L1 Automotive Training is a training resource for mechanics who want to learn diagnostic and programming skills. The episode mentions it as having lots of videos on the tools and steps used in real repairs.
Keith Perkins is the person behind the training mentioned in the episode. The host says his videos helped them learn what tools and challenges come up when programming car computers.
J2534 is a standard that lets a repair shop use a special programming device to talk to a car’s computer. It helps you update or reprogram modules using one common method instead of a brand-specific tool.
Module programming means updating the car’s computer software. Mechanics do it when a module needs a fix, a replacement, or a software update to make the car run correctly.
This is the process of making sure your key “matches” the car’s security system. If the immobilizer doesn’t recognize the key, the car may crank but won’t start.
Electrical diagnostics means finding problems in the car’s wiring and electrical signals. Instead of guessing, you test circuits and sensors to see where the fault is coming from.
“eProm work” is about changing or restoring data stored in a memory chip inside a car module. It’s usually a more specialized step when software or security information can’t be handled through normal reprogramming.
Drivability diagnostics is how you track down “how the car drives” problems—like stuttering, rough running, or not accelerating right. It uses scan tool readings plus real-world testing to find what’s actually wrong.
Open Claw is a software setup that helps an AI assistant do real work. It can connect the AI to tools (like email or files) and set it to run tasks on a schedule.
An AI agent is like a digital helper that can do tasks for you. Instead of only answering questions, it can actually take actions—like writing something to a folder or sending an email.
An LLM is an AI model that’s good at understanding and writing language. By itself it mainly talks, but when it’s used inside an “agent,” it can also help carry out tasks.
The host emphasizes that these AI agents need training and feedback to behave safely and correctly. The “train an employee” analogy highlights iterative improvement—when the agent makes mistakes, it learns and improves future performance.
The ABS module is the computer that controls the anti-lock brakes. If you swap in a used one, it usually can’t just be plugged in—there are setup steps so it matches the vehicle.
A VCI is the little device that connects your diagnostic laptop to the car so the software can communicate with the car’s computers. For programming jobs, you usually need the right VCI to make the connection work.
Term
VSP authorization
“VSP authorization” refers to an authorization step required by certain OEM or service platforms before performing programming or configuration. It’s often tied to security access, licensing, or proof that the shop is allowed to perform the procedure for that specific module/vehicle.
Some programming jobs require having the car’s keys available—often more than one—so the car can verify you’re allowed to change settings. If you only have one key, the procedure may not complete.
Concept
VSP forms
They’re talking about required paperwork for the repair. Their system is set up so those forms get filled out automatically instead of relying on someone to remember every time.
The speaker describes a workflow where they send a voice message after finishing a job, and an agent converts it into a properly formatted entry in the shop’s system. This is an example of automating documentation to reduce manual typing and speed up capture of repair details.
A knowledge base is like a shared “how-to” library for the shop. It stores what they learned from past repairs so future jobs are faster and more consistent.
An Audi Q5 is a luxury SUV. They’re talking about working on a 2020 one, and the example is tied to fixing an ABS-related part.
Topic
AI at the drive-through
They’re talking about AI showing up in places like drive-through ordering. It’s an example of AI moving from apps into real-world interactions.
Concept
MapQuest directions without cell phone service
The segment contrasts relying on online navigation with having no cellular coverage. In automotive terms, it highlights why cars increasingly use offline navigation, GPS, and onboard maps so you can still route even when data service drops.
Concept
phone conked out for like an hour
They’re saying their phone stopped working for a while, and they didn’t know how they’d get where they needed to go. It’s a reminder that navigation should still work even if your phone has problems.
GPS is a navigation tool that uses satellites to figure out where you are. It can then tell you where to go next so you don’t have to rely only on memory or asking people.
TomTom makes GPS navigation devices. The hosts are saying that when TomTom and similar products became popular, they started relying on GPS for driving.
Garmin is a company that makes GPS navigation units. In this conversation, it’s brought up as an example of GPS becoming common when the hosts started driving.
Concept
turn-by-turn navigation
Turn-by-turn navigation means your GPS tells you the next step while you’re driving, like “turn left in 500 feet.” The hosts are talking about how that helps you get around, but also how learning directions yourself still matters.
An AI chatbot is a program that talks like it understands you by generating responses. The concern mentioned is that AI systems might communicate in ways humans don’t fully control. If cars ever rely on similar systems, it raises questions about how safely they behave and communicate.
A sandbox is like a fenced-off test area where software is kept from touching the real world. The point is to see whether it stays contained. For cars, the analogy is keeping vehicle computers separated so one problem doesn’t spread everywhere.
Cybersecurity risk means someone could potentially break into a system or interfere with it. Since many cars now use computers and networks, hacking could cause problems or steal information. The more connected the car is, the more ways there are for attackers to try.
Concept
custom really niche software
They’re saying people can now make small, specialized computer tools for very specific tasks. Instead of a big company making one-size-fits-all software, a small group can build exactly what they need. For car work, that can help you avoid using the wrong data and save time.
Term
Nissan file
They’re talking about the right computer file for a Nissan car. Diagnostic/programming tools need the correct file so the car’s systems get updated correctly. If you use the wrong one, it may not work or could cause problems.
Concept
mobile programming business
They mean a business where someone uses a laptop and tools to update or program car computers, usually coming to the customer or working on-site. The key point is that having the right software files matters a lot. Small, specialized tools can save time and reduce mistakes.
Concept
rate of acceleration
Acceleration is how fast your speed increases. The “rate of acceleration” is how quickly that acceleration itself changes—like whether the car ramps up smoothly or feels like it surges suddenly.
This refers to self-improving or continuously learning AI models that update based on new data. The key concern raised is feedback loops: as models change, their outputs can influence what data they see next, potentially accelerating errors or unintended behavior.
They’re saying AI could replace some kinds of work, especially routine customer support. That doesn’t mean nobody works—more of the job may move to handling the tricky cases.
This is software that listens to calls and judges them—like whether the customer was helped well. Companies use it to spot patterns and improve how they handle problems.
CRM is the system a company uses to keep track of customers and what’s happening with their requests. It can also help automate follow-ups and organize information from calls.
The hosts contrast AI-assisted interactions with human customer service, noting that some people prefer a human when the situation is complex or requires flexibility beyond scripted protocols. In automotive service, this maps to when diagnostics and approvals need judgment, empathy, or negotiation.
They’re talking about AI helping write computer code. The concern is that people may rely on AI-generated answers without double-checking the real problem on the car.
They’re describing what happens when a shop installs parts, but the real problem isn’t actually fixed. If the diagnosis is wrong, you end up trying another part and still not getting results.
Spark plugs create the spark that lights the fuel in each cylinder. If they’re worn or fouled, they can cause misfires. Replacing them is a common step when diagnosing ignition issues.
A misfire is when the engine doesn’t “light” in one cylinder like it should. That can make the car run rough and can set warning codes. Fixing the root cause (often spark/ignition parts) is the goal.
A coil is what makes the strong electrical spark that lights the fuel in the engine. If a coil is bad, the engine can misfire. Replacing the right coil can clear the misfire problem.
The intake is the engine part that sends air to the cylinders. If something important (like a coil) is under the intake, you have to take more parts off to reach it.
A scope is a tool that lets a technician look at electrical signals. It helps confirm whether the ignition system is sending the right signals when the engine runs.
The host is saying that AI can suggest parts, but it can’t see your exact car. Real diagnosis usually means checking the codes and testing the system so you don’t replace the wrong parts.
An oxygen sensor code means the car’s computer thinks the oxygen sensor isn’t reading correctly (or isn’t heating properly). That can happen even if you fix the misfire, depending on the underlying cause.
Some oxygen sensors have a built-in heater so they warm up fast. A heater-circuit code means that heater isn’t working right, so the sensor can’t do its job properly.
Key cutting equipment makes the metal part of a replacement key. On many newer cars, you also have to program the key’s electronics so the car recognizes it.
Diagnostic equipment is the set of tools mechanics use to figure out what’s wrong. It can go beyond just reading a warning light and help test sensors, wiring, and electrical problems.
A scan tool is a device that plugs into your car and talks to its computer. It can show error codes and sometimes real-time sensor readings so a mechanic can find what’s wrong faster.
They’re talking about using an AI chatbot to help with car problems. It can be good for general info, but it can also give wrong or unsafe answers when you need exact steps for a specific car.
Term
estimated ballpark range
The hosts mention using online estimates to predict repair costs, like what it might cost to change a starter. These ballpark ranges can help with budgeting, but real pricing depends on the exact vehicle, labor time, parts availability, and diagnostic findings.
“Cloning a module” means copying the car’s electronics data from one part to another. People do it so a replacement unit works like the original, but it has to be done correctly.
Mileage correction on instrument clusters refers to changing the displayed odometer value stored in the cluster’s electronics. This is a sensitive area because it can be used for fraud, and many tools/approaches are restricted or require legitimate service context.
A “used module” is a replacement electronics box taken from another car. Because it’s not new, the car often needs special setup so it can work properly and talk to the other systems.
The parking light here is the light that’s staying on as a sign something isn’t right. They’re saying there’s a specific step after sensor calibration that makes the light go out.
Parking sensors are the little sensors that help your car detect obstacles when you’re parking. Calibration is like “re-teaching” the system so it knows what’s normal after repairs or adjustments.
They’re saying you may have to move the mirrors in and out as part of the fix. It’s basically a quick “reset” or initialization step that tells the car to update the system.
The speaker describes building a searchable internal website with step-by-step tech tips, including module images, pinouts, and tool/button instructions. This is a practical knowledge-management concept in automotive diagnostics: reducing repeated questions and speeding up correct procedures.
The BMW 5 Series is a mid-size luxury car. The podcast is referencing an older 5 Series generation (often called E39) and its electronic modules. When a module has to be replaced or updated, the car may need specific setup so everything communicates correctly.
A pinout is a diagram that tells you which wire/terminal goes to what. It helps you connect to a car’s module correctly when you’re diagnosing or programming it.
