The Kia EV6 is a fully electric SUV, meaning it runs on electricity instead of petrol. The episode mentions it because an owner talks about their experience and being part of an EV owners group. That usually relates to practical things like charging and daily driving.
A rear camera is an extra camera on the dashcam that films what’s behind you. It helps if someone hits you from the back, because you’ll have footage from that direction.
The Alpina B10 is a performance-focused luxury sedan. It’s meant to be faster than a standard version while still feeling comfortable. In the podcast, the B10 name comes up as part of a discussion about why someone chose their car.
The Mazda CX-5 is a small SUV meant for everyday driving and family use. The podcast mentions it because someone had to get it serviced and the cost came up. That’s useful if you’re trying to estimate what owning one might cost over time.
EV range is how far an electric vehicle can drive on a full charge (or under specific conditions). The hosts say it was a top criterion after price, which is a core part of EV shopping because it determines how practical the car is for trips.
A test drive is when you drive the car briefly to see if you like it. For an EV, it’s also a chance to feel how fast it is and how quiet it is while driving.
“Granny charger” is a nickname for a slower, everyday way to charge your EV at home. It’s the kind of charger you use regularly, while faster public chargers are for longer trips.
The Dodge Charger is a car model that’s built for strong performance and a sporty look. People talk about it a lot because it’s a well-known name. In this podcast, it’s mentioned in the context of charging, which is about how you power a car day to day.
They say they still have a Mazda 2, which is the petrol car they’re thinking about getting rid of. It’s mentioned mainly to explain what they’re comparing against their EV. The conversation is about switching from petrol to electric.
Battery health is how good the EV battery still is after time and use. People worry it can wear out, so it matters when buying a used electric car. The speaker mentions it because they’re considering a second-hand EV.
A trickle charge means charging the car slowly, usually over many hours. They set it to run overnight when electricity is cheaper. The idea is to keep costs down without disrupting daily life.
Word of mouth is when people tell friends what they think based on what happened to them. With EVs, that kind of firsthand recommendation can be especially helpful.
BYD Tuggera is a BYD car dealer location. The episode talks about what it was like for someone to visit and drive a car there, which affects how people feel about the brand.
Concept
everything's bad at byd
This phrase describes a negative narrative or sentiment about BYD that the hosts say was circulating at the time. They contrast that with Greg’s experience, using it to emphasize that real-world dealership interactions can differ from online or media-driven impressions.
Dealer conversion is basically how well a dealership turns people who are curious into people who actually buy. The hosts are saying dealership experience is a big factor in whether customers commit to a purchase.
Dealer experience is what it’s like to deal with a car dealership as you’re shopping. The hosts say it really affects how likely people are to buy, and they want to hear both good and bad stories.
Charging is how you power up an electric car’s battery. If there are lots of chargers in convenient places, it’s easier to own an EV without worrying about running out of power.
Tesla is one of the biggest electric-car companies. They also pushed charging infrastructure, which made it easier for people to feel confident buying an EV.
This sounds like a brand name that got misheard in the transcript. The main idea is that some EV companies need to help make charging available so people don’t feel stuck.
Geely is a car company from China. In this conversation, it’s brought up as one of the EV makers that may need to help make charging easier so buyers feel confident.
Leapmotor is an electric-car company from China. They’re mentioned because the discussion is about whether EV makers should also help build charging so buyers feel confident.
It’s the classic problem where two things depend on each other. You need enough EVs to justify chargers, but you also need chargers to make people want EVs.
NRMA is an Australian motoring organization. Here it’s being mentioned because it’s involved in EV charging efforts that can receive government support.
Here, “infrastructure” means the real-world stuff that makes EVs practical—especially where charging stations are located. The point is that petrol companies already have a lot of sites on highways.
“EV parking spots” are the dedicated spaces for charging EVs. More spots usually means more cars can charge at the same time, so fewer people have to wait.
Brand
BP
BP is a fuel station brand. The hosts are comparing BP stations with different numbers of EV chargers to show why highway charging needs to scale up.
A “charger” is the charging equipment, and “plugs” are the actual connectors you plug the car into. Two chargers with four plugs can mean multiple cars can charge at once even if the equipment looks similar.
“Phase it” means doing the rollout in steps over time. The host is basically saying charging upgrades will come gradually, but highways need more capacity now.
Brake calipers are the parts that clamp down on the brake pads to help the car stop. In this case, they’re talking about the calipers’ color because it’s visible through the wheels.
Term
static batteries
They’re talking about batteries that stay in one place—used to power charging stations. The point is that some EV companies already have experience building energy/battery systems, so charging is easier for them to roll out.
Brand
forward motor company
They mention a company that doesn’t already have charging infrastructure, so it has to rely on outside providers. The discussion is about how that affects what customers can realistically expect.
Mercedes is a car brand the hosts mention as an example of EV launches that included charging perks. The idea was to make EV ownership feel less stressful and cheaper to run.
Audi is another car brand mentioned as an example of early EV marketing that included charging perks. They’re pointing out that those incentives helped reduce worries about charging.
Concept
anxiety
They mean the worry that you might run out of charge or not find a place to charge. Early EVs often came with free charging to make that fear go away.
A home charger is a charging box installed where you live. It lets you charge your EV conveniently at home instead of depending only on public chargers.
In EV charging, the “app” is the software used to locate chargers, check availability, start/stop sessions, and handle authentication/payment. It’s part of the charging experience and can affect how reliable and convenient a network feels.
Kilowatts are a way to say how much electrical power a charger can deliver. More kW usually means faster charging, but the car also has limits on how fast it can accept power.
“Green energy only” usually means the charging company buys electricity from renewable sources to cover your charging. It doesn’t necessarily mean the power at that exact moment comes straight from a solar panel, but it’s still tied to renewables.
Concept
regional chargers
Regional chargers are chargers in less-developed areas. The discussion here is that some may use backup power like diesel if they can’t get enough electricity from the grid, which affects the “green” story.
