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996 Turbo: The Porsche Worth the Risk | with Andy from While You're In There

996 Turbo: The Porsche Worth the Risk | with Andy from While You're In There

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Andy from While You’re In There joins Eleven After Nine to talk Boxster ownership, restoration, and why “ratty” cars can become great drivers once you put in the work. The conversation zooms out to Boxster culture, the 987.2 “Goldilocks” sweet spot, and 996 Turbo buying decisions—especially coolant-pipe risk, engine-out preventative fixes, and the 996’s old-school turbo feel. They also cover how documentation and community can add real value when selling.

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Porsche Boxster

"I have a Boxster and there's going to be other stuff on this channel too. It just so happens that Andy, I came to him when it comes to his Boxster. And we're going to talk about his 911s in a minute."

The Porsche Boxster is a Porsche roadster with the engine placed toward the middle of the car. The hosts are talking about why some people didn’t like it at first, and why they think it’s still a great buy.

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base Boxster

"I'm a fan of the base in general. I'm a big advocate for base. I think for most people, it's the right choice."

A “base Boxster” means the entry-level version of the Porsche Boxster. The host is arguing that most people don’t need the expensive options to get a great Porsche experience.

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hairdresser's car

"And it's a long history of being called the hairdresser's car or the lesser Porsche and all that kind of stuff."

“Hairdresser’s car” is a teasing insult people used for the Boxster (and Cayman). It’s basically saying, “this Porsche looks too stylish,” not “this is a real driver’s car.”

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Goldilocks generations

"But this one in particular, I think the 987.2, it's one of those sort of Goldilocks generations."

“Goldilocks” means “just right.” In this context, the host is saying the 987.2 Boxster generation hits the best balance—good enough to avoid the worst issues, but not so new that it’s unproven.

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new engine architecture

"It was, you know, 2009 to 2011, it was a new engine architecture."

“Engine architecture” means the basic design of the engine—how it’s built at a fundamental level. The host is saying the 2009–2011 Boxster got a more substantial engine redesign than a simple refresh.

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IMS bearing

"It did away with the IMS and the IMS bearing, bore scoring concerns and so on and so forth."

An IMS bearing is a small part inside certain Porsche flat-six engines. Some versions are known to fail, so when the host says it was “done away with,” they mean that risk was reduced or eliminated.

Car

987.2

"But in particular, the base of the 987.2 is a 2.9 liter engine with the new architecture, but it's not direct injection."

“987.2” is Porsche’s internal generation code for the Boxster/Cayman platform. Here, the key point is that the base engine and the higher-trim engine use different fuel-injection setups.

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direct injection

"but it's not direct injection. Yes, exactly. The S of that year is direct injection, but the 2.9 isn't."

Direct injection means the fuel is sprayed right into the engine’s combustion area. The host is saying some versions of this Porsche use it, while the base version doesn’t.

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flat sixes

"It's, I mean, like so many flat sixes, it loves to be revved out and it really howls in the higher RPMs and it's just a wonderful, wonderful engine"

“Flat sixes” are engines with six cylinders arranged in two banks that sit flat like a boxer. The host is saying these engines tend to sound great and feel happiest when you rev them higher.

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RPMs

"it really howls in the higher RPMs and it's just a wonderful, wonderful engine"

RPMs tell you how fast the engine is spinning. When the RPMs go up, the engine usually sounds louder and can feel more energetic.

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port injected

"And because it's not, it's port injected instead of direct injected, you don't get [597.7s] carbon buildup on the valves"

Port injection sprays fuel into the engine’s intake passages. It’s different from direct injection, where fuel goes straight into the cylinder, and that difference can affect how much gunk builds up inside.

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direct injected

"And because it's not, it's port injected instead of direct injected, you don't get [597.7s] carbon buildup on the valves"

Direct injection shoots fuel right into the cylinder. That can be efficient, but in some engines it can lead to more carbon buildup on the valves over time.

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carbon buildup on the valves

"And because it's not, it's port injected instead of direct injected, you don't get [597.7s] carbon buildup on the valves"

Over time, soot can collect on the intake valves. That buildup can make the engine breathe less freely, which is why people talk about it when comparing injection types.

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Great Recession

"I mean, just 08, 019, the Great Recession, they weren't making them and people weren't [618.3s] buying the bases"

The Great Recession was a big economic downturn. The host is using it to explain why fewer cars were being made and bought during that period.

