This is a 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 with a performance version of the 289 V8. The “4-speed” means it’s a manual transmission, and the special carb setup is part of what makes it stand out.
The Ford Falcon is a car model made by Ford. It’s generally considered a midsize car, and older versions can be collectible. The podcast is using it as a reference point in a naming/size comparison.
A “six pack” means the engine has three carburetors, and each one has two throttle barrels. More carburetors can help the engine breathe better, especially when you’re driving hard.
With multiple carburetors, you usually don’t want all of them opening at once. A “progressive linkage” is the mechanism that brings them in gradually as you press the gas, so it drives better day-to-day and still performs when you floor it.
A “dealer add-on” is something that wasn’t necessarily built into the car at the factory, but was added by the dealership after the car was ordered or delivered. The host is implying this Fairlane’s special setup might have been installed that way.
The Shelby GT500 is a very powerful version of the Ford Mustang. It’s known for performance parts under the hood, including a distinctive air cleaner shape. The podcast is describing that visible engine detail.
A “Thunderbolt clone” means someone made a car that looks or is set up like a famous drag-racing Thunderbolt. It may not be the original factory Thunderbolt, but it’s trying to recreate the vibe/spec.
In Ford-speak, “K-Code” (often said as “K engine”) means a specific higher-performance version of the 289 V8. It’s not just any 289—it’s the factory performance setup.
“Carbs” are carburetors—how older engines mix fuel and air. If they’re “not stocked to the car,” it usually means the car may have been modified and the carb setup doesn’t match what it left the factory with.
A “swap” means changing a big part of the car—most commonly the engine—to something else. The host is wondering if the car was modified after the fact, instead of being built that way.
Term
K in the VIN
A VIN is a car’s identification number. Some characters inside it can tell you things like which engine or version the car came with, and the host is using that to prove the car’s original setup.
“Factory four speed” means the car originally came with a four-speed transmission from the manufacturer. It’s important because it suggests the car hasn’t been modified with a different gearbox.
The Volkswagen Golf is a compact car model. The podcast is specifically talking about a Golf GTI, which is a sportier version. They’re mentioning a particular color and that a car appeared or was listed.
“Eight valve” means the engine has eight valves total. It’s basically the simpler valvetrain compared with a 16-valve setup, and they’re using it to identify the engine version.
“16 valve” means the engine has 16 valve openings that control how air and fuel enter and how exhaust leaves. It’s a basic way to describe the engine’s design, often associated with better breathing.
The 1993 Ford Mustang Cobra is a sportier version of the Mustang from the early-to-mid 1990s. In this part, they’re mainly talking about the limited paint colors and how some of them went from mocked to valuable.
That sounds like a 1993 Ford Mustang Cobra. It’s a sportier version of the Mustang from that year, usually with a stronger engine and more performance parts than the regular models.
“C4 Corvette” means the fourth generation of the Chevrolet Corvette. It’s the era where Corvettes got much more serious performance, including special high-output versions like the ZR-1.
Callaway is a company that builds performance upgrades for certain cars, especially Corvettes. So when they say “Callaway,” they mean a modified Corvette done by that tuner.
The Jeep Wrangler is a Jeep made for off-road driving. It’s known for having a rugged design that connects it to older Jeep models. The podcast is pointing out that some of that heritage is still there.
The Jeep CJ is an older Jeep model designed for off-road driving. The podcast is talking about early versions like the CJ2A. People collect them because they’re simple and built for rugged use.
“Twin Cam Zs” means a Nissan Z car with a twin-cam engine. Twin-cam engines use two camshafts to control the valves, which can make the engine rev more freely.
Car
AM General M151A2
The AM General M151A2 is a small military vehicle used for utility work. Here, they’re talking about one that was used as a shooting target, then later fixed up so it could drive again—while still keeping the visible bullet damage.
“Bullet holes” are marks left when something is shot. In a restoration context, leaving them visible means the owner wants to keep the vehicle’s past instead of making it look brand new.
HP means horsepower, which is a way to describe how much power the engine makes. More horsepower usually means stronger acceleration, especially when the car is set up well.
Term
L24
L24 is the name of a Nissan engine (an inline-six). People like it because it can be modified to make more power than stock.
“Bore him out” means making the engine’s cylinders bigger. That increases displacement, which can help the engine make more power, but it has to be done correctly.
A twin cam engine has two camshafts that help control the engine’s valves. It’s a performance-oriented design that can help the engine breathe better at higher RPM.
A strut tower brace is a metal bar that ties the suspension towers together. It helps the front end feel tighter by reducing how much the body flexes when you drive hard.
A stacked exhaust means the exhaust pipes are arranged vertically like a stack. People do it for the look, and it can also be part of how the exhaust is routed under the car.
Wing mirrors are side mirrors that stick out on little arms or brackets. They’re often used to get a classic look and can make it easier to see beside the car.
Single cam means the engine uses one camshaft to control the valves. It’s one of the basic engine design differences people talk about when comparing cars.
“Webbers” refers to Weber carburetors, which are fuel-mixing devices used on some classic performance engines. People like them because they can make the car feel and sound more “old-school” and responsive.
“Blow-by” means some engine gases are getting past the piston seals and going into the lower part of the engine. If it’s happening a lot, it can mean the engine’s internal parts are wearing out.
A mid-engine car puts the engine closer to the middle of the vehicle instead of the front. That can help the car feel more balanced and easier to steer, especially on a track.
Term
Grand Prix cars
This refers to race cars designed for top-level Grand Prix events. The speaker is using it to talk about how racing car designs changed over time.
This means the engine is a V8 (eight-cylinder) and it’s built largely from aluminum. Aluminum is lighter than iron, so the car can be quicker and handle better because it weighs less.
This is a historic race event in Los Angeles (the “LA Times GP”). The host is saying the car’s presence there is memorable—especially the start/finish area.
It’s a special intake pipe system that helps feed fuel/air to the engine. The “cross” part means the tubes are shaped so they route the mixture in a more performance-oriented way.
Air cleaners are the filters on the intake that keep dirt out of the engine. On carbureted cars, their shape and location can also influence how the engine breathes.
Headers are special exhaust pipes that replace the stock exhaust manifold. They help exhaust gases flow more efficiently, which can improve performance.
The intake manifold is the part that carries air from the carburetors into the engine. How it’s shaped can affect how well the engine breathes and how it responds when you press the gas.
The Lamborghini Espada is a classic Lamborghini grand tourer with a very distinctive engine layout. Here, the key point is that the engine bay is so tight that the carburetors (Webers) have to sit in a special way, making things harder to reach.
Le Mans is a famous race track in France. It’s best known for a 24-hour race where drivers take turns (“stints”), so the whole event is about endurance and consistency, not just one fast lap.
In endurance racing, a “stint” is how long one driver drives before handing the car to someone else. “Third stint” means it’s the driver’s second handoff cycle—like the third turn in the rotation.
This is a 1952 Cadillac, an old-school American car from the early V8 era. The point here is that it’s being driven at Le Mans, which is a famous long-distance race track—so it’s a surprising choice of car for that setting.
That phrase means the car was modified to go from an automatic gearbox to a manual one. Some buyers love it because it drives more like a “real” enthusiast car, while others worry about originality.
The Nissan 240Z is a famous old-school sports car. Here, the point is that a right-hand-drive one looks like a “normal” 240Z to most people, so owners get judged or questioned.
Right-hand drive means the steering wheel is on the right side of the car. It often shows the car came from (or was converted for) a different country, so people may not recognize it as the real deal.