An EV ute is an electric work truck/pickup. The caller is basically asking: can it handle real jobs like towing, even though EVs are still new in their area?
The Ssangyong Musso is a ute-style vehicle, and the podcast mentions an EV version. It also notes an all-wheel-drive setup. The discussion is mainly about what you get for the money and how the drivetrain is configured.
The KGM Musso EV is an electric pickup/ute. The caller owns one and is using it for work, including towing, and they’re waiting for parts to make it more usable.
All-wheel drive means the car can send power to all four wheels. That can help it grip better, especially when roads are wet or when you’re carrying/towing heavy loads.
The Musso EV is an electric ute-style car. The episode mentions the all-wheel-drive version, which helps with grip. It’s being discussed in the context of cost and what features you get.
A tow pack is an option package that equips a vehicle for towing—typically including hardware and calibration needed to safely pull trailers. On an EV ute, it’s especially relevant because towing increases energy use and can reduce range.
A tandem trailer is a trailer with two sets of wheels. It’s used for heavier loads, and that’s why it matters for how much battery an EV uses when towing.
Excise is a tax the government adds to certain products, like fuel. The host is saying that when that tax changes, fuel gets more expensive, which makes EVs more appealing.
The BYD Shark 6 is an electric vehicle. In the podcast, someone asks whether it was considered when choosing an EV. The point is to understand what people look at when deciding which EV to buy.
EV mode means the car is using electricity only, not its engine. The host says that in EV mode the range is only around 100 kilometers, so it may not work for longer or towing-heavy days.
A hybrid uses both electricity and a fuel engine. The host is saying they didn’t consider it because it wouldn’t fit their needs as well as going fully electric (or fully not).
Dual cab means the ute has two rows of seats, so it can carry more people than a single-cab work ute. It’s the more practical “family + work” ute shape.
The Nissan Juke is a small crossover that’s designed to look different from typical family cars. In the podcast, the speaker talks about how it looks, including the front end. It’s being mentioned mainly for style and the way it’s presented.
Collingwood is mentioned because the host says there’s a sponsorship/partnership that might help with discounts. It’s not about the car’s mechanics—more about pricing.
BorgWarner is a company that supplies parts to car makers. Here, it’s mentioned because the speaker used to work in a factory that made automatic transmission parts.
OVO is the electricity company the speaker uses. They mention it because it gives them a cheaper electricity rate for charging overnight.
Car
KGM Torrez
The KGM Torrez is an SUV model the family is looking at. In this conversation it’s discussed in the context of going electric rather than sticking with hybrids.
“Utes” are a type of vehicle common in Australia—basically a pickup/utility car with a cargo tray. People are now comparing electric versions of these for daily driving and work.
“SUVs” are bigger, taller cars that are built for versatility—often with more space and a higher driving position. In EV talk, size and weight can affect how quickly the battery is used.
The Hyundai Ioniq 9 is an electric SUV the hosts mention as being able to manage hills. They’re saying uphill uses more battery, but downhill can help because the car can recharge a bit when slowing down.
In EV discussions, “fuel economy” is commonly used to mean how efficiently the vehicle uses electricity—often expressed as energy per distance (like kWh/100 km). Going uphill typically increases energy use, while downhill can improve it via regeneration.
Regeneration is how an EV “gets some energy back” when you slow down. When you brake or go downhill, the car uses the motor to help slow you down and recharge the battery a bit.
In Australia, “P plates” are for newer drivers who are still on a probationary license. The rules can limit what cars they’re allowed to drive, so it can affect which EVs a family can buy.
Cupra is a car brand that makes sportier versions of Volkswagen-group cars. In this conversation, it’s brought up because the speaker claims a Cupra model is allowed for P-platers.
The EX60 is an electric car that the podcast says will be coming out later in the year. The host mainly talks about how it looks and that it seems appealing. It’s mentioned as something people are watching for before buying an EV.
This means there’s a rule that limits how powerful a car can be for certain drivers. The speaker thinks the rule is outdated, especially as EVs and their classifications change.
CarPlay is Apple’s system that lets you use your iPhone through the car’s screen. They’re discussing whether P-platers should be allowed to use it for navigation while the car is stopped or moving.
Term
Android order
This sounds like “Android Auto,” which is Google’s system for using your Android phone through the car’s screen. The hosts are talking about whether new drivers should be allowed to use navigation while driving or only when parked.
Sport mode is a selectable driving setting that typically sharpens throttle response and changes vehicle control behavior to make the car feel more responsive. The host says their car is “very fast off the line” when put in sport mode, and that it’s allowed under the rules they’re discussing.
A “P-plate mode” is a setting for new drivers that limits how powerful the car can be. The idea here is to keep the car safer while still letting the driver use features like CarPlay.
Throttle is the driver’s control input that regulates how much power the car delivers (for EVs, it directly influences motor torque). Here, the host proposes limiting throttle to a percentage for P-platers to reduce the risk from sudden acceleration.
