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About this episode
Adam Rogash of MPW Performance drops into Oil & Whiskey with a mix of migraine-med ad copy, Aussie car-culture history, and serious drag-racing tech. He explains how LS swaps and turbo setups evolved in Australia, why regulations make “streetable” builds harder, and how his shop targets straight-line cars that can drive to the track. The conversation also tackles parts shortages, QC issues, and the modern hiring/work-ethic problem fueled by instant gratification. They wrap with Summonats USA plans, event culture, and a chaotic-airport rant.
Topics:
aesthetic
boost
Botox
Burble tune
burnout pad
burnouts
CAD gear
cam shaft
CNC's
crank triggers
Adam Rogash of MPW Performance joins the guys all the way from Australia to talk horsepower, car culture, and what makes the Aussie scene so different from the US.
From growing up influenced by American car culture to building one of Australia’s top performance shops, Adam breaks down where the obsession with big power comes from and why the rules (or lack of them) shape how cars get built across the world.
We get into MPW’s growth, building high-level cars in a smaller market, and what it takes to put together a solid team in today’s industry. Plus, everything he’s been up to while in the US, from tuning sessions to collabs with some of the biggest names in the performance world.
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Term
Botox
"Botox, Anabacha linem toxin A, prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. It's not for those with 14 or fewer headache days a month."
Botox is a medicine doctors can use to help prevent frequent migraines. It’s injected and can reduce how often headaches happen.
Botox is a brand name for botulinum toxin type A, used medically to prevent chronic migraine. It works by interfering with nerve signaling involved in headache pathways.
Concept
camshaft
"So, we will do everything from your basic camshaft at LSDL up to three and a half thousand plus horsepower street cars."
A camshaft controls when engine valves open and close, which strongly affects power, torque, and how the engine “feels” across the RPM range. In performance builds, camshaft choice is a major part of matching the engine to the intended use (street, drag, track).
Term
welding
"but they'll teach the basics of welding and metal craft and whatever. Enough to find out if you're interested in pursuing that path, I guess."
Welding is how you join two pieces of metal together so they become one. In car work, it’s used for making or repairing metal parts like brackets and exhaust pieces.
Welding is a fabrication process that joins metal parts by heating them (or using pressure) so they fuse. In automotive and performance work, it’s commonly used for exhaust fabrication, brackets, roll cages, and repairing metal structures.
Concept
racetrack
"No, I know. That is definitely where all of Bob Jane's old tires went to die underneath some dirt and turned it into a racetrack."
A racetrack is a place designed for cars to drive fast and safely. Here, they’re talking about a track that was made from/with old tires and dirt, kind of like a DIY racing setup.
A racetrack is a purpose-built (or repurposed) surface and layout designed for driving cars at speed. In this context, the speaker is describing how old tires were used to create or improve track conditions after being buried under dirt.
Concept
quarter mile
"We had a quarter mile marked out at the road. We'd all go out racing and stuff like that."
A quarter mile is a standard drag-racing distance. It’s basically a fixed straight stretch people race down to compare who’s faster.
A quarter mile is a common drag-racing distance (about 402 meters). When someone says they had a quarter mile marked out, it usually means they were doing informal or organized straight-line races over that set length.
Concept
Hot Rod Magazine
"So it's like Hot Rod Magazine, popular hot rodding. [514.2s] What kind of..."
Hot Rod Magazine is a car magazine that talks about hot rods and performance builds. People in the U.S. use it as a guide for what kinds of cars and modifications are popular.
Hot Rod Magazine is a long-running U.S. publication focused on hot rodding and American performance culture. It’s often used as a reference point for how enthusiasts build, modify, and celebrate cars.
Brand
Street Machine Magazine
"Yeah, and Street Machine Magazine was the thing growing up. [517.7s] So Street Machine Magazine has been around forever in Australia"
Street Machine Magazine is an Australian car magazine. The speaker is saying it was a big deal for learning about cars and trends while growing up.
Street Machine Magazine is an Australian automotive magazine with a strong focus on street-driven performance cars. In the transcript, it’s described as a prestigious, long-running publication that shaped the host’s car knowledge growing up.
Term
Haltech
"You run all this on standalone or either Haltech or FuelTech. No, so that was back in the day"
Haltech is an aftermarket computer for the engine. It helps the tuner control fuel and spark more precisely than the factory system, especially when you’re making big power.
Haltech is an aftermarket engine management brand used for standalone or piggyback-style control. In performance builds, it’s used to precisely manage fuel and ignition timing for high-power applications.
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low profile tires
"...big billet wheels and low profile tires. And like you're looking at that and you're like, it's, that's a crazy build."
Low-profile tires have less rubber on the sidewall, so the ride can feel firmer. They also don’t protect the wheel as well as taller tires.
Low-profile tires have shorter sidewalls, which typically sharpens steering response and helps the car feel more “planted.” The tradeoff is a harsher ride and less sidewall protection against potholes and curb impacts.
Company
MPW Performance
"Podcast: Oil & Whiskey Episode: Adam Rogash of MPW Performance [1124.8s] How did you get started?"
MPW Performance is the shop Adam runs. They’re talking about how the business started, how it grew, and what tools and people they use.
MPW Performance is the performance shop/brand Adam Rogash is associated with in this episode. The discussion centers on how the company grew and what capabilities it built to support its work.
Concept
CNC's
"[1152.7s] oh shit, we've kind of achieved something here. [1154.3s] We've got 1000 square meters of factory space [1156.4s] with our own CNC's and benders and folders"
CNCs are machines that use a computer to make parts very accurately. That means the shop can build custom pieces that fit better and are made consistently.
CNC machines are computer-controlled tools used to precisely cut or shape parts. In a performance shop, CNC capability helps with repeatability and tight tolerances for custom brackets, housings, and other fabricated components.
Company
CAD gear
"[1158.4s] and scanners and CAD gear and all that kind of gear, [1161.6s] which isn't that common over in Australia at the moment."
CAD tools let you design parts on a computer first. That way the shop can plan the shape and fitment before cutting or bending metal.
CAD (computer-aided design) tools are used to model parts digitally before they’re manufactured. For performance fabrication, CAD helps with fitment, packaging, and designing custom components that match the vehicle’s constraints.
Part
roll cages
"I've been working with Street Machine doing some builds for them, fabrication, roll cages, tuning, getting cars down the track type deal for their YouTube channel."
A roll cage is a metal safety frame inside the car. It helps protect you if the car flips or crashes hard.
A roll cage is a reinforced metal framework installed inside a car to protect occupants during rollovers and hard impacts. In performance builds, it’s also a key safety requirement for track use and some motorsports events.
Company
FuelTech FT 700
"[2243.8s] powered it with a FuelTech FT 700 [2246.3s] and made over 4000 out of it. [2248.5s] What rear suspensions that got?"
FuelTech FT 700 is the computer that runs the engine. On a turbo drag car, it helps control fuel and spark so the engine can make big power reliably.
FuelTech FT 700 is an aftermarket engine management system used to control fuel injection, ignition timing, and turbo-related parameters. On a high-boost drag build, the ECU is critical for making consistent power and keeping the engine safe under extreme loads.
Term
ECU
"It figures out how high it is, and we set it up in the ECU of over race time, how much lift you can have on that before it shuts you off."
The ECU is the car’s computer. It takes sensor readings and decides what the engine should do. In this case, it’s also used to limit how much lift you can have before the system shuts you down.
ECU stands for engine control unit (or electronic control unit). It’s the car’s computer that reads sensor inputs and controls functions like fuel, ignition, and—here—how traction and lift limits are enforced.
Term
spinning tires
"As soon as it starts getting over the plot, it normally means that we're spinning tires or whatever."
Spinning tires indicates excessive wheel slip, where the tires rotate faster than the vehicle’s actual traction allows. Traction control detects this condition and reduces power to restore grip.
Term
boost
"So we call a three step where we'll bring it up higher than what our launch RPM is to build boost and then it pulls it back down onto the two step. Once we make the boost that we want to make, because at 5,000 RPM, we're going to overpower the track."
Boost is the increased air pressure produced by a turbocharger or supercharger, allowing more oxygen into the engine for more power. In tuning, the timing of boost buildup is critical to avoid overwhelming traction or engine limits.
Term
traction game
"Radial, you're leaving more horsepower on the table ... right? Because it's a traction game."
A “traction game” means the tires and grip are the main challenge, not just horsepower. If the tires can’t hook up, you can’t use all the power.
Calling it a “traction game” means the limiting factor isn’t just engine power—it’s how effectively the tires can convert that power into forward motion. Tire choice, tire temperature, track prep, and setup determine how much horsepower you can actually use.
Concept
track prep
"[2707.6s] It's a track thing normally [2708.4s] because everything back home is prep for radial. [2716.3s] What's the difference on a track prep for radial?"
Track prep is what they do to the track surface before racing—basically making it stickier. That stickiness changes how well your tires can grab, which affects traction and stability when you accelerate.
Track prep refers to how the racing surface is conditioned before runs—cleaning, applying traction compounds (“glue”), and controlling how sticky the surface is. Better prep increases tire grip and can dramatically change how quickly a tire hooks up and how stable the car feels under power.
Term
deadwind
"[2734.3s] because it's hooking up that much faster. [2736.1s] It's trying to deadwind. [2737.1s] You need a slicker track for a big tire."
“Deadwind” sounds like slang for when the car isn’t getting the traction it needs. Instead of smoothly pulling forward, the tire can feel like it’s fighting the power.
“Deadwind” here appears to describe a tire/traction state where the tire is not effectively accelerating forward grip-wise, despite power being applied—often associated with traction instability. In drag-racing slang, it can imply the car is fighting the tire’s ability to stay planted.
Concept
you're paying for an education, not just a product
"And yeah, we've got a great customer base like that, but we do have a lot of the younger guys that we're still educating. And I always say to my customers, you're paying for an education, not just a product."
This frames performance work as knowledge transfer: customers learn what’s required to achieve their goals, including tradeoffs and constraints. It also implies that the shop’s value includes guidance on parts selection, sequencing, and realistic outcomes—not just installing components.
Concept
import duties
"They're great, but as soon as it gets shipped over, the taxes and the import duties and everything we have to pay on that absolutely kills you."
When parts are shipped into a country, the government often charges extra taxes for bringing them in. Those costs can make the parts way more expensive than you’d expect.
Import duties are taxes charged by a country when goods cross the border. For performance parts, these can quickly add up on top of shipping costs and can make sourcing harder and more expensive.
Term
super chargers
"We've got snowmobile races with big old super chargers. Getting my dates confused, I'm thinking about now."
A supercharger is a device that forces more air into the engine so it can make more power. They’re saying the snowmobile races use boosted engines.