The Shelby GT350 is a famous old performance Mustang. The hosts are talking about how people sometimes assume a GT350 is a fake or a “clone” instead of the real car.
“Federalized when new” means the car was made legal for the U.S. when it first came in. It’s about whether the car can be registered and driven legally in the U.S.
“Gray market” means a car was brought in through unofficial channels rather than the normal, official route. The hosts are implying that once you’re past that gray-market phase, the situation is different.
G&K is mentioned as the company that made the car legal for U.S. use. If a car comes from another country, it often needs compliance work before you can drive it here.
Car
Mark II GTI
The Volkswagen Mark II GTI is a famous early “hot hatch” from VW. Here, the host is talking about an especially rare rally-style version of it.
“Synchro” is VW’s all-wheel-drive system name. It helps the car send power to the wheels that have grip, which is useful on slippery roads or rally surfaces.
“Box flared” means the wheel arches are widened with a more squared-off shape. Rally cars often get this so bigger tires and suspension can move without rubbing.
A “homologation car” is a regular production car that’s built in limited numbers to qualify for racing rules. Because the rules require specific versions, these cars can be rare and special.
“Group A” is a racing rule category. It means the race car has to be based on a real production car, so manufacturers often build special versions to meet the rules.
A VIN plate is the tag on a car that has its unique ID number. If someone says it has a substitute VIN plate, it means that tag was replaced or not the original one.
The Audi RS4 is a faster, sportier version of an Audi A4. People like it because it’s built for performance, not just everyday driving. The podcast is pointing to an RS4 as something noteworthy.
“Box flares” are fender extensions that stick out from the wheel area. They have a sharp, boxy shape instead of a smooth curve, and they help make the tires look wider.
The BMW M3 is a high-performance BMW made for driving enthusiasts. The podcast is talking about the older E30 generation and its distinctive “box flares,” which are the flared wheel-arch shapes. That look helps identify the specific M3 era.
The BMW 3 Series is a smaller luxury car from BMW. Some versions—especially the older E30—are well known and have a strong fan base. That’s why the podcast mentions the E30 and E30 M3.
“Pre-merger AMG” means AMG cars made before AMG was fully joined with Mercedes-Benz. People use it to separate earlier AMG-era conversions from later Mercedes-backed AMG cars.
Term
G60
“G60” is a name people use for a particular Golf version. In this case, it’s tied to the boosted/supercharged kind of setup, which is why the hosts mention a blower right after.
“Supercharged” means the car forces extra air into the engine. That extra air helps the engine make more power than it would without the forced-air system.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a sports car from Chevrolet. It’s known for performance and for having different generations with different looks. The podcast is recalling a particular Camaro color they saw.
A “survivor” is a car that’s been kept in good shape and hasn’t been heavily changed. People like them because they’re closer to the original car, not a heavily modified one.
HKS is a company that makes performance upgrades for cars. The speaker is basically saying they don’t want the engine bay to be covered with lots of aftermarket HKS stuff.
A single turbo conversion means modifying the car so it runs with one turbocharger. That can change how fast the turbo “spools up” and how the car feels when you accelerate.
Term
pedals were drilled
“Drilled pedals” means the pedal surface has holes in it. That can help with grip and it’s often used to give the interior a more performance/race look.
The RX-7 is a Mazda sports car. It’s known for its unique engine design (a rotary) and its sporty shape, and the speakers are comparing its body lines to the Corvette’s.
The Acura NSX is a high-performance sports car made by Acura. It’s known for special design features, like how the door handle is tucked away. That’s why people notice and talk about it.
The Ferrari 308 is a well-known older Ferrari sports car. They’re using it as an example of a similar design trick for the door handle—where it’s tucked into the bodywork instead of sitting on the door.
The “Mark IV Supra” is a specific generation of the Toyota Supra from the 1990s. It’s a well-known performance car, and a lot of enthusiasts love it—especially the turbo versions.
The “instrument cluster” is the dashboard area with the gauges and warning lights. It’s what you look at while driving to see speed, engine revs, and alerts.
Term
muscle curry
“Muscle curry” sounds like a playful way of saying the car has “muscle car” energy—big, bold, and aggressive. It’s more about the vibe than a specific car part.
The Mazda Miata is a small two-seat roadster made by Mazda. It’s designed to be light and fun to drive. The podcast is comparing how it feels compared to another sports car.
Term
acoustic wave
They’re talking about a special-sounding audio setup in the car. The idea is that the sound system was designed in a way that made the noise feel different or more intense.
Term
octopus in the back of the car
They’re jokingly describing a big, weird-looking sound system in the back of the car—like a bunch of speakers or parts bundled together.
Term
not progressive turbos
“Progressive” here sounds like how smoothly the turbo boost builds. If it’s “not progressive,” the boost response may feel more sudden rather than gradually ramping up.
Sequential turbos are two turbochargers that come online in stages. The goal is quicker response when you press the gas, and then more power later as the engine revs.
The Ferrari 308 GTS is a classic sports car made by Ferrari. It’s known for being collectible and for having a recognizable V8 design. The podcast is referencing a specific example they saw.
Brand
Auburn Cordusenberg
Auburn-Cord-Duesenberg is a name tied to old classic American cars. If someone is really into them, they usually collect or admire those vintage luxury/performance cars.
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I was going to do an intro, but now I already need to talk.
I mean, there's so much good stuff on the site.
I actually subscribed to do a few extra listings so that I wouldn't forget to
talk to you about them when we jumped on.
Hold on.
Wait, before I do anything else, did you see the 64 Fairlane 500 with the
yes, but it has code 289.
It's like not my favorite of the Fairlane body styles.
But wait till you you've not seen this.
I have not.
OK, so for listeners, this is black with red stripe, 64 Fairlane, which is in
between a Falcon and a galaxy, right?
It's like the midsize Thunderbolt, right?
Yeah.
OK, the 64 Fairlane is famous for it was what the Thunderbolts were made out of.
So this is K code 289 with a four speed, but it has a six pack like Shelby spec.
No, it's like a weird Shelby progressive linkage.
32 barrels.
I've never seen anything like it.
Three Holly two barrels, three there.
What are they?
What are they?
Wow, is this factory?
Well, it's like a Kavanaugh Ford period Shelby inspired like dealer add on.
Yeah.
But it's not like a modern thing.
It's pretty cool.
It's very cool.
So it has the long aluminum oval air cleaner that you see in like a GT 500.
And there's a picture.
I'm trying to find it where they've got the carbs and you can see the
progressive opening of them.
Yes, look at that.
Look at that picture.
So that's picture of 133 out of 149 little
Holly's, but I'm going to look at them.
Anyway, I've never seen that.
They're not car carters, maybe.
Or they're they do look like they look like Holly's.
He has a cool sticker on the valve covers.
It says 2896 V. Yes, I know.
It's also got a really cool gauge pack.
It's got big tack up on top.
It's a sun. Yes, yeah.
Yeah. Anyway, fair lanes are interesting, right?
I mean, there's Mustang land.
There's Galaxy people.
There's Falcon people.
Yeah.
The fair lanes are almost maybe drag racer crowd, but like not a lot.
They they road race a couple of weird ones.
You remember when they built the like Holman Moody, like tried to do the
road race cars and nobody asked them so they can't even the modern ones.
Yeah, they just like a modern one.
We featured them on B.A.T.
They thought it was going to be a great business model
and they sold like one and a half and they've both been on B.A.T.
All one point five and they're gone.
Yeah, I saw one of those at the revival when I was there.
But anyway, the fair lane is obviously such a wonderful name plate
and a lot of good fair lanes over all the years.