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and a car overtaking lane occurred car pulls out very very close it wasn't dashcam owners
Australia worthy but it was pretty scary stuff but what he was listening to at the time in the
audio was our chat from a few weeks ago with the Zika representative Andrew so shout out to Gary for
that. The dashcams the UNIDEN have a great range make sure you get the one with the R that's the
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true according to UNRMA so don't mark around get yourself a dashcam folks um 047657657 is the
number to text or whatsapp send us a little whatsapp or a text and we'll get that and we'll put you
on the list lots of people to get to on the show so we're trying our best to get through all the
calls so be patient with us but we'd love to hear from you thanks to Vodafone you can just
send us that text we'll get you on the show. Dean did just that and he's on the line right now
good day Dean how you doing mate really good you're a leap motor b10 owner mate tell us about that
decision well it's it's it's kind of a weird one we had uh we were brand loyal we had uh five new
masters in a row oh that's very bad the last one that we had the last one that we had was a cx5
and we went to get it uh service which cost us two grand and then they said it you know need
another four grand of bits and pieces of uh to get fixed it was a 2016 model so it was long yeah um
and it was a diesel um so we went oh let's just go and look at another master you know upgrade
as we had done in in previous years and um we went now look at the new cx5 and um were
underwhelmed oh so we kind of hopped back in our old one which kind of went better and felt better
and then uh went the wife uh the uh you know minister of finance went and um started looking at
different uh cars and um started looking at the ev range and then went yeah let's go look at um
a leap motor and i said well what the hell's that you know after looking at uh byds and um
kias and all the other bits and pieces um there was a few criterias that the minister of finance
wanted and one of them yeah top the list was price yep and then uh the second to that was range so
we uh went down to uh i think it's northern motors on grimshaw street um you know we're in
melbourne so we went down there and um brett the uh the dealer there said yeah you can take it over
the weekend if you want and um that's what yeah here that's it how good's that um and well we didn't
take it over the weekend we just took it for a test drive and both the wife and i were like blown
away by uh the speed the comfort the quietness the yeah but you know the the big screen everything
yeah everything that the master didn't have basically definitely take those boxes well
yes yeah couple of observations a sorry d uh your wife sounds like
she's a very smart lady very much so uh well she married she married you anyway so very smart lady
but also too uh i notice in your your text to us you sent us a picture yes there's a photo are
they paddled boards in the back of your car no they're they're surfboards on the surfboards
okay so that that that was that was part of my criteria for for a car was to be able to
was be able to throw in um surfboards and and i'm a photographer as well so i wanted to be able
to throw in you know eight foot um background rolls and uh and stands and lights and all sorts of
things so so that's so that's just with the back seats folded down yeah that's and that's enough
room for all the right wow that is generous space in my big yes it is it's it's very generous and
we've got two adult um kids that we we've been driving regularly every weekend up to shepardom
which is a two hour drive um and so you know at home we have the granny charger i'm just gonna
you know quickly whip off all the bits and pieces that we got granny charger at home
and then we go up to shepardom and hit the nrma um super charger up there and that that does
that pumps it up to like you know gives us another 50 in 20 minutes or something or 15
minutes i can't remember exactly how fast it is but it's fantastic so yeah that's uh so the experience
has been a positive one because most people and given your how just quickly how long was that
kind of research process from seeing the new seags five and going it's not for us to buying the leap
motor uh to be honest it was it was probably three days wow wow wow love someone who makes a decision
like that mate the wife is yeah wow yeah well we even to the point that we still have one
mazda we have a six not a six we have a mazda two a ginkgo which is the same year like 2016
yep and that and i and because you know a friend of mine put me under you guys and listen to you
know um some of the episodes of um the pickles guy getting on there talking about
battery health on second hand we're thinking of getting rid of the little petrol one that we've
got and getting a little second hand for the run about mate well it's a very smart friend as well
so in in essence with it with such a rapid switch has there been anything that shocked you about
owning an ev or has the adjustment been completely reasonable now the well i thought i would have
anxiety uh range anxiety but um no plugging it in and doing that like a like you said like you
know million times that like your phone it's kind of just tops it up enough like the wife when she
does go she uses it regularly uh more regularly than i do and when she goes to work it's only about
three kilometers away so it's not like it's going to draw on any any battery power so but and the
trickle charge you know we have it set midnight to six o'clock you know the cheapest kind of rate
can't remember exactly what it is but um you know it's it it hasn't affected our our build too much
so yeah well it's a weird it's it's what a great result we got it about 33 weeks before
the fuel crisis so you know going up to shepherd and cheer regularly would have been about a 200
buck return whereas now it's a $30 return son mate there you go you just ticked all the boxes you
have you knelt it on your feet you've got a great mate who recommended a great what about the people
that dean is surrounded by he's surrounded by good people yeah well played what's your mate's name
give him a shout out uh he's well he's gone and bought a chili but his name yeah is alex briggs
oh it's all right okay full name we'll look it up we'll google it briggs he's well played he is he
used to be valentino ross's mechanic hey righty hey let's just pick up that baby just drop that
let's go can you get briggs in the center's a text mate we get him on the show let's get him on
i want to hear about his ear it's fine he he's he's also the one to put me on to you guys so he'll
be listening to this maybe he'll get up enough uh enough courage to give you guys a call if you can
put up with valentino ross so you can put up with the two blokes okay absolutely hashtag 46 let's go
you know we can be on board i want to hear about briggs i want to hear about your geely mate all
right and also then you can spill the beans on dean on his missus uh because she's obviously she's
the brain to the outbreak but yeah that's all right good on you dean mate lovely to hear from
you mate well done and and good luck with the electric future mate good on you mate not not a
problem thank you awesome great stuff good to hear from here that's awesome what a great story hey
you know what you uh you got good people around you and you know it sounds like she's pretty savvy
she's not you know not not scared to make a decision no three days yeah what about that
also my new motto be like brixie tell your mates okay if you've got friends that are like oh what's
an EV yeah just send them a link get them on the show come on get them recommend the show to them
if you're listening on spotify you don't have to send them a spotify link go to youtube find a show
and just send them a link to that do that be like brixie okay if it's good enough for valentino
word of mouth that's good enough for the two bikes all right two bikes story electric cars