A supercharger is a forced-induction device that increases engine air intake pressure, helping produce more power. In snowmobile racing, superchargers are often used to boost performance in cold-weather conditions.
Concept
burnouts
"It used to be where we did all the burnouts. That was the draw to the show. So good guys used to have a show in Indy at the drag strip..."
A burnout is when the car’s tires spin in place and make smoke. People do it for show at car meets and drag events, and sometimes to warm the tires for grip.
Burnouts are when a driver intentionally spins the tires to generate smoke and heat, usually to entertain crowds at car events. They’re also used to warm tires for better traction before a run, depending on the event rules.
Concept
dyno
"So when they're not doing burnouts, when they're not on the dyno, when they're not drag racing, they're driving around..."
A dyno is a machine that measures how much power a car makes. At events, cars may go on the dyno at certain times instead of racing nonstop.
A dyno (dynamometer) measures engine output by loading the car’s drivetrain and recording power and torque. At car festivals, dyno sessions are often scheduled so cars can be tested when they’re not racing or doing burnouts.
Concept
drag racing
"...when they're not on the dyno, when they're not drag racing, they're driving around... The drag racing's on when the burnout's on."
Drag racing is when cars race in a straight line to see who’s fastest over a short distance. At events, it’s usually scheduled in rounds so other activities can happen too.
Drag racing is timed acceleration competition, typically run in straight-line lanes with a start signal and finish timing. In car festivals, drag racing often runs in blocks that alternate with other attractions like burnouts and dyno sessions.
Concept
burnout pad
"The burnout pad was absolutely packed in standing room only. [3543.4s] It was really cool too."
A burnout pad is the designated area where drivers do burnouts to heat the tires and improve traction for the launch. It’s usually separate from the main track to manage smoke, tire debris, and safety.
Concept
EV
"[3756.7s] Yeah. [3756.9s] Not everybody enjoys EV Broncos. [3759.4s] Sorry to say, but I did notice that you got an EV Bronco down there."
EV just means “electric car.” Instead of burning gas, it uses electricity stored in a battery and you charge it.
EV stands for electric vehicle, meaning the car is powered by an electric motor and a battery instead of a gasoline engine. EVs can feel different in throttle response and require different charging habits than gas cars.
Term
loud car
"And you have a look at a lefty put a video up where they're, they're shit canning us for having a loud car driving down a main street or something like that."
They mean a car that’s louder than normal, usually because of the exhaust. If you drive it through busy streets, people notice and complain.
“Loud car” refers to increased exhaust noise or other sound sources from modifications. Noise complaints are common when cars are driven through residential or high-traffic areas, and they can lead to backlash on social media.
Term
Burble tune
"And the kids would, they call it the Burble tune. Yeah. Is that what they call it? Yeah. The Burble tune."
A burble tune is a modification that makes the car sound like it’s popping or crackling, especially when you lift off the gas. It’s done by changing how the engine is controlled and/or how the exhaust flows.
A “burble tune” is an aftermarket engine calibration (or exhaust-related setup) that makes the car pop and crackle on deceleration. It’s usually achieved by adjusting fuel cut/ignition timing and sometimes pairing it with an exhaust system that amplifies the sound.
Concept
aesthetic
"if you're modifying it, do it for the betterment or the improvement of that vehicle, either you're improving the aesthetic or you're improving the performance, right?"
“Aesthetic” means looks. The speaker is saying it’s okay to modify a vehicle if you’re improving how it looks, not just doing it randomly.
“Aesthetic” refers to visual appeal—how the vehicle looks. The speaker specifically mentions improving the aesthetic as one valid reason to modify a car, alongside improving performance.
Term
crank triggers
"Hey, this is how we set crank triggers up or this is how we do this."
Crank triggers are sensors that help the engine computer “know” where the engine is at any moment. If the signal is wrong or set up poorly, the computer can fire the spark at the wrong time. That can lead to misfires and rough running.
Crank triggers are the sensors/signals used to tell the ECU exactly where the crankshaft is in its rotation. Accurate crank trigger setup is critical for correct ignition timing and fuel injection; errors can cause misfires, rough running, or no-start conditions.
Term
rear ends
"Hey, this is how we set crank triggers up or this is how we do this. Hey, this is how we set rear ends up."
“Rear end” usually means the back axle and the parts that help the wheels move. People talk about setting it up so the car hooks up better and drives the way they want. The exact work depends on the car and what differential/gear setup it has.
“Rear ends” in this context likely refers to the rear axle assembly—commonly including the differential and related setup. In performance builds, rear-end setup can involve gear ratio selection, differential setup, and alignment/clearance considerations to improve traction and drivability.
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There's no one like you, and there never will be.
From the producer of Botanian Rhapsody,
Hey, I'm gonna be the king.
There are many legends.
I'm gonna be the king.
But there is only one.
Yeah, I'm gonna be the king.
Michael, ready PG-13 in theaters April 24.
But see, you guys are like,
hey, we wanna drive these 800 miles across the country
and have a heater because it's snowing here
and it's 80 degrees over there,
so we need aircon for that.
And yet half of our guys
that have blowers hanging above the roof are like,
fuck you, I just made it down the pub.
This is sick.
What does the horsepower obsession come from in Australia?
You guys can drive anything you want on the street,
which means that you're just happy driving
anything you can on the street.
We get told we can't do it.
What did you always do
when mum said that you couldn't have the cookies?
Like you always got cookies, right?
Yeah, so I think that's just us.
You cannot do this, and I'll fucking show you.
Where are you getting all that car culture from?
Like what are you reading?
There wasn't a whole lot back then.
It all come from magazines.
It all come from TV shows
and stuff like that,
mainly covered over here in the States.
Back then, if you had any knowledge
of the American culture or people over here,
you would've made it.
Like you were big back at home.
Australian stuff, even though you could read it.
It still makes sense.
There were so many things
that just didn't make sense.
Like it was just cars
that you had no frame of reference of,
a name that you've never heard of,
a body shape that you've never seen before,
and there's some similarities like,
that looks a little bit Ford-like.
Oh, that's that GTO-looking front end.
So that's, okay, hold in.
Oh, that's a nova.
Oh, it's not a nova.
What is it?
And there's some similarities in body shape
and all that kind of gear with you guys,
but completely different at the same time.
Welcome back to another episode of Oil and Whiskey.
This week we have Adam Rogash of MPW Performance
out of the continent of Australia.
That's the country.
The state is Victoria.
And the city.
And the city is Melbourne.
That's correct.
On the island.
On the island.
You are well-educated.
Yeah, it's almost like we just talked about it,
30 seconds before we started.
Adam, good to have you here.
You're over here for a lot of things.
You get the very first ever street.
Summonettes.
Summonettes in the U.S.
and you're doing some tuning on Zach Merton's car.
You came up here, you did a tour, you did a video
and now you're doing the podcast.
Correct.
I don't know how much more you can fit into one week.
Yeah, we're off to Steve Morris's tomorrow.
Got to do a bit of a collab with Steve
and then straight from there, I fly out to TX2K
with the boys from Motion Raceworks.
Cool.
So, lots going on.
Yeah.
Kick ass.
Well, glad you could come.
In person's always better as we say all the time
and we'll talk about your background
and how you got into this
and we'll talk about Summonettes
and we'll talk about the show this weekend
and the new announcements and we got a lot to talk about.
Yeah.
We're super excited for it.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
All right, so I have been into cars
as long as I can remember.
By the time I finished my trade
and everything started my jam,
there was nothing around really like it.
So, started building drag cars.
We now have a facility that we do everything
except for paint panel and trim.
So, we will do everything from your basic camshaft
at LSDL up to three and a half thousand
plus horsepower street cars.
Wow.
How does schooling work there?
I know we've had enough Aussies on the podcast
to know that you go to university.
Obviously, everybody goes to university.
There's no such thing as college, right?
Where Aussies, not many of us make it to university.
We normally drop out halfway through high school.
Yeah, you'll fit in quite nicely here then.
We'll get there eventually.
You will see where he lands in the program.
In high school though, is there trade programs?
Is there stuff for you to learn for this industry
in high school?
There's very basic trade programs.
I was lucky enough that I grew up in the country
which means that we were always fixing farm equipment
or mucking around with motorbikes
or had our own paddock bashes and all that kind of gear.
At school, there wasn't a huge amount of things to be learned
but they'll teach the basics of welding
and metal craft and whatever.
Enough to find out if you're interested
in pursuing that path, I guess.
Everything else comes afterwards.
How far out in the country did you grow up?
I wasn't too far out.
So, the closest city to me was Melbourne, I'll say city.
And that was three and a half hours away.
The closest town to me.
So, anything with some form of population
was 20 minutes down the road.
How far away is that from the Thunderdome?
The Thunderdome is on the edge of Melbourne.
Edge of Melbourne?
Yep.
It's a really interesting.
You thought it was a joke.
I did.
I thought that was fictional.
No, I know.
That is definitely where all of Bob Jane's old tires
went to die underneath some dirt
and turned it into a racetrack.
Okay, so you knew in high school
you were gonna do this for a living
or you just wanted to do it?
I, from the minute I could muck around with cars
and had the, I guess the ability to be able to do it,
it was either dirt bikes or cars.
And that's all I've ever been interested in.
What was the car scene like growing up there?
It's kind of completely new to us.
So, different style of cars.
Yeah, so where I was, as I say,
I was in a country town.
So, the car scene was good, but very minimal.
There was a town, oh, 35, 40 minutes
from where I grew up called Shepparton.
And that's where everyone went.
Every Friday night we had a lake
and there was a main strip
that everybody used to drive around
and we used to call it LAPS.
So, it would just be the same strip
everyone would drive down.
There would be 300 cars there.
It would be wild.
Everyone would be going at the road.
We had a quarter mile marked out at the road.
We'd all go out racing and stuff like that.
Back in the day of sex spec and stereos.
So, all airbrush cars, all that kind of gear,
shiny wheels, big stereos cruising around.
And that's kind of how we grew up
and that's where the passion come from for that year.
All of my mates wanted to own the cars.
I had more interested in building them.
This is like, what year was this?
Ah, what am I now?
I'm 39 at the moment.
So, that would be like 2002, 2003.
Yeah, it would have been something like that.
So, mini trucks big?
Mini trucks were just coming in for us at that point.
So, mini utes.
Yeah, but how many trucks are different than yours?
They are mini utes.
We didn't even have trucks back then.
Yeah, but you had like,
you had mini trucks, right?
You got the little...
We would have hyluxes and stuff like that.
We didn't have anything Silverado based,
nothing like that.
We had like the old, odd S10 or something like that.
Yeah, little small ones.
But yeah, they were very few and far between.
But there was bags and billet wheels and stuff like that.
It was only just coming in there.
Just coming in, okay.
Where are you getting all that car culture from?
