Everyday Driver Car Debate Apr 1, 2025

984: Do Limited Edition Cars Matter, The Ultimate GT Canyon Carver, Cars To Avoid

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Car

Volvo C40

The Volvo C40 Recharge is an electric SUV from Volvo. It has a stylish look and is designed to be environmentally friendly, using electricity instead of gasoline.

Concept

platform sharing

Platform sharing is when different car models use the same basic structure. This helps car companies save money and make different cars more easily.

Car

Genesis G70

The Genesis G70 is a luxury car that is compact and stylish. It has a nice interior and comes with different engine options, including a V6, which makes it powerful and enjoyable to drive.

Term

all-wheel drive

All-wheel drive means that the car can send power to all four wheels at the same time. This helps the car grip the road better, especially when it's slippery or rough.

Car

Kia Stinger

The Kia Stinger is a car that looks sporty and is fun to drive. It comes with different engine choices, including a powerful V6, making it a good option for those who like performance.

Car

Porsche 981 Boxster

The Porsche 981 Boxster is a type of sports car that is known for being fun to drive and having a great design. It's part of a series of cars made by Porsche.

Car

Chevrolet Camaro

The Camaro 2.0 is a version of the Chevrolet Camaro that has a smaller, turbocharged engine, making it more fuel-efficient while still being sporty.

Car

Ford Mustang

The Mustang is a famous car made by Ford that is known for being fast and stylish, often seen as a classic American sports car.

Car

GR86

The GR86 is a sporty car made by Toyota that is fun to drive and has a design focused on performance and handling.

Term

EcoBoost

EcoBoost is a type of engine made by Ford that uses turbocharging to give more power while using less fuel.

Car

Toyota GT86

The Toyota GT86 is a small sports car that is fun to drive. It's designed for people who enjoy a sporty experience on the road.

Car

Scion Frs

Part

Castrol SRF brake fluid

Castrol SRF brake fluid is a special type of fluid that helps brakes work better, especially when they get really hot during racing.

Company

Power Stop

Power Stop makes parts for car brakes that help them work better and last longer, especially for people who drive fast or on tracks.

Part

race pads

Race pads are special brake pads used in racing that help cars stop more effectively and handle high temperatures better than regular brake pads.

Part

z36 rotors

Z36 rotors are special brake discs that help cars stop better, especially during fast driving or racing. They handle heat well and improve braking performance.

Part

Castrol SRF fluid

Castrol SRF fluid is a special type of brake fluid used in racing cars. It helps the brakes work better under high temperatures so they don't fail when driving fast.

Car

Porsche Cayman

The Cayman S is a sporty car made by Porsche. It's designed to handle well and is fun to drive, making it popular among car enthusiasts.

Car

Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro

The Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro is a special version of the Tacoma truck designed for off-road driving. It has features that help it handle rough terrain better than regular trucks.

Car

Honda Civic

Car

Honda Civic Type-R

The Civic Type R is a special version of the Honda Civic that is designed for performance. The latest version, the 11th generation, has better handling and more power than previous models.

Term

dealer markup

Dealer markup is when a car dealership charges more than the price suggested by the manufacturer. This can happen if a car is very popular and hard to find.

Term

cheater tires

Cheater tires are specially designed tires that are wider than normal. This helps cars grip the road better, making them faster and more stable, especially during turns.

Term

all-weather tire

All-weather tires can be used in different weather situations, making them a good choice for drivers who want versatility without switching tires seasonally.

Car

Ford Edge

Car

Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS

Car

Porsche 718 Spyder

The Porsche 718 Spyder is a convertible version of the 718 sports car, which means you can drive it with the top down. It's designed for people who enjoy the feeling of the wind while driving.

Concept

Nürburgring

The Nürburgring is a well-known race track in Germany that many car companies use to test their cars because it's very challenging and has lots of turns.

Car

Mazda Miata

Term

Porsche chalk

Porsche chalk is a light gray color that some Porsche cars come in. It's a popular choice because it looks different and stylish.

Term

ZF 8-speed automatic transmission

The ZF 8-speed automatic transmission is a type of gearbox that helps cars change gears smoothly. It's popular in many high-end cars because it offers a good mix of speed and comfort.

Brand

Audi

Audi is a car brand from Germany that makes high-end cars with lots of features and technology.

Car

Chrysler Challenger

The Chrysler Challenger is a sporty car that looks like classic muscle cars and is built for speed and power.

Car

Chrysler Charger

The Chrysler Charger is a big car that looks sporty and is known for being fast and powerful.

