294 The Raw Charging Episode
About this episode
Raw Charging’s chief commercial officer Neil Broadbank breaks down how the UK CPO builds a destination-first charging network, then layers in ultra-rapid hubs. The discussion covers network scale (2,500+ points; 500 ultra-rapid sockets), utilization seasonality, and how site selection balances primary/secondary/tertiary use cases using data tools like Field Dynamics. Pricing gets a deep dive—pay-as-you-go, mid-range tariffs, occasional time-of-day incentives, and why they won’t chase ultra-low prices. They also discuss roaming, apps, PAS 1899 accessibility, canopy strategy, and a roadmap toward plug-and-charge.
In this episode Neil Broadbank, Chief Commercial Officer of Raw Charging, shares insights into destination charging infrastructure, site selection, pricing strategies, and future developments in EV charging networks in the UK.
We discuss:
- Destination charging strategy and site selection
- Utilization and performance metrics of charging stations
- Pricing models and customer incentives for EV charging
- Grid connectivity challenges and solutions for rural sites
- Roaming, app integration, and contactless payments in EV charging
Guest Details: Neil Broadbank is the Chief Commercial Officer (CCO) at RAW Charging, a leading provider of electric vehicle (EV) charging solutions in the UK. With extensive experience in driving commercial growth across the energy and technology sectors, Neil plays a pivotal role in spearheading RAW Charging’s mission to deliver sustainable, reliable, and accessible EV infrastructure. His strategic leadership and passion for innovation ensure RAW Charging remains at the forefront of the EV revolution, helping businesses and communities transition to a greener future.
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Raw Charging
"On the show today, we'll be chatting with ChargePoint operator Raw Charging. ... Hi, Gary. My name's Neil Broadbank. I'm the Chief Commercial Officer and co-founder of Raw Charging."
Raw Charging is a company that installs and runs public EV chargers. The hosts talk with them about how they set up charging in places like workplaces or destinations, and also about faster charging.
Raw Charging is a UK charging network operator (a CPO) that runs public EV charging sites. In this episode, they discuss how their charging strategy works, including destination charging and rapid charging.
ChargePoint operator
"On the show today, we'll be chatting with ChargePoint operator Raw Charging. Over the many seasons of this podcast, I've spoken with quite a few of the major ChargePoint operators across the country..."
A ChargePoint operator is the company responsible for the chargers themselves—where they’re installed and how they work. They’re different from the app you might use to find and pay for charging.
A ChargePoint Operator (CPO) is the company that owns and operates charging hardware and manages the charging network. CPOs are distinct from e-mobility service providers (which may handle apps, payments, and customer experience).
ChargeY
"...Osprey Charging, SmartCharge, InstaVolt, GridServe, FastNed, PodPoint, ChargeY, GeniePoint and Ionity to name a few."
ChargeY is one of the charging companies the host has mentioned in a list of different EV charger networks. It’s not the main focus of this segment, but it shows the range of operators discussed on the show.
ChargeY is one of the UK EV charging operators mentioned as part of the podcast’s broader survey of major networks. It’s included here as an example of the variety of CPOs the host has interviewed over time.
destination charging
"We're a CPO based in the UK and focus specifically on destination charging. ... And I also want to talk about some of your rapid charging as well."
Destination charging means charging while you’re parked for a while, like at a hotel or shopping center. It’s usually slower than highway fast charging, but it works well for daily life.
Destination charging refers to EV charging installed at places where drivers park for longer periods—like hotels, retail centers, or workplaces. It’s typically aimed at AC charging and is designed to fit everyday routines rather than quick top-ups on the road.
rapid charging
"And I also want to talk about some of your rapid charging as well. But can you just give us an idea in terms of the size of the network and kind of the split between destination and rapid slash ultra rapid please?"
Rapid charging is for when you need to charge faster during a trip. It’s quicker than the chargers you might use while parked for hours.
Rapid charging is faster-than-standard public charging intended for shorter stops, often on routes or at high-traffic locations. It’s commonly discussed alongside “ultra-rapid” charging, which pushes power even higher for quicker sessions.
AC charging infrastructure
"More recently, whilst we started out and took a very deliberate position in the early days, they're building out AC charging infrastructure and destinations, primarily built on long"
AC charging is the common “slower” public charging type. Your car usually does the work of turning it into the right power for the battery.
AC charging infrastructure uses alternating current to charge the EV, with the vehicle typically handling conversion to DC for the battery. Destination sites often favor AC because it’s well-suited to longer parking durations and can be easier to deploy.
dwell time
"dwell time. Over time, we've seen different usage profiles where ultra rapid charging works for a lot of destinations as well."
Dwell time just means “how long the car is parked and charging.” If people are only there briefly, they need faster charging. If they’re there longer, slower charging can work fine.
Dwell time is how long a vehicle stays connected to a charger (or how long people stay at the destination). In EV charging, longer dwell time usually makes it easier to use slower AC charging efficiently, while shorter dwell time pushes drivers toward ultra-rapid charging.
AC charges
"...they're increasingly popping up alongside our AC charges."
AC charging is the slower kind of public charging. It’s often used at places where you’ll be parked for a while, like shopping centers or workplaces.
AC charging is alternating-current charging, usually delivered at lower power than DC fast charging. For many destination sites, AC can be sufficient because drivers are parked longer, and it can reduce cost and infrastructure complexity compared with ultra-rapid DC.
500 sockets
"So we currently have an ultra rapid charging network that's grown to 500 sockets in quite a short period of time..."
A socket is basically a charging plug/port. More sockets usually means more places and more chances for drivers to plug in.
A “socket” is a charging connector/port at a station. Saying the network has grown to 500 sockets is a way to describe charging capacity in terms of how many vehicles can plug in at once across locations.
utilisation
"Yeah, utilisation is a very interesting topic for us..."
Utilisation means “how often the chargers get used.” If a charger is busy most of the time, it’s usually a better investment than one that sits empty.