Like, what are you reading?
That's just sort of pre...
Anything really existing on the internet.
I mean, the internet's obviously out there at that point,
but you had a few forums, you didn't have much.
Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot back then.
It all come from magazines.
It all come from TV shows
and stuff like that mainly covered over here in the States.
Back then, if you had any knowledge
of the American culture or people over here,
you would made it like you were big back at home.
And now, obviously, the internet's opened that up
to where we're all just one big family.
So it's like Hot Rod Magazine, popular hot rodding.
What kind of...
Yeah, and Street Machine Magazine was the thing growing up.
So Street Machine Magazine has been around forever in Australia
and they have been the most prestigious company,
I guess, growing up.
They were the ones that we used to buy every month.
We used to read back to front three times over
and you would remember all the cars that had been in them.
You would remember the cars that had been on the cover.
And now I'm lucky enough to work for them.
So...
I actually had a subscription way back in the day
for probably a couple of years.
It was crazy when it come in,
you had to turn it over to read it because it was upside down.
Like our toilets flushed the room right there.
I'm always surprised it's not in the format
of a tall, narrow menu to fit the giants in the charge modes.
Yeah.
The blower with the carbs and the...
It was great.
I remember it was probably mid 2000s
and through the rim shop and stuff like that.
I was trying to consume as much as you could,
trend-wise and style-wise,
especially when we were selling parts and wheels
and a lot from the UK and Germany and stuff on the VW side.
And then you get a lot of stuff from Japan
and there's option magazine and a bunch of stuff.
But all that stuff, you kind of figure out
even if you couldn't understand the dialect
in a lot of the language.
But Australian stuff, even though you could read it.
It still doesn't make sense.
There were so many things that just didn't make sense.
Like it was just cars that you had no frame of reference
of a name that you've never heard of,
a body shape that you've never seen before.
And there's some similarities,
like that looks a little bit Ford-like.
Oh, that's that GTO looking front end.
So that's, okay, hold in.
All right, so, but it was still, it was so much...
Crazy divide between the US car culture
and what we got from Australia.
We weren't fed a lot of that.
So there was nowhere to see it.
And then it was later in the mid-2000s,
you start seeing these cars, you're like,
is that a real car that things...
It's like a G8.
It was so...
Yeah, and then you guys started getting the G8s over here.
You got now, what did you guys call them?
Minaros over here, the two doors.
Oh, the GTOs.
You guys got them over here and there.
What are y'all, over there you had the,
what we would call a Taurus, a Ford Taurus,
but it's a four door, but it had a 50 V8 in it.
Well, that's a fucking SHO, dude.
I know.
That's a bad mother fucker right here in the US.
It's called something completely different,
but it looks like a Taurus.
What would the Ford would be holding?
It would have been a Falcon.
Falcon, okay, Falcon.
It's crazy you see some of those pop up
and you're looking and it's like not the rounded Taurus,
yeah, I remember that.
So that's the car I know because I was back in the air
like 2008 to 2012 that was when I used to go
into like Borders, Barnes & Noble,
and just cruise through the magazine rack
and I'd sit there for a day, grab a cup of coffee
and read about $400 worth of magazines
because I didn't want to buy them.
And there was some cool format super car type magazine
and there was one of those Falcons in there
and it was like a concept version of it.
And I pulled a lot of the inspiration
from that innovator Nova.
Oh, yeah, cause that car had some sick stuff on it.
It's funny, most Americans that we speak to,
they'll see like a HKTG, early Holden for us
and they'll go, oh, that's a Nova.
Oh, it's not a Nova.
What is it?
And there's some similarities in body shape
and all that kind of gear with you guys,
but completely different at the same time.
Yeah, it's a wildly.
What are the thought processes on that?
Why they're under, obviously share some manufacturing
and stuff, right?
Like why make the car look so different
for it's its own standalone company, right?
It's all completely.
A lot of them aren't like, there's a lot.
GM Australia was GM Australia.
Like we didn't have anything imported.
It's only been of recent times
that we have started bringing in Rams, Silverados,
both 1500 and 2500 and the GMC Yukon's.
They're the latest addition to it.
And we've got Tundra's coming over now as well.
Yeah, there was, we talked about it before.
It's like they had their own brand identity
and completely autonomous of each other.
There was some shareover, but like purposefully was,
no, we're building our car the way we want to build
our car for there.
Like you said, I mean, it would have been,
it would have made sense like.
It's a bit of an odd move.
Yeah, it wasn't until 2000, 99 or 2000
that we started getting the LS engine over.
And that was the very first introduction of the LS
over into the Australian car culture.
And when that happened, it was like,
we had all of these worked five liters
and the old Holden 355s and everything.
And you would have spent a packet on them
and a standard LS comes and wipes your ass.
Like it's, we were like, wow, these things.
A packet, that's a lot of money.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm lured into these terms.
And we're like, these things are gangster.
What are we going to do with these?
And then, and then you start putting a camshaft in them,
tuning them, they're making over 300 rear wheel kilowatts
and you're going, wow.
Where is that?
On the LS specifically, the LS swap stuff,
we can trace back some of the early pioneers
as companies wise in the US
that was really making some of that possible.
Are you getting that stuff from the US
because it's been kind of figured out here?
Is there pioneers over there
on figuring out the LS swap stuff?
Not just on the modification of a vehicle
that came with the LS,
but yanking that out and putting it into other stuff.
There's not many Australian cars
that I haven't put an LS in.
I've been doing it for a long time now.
We were running seven second quarter mole passes,
LS based over 10 years ago,
which is before anyone in Victoria,
the state that I live in was doing them.
There was another guy up in Queensland, Terry Sang,
that was very successful in early pioneering of LS drag stuff.
We took one to a guy named Johnny Pillar
at Powerhouse Engines.
And we worked in development with him
and very quickly worked out where cranks broke in half,
what happened, we burnt some shit up and figured it out.
And we went out and we were running 780s
before kind of anyone even cracked into that market.
And that was over 10 years ago now.
You run all this on standalone
or either Haltech or FuelTech.
No, so that was back in the day
we had just transferred over to Haltech for that.
So we used to use factory ECUs
and everything in them tuned in with HP tuners.
And then obviously EFI has come a long way since then.
So now we're either FuelTech or Haltech.
And I guess you just keep getting faster and faster
as you've got engine protection,
some more parameters to tune, some engine safety there.
Turbo or supercharger?
Turbos, hands down.
Where does the horsepower obsession come from in Australia?
Like that's from the outside looking in.
Your car culture is just nothing but massive horsepower.
Huge power adders, fast ass cars, crazy shit.
You guys can drive anything you want on the street,
which means that you're just happy driving
anything you can on the street.
We get told we can't do it.
What did you always do when mum said
that you couldn't have the cookies?
Like you always got cookies, right?
Yeah, so I think that's just us.
You cannot do this and I'll fucking show you.
Sam, you can't do it based on what,
like what regulation?
So we've got a lot of regulations.
Everything has to be engineered if we do a chassis swap.
So we get one of your chassis being
one of the best chassis that you can buy on the market, right?
You've done all of the testing,
you've done all the engineering on it,
comes over to us and our RTA still says,
those guys don't know shit, we need to twist test it
and you need to give us all of the parameters for it
because we don't believe what they've figured out themselves.
We try to put a set of brakes onto something
that is far surpass what the factory brakes were.
No, we don't believe that.
You've got a dual brake test.
You have to have all of this documented
and you cannot drive it on the street.
If you are caught driving it on the street,
it will be grounded at that point without being engineered.
So is the majority of the stuff in the car culture
over there and the stuff we're seeing
and the huge motors and all that,
not for street use, basically, the builds?
A lot of them are, some of them aren't.
All the burnout stuff, on street cars,
they're all just burnout cars.
Anything you see with big blowers hanging out,
kind of roof height and all that kind of gear,
they use them specifically for summer gnats
and events like that.
Anything turboed, under bonnet, kind of sleep-ish stuff.
We want to drive them on the street.
Like, that's what we think is cool,
is having something that can run mid-second passes,
yet you finish up, you drive down and get a coffee
or drive to the pub after it.
Wow, it is interesting that, like you said,
there's being told that you can't.
I mean, it seems like quite the statement to the...
Sort of the mother of invention.
Uninformed, yeah, it's just saying you can't do it.
But, I mean, coming from America and the U.S.,
it's so steeped in horsepower and horsepower creation
and what we do, it sounds kind of funny statement,
it's saying, what's your obsession with horsepower?
But if anybody that's followed the Australian scene
for so long, it's visually,
and just the way those cars are built,
it is predominantly around the engine, right?
The jewelry box and showcasing that engine blower,
on top of blower, on top of blower,
like you're talking about, and then low.
I remember that the craze for,
this was probably 10 years ago,
it was on the ground.
Like we are kind of our version of Pro Street, right?
On the ground, motor stacked blower,
bug catcher above the roof line,
and then big billet wheels and low profile tires.
And like you're looking at that and you're like,
it's, that's a crazy build.
However, there's some things that don't exactly go together
on making the thing do what it's supposed to do.
But great show car.
But see, you guys are like,
hey, we want to drive these 800 miles across the country
and have a heater because it's snowing here
and it's 80 degrees over there.
So we need air con for that.
And yet half of our guys that have blowers hanging
above the roof are like,
fuck you, I just made it down the pub, this is sick.
I got the win.
That makes sense.
Sort of like the OG car show mentality.
Like if it just makes it through the fucking award ceremony.
If you feel like you're doing something naughty, it's fun.
Yeah.
When did the shop kick off?
How did you get started?
How did you take the leap of saying,
you know what, I could make a living doing this?
Well, I never knew how the shop kicked off
or how I was so successful early days.
And now I've just realized there was no spectrum back then.
But I'm sure I would have been on one of them if there was.
I just, I've always had a saying, people can out talk you.
It's when they can outwork you that you have an issue.
So I just kept working, just head down ass up.
And it wasn't until recently that I looked back and went,
oh shit, we've kind of achieved something here.
I've got an awesome crew over there.
We've got 1000 square meters of factory space
with our own CNC's and benders and folders
and scanners and CAD gear and all that kind of gear,
which isn't that common over in Australia at the moment.
So we've been innovating in those ways.
I guess the quality of work has really helped.
Social media is a great tool when you're doing the right things.
And the shop has just progressively grown from there.
What's the hiring situation like over there?
Sucks.
Okay.
Sucks. Very hard to find good tradesmen.
When you do find a good tradesman,
they've normally got a bad attitude
and that all of the really good ones they're taken
because their bosses don't want to lose them
or they've got a successful shop themselves.
As you said, we're a small island versus you guys.
So trying to find anybody that is that good is very hard.
I'm lucky enough that I have a great crew of 10 guys
and all of them want to be there.