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PDK

"It's also important to remember too, that was the first year of the PDK and so many [629.0s] of the ones that you will find were sold with PDK"

PDK is Porsche’s dual-clutch transmission. It shifts quickly because it’s ready with the next gear before you need it.

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rising tide lifts all boats

"We talk about this a lot on 11 after 9 that the rising tide lifts all boats, [713.3s] but this is not in a good way. [715.2s] It's just the prices of things are all going up and dragging everything with it and especially"

It’s a saying that means when the overall market gets better, lots of things go up together. Here, they’re saying that while prices rising can help owners, it makes it harder for other people to find and buy the cars they want.

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secret cars

"It's just the prices of things are all going up and dragging everything with it and especially [719.4s] these secret cars that it used to be, the if you know you knows type of cars are getting swallowed [725.7s] up and they're appreciating too and it's great if you own them."

“Secret cars” are the less-famous models that used to be easier to find and cheaper. The point they’re making is that once more people notice them, they become harder to buy and cost more.

Car

2001 9-11 turbo

"Yeah so this you're right this is a car I've now owned twice this is a 2001 9-11 turbo in forest green metallic with savannah beige interior in killer color very few of them in that in that era in that color six-speed manual of course it has about 73,000 miles on it now"

This is a Porsche 911 Turbo from the 996 generation, and it’s powered by a turbocharged engine. The host also mentions it’s a six-speed manual, which is the more driver-focused way to shift.

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six-speed manual

"very few of them in that in that era in that color six-speed manual of course it has about 73,000 miles on it now"

A six-speed manual means you shift gears yourself using a clutch and a gear lever. It’s usually more engaging for drivers than an automatic transmission.

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sports seats

"it's pretty lightly specced it's got sports seats and a rear wiper as most of the turbos did at the time but and that's about it"

Sports seats are seats designed to keep you more firmly in place while driving. They usually feel more supportive than basic seats, especially in turns.

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rear wiper

"it's pretty lightly specced it's got sports seats and a rear wiper as most of the turbos did at the time but and that's about it"

A rear wiper is the windshield wiper that clears the back window. It helps visibility when it’s raining or dirty out back.

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hollow spoke turbo twists

"one of the wheels was cracked um and these are you know hollow spoke turbo twists and they're they're hard to find and can be quite expensive"

These are a specific style of Porsche wheel with hollow spokes. If one cracks, it can be dangerous and may not be something you can just patch—so you often end up replacing the wheel.

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psi a day

"so it was losing a couple of psi a day and I kept taking it back to the tire shop"

“psi” is tire pressure. If it’s dropping by “psi a day,” that means the tire is slowly leaking air and needs attention.

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dunked it in the tank of water

"eventually they dunked it in the tank of water and found a crack in the wheel"

They put the wheel in water to help find the crack. Air escaping from a leak makes bubbles, which makes the problem easier to spot.

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suspension refresh

"it was going to need a suspension refresh it had about 65,000 miles on it when I bought it and it was on the original suspension and all the original control arms and bushings"

A suspension refresh is when you replace worn parts that help the car ride and handle correctly. If the car still has original parts, it can feel like a big, expensive project.

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control arms and bushings

"it was on the original suspension and all the original control arms and bushings and all that stuff needed to be done"

Control arms are suspension links that locate the wheel and allow controlled movement. Bushings are the rubber/urethane bearings inside those links; when they wear out, they can cause looseness, vibration, and uneven tire wear—often prompting a suspension refresh.

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engine out

"coolant pipes and all those types of engine out jobs was was scary as well"

“Engine out” means the mechanic has to take the engine out of the car to reach the part. That usually makes the repair much more time-consuming and expensive.

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coolant pipes

"could you explain real quick about the coolant pipes and why they're kind of an issue in a worry? Sure yeah so on these mesgar engines"

Coolant pipes move the liquid that keeps the engine from overheating. On some 996/997 engines, the parts that connect those pipes can loosen over time, and you can lose coolant very quickly.

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epoxy

"they all used a sort of glue or epoxy to hold the coolant pipe fittings into the case of the engine and that epoxy over time has shown to fail"

Epoxy (a glue-like adhesive) is used to hold coolant pipe fittings into the engine case on these Mezger engines. The segment explains that the epoxy can degrade over time, leading to fitting release and rapid coolant loss.

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pinning

"have the coolant pipes either welded in place or do what people call pinning which is essentially you know screwing in a sort of a tapping screw into the fitting to prevent it from removing"

Pinning here means adding a mechanical fastener so the connection can’t come loose. It’s a way to stop the coolant pipe fitting from separating and losing coolant.

