A&G Marketplace Cars For Sale: BMW Z3 M Coupe, Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG Wagon, Audi R8 V10

episodes recorded than the old GM guru at this point yeah yeah I think you do

because if I go back and count like count them it'll be close we've got a

lot now yeah it's crazy to think how many episodes that we've done it's it's

been a lot of fun yeah going back to the car exchange this should be 72 I think

really wow that's awesome yeah no it's it's it's a lot it's a good amount so

we've been here pretty much would say about a year I think we started this

podcast here at garage analog and grit oh my god I'm dripping we started back

at that NGC obviously as the car exchange but at analog and grit we

started last year and the end of November I believe it was when this

place officially opened it's gone by so fast I can't believe it's been been a

whole year yeah yeah this place has been open now for a whole year and

obviously it's still going strong any upcoming events anything that you've

heard I know there's a special invite for this will go live Saturday so for

Saturday night yeah we do have a special invite event for members so if

you're a member here there might still be some spots available to sign up it's

gonna be basically just hang it out in a hangar at Gillespie field some planes

nice cars food and drink and yeah it should be a lot of fun is it like hangars

and watches and exotic cars yeah exactly sounds very much very much that vibe very

bougie yeah yeah very bougie so cool I mean we're gonna we're gonna go out there

and display some some cool cars just to kind of help the vibe yeah I think one

thing analog and grit does really well with the with the group with the

membership is being able to like go out and have access to these events that are

going on outside of you know this area of San Diego right like sometimes I'll

just go on my Instagram and I'll see you know the whole all the guys from the

members just hanging out on a boat you know somewhere in the middle of the

ocean somewhere you know and or or at like some like mansion up in the hills

you know and it'll be it'll be fun I'm sure if people interested in

exotics watches you know planes because there's gonna be some private planes

there what's not to love about the three of those right so cool all right but

today's episode we're gonna talk about the analog and grit marketplace cars for

sale so right now there's a handful of cars you can share since you pretty much

head that department but we'll stick to the top three at least in my opinion the

most exciting of the of the group of cars for sale so that's gonna be a

Mercedes a BMW and an Audi so technically we're covering all three of the

German major brands yeah you could call them the big three just not American

big three right yeah well right would that be fair to say the I would say the

big luxury three yeah yeah right because Volkswagen would be considered like the

Ford of German cars sure sure right but clearly Volkswagen owns Audi yeah right

so I guess you could say that's technically Volkswagen but yeah so go

ahead and tell us what cars are for sale so one that we just got in that's

pretty exciting I think that most enthusiasts will resonate with is a

2012 Audi R8 V10 coupe and it's a gated six-speed manual which makes it really

like the Holy Grail poster car for the Audi R8 I mean the Audi R8 alone just a

V8 model or a spider is is already a spectacular car but to get one and the

one we have is white with red interior red interior car gated six-speed coupe

V10 so it it checks all the boxes in terms of Audi R8 you know the one you

want to the one that everybody wants to get it checks all the boxes do you know

between the V8 and the V10 is the V10 like obviously it's more cylinders so

could it be less reliable so people may be like you know sway away from the more

more powerful version that's a good question it kind of depends like there's

what I've noticed in the community just being kind of an Audi guy for the last

few years is the mechanic it seems like the mechanics who work on the V10s

tend to like them and think that they're pretty like good robust engines but

they're they definitely require more to service but the V8 doesn't

particularly have the best reputation either for the R8 so you know they both

kind of have their issues I would say if you're gonna go big and get an R8 go

with the V10 I mean it's gonna hold its value a little bit better you know so

that would be a reason why maybe you could justify the added cost whether

that be the purchase price or the maintenance it's just one good way to

justify it is it's definitely a more valuable car there's a big price

difference if you comp you know V10s versus V8 R8s so but to answer your

question I would say they kind of both have their issues maybe the V10 might