And 64 I just go straight to it's a straight line car, right?
You do a Thunderbolt clone or you get a real Thunderbolt if you're some heavy
hitter, there's those have gone through B.A.T.
And I love the look of those, but you can do different things.
This is just a random cool streetcar.
And sorry, I know the carbs aren't stocked to the car, but are they saying
you could have gotten a K engine in one of these in 64
There's no way this is a swap, right?
I don't know.
It's got now you're asking me questions and I don't have answers.
We're going too deep.
But I just thought it was a I thought it was a weird spec and pretty cool
and kind of not.
You wouldn't go drag racing with a 289, right?
I mean, there's a K in the VIN.
Yeah, OK, so you're wrong.
And I was right.
It's also a factory four speed, so it's not a swap.
Pretty much.
But the weirdo induction set up is like dealer is dealer.
That's like TASCA would have loved that.
Totally TASCA.
Yes, correct.
OK, man, I love it.
You're fine. Yeah, you're fine in some deep cuts.
Well, shout out to Carter.
I like whirling around over in the Montana Green Volkswagen GTI.
Oh, I missed that one car, which went live today.
I mean, there's just like so much good stuff just scattered all across.
I really enjoy it. Oh, my gosh.
Look at this GTI, Randy.
Yeah, it got painted.
It was listed on VAT, and then it was.
Oh, it won't want not a 16 valve.
That's an eight valve for.
But that's the color.
Oh, man, it looks a lot of people like you.
Nice. A lot of people like that color.
Oh, that makes me think you do not.
I don't actually have a white one of these.
And if there had been a Montana side by side with this controversial,
this is unpopular opinion.
Good. I would not choose the Montana fuels.
Podcasts, same as, you know, what other car has limited colors.
So that car, 16 valve in particular, has very limited colors in the GTI.
And you can get red, black, white and that Montana.
There's not silver GTIs in other years.
Yeah, I got in in 92.
And then so 93 Mustang Cobra, also very limited color options.
There's the black, there's the orangey red and there's the teal.
And a lot of people are like the teal, teal.
And I, yeah, you, that's you.
Yeah.
But back in the day, dude, early mid 90s, when those cars were out
and they were a zillion dollars and, you know, 40 grand was all the money
for those cars. Now they're 200,000 or whatever.
The teal in the GTI and the teal in the Mustang, we all made fun of those cars.
Oh, that's so funny.
That's the dumb color.
That's the Miami color.
You don't drive, you don't take yourself seriously and drive the car that color.
And now those colors bring these huge premiums and everybody's like,
I always love Montana green.
Oh, that's interesting.
No, you didn't.
You used to just like me, so you didn't like it.
Yeah.
So anyway, if I was getting the 93 Cobra Mustang, I would get it in black.
And if I was getting the GTI, I'd get it in white.
I'm just not a Montana teal, teal dude.
But anyway, we have that on the site and it will bring bids because people love it.
Yeah.
Because they've, they've flip flopped.
They've, or they loved it back then too.
But anyway, you know, you know how we were back then.
We just criticized each other for all our opinions.
I was driving a Shamrock green 912V, man.
So I always liked colors.
We'd pick on people for everything.
I don't remember having a thought on the teal and Mustangs,
but I definitely always liked the teal on C4 Corvettes, particularly.
It was the ZR1.
There was the ZR1, 91 ZR1.
But then there was the weirdo Callaway that was like all smoothed over.
And they had it in teal.
There was also the weird Roadster Callaway that had the top cut off.
Remember that, like the low windscreen all around?
And it wrapped.
Yes, correct.
Correct.
With no like frame or on the top.
But those came in teal and I always liked those.
Okay.
So there's some teal out there that's doable.
And in retrospect, you're like, ooh, rare, cool, 80s, whatever.
But, but honestly, we made fun of those back in the day.
I liked 944s in that it's not quite as teal,
but that like ice, green, blue, metallic color.
Oh, that was very light.
Yes.
Yeah.
That was, I liked those.
People liked those.
Did you see the Jeep that had been restored,
that had been shot full of bullet holes?
No.
Oh my God.
Dude.
What kind?
Like early, like, I don't know if it's actual World War II era.
Hold on.
Let me see if I can find this.
Like a CJ2A or like a Willys or something.
It has, it still has the little Willy's Flathead, I think.
What happens if I type in Willys?
How would you navigate to this one fast?
Is it here?
I do Willys.
Yeah.
And it's not a Willy.
So it's probably a CJ2.
You're probably right.
Is that early, like early 50s?
Yeah.
CJ2 or 3?
Let's see.
This is like dead air.
I'm going to find it and give it a lot of number.
But the story is that-
We're all fine.
I'll race you.
It was.
Yeah.
No, I'm going to win, I think, because I think I'm very close.
Oh, man.
We need to talk about Twin Cam Zs.
We need to talk about-
Oh, man.
Z432.
Yeah, Briggs Cunningham history on the site.
There's a lot I need to talk about.
Okay, here it is.
Oh, so, okay.
So it was a 77.
Sorry, it was later, but it's the M number.
So it was on the machine gun range.
As a target vehicle, and then somebody restored it back to driving condition,
but they left all the bullet holes like in it.
Unbelievable.
I know.
Wait, go back to the lead.
I thought the lead shot looked like a beauty, like a nice truck.
It looks nice from that side, because that's the non-hit side.
That's, I don't know.
Does that car have good sort of mojo vibes,
or do you drive around with some full of bullets?
I don't know.
If it did sell, so that maybe tells you something.
Kind of like a little zombie-ish.
I just thought it was crazy.
dystopian.
Yeah.
Yeah, it is very dystopian, but it's actually like a nice restoration on it.
Like somebody did a really good job.
So that is lot number 245-406.
That's when you're at the golf driving range, and the guy's driving the little
cart around with the screens on it, and you aim for him every single time and try to.
And he hates his life.
I had a buddy who did that job, and he was like,
he tried to do it at any hours when he knew the driving range would have like no people on it,
because it's so emasculating to just know that people are trying to drill like the John Deere.
They have the little cage around them, because it's so great.
Yeah, it is great.
I love everything about that.
That's what that Jeep looks like.
It does.
It was just interesting.
I guess shooting range is next level.
I just go to hit a white ball.
These people are like shooting at whatever, nine millimeters at that thing.
Totally, totally nine millimeters.
Sorry, you said you wanted to talk about something else.
You want to talk about Briggs.
No, you're done.
Z432.
Oh, yeah.
I had cheese the crowd with that guy and not talk about it.
Love, love, love this car.
This is from our buddy Rafi, who's been on this podcast and is a kind of a power repeat seller,
a huge BAT fan from the early days.
We love Rafi.
I'm like always a little torn on these cars, because I'm like, oh, you know,
the BATZ was probably way faster than these.
You can get so much HP out of a Rebello or even just a mildly built L24.
You can, you know, bore him out 2.8 liter, 3 liter even.
But then every time I see one of these with those little magnesium wheels
and that beautiful crackle finish twin cam engine, I'm like, God,
this is one of the, one of the great Japanese cars.
For sure.
And it has featured prominently in Myron Vernes' book collection,
which we have downstairs of the entire encyclopedia of important and significant Japanese vehicles.
Z432, man.
I mean, what else was this engine in?
Skylines?
This engine.
I think that's right.
Skylines.
This has an interesting like a strut tower brace.
Is that a 432 thing?
I don't know if I've ever seen that before, but this thing is restored nicely.
So what are your favorite parts of this car that set it apart?