Company

podcast we do a live we're back allar

questions live podcast thank you for

joining us yeah we really appreciate it

we've got lots to cover bring all your

car questions but we should start with

all of our adventures if you go to

Everyday driver.com the adventures tab

is full of information all very exciting

yes very much so pilgrimage is happening

yep we've got signups already yes well

because here's the thing you have to

know about all our adventures we want

any of you that would like to come to

come it's great we're doing the Europe

one we're doing Utah we're doing Rocky

Mountain one they're going to be very

cool but we do make those available to

patrons first anybody can go but it's

available to patrons first it went live

to patrons over the weekend we have five

signups for pilgrimage already thank you

guys we are taking 10 people total if

you're good at math and I am not that

means it's half full half full right now

yes but we've got five spots left that

is early June if you go to our

adventures tab on everyday driver.com

you can follow along right there you can

get into all the information for

pilgrimage again as always it's arrive

in Frankfurt we take you to Spa you get

a day on Spa you get a road tour day you

get a day on the ring awes and then we

take you back to Frankfurt so you just

have to get to Frankfurt at either end

otherwise it's all inclusive in the

middle and I should say one other thing

that actually came up this weekend with

a with a signup this is a driving trip

this is don't don't bring your spouse

they're ready to sit right SE and just

be there while you drive unless they

want to drive as well which is cool the

other thing is this is not an exotic car

experience trip that's true the cars

that come you can upgrade to craziness

this a riding lawnmower trip you ride a

skateboard and you move up to the

lawnmower then you might get I mean you

can can pay extra money above the base

price to get into crazy things but most

people that do the base cars find

themselves exhausted and challenged yeah

but luckily on road tour day we bring a

lot of crazy stuff so you'll get some

crazy time and some some stuff but you

just want to go on whatever you can it's

the ring I mean you're right riding

lawnmower does work we start with

skateboards guys come on the pilgrimage

with us and then those other two US

Adventures are on there and then in what

a week the Utah Adventure signups will

open Utah Adventures about to open up

there we've got 20 spots available for

Utah and then we'll have 20 available

for Rocky Mountain which is opening in a

few weeks but again Utah is coming up

soon so we would love to have you guys

with us if you're considering it all you

can go now which is really cool I'm

gonna start with Jordan's question

because I've been thinking about this

did we catch Super Bowl commercials did

you catch any Super Bowl commercials I

didn't see the whole thing I saw the

last quarter I'm well but I'm also the

guy that goes the after and watches all

the Super Bowl commercial the people

post the compilations I liked the movie

ones that's how geeky I was of course I

think the um the the

GM uh will frell EV commercial was funny

I saw one of the first on I just don't

know why that needs to be a thing where

GM needs to partner with Netflix to make

sure that GM EV products are in the I I

know it's the new world all the brands

need to syn up so yeah so that's

happened so there was that but I just I

loved all the movie ads and the movie

ads were interesting this year sorry

movie geek because they were 30 second

cutdowns teasing you a little bit to

tell you to go watch the full trailer

online which of course is exactly what I

did and it was much better that way of

course you did have you noticed the Ram

1500 re electric truck I just want you

to observe the photos of where it's at

for all the the press release photos

it's sparkling clean in the driveway of

a very contemporary very modern home yes

yes whoever owns the home probably

wouldn't ever need a pickup truck

because maybe not you get things dirty

unless you just like pickup trucks but

otherwise if you have a truck it's still

a truck EV or not it's still a pickup

truck now that may be the best car

commercial of the Super Bowl did you see

this it's premature electrification yeah

which was hysterical and I have to

actually give a shout out to all of the

actors in that commercial who sold it so

subtly and so well the gag keeps playing

because the it masterfully however I do

think there's some fny irony in that

commercial okay right because DOD is

saying don't go electric before all of

the stuff to make electric Works exists

I get that I actually agree with that

but in the voiceover they actually say

essentially that the stuff you need

isn't here yet but we're working on it

they don't say it like that but that's

what they say that was the implication

and I was like but okay funny commercial

but it' be funnier if this isn't coming

out for another year yeah it be funnier

if you actually had the problem solved

and then did this commercial but anyway

these are the problems yeah guys thank

you for writing your location it's fun

to see where everybody is located seeing

Andre and Westlake Village California I

used to work out that way in uh Westlake

Village uh when I was doing uh design

work so pretty cool let's see what do we

got driving psyche says why is there a

Volvo C40 recharge when there's a pole

star to from the same parent company

with better specs for less money because

we have to milk all the flavors out of

that chassis yep that's also the uh

Lincoln Co variants of the same I mean

it's gie is the platform really so we've

got to make polstar and Volvo and

Lincoln Co variants and we've got to

milk all the things because most buyers

don't really know they just think it's a

model from their favorite brand and yeah

they don't leave money on the table that

way yeah most people have no idea that

they're they're other places which is

interesting uh John is asking about

stinger or g70 all-wheel drive which

would we choose and why V6 it really

comes down to how much space you need

because if you actually need usable back

seat space Stinger yeah good backseat

good hatch if back seat space is like a

ah little kids are you know not really

all that important or don't use it that

much the Genesis is better to drive

because it's smaller with a smaller

wheelbase agreed I absolutely let's see

Steve m is seeing 981 boxers and a Cay

or two showing up now for25 to $30,000

are these now the go-to number one fun

car to buy for under

30k well they always have been yes is

the answer I if you have interest and

you haven't driven one yet I highly

recommend but yeah I I like that the

prices are coming down across the board

we're starting to see that not in every

case not every car but generally

speaking we've gotten as I've said

before the guys your videos don't match

the market anymore well that was the co

surge for a while now we're seeing

things come back down boxers and Cay

included so that is news and yeah I I

really highly recommend them they're

defitely go to it does feel like the

worst is behind us and I really hope

that is the case it would be really nice

if that is there's been a couple fast X

questions I saw the trailer I watched

the trailer have you seen the whole

trailer not just the Super Bowl thing

you seen like the big no I guess I

haven't random side note that I don't

know why this is still a thing but when

I used to work in the film industry the

limit for a trailer was two and a half

minutes okay but then every Studio got

one exemption a year where they could

make it of three and a half or four now

I don't know why they're stilling to

this but in general they are but what

was interesting is I'm watching the fast

X trailer and I'm going this is an

enormous it's it's almost four minutes

long and and and I'm watching I guess

I've just seen the short one I'm

watching it going I feel like every one

of the major oh my gosh I can't believe

that stunt shots is in the

trailer doesn't that just kind of give

the whole there's there's two sides of

the equation the the Storyteller in me

says save that stuff the marketing

person says we have to tell them exactly

what they're getting they just need to

see this again on a bigger screen with

more sound right so I I cannot believe

it exists I think it is space f wasn't

in the last one then I mean they alluded

to it but you didn't see it like float

through the frame I agree with you and

I'm sorry that space if was back it

should have been in the trailer but

Jason Moma you know what Jason Moma is

he's the other Vin Diesel sized guy in

Hollywood that's true we already used up

The Rock The Rock has come and gone in

the series we have to get and then so

what did we used last time John Cena

that's true so now we're somebody yes

and now he's in this one because now

he's part of the family Aquaman fights

the family aqu drives who else is

roughly these guys size well Jason Moma

of course of course yeah so that's he's

the angry villain let's see vehicle

Nanny says what is the best new cheap

sports car GT6 versus Camaro 2.0 versus

Mustang eobo it sounds like you want us

to do film on that but you know it comes

down to taste at that point and we have

lived one year with our

gr86 and the wrap-up video is coming out

this week as a matter of fact on

Thursday we're planning to kind of do

the best and worst it's during the

winter driving because it's still winter

here in Park City Utah yeah time but

we're we're looking at that as wow you

know we've had it a full year we've done

all these things with it but I feel

like I guess I'm I'm in this category

I'm leaning Mustang just because I

prefer the the EcoBoost over the GT86

because of the power this is GT86 not

gr86 if that were G gr86 I would have

switch Swit I see what you're doing

you're right I didn't read it that

clearly you're right okay with that yeah

I see the power being a thing it

honestly vehicle Nanny comes down to