carry just a little higher maintenance cost because maintenance is more

involved but it's not necessarily a worse engine than the V8 which has its

issues as well yeah because this is an engine derived from Lamborghini right so

it's I believe the same engine in the Gallardo of the time and some people

could be scared of that like it's an exotic engine you know it's not

necessarily an Audi engine you know what I mean but the car is an exotic car

right so why would you want you want something more bespoke feeling in a car

that feels like a supercar you know and to be fair the the V8 in the R8 is

different than Audi's regular 4.2 V8 so you know you could consider it like a

more you know exotic engine too it's not gonna carry the same maintenance cost

as the 4.2 liter V8 from like Audi A8 for instance right so this is you said a

2012 right correct so 2010 is when they started with the V10 coupe so before I

even get into values are you able to share what the asking price is yeah

absolutely we're asking 129,000 for it okay and what is the miles on it it's

at 43,000 miles and we have physical service records going back to 2018 clean

title I would say that 43,000 miles is just the right amount of miles for

somebody who wants to put on more especially with the service history you

don't feel like you're you know we've talked about this on past episodes but

it's kind of there's like a sweet spot mileage that varies by you know each

car in terms of like if you're looking for one that you want to actually drive

and enjoy that you don't just want to have in your garage you know and take

out five days of the year right so I think this is a great one to do that

with you know if you want to do the gumball rally or if you just want to

put some miles on the car I see so gated manual yes right so for those of you

that don't know a gated manual is essentially the transmission that you'd

find on a lot of like vintage Ferraris even Lamborghinis so for an Audi well

it already has a Lamborghini motor right now it has a gated shifter and it has a

styling that is I mean this is a 2012 this the style of this car still looks

super contemporary yes right I mean I love the way that car looks and then

with the rear glass and on the coupe showing you the engine bay like

everything about this car is amazing yes right now I've never driven one I

remember when we did the parade and in Coronado I don't know if he's actually a

member of analog and grit but was a member of GC it was a gentleman who had

one and he was driving it in the parade with us and I remember it was the first

time I knew that they came in a gated manual yeah I was shocked because I was

like an Audi with a gated man that's only an Italian thing you know what I mean

like like what are we doing here but still I was just like wow that's that's

all that just made this car so much more cooler absolutely right so that just

alone is is a is just so cool to have because of the sound it makes right when

it clicks and like it just feels like precision yes so tell me about your

driving experience with the with the R8 so I've driven R8 V10 gated and the

gated shifter feel is different and it feels better like it's it clicks into

each gear the throws feel short and you don't feel like you have to you know I

mean making a quick shift is in your footwork right it's never you're not

gonna quit shift quick by just throwing it into the next gear that's a good

unless it has a long throw right because then that's on the gearbox itself but

you make a really good point it is in your footwork yeah exactly and it makes

it feel like you can effortlessly shift pretty quickly in that car without

having to you know throw it into the next gear it it goes into the next gear

very smooth and deliberately and it makes you feel like you can shift quick

and confidently yeah okay speaking of shifting there there was a recent video

on Hagerty with Jason Camisa's Drag Race where he had the BMW he pretty much

had all the major like I guess you could call technically that it wasn't all

sedan so I can't say that it was the M3 the E63 and the R not the R8 the the A4

the what do you call RS the RS for RS for tripping so he had pretty much all

their you know mainstay like like the cars in their lineup that were the

sports cars like though they'll pretty much holy grail versions so and they all

were V8s right so for the first time all three companies had a V8 right for the

M3 for the the E63 and then for the RS4 so he drag raced them and the reason why

he felt and what he mentioned in the in the drag race was that the the bends

won by the way right and these are by the way all I believe they're all naturally

aspirated yes they are even the Audi was naturally aspirated back then so he was

saying that the reason why the Mercedes one was because it was an automatic right