They're all looked after very well
and they're all awesome tradesmen.
That's interesting to hear.
I mean, it sounds like this is sort of a worldwide pandemic.
Like it's an issue on the other side of the world.
It's identical.
And I mean, just trying to staff anything so difficult.
People just have to have the right agenda, I think.
People have to be happy.
Like we were talking to your guys before
and it was great to hear that
I just want to be better than I was yesterday.
Like he doesn't want to be on camera.
He doesn't want to be out here telling you guys
how to run your show.
He doesn't want to be the guy that, oh, this guy from there.
He just, he's happy to be better than he was yesterday
and be part of the process of doing it.
Talking to all of Garrett Mitchell's boys
or Cletus's boys up at the Freedom Factory.
They all just said, we're just happy to be part of it.
We are just happy to support that guy and his kicking goals
and the better he does, the better we do.
And I've got a crew now who are very supportive
of everything MPW does, whether it be as a person myself
or whether it be as a company.
And I think your question of when did we start
getting successful, when we got that culture
within the workshop, the shot come leaps and bounds.
And not only that, but the want to be in the shop.
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We talked about this on the hiring side
and you're talking about it as well.
It's a pandemic, so to speak, across the world.
And we've talked about it specifically in this industry
and hiring at this shop and with other people on this podcast.
And you've talked about the younger generation
and the want it now mentality and like,
well, some of them, if they want to do this for a living.
But I'm wondering if it's, is this just in general,
nobody really wants to work as hard as it takes
to get where they want to be,
irregardless of the craft that they choose,
or is this specific to trades and working with your hands?
I think that's part of it.
I think it's the instant gratification
that social media and the internet
and just everything in our culture has given us.
That now gets like applied to the career.
We didn't have that.
So like you busted your fucking ass
and you honed your craft and you just kept getting better
and better and better and better.
And you didn't know because like,
you read the metal shapers handbook, right?
That doesn't inspire you to be like,
dude, this fucking guy, like you weren't looking
at Ron Fornie in the metal shapers handbook
as being this dude who was a success story overnight
and has like cool tattoos and all these fucking chicks
and like a shit ton of money and drives a sports car.
Like he was an old like craftsman
and you just put the work in and you put the work in,
you put the work in like the perception
of what it takes to do it now.
It looks easy, it looks fast.
And I think when people realize it doesn't happen easily
and it doesn't happen fast, they get discouraged.
I think that's-
One of our things in everything that we push forwards
on whether it be social media, television, YouTube,
whatever we're doing on our productions
is we want everyone to see the time that is involved,
the time that goes into it.
Like we're talking to your guys who are spending
anywhere between five and 800 hours to color sand a car.
People don't realize that that is how long they spent
on the paint work at the start.
So you're now paying for a whole nother paint job
on top of a paint job to get it to this quality.
And then they take it to Jeffrey down the road
who they've paid $2,500 to paint it.
And then they go and shit candy him all over social media
and go, he's done a shit job, it's got orange peel in it.
But they don't actually know how things work
because all of these TV channels don't tell them that.
They don't turn around and say,
oh, we did this in 45 minutes,
but it's been in a shop for 12 months, 18 months, two years.
And they've spent 1,000 hours, 1500 hours on metal work on it.
And then they've gone and spent another 1,000 hours
on paint and body on it.
Then they've gone and spent another 600 hours
on color sanding it and the car's not even together yet.
It's still in boxes.
Well, I mean, my daughter's coming up to be graduating
in college and she's moving into a job
and looking at what that's like.
And she's talking about friends
and I've talked to some other friends
that were hiring in other industries.
And it is interesting that it's not just a work
with your hands thing, it's not just a trades thing,
it's not just a blue collar deal.
It's any job when somebody's coming in,
their expectations and how fast they want to move
to where they think they need to be is so warped.
And it's not directly because of the workforce,
it's because of how they grew up
and never having to wait on anything.
There's people coming in, they're like,
okay, so if I get hired this,
how fast until I'm managing all of those people?
We haven't even hired you yet, right?
You're 19, right?
Let's not talk about management of anybody, right?
You need to manage to get here
and then we'll talk about that.
But you think about, I'm just like in my mind,
think about the things that we had to wait on
that people take for granted, right?
We had to wait for pictures to be developed.
You would take pictures and you have to go
and get them developed.
You're going a different direction.
I was thinking the same thing, I'm like, did I remember it?
Four hours, four hours till it just got
to the crest of the boob, let alone all the way to the thing,
right?
We say that about dial-up internet.
You don't even know what you were touching yourself over
and it turns out to be some dude's elbow
once you finally like, clears up.
Our kids will never know what this is about.
I mean, a new movie, a new movie comes out.
You'd have to wait for the VHS to be in stock to rent it.
A new CD drop, you would have to wait for it
to be out there to think.
Now, you don't wait for anything.
There was also consequences of not dropping the movie
back to the hiring place as well.
Whereas now, the kids just, anytime they want,
bang, they're casting it on whatever they want to do.
They trip over something and their mom says,
oh, you're so special.
That's the best trip I've ever seen.
Instead of going, what were you fucking walking?
I would have got a slap on the back of the head
for that when I was younger.
I guess that's why we want to be better every day.
Whereas we have people start with this,
who go, oh, so when am I tuning cars?
You're not tuning cars.
Like you're a first-year apprentice.
No, no, my mom said.
And then you go, hey, go empty the bins or whatever.
Their parents call you and go,
oh, my son doesn't have to clean the floors.
He doesn't have to empty the bins.
They're going, love, I own the place
and I clean the toilets.
I'll get over it.
Yeah, there was a big shift there.
I forget, we had a kid that got rid of me.
He was just cleaning the shop and stuff.
Started off just, you know, no skill set
and thought maybe you could groom this kid
and create something out of him.
And I mean, he's a fucking kid.
I had no work ethic.
He couldn't get anywhere with them.
We ended up firing him.
And the dad came in, you remember that?
And he was like, you're like bitching at us.
And you're like, dude, what the fuck?
Like, you're the one that fucked up.
Like if you straighten that out at home,
this would be a different conversation.
There's a bond line between being their friend
and teaching them to be a good human.
Like your job is to teach them to be a good human.
And work ethic is one of those things
that they can't learn after a certain age.
Yeah, and that was, I mean, again, opportunity
for the dad to probably step in
and that could have been a learning experience.
But he didn't use it as a learning experience.
He used it as an enabler, you know, same thing.
It's like he tripped, kid tripped.
And he said, great trip.
Good job tripping.
Hey, you fucking tripped, dude.
Yeah, do better.
You wouldn't have gotten fired if you were doing better.
And then there's a silver lining.
There's always one kid that comes in
and it sounds really sad,
but he empties a bin without being asked.
And you go, fuck, these kids all right.
And then you think back 10 years and you go,
hey, aren't you just empty to bin?
Why am I so proud of this kid at the moment?
It doesn't take much to stand here these days.
Hey, we've got one kid, Andy's son,
who, one of the guys in the chassis shop
is a great fabricator.
And he started bringing his son in in the summertime,
sort of part-time, he's, what, he's 15 maybe?
No, 16, 16 or 17.
I mean, this kid, just a polite,
and this kid just fucking works his ass off.
Nobody tells him, like, you don't have to tell him
to take out the garbage or what to do
or like sweep this or do this or go back and clean this.
Like this kid is hustling
and he is dirty at the end of the day and exhausted, you know?
And he's gonna do whatever it is he's doing.
He's gonna do it at 100% plus.
I remember last summer, I came in there
of the shop bathroom, the worst one, right?
That's over here.
And underneath the hand dryer, you know,
that tile, how dark it is.
I came in and he was wiping all the tile,
but then he was getting the grout with a toothbrush,
cleaning the grout and whatever.
And I came in, I was like, dude, come on.
I said, you don't have to do it that way.
He's like, no, my dad said, don't stop until it's clean.
And I was like, well, then don't let me stand in the way.
Like, hey, and he's like, it's actually coming clean.
It just takes a little bit of elbow grease.
And that was his mentality.
Like, I'm gonna start this.
I'm not just gonna wipe at it.
I'm gonna clean it.
I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna clean it.
Yeah, the result of that though,
like that kid's gonna do something.
Oh, he's gonna go places.
Now anyone who's listening to this, correct me if I'm wrong,
this is the day and age to grab it by the balls
and run with it because you do it here than ever.
You have all these kids around you.
You have all these other people
and it's not just kids, it's young adults around you
who got paid this money over COVID
to sit on their ass and do nothing.
And that's the mentality of the world these days.
You can run with it.
You can make something of yourself
and stand out just by working hard.
You really can.
You know, in our shop, we've got,
we have a number of guys who are at the top right now
that started at this company, sweeping floors,
building crates at the absolute bottom.
And to their credit, it was tough back then
because there was a lot of other younger kids
working fucking hard too.
Like there was some competition.
Nowadays, like you said, that's a great point.
Now this is, there has been no time like the present
to come in and grab it by the balls
and kick its fucking ass
and just ride it to the top.
It's never been easier regardless of your talent
or your education or whatever it is.
It's never been easier to exactly the thing
that these kids want is to rise to the top fast.
It's never been easier of just show up,
do what you say you're gonna do,
and do it to a hundred percent every, every single time.
Use your ears more than your mouth.
And, and you're gonna succeed.
Yeah.
I was telling my daughter,
we were talking with a couple of friends, whatever.
And you know, she's asking, she's like,
well, you know, I could get these qualifications to do this.
I said, look, all that, you've done the college thing.
That shit's over with.
At this point in time, show up,
return somebody's phone call,
be there at time for the interview,
and then show up the day you say you're gonna start,
and then don't ask for vacation the first six months.
And then don't ask for anything.
Just keep doing what you're doing.
And don't ask for vacations in the interview.
Either one.
We've had that before as well.
I promise you, you're going to absolutely rise
to the top so fast.
She's like, well, that's just, that's easy stuff.
I'm like, I'm telling you, it's not that easy.
Just do that.
I promise, just do that.
Common sense, he's not that common.
We just, my son was going in for his first summer job.
He's 14, he was trying to get a job
at a local ice cream place.
And I figured, all right.
That's dangerous.
We'll let him do it.
He's getting high off his own support.
I know.
But you get to deal with people sort of.
So did he get the job, though?
Do we have ice cream, though?
He hasn't gotten the job.
But my wife was trying to tell,
she didn't sit him down.
I didn't know that this is what they were putting together.
So she didn't sit him down
to give him any sort of real advice,
but I overhear that this is happening.
And she's telling him, okay, well, make sure you tell him
that you're going to be out of town for this
and that you do this.
And then I'm like, what's going on?
Oh, what are we talking about?
He's not getting that job.