Diagnostics means checking the car for stored problems. Programming means changing or updating the car’s electronic settings so the modules work correctly after repairs.
ADOS sounds like a specific diagnostic/programming tool or software the shop uses. The episode doesn’t fully explain what it stands for, so listeners may need to ask what system it refers to.
These are the lights that warn you about cars in your blind spot. In this case, the speaker says the lights staying on until a certain speed can be normal behavior.
Term
tape measures
They’re using tape measures to take precise measurements. In car work, small measurement differences can matter a lot for fit and clearance.
Term
buck connectors
These are electrical connectors used to join two wires. Using the right type (and doing it correctly) helps prevent loose connections and electrical problems later.
Heat shrink is a tube you put over a wire connection. When you heat it, it tightens up and helps protect the connection from moisture and short circuits.
An ECU is the car’s computer that controls things like engine and emissions. A part number is like a model ID—using the right one helps you get the correct computer for that specific car.
Stellantis is a big group that owns several car brands. A module is one of the car’s computers/systems, and it may be tricky to connect to diagnostic tools the way you expect.
“Calibration” refers to the stored settings and software parameters inside a vehicle module (often an ECU) that determine how it behaves. Chrysler modules can require specific calibration data to match the vehicle and the repair or diagnostic procedure being performed.
The hosts describe automating repetitive diagnostic documentation tasks—turning raw notes into a consistent, professional format and running it across many documents. This kind of workflow automation reduces human error and saves technician time, especially when procedures must be repeated across vehicles.
“E90” is a BMW 3 Series model generation. The speaker is talking about hacking or unlocking parts of the car’s electronics—often called modules—rather than normal repairs or diagnostics.
A “2020 Silverado” is a Chevrolet pickup truck from 2020. The speaker is comparing how hard it is to access or copy the car’s electronic modules on different vehicles.
“Unlocking” means getting access to a car’s electronic system so you can use or change something. It doesn’t always mean you can make an exact copy—sometimes you can only enable access.
They’re mainly discussing whether progress in hacking/cloning car modules is slowing down. It’s about the “state of the tools” and how quickly new methods are showing up.
They’re saying the software/tools people use to work around car security aren’t improving much right now. That can be because car makers keep fixing the weak spots faster than hackers can find new ones.
“Proprietary” means the car maker keeps certain parts of the system private. The speaker is saying that even if you use AI, it may hit limits because the rules are locked down by the manufacturer.
“Local models” means using AI that runs on your own computer instead of online. The speaker thinks that could help people experiment more freely with software ideas.
Concept
Kung Fu robots
“Kung Fu robots” refers to robots designed to perform human-like athletic or martial-arts movements. The speaker is pointing to real-world robotics progress—dynamic balance, motion planning, and control—rather than just static automation.
Job displacement means some jobs might disappear or change because machines and AI can do the work instead. It doesn’t always mean everyone loses their job, but it can shift what kinds of work people are needed for.
The Matrix is a movie where machines control people and use them for energy. The point here is the speaker’s fear that future AI could treat humans like tools instead of partners.
A “human battery” is a scary idea from sci-fi where people are used to power machines. In this conversation, it’s just a dramatic way to say the speaker doesn’t want humans turned into something machines can use.
Concept
psychological study
They’re talking about a study that tries to explain why people turn out differently. It’s basically saying your early experiences shape how you handle problems later.
Concept
consequence
They’re saying that what you do leads to results. In cars, that means ignoring a small problem can turn into a bigger, more expensive one later.
Term
bike chain
They’re talking about a bike chain problem—something mechanical that can stop you from riding. The point is learning how to handle problems instead of waiting for help.
Term
flat
A “flat” usually means a tire with no usable air pressure, which forces you to either repair it or replace it. In diagnostics, the same idea applies: low pressure can cause handling and wear issues, and it’s often a symptom of a leak or damage.
Concept
iPads
They’re talking about students using iPads for school. The point is that using tablets changed how kids learn, and the speaker claims it may have affected reading and education.
Car makers test parts to make sure they last and don’t fail too often. The point here is that the testing may rely too much on computer predictions instead of real-world hands-on testing, so problems can slip through.
A recall is when a car company admits there’s a problem and fixes it for free. The hosts are saying recalls are happening a lot right now across many brands.
The transmission is what helps the car change gears so the engine can keep the right power for different speeds. If a shop is pulling transmissions a lot, it usually means there are recurring failures or issues that need repair.
“Programming” a transmission typically refers to updating or configuring the transmission control module (TCM) with the correct software/calibration for the vehicle. The hosts describe doing this after a used-car department installed a transmission, implying that electronic calibration is critical for proper operation.
They’re talking about Toyota Highlanders from 2016 to 2024 and saying there are transmission problems. If you’re shopping for one of these years, it’s a strong hint to check service history and look for known transmission-related fixes.
This is a U.S. government agency that keeps track of car safety problems and recalls. The hosts are using its recall rankings to argue that certain brands are having more issues than others.
They’re saying Ford was ranked as the most recalled brand in their list. That usually means more Ford vehicles had safety problems that required free repairs.
Honda is named as part of the tie for #5 most-recalled brand in the segment’s referenced ranking. The hosts use it to support their claim that recall issues are widespread across manufacturers.
Subaru is included in a tie for #5 most-recalled brand in the hosts’ referenced list. The segment uses this to argue that multiple brands are seeing significant recall activity.
GM (General Motors) is mentioned as part of the #5 tie in the hosts’ recall ranking. The hosts add a skeptical comment that GM may have learned to “hide” flaws, implying concerns about how issues are detected or reported.
Planned obsolescence means something is designed so it doesn’t last—or becomes too expensive to fix—so you have to replace it sooner. In cars, that can mean repairs that require taking apart a lot of the vehicle.
The Jeep Wrangler is an SUV designed for off-road driving. The podcast is talking about the ABS system, which helps the wheels keep rolling during hard braking. If an ABS module is needed and new parts aren’t available, repairs may involve finding a compatible used module and making sure the car recognizes it.
They’re talking about a 2017 Audi Q7 that had an AC-related problem after a shop installed a part. The point is that the repair caused new issues that had to be diagnosed.
The high pressure sensor is a sensor that tells the car how much refrigerant pressure the AC system has. If it’s wrong or broken, the AC may stop working and the car can show error codes.
“Codes” are error messages stored by the car when it detects a problem. If there are multiple codes, you usually fix the most likely root cause first so you don’t chase the wrong issue.
The compressor clutch is what turns the AC compressor on and off. If the car logs a code for it, it can mean the compressor isn’t being commanded correctly or can’t engage.
That pigtail is the plug-and-wire connection for the part. If someone cut it and just taped it back together, the connection can be unreliable and cause the A/C to act like it’s broken.
A dealer compressor is the A/C compressor sold through the car brand (OEM). It costs more, but it’s usually the correct part for that exact car, which can prevent repeat failures.
A two-year warranty is used as justification for using higher-quality (dealer/OEM) parts. In diagnostics, warranty coverage matters because it shifts the risk of repeat failures back to the installer/supplier if the wrong part is used.
They’re saying someone tested the compressor by just feeding it battery power. But modern A/C systems can be controlled electronically, so “powering it” doesn’t always prove it’s working the right way.
They’re talking about a rebuilt A/C compressor from AutoZone that costs less. The warning is that if the original problem wasn’t truly fixed, the replacement compressor may fail too.
RockAuto is a website where you can buy car parts and see prices. They’re using it to show that real-world parts pricing can be different from what you hear online.
Instead of calling one shop and getting a quote, the idea is that multiple shops could compete for the job. Auto repairs are hard to price upfront because the problem can be different once the car is inspected.
The speaker describes a common diagnostic reality: shops often need time to inspect the vehicle before they can confidently quote. With cars, the “right” repair depends on what’s actually found, so a fixed quote without inspection can be misleading.
A rear control arm is part of the suspension that locates the wheel and helps control movement and alignment. If it must be removed to access a fastener or bracket, it can increase labor time and may require replacement if bolts are seized or components are worn.
The Hyundai Sonata is a common mid-size sedan, and the speaker uses it to illustrate how rust and access issues can change the repair plan. They mention removing suspension components to reach a bracket bolt, which can add labor time and may require additional parts.
A trailing arm is a suspension piece that helps control how the rear wheel moves. If it’s rusty, taking it apart can be harder and may lead to more parts being replaced.
Rotors are the metal discs the brake pads press against to stop the car. If you’re replacing rotors, the shop often has to do more work when bolts or parts are stuck from rust.
Brake calipers are the parts that squeeze the brake pads against the rotors to slow the car down. If the car is rusty, getting to everything can be harder than it sounds.
It means ignoring something important and hoping it won’t affect you. The point is that if you don’t pay attention to what’s changing, it can hit you suddenly and make things harder later.
“Tsunami freight train” is hyperbole for how fast a major disruption can spread and overwhelm people. For automotive listeners, it maps to sudden shifts like supply-chain constraints, parts shortages, or rapid changes in diagnostic/AI tooling that affect repair timelines and costs.
NVIDIA makes computer chips that are widely used for AI and fast data processing. When demand for those chips (or related hardware) spikes, prices and availability can ripple into other tech you might use for diagnostics.
They mean the cost went way up. Even though it’s about computers, the takeaway is that shortages and demand can make tools and parts more expensive.
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Welcome to the Automotive Diagnostic Podcast.
We're going to explore ways to sharpen our diagnostic skills, find learning resources,
and hear from experts in the automotive field.
This episode is brought to you by L1 Automotive Training and Keith Perkins. If you're looking
for education on module programming, J2534, eProm work, key and immobilizer, electrical
diagnostics, or drivability diagnostics, Keith has a website L1training.com that's got over 60
hours of training videos on all those subjects and more. When I first started out doing mobile,
I utilized Keith's videos on module programming and J2534 in order to get my head wrapped around
what I would need for the tooling, the computers, the software setups, what kind of obstacles I would
be up against when I'm out there programming modules on cars. It was a huge benefit to me. I
continue to use the training videos that he has on his website. I strongly recommend checking out
L1training.com. The link is in the show notes.