where the BMW you know was able to get off the the line quick but it's the

shifts the long throws and all that that that delays it right because this is a

time now we're talking what was late 2000s right is the the year that those

cars came out and that's when automatics finally for the first time were

actually faster than manuals absolutely yeah and the Mercedes that was when they

came out with a seven speed and Mercedes has always kind of had I guess

people would describe them as like antiquated kind of transmissions like

they just use kind of conventional torque converter automatics the seven

speed feels like a transmission that Mercedes decided that they really wanted

to step it up more gears previously they had the tiptronic five speed which was

great but not a super fast shifting transmission and the seven speed just

keeps you right in the proper rev range so I could see why it would be faster

than a manual you know in a similar car right so let's segue to the Mercedes

now for sale that here at analog and grit mm-hmm so it's a 2008 E 63 was a W

3211 yeah we would call it a s211 since it's a wagon so the wagon AMG E 63 yes

right so I imagine right same time period 0709 right same time period as

the the the did I say E 63 I meant C 63 in the drag race if I said E 63 my bad

because it was a C class the the M3 and then the RS4 so they were all cars that

competed with one another right in that time period so anyway so this is now a

AMG E 63 wagon wagon so we looked at their production numbers and you didn't

even realize how how rare these are I had no idea insanely rare yeah like

special order rare like something that we got in the US because you know we

don't get wagons usually in the US yeah hence the RS6 Avant and all those cars

that never came here because they know they don't sell here right so they

already knew that that's why we never got them but Mercedes was selling us

these wagons right because we never even got an M5 wagon right yeah that's a

known thing too so we did get a Mercedes wagon and in this case there's one for

sale at AMG marketplace mm-hmm so tell us about it yeah so it's kind of a car

that did two things for Mercedes when they brought the that wagon to the US it

was one the first time that Mercedes had given the US an AMG powered station

wagon so that was a big first it kind of I would argue re kind of reignited the

the station wagon category for enthusiasts because obviously wagons

generally like for family use had died off like in the late 90s so for for

Mercedes to bring back a AMG powered wagon in 2007 was pretty unique and it

kind of maybe reinvigorated you know enthusiasts you know well they wanted to

get wagons again right you know which was something that we hadn't seen for a

while especially for enthusiasts mm-hmm and then the other thing was that I

believe at the time the m156 v8 which is the 6.3 it's actually technically a 6.2

liter AMG motor was the highest horsepower naturally aspirated v8 produced

at the time well so that was a figure that got people's attention and yeah and

then of course like having that with a wagon is just like I mean what's not to

love I think if you talk to most car enthusiasts they'll know about the e63

wagon which is a main reason why I say you know it kind of reinvigorated

enthusiasts passion for wagons yeah I feel like thinking back about wagons you

look at the type of demographic right you would think they're enthusiasts by

default because they simply like a car that is not common right so you have to

be an enthusiast to like a wagon right nowadays nowadays yeah but in Europe in

most places in the world people buy estate cars as they call them in England

because they need practicality right where in the US we've been driving SUVs

for the longest time now right so you're starting to see wagons disappear even in

Europe because people are starting to like gravitate towards SUVs yes right

they're still big lumpy cars they're not like they're smaller and narrow so

that's why you can buy a wagon in Europe and they're better for their small

streets mm-hmm but for the most part a wagon is kind of gradually because we

love wagons too in the US right like you look at all the wagons like the estate

car what's the the the one that was here that with the wood paneling the one that