what are the things that connect with

you as a driver for sure because again I

had a first gen I had an F FRS and yes

it was underpowered there's no question

compared to those two turbos definitely

underpowered at every every turn however

at every turn the r s is lighter feeling

and I like light cars I'm not as worried

about power as I am about how it feels

behind the wheel and I really love that

first gen so I would pick that but I

think the average person especially if

you're not driving back roads very much

you're right you would feel disappointed

by that power much more regularly and so

the Camaro the Mustang start to rise

which is interesting Andrew P asks us to

go over the gr86 break upgrade in brief

looking to do a similar upgrade on the

86 and yeah thank you for supporting the

show we did the cast castol srf brake

fluid uh that was in lines for our track

use but Power stop sent us the z36 kit

and then after they after we had that

installed we took those pads out we we

didn't drive them very long so the

rotors were still brand new they sent us

their brand new race pads that had just

been made available so we combined the

race pads with the z36 rotors and the

Castrol Sr srf fluid for our track time

that was against the Cayman S video that

we did and so that transformed the car

but honestly I I will tell you this

Andrew just doing the break upgrade

transformed the field of the pedal and

the confidence I before we even went to

track pads it was really nice yep uh you

see Jonathan is kind of calling me out

here his girlfriend would like me to

explain dripping with sarcasm would like

me to explain why a plain silver sedan

is the best car whereas he does prefer

bright cars

see sit at a stoplight I'm I'm gonna try

to be calm explain sit at a sit at a

stoplight like pick a stoplight any city

in America sit at a stoplight and take a

minute and count how many cars are

monochromatic white silver gray black

because if you're sitting in a car of

color you may be the only one at the

stoplight and and here's the other thing

about it the other thing that might

actually be a color is probably

somebody's big

pickup like I bought the TRD Pro in

orange the orange one right that's

that's the thing that's the color so

rarely are cars made in colors and I

feel like they are almost always better

looking in colors I realize it's my

personal preference but let me put it

this way when a car is unpainted what

color is

it silver or gray this shows a complete

utter lack of imagination put a color on

and you can't do white because white is

to your point body on white it's body on

white it's when you buy a blank canvas

at the store you start to paint or you

gesso your own canvas guess what you

start with when you start with no words

and you're a screenwriter yes and you

have a blink blink blink blank sheet of

digital paper print that book out white

guess what white

silver I will go with there's some

lovely shades of silver that I do like

all Silvers am but I am full agreement

no white some Silvers and the rest all

colors yes Apollo Andrade is asking if

the fl5 type R is worth price premium

over the fk8 so essentially you're

asking is the 11th generation better

than the 10th Generation the brand new

one that price premium besides the

softer styling is it that much better we

do like the space just the Civic the car

alone seat space is very impressive and

you would think that every iteration car

manufacturers try to tighten things up

or address things that were good but

could be better and you know they could

be better we noticed that's what

happened with the 11th gen Civic Type R

everything that we liked about it seemed

to be magnified slightly but it was

still noticeable enough for us to like

it better and we have praised the 10th

Generation Civic Type R it's an

excellent car but of course

can you get one the price premium will

vary because of dealer markup we still

can't control that it's a problem but

yes is the answer but it depends on what

price premium you're you're able to get

and the tires on the new one are an inch

wider they're cheater tires they're an

inch wider the car is wider with a with

a bigger stance which changes things a

little bit but I would also say this

it's one of those things like when we

drove generations with Cayman back

toback your shirt reminded me and that

is if you didn't have them back to back

would you notice probably not you'd

probably have an amazing time either way

though I do suspect back to back that

the new one we would like a little bit

better but you I mean cheater tires for

one thing but anyway see trog crogar if

you have tools for the job Appliance TV

what should you look for in a tire no

snow in

California well you have to weigh your

activities because there is a lot of

good skiing in California are you going

to be doing more of the hiking off-road

summer activities are you going to be

going up to the sier nada is because

there's a lot of snow matter of fact

sometimes they ask you to chain up even

if you've got winter tires so you do

have to weigh that against your all year

round activities but generally speaking

an all- weather Tire will do just fine

all seasons are what most people drive

on and they're fine with it especially

in California but but if you want to you

can go for a little bit of a Performance

Edge just kind of depends I mean we've

got a friend locally his minivan M the

old minivan he put p fours on

it and really nice coilovers everyone he

has a good day for sure uh Apollo's back

saying I think it's probably for you

Paul Porsche budget up to $90,000 to be

used as a second car no back seats

needed which Porsche would you buy who

can you talk to to get yourself a GT4 RS

for 90 grand that's the actual answer I

think beyond that it's probably just

need GT4 or spider in yeah and I'm not a

convertible guy I mean it fries the top

my head I have the top up anyway so I I

like cayman's I like the style I like

that hard line over the roof line so I

would probably choose Cayman but the GT4

RS you know as a matter of fact I was

having a conversation with our friend

Ted who comes with us on the pilgrimage

every year and Ted is you know proam at

this point he's he's edging more towards

Pro in his driving skill he's driven a

couple times he been around the ring at

least once yeah we had this discussion

about GT4 because he owns one 981 GT4

and then we all drove the GT for RS and

he loved the GT4 for its comparison to a

Miata he can extract 100% out of his car

and know exactly where those lines are

the GT4 RS the limits are that much

higher and it's okay I need to suck it

up now I need to learn more do better go

faster you know I still really want one

I must have one but to each their own

right uh I'm going to come back to

Oliver's good question about automatics

but I have to acknowledge real quick

just a little window into my private

life my wife surfaced when I talked

about no monochromatic cars with Porsche

chalk with exclamation points because

she was in love with Porsche chalk and I

do not get it but I mean honestly she I

think she get I think she would paint

any car Porsche chalk so I love you babe

but yeah we're still I'm still not

getting that anyway I'm going to come

back to Oliver who has said he hasn't

driven very many good automatics what

are some good automatic vehic at 25 to

30k that give manuals a good run for

their money two things happening here

first off Oliver if you like the

engagement of a manual there are no

automatics that compete full stop if you

just like to have that foot busy to have

the hand doing stuff if that's what you

like there is no automatic where you're

like well I don't even miss because

those two limbs aren't doing anything

anymore so if you want that there is no

automatic that takes that place having

said that find something with a zf8

speed which is a lot of things Audi's

done great ones uh Chrysler's done great

stuff they're they're charger and

Challenger do the ZF the Alpha Romeo

Julia is the eight-speed uh ZF and it's

one of the best ones out there so find

somebody that has taken the 8-speed ZF

automatic and made that the transmission

because those are great I'm getting

called out from Mr kid 37 because one of

the last questions only podcasts he

asked if the increased with the

increased popularity of F1 in the US if

one of the us oems would get involved

would it increase in popularity I said

no apparently so he's calling me out I'm

glad to be WR we always like when we're

wrong I mean here's Cadillac part

partnering up with andred and hopefully

entering I I would love to see that it's

my understanding that Alpha is getting

out after this season I think they're

all done as far as the brand of course

Ferrari powered but still Alpha's

getting out and then yeah let's see if

we can get andred and GM in there and I

think that Ford saw that news

announcement and kind of went huh do we

have a pile of cash somewhere where we

where can we bird cash what are they

doing again we should get our name back

in there you know who do we know anybody

have the phone number for Pick A

Team Andrew Lous says what do you

consider heavy for a sports car uh this

is a fighting words thing because what's

happening is all cars are getting

heavier and there's plenty of stuff that

drives really really well that is going

to break what I'm about to say okay so

it's not that it can't be fun but I'm a

guy that likes my Lotus Elise which

weighs 2,000 lb just under technically

without a driver the Miata weighs 2400

the GR8 6 ways 2700 I typically like

cars under 3,000 okay I think above

3,300 maybe

3,400 why is this sports car this heavy

I mean we're talking new tech that goes

in people want their Tech and safety

regulations and manufacturers have to

respond to that by adding Tech hopefully

it's lighter weight but some of the

emerging Technologies come with bundles

of wiring they add to the wiring harness

batteries their craziness all the stuff

in the car

for I see why it happens' seen it Dawson