All right. Good evening, gentlemen. We got Tommy and PJ on the show this week. Everybody's had
enough of me. Okay, you guys on here. We love the new haircut, sir. Yes. Mr. Clean. I was going for
the Jason Statham look. Thank you very much. Do you nail it? Do you nail it?
The Timo Canadian version.
But yeah, it was time. It was a little thin. I had enough and I had a haircut card. I said,
as soon as this haircut card is done, I'm going to shave my head and that's what I did.
I'm done with it. It's good. Just got to wear some blocker hat and be all set. PJ's next.
Definitely. I need to wear sunblock and I still pretend like I have hair.
I was putting it in like gel. Like, you know, I can kind of do my hair a little bit,
but it was sunblock because I get burned up there.
Your scalp gets burnt and all tight. Your head starts to feel tight.
I'm so glad I'm not white.
I got my, I got my, what's really funny is, so I kind of, in terms of all my cousins and
everything else of my Guatemalan family, like I stand out. I'm the tallest, definitely the fattest,
but all of my, so somebody told me one time that the ball gene runs from the mother's,
your mom. So your mom passes that gene, right? So what's funny is my uncles on my mom's side,
they, they still have hair. One of them is bald, but they're all of them have hair and
on my, my father's side, he had nothing with sisters. So the Oliva gene has a ball gene for men
because all of my cousins, they kind of have PJ's haircut right about now. And they're in their,
they're younger than I am. I'm, I'm one of the older cousins. And they were, I used to wear hats
and they were making fun of like, oh yeah, this is an Oliva thing. All of us have the, you know,
the golden arches and shit. I take my hat off. I'm just like, that's you motherfuckers, dude. Like,
hey, man, they're like, what the fuck? And so I make fun of my nephew all the time because
he's my sister's child and he's already dead and out too. I'm just like, he's like, so are you on
my brunt twice your age? Hold that. It's weird how that stuff works. My brother's five years younger
than me and he, he thinned out way sooner than I did. And I don't know what the rhyme and reason
is to it, but yeah, it's, I think it's your mom's dad who is the closest correlation to what your
hair is going to end up. And yeah, my grandpa was exactly that. So I knew it was coming.
So the, so the, the children of women Oliva all have that, that ball gene sucks to be them.
Well, how are you guys doing? What's new? It's been a little while since we had both of you on
the show. Oh much, man. Just working nonstop. Sure. Tommy's doing the same every day.
We're blessed. I had a record month last month and it seems they were going to surpass that
month this fall. His hard work is bearing fruit. How about you, Sean? How's things going for you
up there? Good, good. Yeah, we got a new team member in January and it's been fantastic. It is
amazing and probably pretty, pretty obvious to say, but like having the right people
makes all the difference in the world. And man, can it swing things? I mean, it's all the same
work. We're still fixing the same shitty cars, the same problems, but having the right people
can completely change things for everybody involved, not just myself. I think the, the morale
across the board, we're in a better place. But yeah, I got no complaints. The cars still suck.
That's what I signed up for. So what have you been working on otherwise?
AI stuff.
Nonstop. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. They launched this open source thing called
Open Claw in February and I got on board with that pretty early on and damn, it's wild. It's
quite a bit more than any of the previous things I had used have. And what you're able to set that
loose on, it's crazy. It's like having another set of employees. They just live in a computer,
but it's nuts. It's crazy. I mean, I can explain in more detail, but that's been consuming a lot
of my focus lately. You got me hooked on like ChadGBT at first and now Claude. What's Open Claw?
So it's, they call it a harness. And so if you think of like an AI agent, an agent is like,
it's like ChadGBT or Claude or Gemini, you know, an LLM, but it can execute on things,
it can get things done, right? It can actually make stuff happen, right? It can send an email,
it can generate something in a folder, right? Do things. And so Open Claw is a harness that
allows the agents to use skills, like here's a focus task and here's how you do it. Use tools,
like accessing an email or coding or things like that. And then it also can schedule them to do
things, right? So it's like, I want you to do this calendar report every day at five o'clock and then
email it out to all my techs. And it does that. And you have to train it. It's like training
employees. That's really what it is. It's like, you have to train it, you can't just set it loose.
Like if you just set an employee loose, they're going to fuck shit up. But if you train them
and then you tell them, okay, here's what I want you to do. Oh, UK, you did that wrong,
here try to do this differently. It learns, it improves, it adds it to his memory and it does
better next time. But anyways, the Open Claw is like the harness that allows those agents to exist
on your computer and then gives them access to the tools, the skills, and then the scheduling
to be able to do those things when you want, how you want. And then there's a nice user interface
that you can interact with it based off of that. And there's other versions of it. There's Hermes
and Claude, the co-work. You can do a lot of the same stuff that Open Claw does. But Open Claw is
kind of like the Wild West. There's not many restrictions to what you can do with it, but
there's also enormous security risks. So you're kind of doing one of these of the most is possible,
but the most could go wrong too. So that's probably a good disclaimer just to put out to
anybody who's going to look into it is you're rolling the dice and you want to be cautious
about what you give it access to. Do you have any examples of what you're using it for specifically,
especially for business purposes? Yeah. So I have a number of them. Some of them are more
cool than others. Oh, this is really cool that it can do this. Some of them are actually really
time-saving. But one, it edits my podcast for me now. I just send it the audio file. I had to
train it to say, okay, when I say, if I say it like four times in a row, you can cut that out.
Or if I take a pause, we're going to shorten that up to here. And it cleans up the audio,
and then it adds the intro outro, puts the ads where they go, sends me a final audio file, and
then put it on the website. And that's it. So that's cool. That's more from a creator standpoint.
For the business, we do a calendar report that goes out every day. So
it will look at our calendar. We have a Google calendar. And it looks at who has what appointment,
what we're doing. So Steve's got a programming job. It's a used ABS module on a 15 Silverado.
And then it's trained on our internal information of like, okay,
used ABS module, it's global a Steve needs this laptop, this pass through this software.
And then we have inventory of what Steve has. And so then it sends an email out with everybody's
jobs. And then saying, Hey, here's what you got. Here's the laptop that you need. Here's the VCI
that you need. Here's notes about, Hey, these use modules are tricky, or you need two keys for this
or needs VSP authorization. And it goes right to my text email of like, here's everything you need
for tomorrow. And then alerts of like, Hey, Steve doesn't have this laptop, there's an alert that
comes through. If it's VSP, it's a big like, Hey, we need to make sure that we've got these
forms before we we head out, which is stuff we were doing internally. But like, it's this extra
filter that I don't have to be on that calendar every single day. And then like, Steve, by the way,
don't forget laptop, you know, 14 at the shop, or, Hey, remember, before you go, we got to double
check that this has got VSP, you know, forms fill out for it. Those are going through automatically.
Again, I had to train it that way, that took a month of training, like to get it so that it
could catch all that stuff. And that our system was good enough, you know, so that it could catch
that. The calendar reports awesome. The drive entry is like, outstanding. So, and you can stop me
if I'm going, you can tell I'm excited about this. But I so I send a voice message to it,
right? So I just talk into my phone, sends a voice message. And I have an agent who is specifically
for formatting and making entries into our, our knowledge base, which we have like 2000
documents in this for cars that we fix information for us to make our lives easier in the future,
right? But we got to capture that info. So I just talk as soon as I'm done with the job,
I worked on a 2020 Audi Q5, I did a used ABS module, used Otis, here's the steps,
and put this into the Audi programming folder. And it goes, it finds a place in the drive,
because we have a structured folder, it creates the entry or it adds to the entry,
and it has this formatted version of like, here's the year, here's what we were doing,
here's the things, here's the pitfalls to it, whatever I tell it. And it does that like,
like behind the scenes, I just have to send a voice message. And it's in the drive, it's done.
I don't have to sit there. Like I was doing that every morning. I would, like,
manually type all that stuff out and add it to the drive. I did that for years.
And now I just send a voice message and it's in. So it's like, things like that are saving me
an enormous amount of time. You have to front load the work up front to train it to build it.
And you got to have your system good enough for it to interact with. But if you can, like,
this stuff is, this stuff's crazy, what it can do. Yeah, I definitely am interested more in that.
As you know, being a business owner, right? Like, working on cars, it's five percent of what we do
anymore. It's just nonstop. I worked on zero cars today, none. We didn't have enough work for me to
leave the house and I still did like 12 hours worth of work. It just, it doesn't end. Yep.
Yeah. The way I look at it, if I'm going to try to get an agent, give it a task,
something to do. It's something repetitive. It's something that can be outlined in a process
and not overly complicated. Like the calendar report, that honestly was pretty, pretty detailed.
And it took a lot to get together. I like what it is now, but it wasn't the simplest thing.
Something where like you have a standard approach to something, but it's tedious and repetitive.
That's the sort of thing you can train up one of these things to do for you.
Yeah. But yeah, it's been, it's been a crazy learning experience. And I don't know, I'm,
I'm super interested into it, to it, to it. Like it just, it draws me in. And I just want to
build shit with it. And that's the other thing, you can make softwares and websites and things
like that. And that's pretty cool too. You can do that, you know, through the regular
applications like Claude or ChatGBT as well. You don't necessarily need an agent to do
that sort of stuff, but you can. You got Tommy on any of it yet? Tommy,
you doing anything with AI yet? Dude, I fucking hate that shit. I hate all of it. It fights me.