The wheels are beautiful for me.
Obviously the, I mean, the engine's nuts.
The stacked exhaust, the vertical stack exhaust.
So you can do a lot of this stuff on a normal Z and kind of have a little hot rod Z.
The wheels are really hard to pull off and there's like a fake version that don't look right.
And there's a few different things.
People do the covered headlights.
People do the little duck spoiler in the back.
People do the wing mirrors, where you put the mirrors out on the mirrors.
But this one in this blue, a line over orange.
Robbie Pyle on our staff and I were hanging out at an auction in Monterey.
Maybe in the Pebble Lock, maybe in Gooding auction.
And maybe in Arizona, I don't remember, but one went through and it went through cheap.
And both he and I were like, man, we should have bought that 432.
That was the car of the day.
And so anyway, I always think of that moment when I think of 432s.
But cool cars.
They got to drive great.
You know, I mean, I've only ever driven a single cam car with a big,
lopie idol and webbers and stuff.
But this one looks good.
But we've had a lot of interesting Z sales recently.
The car that was at Palm Springs at our event went through.
So 125 grand.
That car was so nice.
We've got a super low VIN car coming through.
You know, that single or double digit VIN car.
Does that mean like 69 build?
69 build.
People call them series ones, that sort of stuff coming through.
There's still a lot of demand for those sort of things.
People really like them.
Oh, and we had one of the ones from, I loved these, the Nissan Restoration Program that they had.
What was it in the Netherlands or whatever?
It was our color too, right?
125 grand on that car.
Those cars are still getting a bunch of money.
So I mean, you know this car's got a blow by that because it's more important than both of those cars.
Totally.
So anyway, we'll see where it goes.
It is listed out of Miami by Rafi.
Man, you go to Rafi right now.
He's got six cars live.
I was just having a convo with Rafi.
He's business going on.
I hope he's listening.
Shout out to him if he is.
We miss you, Rafi.
Come back to SF and come to the office.
He's got some heat coming up.
He's pretty proud.
He's 3456
And in awesome VAT form, he's got 2050s, 2070s, 60s, 70s.
He's like all over the place.
Good for him.
He is the man.
He does such a good job and he is pretty excited by the queue that he's got.
Is that right?
He's got it queued up.
250 listings.
I mean, that's for like a dude representing people.
I often think he's got to be up at the top, not a dealer.
Like he's just working with clients and then they handle the transaction.
He's just a kind of an advisor and a helper.
And high five to Rafi.
Oh, he's doing it.
250 out of our 250 thou.
One out of a thou is Rafi.
Totally slamming him down.
Well done.
Great stuff.
And you look at sale rates, sold sold.
Every he is the man.
Go listen to his visit on the VAT podcast episode 143.
Yeah, people loved it.
I mean the episode are we on now?
171, I think.
Okay, okay.
We got a way still 200.
He's in the archives.
He's in the, he's in the podcast archive.
He's in the halls of the website and the podcast.
Can we talk Briggs?
I love talking about Briggs.
What did he have ties to on the site?
So I never ever want to miss an opportunity to talk about Briggs Cunningham.
I love him so much.
So this is a really interesting car that I didn't understand.
So it's a, I know about Cooper Monaco's, which is like a sports racer, early 60s,
like early mid-engine, right?
When like Cooper's really changed in the game and Grand Prix cars.
And then sports racers by going mid-engine, but I thought they were all four cylinders.
And this one has the Buick all aluminum V8 in it.
This has an eight in it, which is terrifying.
I've seen this car.
I believe this car ran at Monterey.
I'm sure I've seen it too.
Because this start, finish banner at the LA times GP is fabulous.
I was talking about that with my dad, who used to, as you know, go to the LA
times Grand Prix all the time at Riverside.
And he's like, oh, yeah, I saw that car run 61.
It ran at Riverside, McLaren driving in, I mean, all the good.
All the names associated with it are all incredible.
And then did you see, speaking of interesting induction setups, did you see
the weirdo cross ram manifold on it has quad webers and the like stacks lay flat
and they cross over each other.
Let me see this.
It's a really interesting thing.
I mean, there's a car that has that in a front engine.
I mean, different engine, different setup, but that's what a it's not a griffau.
It's a bizarini.
You ever seen the small box Chev in a bizarini?
No, it has cropped like a flat flat.
It's such a low car that they run webers at this like 10 degree.
Oh, interesting.
Adding across the other valve cover.
I don't think I've ever seen that.
Let me see if that's what you're talking about.
Oh, no, no.
No, this is up and out.
Yes, I'm talking across.
These are across.
These are up and out.
This is but the car, the like air cleaners are manifold on this is flat.
And then it has a 90 degree bend out to webers out over the headers.
Yeah, but like, yeah, the webers are like way out there.
The air cleaners are like, you're right.
They're like out past the headers.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
So that's that's got to be.
Yeah, let's look at it.
22 piece man.
What was the name of the setup on racing?
Cobras had quad Weber setups, too, that were kind of interesting looking at
camera, if they're horizontal or they're vertical, but it's just had straight up
and down, just simple as possible.
Yeah, somebody put would put quad Webers on though.
It wasn't a single four barrel.
It was four Webers, but they're straight up and down.
Okay, straight up and down or but hold on now in Glacy, right?
Jim in Glacy, Glacy, something like that.
Oh, nice.
Yeah.
Now you're getting into LA hot rod or yeah, like manifold
fab.
Yeah.
Oh, I love manifold Meyer is going to enter the chat.
Totally.
Am I right?
Yes.
Navarro.
To date, Navarro wants to have a discussion.
So hold on.
I'm getting to the intake manifold goodness that I'm on on bits or
eighties.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, the rule is that we listed R and M'd.
But look at that.
That's the one I was thinking of.
And it's not unlike what you're talking about.
Oh my God, it's very similar.
Wow, it's really similar.
Yeah.
On a bizarini.
All these things, you can't get the freaking valve covers off because like
the carbs are sitting over the top of it.
Oh my gosh, how do you even put the oil?
I do.
I don't know.
You know what else has that is, oh God, what's the big flat two plus two Lamborghini?
They have the Webers out flat over the Espada, right?
Because it's got the mirror engine, but it doesn't have the extra room because
it's under that big flat hood.
So they've got all the six Webers out sideways, as I recall.
Anyway, the Briggs car you're talking about is a really significant car.
Recently, I've had a couple people that are like, do you sell race cars on BET?
And I'm like, first of all, yes.
Second of all, I want to have this listing and put it like four inches from their eyeballs
immediately and be like, look, 61 times Grand Prix Riverside.
Like, do we sell race cars?
Ran at the LA Times Grand Prix, Briggs Cunningham drove it,
commissioned Lance Reventlo to put the Buick V8 in it.
It's all your favorite names on the whole road.
Correct.
I immediately, on these, I scroll to the bottom.
I'm like, give me those black and white shots.
But our team's doing a great job.
They put a bunch up top.
I mean, this has so much good documentation in it.
Yeah, I love it.
Try finding that and some other listings made of bullet points by AI on other websites.
Congratulations.
Good luck to you.
Yeah, good luck to you.
Did you know I met Briggs Cunningham when I was a little kid?
No, tell me where.
My dad was a member of his car museum, which is the one that got sold.
Newport Beach?
I think it was in Newport Beach.
And it was the one that got basically turned into the Collier collection, right?
Like they bought the whole thing.
Instant amazing car collection.
But I was probably three...
I have vague memories of it because I remember them starting the Bugatti Royale for me.
And I remember Le Monster because it's so crazy looking.