Utilisation is how much the chargers are actually used over time—often measured by sessions, hours occupied, or energy delivered. For EV networks, utilisation affects revenue, staffing/operations, and whether adding more chargers at a site makes sense.
seasonality
"...destination charging in particular is seasonality for one case, whether it be peak times throughout the year or the month or actually the week."
Seasonality means demand changes with the seasons—like more EV charging in summer holidays than in winter. Charging companies plan around those ups and downs.
Seasonality is the predictable change in charging demand across the year (and sometimes by month or week). EV networks use this to forecast utilization, decide where to deploy chargers, and adjust pricing to match peak periods.
ride sharing, ride hailing drive platform such as Uber
"...there's high utilisation all the time. So you might be seeing sort of five, six, seven hours of constant usage from such as some ride sharing, ride hailing drive platform such as Uber, other delivery van services using our charges."
Companies like ride-hailing services keep cars on the road a lot, so they may charge more frequently. That can make certain chargers busier than typical personal-use locations.
Ride-hailing and delivery fleets can create consistent, high utilization because vehicles run many hours per day and need frequent charging. Networks often see different demand profiles from fleets versus leisure drivers, which affects how chargers are sized and located.
integrating charging into those locations
"you must treat that with respect in answer to your question around the process for integrating charging into those locations. Being a destination location based charging provider, the first thing we've always done is align the charging strategy in terms of the primary use case of a site"
This is about planning EV charging for a place based on how people actually use it. If people stay for a long time, you can use slower charging; if they’re only there briefly, you need faster chargers.
Integrating charging into destination sites means designing the charging offering around how the location is used, including expected dwell time and traffic patterns. The hosts describe using a primary use case first, then adding secondary/tertiary use cases that may require different charger types and speeds.
DC rapid speed
"Consequently, that same Wisley location could also be suitable for a medium DC rapid speed because you might be there for lunch an hour and an hour and a half where actually that medium rapid option works perfectly well"
DC rapid speed is fast charging that works better for shorter stops. You can usually add a meaningful amount of charge in less time than with AC charging.
DC rapid speed refers to DC fast charging, which delivers direct current to the vehicle’s battery system (bypassing the car’s onboard AC-to-DC conversion). It’s intended for shorter stops than AC charging, like charging during lunch or a gym session.
DC ultra rapid approach
"And then of course, you've got that DC ultra rapid approach where you layer in other elements of data such as traffic flow"
DC ultra rapid is the fastest kind of public EV charging. It’s meant for drivers who need to charge quickly rather than waiting for a long session.
DC ultra rapid charging is the highest-power tier of DC fast charging, designed to minimize charging time for drivers who need quick top-ups. In practice, the exact power level depends on the charger and vehicle, but the goal is maximum speed for shorter dwell times.
ultra fast charger
"and they can get on and off the charger within 20 minutes and carry on their journey. So we've always taken a very holistic use case approach to the location"
An ultra-fast charger is a public EV charger that can charge your car much quicker than normal. How fast it charges you depends on both the charger and your specific EV.
An ultra-fast EV charger is designed to deliver very high power so vehicles can add a lot of charge quickly. The exact speed depends on the charger’s kW rating and the car’s charging capability, but the goal is minimizing time spent plugged in.
use case approach to the location
"So we've always taken a very holistic use case approach to the location and then layered on the use cases is the answer to the question."
They’re saying the charger locations are chosen based on how people will use them. For example, some stops are meant for a quick charge during a trip, while others work better for longer stays.
The hosts describe a “use case approach” to choosing charging locations—meaning they design sites around how drivers actually behave (time on charger, trip purpose, and nearby amenities). This is a key EV charging strategy because the best placement depends on whether the site is for quick top-ups, destination charging, or route coverage.
350 kilowatt
"There are a number of, I think 350 kilowatt alpatronics there and 304 AC units."
“350 kilowatt” is how strong the charger is—how much power it can deliver. Even with a powerful charger, your car may slow down charging as the battery gets fuller.
“350 kilowatt” refers to the charger’s power output rating, which strongly influences how quickly an EV can charge. Higher kW can reduce charging time, but the vehicle may taper power as the battery fills, so real-world time savings vary by car and state of charge.
AC units
"There are a number of, I think 350 kilowatt alpatronics there and 304 AC units."
AC units are chargers that use alternating current. They usually charge more slowly than the big fast chargers you see at highway stops.
“AC units” are chargers that supply alternating current, typically used for slower charging compared with high-power DC fast chargers. Many EVs can charge on AC, but the onboard charger limits how quickly you can fill the battery.
alpatronics
"There are a number of, I think 350 kilowatt alpatronics there and 304 AC units."
Alpatronics is mentioned as the charger hardware provider for the high-power units at the site. Charger manufacturers matter because they influence reliability, power delivery behavior, and maintenance requirements across a network.
charging hub
"That's a great question and that can be described as our first hub. I think with one of the things being want to be earlier charging operators in the UK"
A charging hub is a planned EV charging stop with enough chargers to handle lots of cars. The idea is to place it where it’s useful for trips, not just anywhere with space.
A “charging hub” is a strategically placed EV charging location designed to serve high-throughput charging needs, often with multiple stalls and a mix of power levels. The discussion highlights how early network growth used specific site types and partnerships to create reliable, scalable charging infrastructure.
Aberdeen
"We both collaborated. It was Aberdeen, the investment firm Aberdeen. We collaborated with them to build out a flagship hub"
Aberdeen is referenced as an investment firm that collaborated with the charging operator to develop a flagship charging hub. In EV charging networks, landlord/investment partners can be crucial because they control land and can enable sites that would otherwise be unusable.
Field Dynamics
"somebody we know in common, Charlie Gilbert from Field Dynamics. Field Dynamics themselves is a company who provide a product and a dataset that allows companies such as yourself to analyze given locations with traffic flows, nearby conveniences, and off-street parking"
Field Dynamics is a company that sells location data and analysis tools. The hosts mention it because it can help decide where EV chargers should be placed by looking at things like traffic and parking.