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bore score

"the bore score thing the IMS thing what those numbers are and maybe that is overblown um I [1537.3s] my sense is and please tell me I'm wrong Andy"

“Bore score” means scratches or wear inside the engine’s cylinder walls. If it gets bad, it can hurt compression and engine health. The hosts are debating whether this is a big problem or exaggerated for these cars.

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thermo cycles

"a little bit more when not if just because of the thermo cycles on the engine the epoxy is [1548.0s] going to get stressed over time"

“Thermo cycles” just means the engine constantly goes from hot to cold. Over time, that repeated heating and cooling can weaken materials. In this case, they’re saying it can stress the epoxy that’s involved with the coolant pipes.

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correlations between climates where these cars are driven

"there's been a lot of people that have tried to you know [1553.3s] build sort of correlations between uh climates where these cars are driven or how they're driven"

They’re talking about whether things like hot vs cold climates or track driving can predict when these problems happen. The host’s take is that those patterns don’t really show up clearly. So it’s more about time/age than specific driving conditions.

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not stuck in that situation

"it will happen at some point and if you really want to be sure that [1599.4s] you're not stuck in that situation you just have to bite the bullet and fix it"

They’re basically saying: don’t wait until something fails. If you want to avoid getting stuck with a big problem, either do the preventative repair or buy one that’s already been fixed. It’s about reducing the odds of an expensive surprise.

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weld

"or buy a car that's already had it done yeah coke and Pepsi pin it or weld it these are [1610.4s] the two camps this is like west side story and they're fighting each other"

Here, “weld” means using welding as part of a preventative fix for the IMS area. The idea is to reduce the chance of the IMS bearing failing. They’re saying there are two main methods people choose between, and the workmanship matters.

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zero to 60

"it's fast it's really quick and it you know it was it was super car fast at the time and even by today's standards it's really quick i mean zero to 60 in in the low fours uh or high threes depending on who's measuring"

Zero to 60 is how fast a car accelerates from a standstill to 60 miles per hour. Lower time usually means quicker acceleration.

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turbo lag

"it's sort of a kind of old school turbo feel in the sense that there is turbo lag and and you know you're sort of you're waiting for it to spool up and then it just hits you like a roller coaster"

Turbo lag is the short pause you can feel before a turbo engine really starts making boost. You press the gas, then there’s a moment of waiting before the power kicks in.

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spool up

"and and you know you're sort of you're waiting for it to spool up and then it just hits you like a roller coaster but not not quite so extreme"

“Spool up” means the turbo is spinning faster until it starts forcing more air into the engine. When it spools up quickly, the car feels more responsive.

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boxers

"i think that the answer kind of is it depends and i think this is this is a thing that i'm finding a lot with certainly with boxers a lot with 996 is is there are perceptions of how these cars are to drive"

Here “boxers” refers to Porsche’s flat-style engine. The host’s point is that if a car has been neglected, it can feel worse than it should, and people may assume that’s how all of them drive.

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rear engine

"it's still a 911 it still drives like a 911 it's still you know still has the rear engine feel and and all that kind of stuff"

This means the engine is mounted in the back of the car. That layout affects how the car feels to drive, especially how it balances and turns.

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update the suspension

"but even then even uh you know taking that into consideration it's still a 911... but i think if you take one of them and you really get it dialed in you update the suspension you you you know bring it up to today's standards"

Suspension is what controls ride and handling. If it’s worn out, the car feels sloppy; refreshing it can make the car feel tight and fun again.

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refresh everything

"you update the suspension you you you know bring it up to today's standards and and you refresh everything it's it's a really really compelling driving experience"

This means replacing old, worn-out parts and fixing systems that have gotten tired. The host is saying a well-sorted car can feel totally different from a neglected one.

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Porsche 930

"having owned a 930 in the past that power delivery with the turbo was very light switch what i loved about the 996 was that when the turbo came on"

Porsche 930 is the older 911 Turbo generation. They’re comparing how the turbo power hits—this one comes on more suddenly than the newer car they’re describing.

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turbo was very light switch

"having owned a 930 in the past that power delivery with the turbo was very light switch what i loved about the 996 was that when the turbo came on"

“Light switch” means the turbo power feels like it turns on suddenly. Instead of gradually building, it hits and you feel the surge right away.

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turbo starts spooling up

"you've just got it ready and waiting and if you put your foot down it's going to really wow you it's it's a pretty incredible experience"

“Spooling up” means the turbo is winding itself faster as the engine revs and exhaust flow increases. Once it’s spinning enough, it starts making boost and the car feels stronger.