Wow.
And my dad was buds with the curator.
So he'd go there all the time.
I wish I could remember that guy's name.
I have a drawing by him, the curator of that museum of like old,
like maybe even pre-war board track cars, like sliding into wood fences and stuff.
I should bring it down to the office, just sitting in my house.
But one time, Briggs, when he was real old, with his wife came down
and my dad was kind of forcing my hand to shake his and I'm screaming and crying.
So there's a picture of me weeping as a four-year-old with Briggs and his wife
standing behind me, smiling.
Yeah, totally.
Unbelievable.
Yeah, I love that.
Man, I mean, top 10 automotive moments of your life, like meeting Briggs.
A hundred percent.
I mean, who's...
How do you beat that?
No.
That's also the era, you know, sporting man.
How did...
Yeah, how did...
I mean, the guy, like, he somehow got him off of his like yacht
with his like perfect shades and hair.
I think he's fielded America's Cup race totally.
He's like, you know, he did.
Yes.
Yeah, absolutely.
And like horse racing and like...
He also didn't hurt who his dad was.
Of course.
And everything else, but still.
I mean, that's for event low too.
That's a lot of these guys.
And hanging out at Le Mans.
Yeah.
And then drive.
And he was slow and he didn't care.
You know, he'd take the third stint and be slow,
but he was out driving a 1952 Cadillac around Le Mans.
Wow.
I know.
That's pretty cool.
I know.
We got a, yeah, top 10 automotive moments.
That's like top five.
I don't know.
I mean, is that top one?
I mean, what's cooler than that?
I was so young.
I mean, I don't know.
You weren't even there.
I was just talking to Jim Hall on the podcast there.
I mean, that was fairly strong.
Egan.
I was thinking about Peter Egan again this morning, talking to him.
Yeah, that would be on my list.
A couple of the podcast moments have been really big for me.
That's cool.
Yeah.
There you go.
There you go, BAT podcast.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
Talking to the old racers, you know?
That's amazing.
Jim Hall tells me about crashing his P51 Mustang.
It doesn't get better than that.
That's true.
Anyway, thank you for indulging me on the history stuff.
No, we didn't dive off.
That was cool.
I thought that was awesome.
Anyway, there's plenty of interesting stuff on the site.
Did you check out the GT350 that's been stolen a bunch of times?
It's another car that's very appealing to me.
Stolen.
Yeah, it was stolen.
So it's a 66.
The red, white stripes.
Oh, I saw it come across.
I get alerts on that model.
But I didn't go deep on...
Yeah, I looked red, 66, four-speed.
It has some theft.
Yeah, I had a real spotty early history stolen.
I think they said multiple times and left for dead.
It's a conversion from an auto to a stick.
But it's been owned for a long time, almost 40 years by the current owner,
and was restored.
So it's actually pretty nice.
But people are always a little scared of the car when it's not perfect.
These are the kinds of GT's reviews that actually appeal to me, right?
Give me the one with the motor swap.
I don't care, you know?
We'll see where that puts value.
I know.
Well, part of the reason those appeal to me is because the value on the ones
that are unimpeachable are going through the roof.
It's true.
It's true.
But no, but that looks like a cool car.
Yeah, that's my spec.
I know it's not yours, but alloys and red...
66 and alloys, red, white.
I mean, I drove a rep of that to high school.
So it at least looks like they've restored it back to some sort of
semblance of how it used to be, other than adding a third pedal,
which nobody will argue with.
I'm not.
I'm not arguing with it, especially if it makes it so that people are
outraged by the non-originality.
How are you going to say out ripping it around?
That's what I want to do with it, man.
It's my kind of outrage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, cool.
What's the craziest thing on your watch?
I know you always have so much.
I never usually have more than seven or eight cars.
Are you having me dive into the AT app right now?
There's another 69 GT through 54 speed, which you and I...
No stripes in the paint one.
I thought you would like that.
What a stealth car that is.
But then you're in the same problem as the Z432,
which I didn't want to say, which is like, you're out and you're like,
I'm in this amazingly rare car and everyone just thinks it's a regular 240Z.
And they think you're crazy because you've got a right-hand drive 240Z.
They're like, why don't you just get a normal one, man?
And that's the problem with GT350s, right?
It's a clone.
You just assume it's a clone.
You assume clone status.
Oh, man, am I going to blow up my whole watch?
No, no, no, don't do that.
Give me one or two weirdos.
Oh, man, there's some really weird stuff.
But there's a...
Somebody is selling a golf rally on the website,
which is a non-USA car that was federalized when new,
which I thought was fully illegal.
Whoa.
I didn't know that was allowed.
But anyway...
Because that's past gray market, period.
That's past gray market.
But it was federalized by G&K in Santa Ana and SoCal,
the same people who do it now.
Yeah, that's like the place.
But it was done in 94 when this car was five years old.
And something took it to Tahoe and daily drove it,
and it now has 37,000 miles.
What?
That is a correct response.
What are we talking about?
This came across on BET.
It's a real rally golf for people who don't know
and probably don't care.
This is a Mark II GTI, a really unusual.
It's synchro all-wheel drive, and it's box flared,
and it's a homologation car,
for they ran this in Group A rally.
And they built 5,000 of them per the requirements, allegedly.
Who knows how many they actually built.
But they were the first one to come
with these little projector headlights
with a weird grill that wrapped around it and stuff.
And it was very Euro only.
And everybody reading VW and Porsche magazine,
like me back in the day,
before it was rebranded to European car,
saw these cars and thought they were spectacular.
Anyway, this guy's got one in the US,
and now it's being sold on BET.
Now it's over 25 years old,
so nobody in the government cares anymore.
But the fact that it's been here the whole time,
like, I grew up going to Tahoe.
I'm like, why did I not?
Oh, yeah, you missed it.
In Tahoe, I went to Tahoe like 10 times a year,
all of those years.
And how did I not see that there was a rally golf up there?
Because I would have lost my mind.
So anyway, that car is super interesting.
Did you see this substitute for US VIN plate on it?
I mean, it's got so much.
Go look at my RS4.
That's how my RS4, that's like the rule.
Was that Jean Gay also?
Mine was very messed up.
Okay, mine was, I don't know,
mine like cruised through,
but it has that in the windshield VIN section.
Anyway, interesting car, very interesting car.
Normally they sit a little higher, don't they?
Is this, like, lower down?
No, they were.
It's box flares.
It's like an E30M3 box flare or an Urquatro box flare.
Here's a question.
How many cars have box flares that look like that?
Production.
E30.
E30M3.
Inaugurali.
Urquatro.
Yeah, Urquato.
Inaugurali's are a little more curved, but they count.
This car, and is that all?
No, the AMG conversions have them.
The, like, Mercedes sedans.
Like, what the pre-merger AMG cars have these, like, flares
that start right after the door?
They're so crisp, like an E30M3.
They're like rectangular, right?
You come down the fender and it, like, 90 degrees out,
90 degrees down.
Like, anyway, this car has them.
And honestly, I don't think it looks as good
as a normal car.
It looks a little.
It looks a little strange.
Especially in the back, on a hatch,
those flares look better when you have a trunk.
This is a sick car, though.
It has cool seats.
And, like, this is, like, the Bill Gates madness.
Somebody did this in period, and they're like,
oh, I need an interesting all-wheel drive car
for my Tahoe home.
What are we talking about, right?
I mean, that's the only reason for doing this.
But it was so much work to do this.
Of course.
So why did this person do it?
And then you have an E-Vowel of golf up at AldiTube.
No, no, no, no.