Field Dynamics is a data and analytics company focused on location-based insights. In the episode, they’re described as providing a dataset that helps EV charging businesses evaluate where charging should go.
traffic flows
"Field Dynamics themselves is a company who provide a product and a dataset that allows companies such as yourself to analyze given locations with traffic flows, nearby conveniences, and off-street parking"
Traffic flows are basically how much traffic goes through a place and when. For EV chargers, that helps estimate whether enough drivers will be nearby to make the site worthwhile.
Traffic flows describe how vehicles move through an area—typically including volume and patterns over time. For EV charging, higher and more relevant traffic can indicate stronger demand, while location-specific flow helps predict how many drivers will pass and potentially stop.
off-street parking
"Field Dynamics themselves is a company who provide a product and a dataset that allows companies such as yourself to analyze given locations with traffic flows, nearby conveniences, and off-street parking, and any number of different parameters."
Off-street parking means parking in a driveway, lot, or garage area instead of on the street. It’s important for EV charging because it usually makes it easier to install and use chargers.
Off-street parking is parking located on private property or dedicated lots rather than along public roads. For EV charging, it matters because it affects how easily drivers can access chargers and whether charging can be installed safely and legally.
on-street parking
"you can put a point in a map for a potential charging location and learn 100 things about it from the number of cars passing, the population density, how many people in the local area do or don't have EVs or have off-street parking, on-street parking."
On-street parking is parking right along the road. It matters for EV chargers because it can change what’s possible to install and how convenient it is for drivers to use.
On-street parking is parking along public roads. In EV charging planning, it’s a key factor because it influences feasibility, permitting, and how drivers reach chargers compared with locations that have dedicated off-street spaces.
charging location speed
"All of these different elements will indicate to some or greater extent charging might be a good option in this location, and you might want to be able to indicate speed that you install."
Charging speed is how fast the charger can add energy to an EV. The hosts say you may want to choose the right speed for a location based on what drivers in that area are likely to need.
“Charging location speed” refers to the charging power/speed a site is intended to support (e.g., faster charging vs slower charging). The transcript frames it as something you decide based on local conditions and expected usage.
EV site selection strategy
"We've always taken a very holistic approach to increasingly apply data analysis with our site selection strategy and also our site charger configuration strategy. I go back to where I started a second ago in terms of we always ground our assumption of a site"
Site selection strategy is how you pick where to put EV chargers. You look at things like how many EVs might need charging, how busy the area is, and whether people have easy parking.
EV site selection strategy is the process of choosing the best locations for charging based on demand, access, and practical constraints. The hosts describe using data to compare sites and then using that to decide both whether a site works and how to configure chargers there.
site charger configuration strategy
"We've always taken a very holistic approach to increasingly apply data analysis with our site selection strategy and also our site charger configuration strategy. I go back to where I started a second ago in terms of we always ground our assumption of a site"
Site charger configuration strategy refers to deciding the specific charger setup at a chosen location—such as how many chargers to install and what charging speeds to target. The transcript ties this directly to data analysis and the goal of matching charger capability to local usage patterns.
population density
"Then we start to consider different data points such as traffic flows, such as population density, which are some of the biggest drivers today, certainly for ultra rapid charging."
Population density means how many people live in an area. More people nearby usually means more EV charging demand, so it helps decide where chargers should go.
Population density is used as a proxy for local demand—more people nearby generally means more potential EV drivers and higher charging utilization. The transcript frames it as a major driver for ultra-rapid charging placement.
Destination AC charging
"Destination AC charging, for example, it is perhaps more driven by distance traveled to site and the activity occurring at the site."
Destination AC charging means slower charging at places you’re likely to park for a while. Instead of being focused on quick highway stops, it’s about matching charging to your trip and what you’re doing at the destination.
Destination AC charging is slower, AC-based charging placed at places where drivers stay for a while—like hotels, attractions, or restaurants. The transcript suggests it’s driven more by distance traveled and what’s happening at the destination than by pure highway traffic.
layer these pieces of data on top of each other
"You do layer these pieces of data on top of each other and take everything into account."
They’re talking about using multiple kinds of information together to decide where chargers should go. Instead of guessing, they combine data signals to predict demand.
The phrase describes a multi-factor site selection approach: combining demand signals (traffic, population) with trip/destination behavior to estimate where charging will be used. It’s essentially a data-driven model for deciding which locations to invest in.
site utilization is lower
"or perhaps some locations have been stored ahead of EV uptake and utilization is lower."
Lower utilization means fewer people are using the chargers than planned. If chargers are installed too early, demand may take longer to catch up.
“Utilization is lower” means the chargers aren’t being used as much as expected, which can happen if sites are built before EV adoption ramps up. The transcript ties this to how operators adjust investment decisions over time.
national trust site
"They may be aware of raw charging, they may have been out to a national trust site, they may have seen some of the charge in there."
They mention national trust sites as examples of places where you might see EV charging. These are often destinations where people park for a bit, which can suit slower “destination” charging.
The transcript mentions “national trust site” as an example of a destination where charging may be visible to listeners. This is relevant because it illustrates how charging is often paired with places people visit and stay for a while.
CPOs
"If I look at not necessarily your competitors, but other CPOs who work in a similar space, we look at the grid serves of this world."
CPO means “Charge Point Operator.” It’s the company that runs the charging stations and decides where to put them.
CPO stands for “Charge Point Operator,” the company that owns and operates charging hardware and manages site performance. The transcript compares different CPO strategies and where they tend to place chargers.
InstaVault
"If I look at InstaVault, they tend to be located around, say, McDonald's sites."
InstaVault is a charging company mentioned in the episode. They’re described as putting chargers near McDonald’s, which can work well because people already stop there.
InstaVault is referenced as another charging operator with a different site strategy—placing chargers around McDonald’s locations. This kind of “destination” placement can align charging with short stops and predictable foot traffic.