we'd love to hear from you now um there was a comment in the eftm man cave uh from i think it
was dany web shout out dany who's a long time listener um if it wasn't dany credit to you
anyway dany um he was listening a couple weeks ago when we were talking uh to oh my goodness what
was her name uh how many weeks ago was that emma it was emma on the central coast she was a teacher
if i recall right uh not sure about that okay but uh anyway anyway she bought a byd and loved
the experience of byd tuggera and dany goes just out of curiosity and then we asked to give him the
bow her shout out his name was nick and dany said out of curiosity i'm pretty sure i
remember someone else saying something positive about byd tuggera so i went to our good friend
claude for a transcript and i said can you just check does byd tuggera get more than one mention
on this show and claude comes back with episode 105 so if you want to fact check us episode 105
which was titled what does what tesla does best in the ion v review caller greg from the central
coast had dropped into byd tuggera and this was at the height of the everything's bad at byd lots of
paul was saying it was negative so greg had obviously come on and go main it's actually not all
negative experience he went to byd tuggera without a booking and the staff told him just to take a
car and drive wherever he wanted to no set route no conditions um and he didn't have a test drive
that day but he they offered it anyway um and we didn't get a name but then obviously a couple
weeks ago uh emma called out nick at byd tuggera so i think massive shout out to byd tuggera
not just for handling emma but also greg that's two massive stories and in a we're we're just a
little little podcast here across the the wider breadth of things that's a big shout out to byd
tuggera so that's the way you got to do it we sent a um uh like we did a little compile of
all the kind of caller conversations over the first four months of this year and
the number one topic was dealer conversion and the dealer experience yeah we sent that to all
the car companies this weekend said listen just so you know guys yeah this is what people are saying
this is what real people what the customers are talking about that's right this is what your
potential customers are talking about i think i was a bit of a narc i see i think i what
no i think what i said to the car companies was rather than just listening to the uh to
motoring journals writing their own reviews we're talking to real people talking to people
who buy your products and this is what they're saying that's it mate that's it so dealership
experience matters and if you've got an experience especially positive ones but doesn't matter whether
the negative or positive across any company we don't care we'd love to hear from you we want to
hear about every car every experience uh to understand the market in australia so we'd love
to hear from you uh be like brixie save our number oh four double 76576
57 send us a text or a whatsapp we'll get you on the show
ah there he is steven fennec folks uh it's like watching an aerobics class is that so
do you remember watching that show when you were a kid can i just tell you i did
i mean i'm sorry i flicked past it um what i just witnessed was nothing like a rubbish
or something just to be clear um we'd love to hear from you uh oh four double 765
7657 now uh our next caller is simon he's on the line now simon great to have
you on the show mate you're uh you made a comment on youtube which is why i said mate send us a text
yeah i uh was looking at the the current discussions around the um the demand almost from people to
say hey why aren't these eb manufacturers putting in to to build the infrastructure and i thought
well really i've never been to a forward motor company petrol station or or never driven a shell
car yeah why is it up to to those yeah um so i feel like the argument's sometimes a bit silly
that's a good point and uh i think we'll see you know what it all started though with tesla
because you know the first 21 of the first tv's that it was in and available in australia
was a tesla well first mass market eb right and what did they do they had a whole network of charges
so it's kind of the it was the field of dreams approach you know if you build it they'll come
so if they built all these charges you see tesla everywhere and that had an effect on people and
they they bought teslas and i i look at it simon and think to myself i hear you a hundred percent
i think it's almost insane and you see stories in the papers sorry in the online and stuff where
byd's launched some super fast charging process and they're going to roll out x number of charges
in china um i can't imagine that happening here but i think one of the reasons while your point is
a hundred percent valid one of the reasons is firstly we're kind of um we're we're tesla has
ruined it for us by by creating that conversation but also yeah someone's got to do it and if if
byd for example geely zika leap motor whoever you want to talk about if they want to sell cars
they have to give some sense of surety to the buyers don't they and so i don't know
car before the horse chicken and egg i just feel like you know my concern today is that we're selling
so many evs that the number of evs on the road is not keeping up with the number of charges
available charges at peak times because governments can can hand out money to charging companies even
nrma motoring group and uh ev and tesla they all get funding from the governments to do different
sites but the fact is those extra plugs i don't think are keeping up with the demand for cars
and that simon is why i think the debate is more about i don't think that byd should build charging
stations but i think that there should be some responsibility around how quickly the market's
growing maybe yeah i think that's absolutely true i feel that um if you look at the per capita
numbers and i haven't got them with me but um like before evs versus uh versus overseas we are
well behind in that way and we've got a lot more landmass to cover yeah and i feel like that that
really screams that we need to be doing something i would think a lot of the petrol companies already
have infrastructure in place on highways and have the the locations well planned for that
they obviously have got to have to future proof themselves anyway and i think
ampullet to some degree is already doing some of that as well but um yeah well if you go down the
here highway for example the the new ampullet pheasant's nest is a pretty shining light of
of how a service station of the future could look because it's a it's a they knocked down it used to
be a caltex uh it was a 711 they knocked it down and both sides of the highway just brand new the
whole thing so it's a big more like the old traditional roadhouse you know there's a hungry
jackson there there's a nandos or something and crispy cream and then there's a service
station you know your convenience store but out the front lots of bowsers and i'm going to say
six ev parking spots whereas down the road at bp marul and you know it's a traditional old
service station with one charger thrown in i think the new build is interesting i think bp is normally
putting in two chargers with four plugs these days in their sites i i think in a metro area so i've
seen them at at our tarman um i see them up in north rocks that's great two boxes with four plugs
is good in a metro area but then in a bp in young out in new south wales same thing two boxes two
plugs put more in why isn't why on the highway you should be putting six or eight of
the bloody things they're gonna phase it they'll phase that across won't they they'll sort of
modify i've said a lot of times and i don't know if you've heard it simon i've said a lot of times
show this that's elon's biggest asset is the scale of that network is worth so much money
imagine splitting that out of doing its own ipo it'd be worth some how many cars did he sell
just for that yeah how many cars did they just sell yeah but from people seeing the brand as a
charger i'm assuming simon you're an ev owner mate i'm soon to be uh currently uh waiting my order