Yeah, so I said, that is the last fucking thing you say.
I said, even, look, dude, I'm going to shoot you straight.
We're going to sit down and we're at a long talk.
And we ran through an interview.
I made a resume with him.
And I told him exactly how to conduct himself.
And I'm like, dude, you know,
I didn't want to give him the advice of being like,
you know, you got to like sometimes not tell the truth,
the truth, but like,
dude, you don't go into an interview and say that.
So I know that we're going to go
on a vacation this summer, right?
Don't let, don't open the conversation with that
in your interview.
Like, do not.
And Lindsey's like, but, but he's got to tell it.
Like we're going out of a,
we'll work through that when the time comes, right?
But yeah, if you tell them that from the get go,
you don't have to worry about it all
because you're not getting the fucking job.
I'm still with Phil though at the ice cream place.
Like that's, yeah.
So how much did you make this week?
Well, here's the thing is,
his son's a ice cream connoisseur.
So from stories I've heard,
I'm just looking at three guys in a room now going.
So when's he old enough to start working in a liquor store?
Yeah, I don't know.
That would be good either.
Fortunately, we haven't gotten there with him yet.
He's late bloomer.
All right, it's where we're going.
Oh, so the shop's doing great.
When does the whole Summonats thing come in?
How does that happen?
So I was lucky enough.
I've been working with Summonats or Street Machine.
They're sister companies.
I've been working with Street Machine doing some builds
for them, fabrication, roll cages,
tuning, getting cars down the track type deal
for their YouTube channel.
Now Street Machine had a workshop
and that workshop was sold.
So they were just leasing that space.
And they did the math on what it was to keep it going
and all that kind of gear and they decided
to pull the pin on it.
They approached me about taking over that channel
and I said to them,
look, I think that we changed the name of it
and it just goes to Street Machine TV,
which ties in with the rest of their footage.
So what we've done is we've worked out a deal
and we've moved their workshop into the corner of mine
and we've set up a dedicated space which we film in
and we do the builds and we do all the tech stuff
and all that kind of gear and we can get the race cars out
and race them and kind of bring everyone along
for the ride.
Not only that, I go and crew on top fuel teams.
I come to things like this, we go to Summonats.
I've done the dyno at Summonats Australia for 10 years now,
which Evolution's got further and further,
which we'll go into.
So I've been lucky enough to come along this ride now
and it's just opened up a whole another pathway in my career
that I guess you get stale sometimes.
I'm lucky enough that I didn't get stale,
but there wasn't a whole lot that I hadn't done
and now it's just opening doors to a whole new pathway for me.
So feeling pretty humble at this point about what I get to do.
That's awesome.
On the shop side, on your split between your customer base,
how many are, these are full blown drag cars
and how many are like, this is a street car,
I wanna be a little faster.
Everything we do is a straight car.
When I say that, like we do a couple of double frame rail things
and stuff like that, but that's for our big customers
that have normally come through street cars
and that's because I like to push the envelope.
As far as street cars go, that is what we specialise in.
So anything from your nine second street car to drive
to the track on pump fuel or E85, run a number,
put your kids back in at drive home,
down to drag and drive stuff that's running mid sixes consecutively
and towing trailers around the countryside.
So we're on the only one in Australia
who's won our drag and drive twice
in two different vehicles.
So I've won it in my VK Commodore.
I won the weekend version in my VK Commodore,
which is a two and a half thousand horsepower LS based twin turbo
four door mid eighties Commodore.
And I've won it and still got the lowest average ever ran
in the week version in my Ford Capri,
which is a 1969 Mark one Ford Capri,
which I don't think you guys got over here.
Basically a Pomi Fox body, a hundred inch wheelbase steel
and we shoehorned, you would have seen it on Merton's channel
and all the boys from Hoonigan and Gary or blue one.
Yeah. Yeah.
And Gary gave it a free rev to about 11,500 RPM one day.
And don't let Gary in your car, guys.
And yeah.
So we shoehorned a 596 cube big block
with twin 98 mil turbos into that,
powered it with a FuelTech FT 700
and made over 4000 out of it.
What rear suspensions that got?
That's got one of our rear clips in it
with some AFCO six inch travel shocks
and four link with a short top arm.
So it's good for kind of no prep
and instant separation on the line.
That's a short wheelbase with a lot of power.
Have you seen the videos of how short that wheelbase is
when all four wheels are off the ground?
You have to drive over the wheel.
So we've got a thing, a short wheelbase.
We say you've got to drive over a wheel stand.
You can't drive into it.
So if you come out of the hole
and you haven't hit it hard enough,
you're always going to drive into a wheel stand
as you try to apply power
because your rear end's already separated,
but you're now driving up on the back tire.
Whereas if you can have the rear end come up
while the front's trying to come up,
it dives it back into the ground.
You've got the power in it at that point.
And if you're lucky, it stays down.
If you're not lucky at a thousand foot,
your laser ride height shuts you out
and you wonder what happened,
and it's happened a few times.
So we get 14 inches off the deck
and our laser ride height shuts the car off.
And we've had that happen at a thousand foot
in at 200 mile an hour before.
That's to keep it from slamming.
Yeah, well, that's to keep it from getting air ball in, yeah.
That's a laser or?
It's a laser, yeah.
Yeah, it's just like a Bano laser sensor.
It faces straight at the ground and just off of it.
Proximity there.
Correct, yeah, just off the resistance.
It figures out how high it is,
and we set it up in the ECU of over race time,
how much lift you can have on that before it shuts you off.
You run a traction control on all these, do we?
We have been now, yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, so different traction control
than what U Street car guys are used to.
Like you'll go front wheel speed over rear wheel speed
and set it up that way.
Whereas we normally go on a race track,
we'll go drive shaft RPM over race time.
So at this point in the track,
we want this much drive shaft RPM to go this fast.
We'll pull up another plot on that track
that we've gone down before and we'll make it chase a plot.
As soon as it starts getting over the plot,
it normally means that we're spinning tires or whatever.
We'll use timing to control that power
and pull it back down onto the plot and drive along it.
What if you're not spinning tires
and you're actually just moving that much faster?
Then you just move the plot up.
Gotcha.
Until you're spinning tires.
You just move the plot up
and you keep chasing the plot.
Look, if we're over the plot the whole way
and we've got 10 degrees of timing out of the deal,
then we know that the track's there and the air's good
and on the same boost, we're going to go fast.
So we can start lifting the plot at that point and...
Yeah, chase it.
Ride it.
Computer game has just changed the drag race world, right?
100%.
100% boost control.
Your tuner is probably more important
than your driver at this point.
Yeah, 100%.
100%. I do both in that car.
I do both in a lot of the cars that I build
and you're just a passenger at the end of the day.
We've got gear shift via race time and RPM.
We've got all of our three steps.
So we call a three step where we'll bring it up higher
than what our launch RPM is to build boost
and then it pulls it back down onto the two step.
Once we make the boost that we want to make,
because at 5,000 RPM, we're going to overpower the track.
At 38, we're going to have a nice dig.
So we'll pull it back down at that point.
As soon as you see it come back down to that,
you let go of the button and you point it in the right direction
and hopefully make it to the other end and pull it through.
Is there anything on pitch and yaw on pulling power?
Yeah, so we can tune over G meters as well.
And that's one tool that we use a lot to tune with.
So we'll be able to notice when it's at the edge
of knocking a tire off.
So you're saying about the plot and how do you know
when you're just overpowering it or turning tires.
So as soon as you start to turn a tire,
your G meter will show that before anything else.
So we can see whether it's doing that.
If it comes up and it's trying to hold steady Gs,
then we know that we're not turning a tire.
It's just we're on that plot
and we can go much faster on that track.
We use a lot of pinion.
So many different.
We use a lot of pinion angle things.
So with a slick tire or a big tire
or like a 10 and a half,
we will go say one degree down pinion angle.
And we'll use that because we don't really want to separate
the rear suspension.
We want to travel up and weight transfer from the front
of the car over the back.
So we'll run underneath 100% any squat.
Now, you guys will understand any squat is bottom
of your rear tire to basically your camshaft in a V8.
And anything underneath that line is under 100% any squat.
That line is 100% anything over 100.
So whereas with a radial car,
we'll go four degrees down on a pinion angle
because we want it as it turns that pinion,
we want it to separate that rear end
and push that diff into the ground
and get as much separation as we can early
because that's how we slam the radial into the ground,
keep the front down and drive out
and we're anywhere up to 230% any squat.
So big difference with how we're setting radial
up versus slick.
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That's nuts.
How much time are you spending
testing to and on that track to get it dialed in?
Oh, depending on the car, some of them work, some don't.
Some of them will go out to eight days of testing
and come back and put it to where we started
and go, oh, shit, it works now. We just had a bad day.
Others, you will just go out and,
from the testing that we've done on other vehicles,
they'll just be under 110s in the 60
and they'll start going fast.
What's harder?
Getting way faster on big tire with traction
or radial tire?
Depending on track surface.
If it's a radial prep track and you're on a big tire,
you're probably going to own no teeth by the end of the weekend
because the tire shake is so violent
that it's knocking your teeth and bearings
and everything out of the car.
And if your lack of control is anything like mine,
you try and drive through the tire shake,
which breaks a lot of shit, which most people do.
But if we've got really good prep,
I enjoy racing radial for how smooth it is.
You've got one hand on the wheel
and you're normally just heading down a track.
You will come unstuck at some points and whatever,
but a big tire, you are driving that car.
So by the time you get wheel speed on the hit and leave,
so for anyone who doesn't understand,
a radial is dead hooked the whole way down the track.
Whereas a big tire, we are doing a controlled burnout
for the whole time we're driving it.
So we've got wheel speed from the start
and we want to control that wheel speed as we come down,
which means that you are floating
and you're driving that car down the track.
So I think to get rowdy and the fun aspect,
I really enjoy racing a big tire
because you get out of the car with a buzz every time.
To go proper fast, I think radial's where it's at now.
As long as you've got the track prep
and the guys who can get that surface right,
I think radial's where it's at.
Radial, you're leaving more horsepower on the table
that you're not using, so to speak, right?
Because it's a traction game.
I've had more horsepower in the stuff that we build
with a radial than I have with a big tire.
Really?
Because we run into tire shake issues
and that's the problem.
You start to overpower or...
Is that a tire thing or a track thing?
It's a track thing normally
because everything back home is prep for radial.
So yeah, it's just...
It's tight.
Yeah.
What's the difference on a track prep for radial?
The glue that they use,
the amount of rubber that's on the surface,
how they drag it, how they prep it,
it's way tighter and stickier for a radial
than it is for a big tire.
So you're going to have...
You're more apt to shake a tire
because it's hooking up that much faster.
It's trying to deadwind.
You need a slicker track for a big tire.