Osprey charging
"Osprey charging tend to be located around Mustins,"
Osprey Charging is another company running EV chargers. The episode suggests they choose locations near places people already go, so charging fits naturally into the trip.
Osprey Charging is mentioned as placing chargers around specific retail/destination areas (the transcript cuts off mid-sentence). The key takeaway is that different operators choose different site types based on expected demand and dwell time.
rapid charger
"Other than the national trust, where would you say a typical EV driver would look to find a raw charging site, primarily a rapid charger rather than say a 22 kilowatt or seven kilowatt AC charge?"
A rapid charger is a faster EV charging station. It’s meant to get you back on the road quickly, instead of charging slowly like you might at home overnight.
A rapid charger is an EV charging station designed to deliver much higher power than standard home charging. The goal is to reduce charging time so drivers can top up during errands or on longer trips.
22 kilowatt or seven kilowatt AC charge
"...primarily a rapid charger rather than say a 22 kilowatt or seven kilowatt AC charge?"
“Kilowatts” is a measure of how fast the charger can deliver energy. A 22 kW AC charger is usually faster than a 7 kW AC charger, but both are generally slower than DC fast chargers.
Those kilowatt ratings describe charging power levels for AC charging. Higher kW generally means faster charging, but AC at these levels is still typically slower than DC fast charging.
destination archetype locations
"...Where you would find a raw charger outside of our traditional AC destination archetype locations that we touched on would be increasingly in the retail and hospitality space."
This phrase means the usual places where EV chargers have traditionally been installed. Think locations where you might park for a while, versus places designed for quick charging while you’re traveling.
“Destination archetype locations” refers to the traditional places EV charging has been placed—often where people park for longer (like shopping, hotels, or leisure areas). The discussion contrasts that with faster “enroute” charging found along busy corridors.
DC charges
"We do have a partnership with Green King, where we're rolling out DC charges alongside a community AC network that works well."
DC charging is the fast-charging style used at many public stations. It delivers power in a way that lets the car charge quicker than slower AC charging.
DC charging (direct current) sends power to the vehicle in a way that bypasses the car’s onboard AC-to-DC conversion. That’s why DC charging is typically used for faster charging than AC.
substation
"...whereby we install a substation with over typically eight ultra rapid charging bays."
A substation is the power equipment that helps deliver enough electricity to the chargers. Fast charging needs a lot of power, so hubs may install their own electrical setup rather than relying on a small connection.
A substation is electrical infrastructure that steps down or manages high-voltage power distribution to safely supply large charging loads. Ultra-fast charging hubs often require a dedicated substation to provide enough power for multiple bays.
super hub territory
"We're kind of, as an industry, I think we're stepping into this sort of super hub territory. So we're very early on in our journey in that..."
“Super hub” means making charging stations bigger and more capable. Instead of a few chargers in many places, the industry is building major hubs with lots of fast chargers in busy areas.
“Super hub territory” refers to the industry trend toward larger, more centralized charging locations with many ultra-fast bays. The idea is to improve reliability and convenience by concentrating capacity where demand and traffic are highest.
Lansik
"...one of the main partnerships we're really proud of having launched recently is the Lansik retail portfolio. So we have partnered with them..."
Lansik is the real estate partner in this story. The hosts are saying they’re working with a property company to put chargers across many retail locations.
Lansik is described as a real estate organization whose retail portfolio is being used for EV charging deployment. The segment emphasizes how charging operators secure sites by partnering with property owners and investing across multiple locations.
Escape York
"A lot of those are arterially linked. So Escape York, for example, is just off the M62 outside of Leeds."
Escape York is used as an example of where chargers might go. It’s near a major road, so people can stop briefly, which makes it a good spot for fast charging.
Escape York is given as an example location in the Lansik retail portfolio, positioned near the M62 and described as both a leisure destination and a stop for travelers. It illustrates how charging hubs are placed where traffic and dwell time overlap.
enroute charging
"...it's also just off of an arterial motorway whereby people can stop for 20 minutes. With our destination hat on, we've been able to lend a shoulder to the wheel of enroute charging..."
Enroute charging means charging while you’re on the way somewhere. It’s set up for quick stops along busy roads, so you can keep moving instead of parking for hours.
Enroute charging is charging that’s intended for drivers while traveling, typically near major roads and arterial routes. It’s designed for short stops (like topping up during a trip) rather than long “destination” parking.
strategic road network
"Over a thousand, in fact, we'll be installing across that portfolio. I released an episode last week about the strategic road network,"
They mention an earlier episode about the strategic road network. That’s basically the big road system where charging needs to be planned for travelers.
The hosts reference a prior episode about the strategic road network, indicating a discussion focus on how charging infrastructure relates to major road corridors. This is a structural topic marker for where charging deployment is planned.
ultra-rapids
"we looked at all the charging hubs, six or more ultra-rapids that are either on the motorway or within a short distance from one of the junctions on the motorway."
“Ultra-rapid” chargers are the fast ones you use for quick top-ups on trips. They can add a lot of energy in a short time compared with slower chargers.
“Ultra-rapid” is a marketing/industry term for very high-power DC fast charging, typically enabling much faster charge times than standard public chargers. Exact power levels vary by operator and charger model, but the key idea is speed and reduced charging stops.
location-based through destinations
"So going back to our original approach of being location-based through destinations that exist, there is a certain element of discipline that we approach ourselves."
Instead of placing chargers only where cars pass by, this approach puts them near places people already want to stop. That way, charging feels less like a chore and more like part of the trip.
This refers to planning EV charging around established destinations (retail, attractions, visitor sites) rather than only along roads. The strategy can improve driver experience by pairing charging with a reason to stop, while still targeting high-traffic routes.
point-and-shoot type site-finding acquisition approach
"Rather than the point-and-shoot type site-finding acquisition approach, having said that, we are still actively looking at acquiring more sites."
They’re saying some companies grab whatever land they can find, while others plan carefully. The planned method tries to match charger locations with where drivers actually need them.