on those we've got a Caprice wagon that's the work

Caprice wagon yeah like you look at those cars and you think like family

vacation in the 70s right you know so anyway my point is is I feel like wagons

automatically nowadays are you're automatically an enthusiast if you like

a wagon definitely right and then you look at like Doug DeMiro's following on

cars and bids because he's always owned the Mercedes wagon a lot of them are

wagon fans right like that was that's like the one segment I always like I

told twin brothers auto Ed like if you have a wagon sell it on cars and bids

that's like the one category of car I would rather sell on cars and bids than

on bring a trailer because of the following yeah that's a good point so in

this case let's talk about numbers so 153 sold in the US something like that

I'm not like I was doing some research I couldn't find any any data that said

there was more than 170 yeah if you want to get to the nitty like down to the

nitty gritty of it like maybe there were some that just weren't recorded but

these were special order right so the E 63 AMG the actual car came like in a

sedan version right so the wagon came with the third row rear-facing third

row that's probably like the most iconic and like memorable feature of the

Mercedes wagons as they kept the third row with 500 plus horsepower yeah right

it's pretty funny right having your kids in the back of that third row strapped

in going I don't know how fast on the Autobahn yeah right yeah and just seeing

everything from the rear window just kind of you know blur yeah blur by but

yeah so crazy that they made this car and and I can't like fathom how special

this car is like really when you first started it was the last week when you

told me about it and you started it up and I was just like all right cool it's

just like another you know E 63 AMG you know that V8 sounds good you know it's

not like like an American V8 it's quiet that's the reason why because when it's

stock it's quiet right car it still wants to be a Mercedes but think about it

it should be quiet the people that are buying this car are buying a wagon

because they want to be able to pick up their kids from school they want to grab

groceries and throw them in the back they want to obviously go on trips with

plenty of space for luggage and and you know all types of cargo but at the same

time when they're alone and their wives aren't with them or their husbands aren't