J is saying hello from Buffalo New York

Dawson appreciate you jumping on really

appreciate it thank you let's see Jordan

uh said he broke down in Boulder while

driving Brian's questionable decisions

Ferrari do we have any embarrassing

breakdown stories I want to drive

Brian's Ferrari by the way I want to

drive that car gotta get a hold of him

well we kind of expected them on our

cars of the P series I mean in a small

way we didn't want them to be

catastrophic but just enough for

drama you had a little bit of drama on

the third video the north trip was drama

for sure and and and here's the thing

about it it's actually it's it's not

played up now it's because it has a

sense of unknown there's I go around

with a big question mark over my head

for about 15 minutes in the piece

because it could go really wrong yeah

but at the same time it it was just this

total curveball that we actually solve

in the in the South when we actually

tell you what's going on there which is

helpful but I got the 98 out this

weekend good she fired right up I love

that it was great the still has the

transmission issues but you know I was

hoping they just magically disappeared

but still that didn't happen still yeah

that happens I mean we we didn't have

any of those big breakdowns thank God

but you know there was a really funny

comment this weekend on I think it was

the north trip that I just laughed about

and that was some guy was saying well of

course these guys could took this trip

because look they've got a helicopter

and a huge support crew so they got

nothing to worry about I was like what a

helicopter we have a drone in three of

us I don't know what you I mean thank

you and by helicopter yes you can drone

yeah yeah I'm glad you think that that's

what's going on but I'll tell you buddy

it was yeah none of us but anyway there

was uh there was some puckering going on

for sure in some

places yeah uh seal forever can you talk

about the importance of tires how long

do you have I mean I've bored people

plenty on tires the reality is this that

we typically and I have been here I was

this person okay when I was like rolling

quarters for gas I was definitely this

person you go into the tire shop and you

just say what's on the car now what's

kind of like what's on the car now with

the longest possible warranty that I can

maybe afford what's the cheapest version

of what I currently have that's the way

many of us buy tires and I have been

there the problem is you end up buying

the one-size fits-all

shirt technically you're covered doesn't

really work well doesn't look good

doesn't work well couldn't be what it

should be um the thing is there are so

many tires options out there you have to

figure out what you're using tires for

we already answered one about CUV tires

but um if you are person that drives in

snow you need winter tires or all

weathers full stop it has to have the

Triple Peak snow rating to drive in snow

don't kid yourself the all seasons will

not work your all-wheel drive will not

save you if you're a person that wants

to drive hard on track or on a on a

canyon you can drive that on any tires

for sure yeah your level of enjoyment

and your level of feeling like you're

murdering the tires goes up as you spend

more money the level of your tires

enjoyment goes down you're on the wrong

tire for sure and you know we just did

that Cayman um 86 piece on the track

here with the super sticky Bridgestone

track tires and they were brilliant but

I know having had super sticky track

tires on my Lotus they go away quick and

they cost a lot so what's your what's

your equation there Seth K asks if a

4Runner will get him up Little

Cottonwood Canyon in mid-march planning

on skiing Alta with his son in spring

break the bumper stickers around Deer

Valley say no one cares you ski Alta

just saying they do because there's a

ton of buper say Alta as if it's the end

all but still Alta is a great place to

ski but if they close the canyon or

you're sitting waiting to go up do not

peel off out of the line and go to the

7-Eleven to use the bathroom because if

you get out of line you're screwed to

get back in so plan ahead plan

accordingly yeah it's only one way in

and one way out but then you know skiing

is really great so keep that in mind

there's also a question about designing

your ideal three car garage from Rat

books must have one practical car one

dedicated sports car and one wild card

I'm going to do that for Italian cars oh

wow because I was just thinking how much

I really like the Maserati Gran

Turismo apparently the drive

happened I didn't get an invitation all

right kind of bummed all right the the F

Gore is happening that is the all EV

version of that car but just the GT you

realize it has the engine the netuno

engine out of the mc20 stuffed into that

car it's very large but it is a coupe

designed to carry four people genuinely

in the back seat so it's a large car so

that's my wild card I really actually do

like the styling because you can see

vintage Maserati in the grill that front

stands really proud a little bit too

proud and it really hearkens back to

those Maserati race cars the fonio area

so that's my wild card then I would have

a Ferrari Puro sang for my SUV of course

you would of course you would I like

this is killing it they didn't used to

be killing it and a 296 GTB because I

really like the styling on that one too

so that's my Italian garage not you I

quati and then you know you say which

one do I take the the V12 the V12 or I

guess the V6 twin turbo in inace is

writing in with the Super Chat thank you

for that very generous he's asking about

he said years ago we helped him pick an

A6 I'm glad now he's uh trying to

replace a G30 that's a BMW 540 I he

wants something more special he's got

$40,000 you need to walk your way over

to Alfa Romeo and look seriously at the

Julia can you get a quadrifolio for that

money sticking with Italy no can you get

a quadrifolio for that money because

that would be the brilliant one but even

the Bas Julia is you're it's going to

surprise you and and you don't see very

many and they are fantastic to drive

it's one of those cars where it looks

good and you go I hope it's good to

drive and you get you go yeah yeah it is

you know and it's not the paname problem

where it's like that's not that great

looking but man it's great to drive the

alpha kills it could also drive if you

can get into a second gen paname for 40

but I don't know that that's possible

you're probably in a first gen which is

a bit of a bummer but I think I think in

special category it's hard to beat the

alpha

Juliet fair fair I agree let's see

mundan I apologize if I have

mispronounced your name really

appreciate you being on with us shout

out to you uh Apollo Andrade asks about

any updates on the Cayman GTS am I still

considering came R 911 are keeping

Cayman and Todd your thoughts on the

Lotus Amira we we're not teasing

anything necessarily but we can't really

speak too much about it because we're

trying to figure out what things are new

in the garage I'm not alluding to

anything necessarily sure money from

heaven anyway sorry what money is the

biggest factor and availability of cars

so we we have to really still figure

that out and car manufacturers are still

kind of slammed I mean you think about

the co shutdown was three years ago kind

of right now well in a month or so but

still I think we're still feeling the

effects of everybody's transition and

slowdown development was obviously still

happening I had this conversation with

chance not too long ago and thought all

right you know we're usually just buried

in cars it's a notice it's a little bit

thinner so definitely we're we're still

thinking about what uh what 2023 will

bring so I don't want to go too deep

into that Rabbit Trail but yeah I mean

the truth is we don't know when we could

get in a mirror we are talking with lus

and the ability to get in Mirror they

got lot and they've never had this

before Lotus got slammed with orders

they have more orders than they've ever

had before fulfill customer orders right

now yes so our ability to even get in an

a miror is pushed way back to a we're

not sure people that we know that have

orders are on massive weight lists I

just want to drive one people orders yes

I am fascinated about it because it's

built on the chassis of the avora which

even though many journalists ignored it

started good when when it first started

everybody was like what the the Amore

they ignore until they got like the 410

400 410 GT and all of a sudden Jal like

what a minute this is a really good car

like yeah yeah welcome to the last

decade but it kept getting better and

they've taken it and they've made the

Amir I I can't wait I'm very

excited H let's

see what is the next fulllength movie

from MCC

now again with the car availability it's

kind of what we're up against you're

right right you know many people have

suggested the Mustang and now that the

seventh gen is coming out could be cool

it could be very cool but we're not

hearing things until later in the year

like kind of past the summer driving

season we shall see we're not quite sure

yet but uh you know anything can happen

but we definitely want to include the

newest generation in that thought about

the zc car

but yeah we're we're we're ning some

things but again that the priority is of

course the trips now since we're doing

two US trips instead of just one and

still creating our films and really the

comparisons are really where it's at I

mean two car films are important because

we get the back toback but increasingly

I feel like three and and even four car

films really tell a broader story for us

agreed and hopefully we can put the cars

together that we've always fought really

hard to put more than one car on camera

at a time which is why I mean this test

drive channel is just one car at a time

because we were getting sent so much

from manufacturers but our original

channel the actual everyday driver

channel has always been focused on

comparisons of course it's grown to