from uh bordered in february so what did you get the prize bike uh zika seven x no hey another one
hey what color so i got the forest green because i was gonna say i don't mind the black but there's
in the channel i'm building i think it's in a microsoft parking spot so shout out to the microsoft
employee who has parking so they're probably a manager and creepy trevor stalking your car oh it's
when i'm driving out of the car park um there's a there's a forest green one and it's there they
must work early days because i'm gone by eight o'clock so um i saw it this morning i thought
that's that's nice it's a good looking car if you order it in february why is it taken so long
uh it's uh part of it needs here part of it is because i was a little bit silly in order to get
the wheels um oh we've lost hang on hang on we're back we lost you there you you ordered
something on the wheels what i powder coated the wheels black to make those orange brake calipers
pop a little bit and i thought uh that sounds like that the dealer you ordered the powder coating
yeah yeah it's first time they've ever done it um they said that they stuffed up a little bit and
massively underquoted me so i've got away with a little that's their problem
they've honored their quote and so yeah but i i've had to patiently try my thing you must be
days away from pick up that you must be hanging out for that 18 so it's pretty soon that's
very good what drew you to the the seven x mate oh look i i had a look at all sorts of um cars my
um carnival was running i looked going back to september last year i'm i'm was 49 and uh
had a life changing event where i'd had a stroke right and uh you know it could have uh could have
been the end it could have been a permanent disability thankfully i'm i'm actually pretty
much very good but um with that i sort of looked at where i'm going in life where my family's going
and i didn't want to leave my family with a car that is now more than 10 years old and getting more
and more pricey to run um what what future is there and and and that sort of stuff so i looked at
for the house keeping the cost down for them if i was to go suddenly wow you know what would be
right for them and so i get solar batteries and all that sort of stuff got those installed and then
logically came to the fact that oh maybe the car needs to be looked at as well and um i looked at
donated leasing offers and then that made a lot of sense to go ev from that point of view
i've always been a bit of a car enthusiast so i you know see that these things are pretty quick
and and that sort of thing but um yeah look i i hadn't really you know i'd always been a bit of a
bogan so i'd sort of said stuff like you know if there's going to be a fuel crisis i wanted to get
every little last bit of it as i came in with the thirstiest car around but now i'm sort of a little
bit more older and more mature um okay it's it's um yeah it's and how is your health simon how are
you today you're you on the way on the improve i i had to have a hard operation as well just
because that was the cause i had a hole in my heart that i didn't know about and and so that's had
its own little recovery period as well but look i'm feeling good um and uh it's sort of a bit of a
midlife crisis i hit my 50 in order to uh order to see what i mean look simon super glad to hear
that you're doing well and that your health is is on the improve but what what an amazing
strange experience to to have that happen and then you know refocus yourself on on everything
it kind of i said i assume it's just given you a different perspective on on life and what you're
doing how you do it and who you're doing it for yeah yeah i've lost 30 kilos i'm uh i'm um yeah
just being eating healthier and smarter and hopefully i'm setting my family up for a better
man you're driving smarter too you'll be driving so you might get that car have they given you an
update on what's what are they saying when are we getting it i think i think they're sick of me
to be honest but um i'm sure they want to get their sales figures up get out as soon as they've
got it back in their hands so it's all on the on the powder coaters at the moment all right all right
well mate can you do us a favor and send us a photo of the powder coated wheels when they're done
mate must it's gonna look sick you're right about the calipers it'll really make them pop mate
lovely to hear from you appreciate you're watching on youtube and and leaving comments
because it just makes us feel great that there's really people watching and engaging and that's
why we love it and i hope you don't mind me saying to you mate get in touch because
it's a great point about the charging networks you know it's not on byd here or anyone else but i
just think there's a balance between the the responsibility of selling so many cars and
then having customers going wait i can't charge somebody they at least that's all it's in their
interest yeah and certainly for companies like tesla or byd where they've got their own static
batteries that they make and that sort of translates across they've already got some sort of building
infrastructure for it whereas uh forward motor company they would know nothing about building
chargers so they have to be buying stuff at um you know and then on selling it so i'm not stopping
away for a whole month you know what i'm saying hey so i'm great to hear from you mate appreciate it
thank you good on you mate excellent stuff it's fascinating because you know we have that conversation
but the other thing do you remember early days i remember going to like Mercedes and Audi car
launches where they were launching their EVs and things and they used to come with like 12 months
charge fox or 12 months yeah they kind of they were throwing in charging because they wanted
to take that not just the anxiety but the the philosophy of it costing money to charge away
and it also made it so much cheaper to run like remember you're free super charging so the whole
conversation around charging and owning or selling a car and charging is kind of disconnected
apart from the fact that now some will either throw in or incentivize the purchase of a home
charger and things like that other than that the public charger thing is pretty much separated from
the from the retail buyer network you made a good point that you know they're selling a lot more EV
so they have they do have some responsibility to help with the the improvement and and the the new
having new infrastructure at least contributing to the the the thought process of getting it moving
i've said it so many times that i think that the person that the company that invests in EV
charging will benefit long term and if i if i'm the boss of ampola bp yeah i'm i'm trying to use
all of our capital to build the best charging network along the main highway for the future
and but the problem is it's the and i sound like an anti-capitalist but it's the way wall
street works you know you can't you can't spend a billion dollars on something that has no no
visible return for 10 years yeah you just can't but that's what needs to happen but yeah bp needs
to go we've got we've we've got the best chargers we've got a great app you know they need to back
themselves and go you know what no matter where you drive if you see a bp we've got you covered
what what that's the approach what a great approach absolutely and and you know what it's it's i think
it's more complicated because everyone thinks oh let's just put a charger here but you know how
you get a power they're going to know there's a lot of these moving parts and a lot of them are
just solar powered like how that would be probably the simplest solution is to have a
big grid of solar panels and then that that's the problem is they're they're green powered but
they're not directly solar powered you still need to put in the course you need grades and the wiring
that says we can deliver 300 kilowatts of power to this little box but that will top it up though
wait i'm having solar like so many tesla massive charging stations in the us have all got solar i
