't always drive that because maybe they got to take some shit with them or whatever.
And I go, hey, man, this is going to be hard to replicate.
Like you're going to buy another vehicle, buy the other vehicle and keep this.
Yeah.
Because I'm telling you, you can't really replicate that car as easily as you think.
No.
And there's like four or five of them right now for in the country for so.
And they're all like around 60 grand.
Yes, still.
That is that is a great, fun, the exhaust sounds awesome.
Everything about, I mean, the one thing I don't like about that car,
there's a lot of Alcantara, man.
I know.
Also that Alcantara dash, that specific interior was pretty well, I mean, well
specced if that's what you like, because it's way different than most of them.
Yeah.
I mean, you can get a lot of Alcantara.
They went a little crazy with the Alcantara on certain specs of that vehicle.
But I'm telling you, every time I get in that car, I just go,
they're not making a lot of these in any brand.
You know, I'm not even saying specific to Lexus.
You can't find a lot of those experiences for a reasonable price.
This is totally out of left field.
Do you have two more minutes for video?
Wanted to show you?
Yeah.
Okay.
So your car, E90, the E92s, we were talking about them recently.
There's a video that somebody sent me about a specific exhaust that just got made for it.
It's like different than anything else.
You want to hear this?
Absolutely.
All right.
So this is on a completely different level.
This might be the best V8 I've ever heard in my entire life.
And I'm just hearing it through phone speakers.
I can't even imagine what these people sitting on the side of the road recording this thing or feeling.
So let me know down in the comments.
Dude, that's awesome.
That sounds incredible.
You need that on your BMW.
Yes.
That sounds, that's right up my alley right there.
I'm reaching out to this company just for shitting gigs and seeing what we can do.
If you're willing to, you know, make your fully stock $45,000 valued car right now,
have some exhaust on it.
Tomorrow.
Tomorrow.
If it makes me feel like I'm driving a Ferrari, count me in.
Hey, there you go.
That's the attitude.
And by the way, that's not luce Ferrari.
That's old Ferrari.
Old Ferrari.
That's pre luce Ferrari.
Yeah.
Well, everyone's only going to think of them pre luce from this point forward.
Yeah.
It's going to be like before luce and after luce.
That's how Ferrari is going to be discussed.
Everybody go to the R flow exhaust and say, hey, send a sent clutch culture,
some exhaust for a E90 and three.
Yeah, that sounds awesome.
Great job.
All right.
Thanks for saying that over.
That's all I got for you, brother.
Have a great rest of your week and we'll see you next week.
See you guys.
About this episode
Ferrari “Luce” sparks a wide-ranging debate about brand reputation, corporate pressure, and why some buyers stay quiet when allocations are on the line. The hosts connect the EV/ICE shift to EU and US regulations, while also arguing that manual-transmission demand is rising. They get practical with car-buying and dealership tactics, then pivot to enthusiast details: a custom V8 Jeep Scrambler build, the Hummer X speculation, and a standout BMW E90 M3 exhaust discussion.
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