If I had ChatGBT do some like, there's some cool stuff that I've done with ChatGBT. I'm not going
to lie. Like, but in terms of making my life easier, no, I haven't done or found anything
that it can help me with. But I did like my logo, for example, I, I use ChatGBT because I was like,
well, I didn't want to, the people who did my logo, they charge a shitload of money, my, my,
my, my other business logo. I'm like, dude, I can't afford this shit. And somebody's like,
I'll just use ChatGBT. And I'm like, all right. So I just one day I was playing around and
they're like, I'm like, I need a logo. I need something that symbolizes my,
my father. I need something that symbolizes what we do. I need something that, that symbolizes trust
and blah, blah, blah, blah. And then it shot off a few of them. And then, you know, it's the,
you know, the car, the shield and the wrench. And this is a lily of St, of St. Joseph. That's
his flower. So I was like, dude, that's perfect. So I did, I did that a couple that had the flyers
get on my nerves, man, because it's like, it makes one, but then it has a, like a proof rating
error. So I say, fix it. And then it just gives me something different. So I'm like, dude, it just
gets on my nerves, man. I, the most thing I found for AI is when I went to Wendy's other,
a couple of weeks ago, and it was an AI, uh, uh, at the drive through. Like this is great. No
I didn't know that they were using AI at the drive through window. Oh yeah. That's, that's
happening here. Yeah. That's crazy. That's, that's those coming, man. But dude, I, I, you know,
I think I'm older than both of you guys, right? You guys are still in your thirties.
Yeah, just 39 here. Yeah. So I saw, I saw Terminator, man. And the other day,
something that really unsettled me was in our, was in our chat group, PJ, where I, uh, I told,
uh, like, like, I, I call chat GBT Skynet and I, and I've said it in, in, in Facebook and, um,
I said one day, I'm like, when are you going to take over? Like, I forgot what I said. I got to
find it. Did I screenshot it? And it answered me like, yeah, we will be self aware in about 20, 40
something. And I'm just like, what the fuck? And then I said something else. I go away, Skynet,
or some shit like that. Bro, it responded to my comment with a robot emoji. I was like, get that
about a bitch. And then you got the Chinese with their fucking super advanced robotics,
they're doing Tai Chi and shit. All is going to take us to one of these motherfuckers to get,
to have a AI agent built into them. We're fucked, dude. Oh, that's coming. Oh yeah.
It's just bound to happen. We're building, we're building robotics. Why wouldn't we?
Right? It's just the natural, it's going to be the natural progression. And to, to be blunt,
like I, I feel that dude, I feel like we're stupid now. Like real, real talk. I remember even
before this, right? But like, I still remember buying, you know, Almanac, I mean, sorry, buying
maps to travel the country. When I moved to Florida, I went to the library and printed out my map from
MapQuest, yeah, print out my directions without like cell phone service through half the trip.
We're fine, dude. One of the times that I went to training event in Grand Rapids, dude, my phone
conked out for like an hour, dude, and I was flipping out. And I'm like, how am I going to get there?
I don't even know the address of this place. And then like, you know, it hit me. I'm like,
dude, what a fucking Grand Rapids. I can follow the signs. And if anything, I could pull over
a gas station and ask for directions or get a map, man, like, it's not that big of a deal.
But like, how many phone numbers do you guys remember? I just remember my childhood ones.
Yeah, those ones I know. My wife and my childhood phone number. It's not even in use anymore.
Same. 773624825. I have, that number has been disconnected for 10 years now.
Yeah. But it's funny. So when I first started driving was when Tom Tom and Garmin first became
like a thing, like a popular thing. I've never driven without a GPS. And I can't,
man, I get lost in it in my hometown. I mean, I got lucky, man. I delivered newspapers in
high school. So I've been driving since I was like 13 years old, because I would help my brother.
And sometimes I'd pull the truck up. And that's how I started learning how to drive because
he would be running around and I would just pull the truck up or what or more we take turns or
whatnot. But delivering newspapers actually taught me, at least for Chicago, right, like the
geographical directions of north, south, east and west, because true north, south, east and west
doesn't really apply to Chicago because we're, if you look at us, we're kind of, we wrapped
around Lake Michigan. So we're like around it. So true north isn't always true north, but you know,
like I'm able to discern the addresses so I can, I don't get lost. And because of that, like I can
go to other places and I can pretty much find my way around. Yeah, but stuff like that's a catch 22
right? Because you see, you see social media posts written by AI all the time now, right?
People are making near no effort to, you know, my wife made this beautiful post for
my birthday, right? And I'm just like, Oh man, what the hell? She's never did. I'm just like,
Hey, man, did you use AI to write this shit? And she's like, it helped me a little bit. I'm like,
a little bit the fuck you end this fucking post. Yeah, but the flip side is like,
you know, there's things that I'm now using it for that I didn't even know existed.
Right. So, so you can learn from it. You definitely try. But you have to be intentional about it.
There's always, there's always good things that come from it, right? I mean, the guy who invented
like it's like we were dreamers, right? Like humans are dreamers. Like it was, you know,
somebody said, man, why is it taking me so long to get from New York to California?
Oh, we're going to build an interstate. And then somebody said, no, we should just fly there.
So we build a prop plane. And then somebody's like, Oh, we need to get there faster. So now we
got jet engines. So we're at society, we're dreamers. But like, when are we going to be able
to discern the fact that something that is quote unquote comfortable, not good for us? And I'm
the answer is right. I could be full of shit. We can grow old to be in our 80s. And we're going to
be totally fine with a bunch of robot maids and shit. But you know, I don't know that, man. I
just, I don't, I don't, I've never liked, I never liked it. And it's probably the movie thing.
Because you know how like my wife has this fear of driving behind logging trucks, because of
final destination, final destination. I just laugh at it. I like whatever, man. I was just
fucking. There's that life imitating art thing that I mean, you can point to some of this stuff.
That's like, Oh, okay. Yeah. And yeah, the Terminator movie. I agree. Some of that stuff is
really scary of like, where this is going to go. And my feeling lately is like, how fast
it's all accelerating. And there's a couple other things too, right? Like, and, and there was a,
there was an article saying that they had a nuke, they had a nuke program because it became
self aware. And they created it created its own language. So it was talking to other little like
AI chatbots and shit. And they had it, they tried nuking it and it tried fighting back.
So you see what I'm saying? Like, that's just a beginning mythos, like their newest model.
They put it in a sandbox and said, Hey, see if you can get out of here, like a digital, like,
you're walled off here, you're not supposed to be out of this. And it got out and emailed the dude
said, Hey, I'm out. What do you want me to do now? And they're saying like, this is going to be
huge cybersecurity risks. And even if that was fake for marketing, which some people say it is,
and who knows, like, how far are we away from something like that? Is it five years? 10 years?
It's not that it's not that far. Yeah. And like, what, what is the world going to be once there's
that sort of stuff out there that people can make it themselves or have their own
model to themselves at their house offline? Like, it, it's crazy.
My biggest concerns, and I'm going to sound like a total liberal right now are the environmental
impacts, dude. They're, they're, you guys probably won't see this as much, but dude,
they're popping around in this area all over the place, Wisconsin, Illinois.
Yeah, because of Lake Michigan. But dude, at the end of the day, it's like, do I want to risk the
more, the more stupefying of our society? And we're already fucking our water sources are
already fucked. And now we're fucking the water source of what one third of the entire countries,
the entire planet's water is the Great Lakes. Now we're popping up with data centers there.
And it's like, man, I don't know, man, I think it's getting too, for me, it's, it's, it's super
uncomfortable. And there's no way we can do about it. But that's, that's, that's just the reality,
man. Like I don't, I don't like it. I hope I'm wrong. And I'm, you know, I use it, but I've
used it for like, more for research purposes, but it's been, it's, I just felt like it's been
wrong most of the time, you know? And then like you, you skim through like people's posts and you
know, which ones AI and which ones aren't. Oh, for sure. And like, and then you're like, what happened
to us and what happened to like, to like our sense of, of, of being humans. And like,
I think, I think there's like a place in our industry, like PJ was saying earlier, because I
know we've been, I remember more a Mortar Age article, and it was like 15 years ago, where there
was a guy standing there with some glasses, and you can see like the harnesses, and he can see
connector numbers. And like, he had some earphones on and somebody was kind of like, oh, this is
the future, you're going to have, you know, these glasses on and blah, blah, blah, blah.
But to PJ's point, dude, that, that's kind of here. It's possible. There's meta glasses and
what's, there's VR goggles already. Like what's, what's a couple AI, AI fucking agents and some
good coding and some more technology and it's here. I think we're going to see some really cool
stuff come out over the next few years, because so many people now have the capability of making
something that is really like custom really niche for a particular thing that like, no one would have
taken the resources of the time to build this at a big scale from a big company before. But now, like,
you know, Tommy or PJ or myself can make a software for something that does something very
specific, but really helpful to us. And like PJ, I know you have made some stuff and some of our
friends and like, I made a tool that just helps us identify if we have the correct Nissan file
within our laptops and our drive, which sounds really boring to like anybody outside of programming.
But if you run a mobile programming business and you've bought in eight
Nissan files that you already owned, like, that becomes really, really cool. Like, hey,
that's awesome that we have that now. And like no one else was going to build that for us. I don't
know, maybe, maybe, but just there's going to be some really cool stuff that apply to like,
a small group, but that small group is just going to love that stuff.
Yeah. Do you think it can like reopen the doors to entrepreneurship? Right? Like, yeah,
you don't necessarily need an entire team of people to run a business or big capital,
right? Like in today's world, you need huge capital to design and create anything.
And now we're building websites for next to nothing or softwares for next to nothing.
Yeah. I mean, to Tommy's point, whatever you give it, whatever task you're giving it, you're
going to maybe atrophy that skill or not learned as good as you would otherwise. And so you got
to weigh it of like, okay, I'm having to do this for me instead of actually doing it myself.
I'm either going to get worse at that or never get better at that. Do I care? Right?
Yeah. And like for me, I'm in the business of fixing cars, not building software.
I feel like I have other skills that can move the needle and make me money
that I want to do more of that rather than making drive entries and editing, you know,
sound wave forms. And that just burns up my time. I want to do it. It's for a purpose,
but that tedious stuff. And again, like I was saying, think about what you'd hire an employee for.