think you'll find they're there for visual pleasure yes they're charging the batteries
they're helping but in in the end there's no way those panels are charging all those cars
but what they do is they represent green energy and so if you go to i don't think there's a charger
i've been to that doesn't say they're using green energy but the green energy doesn't need to be
there it just means that when they go like like you at home can go i can tick a box and go i want
to use green energy only and i'll pay a higher rate the charging companies are choosing to buy
green energy only which is why they can say that it's it's powered by green energy whole other
debate around the regional chargers that are powered by diesel because they need to be because
there's no other power anywhere there leaving that aside we'd love to hear from you especially if you
watch on youtube leave a comment below we love that yeah if you leave a comment below we may
reach out and watch you on the show hey get in touch that's a good comment you're on the show
like i think it's worth the conversation that's what happened with simon that's how simon got
on the show he was nervous but we got in there uh oh four double 7657657
it's your responsibility to lead you're the you're the troop leader
all right yeah well i'll try my best you're the leader of the dance troop i'll try my best
never thought you'd hear that turn did you no never in a million years uh let's keep going
with the calls jeremy's on the line g'day jeremy g'day how you doing mate you got a
ute you got an all-electric ute i do talk me through it i mean i i think ldv had one that
sold in very small numbers and it was like 90 000 but you've got the kgm the musso yeah the
ev musso the all-wheel drive version um and i'm just currently waiting for the tow pack
and the hard lid to come in so i'm still using the old d max um during the week right so this is a
this is a business car for you you're a you're a trader of some sort they're all drivers of
380 kilometer range how much how much research did you do into your own driving i think is critical
here how much work did you go how much do i drive every day to work out the 380 and probably less
with load is going to be enough for you yeah um basically having a gardening business having a
pretty decent trailer a tandem trailer so maybe a thousand kilos of towing and then when you've
got your ride on as well yeah so you may be sitting at 1300 um kilos um so basically i don't think
i'd do more than 100 a day on a day that i might have to go out to smysdale with the the ride on
and then other days might be as low as 40 or 50 so it was definitely um doable for even if you say
380 half that range you still got 190 and that's plenty plenty so it what what what drew you to
making the decision to go to an ev and in an area where evs are only just starting to become
more popular than the ute space so what what was the thing that triggered you to think well you
know what i'm going to look for an ev um so back in 2016 i actually put a deposit down for the model
3 um that was after the the worldwide launch i think i did the same thing trev did too and
lost yeah i just gave it away yeah and then uh my son came along in 2017 so then basically had to
change tack and get the deposit back but yeah just uh there hasn't there wasn't many
evs on for the for the ute and then i was surprised they're going oh there's an actual
hey gm model that's all electric and um when when you're paying $140 a week um
it was just yeah i need to do something and with the the security of the diesel not being
available and when july 1st comes the the excise is going to be waxed back on and
a lot more pain and um whether or not we've got the the fuel coming it's um gonna be a bit of a
shock for the whole industry and i ask was uh was the uh byd shark ever in consideration uh and if
so no why so why not uh i had a look um my brother-in-law's got the shark but um yeah the
to run it in ev mode is like about a hundred kilometers arranged that yeah the to then actually
tow um it was quite right astronomical some people were getting 15 21 liters
for that kind of and the hybrid was just never going to be an option you either go you're only
you're only or nothing yeah yeah the the more so kgm um it's a bloody good looking vehicle it
does is nice it kind of looks uh more traditional Aussie style ute kind of low at the front end
but still juke dual cab it's a very good looking car i actually i'm flicking on the
website flicking through the colors you know it changes color when you change what color did you
get mate did you get please tell us you got blazing god you would have known you're you're in
landscaping did you get amazonian green i sure do you get the amazonian green picked it picked it
in one yeah that's nice too that it looks like almost like what a british racing green all wheel
good value too well i'm a collingwood member so i actually got you get abn um pricing anyway but
yeah it's being a collingwood member i got that extra bit off as well so happy days so how is
collingwood are they sponsoring collingwood or something like what's the what's the yeah they're
a major sponsor oh might wonder would i get a discount on an mg i was i'm a rabbit those
members too would i get an mg discount i don't think so that's a that's a really good point
about a partnership are you yeah i mean is that what because i got to be honest i think a lot of
people wouldn't hurt a kgm they might have heard it more so from its old saying on days but
like is that how you heard about it or did your research led you to it because you're in that trade
yeah well i used to actually be a factory electrician in the borg warner automatic transmission
factory in lavington and we produced the transmissions for san jong back then and the
forwards so i knew about the rexton's and um so yeah the always knew about that brand and i
didn't realize that the the name changed so that was a bit surprising so yeah there you go
well there you go loyalty to your team uh now a part of your business uh you got a little discount
for being loyal to your team it's a great outcome mate so uh look it's a great looking car um are
you getting questions from uh peers you know people so you know and and driving high luxes and the
like um so my brother-in-law actually got the cupra um like maybe two weeks earlier yeah um and yeah
he took me in that and that's just a rocket yeah that's very just ask trevor sun he drives
it yeah oh no a little bugger uh tell us your uh charging your charging situation
yeah uh so install the the hotel charger okay and we're with ovo so we get that four and a half
cents a kilowatt overnight charging me too yeah that's good good call very nice but the mother-in-law
you're going the mother-in-law is now looking for an electric well they were looking at a new vehicle
and they were looking at the hybrids that's at half uh go straight to electric he only joined 50 to 100
and um yeah so they're looking at the the kgm torrez uh is a the suv one you've got them on
brand there what a sweet mate or what kgm is that what you got here using your membership
begin to get them a discount i said if you're a calling with member you get the discount so
it's a small investment to uh to get a pays itself off to get k o you get cheaper cars there's a lot
of reasons to be a football club member it sounds like fantastic oh it is good on you jeremy make
congrats on the car enjoy the electric life and uh hopefully you inspire plenty of other
tradies slash landscapers whatever your business is as i said it all depends on your range obviously
jeremy did the research knows what he's driving is and and it fits perfectly if you're driving
more than that it's not for you cool but you know that's that's the point is you can you can do the
research and make it work make good on you and good luck with the car thank you very much guys
good to hear from you there you go i mean there is a you know what they're getting and it's a good
looking car just going to get better too you know it's a good looking car that is really nice i would