comparisons plus long terms of our own

cars I would also say this we have loved

making these feature films and I would

love to make one again but think about

this last year we're well we haven't

released the fourth one yet but last

year we filmed four huge road trips each

one of them was at least 45 minutes long

the second one and probably this one are

both right in an hour or more so we did

the equivalent of two feature films last

year M so in many ways and we love those

road trips and you guys responded well

thank you in many ways I think the road

trips may start replacing and eclipsing

the fact that we're doing these big uh

big comparo but the comparo are cool I

mean something we're known for and

they're hard to put together but man we

enjoy them

my brother-in-law Daniel just messaged

me he is Saab guy and he's watching

right now he just said since we're

talking about Italian cars can I bring

back the stitching conversation that I

had with a friend's dad and we were over

at their house and this friend of mine

he has I I am hoping this comes through

because okay he has a model y all right

okay and a few years ago he placed a

very early Tesla cybertruck order and he

has hung on to it so Elon let's go ahead

and get those built so we can review one

of those sure nevertheless his dad was

there and so we talked about all this

stitching it was kind of a family one of

those things you had to be there but we

were talking about stitching you're

gonna try to land it anyway good job

Bravo and we were talking about Italian

stitching and so I just I was making him

laugh with the with the Italian

stitching with my Italian accent so

there you go you're not GNA do the

accent that's what he's really going for

I know he's wanting the accent I have I

get get a passion about the Maserati

before I really start talking about the

stitching uh Peter T he's buying a rally

art sport back I had one of those engine

blue uh okay it really depends on how it

was taken care of I found out sorry

sorry sorry I mean I did that's what

happened that's why we did one video on

it because the engine blew halfway

through wintertime and it shuffled off

and I lost money on it but it went to an

EVO master who turned it into his shop

truck but but he called me the day he

got it off the truck okay with the

engine done and he he told me a bunch of

stuff about the car of course I didn't

know because of course he knows the cars

like crazy and he put up on a lift he's

like well this is its second

transmission and it's its third one of

these and so the question really become

I now let me turn it around I really

liked it I genuinely really liked it the

question is he didn't the question is

what's its uh provenance what's its

history because the problem is those

they only came with the Dual clutch

transmission which was notoriously

fragile and so that's why the one in my

car had been swapped so is its history

and is its history something that you

feel okay about because I thought they

were very cool see oh Andrew Licious is

asking if we consider a Miata safe

enough for a first car he's 15 and we'll

be getting getting one within a month

yes we do like it because despite it

being small you start to learn small car

Dynamics it's it's a different thing

than the path I took I had a giant Jeep

Grand Cherokee well it's just I guess it

was just a Cherokee but still it was

huge and I didn't learn small car

driving Dynamics till later in life life

and I appreciated those so much more

plus you're going to have to learn

different kinds of driving skills not

just by virtue that it's a manual if you

get a manual Miata but by virtue of how

small it is and the things that you need

to do to plan ahead to avoid traffic or

get ahead of it or let traffic get ahead

of you it's a very different Driving

Experience so congratulations well done

well bought and uh you're gonna love it

yeah if your parents are going for it I

think that's a fantastic choice the

problem is and I say this as a parent

and I'm already having these kind at

home there there there are two sides of

the parenting discussion you want your

kid to be a good driver you want your

kid to be safe and so when the parenting

protective nature takes over it's like

what's the biggest possible thing we can

put them in but I have been driving

around kids put in the huge monster SUV

and they can't drive it because they

just they they don't have a sense of it

which I understand spal awareness kind

of thing you've been driving five

minutes and you're driving a a blimp so

I think having something small that you

can learn is huge but yes you have also

be aware of the fact that you are the

smallest thing on the road Philip M hey

Phillip he is doing his own manance on

his gr6 are keeping the receipts and

records of his part as are they gold as

dealer records yeah they they absolutely

are almost anything you can think of but

of course the major service and are you

taking it to a place regularly you know

I'm guessing you're Toyota dealer for

that regular service they will of course

have all those records but print those

out and keep those easy to digitize

things too but just a nice thick binder

of all those things purchases and if you

really get into mileage you can start to

keep record of uh of your miles per

gallon too uh Neil is asking about Alpha

Romeo reliability has heard good and bad

my take at this point is I think if

you've ever considered a BMW why not

consider an alpha I don't think there's

any reason that it's a problem now some

of the juliia when they first came out

had issues car and driver had a

catastrophic one there were two in the

Press Fleet when we were driving them

and one of them at one point wouldn't

start and they didn't even know why but

then everyone we were ever given

everyone we've ever borrowed we even

tured a basement at one point and we

drove one on track and they never even

hiccuped something I heard from an owner

that bought a firste car is that that

owner's conclusion was because he chased

Gremlins that the original OEM battery

was underpowered for the car's needs he

put a heavier Duty battery battery in it

and all of his Gremlins went away so I

think at this point they've been out

long enough if you're considering a

Juliet why not if you're considering a

4C the issues that I've ever heard with

a 4C aren't it doesn't run it's just

doesn't drive as well as it should right

it's not a problem with reliability

though by you know 40 or 50% still it's

just not should drive better it it's

just not reliable at the limit it's a

fantastic back Ro Cruise car but I drove

we talked about this before I drove one

on Spa at for like half a day because

you were like I'm done I drove the same

car on Spa you were like I'm done not

and I wanted to go out there and like

figure it out and I would go into the

same Corner as I did a lap ago the same

way as I did a lap ago and it would do

something something different I was like

yeah what that shouldn't happen like

here's the keys yeah I'll go get now but

they're so good if you're not driving

them at the limit hey Mark Price is from

Topeka Kansas there is a Ferrari mundal

for $33,000 for sale in St Joe Missouri

who's is that that 33 Grand yes to that

I mean I don't have $33,000 right now

it's been dumped into the 928 but still

would I would buy the mondal but

mandal's are the business I I I thought

20 years ago I thought they were awful I

thought why is this even deserving of a

Ferrari badge and then we drove one

thanks to our friends at G's garage my

all about them mom grew up in St Joe

Missouri there was a mandal for sale in

St Joe Missouri somebody in St Joe

Missouri has a mandal they probably know

who it is I that's crazy and and I'm

sorry but they're G to they're going to

have to that Nationwide because nobody

in St Joe showed up going I want a m

that is the guy how make it way to St

Joe I don't know craziness weird all

right what else you got point to your

favorite Porsche in the in the photo

behind you we actually need to update

this photo yeah we uh if you've watched

50 years of 911 I'm going there 997 is

my favorite for sure yeah probably 993

for me the black one over there yeah

like that car let's

see oh man there's so many questions

it's great stuff it's great stuff best

daily driver that can also tow a car

like a gr86 to the track you know the

last when we were we were at Kota

Circuit of the Americas for our South

trip and we saw the thing that you only

see at track days and it was actually

after our event was a Porsche track day

and we saw the guy come through Cayenne

Towing

GT3 the Cayenne is a phenomenal to drive

SUV and it's got a 7,000lb towing

capacity so that's up there there are

some of the BMW M versions of their SUVs

I mean this is why those hot SUVs

actually can be useful is because they

can tow a car like that also you can if

you want to get crazy Ethan can you find

a really cool wagon with enough tow

capacity to tow your track car that's

really throwing down there I agree

Lawrence D says Ford offers free event

days with purchase of a Mach 1 Charlotte

and the Bronco the off- rodeo do you we

think other manufacturers will or should

do events with the purchase of their

Enthusiast Vehicles absolutely I mean

seeing Toyota do this with a free NASA

pass with with their gr Vehicles

absolutely I think that is it's not the

Tipping Point that makes you actually

want to buy the car you kind of knew it

even after you drove it you know you

want that car but is a nice thing that

sweetens the deal and what I like about

that is it usually means you get get to

get out there and use not your car

that's a great go thrash on off road on

track and you have a a Feeling like okay

I can really push to the limits of my

skill in the car and what the

instructors are teaching you I like that

part a lot and you can just go out there

with with kind of worry free you're

right it it is the best of all worlds

because it's not like bring your car

it's like we have your car and well I