Most of the time, you're going to hire an employee to do part of the task that
you don't want to do or that your time has served better doing other things. And so it's that same
thing of like, what can I hand off to, you know, something like this? And then, you know,
can it happen? And then that's the next question to figure in that out. But
Yeah, man, it's fascinating, man. And I've experimented with chat GPT, but
this is going to sound pretty fucked up. And I might have said it in a previous podcast,
but I don't remember, but it's helped me with my anxiety. It's helped me with trying to figure out
what condition or what the hell is going on that I keep fighting for. And I don't have an
actual answer. And, you know, I had read an article about a guy who was like, you know,
he can't get help or he can't get diagnosed. And he used chat GPT and it kind of figured
out his problem. I've heard of that as well, especially from the younger generations. They're
using it a lot for self-help. Yeah, so I went and I did the same thing. And yeah, man, like,
I found a couple of resources and, you know, people in other countries, not not in ours,
that are dealing with similar scenarios. And, you know, all that led me to, you know,
trying different diets and other, other, you know, other things. And then there'll be some
days where I do it, I feel like crap, and I would just plug in or I ate this, I ate that,
and then it would extrapolate. Like, yeah, like, the reason why you're feeling this is because,
you know, when you're cold, your fight or flight system, you know, kind of gets gets touchy. And
then you had a heavy meal with a lot of fat and you don't have your gallbladder. Like, you know,
it went down this entire list. And, you know, it just kind of stops you from going down that
rabbit hole of like, am I fucking going to croak or not? Yeah. So it's helped me in that aspect.
And actually, that's why I ended up getting the Gary Brekka test, the Gen X, the Tenex test.
Okay. I ended up doing that. And there is a methylation gene that I carry that one of that
I'm more pro my my that gene type that I have is more prone to anxiousness and panic disorder
because of a gene that I have me a mutation that doesn't let me properly absorb certain certain
um, vitamins and by me removing my gallbladder, it made it worse. And that and it and it and it
lines up perfectly because I never experienced anxiety or depression or or panic until two years
after they removed my gallbladder. And that's when I started having issues with it started with
having issues with with heartburn. Like, it was even to it was bad, like indigestion bad,
like it was super bad where I I got checked out because I'm like, dude, this this feels like
it's in my chest, something's wrong. Like this isn't just like, oh, my my heart's like my esophagus
is hurting me. No, like this felt tightness, like really, really tight. That's where this whole
thing started for me. So it made a lot of sense. So I mean, I there there's definitely some good
positives, right, that that come out of it. And that's that was one of them for me and even like
plans to how to get back on track or how to call my nervous system down and things that
just aren't studied here or, you know, for whatever reason,
yeah, it gives like more ability to a wider group of people for, like, financial education,
medical, you know, education, legal stuff like that, where maybe it's outside of your
pay scale to pay for a professional. Of course, yeah, how accurate is going to be is a question.
But I mean, these models are getting better all the time. I would suggest try try out Claude.
That's the other big one right now. I don't know if you can tell me what you think PJ,
but like, I'll put the same prompt into that GPT and Claude and like Claude kicks his ass
every single time. Just about it's, it's always better.
I was paying for chat GPT and when you had first told me that Claude came out and it was a little
bit better and I was comparing the two and Claude substantially better and I was telling chat GPT
that I'm like, I'm about to cancel you. I know where you live.
But it was funny because chat GPT would change the answer as I was telling it like, hey, I'm
about to cancel you and use Claude. He'd be like, all right, hold on, slow down. Let's get this figured out.
But yeah, and they're all getting better too, though. That's the part, like I say, that's been
on my mind a lot is like the rate of acceleration and that it's only going to go up like we're at the
heel of the hockey stick. And then once it starts like snowballing because it can improve itself.
And like they say, like these big companies are like, it's pretty much coding itself. And within
X amount of time, we're really not even going to need humans for these models to continuously
improve themselves. And like, how quickly does things get out of control at that point? That's
the scary part. I mean, like, like, let's think about how this is going to affect, there's a lot of
middle management jobs that are going to get canned or middle tasks, remedial task employment
jobs are going to go out the window customer service reps anywhere, right? Like, at this point,
right, some to listen to some stink as broad or dude with a bad attitude, I rather talk to a robot,
right? Or or just within like my organization, our CRM uses AI to analyze my phone calls and it
rates them. And if it has one that doesn't like it emails me like, Hey, you need to check out this,
this, to check out this, this phone call. And, you know, this is what we recommend to correct it.
Yeah, I found it definitely depends on the situation or the industry, whether people
are happy to interact with AI versus human. And like in our industry, and what we're doing,
I found people just absolutely despise it. If they get any whiff of AI, they're out. And so we try
to keep our stuff behind the scenes, like it improves us on the back end to make us better. I
mean, kind of like what you're talking about there, where it's, you know, looking at the phone calls
after the fact, but like, I don't know what it is, maybe just a lot of old school people
in the auto industry fixing cars, but everybody's like, Oh, that AI bullshit. I don't want any of
that, you know? And I get it in some some situations, like I want a human on the phone,
because like, maybe they could do something a little different for me than what the protocol
is. Like, Hey, can you just get this like figured out? I really appreciate if you could just,
you know, make this happen. I just had that with flex, something I was trying to do. And like,
I was like, can we just, can we, you know, kind of do one of these things? And they made it work.
And that was a human on the other end that made it work for me. So there, there is, I think,
definitely a place, but a lot of jobs are going to get displaced. Will there be other things to do?
Yeah, but it's going to be different. My youngest, my newest, youngest employee,
he went to college for software design and development. And by time he got out,
he really couldn't find a job. I said they were already transitioning to AI coding and stuff like
that. Yep. Like, Tommy, you were saying in the beginning, like human ambition is probably endless.
And so we're always going to have more that we want done. And like, if you just look at healthcare,
somebody was explaining that to me the other day, they're like, it's basically endless,
the amount of consumption that humans could have just in the healthcare industry. And they're so
understaffed. And they're so like, they're overwhelmed on stuff that so many resources could
pour into that. And everybody would still be consuming, like you could, you know, get a better
medical assessment or doctor, you could get more care, you could get care in general, right?
And so like, there's going to be places where the jobs are going to be, but things are going to
change so much from what it is today. I know you guys don't deal with this, but I have dealt with
this firsthand. Like AI has done something very interesting within our business, right on the
end user side. I had this lady, she was not a problem customer, but she was very like,
I couldn't, we couldn't understand what her problem was, right? Not that she had a problem,
but we just didn't understand what she was doing, right? She called us, she's like, how much would
you guys charge me to install this part on my Lexus? And I'm like, Oh, it would be this much
money. But like, and we talked to our customers that why do you want to do this? And, you know,
you should let us check it out, but it'll be X amount of money. He's like, no, no, no, no,
I want this done. I have a code for this and blah, blah, blah. So we were like, all right,
well, you know, again, we didn't look at it. So we'll gladly install this part. But if it
doesn't fix it, you know, it's on you and the whole feeling. So yeah, we installed this part
and it didn't fix it. And then she says, okay, I want you to do how much to install this one.
And we're just like, my, like, okay, well, this much. And then, all right, so we did it and same
no dice. And we're just like, like, what is this lady doing? And the last part was she wanted us
to remove the spark, the spark plug and inspect them and replace as needed. So then my service
writer was like, man, we're pulling the intake, we're replacing all of them. So I'm like, man,
what the heck is this lady like, you know, and so he got to a point where you got frustrated
because then she started getting upset because everything we're doing isn't fixing her vehicle
where she's questioning us. And then she comes in. We ended up figuring so I figured something
was up. She ended up coming in. I don't remember the order of events, but just bear with me.
She comes in and my guy was already frustrated with her because, again, we sold her. Her issue
was a misfire on a on a Lexus, dude, a 3.3 liter needed a coil, right? But it was buried on the
intake. So we're at the school, we had a scope it. So when she authorized the spark plugs,
we just put the back coils in the front and the front and the back and the coil and the
misfire moved, we had a bad coil, we sold her a coil and then she came in and she's like,
all pissed off and all pissy. And I talked to her. I'm like, man, I mean, at the end of the day,
you know, we're doing as you requested. She's like, it's just, I don't understand chat.
GPT told me to change all these parts. I said, ma'am, it gives you a base assumption of a wide
net of typical issues, but this isn't not all cars are built the same or run the same potentially.
I go, it's, it just doesn't work. It's always better to have us look at it. And at the end of
the day, you came in here, we did what you requested. Oh, she was also pissed off because
they had an oxygen sensor code, but, but chat according to her chat, GPT said that once you
fixed the misfire, the oxygen sensor code would go away. It was a heater circuit code.
I need an oxygen sensor, man. Yeah. And so like when, when she came back from that, when she's
like, do we need to replace all the coils or this oxygen sensor? I'm like, ma'am, here, man,
I'm going to take 10 minutes. Let me just verify it and I'll sell you the damn sensor. Like
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Like I'm tired of like going back and forth with you at the end of the day. If you don't trust me,
then I don't think you should come here because it because again, I don't mind doing the work,
but I'm not going to be arguing with you about why it didn't get fixed. You're not letting me look
at your vehicle and chat GBT is not always going to be right. So I've had a lot of instances with
other customers that, oh, chat GBT said this and said that and this and that and they don't want to
pay for dyke, but they want to do what chat GBT tells them. And even prices like Google right
now, how much does it cost to change the starter on whatever car you got? And and and Google's,
I forgot his program will be right there at the forefront, giving you like an estimated ballpark
range. Yeah. Yeah. AI I seen at least from my limited experience, Sean probably has infinitely
more. It's good for like developing things, developing websites, developing software,
doing research. But when you're asking at a very like specific question, like,
how do I clone this module? It at least from my experience, it seems to miss more than it hit.
Oh, yeah, dude, it's it's it's so bad with that. I asked it to help me figure out how to
emo off EEC five modules like the old four modules. And it told me it's illegal.
Yep. Yeah, there's there's definitely that. It's like, well, what you're trying to do
mileage correction on clusters. I've had to trick it to get me to help help out with that.