have gone the blade was it blazing gold that is in gold what is it yeah blazing gold that would
mean all day it's like c3 pio yeah you went to you put star wars on the side of everything
before we get back to one more call for this show i wanted to read out a note we got from
bernie who couldn't come on the show he was asking a simple question really um because he keeps hearing
about the b wordy shark and tears and he lives in perth's outer suburbs in the hills and talks
about having to go up and down uh the infamous green mount hill so range is important and i think
it's a really simple and easy easy question we just mentioned the shark with jeremy um when it comes
to utes and suvs oh look i think it's a very narrow field right now with utes yeah um jeremy
is a great example of that he did the research the um the range was perfect for him but most of them
are going to struggle in that sense i think the b wordy shark if you're looking to ute is going to
solve all the problems of range anxiety it's going to nail those kind of situations when it comes to
suvs pretty much every car these days is a body suv even the scoters we talked about last week
i think when you talk about big suvs like mike here and there's really not many of them out there
they're going to Ioniq nine um they'll handle a hill no dramas you just got to remember that
it's the opposite fuel economy you're going to use lots and lots of battery going up the hill
but you're probably going to use bug or all if any going down because you'll you'll actually
regenerate on the way down so learning about hills and range is a really important thing to
understand if your if your first journey out is upper hill don't stress the journey home might be
vastly different brings up a good point because where you live could affect 100 you know what
what your battery usage and stuff so if you live at the top of a hill then come on home you're going
to use more juice than you then when you leave home yeah you're going to get to work thinking
this thing and you use five percent and then you're going to come home using 20 percent going
what happened what happened there or now you know there's a reason now you know we'd love to hear
from you uh oh four double 7657657
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oliver's on the line g'day oliver fine oliver you had a fascinating question which i'd not
contemplated around charging cables go go ahead mate i want to have this conversation
right so a brown insurance so i'm i'm curious about
buying an electric car basically and um i have no off street parking where i live so i live in
cities in the west like millions of other people i've got no garage no way to charge at home and
there's not that many chargers locally and so on so i've made a lot of inquiries with the council
and so on and there's a sort of a trial where you can run an extension lead across footpaths yep if
you do it's do so safely sort of thing and i applied for this and i asked a question i said
what happens if somebody trips over and kills themselves or something um or whatever yeah
a bit pretty dramatic thing but look it happens right and it will happen
particularly if everybody starts doing this and and so they said oh no you know we'll
approve this for you but you have to do it your own risk and i thought oh okay it's a bit odd
would have thought the council liability insurance covers that kind of thing and so i just also went
to nrma on the chat there and and a few other insurers and i just said oh hi i'm planning
buy an electric car is anything different about the insurance what happens if uh if i do this and
would you know and i also said would the car insurance cover this kind of thing and they said
no and i also said would my home insurance cover this kind of thing and they said no because it's
not on your property of course so it's this kind of limbo in between it's um so and look i also
sort of said to the nrma i said so what happens if i charge the electric car at a at a public charger
and then well it said that that's not actually covered by the car insurance either so my assumption
is that public charges um you know these sorts of things are covered by insurance to the charger
operators but i did ask that sorry just to finish the story i did ask the council i said well what
about the public charges that you've installed on the street and they sort of the answer was no
there as well uh nobody really seemed to know so i was like oh this is all interesting a bit of a
mess yeah well you know it's it's really interesting point because the you living in the in the west
no off-street parking you want to run a cable that'll be across the footpath where people are walking
yep so is it a case where do you leave it or do you sort of stand there and supervise it do you
put well no there's there's approved uh cable management systems you can get um for these
things uh if you want to see one uh sarah aubrey that's a name electrify this on on tiktok she's
she's very very good at talking ever he's very passionate um she has shown her she's got an
approved council yeah um because i hold thing that goes she just puts it out and it and it
runs out to the car now it's quite wide it goes part wider than the footpath itself
but essentially it's just a bump on the footpath i've also seen some really cool installations
where the the the channel essentially for the cable is actually dug into the footpath and so
you're building in a channel with like a rubber top on it so the cable goes in and so it's actually
level with the footpath but again all of these things are great initiatives but they don't answer
your burning question of who's liable because you're right it's not car insurance there's
nothing to do with the car it's not home insurance it's on public property but who's i wonder and
look let's be clear we're not lawyers we can't answer that the question but we
we can we can continue the conversation and see whether anyone listening has done further
investigations than you but i would argue if the council's approved the um the cross
cross pathway uh charging then they're accepting that it's on their property and it's their liability
wouldn't you reckon in the same way that a public charger like an ampoule ampoule you know if i
charged my car at ampon someone's stupid enough to walk between my car and the charger where the
cables hang in and trips over that's on ampoules property not mine yeah yeah you'd hope the common
sense kind of prevails although it was interesting because the conversation i had with the council
who was it was not not to be unfair i think i really threw this on them in the discussion they
said oh yes it would cover and i said well that's great could you just email that later and of course
saying the opposite thing so yeah and you know it's uh it's more about the proposition for
yeah people with no off-street parking how does that all work um yeah it's the biggest
gap in the ev market right now um without any question it's the biggest gap all over because
if you've only got uh street parking um you're you're kind of destined to be in public charges
now there's a great work being done by councils and by state governments in you know trying to
provide pole charging differences of solutions i've seen a few of those that would solve your
issue no no one's going to trip over that no but oliva's point is still if i'm if i'm exclusively
if i'm exclusively publicly charging on a power pole near my house or at a local um library
with parkers out the front who's responsible if someone trips over my cable you don't want to
be that person oliva that's essentially what you're saying absolutely yeah well look so it's
got to be clear that it's somebody's under the thing to take over and whatever but um yeah there's
there's got to be some yeah it's a good general purpose definition of that yeah you've raised
the public charges on the street are interesting too because again parking's an issue where i live
like you if you come back after six p.m you'll never get a park anywhere so even if they were to
introduce the charges on the poles of the public ones yeah um you know you can't you can either