It's a G60, dude.
It's a G60.
Oh, is it Supercharged?
It's got a blower on it.
Oh, oh, well, that makes a lot more sense then.
Yeah.
Ish.
So anyway, I can talk about that car for hours and hours,
but nobody wants to hear that.
So let's move along.
The bid, the bid is strong.
You do.
Well, the bid probably needs to get a little stronger,
but those things sometimes go for big money.
But anyway, my fellow VW geeks out there,
I've reached quota on talking about Volkswagen's.
So here's one.
Hold on.
I have one question for you.
Green Pearl Effect.
Because we were talking a little bit of smell.
This is a good green metallic.
The actual 90s, it has to be some green metallic.
Of course.
Yeah, that's a thing.
We'll let bidders decide on that.
Every kid in my school had that metallic green,
fourth gen Camaro color.
What else have we been ripping through the 250 mile Audi sold?
That was cool.
We talked about that on a previous podcast,
the Bonneville Audi RX7s.
Like we talked about RX7 for as a hell yes.
So I want an FD.
I want an FD.
Okay.
So my buddy, who lives here in the Bay Area,
bought a silver survivor, almost no mile FD RX7.
I think he got it in San Diego on BET and drove it home.
And he just showed it to me in a parking lot
when we went out for tacos the other night.
And I was loving it.
They're so loving.
They're so pretty and they're small too.
So cool.
He opened the door the way the door cut is,
the way the whole cockpit is, the way the tail lights are,
that I want a wing.
I don't want a no wing.
I like the wing.
Oh, I like it with no wing.
I like because I think it's so,
the design is so clean and simple on them.
Yes.
Yeah.
But the stock wheels, like I don't need right hand drive.
I don't need like HKS parts like littered through the engine.
I don't need any of that.
I just need like single turbo conversion, but whatever.
I don't even know.
I'm naive on these cars.
As you can tell by how I'm talking about them.
But man, they are just beautiful.
Do you remember the Mazda commercial when that car came out?
Because they put a bunch of money into developing that car.
And the new RX7 came out and it was like a front angle low shot.
And the car was parked like in front of a old building on grass.
And they were talking about how lightweight it was.
And the pedals were drilled and all this stuff.
And they were talking about lightweight, lightweight, lightweight.
This must have been what, 92 when that car came out?
Yeah, probably.
92.
Yeah.
91.
Anyway, I remember it on like Primetime TV watching that
and being 14 years old and being like, oh my gosh, this car is amazing.
Totally.
And anyway, I still kind of want to get in one of those and drive it.
I think that debut would have been just a hair before I was super into cars.
That was about 10.
I was like 9, 10.
But when I was getting super into cars mid to like 96, 97, the C5 came out.
And I still love C5 Corvettes.
And I remember my dad telling me, well, the aerodynamics of that are a copy of the RX7.
And then I went and looked it up and I'm like, oh my God.
And then it turns out, I think I'm saying this correctly, that General Motors,
benchmarked a couple of cars, but they bought an FDRX7.
And the lines, particularly of the hood, do look almost exactly the same.
That's amazing.
They're such beautiful cars.
You're right, the door cut.
The door is so good.
The color is meaningful.
And it's like the NSX where they hide the door handle up in the little thing up.
So it's not on the door.
Yes, that's right.
It's not in the middle.
The NSX has that.
The Ferrari has that too, the 308.
And I'm fine.
Like red, give me red, black.
Oh, any color.
Any color.
Just go.
I just want that car.
So anyway, I don't know if there's one of those in my future, but that's a cool car.
Are you that over?
Because so many people are obsessed with the Mark IV Supra.
And I've always been FDRX7 over Supra, just because it's lighter and a little more elegant.
Not nothing against the Supra, but I love the FD.
I give a preference.
I drew the Supra in art class in eighth grade.
Did you really?
Because the ads had just come out and I did this like rendering it with the ad.
Because the wing was so big.
It's so absurd.
But anyway, those cars have never really been for me, but there's a few.
There's actually, I think I've told you this before, there's a guy who drives one
and parks it in his driveway in my neighborhood and he drives a Supra.
Like that's his car.
Wow.
Old guy, older than me.
Turbo with a wing and a ring.
Yeah, the right one with the wing.
But they're not for me.
But then Zach brought his here and I got to sit in it and look at it.
And again, how the doors open and the big sill is really thick and the way the instrument cluster is and stuff.
I like that car a lot.
It's muscle curry.
And like the RX7.
It's not lightweight.
They don't argue like.
No, the RX7 feels like a grown up Miata or something.
It's like, you know, it has a lot of the Miata elements to it, but you know,
it just feels like a more, you know, more serious car, which is what it is.
I love them.
I've always loved them.
Do you remember?
Never owned.
You never drove, you never owned.
I mean, I had my race car was a FB RX7.
No, the only one I rode in a few, the only one I ever drove
was because of BAT.
It was Taz Harvey lent his to us for a rally.
Do you remember that?
It was a green one.
You don't remember this?
This was the old office.
And Zach and I ripped it around the block quite a bit.
It was like touring green tan, like the classic color green tan touring with that weird sound system that wraps around in the back and everything.
Totally.
And it was a moose, wasn't it?
I'm pretty sure it's both the acoustic wave or something.
Yes, octopus in the back of the car.
That's exactly right.
So cool.
It's small.
It's light.
And this one was super stock and has the not progressive turbos.
What do you call them?
They're not left wing turbos.
They're sequential.
Thank you.
Right wing turbos.
That's a super.
No, sequential turbos.
And it feels really linear, really, really linear and pulled pretty good.
It's a great little car.
They're fast, as I recall.
Did you go for riding your buddies?
No, not that night.
I just got to see it.
We were running off, but I was stoked that he drove it.
It was cool.
That was there also, BAT alumni.
That was a fun time.
Another buddy that was there had a BAT alumni 308 GTS.
Oh, sick.
That's shown up to our events before.
Oh, the red one.
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, that guy's great.
He comes to a lot of our events.
Yes.
That was a high miler, right?
I'm leaving all these guys nameless, but if they listen to this,
they'll probably get a chuckle out of them.
OK, yeah.
That was a very solid parking lot scene.
That was it.
Was it at nighttime?
Yes.
Those are great cars.
RX-7, it's like that Tokyo nights thing.
And RX-7 in a parking lot at night, that's like my youth.
Like, that's like what I-
That's so good.
Yeah, it is so good.
Yep.
I was telling you a little bit earlier that I drove.
I just want to give a shout out to Charlie Goodman,
a friend of ours.
Yeah, let's talk about Goodman's collection.
Yeah, he just has so many rad cars.
He's a big Auburn Cordusenberg guy.
And the big shout out there is to Sue's listener to this pod.
So, hey to Sue and thanks to Sue for inviting my old man and I
up to Charlie's to see him.
Sue and her team from their restoration company were out for the velocity event.
And they were going to dinner with Charlie and I'm going to go see his cars.
And so they invited my dad and I up.
We came down here Friday night and ripped the elite around a little bit first,
which was excellent.
My dad said he's been waiting for 60 years for a ride in a elite.
He's never been in one.
No, he sat in the one.
Oh gosh, I wish he was here to remind me.
The dealership, Claude Phipps.
OK, it's coming back to me.
Claude Phipps dealership on State Street in Santa Barbara in about 1960.
My dad sat in one or maybe even like 58 when my dad was about 20 years old.
Car dealers on State Street in Santa Barbara make me very happy.
In the fifties?
There's only like one left, right?
Yeah, almost, maybe none.