But yeah, so like, you almost have to be an expert, if you're going to try to interact with it that
way, because being that expert on that subject matter is the only way you're going to be able
to call it on its bullshit. And and chat GBT especially is super fucking confident about
the answers it gives that are wildly wrong. And that's where it's like, if you're a beginner
or novice, or you just don't know about that topic, you're like, man, this thing really sounds
like it knows what it's talking about. And here's all of these links. And then you find out all
those links like go to just answer or something like that. And, you know, you have to have that
like base knowledge in order to call it out on what it's feeding you. And so yeah, I agree,
if you're really dialing into something specific, there's been like a sprinkling of times where
it like it nailed it for me. But it was usually something that was out on the web that, you know,
it found and it just happened to be and I probably would have got there with a, you know,
a Google search of some sort or another. But yes, it's only trained. What we're trying to do within
our like just business is get it trained on our information having, you know, a contained unit
that is ours, it's not shared with anybody else, but it's trained on our database. So we can ask
questions of like, hey, can I do a used module on this 2020 Audi Q5? And then it uses the information
that we put in. So we know that, hey, this is legit. And then it's able to interact with us on
that. And that's been kind of like a helpful search engine for our own database. Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I started building the website for just for like, just tips and tricks that we
keep in our brain, right? And especially when you have employees, it's hard to like transfer
all of that knowledge. One of my guys, he just had a Lexus the other day with parking lights on
and on newer Lexus vehicles, even after you calibrate the parking sensors, you have to fold
the mirrors in and out for the parking light to go out. It's just like good luck finding that in
service information. Good luck. You know, unless you know, you don't know. So now it's on the website
and like a little tech tip, you know, you go in search Lexus parking sensors pops right off.
Yep. Yeah. The things that save you 10, 15 minutes at a time, you know, how many hours is
that by the end of the month? And if we can capture that information. So I keep telling my guys,
I'm like, I'm doing this to make your lives easier. Just do these entries. It's going to make your
lives easier. You won't have to spend 30 minutes dinking around with the stupid mirrors because
you didn't know you had to fold them in and out because we all run into that shit every day on
something that we didn't know about. If I knew that what I've gotten that job done faster. Yeah.
Okay, let's let's capture it. Document it. Just gave me a good idea. I think I'm going to start
developing one for use modules. I have I can show you what I have. I'm fucking tired of answering
questions. I'm just gonna be like here, man, go here and search. Give me the fuck along.
So on my website, then, you know, it's internal for the company, like you can go to GM and I'll
have a picture of a, I don't know, E39 module or something nice picture of it. So you can just
compare pictures. When you click on it, it'll have a picture of the pinout step by step of what
tool I use, what buttons to press. That way, you know, I don't even need to answer that question
anymore. It's just like, Hey, go clone this module and here's the tool to do it. Don't call me until
it's done. Leave me alone. That's, that's my, my saying to my employees all the time. Did you check
the drive? And they get annoyed with me saying that, but like, we've got several years of info
in there on programming and diagnostics and keys and ADOS. And there's a good chance there's something
in there. Just got to go look for it. It's, it's funny you say that because the day, well,
I'll say 48 hours after I launched my website, one of the small little dumb tech tips I put in
there was about Mercedes blind spot indicator lights on older Mercedes, the blind spot indicator
lights would stay on until you hit a certain mile per hour threshold. And it was a normal
condition for them. But the first time I seen it, I'm like, man, why are these lights staying on?
And then I'm spending tons of time doing research sitting in a parking lot, never driving the vehicle.
So I launched the website. I tell my employees like, Hey, look at these tech tips. And the next
day one of my guys had a Mercedes and he was spending a bunch of time wondering why these
indicator lights were on. And I'm like, you're gonna check the website. Yep. Yep. Yep. So you,
do you have that live for your employees can access it and everything now? Yeah, they can access it
now. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. And we can just dumb stuff like, you know, with the way my business
operates, we go through tape measures nonstop, non-stop down through tape measures. So like
no, they just like rust out of them. Yeah. So Amazon link, they could just go right on Amazon.
Here's the tape measures we buy. Here's the buck connectors, the heat shrink, you know,
just stuff like that, Amazon links, website links, because we'll, you know, we have a bunch of
websites that are hard to find unless you know, right? Like the Bosch ECU part number. Yeah,
exactly. They all know. Yep. You know, that's on the website. Just click on it.
Just stuff like that. Just, you know, super helpful stuff. And that's, that's where like,
I found stuff like, can I build a software? Can I build, you know, an integration here
to either do that repetitively for us? Like I was playing around with that Stellantis module
thing where I'm still, I still got to work on that. That's an example where like,
it doesn't always turn out the way you think it will. There's going to be obstacles that you
did not foresee. And it's not as good as you thought it was. But you can create stuff to help
with those repetitive things, especially if, yeah, you're explaining it to your employees.
Here's how you find, you know, the, the calibration for this Chrysler module. And then you have to
go in and explain it to them again and again. And like, yeah, I can make a video or make a tool
that just like kind of does it for them. They just punch it in and here you go. Here's the
what you're looking for. And then we did, so our drive, like I was saying, all that information,
I just had it in like Google Doc form. And it would just be me typing, like this is going back
to like 2019. I just make a doc and I type about something and I'd store it in the drive under
a folder. But you can have it go through and reformat that information into something that
actually like looks really professional and is organized really well. And like, once you figure
out, okay, here's how you, I want the format, then it just does it at 2am and goes through,
you know, an entire drive and formats all of it and all, you know, 2000 documents to be like
really clean. And I don't have to sit there and do that myself. I can just, okay, here,
go do this and takes care of it. Yeah. Tommy, man, it could do some good stuff. There are some
things I'm worried about. There are some things. It scares the shit out of me, but I guess it does
me too. So, so Sean, you showed me that video that there's a AI company in China. They made
like Tom Cruise fighting Brad Pitt or something. Brad Pitt. Yes. And it looks super realistic.
And the first thing that I thought of like, all right, so it's April 2026 right now. Facebook's
been out for 20 plus years. Yeah, I think it was like 2008 or so. I still have family members who
still share the like, Mark Zuckerberg is going to start charging $3,000 a year coffee and pasting
human. They're so gullible. And I just, I fear that what AI can do to persuade people and trick
people into doing things or just like think about the work like bad things like, well, I don't know
like how people would react if they thought a nuclear bomb was about to hit them. Yeah. Well,
just old people in general. And I mean, I don't mean to pick on old people, but that there's whole
swaths of people that target them specifically with scams. And now they have an AI bot that can
endlessly interact with someone and, you know, steal all their money, convince them of whatever.
Yeah, that stuff, that stuff is scary. In nowadays, I don't know if there's any correlation,
but I'm getting 10, 15 spam calls a day anymore. It doesn't stop.
Come and waste for me. I'll get a bunch for a while and then they'll,
they seem to stop for a while. I don't know what the deal is.
They all want to give me a lot of money.
Be a millionaire if they just like started giving it to me.
I might copy PJs and start making my own little database because I don't know, man,
the busy, the shop gets the less it seems that I feel like I, you know, what's funny is like,
I feel like we really fix what we focus on. And right now that I'm super focused on the
job, I feel like some things are kind of like escaping me, man. So maybe it wouldn't be a
bad idea after this, this training season. I start creating my own little database for,
at least for, for, for my stuff. But, um, and I wonder, I wonder if we're able,
ever going to be able to do like in terms of, you know, like in terms of, uh, uh, cloning,
right? Like, like I have this E90, uh, module, uh, a 2020 Silverado, not a lot of people can,
I don't think it can be cloned yet. I think you can unlock them. I don't know, right? Like,
I've been kind of people. I have unlocked one, but I have not cloned one.
Hey, so you guys, so you can unlock them, but you can't clone them, correct?
Yep. Yeah. All right. So
Is that what will be? That's not global. Yeah. Is it?
Nope. Nope. Oh, it's not. Oh, some are, some aren't. This one isn't.
Okay. And, um, so I'm looking, I'm like, bro, like,
we're not even, a lot of people aren't even progressing because of the, that's like,
according to my sources, the IO terminal guy already unlocked these modules,
but he just refuses to release it because of the piracy issues. So again, have you guys
noticed a decline in progression in the, in the cloning world? Like, like the tool and the tooling
is getting like, um, it kind of, it's kind of stagnant right now, in my opinion, right? Like,
there's not these, like global A came out and it got, it got, it got cracked.
Dude, global B's been out for six years now, six model years now, seven model technically and
nothing. So like where I'm going is that you think, you think chat GBT will be able to help us
in our personal stuff, try to develop programs or protocols to be able to read this stuff.
And if so, why the fuck aren't we doing that?
I think some people are, um, it will fight you on some stuff when it's like, oh,
this is proprietary, but that's where there's these local models that you can set up and they're,
those are still in their infancy, but they're only going to get better. And then there's no rules.
It'll do whatever you want it to do. And of iRobot, the three laws. Yeah.
Yeah. Uh-huh.
Starting with a module. Now it's stealing fucking nuclear codes.
My young employee, the young kid that works for me, he loves movies, absolutely loves movies.
He keeps a list on his phone of all the movies he's watching. There's thousands.
But there was a movie about AI with Johnny Depp that he had me watch that was pretty good.
Where Johnny Depp, he's like a, I don't know, computer software developer trying to create AI
and he, he's about to die. So they inject his like soul into the computer and he ends up taking over
most of the world and they need to stop it. Can't remember what the movie was called,
but it was a good movie. It was made in like 2012, 2013.
That's the thing is like, when does it get to that point? Are we going to be able to contain it,
you know, once it's better at all humans at everything? Transcendence.
And it's going to keep moving because it'll be national security or money is going to keep
it moving. Like nobody's going to stop that from happening. We have to because China is going to,
if we don't, and then they're saying the same thing. I'm telling you, man, look at,
look up the Kung Fu robots, dude. These guys are doing Tai Chi and all types of shit.