This phrase contrasts a more opportunistic acquisition method with a planned rollout. In EV charging, “site-finding” can mean chasing available land, while a more disciplined approach aligns sites with demand, grid capacity, and route patterns.
grid connection
"Obviously, you can appreciate getting stars to align in terms of the right location with the right landlord, with the right grid connection to develop out the site."
A grid connection is the electrical link from the local power network to a charging site, which determines how much charging power can be installed and sustained. Even if a site is in a great location, limited grid capacity can delay or cap the number of high-power chargers.
Southwest being Cornish Bourne and Bred
"that other regions as well, such as the Southwest being Cornish Bourne and Bred, I'm very passionate about how we can kind of increase the connectivity."
They’re talking about where to add more fast chargers in the UK Southwest. It’s basically a “what locations should we prioritize next?” conversation.
The hosts discuss expanding EV charging coverage in the UK Southwest region, specifically referencing towns/areas like “Cornish Bourne and Bred.” This is a rollout-planning topic tied to where chargers should go next.
Born Bourne
"...ons as well, such as the Southwest being Cornish Bourne and Bred, I'm very passionate about how we can k..."
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“Born” most likely refers to the Hyundai Ioniq 5 “Born” EV concept/trim name mentioned in the podcast context, but the provided snippet doesn’t clearly identify the exact vehicle. Because the transcript fragment is about regional wording (“Cornish Bourne and Bred”) rather than vehicle details, there isn’t enough information to accurately explain the specific car model being referenced. If you can share the exact sentence where the car name appears, I can generate a precise explanation.
GridServe
"GridServe and of course, Tesla have done a fantastic job at X, so I was just using it the other day."
GridServe is an EV charging operator known for building high-power charging sites and developing grid-connected infrastructure. In the episode, they’re credited with securing grid capacity and expanding charging availability in the Southwest.
Tesla
"GridServe and of course, Tesla have done a fantastic job at X, so I was just using it the other day."
Tesla is referenced here as a major player in EV charging infrastructure, particularly in how quickly and effectively it can deploy high-power sites. The episode frames Tesla’s role as helping “corner” grid capacity in the Southwest, influencing where other operators can build.
A3A3
"We've got rapid charging hub in at National Trust Stourhead, just off the A3A3. So that's kind of got this perfect destination and ultra rapid hub blend,"
This is a reference to a major road near the charging site. They’re basically saying “it’s right off this highway,” so it’s easy to find on a trip.
“A3A3” appears to be a transcription of a UK road reference (likely the A3). The speaker is using the road location to describe where the charging hub sits relative to major routes.
charging tariffs
"...which is pricing and charging tariffs. More charging, I think that the pricing, I mean, obviously for the AC, it's a little bit lower."
Charging tariffs are the prices you see when you plug in your EV. The cost can be different depending on whether you’re using slow AC charging or fast DC charging, and sometimes it changes based on how busy the station is.
Charging tariffs are the pricing schedules EV drivers pay for electricity at charging stations. They often vary by charger type (AC vs DC) and by speed tier (standard DC vs DC fast/rapid), and can also change with time-of-day or demand.
AC
"...obviously for the AC, it's a little bit lower. But if we look at DC and DC rapid..."
AC charging is the slower way to charge most EVs. Your car does the main conversion work, so it generally takes longer than fast charging.
AC (alternating current) charging typically uses the car’s onboard charger to convert AC electricity to DC for the battery. Because the conversion happens in the vehicle, AC charging is usually slower and cheaper than DC fast charging.
pence per kilowatt hour
"...between about 76 to 79 pence per kilowatt hour site dependent..."
This is the unit price for the electricity you use while charging. If you add the same amount of energy to your battery, the cost should be roughly similar.
“Pence per kilowatt hour” (p/kWh) is an energy-based unit rate for charging. It measures how much electricity the charger delivers, so two drivers charging the same amount of energy should pay similarly even if charging power differs.
Pay as you go
"So our pricing model is, yeah, as we say, very, very simple. Pay as you go, contactless."
Pay-as-you-go means you pay for charging only when you use it. There’s no need to commit to a monthly plan just to charge.
Pay-as-you-go pricing means you’re charged based on your actual charging session rather than a fixed subscription. It’s common for public networks because it keeps costs flexible and avoids requiring long-term commitments.
plug and charge
"...Hopefully, we'll be implementing a plug and charge solution in the future, because we know our hardware is sort of capable across Europe..."
Plug and charge means you just plug in and the charging starts automatically. You don’t have to tap a card or open an app every time.
Plug and charge is an EV charging method where the car and charger automatically authenticate and start the session when you plug in—without using an app, card, or manual steps. It relies on standardized communication so the billing and authorization can happen in the background.
time of use-based incentives
"...So that's certainly something to manage over time in terms of time of use-based incentives to ensure that if a hub is full, the next queue of drivers can come in..."
Time-of-use incentives mean the charging deal can change depending on the time of day. The goal is to spread out charging so the station isn’t jammed all at once.
Time-of-use incentives adjust pricing or benefits based on when you charge, to shift demand away from peak congestion. In practice, this can help keep stations available by encouraging some drivers to charge at less busy times.
loyalty scheme
"...a very simple approach to pricing. We do have a burgeoning loyalty scheme whereby drivers may be able to capture specific promotional-based benefits..."
A loyalty scheme is a rewards program for drivers who keep using the same charging network. It can include perks like discounts or free charging to encourage repeat visits.
A loyalty scheme is a rewards program that gives drivers benefits for using a charging network repeatedly. Here, it’s tied to promotions and site launches, which can influence driver behavior and repeat usage.
week of free charging
"...every time we launch a site, we actually do a week of free charging, because we like to create awareness within the local area of a charging site."
A week of free charging is a promotion where drivers get free electricity for a limited time. It’s meant to get people to try the new station and spread the word locally.
A “week of free charging” is a promotional incentive used to drive awareness and adoption of new charging sites. It can quickly build early utilization, but it’s also a short-term lever rather than a long-term pricing strategy.