just bought my new car it's not broken

in yet I don't want to thrash I don't to

beat it up or whatever that is you can

use their cars and that is a great thing

so I hope more manufacturers do this I

would I would love to see that but uh

yeah load does one out at our track uh

it's not necessarily for new cars but

they do have a Driving Experience Ford

is known for it Toyota's known for it

I'd love to see more how bulock is

saying what's our most automotiv

irresponsible decision that shirt's

being worked on by the way Mandy and I

talked about it this weekend I

really well I was actually gonna say the

faten were you really which I had which

I had a list of things that can and do

go wrong on this car and I would

purchase I love that you bought it and

what was a week and a half later

yes the front just collapsed well here's

fine right up until you got it well but

and here's what's crazy is I bought it

and I put it into the shop for

essentially a post-p purchase inspection

and it didn't make it out without the

shocks failing it went in fine fine and

they put winter tires on it that was

because it came from Florida of course

it did they put winter tires on it and

were doing a post-p purchase inspection

and I went over to pick it up and it was

sitting down you know KNE like a

kneeling bus yeah and I was like I

haven't I literally drove it from my

house to here that's all I've done

and it was died already and I knew I

knew it it was from the heat and

humidity to cold and dry when the F the

first year faton were known for

suspension failure guess what I got a

first year faton and it had suspension

failure that was the the only good part

of that story how is the fact that it

was $5,000 and I knew it was for the

show but I then instantly spent half of

that again just to get the nose off

rubbing off the

anyway let's see g87 M2 Hot or Not I

think so I mean now that prices are kind

of coming down across the board I I

still like all the m2s I really do

they're great beer garage says Hey from

Kuwait we had another one in here that

said hey from Japan awesome hey guys so

cool appreciate you jumping

see okay drive store or modify you see

this from

Josh the oh you've got a whole lineup in

here the 96 Ferrari lineup the 2001 BMW

or a 98 Honda acur

in that order or his in that order oh

storage oh so you're just you're just

throwing out figure that out we got got

to Circle back to that one I think one

one year and make for each Ferrari

lineup BMW or Honda Acura I have to

cross reference what was made those

years okay okay do it off the top of my

head anyway C driving profit says top

three luxury brands from Germany and

also Japan history of each brand their

philosophies and driving Dynamics how do

each match up and why is accurate jaan's

BMW is Lexus J the Japanese Mercedes

I've always thought AMG is like Germany

Chevy they are like those guys are

excited but it might be the Hellcat

engines like AMG engines kind of

matching up against the starian yeah I

see it it might be that because the the

2000s were just full of burnouts from

all the AMG cars like the Interiors

weren't that great system the bird out

decade I love it it's very good the nav

system wasn't that great we were kind of

figuring that out the materials were

okay the build quality was fine but have

you seen the engine signature of the

person who built it just burnout so yeah

I'm sticking with that even though well

what's uh what's the Japanese version of

that I I feel like Lexus hangs it out

the most even though okay they're

isolating from the Driving Experience by

virtue of styling because Lexus here

looks crazy Lexus in Japan hand looks

like what a boring car you drive

congratulations on your nice executive

classy sedan I see you yeah yeah I'm I'm

thinking uh yeah Acura could be compared

to BMW I could see that Mazda might be

up there too though Benjamin yast is

asking relationship advice I don't if

you saw this he says how do you have a

car purchase discussion when your

minister of finance doesn't want to talk

about cars and is resistant to a two-car

solution I'm going to use the two

metaphors I always use and that is uh

you have more than one pair of shoes you

have I mean you don't buy a pair of

shoes that does everything you just

don't okay there's that part of the

equation so if you are a person that

likes cars and you have a you want to

get a different car now please you can't

go buy honey I want to get another SUV

you already have an SUV that's a losing

battle if I want to get this other car

this is the two- seat convertible for

whatever they may not like it or

understand it but you can at least kind

of connect the dots because we have

dress shoes we have workout shoes we

have walk around in shoes you may have

slippers whatever your your shoe thing

is there's that there's also this part

of the equation that is whatever your

significant other spends money on and

buys multiple of what is that now the

reality is I don't care if it's

figurines or movies or you know whatever

it is whatever they collect it probably

doesn't cost as much as a car and that's

the downside to this conversation but

you can have step carefully Benjamin but

you can have the conversation of you

don't have to have others of the same

thing Paul has a lot of watches he loves

watches I don't even wear one okay but

but everybody has their thing so you can

have that discussion and try to make an

equivalency there and have a discussion

about different tools for jobs and maybe

get into a place where it's like I would

like to get this for this reason please

step

careful Josh calro asking for our

greatest Automotive influence in life it

didn't happen until a few years ago and

that is Paul Newman he won his last race

at age 80 he won Lama at age 70 you've

heard me talk about Paul Newman I mean

he was a philanthropist and race car

driver that kind of screwed around with

acting you're right that's a fair point

he wanted to be the race car driver for

sure yeah he he is definitely I I mean

his philanthropy alone was incredible it

still has a lasting relationship there's

people now that like who's Paul Newman I

don't know the race car driver that

there that's funny that's what you say

the story like yeah Ain G is saying

there's such a thing this is great is

there's such a thing as too much car

love will it stop him from being happy

he loves everything from Lotus to

Executive super sedans to Miatas to

trucks to nsx's to love this word

bellins like the popmobile Bellin is a

fantastic fantastic word anyway Erin yes

you here here's here's the thing you can

like cars too much if it you're

impossible to satisfy that is the issue

if if you're a person who and and you

can be this about anything if you're a

person who whichever thing you have now

that you have it you don't want it

anymore and you only want that if you

have a car you really like and you can

appreciate the things about that car

that are good while looking outward and

recognizing oh that's really cool and

that's really cool I think you're okay

if whatever you have is never good

enough because what I don't have one of

those try to find that balance where the

car you're driving you can see the good

stuff so that you can recognize the good

stuff elsewhere and maybe you get

another one of those but otherwise

you're always chasing the thing that you

don't have and you're never satisfied

and that is well frustrating and

probably unhealthy did we talk about

this already slow car asking what

Enthusiast car is po poised to decline

in value didn't talk about that for

example the E90 M3 I think mr2s are

poised to decline in value they already

aren't very you can get one cheaper than

most I don't think they're bottoming out

and starting to go back up I really

don't they're good they're fun I just

don't think they're going back in valued

like Corvettes and Porsches and all the

rest I mean the the recipe is there I

just those cars in particular all three

generations Dasher 503 says fun daily

driver that will do Light Winter Duty in

the Pacific North Northwest he's

considering a low miles Focus RS or wait

and try to get a gr Corolla core or

circuit at sticker price he had an RS

and misses it dearly but the gr seems

great I think the you could get a Focus

RS right now you could find somebody

selling one now the question is is it

stock because it probably isn't that's

the downside the one that we found for

our comparison happened to be stock

100,000 miles we were amazed at how well

it drove for being a I think it was a

third owner car at 100,000 miles that

Focus was very impressive he just had a

kind of a general Refresh on it was

awesome 103,000 you could go buy one of

those right now that's been well taken

care of and you would have a great car

right away with one problem man they

ride hard so are you okay with that

because the Corolla actually has options

in the way that it rides and I think

overall rides better as a daily than the

Focus RS does but if you're okay with

the Focus RS rides you you know what you

could do I'm just throwing this out

there you could get a Focus RS now for

save some money and wait two years and

get a Corolla when all the freakout

calms down because I think the Corolla

is a worthy upgrade I do but it's

difficult to say yeah run out and wait

pay the market don't don't pay markup so

can you handle the ride of the focus

that to me is the sticking point Dylan

Meyers asking me what is my favorite

design language right now any brand

under

$100,000 Mercedes continues to be my

favorite right now I think they they're

designing with soft forms rather than

hard edges like BMW I like some BMWs but

generally speaking I mean and not even

the front ends I mean we're just talking

styling proportions alone I really do

like what Mercedes is doing but they've

been doing it a while now and they're

they're in a noticeable shift I feel

like there's some hard Edge creeping

into some some newer cars that I'm

seeing the uh spy photos of the AMG GT

I'm seeing a little bit a different

they're trying to make those forms a