Upper, upper.
Smoters, you know that place?
Oh, totally.
That's on Milfus though.
Yeah, sorry.
Yeah, that's a street or two off.
I went with my uncle on test drove a 3.2 Carrera Caberlet for him there
when I was still working on those cars.
Still around and they list land cruisers, so I trip across.
Whenever we talk about like little indie dealers that don't sell on BAT,
I always think about that place specifically.
Yeah, it's right up the street.
They're still fighting the good fight.
Like a car out on the lot with a price.
Totally.
Scratched out four times.
A hundred percent.
But waiting.
One little one room Santa Monica persons just got to come up with an interdental range rover.
They got to go to the habit up the street and happen to cruise by,
circle back around the block and come by the rover.
Oh, my grandpa had a used car a lot on State Street back in the day
and some gas stations.
All that's gone now.
But I mean, upper state, there's still stuff.
There's a BAT user named Milfus.
That's pretty great.
I wonder if it's them or just somebody that hangs in Santa Barbara.
They would do well.
They've definitely had plenty of BAT worthy cars.
Anyway, we drove the Elite around.
You would actually love it.
It's the latest manual steering I've ever felt.
It rips.
It's 7000 RPM.
You just lean into the corners.
You hook it in.
It was really fun.
Where did you drive?
Just around this neighborhood.
Never got out of second gear.
But the gearing is so tall that you kind of bog it when you launch it.
And then like first, like on a block, you're in first,
you don't shift into second to go like 35 miles an hour.
It's really interesting.
It's really tall gears.
Anyway, the Cortina was kind of like that.
They don't have the same gearbox.
I don't think so.
Maybe it's a ZF in my car.
Yeah, a lot of clutch to get it into first from a stop.
And then you're into first.
It might be, dude.
It might be the same.
Did you have one of those weird remote shifter setups?
No.
There is linkage.
The shifter go way up.
No, it doesn't go way up.
But it's...
I think yours goes straight in.
I saw it.
It's a little tiny short throw.
But the early elites had the MG gearbox with an unsynchronous first.
It actually might be the gearbox in your car.
In the MG.
Yeah.
And the later ones had the ZF and my car.
I still have to pick up the original engine transmission.
Originally I had the MG, but it has a ZF now with a synchro first and is awesome.
So you drove that car around and with your old man.
That's kind of...
He loved that.
I wish I could have seen that.
It was great.
It sounds like a race car.
You spent so many years at the historic races.
It sounds like all those little British cars that have that same powertrain in them.
So we did that.
And then we hopped in the 308 and drove up to Charlie's.
And it was so great.
I'd forgotten...
Been many years since I've been there.
He's got so much great stuff.
And he's such a gracious guy.
And like I was telling you, the kind of big thrill for me was Sue brought
all these guys from her shop who don't always get to see kind of a collection like that.
And aren't necessarily familiar with every single car that was there.
In his underground.
Yeah, in his underground.
Yeah, they're expanding.
They have some young techs there.
Yeah.
And some interns, one of whom was working for Charlie, I think over the summer.
And they were just all really cool dudes and really enthusiastic.
And it's good to run into people like that in the car world.
It's good for your soul.
It's not just all jaded old farts like you and me.
People speculating on 992.
That's not all?
No, enough of that.
I've had enough of that.
I've had my fill.
People cheering for aughts, Ferraris to get to a million dollars.
Gated.
Is it gated?
Of course.
Of course it's gated.
There's that world.
There's a lot of different worlds within the...
I'm in favor of all of them.
I feel like I just get stuck in some more than others.
There's some that grab the headlines, right?
Right, right, right.
People want to talk about the latest Ferrari design,
but you'd rather talk about the kid that's amped to get into...
Totally.
...and learn about some stuff from a veteran.
Let me tell you a little bit about a double overhead cam straight eight from the 30s.
Yeah, that's pretty neat.
Yeah, super cool.
Yeah, cool.
Anything you got coming up or anything that you've done recently that we should mention?
Not too much other than we're talking about events that are coming that are almost here
on the podcast next week.
We're super excited to be talking about the concourse, the Hillsboro concourse.
Rob Fisher will be here as our guest on the pod that I get to chat with him and talk about that a
little bit.
What's your history with Brom?
So Bay Area sort of car events, car culture.
He's always been involved with cool stuff, whether it's down at Monterey or whether it's
different shops that are here.
He brought some impressive cars.
Obviously, he has ties to San Francisco.
So us doing BET in San Francisco, I was super lucky just as a young nobody to be in the city,
driving an old car, going to events, looking in through the gate, faking it or taking pictures
of stuff as a young 20-something living in the city.
And there were these big shots showing up in Ferraris.
And there was the swigs.
And there's all these heavies cruising around, right?
And Rob Fisher would roll around and he'd be involved in whether it's the Cal Mille
or whether it's the candy store, which is a big sort of car club down on the peninsula,
different cool things.
And anyway, I'll get into it.
Somebody just invited me down there.
I've never gone.
I've heard about it for years.
Because it's in such a cool, old domestic dealer, Hudson dealer.
I've looked at the inside of sick looking out of the building.
But anyway, there's been obviously cool car stuff going on here long before you and I got into it.
But when I was just kind of on the outside looking in, there's been some cool guys that were like
very early days of BAT, like, oh, I love BAT, right?
And so Rob's really funny because he'll tell you how early he was on BAT,
just reading about the goofy stuff I was finding for sale.
So anyway, super wonderful guy.
And obviously he's involved in the concor and we're going to be involved there.
And we're excited to give that a shout out and attend and support the cause.
And so we'll hear some about that on the next podcast.
Yeah.
I'm excited to listen to that because I want the full history of that event.
It's got like a claim of being as the oldest in California,
longest running, continuously running or something.
They've been doing it, which obviously is a little bit of a wink,
wink to Pebble who's down the road, but they've been doing it longer.
This is the 70th anniversary of this one.
So it's a cool one for us to be a part of it.
Yeah.
So anyway, that's exciting.
Yeah, it is continuously running.
I think they may hold that.
So anyway, we'll talk about that, which is super fun.
Other car stuff, just yeah, keep an old cars alive and keep them running and driving cars
and trucks and charging batteries and charge a few batteries, jumping, jumping.
We need like a battery charger sponsor anytime because we are like a weekly,
if not daily users of different jumper boxes.
At the shop I worked in, we had the like interstate rack of batteries that had like,
you know, 10 different, we had, you know, a dozen or two dozen batteries on hand at any
given time in different sizes for all the cars.
We actually like need that rack in our office.
Honestly, unfortunately, we have such a weirdo group of cars here.
You could be like, well, I got the Ferrari size battery that doesn't go in the Volkswagen
and the Renault size battery fits in nothing else.
Anyway, that's always hard.
But yeah, so anyway, just, I mean, there's plenty of fun car stuff.
The sun's out, things are happening.
You've been moving around a little bit.
We had kind of an empty office a couple of weeks ago.
Now it's like chock full all of a sudden.
People are showing up with cars.
Transporters are showing up, BATHQ.
And no, we'll have some fun with that.
Some of those stories will probably leak out before long.
We'll talk about some of them.
Yeah.
But kind of getting ready for summer, kind of getting ready for events.
We're bringing a few cars to Hillsborough.
We're bringing some of us will be at Monterey doing different things, which is exciting.
So yeah, anyway, some great stuff.
And then our official events, which obviously are Hillsborough and then.
Rose Cup.
What are we talking about?
Yeah, let's talk about them.
Portland Rose Cup will be there.
Yeah, super cool track.