with them and they don't have their kids they could go on a nice road and you

know just drive that thing like it should be driven you know and you can

definitely hear the acoustics but you know if you're gonna I know they're

all it's an automatic right so you're not gonna be able to go through the gears

in it it's quiet when it's idling or if you're just like you know

grant driving it like a granny through traffic but as soon as you step on it

right you know you know you're driving a AMG tuned V8 right so have you driven

this one I have yeah I've driven other E 63's in the past as well from different

generations newer and older so tell me what's it like it's it's crazy because

it doesn't feel it feels fast but you really can't tell the speed because it's

so quiet and comfortable just in terms of interior you don't get a lot of road

noise you don't get a lot of tire noise it feels shockingly civil for a AMG

tuned car with 500 horsepower it can do the wagon duty you can put average

driver in it and they can take it to the grocery store and run errands and they

would never know it has 500 horsepower right or you know you can put it in

sport mode or you can hit the flappy paddles and have a little bit of fun

with it if that's what you desire and I think that's what's so cool about it is

like it does both in such a perfect way like it's such a good grocery getter and

it's also such a good performance car at the same time it handles well it

accelerates quickly it makes all the right noises but you still there's

probably a grocery bag hook in the in the back you know what I mean so it it

does both seamlessly yeah and that's that's how I would describe like the

essence of the driving experience it's the ultimate sleeper you know you really

is you pull up next to someone in a E 63 wagon and as soon as they see that it's

a wagon they're gonna assume that they're gonna assume it's not an AMG right and

to find out we have a 6.2 liter naturally aspirated V8 in that thing like

regardless if you if you burn them off the line or not you're you're gonna win

no matter what right 507 horsepower yeah I mean granted if you pull up next to a

modern C8 or something but regardless this is a car that is super usable but

it has all the driving dynamics that you'd want right now it's probably heavy

and a little cumbersome of a car right I don't know what the curb weight is but

it's gonna be up there since it's a wagon right it's a it's a big car but I

think that's a good trade-off for for practicality depending on your use case

for it absolutely I mean it's still yeah it's definitely heavier it's not a C

class but it still feels like eager enough to enjoy like as a weekend car

right all right let's move on to the next car which is the BMW so tell us

which BMW we have for sale here at Analog & Grid Marketplace well before we

get into that what was the price on the Mercedes the E63 we're asking 35 for

gotcha okay all right so what's the BMW the BMW we have currently is a 2000

BMW Z3 M-Coupe so also known as the clown shoe is the most popular nickname in

the car community one of the most recognizable car designs I think ever

it's a silhouette that is unmistakable I mean there's really I hate the sound

cliche but there's really nothing else like it you know it's got a long front

end stubby rear with the wheels you know shoved towards the rear of the

quarter panels near the back it's in lines it's a stick shift in line six

powered coupe with C pillars and a roof bolted onto it welded onto it basically

right yeah it's BMW's Z3 M Roadster with added structural support basically yeah

yeah exactly we've talked about this car in his podcast a few times you know

since it's been for sale and I just feel like this is a car that we need to

talk about more because you know it's gonna stand a test of time looks wise

this thing is so unique right we call it a clown shoe because it has the long

hood and all that but most there's a lot of cars that have a long hood even a Z4

had a long hood right like there's a lot of sports cars that have a long hood

right that's obviously design language that's been going around since like the

early SLs Jaguar yeah Jaguar E-Type and all that stuff but the shape of this

car is so unique when it's a coupe right yes the Roadster looks more

proportioned because it's a Roadster it's a convertible supposed to have the

long hood and it just makes sense but when you make this into a coupe which

BMW didn't even like heard it that it was like a secret like engineer team that

put this together and it wasn't even known throughout the company when they

did it back in the late 90s but like my point is is when you look at that car

like you said the silhouette everything about it is so unique that it's

impossible not to turn your head whether you are you're a car enthusiast or not

and be like what the fuck is that yeah yeah you know and it looks aggressive too

it looks more aggressive than the M Roadster has these big wide hips that

attach to the quarter panels and it just looks like like meaty and ready to go

you can tell it isn't just you know a dressed up hot hatchback it's more than

that right rear-wheel drive it's a six speed manual with a it should be five

speed five speed manual because it's the only so what BMW did was they kept the

six speed only for the E46 M3 they didn't want the E30 well this time this

car was essentially based on E36 right 90 it was late 90s then it got the S54

engine in 01 when the E46 came out right so it gave it the engine but it still had

the same look so they didn't carry over the the transmission because I believe

it's a it's a ZF transmission got it okay I see yeah that's the one I haven't

driven yeah unless unless the the coupe got a six speed which I doubt because

they didn't really change the transmission from my understanding it's

ZF but um yeah 01 02 got the S54 which bumped horsepower up to like 315 which

still was less than the E46 S54 engine they kind of watered it down just a

little bit want to compete with each other I'm sure they didn't want to

cannibalize sales but at the same time it's two different cars very the M3 was

is their flagship right yeah like I was saying the M3 is the flagship BMW the

the C63 is the flagship Mercedes and then obviously the RS4 at the time but

this car is there wasn't like the Audi TT never really had a version that could

compete with this right did did the SL ever have a version like on that time

like I don't really think there was a competitor amongst the top three

there's nothing quite like it because all of the hatchbacks from the time would

either be front wheel or all-wheel drive and I think that separates them just by

that alone right makes the clown shoe different yeah because this is only

it's a real real drag you'd expect it like you'd almost expect it to be like a

Golf R competitor but it's really not yeah you know so it really kind of is in

its own category so this is a 2000 esterel blue M coupe asking how much for

that one we're asking 33 okay so let's talk about the type of person I would

buy these cars yeah so let's start let's stay with the BMW right so you know this

is a I had the M roadster and a lot of people when I had the M roadster would

would automatically consider that car a hairdresser's car right it's a z3 you

know with you know concave wheels in the back and you know like haunches for rear