little bit less meat in the form and

little bit more taught kind of lines in

there so I'm kind of wondering where

where that is going Audi is actually

interesting to me there's their concept

cars have put out some interesting form

language which I'm intrigued by love the

EAS your way that Wag that EV A6 wagon

that they the concept that they promoted

was like oh my gosh that thing's

beautiful I don't want it to go as far

as Volvo has gone though where it's

clinical and sterile and and so perfect

that it's where's the fun where's the

sloppy it up a little bit you know H

have something some kind of frivolity in

the design so I I don't want it to take

it that far I guess but uh but yeah I

guess European styling right now I mean

I feel like the American styling is

appropriate for where they're going for

EVS the Cadillac lyric is handsome and

interesting I can't say I'm in love with

it but is appropriate how disappointed

are you by the uh the Ram pickup truck

concept and then the actual one they

released a week later the concept really

cool and then they released one that

looks essentially like their current Ram

with different front and end there was a

budget discussion oh yeah and things had

to be pulled way back I like that they

let themselves be really blue sky of

course that's what every concept does

but still push it more I mean I feel

like the designers always lose the fight

and that's just how things are when are

we going to win

one like when do we win apple is the

only company all right all right the

designers Drive the design they tell the

engineers it has to be this thin if it's

not this thin go away and come back this

is the envelope you have make all the

stuff fit and then come back and we'll

you know make it run that is to my

knowledge the only company that makes

designed first here's the car go put all

the stuff inside it and we'll make that

when do we when are we going to win one

when do we win okay Maserati I like what

Maserati is doing right now they're

they're another one but they're not I

mean some of them are just slightly

under 100 Grand yikes MK says always

wanting to improve my driving skills

sometimes the desire makes me struggle

one day I thought about how I move my

arms fingers and legs and that makes me

panicked has the same thing happened to

us couple things I want to say here

first off if you can't at all at all

please go to a track based driving event

get in a beginner group and ride with an

instructor because it's a it's a whole

body thinking and and I think if you end

up are just focusing on little things

you you may freak yourself out and then

I will say the biggest thing and I I

literally say this out loud to myself in

a car on track regularly and sometimes

on back roads it's eyes your your body

once you learn and this I'm going off

track here but once you as a toddler

learn enough about your body to stand up

and walk from that point forward forward

your eyes are taking in so much

information that the rest of your body

is processing to naturally do what your

brain is trying to get it to do and

you're not thinking about wait get this

leg around it's just doing and it's

amazing how that tracks through so many

other things any sport you can name

shooting skiing uh but especially

driving and we're not taught that eyes

matter when we drive but if you take any

track driving you learn it instantly and

I am always amazed on ramps randomly

driving especially on canyons and always

on track if I worry about are my eyes up

am I taking things in around the corner

am I looking through stuff the whole

rest of my body calms down gets better

more focused slower and I become a

better driver so my number one

recommendation to you you're not

surprised after that rant is eyes

speaking of rant Tom Z is calling me out

saying I would be surprised to know that

design wins quite frequently at GM and

FCA and also uh the studio always won

when he was working in seats at

FCA glad to hear it but we can have this

conversation sometime when we meet in

person yikes did the stellarians did the

design win did that Ram concept it

really looks like that new front end on

a 1500 that you can buy right now first

glance there's other things did the

Corvette designers really win or is that

the most compromised car ever designed

in a good

way did

GM actually build a Ford Bronco

competitor called the Blazer or is it

just another SUV with the Blazer name

sure yeah yeah we can argue this

but still thank you for listening thank

you for writing appreciate it I love the

I love always fighting words it's really

fun personal and and clearly Tom has

experience so I really appreciate

that yes Devon is recommending autocross

and I totally agree you can do autocross

for much cheaper than a track day and

all of the same rules apply so there's

nothing wrong with autocross as an

alternative I 100% agree with that

because the other thing about autocross

is you keep your speeds down and if you

are new to Performance driving an

autocross will almost make you sick

because you haven't felt a car do those

Sensations before so that's a big thing

for sure I totally agree with that let's

see subject 911 does chance think he is

the house photographer for spa Jamie

price doesn't think so wow well he's

done a great job and chance has amazing

amazing photography and composition it's

yeah composition color of course but

he's got a great eye and then he does

that in video for us too so let's see

where have we had the most fun in caring

and I saw that question and also what

percentage from Anthony what percentage

of fun is caring versus a normal track

day uh does the massive cost savings add

to the enjoyment look the great thing

about carting is the fact that you can

grab a bunch of buddies you can do it

and it feels completely no stress and

you're not tearing up anything and the

costs are a lot less there is not a

single thing wrong with carting and all

I mean look at all the current F1

drivers they all started out in carts

okay they all did so the all of the

skills track and the thing is if you go

to a competitive C cart weekend it's not

a bunch of kids out there it's a bunch

of guys that wish they were F1 drivers

that are now middle-aged and they can

afford a cart and it is competitive and

those guys are good drivers so all of

that plays if you want to do that

there's not a single thing wrong with

carting the problem with carting

compared to a normal track day is often

if you do the indoor ones the track is

Tiny so if the track's got any room to

run we've got a really good track out at

our local RAC track a really good

carding track out there that's actually

got some space you got any room to run

caring is 100% l love it let's see

mundan asks if there's any cars whose

sum of the parts is better than the

whole and any cars that are better than

the sum of their parts kind of the same

thing there really it really comes down

to BMWs I feel like a lot of those uh

well the E46 M3 is parts that thing is

magical car to drive it is good it is

good the 1M see I think the 1M super I

think I think the E46 drives like the

hype suggests that it will even though I

think the hype may be a little Beyond it

now but you hear all the oh okay so this

is from the best erir of BMW and it's

got the straight six it's got hydraulic

steering and it's got that cool styling

and and you get in and you go yeah okay

all right whereas the 1M is a

Frankenstein car and you get in and go

how did this get this good it feels like

it elevates itself beyond that I like

being in BMW though that's good uh I

love Dak 101 asks would a Genesis g70

fit rear-facing car seats or does the

G80 have enough sport to be fun to drive

it does it definitely does but those big

are you sorry yeah I I love that people

are jumping on to to help you out Dak

this is excellent the g70 I think will

but that uh front passenger seat will

probably be moved forward a

bit yeah we don't know how tall you are

so depends on how tall you are how big

the seat in the back is yeah for sure a

lot of things there the G80 certainly

will fit but I don't feel like anything

about the G 80 is very sporty it's not I

mean it's it's competing with the big

you know the the A8 and the Seven Ser

it's aiming for those guys so its first

purpose is not to be fun to drive

whereas the g70 is very fun to drive if

you weren't trees like us then yeah you

could probably get a rear facing child

seat in there I don't think you could

get two in there I think your passenger

is going to have to be bumped up a

little bit but it really depends on your

size 86 Monty asks if I'm excited for

the 911 in the new Transformers

movie there's a 911 in the new

Transformers movie yeah yeah classic 911

that that that's the thing they're

leaning on that the character's name is

Mirage apparently okay and it can

project other versions of itself and

confuse police cars yes I've seen this

much of the movie50 transmission I who

cares because mainly it's driving itself

that's the key thing of course it is

driving itself the guy is screaming out

of the passenger seat I the driver seat

that he's not driving I'm totally

excited yes I can't wait all

right let's see what else is going on

here man there's so much good stuff holy

moly I can't believe best national park

for driving in Eric I will tell you this

Zion is gorgeous and terrible to drive

in most national parks seriously Zion

wants you to park and get on a

bus and if you drive through you're

driving through at practically walking

pace it's gorgeous but there is no fun

driving to be had Yim Valley is the same

actually oity Valley is spectacular to

drive in uh from a visual standpoint but

terrible from a driver's standpoint most

of the really busy national parks are

not fun to drive in what's interesting

is sometimes the national forest yosim

is this way the national forest outside

the National Park is spectacular because

you haven't gotten into the oh look at

that and this Overlook and all the stuff

that slows every because people are just