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boost gauge

"and if you put your foot down it's going to really wow you it's it's a pretty incredible experience when you're starting to it's got the boost gauge in in the you know in the dash cluster"

A boost gauge tells you how much pressure the turbo is adding. As you press the gas, the number climbs, and that’s when the car is making its strongest turbo pull.

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bars

"the most enticing german word uh actually i shouldn't say it's a german word it's a it's a unit of measurement bars and does your gauge have bars as bars yeah bars in terms of what the what the pressure is"

“Bars” is just a way of measuring pressure. On a turbo gauge, it tells you how much boost pressure the turbo is making.

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swiss army knife

"it's maybe much more than a boxer more of a swiss army knife of yeah what do you want to do today"

This is a metaphor meaning the car can handle lots of different kinds of driving. The guest is saying the Porsche 996 feels versatile, not just one-trick.

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bore scoring

"there's really no sort of catastrophic issues to be concerned about bore scoring isn't a thing the ims bearing isn't a thing"

Bore scoring means the inside of the engine cylinders gets scratched or worn. If it happens, it can lead to oil consumption and engine wear, so the host is saying this is not something you typically have to fear on these engines.

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aos water pump

"um you know aos water pump you know all of those types of things are all very standard"

The AOS (air-oil separator) helps keep oil mist out of the engine’s breathing system. The host is saying the related water-pump/maintenance items are normal and not usually a big surprise problem.

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second gear pop out

"there are some nuances with certain years and potential transmission issues there's a thing called second gear pop out which can happen happen I think largely in the in the earlier ones 2001 2002 where when coasting in second gear your your your car will just pop out of second gear into neutral"

Second gear pop out is when the car unexpectedly kicks out of second gear and goes into neutral. The host says it’s mostly seen on earlier years and is usually tied to the transmission internals, not the engine.

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detent

"this as far as I understand largely just requires a transmission rebuild to fix there's a little piece of detent that you can put in that can help prevent it"

A detent is a little mechanical “catch” that helps keep the shifter/gear engaged where it should be. The host is saying a detent-related fix can help stop the gear from popping out.

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tiptronic

"you will find a lot of them with tiptronic transmissions and I haven't ever driven one tip turbos a lot of tip turbos and I think that speaks you know sort of to the intention of the 996 turbo too"

Tiptronic is an automatic transmission that lets you choose gears yourself if you want. The host is saying the 996 Turbo often comes that way, and it matches the car’s relaxed, long-distance vibe.

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service records

"take a look at service records take a look at interior condition"

Service records are the paperwork showing what work a car has had—like oil changes and repairs. When you’re buying a used Porsche, they help you judge whether the car was cared for.

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tufted leather

"but the 993s were soft or tufted leather and I felt like wore a little bit better"

Tufted leather is a type of seat or panel upholstery where the leather is stitched in a way that creates a slightly padded, patterned look. They’re saying that this kind of leather can hold up differently over time.

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air-cooled

"the shifting is from a 993 like it feels to me old-school air-cooled shifting but the motor has more pep and it has not as not more character certainly but it has enough character that it harkens back to you know what was an air-cooled motor"

An air-cooled engine uses airflow to keep the engine from overheating, rather than circulating coolant. The host is comparing the classic feel of air-cooled 911s to the 996’s more modern, refined experience.

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IMS fails

"listen just buy one that you think is the best you can find at the time and just drive it and look if it if it has bore scoring three years from now or the IMS fails and the engine blows up whatever"

IMS is a part inside the engine that helps drive the timing system. If the IMS bearing fails, it can damage the engine badly, so it’s one of the big things people worry about on some 996s.

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KW V1 coilovers

"the previous owner had done um some suspension work on it he had kw v1 coilovers on it that I wasn't a huge fan of"

Coilovers are aftermarket suspension parts that let you change how the car rides and handles. The “KW V1” is a specific brand/model of coilovers, and the speaker didn’t like them as much as another option.

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holand's road track coilovers

"and I had put holand's road track coilovers on my c4 s and and really loved them so I I did that on this car"

These are aftermarket suspension parts that help the car handle better. The speaker liked them a lot on their other Porsche, so they used the same coilovers on this car.

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shifter cables

"I need to replace the shifter cables and and a few other little things"

Shifter cables are the cables that connect your gear lever to the gearbox. If they’re worn, shifting can feel sloppy or hard to get into the right gear.

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