fenders you know it had the s52 motor in it from the e36 m3 so all those cool

factors but at the end of the day it's still a z3 which was essentially a

hairdresser's car right yeah james bond in golden eye like what that was the car

when the car came when the car came out it coincided with the movie and he drove

it in the movie but it never really took off as like a cool car for like a

BMW enthusiast ultimate driving machine car yeah you know there was a lot of

people driving that car that just graduated from a miata you know what I

mean so that's kind of the negative connotation that the z3 m roadster has

always had and I as an owner I kind of felt that especially like you know you

would talk to other enthusiasts and you can tell like oh like your car is cute

like it's not something they go crazy over right and a mine was an estero blue

which I do believe is the nicest color for at least an s52 version so when you

think about the coupe it erases all of that now it's an enthusiast spec car

absolutely right regardless of its stiffness and rigidity with the coupe

version and how you know it's probably gonna now handle better

besides that the look of it alone makes it an enthusiast car

definitely so who's buying this car car enthusiast right

the car didn't sell because simply nobody thought it was good looking when it

first came out right they thought the convertible was better looking because

you know I always say a car that is um and I learned this from Jay Leno a car

that has design language that is both feminine and masculine really usually do

really well right and the z3 m roadster is a feminine looking car but with a

masculine engine in it you know with the the performance you know the it says

BMW m performance on the engine right so it kind of tells you like okay I can now

buy this you know hairdresser's car and and still feel good about it right

so the coupe though I think is strictly like there's no women driving the coupe

you know what I mean like it's it's a masculine car right so as as an

enthusiast I look at that car and it just makes me want it that much more

you know yeah I think the type I want to even take it a step further I think the

type of person who buys it is specifically like a BMW enthusiast or

collector I don't think somebody who's just looking for a fun weekend

performance car that hasn't owned BMWs in the past definitely necessarily sees a

clown shoe and says like oh that's the one I think it's somebody who maybe they

had a e36 m3 at one point maybe they've owned other BMWs maybe they like the

BMWs that are you know smaller you know you could think like 2002 m2 obviously the

the clown shoe those kind of cars I think it's everybody who I've talked to who's

expressed interest in that car has been a BMW owner so you're a Mercedes guy you

see in that car it's the only one of the group you didn't drive obviously so you

can't really speak to it much but what do you think when you see it do you you

don't think the same like damn like I would love to own that car oh absolutely

I mean just me personally as you know I like like my weird quirky cars and the

clown shoe falls right into that I also like the recipe for the clown shoe in line

six manual transmission rear wheel drive short wheelbase small so even as a

Mercedes guy the clown shoe definitely has a strong appeal I also think it's a

good investment I think purchased right it could be a car that you drive for a

few years and you don't lose any money on you might even make a little bit of

money off it if you keep the miles low do the maintenance and you know keep the

car nice so I think there's a lot of different there's a big draw to that

car for a few different reasons but yeah I think the person who buys it it's not

I guess to answer your question more as a Mercedes enthusiast it's not a car

that I'm like oh I gotta have but I think that anybody can appreciate it yeah and

and to your point about it being an investment you're talking low production

still right so this car these cars they only made less than 3000 m coupes in the US right now if

you break it down from s52 and s54 they made more s52s because it was a longer production run

but I mean maybe by like one year I think was 99 2000 actually you know it was about two years

and two years because the s54 came in 01 but regardless rare right it's a manual now the s52

I would say is the more reliable engine of the of the two options so in this case the 2000s and I

have a s52 engine in it the same motor you'd find an e36 m3 I think it's about 220 horsepower

somewhere around there and from me as a owner of the roadster it was plenty power had a lot of

low end torque yeah you know and with with that you can feel like when you when you just do like a

0 to 60 with the s52 and s54 it's like a tenth of a second difference right it's when it goes like

higher in the power range is when you start to feel the difference but but the s52 engine was

plenty of power um and to have a car that looks quirky like that that you'll never see another

one on the road the same for $30,000 like that's a steal because it's gonna be nothing's gonna

ever look like it it's so unique and then not only that it's gonna have great driving dynamics

it's reliable and in the BMW world it's like one of the holy grail cars right so ours only has 62

thousand miles on it right so it's all the more reason it checks all the boxes for a car that's

gonna go up in value right obviously the rarity is there but sometimes rarity doesn't you know

correlate with values correct but a car like this it's a car that nobody bought when it was new

because of how it looked now people are starting to appreciate it for how it looks right so I think