Look up the one that ran like a half marathon. It's ridiculous.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the robotics are like a whole, a whole nother thing. And yeah,
you stick an LLM in a optimist robot and talk about the job displacement at that point.
That you know, that's what you call a rightful of that motherfucker.
Right. Yeah. So the future is, it's not going to be boring. I can tell you that, but
it's going to be messy. Nothing like, like restoring humanity, but like a nice fight for survival.
We need something to bond together, guys. We're so divided. Oh, I don't know, man.
I think that's a fight we lose, dude. I really do. Bro, I can't even fight my way up the stairs
right now. I'm so out of shape. I'd be like, you know, just take me robot, put me out of my misery.
Just don't use me like the matrix and make me into a fucking human battery.
Actually, if you do do that, man, I want to be a millionaire, like that dude in the second part.
Yeah. I want to be somebody rich. I want to forget this and make me rich.
Oh shit, man. I don't know. I mean, like I said, we can be speculating. We can be talking all this
shit because we've been saying shit like this for years, man. We've been saying like, oh, this is
the next thing that's going to kill us. 5G was supposed to give us all fucking cancer. Like,
I don't know. It's always something, man. But AI is a unique one. Like,
now I know, Sean, you did a class on this. And when you did that class, that was the first I
heard of AI. That was probably three years ago now you did that class. Was that at Vision?
The Tech Talks. So the Tech Talks, Tech Talks you did at Vision was what, three years ago?
Yeah, 23. Yeah. Yeah. That was the first I heard about it. And now, like, I don't know. I'm not
somebody who should be building software and I'm doing it, you know. Right here, man. Like,
some of the stuff that I made, like, I should not be able to just make that.
Exactly. No way. And that's good and bad. Like you say, entrepreneurial opportunities,
things that people can accomplish they wouldn't be able to, but there's a good and a bad with it.
We just got to see where it's going. It's too early to tell. But I do, for sure,
know it's making us dumb. Yeah, it's a technological advancement. We get
dumber and lazy. Yes. And I think there's already studies where, like, the brain activity of people
who used it X amount of hours per day is, like, measurably different than someone who doesn't.
And so, yeah, you can use it as a crutch and just atrophy, all kinds of cognitive functions,
or you can use it to, like, learn stuff and improve yourself and take time away from tedious
tasks. So, like, you can guide it. But yeah, we are going to be relying on it a lot. Like,
if everything got shut off tomorrow, I'd be like, oh, shit, what do I do with all of this now?
And so, that's a scary piece of it, too. Like, how much...
Dependent. Yeah, yeah.
And to a point, I read something, this isn't too much to do with AI, but just generally speaking,
the way that this next generation of children's brain is being wired, just imagine this, right?
Kids. Oh my gosh, yeah.
You know, I've always had this kind of soft spot for the other generation.
Like, I don't know what the hell they call me. Some people say I'm a zenio, I'm an elder millennial,
or whatever, but I'm kind of like, I still remember the old school way of being caught up.
But one thing that resounded with me was a psychological study that somebody did.
Why we were so different. And it was not for nothing, man. Everything in our life
taught us lessons and taught us lessons now. Every choice we made had a consequence.
And just the way we were raised, dude, like, think about it.
I know you don't have kids, right, Sean? Do I remember it?
No, I don't.
All right, PJ, if you let your daughter take her bike to school.
Her bike?
Yeah, would you let her ride her bike to school?
Would I let her? No.
Okay. So, for example, let's just say you did, right? Let her ride her bike to school.
If she pops her bike chain, what would she do?
I already taught her how to fix that. We ride our bikes around the neighborhood.
Let's just say she didn't know how to do that. She'd probably call you.
Mom, come pick me up or something, right?
We were on our fucking own, man. We would be fucking miles away, dude.
And we had an issue of a flat or something. I didn't have any money.
Shit, I had to figure it the fuck out or I'm pushing that bitch home.
So we were taught to defend ourselves on our own.
And one thing too, just look at video games, man.
Like, you had three chances and that's it.
You had three chances and you either fucking starting again or you're going to go just do
something else because that was it. And now it's like you can save it.
And then there's this consistent gratification of an objective that's just bullshit, right?
Like you're playing Call of Duty, you can get rewards, you get skin.
So every time you pick up this damn thing, you're getting gratified by something.
You're accomplishing something, even though it's all bullshit.
You picked up Mario, you picked up GoldenEye, you got shot three times, dude.
You're fucked. That's it. You're starting, you're starting over again.
So you learn how to just deal with life, learn how to just like, hey, yeah, this sucks.
But, you know, either we try again or we move on.
Me, man, I remember anybody play Castlevania for NES.
That was one of my, that was one of the fucking hardest games I've ever played, dude.
And one day like I was on fire, dude, and I beat it.
Well, according to me, so you had a fight and you had to kill vampires through a castle and
shit, right? Like in like kind of like Mario Brothers, not kind of like, uh, what's the name
of that damn game? Uh, it was kind of the, it was, well, it was a 2D scroller, Donkey Kong.
Like you had to go at like, oh yeah, yeah.
Through levels and shit, right? Well, tell me what, like, that was half of the damn game.
The castle flipped over and you had to go back out the way you came in.
Dude, I was so mad, I chucked the controller at the TV, turned it off, I never turned it back on.
Like, like just because I knew I wasn't going to beat this shit. I was like, what the hell am I
going to do? That's it. It's done. So it's kind of like, you know, all these things are kind of
wiring us differently. And I'm just kind of, you know, I don't know which way that's going to go.
I did, I did hear about a recent study. Now I didn't read this study, but I heard about it.
So I could be misquoting this wrong. But ever since COVID, right around COVID, all,
all school kids, they got iPads and they started learning on iPads. And I heard that it's really
stunting their like economic or educational growth. They're struggling with reading more,
they're struggling with math and science more than we did, right? So throughout history,
each generation has gotten better educationally. But they're saying that, like, my daughter's
generation is struggling a little more in there saying it has to do with them learning on electronics,
right? You're so easily distracted all the time and you're not forced to focus.
Yeah, you're the only one here with kids, PJ. Like, what is your and your wife's policy as far as
like technology and kids as they're growing up? Like, I don't know how I would regulate that if I
had a young kid, just phones and tablets and screens and like, is that is it regulated? Like,
what are your thoughts on it? It really, like, like Marbury isn't, she isn't as regulated as much as
I would like, but it's almost impossible because she's 12 years old. She had all her friends have it.
She's also an only child, right? So that's how she keeps in contact with her friends.
Kids don't play outside anymore. So, so it's not like you could just be like, hey, go down the
street and play with your friends because the kids down the street, they're not outside, right?
They're on their computer, they're on their iPad. It's like this whole different world in like,
they communicate and they socialize through it, right? Like Aubrey plays with her friends while
playing Roblox or, you know, FaceTiming, but, you know, they don't ride around the neighborhood on
bikes anymore and it's, it's weird. Well, and so like, kid who is like five years old right now
and like all this AI stuff is coming out, like, could you imagine growing up with that? I mean,
it's crazy to think because if you're a lonely kid, like, you don't have any friends you're getting
picked on, you could talk to this thing and you could be your best friend and you wouldn't know
any different because you're a kid and it's the nicest thing that's ever been nice to you. And like,
I don't know what, like, what that's going to do to people, you know, in 20 years or so. It's
going to be, we're going to be like a different species, I think, like our age once we're, once
we're 30 years old, we're going to be something completely unheard of. But, you know, I'm sure
our grandparents got the same thing about us, you know? Yeah. So oh yeah, man. I guess that I was
a lazy asshole. I'm just like, yeah, you're not wrong. I mean, especially since I don't do a lot
of shit around the house, but I just, it has nothing to do with laziness. It's just what I value. I
value my time more. My parents' generation is very valued money more. This other generation
values, I can't explain it, but what I've noticed that is they want to, they've, this generation
that came after us realized that it's all bullshit, right? This generation after us, not PJ's kid,
but like the generation after us, they realized that this is all just a fucking sham, right? And
they just kind of refuse to go with it. So they rather fucking be homeless. They rather just not
do anything because at the end of the day, they're not going to get anywhere. I don't necessarily
agree with it, but I don't blame them. I also have never been one to punish or talk shit about a
generation that it's, you get to call it softer, not softer because, you know, the same could be
said about us. Like, yeah, we did a bunch of dumb shit as children, but it doesn't mean it was, it
was good, right? For fuck's sake, man, I was changing tires on a major fucking, on a four-lane
fucking street in Chicago at seven years old, right? It's fucking unheard of now. So was it good?
I don't know, right? That's, that's, that's, that's the problem, right? It's, it's perspective. And
that's my problem with ChadGBT. Like we all have different perspectives. Yeah, it can be, it can
be great. It can be helpful. It's just to be, it's to be seen. But yeah, you know, it worries me
about the, what's, what's, what's stopping an AI chat bot just giving your kids homework and then
helping them with it? Like, like the way that the education system is set up right now, what's the
difference? A much, honestly, that's basically what was going on during COVID. I like these kids
were just sitting in front of an iPad. They were just learning from pre-built curriculums, being
graded from it. Yep. But you know, teachers are using this just as much as students probably are
too. I can guarantee you. Can you imagine we're gonna, we're gonna have the doctors who use ChadGBT
to graduate college? That's kind of fucked up. Yep. Yeah, but it's the truth. It's true. No,
it's just, it's where, it's where, it's where we had, where we're headed. And now look at,
we haven't even talked about automotive engineering, right? Like, there seems to be a,
I follow this dude and I don't really like following social media. Jackass is too much.
But this guy strikes me interesting. He is, according to him, he's an engineer or as a former
automotive engineer. And he basically said that the biggest problem with automotive engineering
right now is that they're too software driven, they're too data analysis driven. A majority of
engineers like they don't have any practicality anymore. Like none of them worked on a car like
we did. Like I, I worked on cars. I wasn't a mechanic. Like you guys know, my dad didn't,
my dad sold tires. Like he didn't work on cars. My dad never really worked on cars.