Manchester-based EV
"Now, slightly controversial question. If I look, for example, at a company which I would probably say would be one of your competitors, which is the Manchester-based EV who've actually been on the show for a season's back."
They’re talking about a UK charging company based in Manchester. The point is that it’s trying to win customers with cheaper charging prices and a strong business strategy.
The hosts are discussing a Manchester-based EV charging company that competes in the UK charging market. They mention it has recently taken over Mer and uses aggressive pricing to attract drivers.
Mer
"If I look, for example, at a company which I would probably say would be one of your competitors, which is the Manchester-based EV who've actually been on the show for a season's back. They've recently taken over Mer, as you know."
They mention “Mer” as another charging business that got taken over. That kind of change can affect where chargers are and how much it costs to use them.
“Mer” is referenced as a company that has been taken over by the Manchester-based EV charging operator. In this context, it matters because acquisitions can change network coverage, pricing, and how drivers experience charging.
time of day tariffs
"They've got some quite phenomenal pricing strategies with subscriptions and time of day tariffs that knock them down to 39 pence a kilowatt hour."
Time-of-day pricing means the price changes depending on the time you charge. It’s usually cheaper at certain hours, so drivers can save money by charging when electricity is less in demand.
Time-of-day tariffs charge different electricity prices depending on when you plug in or charge. The goal is to shift demand to off-peak hours, which can reduce costs for drivers and help grid operators manage load.
Octopus
"It's a great model and there is obviously a strong strategic partnership there with Octopus, which enables them to sort of leverage that ecosystem of energy and driver pricing."
Octopus is a partner in the charging business. The idea is that working together lets them offer better pricing and a smoother charging experience for drivers.
Octopus is mentioned as a strategic partner that helps the charging operator leverage an “ecosystem of energy and driver pricing.” Partnerships like this can bundle energy supply, app-based pricing, and charging offers into one customer proposition.
pricing model
"I think it does come back to us being quite simple. We know that over a period of time, we have certain levels of profitability hurdles that ensure the long term sustainability of our network is underpinned by our current pricing model and on our medium to long term pricing model, which is the one you've described."
They’re talking about how the charging company sets prices and plans for the future. They need to balance being affordable for drivers with having enough money to keep the network running and growing.
The guest emphasizes that their pricing model includes profitability hurdles to ensure long-term network sustainability. This highlights the trade-off between offering low prices to attract drivers and maintaining enough margin to fund operations and expansion.
Lancet portfolio
"And at the same time, if you consider the destinations that we're increasingly installing in such as within the Lancet portfolio, for example, there's Bluewater Shopping Centre, where this is a parking space number of 13,000 and 20 million"
They mention the “Lancet portfolio” as a group of places where they’re putting chargers. Where chargers are installed—like shopping centers—can affect how often people use them.
The “Lancet portfolio” is referenced as a set of destinations where the operator is installing chargers. Destination charging locations (like retail centers) can influence utilization rates and the economics of charging networks.
Bluewater Shopping Centre
"for example, there's Bluewater Shopping Centre, where this is a parking space number of 13,000 and 20 million"
They use Bluewater Shopping Centre as an example of a place where chargers are going in. Shopping centers can be good charging spots because people park for a while.
Bluewater Shopping Centre is cited as an example destination where chargers are being installed. Destination sites like this are important because they can provide predictable parking demand and longer dwell times compared with highway charging.
dynamic energy tariff
"but AI definitely does have a factor to play here, I think, in terms of how we could actually give more benefit to the customers in terms of if we get a dynamic energy tariff over a period of time, why could we not pass that on?"
Instead of paying one fixed electricity price, the cost can go up and down during the day. If the price drops at certain times, EV drivers can charge then and pay less. The goal is to reward people for charging when electricity is cheaper.
A dynamic energy tariff means the electricity price changes over time (often based on grid demand or wholesale electricity costs). For EV charging, that can let operators pass through cheaper periods to drivers, improving the economics of charging. It’s essentially a pricing model that tracks real-time or time-varying energy costs.
Green King
"we have a partnership with Green King, so they have an estate of pubs and restaurants that sort of very familiar within the kind of local community sphere"
Green King is a company that runs lots of pubs and restaurants. They’re partnering to host EV charging at those venues. That helps people charge while they’re out, especially if they can’t charge at home.
Green King is a UK pub and hospitality company with an estate of pubs and restaurants. In this segment, the host describes a partnership where charging assets are placed at those locations. That matters because it creates convenient charging for drivers who can’t install home chargers.
home charger
"people who don't have off street parking at home and therefore don't have the ability to install a home charger, but do or are increasingly driving electric cars"
A home charger is a charging plug installed where you live. It lets you charge your EV overnight without hunting for a public station. If you don’t have one, you’ll depend more on charging networks.
A home charger is an EV charging unit installed at a driver’s residence, enabling convenient overnight charging. It typically reduces reliance on public charging and can lower costs if the home tariff is favorable. In the transcript, the lack of a home charger is used to explain why drivers would use public charging assets instead.
charging network
"So that's a very active strategy we take and I think it's par and parcel of running a mature charging network."
A charging network is the system of public EV chargers around an area. It includes how much they cost and how busy they are. A “mature” network means it’s managed well so chargers don’t sit unused for long.
A charging network is the collection of public charging sites and the services that manage pricing, availability, and customer incentives. The segment frames “running a mature charging network” as involving pricing strategy, partnerships, and using incentives to keep chargers utilized. It’s not just hardware—it’s operations and demand management.
pricing strategy
"I think we're very conscious about where we do make a change and that kind of goes through the pricing strategy borders as a touched upon and we do think about, I think there are unintended consequences as well, of course, because if you do make a pricing change and perhaps competition opens up in the local area, once you lose a customer, you have to work quite hard to get them back."
Pricing strategy is how a charging company decides what to charge and when. The point is that changing prices isn’t just about short-term profit—it can affect how busy the stations are and whether customers stick around.