Correct.
So it's trying to hook up and you're trying to drive through it.
Yeah.
And we just keep...
It's just popping over every time.
And we just keep putting power in it
to try and get enough wheel speed
because sometimes it sounds silly,
but you need to apply more power
to break that traction.
To break the traction.
To get through.
But then the problem is you'll end up finding
stickier parts of the track
and it'll hook and you just get out of shape.
I can't imagine tire shake,
like mid-track,
when you find a stickier spot.
Down.
Yeah, we've definitely had that.
We've definitely had that before.
Yeah, that'll break some parts, man.
Definitely break some parts.
Yeah.
What's your...
I've noticed some of these are weird questions.
I'm trying to learn a lot more about that scene
in your day-to-day.
Our customers are kind of all over the place,
but you could over-generalize what, you know,
kind of our customer looks like and's into
and where they've gotten in life
and the things that they're into,
that they're spending money on.
What are...
What's your core customer, guys?
What age group, demographic?
The opposite to yours.
I haven't met your customers
and I believe that your customers
would be successful guys, business owners,
people who have made mistakes in life
and gone,
I didn't enjoy that or I didn't like that
or I tried saving a dollar there
and it cost me more.
I just want these guys to do this right
and this is my end outcome
and I'm going to make more money
doing what I do for a living
than what I am trying to build my own car.
I'm going to take it to these guys.
Am I right?
Yeah, pretty good.
My customers try to fuck with everything themselves
to start off with.
Okay.
And then they realize, oh, maybe I can't.
These are normally some of my better customers.
After they fuck some stuff up,
they're probably great.
After they fuck it up, they go,
do you want to have a go?
And then you get it right
and they go, oh, it's really not that easy.
But our guys are mainly younger guys.
All of our big builds,
when I say big builds,
I mean like full ground up stuff,
full engine conversions,
3,000 plus horsepower deals,
all that kind of stuff,
normally business owners who have a plan in mind
and have the ability to be able to do it
and understand where time and money is spent.
And yeah, we've got a great customer base like that,
but we do have a lot of the younger guys
that we're still educating.
And I always say to my customers,
you're paying for an education,
not just a product.
So as long as I'm sitting there telling them
what we're doing and why we're doing it,
if they go down the road to someone else
and they go, no, he's doing it wrong,
he doesn't know what he's doing,
and they take that advice,
well, you're no longer my customer.
So we just have to be strict like that
because there's so much,
everyone does things differently.
Have you ever looked on that topic,
have you ever looked at anybody else's tune
and been like, wow, he got it, right?
Yeah, I have.
Yeah, there is.
We've got the running inside joke
that no tuner can look at anybody.
It's night and day different on every single tune.
Everyone's wrong,
but they all still make pretty similar horsepower.
Yeah, we all say there's more than one way
to castrate a cat.
As long as you don't get scratched at the end of it,
you're doing it right.
Wow, put that up there with that.
Wasn't that Kyle dropped on you there?
You don't always have to agree with the path
that someone takes to get there,
but you can't argue with the outcome if it's right.
Yeah.
And I think that makes a good tuner
or anyone good in our industry
is we have to be happy for other people's
way of doing things as well.
It doesn't mean that we're going to adopt it,
but we also have to accept it and go,
well, they're kicking goals.
They're doing well.
Yeah.
Well, because you've got to be results driven,
not just processed.
Yeah, and we've also seen enough shit stuff in our lives
to go, well, that guy's not shit.
What do you think is one of the biggest challenges
that you have to deal with,
you guys have to deal with over there being in Australia
that we may take for granted over here, parts.
Parts, hands down.
That was fast.
Parts and shipping costs.
The cost of fuel now.
You guys get tariffed.
We get three times that over on our end
because we cop it on the shipping.
We cop it on what you guys are getting charged.
None of us are making any more money.
We're losing it, if anything,
but the customer is paying twice as much.
Supply time with things,
especially when it comes down to Mickey Thompson tires,
dart blocks, read cases.
Like we just find that stuff super hard to get.
Give any big distributors that are trying to
circumvent that and stock things?
We do, but the problem is,
they all go offshore to get things made,
which means that the quality isn't quite as good
as what we were originally getting,
which is a massive problem.
I was talking to a guy the other day
and even down to certain brands of timing chain sets,
you have a look and they don't fit on the gear properly
or they're machined out of round.
So you've got a tight spot on the timing chain
as you're turning it over.
We never used to see those things back in the day.
The quality control is going out the window.
But for us trying to get parts over in Australia is super hard.
You deal with some of that?
We do to a certain degree,
but even trying to get parts off those guys.
They're great, but as soon as it gets shipped over,
the taxes and the import duties and everything we have to pay
on that absolutely kills you.
And then customs hold it.
We've got to do, I deal a lot with Dusty and the boys from PTC
and we order a torque converter off of PTC
or Mark Mickey or whoever and we get phone calls and emails.
Oh, we've got your part in customs and we've held it
because you haven't filled out your asbestos declaration.
And we're like, where is asbestos used in an all metal product?
Oh, no, now you've got to pay this duty,
but we've got a free trade agreement with America.
Oh, but proved that it's made in America.
So just give us some money so you can come get it.
That's all it is.
And you just can't work around it,
which means that, yeah, it ends up being super expensive
to get parts over there, which means build costs are up.
It sounds like an opportunity to start running speed parts
over there like, you know, cocaine cowboys.
Yeah, get it.
Get a plane or a submarine or something.
We need one of Kalita's 737s.
I'll go you boys halves and we'll start smuggling parts.
A bunch of cylinder heads and timing chains and we're in jail.
Yeah, you're in maximum security.
What did you do?
Car parts.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
But the good stuff.
Dude, the good stuff.
That'd be funny.
All right.
So 10 years with summer nets and when was the decision made
to, you know what?
We need to bring our crazy asses over to the US.
10 years ago.
So the guy who owns, I say the guy, there's actually three people
who were the prime owners of summer nets.
But the main guy is called Andy Lopez.
Andy is the guy that nobody would suspect.
He's the guy without his hair done with the craziest looking
cheap Kmart shorts on running around,
shuttling everyone on the weekend from the front gate down
to the back, just because that's the guy that is super humble.
He purchased summer nets 10 years ago, just over 10 years ago.
He got a guy named Adrian Hodgson working for him.
And Adrian is just a super hard worker, super intelligent guy
and just makes the right choices, knows a lot of people,
gets along with everyone in the industry.
And they started talking about it then.
So they got Garrett Mitchell now cleatest.
This is before he was cleatest.
They got him out and kind of gave him the summer nets bug.
And that's how all the burnout started over here.
He bought that back over here.
And yeah, I guess started making it big from that day that they had him out.
They were talking about bringing summer nets to America.
They just everything had to align.
Everything had to work into the right plan.
And then obviously this year was the right plan.
So not just America, but we're now going over to New Zealand next year.
So next year will be camera.
Is that more of a fight?
No, no, not at all.
We like kangaroos.
They like sheep.
We're close.
It's lion tiger, Alabama, Mississippi.
So we've made the big step where we are.
We are Australia.
So Canberra in January.
In February, we're back in Florida.
In the end of February, we are in New Zealand.
And then in March, we are over in Indy.
So it's going to be a busy start to the year with all the summer nets events.
March.
March and Indy.
March and Indy.
Yeah, 17th and 18th of March.
Please, it's September.
Sorry, September.
September, sorry.
March and still snowing in India.
September.
Sorry, we've got March over.
We've got snowmobile races with big old super chargers.
Getting my dates confused, I'm thinking about now.
We've got February in Florida and then September in Indy.
So we've got the three events within six weeks of each other.
Between Australia, New Zealand and Freedom Factory again.
Where in Indy is it going to be?
It's at the motorsport complex there.
It used to be where we did all the burnouts.
That was the draw to the show.
So good guys used to have a show in Indy at the drag strip and it was like the coolest
show forever and everyone would hang out at the hotel and just be burn out after burn
out after burn out.
Everyone having drinks, hanging out.
And they stopped the burnouts.
And then the show kind of dwindled off and two years later they canceled the show and
we haven't been back since.
Yeah, okay.
Well, one thing these guys know how to do, it's not just the burnout show, it's a festival.
And you come over to Australia and you'll see from the minute the gates open to the
minute they close, there is something on.
And the good thing is every summoner has to have a cruise route.
So you've got all the contestants, I think you guys call them not entrance, we call them
entrance.
They all drive around a cruise route.
So when they're not doing burnouts, when they're not on the dyno, when they're not
drag racing, they're driving around and being part of the crowd.
Everyone's looking at their cars as they're cruising around.
Everyone's having a fat time.
But not only that, the dyno's on when the drag racing's not.
The drag racing's on when the burnout's on.
And there's somewhere around the venue to move and get something at all times.
And then when you think it's over, the band kicks up and you've got a band or a DJ playing
until one o'clock in the morning and the bar's open and everyone's having a fat old time.
I think we need to figure out a way.
We probably need to do it for R&D.
Yeah.
Is there any kangaroo boxing?
Something we could probably start.
We hadn't thought about that.
I'd box the shit out of a kangaroo.
Whoop your ass.
You don't know that.
I was down at the big ol' factory just for Friday.
That's what we meant.
Yep.
The coolest thing, they have like a whole cruise section and then there's a burnout
strip with, you know, the K-rails on each side and everyone just kind of cruising around.
They go through the pits of the drag strip and they stop and then it's just burnouts
and 98% of the crowd had to be standing just there.
It's called Tough Street.
Tough Street.
So that is exactly what it's for, is to keep everyone in control for the rest of the cruise
route.
They're having fun.
They get to Tough Street and they rip a big skid and then they just keep on cruising around.
They have some rowdy boys.
That was a cool concept.
How many guys put it in the K-rail?
I didn't see any.
This is a hairy thing.
They're running drag racing at the same time and that was at the end of the drag strip
and guys are going through the traps at a buck 80.
We were watching the roll racing and there's just a cloud, like a wall of smoke and you
can't see and it's just gone.
Car disappears.
It's hard when you don't know which way the wind's going.
And I learned about Florida on the weekend and that is it has the same weather pattern
as Melbourne does.
It's like four seasons in one day and you're tough.
Whatever the weather says is going to happen, probably isn't the case.
We were there like two, three o'clock on Friday and it's sunny.
There's not a cloud in the sky and it's pouring.
You pull up the radar, nothing on the radar.
It's a rogue.
Clearly raining.
And it came down hard, didn't it?
The Ice Age condensation hasn't been that long ago.
Yeah.
That's one area where the weather is useless to follow.
Yeah.
The percentages things doesn't matter.
70% means that you're good for you.
If they say 10% chance that 10% is on top of you.
So how was the show this weekend?
It was great.