I've never been.
You've been.
We did our first, I want to say first ever actual BAT event.
Oh my gosh.
I talked to you about this.
I don't think so.
We got to pull it up on the site because again, this was, it was so great.
Is this you and Gentry?
No, it was me and my dad, I think.
Okay.
And we had.
What's the fastest way to search that?
Portland.
Man, honestly, that's a hard one to find.
That's a story that I got to dig and find.
But we looked, we, we, um.
No, I got it.
Special offer BAT Corral at the Portland Historic.
There you go.
2012, dude.
Oh man.
And maybe in June of 2012.
That may have been the follow up because we didn't have a,
or maybe we did have a Corral anyway.
So huge.
The picture is even a little grainy 2012.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Sorry, dude.
33 comments.
Here, turn it around.
Let me see if that's what we're talking about.
Okay.
No, but that was the follow up.
Okay. That's not even the first one.
The year before that.
That's the oldest one I could find on here.
So you guys did it a couple of years.
So when I went up there and.
Oh, here you've got a, you did a follow up.
There's the coverage.
That display.
Dude, we had a transporter, a guy that I got to know up there through,
I was going up to Portland to do the Money Shelton rally,
which I did three years in a row.
Oh, dude, that's been started.
Making friends.
Oh, come on.
I know it.
Started making friends up there.
And yeah, just kind of snowballed into interesting opportunities.
And then I met the Portland Historics guys.
I think Sovereign was running that event.
Or maybe HMSA.
It's HMSA.
And they said, hey, do you want a little patch of grass to do a BET display?
Look at the transporter.
That M3 was one.
I like cried my eyes that I didn't buy it.
I should have bought it.
And then it came back to BET a couple times.
It was so beautiful.
The guy who had the transporter built the M3.
I think we still have this old banner.
There's a typo in the banner, if you look at it,
which always makes me smile.
There's a lowercase letter that should be uppercase,
but that was our marketing back in the day.
Oh, yeah, totally.
And maybe some spacing issues.
And anyway, Ken, shout out to Ken, who brought the transporter
that made us look like we were some sort of pro operation.
Totally.
But we were not.
But anyway, yeah, Portland.
So I've been to Portland.
I got to ride shotgun around the track.
Or maybe I got to drive a car around the track.
Maybe the coolest car in our display there.
Do you see it?
You don't see it.
The display was different two different days
because the people driving them didn't want to come back two days.
Oh, that's so interesting.
So it was a totally different display one day versus the next.
I love that.
That's so good.
But there was an XK140 project bodiedless.
But it was a driving chassis with two seats on it.
And the guy drove it in and it had no body on it.
It was like an engine and a steering column and two seats
and a gas tank.
And he drove the thing in and we parked it there for sale.
It was live on the site and it sold.
These were all.
These are exclusives.
All of them were exclusives because there were no auctions yet.
This is all pre auction.
But I had like seven exclusives running at once.
I was pulling my hair out and I thought it was totally crazy.
Pre Howard, right?
No, Howard didn't work here yet.
Yeah, nobody solo who worked here.
I don't you.
I don't know what we were doing.
But yeah, some contractors and a Google spreadsheet
and a bunch of cars for sale.
I mean, it was amazing.
So man, the 1800ES with the wooden trailer.
I mean, there's some amazing stuff.
You're on Flickr.
I love it.
This was me walking around the paddock taking pictures.
I was hesitant clicking on that link.
I was like, oh, this gallery is dead.
This gallery is alive.
Our Flickr account is rad.
I don't know how to extract our photos out of it,
but it's rad because all the passwords are lost.
So we're doing this in conjunction with 911R
with Matt Crandall and his avant-garde, their whole operation.
And I mean, he's raced there a million times.
It's right in downtown apparently.
Thank you for bringing it back around to something relevant.
We were just going down the rabbit hole.
I actually want to continue on.
It's like right in downtown because I was like,
oh, it must be far afield.
He's like, no, this track's been around forever.
And it's like right inside Portland.
It is.
It is.
It's right there.
And it's a cool, really cool track.
And there's, you know, it's Northwest.
So there's like big pine trees all around.
We had.
And you know, people show up there with some pretty rip in VA.
There were Trans Am cars and stuff when I was there.
There was like pretty big displacement stuff.
There was the C3 big block vets like crushing it in this.
The clean wood bros.
There was a little bit of spirit of 76, right?
There was some body kit action.
Box flares.
There were some flares and slick tires.
Shoes.
That's going to be rad.
I'm excited about that.
That's early July.
We'll announce that one soon.
And then the other big one is we're going back to Road America,
speaking of awesome racetracks and trees.
It's just discussing this over the weekend.
It's so fun.
I get so excited talking about Wisconsin.
Yeah, that'll be fun.
Yeah.
It's probably out of any racing, but I'm not racing.
How it is, I think.
And we're sponsoring the downtown drives again and hanging out downtown,
which I think is the kind of most special part of that.
Okay.
So amazing.
If you have any way to get there and come, we will buy you a beer.
Absolutely.
We will.
Killer Man, anything else you want to chat about?
No, I don't think so.
I mean, lots of stuff going on, a lot of exciting stuff on the site.
You and Rob, you're going to man the podcast solo.
You're going to hit record.
You're going to turn on the machines correctly.
Hitting record is a 70% chance.
I hit record, but we're going to have a great conversation.
You may or may not need to be in the office to listen to it while it actually happens.
Hopefully we can bring you all our audience along with that.
That will be a special one.
Just make sure you grill them about the history a little bit,
because I am really curious about such a long-running concourse.
It's fascinating.
All right.
I will grill him about good and where it's been and all that stuff,
and what the early days were like.
I'm ready for history.
They do.
You secretly, maybe I need an earpiece that you can just be like,
Randy, ask him this, because I'm going to be like,
tell me about your M1.
No, I think the listeners would much prefer it if you were the host and I was the producer.
I think that would work better.
Well, let's figure it out.
All right.
Cool.
Well, thanks for doing it.
As always, buddy, and thanks everyone for listening.
We appreciate you.
As always, we're happy to hear feedback at podcast at bringitrailer.com,
and we'll catch you next time.
About this episode
The hosts start by dissecting a 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 K-code 289 4-speed, zeroing in on its Shelby-inspired “six pack” carb setup and whether it was dealer-installed. They then bounce through collector-correctness debates using VIN and transmission clues, before widening into how colors, box flares, and rare homologation details (including federalization) affect desirability. The conversation also covers Z-cars and sequential turbo setups, plus a dystopian target-vehicle restoration that kept its bullet holes.
This week Alex and Randy go over all their recent favorites from the site, talking along the way about a heavy-breathing Fairlane, the terrible-or-terrific teals of the early '90s, a bullet-riddled Jeep, a raft of special Z-cars, and one of our favorite sellers. They take a lengthy detour into oddball induction setups before returning to the special Cunningham race car on the site, which prompts memories of Alex's traumatic childhood visit to The Briggs Cunningham Automotive Museum.
Next, assumed clone status; missing a Rallye in Tahoe; a brief review of '80s box flares, followed by an about-face to perhaps the curviest car ever made; a solid parking lot scene on taco night; fulfilling a 60-year dream for Alex's dad; a visit to Charlie Goodman's place; Randy's upcoming pod episode with Rob Fisher ahead of our appearance at the Hillsborough Concours, the longest-running event of its kind in California; our July gathering at the Rose Cup at PIR (also the location of the first-ever BaT event); and this summer's BaT sponsorship of the vintage weekend festivities in Elkhart Lake.
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