Pricing strategy here refers to how charging networks set electricity prices over time to balance utilization, revenue stability, and competitive dynamics. The speaker argues that sudden price changes can have unintended consequences, like losing customers if competitors react.
unintended consequences
"I think there are unintended consequences as well, of course, because if you do make a pricing change and perhaps competition opens up in the local area, once you lose a customer, you have to work quite hard to get them back."
Unintended consequences means a plan can backfire in ways you didn’t expect. Here, changing prices could make customers leave or make it easier for competitors to take them.
Unintended consequences in this context means that a pricing move can trigger second-order effects beyond the original goal. For example, a price cut might not only change utilization, but also invite new competitors or cause customer churn that’s hard to reverse.
fixed cost base
"That's absolutely the case because you've got a large fixed cost base that you have to pay regardless of how many charging sessions. So obviously, if you've got more charging sessions, you can portion that out over more charging sessions and the price per kilowatt hour drops."
Fixed costs are costs the charger operator pays even if nobody uses the stations. If more people charge, those costs get divided across more charging, so the per-kWh price can go down.
A fixed cost base is spending that doesn’t change much with the number of charging sessions (e.g., site leases, maintenance staffing, network operations). When more sessions happen, those fixed costs are spread across more kWh, lowering the effective cost per kilowatt-hour and enabling lower pricing.
Maslow's hierarchy of needs
"...there's that McKinsey study. It's stacked in a bit of a Maslow's hierarchy of needs. And I believe it's related to ultra rapid charging where the things that come into factor are pricing, reliability, availability, speed, amenities."
Maslow’s hierarchy is a way to think about what people need most. The point here is that when choosing where to charge, drivers often start with basics like “will it work and how fast,” and only then consider nicer extras.
The speaker uses Maslow’s hierarchy of needs as a framework for how EV charging decisions are influenced by different priorities. The idea is that practical needs (like getting charged reliably and quickly) come before more emotional or lifestyle-driven wants (like premium experience).
roaming operators
"Can we move on and talk about roaming operators? Who are you connected with at the moment from a Roman point of view?"
Roaming operators are the companies that make it possible to use EV chargers from different networks. Instead of being locked into one brand, your account/app can often work at more places.
“Roaming operators” refers to the ecosystem of EV charging networks that interconnect so drivers can use chargers across different brands. This typically relies on back-end agreements (and sometimes apps/cards) that let one network’s customer access another network’s stations.
EMSPs
"building out sophisticated charging infrastructure and technology, working with all the other networks and EMSPs."
An EMSP is a company that helps you access charging—usually through an app or account. They’re part of the system that lets you charge across different networks.
EMSP stands for “e-mobility service provider,” companies that provide charging access to drivers (often via apps, accounts, or roaming agreements). The segment references working with other networks and EMSPs, implying interoperability across provider ecosystems.
roaming presence
"we're actively looking at how we can increase roaming presence, but we're very confident we're where we need to be..."
Roaming is when your charging account works at other companies’ chargers too. “Roaming presence” is basically how many places you can charge without needing a separate account for each network.
Roaming in EV charging means your account/app can work across multiple charging networks, not just the one you signed up with. “Roaming presence” refers to how widely a company’s chargers are reachable through partner networks and agreements.
vehicle dashboards
"we're very confident we're where we need to be in terms of vehicle dashboards and so on."
This is about what you see inside the car—like screens and menus. The point is that charging should work smoothly through the car’s interface, not just through a phone.
“Vehicle dashboards” here likely refers to in-car interfaces and connectivity that can show charging info or integrate with charging services. The speaker suggests they’re confident their solution is aligned with how drivers interact with charging through the car’s UI.
ZAP map
"alongside ZAP map, which is still my go to tool... Why look to develop your own app... Why not sort of go to someone like ZapMap and say, can you add this functionality to your app on our behalf..."
Zap-Map helps you locate EV charging stations and figure out what’s available. The discussion is about whether ChargePoint should rely on Zap-Map features instead of building its own app from scratch.
Zap-Map is a popular EV charging app/site used to find chargers and plan charging. Here, it’s described as the speaker’s “go to tool,” and they discuss potentially adding app functionality via Zap-Map rather than building everything in-house.
apps
"You've kind of conveniently brought us on to the whole topic of apps... if every ChargePoint operator had their own app... you would have somewhere in the region of 150 apps."
The hosts are talking about how many different charging apps drivers might need. The idea is that charging should be easy to use repeatedly, without making you download a new app for every network.
The segment frames EV charging apps as a usability problem: if every operator had its own app, drivers would face an overwhelming number of downloads. The concept discussed is reducing friction by making charging repeatable and justifiable without forcing constant app switching.
contactless
"the most seamless charging experience... is still the thing to be strived for and contactless, of course, is an absolute must... you need contactless functionality on your charges."
Contactless means you can pay and start charging by tapping your card or phone. It’s helpful because you don’t have to install a bunch of different charging apps just to use chargers.
Contactless charging means you can start a session using a tap-to-pay method (like a card or phone) rather than relying on a specific app. The speaker argues it’s essential for both AC and DC charging so drivers aren’t forced to download and manage many apps.
AC or DC
"we've always been clear about whether it be AC or DC, you need contactless functionality on your charges."
AC and DC are two different types of charging power. DC fast charging usually gets you back on the road faster, while AC is often slower.
AC (alternating current) and DC (direct current) describe different ways chargers deliver power to an EV. DC fast charging typically provides higher power and faster charging, while AC is often used for slower charging.
LandSec
"So LandSec, for example, we work very closely not only with their asset management team to roll out the charges, which is often very complex and legal and involves liaising with multiple parties and stakeholders to roll out these charges."
LandSec is mentioned as a partner that helps decide where chargers go and how they’re rolled out. They also use customer data to understand what people want from the charging experience.
LandSec is referenced as a partner whose asset management and consumer teams are involved in deploying charging infrastructure. The key point is that site owners often shape the charging experience through site planning, customer targeting, and data-driven decisions.