Thursday, Friday people started realizing what was going on and coming through just
before the pro class started.
We got some rain on Friday which closed the gates.
Saturday felt like summer nats.
We got there Saturday morning and it actually felt like summer nats.
It was amazing.
So the vibe, the crowd, everybody that was at the drag strip, we had full grandstands.
We had everything going on there.
The burnout pad was absolutely packed in standing room only.
It was really cool too.
I left.
After we packed everything up, I left and the band was still playing.
And it was standing room only out there as well.
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They did well.
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Were you running the dyno?
No, I wasn't.
I was over here doing a couple of guests with the drag racing and stuff like that.
And doing a little bit of commentating and whatnot up there.
Plus doing filming and everything for the Street Machine YouTube channel.
So basically all of that and what we've done here today with you guys.
That's going to go on to the Street Machine YouTube channel.
And anyone can jump on and check that out as well.
As well as go back through it and check out all of the Australian Summonats coverage.
And that's what you're going to expect over here in India in September.
Do you have a bikini contest?
We used to.
We used to.
Everybody used to.
Be careful with that.
Gotta be careful with it.
Yeah.
Summonats used to go.
I tried bringing it.
Somebody's taking a stance on that.
I tried bringing it back.
I'm the one that tried bringing it back.
Nobody liked it.
Yeah, we were surprised.
I went to World Cup Finals in November down at Maryland Raceway.
And they had a bikini contest.
And I'm like, I like America.
This is back.
Yeah.
Yeah, dude, I brought it back from a marketing standpoint.
A lot of haters.
A lot of haters out there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Those are all people that like to be seen saying they don't like it.
It could be argued.
I mean, some people called and we're like really upset.
Phil got some very upset phone calls.
A couple of emails weren't the best.
Yeah.
Moving on.
You just not go to the show.
Yeah.
Right.
We used to realize if something was going to offend us,
we just picked something else to do.
Or you just kind of look that way.
Now I feel like everybody has a voice, which I'm okay with.
But just use your voice for good.
Because you do realize that when you're doing fun stuff with that voice,
life's fun.
When you're pulling people down, it also pulls you down too.
So I just go and let people enjoy what they enjoy because not everybody
enjoys vegan food on a Saturday night at seven o'clock before they go to bed.
Right.
Like I don't care if you do really.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
Like it's the.
That's the entitlement of thinking that your voice means that much.
Yeah.
Not everybody important.
Yeah.
Not everybody enjoys EV Broncos.
Sorry to say, but I did notice that you got an EV Bronco down there.
Which is perfectly fine.
But it's perfectly fine.
I don't even care.
I don't want to.
I don't even think it's the fact that they think that their opinion is important.
Did it upset you enough that you need to go on YouTube and publicly have a fit about it?
Not at all.
Like it just don't like it.
Which is great.
That's fine.
That's perfect.
No, that's the thing.
It's the fact that you think your opinion should be heard.
Right.
Because they're not making their opinion heard to the guy that did it or the person that
did the thing.
They're making their opinion heard to everybody else that's watching.
They're like, Hey, look at the thing that I don't like.
Yeah.
This is the thing.
This is the thing that I don't like.
And it's again, I mean, back to the bikini thing, right?
If you're from a marketing standpoint, maybe it's a different thing.
If it's at a show and stuff like that, if you didn't go and, you know, like steal them
from another country and are forcing them to do the bikini show and like you open this
up and anybody could just go and enter it on their under their own free will.
Then.
Yeah.
It's not exactly like in all of our sport.
We don't even have grid girls anymore.
So you go to the F one, you go to any capture them in the parking lot and be like, this
is what you're doing.
Put it on.
Put this fucking swim suit on.
We don't even have grid girls anymore.
Yeah.
You come over here.
You go to the basketball.
You go to the ice hockey.
You go to your football and there's cheerleaders, which are no different than grid girls, right?
Right.
But it's also as great as I would look in a bikini.
I can't get up there and do it.
I can't jump in and do three backflips while some guy throws me in the air and not kill
myself in the process of doing it.
Good on him.
It is a skill.
Why not?
They enjoy it because they're all enjoying it.
It's a sport in its own right.
I don't know.
I mean, that goes to show you.
It's not about the act of it or, you know, the fact of girls doing this.
It's just when something has enough eyes on it and you rally the troops, like people
make enough things because there's a lot of things out there that still exist that are
way worse than that that happen every single day that nobody's shutting down, right?
Even on this on a lesser scale about how many nice country clubs out there that have beer
girls, right?
And good looking beer girls come around and sell beer and they know exactly what they're
doing.
They're hiring specifically for that thing.
And because just the guys that go play golf there have no problem with it and it's not
on social media for somebody to be like, I can't believe you're going to play golf to
look at.
There's lots of things that happen that way that it's nobody's on there that think their
opinion matters so much is to put it on social media that riles everybody up.
And then somebody's scared to be like, oh, you know what, we probably should just stop
doing this.
But it's a science.
You ever going to let the girl that you got denied for getting that cart job?
The beer girl job?
Yeah.
I mean, it's an equal opportunity employer.
It's apparently not.
They don't want elderly dudes that smoke cigarettes to run around in the car.
It doesn't sell.
I'm sure there's at least one guy there who wouldn't enjoy it, don't worry.
Nobody's going to buy a beer.
Yeah, none.
Alcoholics in the back.
But it's the same in the automotive industry.
Circleback.
Everybody hails us or says you're ruining the planet or you're you're burning too much
fuel or why would you modify your car to have it layout?
And, and you have a look at a lefty put a video up where they're, they're shit canning
us for having a loud car driving down a main street or something like that.
And everyone jumps on the bandwagon.
Yeah.
You put a video up of you driving down the main street in that car and everyone's like,
oh, whatever.
All right.
It's people just like a problem.
People like drama.
They like a problem.
If you're busy, you do not like drama because you don't have the time to process it nor
deal with it.
If you're not busy, it gives you a hobby.
Yes.
And unfortunately, social media and everything just gives you social media didn't turn people
into fuckwits.
People were fuckwits before they had it.
Now we just know who they are.
They also don't realize.
You're dropping some serious facts today.
No, I mean, just a lot of logic coming out tonight.
I don't like it.
The amount that you push back on some of these specific hobbies or interest is feeding into
the exact reason that these people are into these hobbies and interest, right?
So the fact that you're saying, oh, that's too loud.
I can't believe you're doing this.
And you're doing this, this, and this.
I mean, it comes into the 2A community too.
And as soon as they say you can't have something, they're like, well, fuck, I wasn't really
interested in having that.
But now that everyone's saying I shouldn't have that, well, maybe that's something that
I should pick up.
Like I kind of want that.
Back to how we started this podcast.
It's like, right?
Wiving a red flag at a bull.
Yeah.
I mean, the people from exhaust or whatever, you're like, oh, I'm kind of on the fence about,
you know, maybe getting exhaust and then something goes viral.
You know, this exhaust is too loud and this Karen's going off and they're thinking about
passing a new law about, you know, noise.
You're like, well, fuck, I guess I better buy that exhaust because you're forcing people
to do.
I might be getting old.
I might be getting too opinionated because like these dudes run around with the BMWs that
are just popping and fucking.
It's not my thing.
And the kids would, they call it the Burble tune.
Yeah.
Is that what they call it?
Yeah.
The Burble tune.
Like, dude, that's, that sounds like shit.
I was against that law until I heard a couple of them this week and you're like, yeah,
I could kind of get behind it a little bit.
The thing you got to, I agree with you.
Not my thing at all.
I had, I lived.
I'm not outspoken about it.
I lived with one on social media.
I just, yeah, but it's not my thing.
Not my thing.
There's a lot of things in the automotive community that's not my thing.
If they're choosing to modify, customize and do something to be in this industry and in
this as a hobby, as opposed to other things, I'll give it a pass.
And they're going to come.
They're going to.
Then why were you, you say that, but you were so hard on those dudes with spoilers on their
pickup trucks.
I brought it up and then you were like, yeah, those are not.
You were.
You went harder.
Yeah.
No, I'm pretty sure you went harder.
You go back and look at the video.
I'm pretty sure everybody knows.
I don't, I mean, it didn't seem like we got called out a bunch on it.
I don't think so.
I think everybody kind of agreed.
Yeah.
And it was tongue in cheek.
It's like the old controversial thing of drag racing without setup or skill level, commonly
known as role racing, you either love it or you hate it.
Not my jam.
Right.
I would rather the, the tech that goes behind actual drag racing, I'm still happy for them.
Yeah.
I still want to see them succeed.
I still want to see them do what they do.
There's a more, there's a greater likelihood that they will progress into a full blown
drag car or do something in this industry.
If they do that versus not allowing them to do it, because the barrier of entry is either
I own a full blown drag car or I don't drag race, but not only that, they're still supporting
the automotive industry.
It's still a great part of spending money, but it comes back down to that thing of a
lot of people, unless it's exactly what you want to be doing, they have a problem with
it.
It's, and I can't stand squatted trucks.
Yeah.
I can't stand it.
It's probably one of my most hated things, right?
I didn't even know what that was until this trip and driving around over here.
You're in the heart of them.
You're in the heart of them.
Yeah.
Well, they are everywhere in Florida.
Hi.
Yeah.
It's from all.
There's so many other different avenues in the automotive customizing culture that might
not be my thing, but I can understand.
I could get.
I mean, like, okay, I could see why you would want to do that.
The squatted truck from all aspects, from a visual standpoint to I don't get it.
I don't understand all of it.
I can't.
It's my number one.
I hate it.
Number one.
I hate it.
Yeah.
However, it's a mod.
It's that 17 year old kid, that 18 year old kid that's, you know, outside of Myrtle Beach
with the white, you know, Silverado with the white painted frame and the whatever that's
cruising.
He is into vehicles and he is into making something look in his mind custom, right?
And changing it to his thing.
So I got it.
You just got to let it fucking be.
I don't like it.
Yeah.
I'm not condoning it, but it's customizing.
I always sort of just have that stance, so like, you know, I want to accept a lot and
I embrace it and, you know, I encourage it and I like, I like that, you know, not everybody's
got a budget to do certain things and everybody's trying to modify something.
I just have a sort of a stance on if you're modifying it, do it for the betterment or
the improvement of that vehicle, either you're improving the aesthetic or you're improving
the performance, right?
So some things, you know, I'm not going to be outspoken about it or some things I will.
But others, you know, why did you do it?
The wonderful thing about this industry, though, there's heaps of things that we don't like
or is not a thing that we would do to a car.
Yeah.
You still don't carry on and put people down and whatever.
We support everybody from young kids who are trying to do this stuff in their garage who
are the next generation, right?
They can't paint a car like you guys.
They also don't have the skill set yet.