100% it is an investment it will go up in value so the Mercedes so the Mercedes what type of buyer

because now this is technically a wagon not necessarily a hatchback right there's no seats

in the backseat of the M coupe right it's just like pretty much like the little cover for the

cargo area yeah exactly so tell me about the wagon what type of buyer would buy that I would say

somebody who wants an exciting daily driver who maybe doesn't have a long work commute who has

the money to do the regular maintenance on the car I think somebody who just wants to have something

that they can throw luggage into throw skis into pick their kids up from school in put on daily

driver duty but just have something more exciting than your typical crossover yeah I would I would

say that would be the buyer probably somebody a little bit older maybe when I say older I mean like

not early 20s yeah I guess someone who has kids by now and wants something fun still but isn't

going to go home and their wife is going to tell them to return it you know because they're going

to see what they pull up in the driveway they're like oh okay that's just it's a nice practical

Mercedes it's luxury it's it's it's probably quiet right not not the exhaust note when you get into

it but I mean like like there's sound dead material in this car you know what I mean it's not a track

car yeah and if you let your wife drive it she's going to fall in love with it probably more than

you are right so yeah I think you hit it right on the nose it's someone that is going to be a

little bit more older sophisticated maybe with children regardless it checks a lot of boxes

right there's not too many cars out there that you can enjoy as a car enthusiast and and scratch

that itch every single day but still be able to use it every single yes exactly and the the E 63 wagon

is one of those cars and it's special 153 units I mean that's it's beyond ultra low

yeah ultra low production yeah you think the clown shoes rare this is even rare so regardless

I mean whether it's 153 or 1053 whatever it's still a rare car that I look at and I see the

round headlights because when you look at the the w2 what is it the 211 right that body style with

round headlights I feel like in the 10 years ago I was I was like oh those are so ugly like it's so

old man Mercedes I hated it but now I look at it it's kind of like the clown shoe it's like oh wow

like I like the round headlights yeah it just looks cleaner looks typical quintessential Mercedes

it works I feel like it's pretty inoffensive that's how I look at it like it's not it's not very

polarizing there's people who don't like it who want you know one that's a little bit newer or a

little bit different but I don't think they really I don't think they really offend very many people

yeah okay so last one we wanted r8 so v10 gated yeah who's gonna buy who who do you think would buy

a r8 well that could go a couple different ways there could be somebody who buys that car that has

you know money for toys that wants their next track car just to leave it as is and bring it

to the track it could be somebody who kind of like Steve who we interviewed with the viper

who always wanted an r8 in their garage and now is the chance for them to get the one that checks

all the boxes manual v10 coupe red interior is cool it's gonna be somebody who also sees the

value in the r8 both as a budget supercar and as a potential future investment considering that you

know again this is the v10 it's the manual it's gonna weed out the people who just want to like

show off because if you just want to show off you can get an automatic v8 r8 for a spider for a lot

cheaper right this is going to be somebody who's a driving enthusiast yeah yeah that's a good point

I think when you look at all three cars right the Audi first and foremost the gated shifter

yeah you can technically get that in a v8 version right but it's the it's the holy grail of the r8

yes the coupe most people want a coupe not it's the picture in the dictionary next to the r8

right exactly so to me that this is the the one to get right it's it significantly more money

it's also significantly more money than the other two cars we talked about yeah right we're talking

different league like over a hundred thousand dollars right so different league but at the same

time it is special right and I think the car again another one of those cars that it's not that

nobody bought them when they were new right the production numbers are a little bit higher than

other cars we talked about because they were more desirable from the get-go yes right um one of the