gonna be like totally I will take say

the best and I don't even know how you

do this now because they've changed Yim

Valley since it's happened but the best

time I ever had in yosity Valley scenery

wise our buddy Nathan used to have a

Ford Ranger the old Ford Ranger and he

brought it up to Yos Valley once and we

took turns I don't know that I recommend

this but it was very fun we took turns

lying down in the bed of the pickup

lying on your back putting all your

limbs out so you were kind of braced so

all your vision was straight up and then

drive through the valley crazy and it

was amazing to take the valley in that

because the walls are so high but of

course it's not like we're hooning we're

driving along at walking pace it was fun

for the person in the back Anthony G

says should there be a limit on the

amount of horsepower able to be driven

on the road does anyone need a th000

horsepower electric vehicle would such a

restriction actually lead to extra fun

cars in

production I suppose not but here we've

got a lot of current cars that are 350

horsepower and under that are manuals

and they're a lot of fun front-wheel

drive rear wheel drive all-wheel drive

there's a lot of them out there I think

people tend to associate horsepower with

fun that's the default more horsepower

is more fun I'm not saying it's not you

feel that way much more stronger than I

do but I take your point I do love more

power but there's definitely a tipping

Tipping Point for me that GT86 just

didn't have enough the chassis can

clearly handle more it was version 1.0

but you've been satisfied by the gr86

exactly it hasn't been that much more

and still 228 horsepower on paper looks

nothing triple the amount of your

horsepower so it should be more fun but

there's of course a Tipping Point I'm

really curious to see we've discussed

this before and that is once

manufacturers get a hold of smaller

light weight fun cars that are EVS what

is that going to do to the Dynamics and

how will they overcome because you can

just get a whole bunch of horse power

out of motor of course you can change

the battery packs you can you can

extract good power out of those small

cars but then your sacrifices of course

weight so what's the balance going to be

whatever wins the drag race is the best

vehicle right no anyway yeah okay right

moving

on Love It any manufacturers developing

I sorry I just have to answer this

because I know it's going to make Paul

cringe any manufacturers developing an

electric car that isn't based on a

skateboard platform well you know canoe

is developing one based on the stateb

skateboard platform just canoe it's just

it's a Tylenol pill down on Wheels it

works it's gonna be great yeah great car

they're great yeah I hope here's the

thing I think Eric that there will be

manufacturers developing on bespoke

platforms just to differentiate

themselves and I don't think it's

happening yet but I do think that the

only way that people are going to be

able to do sports cars that are fun

electric chassis is actually kind of

make them like Porsche makes a 911 and

puts the weight in the rear still that's

the only way it's going to maintain

niess otherwise we're gonna have a sea

sameness Greg Witherspoon asking who

offers a good driving school for manual

transmission something other than the

basics that's interesting I mean you're

asking really for heel and toe it's

funny because there's a lot of track

days that it's just assumed that

everybody can handle really quick heel

and toe downshifts into hot Corners you

know I think that's something you'd

probably have to request because I bet

you any driving school will have

particular instructors that are really

kind of the experts in that field that

could really break it down for you but

it's you're G to have to really hunt

that out because there's so many people

with pdks and dcts and cars they just

you know you're quicker on track with an

automatic or a dual clutch but that art

is so so lost you're going to have to

whatever your driving school is near you

just just request that and get into a

conversation with him how bulock has

thrown down a remarkably difficult track

daily Crush at first I thought it was

easy but now I'm looking at it and I

don't think it is Mustang Mach One which

we really like okay Civic typ R I'm

gonna assume the new one which we really

like and gr super manual which we also

really like so you can't here's the

thing how you can't go wrong here two we

get to drive either a lot or a little

track daily Crush i

h i uh

man oh man that's really hard I uh I

think I think the super manual would be

my track car I think if I had any family

to consider that would mean that the

Civic Type R becomes the daily and that

means I unfortunately have to crush the

mach one but if we're not talking family

I think the Mach One would be the daily

and the gr super manual would be uh the

track car and then the Civic gets

crushed but what what level of usability

do we need because the thing that Civic

Type R does so well is it has good

usability it loses for me because it's

front whe Drive I mean it's been

fantastic fourwh drive but the the Mach

1 has the has the street attitude that

the Supra doesn't but the super manual

is so good it's so

good let's see man these are great

questions we're already at the top of

the hour that's we are we're gonna WRA

it up fairly soon but you guys are

awesome it's really really

fantastic let's see Jeff C enjoys the

Easter egg in our videos of the rotating

State plates depending on the shoot

location what is your favorite state

plate design could be from standard

specialty or leg see I mean we got to go

with the Utah skier even though I have

the Arches on most of my tags but still

the Utah skier I when when I made those

plates it says greatest snow on Earth

and I totally missed an opportunity to

just change the greatest show on Earth I

totally missed that opportunity but yes

I I mean Utah for sure but uh something

with the you know interesting not just a

color and blank but uh yeah uh we got a

Super Chat just came through from BW

siphone is saying has a 13 Range Rover

Sport 50 Supercharged motor may be blown

I'm not sure what the question is that's

my only problem there I I'm happy to

talk about it I just I don't know if

you're asking for what's next I but we'd

have to think about budget Jordan then

follows up is is my uh my wife's Cayenne

for sale there is discussion about

things trading out in the garage and I

will say this I will say this there will

be things for sale this year uh I am

probably going to stay off of things

like cars and bids and those kind of

things and I'm going to allow the folks

on Discord to fight over it unless

nobody on Discord wants them so if you

really want mainly because I just want

to stay off those auction sites if you

really want to be in discussion about

cars being sold uh probably should be on

Discord uh VDB iPhone follows up uh just

four questions down just got a Range

Rover got from a Range Rover dealership

clean one owner 89,000 mile had it for

four days on an extended warranty and

they are fighting you on it I mean you

may have to because your motor might be

blown you may have to lawyer up I hate

to say it but but if you if you have an

extended warranty and the motor blew

within that range of time that has to

fall under the purview of extended

warranty but now you have the problem

which is the thing I always struggle

with in these situations do you want to

get a lawyer how much do you want to

spend to chase this problem but you're

out money on the car and so yeah

extended warranty should cover you there

but lawyers are going to be involved

Jeremy says yes use pink slips on

Discord to sell your cars yes I know it

exists I know it exists and it keeps

happening and cars have have traded

hands on Discord as a result which I

think is fantastic so there will be

garage swap outs happening there from

from me for sure Josh M says chat GPT

answered 2022 portion 911 GT3 for the

most analog driver focused car available

right now clearly it is not not

implemented a Paul limiter we are going

to have to teach it the Paul limiter

aren't we well no hang on did you tell

chat GPT a price limit that might not

have happened because it is still a

computer and it only gives spits out

what you gave it so there is that as

well but you know what uh h i I also

would argue that statement just because

most analog I think that answer only

applies if we're talking new cars yeah

can chat GPT think about used cars oh oh

we shall see talking about most analog

drivers car all see I'm telling you the

computer is not perfect ladies and

gentlemen that's what we're concluding I

like that your wife Katherine is

trolling you on uh on the live stream

that fun to read yeah it's excellent

we're at the top of the guys really

appreciate all your questions we're

going to leave it there and you're not

gonna you're force me to answer I have

to answer that now okay well then go

ahead she said she's my wife is saying

track daily Crush dad car oh oh you're

gonna take this on oh I am gonna take

this on okay Lotus Elise Nissan 300ZX or

Jaguar e type track daily Crush well

track's easy Lotus Elise is track car

yeah so that means I'm left with a daily

and a crush ouch yeah spouses always

know how to push your buttons don't they

yeah she's gone right for the jugular on

this here's the problem is I hate to say

what I'm about to say there's no

problems the problem is that the E type

is going to be a terrible

daily that's the problem yeah because

it's it's going to need something

constantly and it's the most special and

it's the most special and the seats only

come to here and so unfortunately if

we're talking track daily Crush I track

the Lotus I daily the 300 ZX and that

means by process of elimination I have

to crush an e type which horrifies me to

my core but you know spouses are there

to challenge all theoretical yeah like I

said we'll leave it there really

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