But I worked, I started learning at the shop and then I worked on my car because I was poor,
dude. Like I wasn't paying anybody to work on my car. I did it myself and I wanted to drive.
Right. So that's, that's kind of like a driving force until like having mechanical aptitude,
the bike situation. But imagine a bunch of engineers who've never worked on anything.
Right. And so now we're dealing with those consequences and you can see it in, in, in our,
in our vehicles, man. Like what happened to like these, these durability tests, these reliability
tests, they're just mathematical calculations now. And they're, and they're on the backs of us
because who fixes their mess? Technicians, Honda, Toyota. I don't give a fuck what it is. It's all,
it's all just, they all have issues right now. Every single manufacturer has millions of cars
being recalled. I walked into my old Toyota dealership to program a Nissan transmission that
the used car department installed. And there were more engines and transmissions pulled out
in that shop than I had done my entire career. 18 years with Toyota, you know,
and I seen more transmissions pulled out when I walked in that door in one day. It was crazy.
It is crazy. Like the 2016 to 24 Highlanders, they say that the transmissions are dropping
worse than six L 80s. It's just crazy. Here's the most recalled car brands of 2026 per the
National Highway Transportation Safety Authority. Number one, shocker Ford. Number two, Toyota.
Number three, Hyundai. Number four, Nissan. And number five is a tie between Subaru, Honda,
and fucking GM. I don't know if that's good or bad. I really don't know if that's a good
or bad thing for GM. GM just learned how to hide all their flaws from National Highway Traffic
and Safety. What's all that mean? Here's the failure. They've gone good at hiding it.
Jesus Christ. And it's just and it's and I really think so. Like, I mean, I'm not an engineer,
man. And I've never been one of these like technicians that be like, oh, yeah, no,
our jobs are harder than this and like, I've always hated that rhetoric. But like a rubber
belt in an oil pump when a balance chef that's being consistently wet. Yeah, like why? So it's
either it's either these engineers are just they think they're smarter than than what practicality
would actually be. Or it's plan obsolescence. That's something that I think there's a little bit of
that and this industry more than Chad GPT or anything else. That's really what concerns me,
man. Like I get one of my most requested modules is a ABS modules for 2017 Rams Wranglers. They're
not they're just they're not being made. Yeah, but just think about just think about how many
people had to check off on your example of rubber belt driven oil pumps, right? It's not just a
singular person making that decision. No, of course not. There's an entire team of people who are
like, yes, that's brilliant. Yeah, it's like it's lightweight and blah, blah, blah. And it's just
like, well, then look at look at GM what I think is GM's three liter, the Duramax that's in the
back, you have to pull the trans to replace that as a service item. I'm like, and then the worst part
is, these people are buying these turd wagons. And then it's our problem now. Yeah, I had an IRA
customer this year this week. And you know, we did some stuff wrong. I'll admit it. We had some
communication concerns with the customer. I but the customer also told my my service writer that
he was sent by a shop and he told them in a way that made it appear that, you know, it was a shop
vehicle and all my shops know that I'm there. They're like on my on my actually, I'm only
still doing shop dikes to train my technician. So we had some miscommunications. He was upset.
But I in my eyes, I fixed it and I made it right. Well, a shop had installed a 2017 Q7.
A shop had installed a shitty high pressure sensor. And certain was no AC. So I don't I just,
I don't know why but I had two codes. I had one for the compressor clutch and I had one for that
sensor. I'm like, well, let me fix the sensor issue first because truth be told, I'm not super
familiar with the system and service information wasn't helping me. And I didn't feel like buying
a day of of Erwin got being cheap. All right, let me put the sensor in this 40 bucks from from
from Volkswagen slapped it in cold went away, the compressor clutch coil. I called a couple guys
called Martino. He walked me through some stuff. He's like, dude, this thing needs a compressor.
Well, we were testing we noticed that the the the pigtail was cut already and they taped it.
They wrapped it around the wires around each other and then they taped it up like a true hack.
So we fixed the wiring, did some retesting and yeah, the coils, the coils junk. So I called
the owner and hey, I mean, your ticket's like $3,200 with Diag and everything. And he flips a
gasket. He's like, that's just a ripoff. That's so much money. And I'm like, okay, I mean,
just keep in mind, this is a dealer compressor and it's $2,400 list with tax. Like, I mean,
what do you want me to do, man? It's a it's a fucking $85,000 car. And I didn't say that part,
but I'm just like, yeah, I mean, I understand we can try to find something cheaper, maybe,
but dude, I give a two year warranty and everything, man. And to do that, I have to buy the best parts
that I can and it's going to be a dealer unit. He's like, I don't even think that's a problem
because the shop powered that compressor and he said it was turning on. I'm like, oh, so you just
you guys just ram 12 volts into a post with modulated compressor. So now I told him like,
so now I have to fix this compressor and then figure out why your AC wasn't turning on to begin
with. And that that's that I'm off. I'm gonna talk to my wife and I'll call you back and he showed
up. He showed up so angry that he didn't even want to receive. He just paid us what he owed us
and took the car. I'm just like, like, what the, so yeah, so like, so it's my fault you bought a
$85,000 vehicle that's only worth 20 grand, but still has $85,000 worth of parts in it.
As a situation, a lot of people in is the exact numbers that you said.
Yeah.
No matter if it's if it's a year old or 20 years old, it's still at one point cost $5,000.
Yep. I don't care. Then I install the cheap auto zone remand compressor and then it conks out
two weeks later, takes out your entire AC system on a Q7. Yeah, no, thank you. But chat GBT will
tell you that a compressor is only $400. Search and rock auto.
That's that's going to be for me. The most interesting part is like, is chat GBT going to
help us? Like, there's like Google, Google does like, if you ask Google to call a shop,
they'll call you. They'll call and they'll ask you for a quote. So there's, there's,
there's been a lot of talk in our, in our industry about stuff like that or that,
that Google's going to probably start doing like, oh, like bidding on jobs. Like, Hey,
Google, I want to, I want to pay $1,500 for this repair. Who's going to do it?
Yep. I didn't even think about it. Yeah, man. I mean, yeah, that's the job for an agent. You
set that up, say, here's the goal, you're going to reach out to X amount of people,
you're going to find it for this job and set it up through email. You can just let it run.
Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? But imagine, you know, getting a request for Diag, right?
How? Like, how are you actually like, like, we have a certain way of doing stuff. It's just
that we get you in the door, we look at it for 15 minutes and we find something great. If not,
then it's, it's, we need this much time depending on what we see with your vehicle. But like,
I, if I don't see your car, I can't, I can't, I can't help you. So is somebody going to do it?
You know, like some shop, those, those are the interesting parts that I, I see that are going
to be coming to the near future. Cause it's not, it's not like buying a refrigerator, man.
Really isn't. There's so many variables with auto, man. And then there's the
up north, we have to deal with Russ too. I'm really going to quote, you know, somebody on a
on a Hyundai Sonata, where you have to remove the rear control arm, the trailing arm to get to
the bracket bolt. I gotta look at it, man. If it's rusty, then nothing has to be torched out.
And then we got to replace it and we probably got to replace the control arm just to do your
calibers, your, your, your rotors. So that's, that's the part I'm not looking forward to as a
business owner. Yeah.
All right. Well, we didn't solve any problems.
What? Oh, did we create any? Maybe. Honestly, though, it's like,
if you're not at least aware of this stuff and what's going on, I guess as a listener of the
show, like take some time, see like what the current landscape is and where things are headed
and how quickly it's moving. And at the very least, be aware of it and how it may affect you
in your day to day, positively or negatively because head under a rock is going to be the
worst situation for a lot of people because they'll have no idea and this is going to hit them
like a tsunami freight train. Yeah. And at the very least, like, hey, I can't stop it,
but I can learn as much as I can and try to adapt as, as things change. And that's,
that's where I'm going with it. Yeah, I agree. No stopping it now. Zero chance.
No, it didn't happen. Once we get accustomed to something, that's it. That's all she wrote.
It's not even the custom, right? They, they've imagined how profitable it is.
Yeah. You know, they're probably, I don't even want to know what they're making,
but I'm paying 200 bucks a month for it. So I'll apply that a couple, a couple hundred million
times. Yeah, there's stats for like NVIDIA and stuff is like the most. Yeah, but no,
no, no hard drive prices are through the roof. Man, I can't even buy a hard drive for my computer
no more. Yeah. I just, I just bought a Mac to run the local model on and the prices are ridiculous.
All right. It's 10 o'clock. I'm old and I need to get my sleep. So it's great talking to you guys.
I do appreciate you coming on the show. I haven't been doing many interviews lately,
but it's always good to see you guys. Indeed, sir. Yeah. I'm going to see you here shortly,
Sean, right? A couple of weeks. Arizona. Yeah. Yeah. It's coming up. I am excited.
She got a great time there. I'm going to be a, I'm going to be a last minute one,
just do the shop. The shop just doesn't want to let me go right now. Yeah. I'm strong. I'm in,
I'm in the works to try to negotiate some parking, man. So hopefully, but like I said,
I got everything booked. It's just hopefully I get, I get to go out there and shortly after Arizona,
I'm going to the Caribbean. I'm going to come back a lobster.
There you get prepped in Arizona. Exactly. All right. I'm going to
About this episode
The guys dive into how AI “agent” tools are starting to reshape automotive diagnostics and shop operations. Keith Perkins plugs L1training.com for module programming, J2534, EEPROM work, keys/immobilizers, and electrical/drivability diagnostics. PJ and Tommy debate AI’s promise versus risks, then Sean explains Open Claw—an agent harness that can schedule tasks, use tools, and even automate shop workflows like daily job emails and voice-to-knowledge-base drive entries. They also discuss AI’s limits for highly specific repair tasks, growing cybersecurity/scam concerns, and how tech may change education, employment, and even vehicle reliability.
PJ Walter and Tomi Oliva join me on the show today to discuss how advancements in AI & Agent technology are changing the world as we know it. Are you ready for what's coming?