I mean the last gated manual supercar I mean you can buy one today and you'll still have a modern

supercar that you can row gears in right and since that car came out you can't really say that of

anything else that fall that falls into the same category yeah you're 100 right um so that's an

excellent point it is a supercar right you look proper supercar yeah you look at it and there's

no denying that mm-hmm so the bends also I would say to me from a car enthusiast point is this a

holy grail of e63 AMG's naturally aspirated v8 right I feel like as time goes on people are

going to start to recognize like Jason Camis's video was no like he didn't put it out now because

it was just you know he happened to have those three cars he's pretty much proven a point that

naturally aspirated v8's is a thing of the past right no one's gonna ever do this anymore

right but at the same time this was like the glory days of the of the big german three

yeah right now people want naturally aspirated v8's because of the simple sound of that that car

makes right um yeah v6 can make a great sound sounding engine as well um but at the end of the

day like that's that's the holy grail right I in my opinion I think a v8 naturally aspirated

when AMG cars were you know before the bi-turbo and all that and even with reliability

yes that's another thing exactly so I think simplicity it's just simpler and everybody

who knows Mercedes knows that Mercedes makes a damn good naturally aspirated v8 so I think in the

future between the different models if we're going to compare the 6.3 twin turbo the naturally

aspirated 6.3 that we're talking about and the earlier supercharged 5.5s I think down the road

the 6.3 na is going to be the one that everybody wants to have yeah I agree I think it's an investment

as well getting this ain't if you were to buy this AMG wagon it is definitely an investment

not only because of how rare it is but because of that powertrain yeah in that in that platform

right so the BMW isn't the holy grail version because it's not the s54 and like let's say

laguna seca blue or they made mcoops even in like phoenix yellow some rare colors that are

super sought after but when you look at this particular model the reliability of the s52

I think the attractive part right because now yeah you have less horsepower but like I said

that low end torque is enough for you to feel like you're in a car that special it's not like

you're not going to drive it like you would drive a miata it's not going to feel slow right so yeah

you can ring it out I think up to like 7 000 rpms is I think the red line somewhere around there but

it's just a reliable car from the glory days of BMW right straight six naturally aspirated

right 3.2 liter this was an engine that you can comfortably put over 150 000 miles on and

not even think twice about it you know and that's special right yeah so that's why I think this is

also a good buy and a good investment because you're you're gonna still see them on the road in

15 20 years I mean people are gonna only drive them once in a blue yeah you're not gonna put

them any miles on them but it'll handle it yeah absolutely so we got like four minutes left any

any closing thoughts um well let me ask you this yeah ask which one of the three would you want

oh regardless of money r8 all the way okay r8 all the way that's easy even like as a Mercedes guy

particularly a Mercedes wagon guy I mean like come on like the r8 I love red interior I'm a

sucker for red interior with white paint I just think it's such a beautiful color combo

um the gated v10 um feel the sound of the v10 the shifter feel of the gated manual

just makes it like it makes it a dream car yeah even more than the wagon I would say this though

there will come a time because I don't know if the r8 is fully 100% depreciated yet I'm not positive

on that I can't say it's not it hasn't necessarily been it's right around the 15 year mark right so

like you always think of that bell curve like when it reaches its bottom right and it starts to

come back up again um I agree that that there's not going to be another you know Audi like that car

again um but at the same time the other two cars I could see eventually being worth over 100 grand

down the road in like the next 15 years possibly yeah I can see it and it's going to take a little

bit for people to recognize it also depends on which one too right like what kind of example

right of course the example of the car how clean how well taken care of it was

but we're talking well these examples are really clean right the ones that are for sale

the midnight it's like a midnight blue on the yeah it's called tanzanite blue metallic it's kind of

like an indigo color like an indigo metallic I'll post photos of the of the cars on the instagram page

so yeah so that wraps up awesome this week's episode great episode so I appreciate you coming

on Dylan to share what the um garage has for sale yeah until next week when we have maybe

perhaps some more cars for sale yeah we'll see hopefully how we can talk about so we'll see

you next week on the analog and grit podcast

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