ChargePoint app
"Because I've obviously got the ChargePoint app on my phone, which, incidentally, I downloaded because when I first went to the charge yard in Slough, that was what it said, download the app."
This is the phone app for finding and using ChargePoint chargers. In this story, it wouldn’t show the exact price up front, which can make charging feel unpredictable.
The ChargePoint app is the driver-facing software used to find chargers, start sessions, and view pricing/charging details. The segment highlights a real-world UX issue: the app couldn’t display the price and instead showed that pricing varies over time.
22-kilowatt charge
"There is a 22-kilowatt charge about two miles from where I'm standing at the moment. I went into the ChargePoint app and I wanted to find out how much it was going to cost me to charge at that particular location."
22 kW is how powerful the charger is. More power usually means faster charging, but your car may not be able to take the full speed.
“22-kilowatt” refers to the charger’s power rating (22 kW), which strongly influences how fast the EV can add energy. Higher kW generally means faster charging, but actual speed still depends on the car’s onboard charging limits and the charger’s real-time availability.
public ChargePoint regulations 2023
"It kept saying the price varies over time. Is that not against the public ChargePoint regulations 2023, where you should be able to know what price you're going to be charged before you actually start the charge?"
They’re talking about rules meant to make charging prices clear before you start. The issue here is the app didn’t give a fixed price up front, which feels like it goes against that transparency goal.
The speaker refers to UK public charging regulations (2023) that are intended to improve transparency—especially around pricing—so drivers can know what they’ll pay before starting a session. The complaint is that the app showed “price varies over time,” which conflicts with the expectation of upfront pricing.
PAS 1899
"Let's talk accessibility. PAS 1899, it's a standard recommendation, but it's not necessarily being enforced, particularly with Landsat, for example, and the expansion that you're putting in there."
PAS 1899 is a UK guideline/standard meant to make EV chargers easier to use for everyone, including people with accessibility needs. The discussion says it may not be strictly enforced everywhere.
PAS 1899 is a UK standard related to accessibility for EV charging—covering how chargers should be designed and how information should be presented so more drivers can use them. The segment suggests it’s recommended but not always enforced, which can lead to inconsistent accessibility outcomes.
accessible charging provisions
"...continually improve how we approach accessibility because, as you're right, with an increasing EV population, inevitably we'll have a more diverse EV park and driver set. So as sort of standard, every new site has accessible charging provisions."
This is about making EV charging easier for everyone, including people with disabilities. It usually means the chargers are placed and the parking spaces are laid out so you can actually get to the charger safely and conveniently.
“Accessible charging provisions” means EV charging sites are designed to be usable by drivers with disabilities. That typically includes things like appropriate space layout, safe access paths, and charger placement so people can reach the connector comfortably.
software-based solution
"The other side of it is how could perhaps a software-based solution enable that further. So I touched on reservable bays earlier..."
Here, “software-based” means using an app or digital system to help people find and use chargers. It can make charging easier without changing the hardware as much.
A “software-based solution” in this context means using apps, booking systems, or digital guidance to improve how drivers access charging. Instead of relying only on physical layout, software can coordinate availability, reservations, and user-specific needs.
reservable bays
"So I touched on reservable bays earlier, but we see that actually is an innovative way to give people who might have some accessibility issues peace of mind that they could secure a charger themselves with the usage of a digital journey to reserve a charger."
Reservable bays are charging spots you can book in advance. If you need a charger at a certain time—especially if getting there is difficult—booking helps make sure you’re not stuck waiting.
“Reservable bays” are EV charging spots that drivers can book ahead of time. For accessibility needs, reserving a bay can reduce uncertainty and provide peace of mind that a charger will be available at a specific time.
oversize most of the spaces
"...we're due to a quite exciting launch. Another retail portfolio where we've had to intentionally oversize most of the spaces to cater for larger commercial vehicles. So actually, everyone benefits from that portfolio..."
“Oversizing” parking spaces for EV charging sites means making the bays larger than typical. This can accommodate larger commercial vehicles and also tends to improve maneuvering room and accessibility for all drivers.
amenities at charging stations
"And then I think the other things were sort of getting into amenities, but launching cubicles and toilets on other hubs in destinations where the destination car parks themselves are actually quite big."
Amenities are the helpful extras at charging stops, like toilets and places to wait comfortably. They make it easier to spend the time you need to charge without it being miserable.
“Amenities” refers to on-site facilities that make charging trips more comfortable—like restrooms and sheltered areas. For drivers, especially on longer routes, amenities can turn charging from a chore into a more tolerable stop.
MFG
"...I'm also a big fan of these canopies. Now, if we look at, I don't like doing comparisons between CPO, but if we look at someone like MFG, with very, very few exceptions, it doesn't matter"
The speaker references “MFG” while discussing charging-site strategy and comparisons. In this context, it appears to be a charging operator or network, and the comment suggests differences in how widely they deploy features like canopies or accessibility improvements.
Fastead
"where they put charges. They'll always put a canopy over it. And yeah, we know Fastead do that as well. There are very, very few others that will do that at all locations."
They’re talking about another company that sets up charging stations with a roof (a canopy). The point is that it makes charging easier and more comfortable when the weather is bad.
Fastead is mentioned as another operator that provides canopy coverage at charging locations. In the EV charging world, canopy-equipped sites can improve usability by protecting users and cables from rain and sun.
canopies
"So canopies, I like them. And you've already mentioned our raw slough charge yard where we have a canopy. ... if you're in a wheelchair, you are going to be exposed to the elements for a lot longer than somebody who is able-bodied. As you try and negotiate your way around the vehicle, potentially with a heavy cable on your lap and trying to get all that plugged in."
A canopy is basically a roof over the charging station. It helps keep you and the charging cable protected from rain, and it can make plugging in easier—especially if you need more time or have limited mobility.
Canopies are protective roofs over EV chargers that shield users, vehicles, and cables from rain and sun. The episode treats canopies as more than aesthetics—there are planning considerations, and they can be especially important for accessibility and safety when users must handle heavy charging cables.
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