never get a spot because somebody said and if somebody's there it could actually also be empty
all the time because you can't park there unless you're charging which means which reduces the number
of spots on the street yeah so even i said to my neighbor who's got a tesla uh i said should we
try and lobby to get one of these and we're like well it'll actually make life
more difficult because the spot out the front of that house would be yeah yeah yeah mate fascinating
and it's not a look obviously you know we come from a position of privilege where we both have
driveways and and charging um and that's that's our our personal approach which is why it's so good
to hear these kind of stories and these ideas the problem is i don't know where anyone's
gonna send you that email that you want to read oliver which says we accept responsibility
no i don't i don't think so i think it's just kind of so just just in wrapping up oliver are you
waiting to have some sort of clarification on this issue before you actually buy an ev or are
you still going to go with it uh you know what i'll say yes there's actually some other issues
for the evs um the p plate driver restriction is going to be a problem for us and our family too
and i'm also told the council has said that there's some sort of consultant doing a reporting to
specifically this matter like this whole austrian no off street parking situation
and that's coming out in july or something like that so i think i'll wait and see what sort of car
are you looking at that the p plate provision is is an issue for you mate well pretty much every
electric cars banned for p players no i think i think you should do a search because like i've got a
cupra i wouldn't even call it a hot hatch but completely fine under the under the regulations
well it's interesting i was looking at a volvo for anything um slightly new one which will come
out later this year an ex 60 yeah nice um which is definitely looks looks like a really nice car
obviously but um it you it's definitely banned at the volvo ex 30 even the single motor tiny one
was banned i found on the new south wales website so in fact uh i i noticed there's cars banned on
the website there's a search i don't know you guys are aware of that where you can go i'm looking at
now actually um that was broken a couple of weeks back when i was looking but you go in there and
there's cars that even though lower than that power output limitation which obviously is a bit
historical so really that rule needs updating too um don't get me started on rules that need
updating okay i'll tell you the p plate i'll tell you the p plate rule that needs to be updated
and i'm pretty strong on this it's not related to electric cars is the use of carplay and
Android order i think it's dangerous that p players can't have a map running to see where
they're going because the rule the rule i think the rules should be updated that p players can't
touch the screen while they're driving but they should be allowed to while parked set a navigation
and drive and follow the map because otherwise what are they doing look at a ref index
putting putting a street directory on their on their lap it's it's stupid i didn't even know
that one i was teaching my daughter to drive the other day and i said oh let's go to the
let's drive to the place i said i'll plug the thing in let's navigate she said no no i'm not
allowed i was like what yeah so yeah i am she is the interesting thing is yeah you can still
teach them on the electric car which handles on your l's you're allowed to yes yeah but
by the time you know the car's an expensive thing especially a Volvo let's say
by the time of my second daughter reaches her p's she's 13 so a couple of years
i hope the car i've still got that car and i'm basically just taking a punt that they're gonna
change the rules because um because it just doesn't make any sense anyway like if you want to
yes the cars are powerful but there's many solutions to that problem yeah look at a quick
look we were talking last week about the scooters that we were driving and steven had the fancy
enyak um there there is a couple of models of the enyak that are banned um they're obviously the
sport models like the rs model um but of the thing is i don't even want a fast car i don't
want any of this power it's just kind of big like i don't care my kv9 is very fast off the line
very fast if you put it in sport mode and it's allowed so i'll check again so they need to update
that list i'd say no i just think in it yeah i don't mind it because in the end um
what this does is stops kids having access to a lot of power under the throttle which you know kids
kids are dangerous on the road is that all p-platers or just red p-platers or not all p-platers yes
all p-platers you can do it with software too you can i mean the car manufacturers could very
easily just control that oh and that goes to my point about carplay as well it should be like as
a parent it should be on putting in p-plate mode or this key is a p-plater so carplay works but you
can't touch the screen while it's driving and throttle is limited to you know x percent that's
not rocket science that's so hard to do that's not going to happen though oliver mate thank you for
your insight and your questions mate very very good and uh and good good thoughts to put in our
minds mate thank you great good on you great to chat um yeah not stuff i'd consider and probably
not you either no this yeah so well yeah food for thought mate you know i think yeah the unless
unless you bring it up and it becomes a discussion it's never solved so this is all right though
imagine being on the other end of the phone at council and they go wait what are you asking what
and and it's like and then someone else has gone oh no that's a very good point exactly do not tell
them it's okay like it's like you know they've probably stopped approving it i'll ask you this
question right councils they're responsible for the footpaths and all all the things right yeah so if
i tripped on the crack in the footpath they're responsible that's their responsibility yes so
if someone's got a cable and that's not protected or covered that's that's on you no that's on the
person that put the cable there yeah but if the if the cable is protected properly and as i said
check Sarah Aubrey's stuff it's it's excellent work yeah and she shows the cable management thing
which is approved yeah and you you wouldn't trip that's well maybe can the council have a little
caveat to say well you can unless if you're using one of these approved no they only only
councils only allow it if you're using the approved covers right but the what he's what
Oliver's saying is even under those circumstances the council will not not say that it's it's
each covered by their insurance wow that's the problem yeah oh god there we go hey good times
if you've gotten the insight on that we'd love to hear it yeah please don't be a lawyer we'll
give us cool let's not go uh too deep into it because as we all know the criminal justice
system is made up of two separately still watch it too much law and order it's still on the screen
dub dub um thanks for listening folks and get in touch 0477 657 657 see you next week seven ciao
About this episode
Range anxiety, charging access, and dealership experience all come up as callers and hosts trade real ownership stories. A buyer ranks “price” then “range,” while another says they expected “range anxiety” but it never arrived. The charging debate turns into a practical one—home “granny charger” versus fast charging, and what happens when you don’t have off-street parking. The episode’s standout is a landscaper’s all-electric ute choice, weighing EV-mode range, towing, solar, and fuel-cost timing.
Dean shares his thoughts on his Leapmotor B10 - and you'll be amazed how quickly this decision to buy was made!
BYD Tuggerah - dealer of the year? We reckon.
Simon on YouTube poses as great question about who should roll out and pay for the charging network, while Jeremy has a fully electric ute!
And Oliver has questions about liability when it comes to charging cables!