They've sprayed their car with rattle cans and they've they've done the bodywork themselves
and they've learnt what not to do, right?
Let's put it down that path.
That guy's probably in 10 years going to be a gun spray painter because he got the passion
from doing that and we're all OK with that and we support it all.
A lot of people think that high-end shops like ours want to look down and go, oh, no,
you can't do these.
This isn't good enough.
That's not it at all.
We want to see everyone doing their thing because it does progress to where we are now.
They're the next business owners, the next shop owners.
Somebody who does their own cam package at home or something like that and takes it to
a shop to get tuned.
That's a wonderful thing.
You're actually getting hands on with your car.
Now, a lot of people don't like camshafts and think that they're too aggressive.
Who cares?
Like, he's happy.
Put on him.
I think that the key point of that, and like you said, you're not going to be outspoken.
There's a lot of things that we just personally don't like.
We all in this room don't like the same thing, even when it comes to the stylistic input
on a same model of your car.
Or bikini models.
Or bikini models.
I think we all agree.
I think we all got different tastes in that too.
Yeah, I think of the concept we all agree on, right?
For sure.
Yeah, for sure.
The concept of bikini models were all as positive, right?
We're all on the board.
No, you see a lot in social media and brands and organizations take a hard stance.
You go down the path of this guy's modifying these things, and you go so far as to say
they shouldn't be doing this, they should be doing this.
This needs to stop, or this needs to be banned, or this needs to be outlawed.
Sometimes tongue-in-cheek, sometimes real, they're saying they shouldn't be allowed to
do this.
Well, all you're saying is your way is the only way, right?
And I think you can be very outspoken on something that you just don't like, but you can't be
outspoken on saying that they shouldn't be able to do that.
I can say I don't like the way that looks.
I vehemently think that's ugly.
However, more power too, because my opinion doesn't mean shit.
Your opinion doesn't mean shit.
That's exactly the long-bed comment.
It's a fucking opinion, man.
It's build the shit.
Nobody's saying don't build them.
Stretch the bed.
Make it as long as you fucking want.
If you made it longer, it might get so long, it's actually cool again.
I'd be like, oh fuck, that's a long, long bed.
We shouldn't have brought that up with Thomas from PowerList.
Yeah, it's just not for me.
And there's certain ones, yeah, certain ones work.
But build away.
It do you as the kids used to say.
Because nobody ever built anything great or set the world on fire
by building something that everybody likes or listening to somebody's opinion.
But it's like back in Australia, and we're all really good friends
with Rob from Rides by Cam.
A lot of people would say, why would you spend so much money?
Why would you build a car that way?
God does a fucking amazing job.
But is it to everybody's taste?
No, but can you pick on the workmanship?
No, not at all.
Same with what we do.
The workmanship's great.
Would everyone want a race car with a roll cage that barely steers
and likes to go straight?
You're in all of this is pushing the envelope.
You're you're wanting to get a reaction, positive or negative, right?
You want to be polarizing.
You want people to gasp either in excitement or disbelief.
Correct.
That's the only reason any of this should exist.
It's the same thing with music.
There's all kinds of music choices out there.
Somebody couldn't, you know, somebody should not say,
I don't like this type of music.
You shouldn't listen to it or they shouldn't make it because I don't like it.
Same thing when it's with media and a chicken, a damn OBS, right?
Nobody should say you shouldn't do that.
You should just say, I don't like it.
I don't like to look at boobs.
Well, it's probably best if you just don't say anything.
You shouldn't just move past it.
Touch your bottom up to your top lip.
You should.
However, if all you have to say is, that's not for me, right?
And if you if you got to make the wife happy,
like if you got caught doing something and you're trying to show out that like,
I'm a good guy, I don't like boobs, OK, whatever.
Give us a little winky emoji, right? I get it.
Yeah, you don't like them. We all like them.
Right. What would Vinny say?
We're talking about how we say we said we're talking about how easy it is
to succeed these days with things just by working hard, right?
It's also the day in age now where everybody sees what you do
and everybody's trying to hide secrets still.
Now, you guys have just opened your arms and taken me through your whole shot.
And I have a lot of skill set where I can do things.
Yeah, but you said it was hard to get parts, though, so we're not worried about it.
You guys aren't going, oh, this guy's going to be competition.
He's going to come and try and do this.
And if it no, because we all have our own jam, right?
But it's like half of my social media presence
and now half of my thing with YouTube is I want to teach people
what we've learned over the past.
I want to teach them little things like we've got a tech Tuesday thing
on my socials, which was actually my my social media guy goes,
you're doing a lot of cool stuff here.
Why don't you just do little tech Tuesday, 60 second clips?
And it's as simple as gapping a spark plug because back in the day, 10 years ago,
we were chasing our arse trying to find misfires, and that's what it was.
So teach people about that, teach people about wiring, teach people about tuning.
Hey, this is how we set crank triggers up or this is how we do this.
Hey, this is how we set rear ends up.
Or we've just done an episode on top fuel racing and taking everyone
through the pits of top fuel racing because I go a lot of people,
although they watch all these things, they don't understand how they work.
Now, I find that the more that they understand how they work,
the more little things that they can fix at home, the bigger the car community gets.
And look, just because you tell me how to make whiskey,
doesn't mean my whiskey is going to be any good, right?
You can give me the recipe, but I can't do it.
And we just need to realize that not everybody's a threat and stop seeing them as a threat.
If we can educate the younger kids, if we can educate the older guys,
if we can start just giving them little snippets on how we roll or what we do.
And that's been a big thing in my social media presence,
which I've had very good response on because it makes everybody happy.
People might turn around and go, you shouldn't do it that way,
but they can't say you can't do it.
And that's back to opinion.
So there is more than one way to cast
ready to cast as long as you don't get scratched.
Did I agree with that?
We do, you know, we do a decent amount of like little in car review videos.
And it's just like sort of just spewing all the knowledge that we've learned,
the mistakes we've made, the things that might help somebody out,
some recommendations, take them, leave them, some are right, some are wrong.
And shops don't get to our size by not making mistakes.
We have made all of them, but it's free.
It's free information, you know, for to lift guys up to help guys out,
to help the home builder, to help a new shop.
It's, you know, there's no sense in guarding that.
What do you like?
What are you doing by guarding it?
Right? Nothing at all.
Sort of bring it to your point.
We've screwed up more times than most other people.
And as long as you learn from them
and most of the things that like we deal with, with other shops,
they've got advice on things that we're fighting,
that we've got advice and things they're fighting to share that knowledge.
And it makes the end product better, makes it quicker, cheaper for the customer
and gets you on the road quicker with a better end result.
100 percent.
And I find that you learn by experience as well.
And if my experience helps you, wonderful.
Because if I've cocked this thing up, that I was chasing an issue for
six months trying to find something and then we finally found it.
And now you've got the same issue.
Why not save someone six months?
You don't have to be best friends with them.
You don't have to.
But they also you don't have to be negative with them either.
So it's the same as what you're saying.
We've got a pretty good network back home where we're not in each other's pockets.
But if you've got a problem, everyone talks.
Every shop, every good shop in Australia talks to each other.
That's that's how exactly how we are.
We all share our wins and losses. Correct.
Because it saves you.
If I can save a guy a hundred hours of troubleshooting something by a
because sometimes, I mean, you know, you chased some ghosts
that end up being the most simple thing that the actual repair can be minutes.
Yes. But it cost you a hundred hours to identify it.
Thousands of.
Yeah, if I can share that with a guy like who is who is experienced in the same thing.
Man, I jump at the opportunity and we do.
And it's even if it's from a selfish point
that it gives you great satisfaction to be able to help that guy
and sort his problem out, too, because you know that when you hang the phone up,
he's going, he's not right.
And then he's going to go and change that part.
And he's going to go, fuck, he's a rock star.
Yeah, that's a big thing for me. He's moving forwards.
I just I like it how everyone can get together, help each other out.
But reiterating that we've all made mistakes.
We've all we've all done things.
The only way that we push the envelope, like talking to Brett LaSala on the weekend,
the only way we get to where we are is because we've found the limits of things
and we've pushed past them and we've found ways around them or we've fixed things
or we've got bigger or you can call them mistakes, limits, whatever you want to do.
But now we can go through and repeat that process
a hundred times over for our customers and and give them that outcome.
You have to find I don't know how anybody
does anything, drives a car, does any type of hobby, lives life
without knowing what the limits are.
Like you're always going to be wondering, can I push a little harder?
You have to find that's my famous words.
What's the worst that could happen?
You have to find out what the worst that could happen is
to know then how to dial it back because of experience.
They will tow it sometimes.
Sometimes, yeah, it's not in those scenarios.
If that is a question, the worst that could happen
is they will tow it off that hill at Rhode Atlanta.
It's right off of it.
Not like when your internals become externals,
that you can just take that five pounder boost back out of it and go again.
Like that's that's called a fuck up.
Yeah, you've found the limit of something.
Yeah, but it's you have to you or somebody,
the limits have to be pushed to figure out the guard.
But that's what's got us to where we are in your industry, my industry.
Everything is we're all pushing limits.
And if there's one guy pushing limits,
it gets to the point where he goes,
I'm sick of fucking throw money in the bin here
because I'm the only one pushing limits and I'm already faster than everyone.
Or I'm already better.
I've already got a better chassis than everyone.
I've already got a better workshop than everyone.
But as soon as someone else comes out and challenges that,
you are prepared to throw everything in the wind.
There's sometimes in life, though, there like there's warnings already set,
like in place, somebody else has done the done the work for you to say
this like a gas gauge comes on and says, hey, I'm letting you know
that this is the limit. You've reached the limit.
It's time to get gas, right?
There's a light that comes on and now because people keep pushing it.
Now it's in 60 miles.
You're just 50 miles.
You're trying to make feel like an innovator.
But I think he still is like, you know what?
I'm going to keep pushing it just, you know what?
Turns out you can actually get an extra gallon.
If you run it out an extra gallon, you could put an extra gallon back in it.
Similar comparison.
He was running cars on a 3,000 horsepower rated dyno
and had three cars that were over 3,000 horsepower.
They found you can do it.
You can do it. Yeah.
That was a conservative read.
It's like getting home at two o'clock in the morning
and your wife looks at you at the corner of your eye.
Look, you go, there's the limit.
I'm fucking I'm right on the next time.
Three thirty six.
She locks the door.
Is it her limit or mine?
Let's find out.
But yeah, we we were running
3,000 plus horsepower cars on a mainline 3,000 horsepower dyno.
Now, everybody goes, oh, you're worried.
Not really, because you can steady state 3,000 horsepower.
You can bring it up to 3,000 horsepower or 9,000 foot pound of torque.
So everything is it's got a load cell on it.
So everything is a derived thing from the torque amount, right?
So you go, if you are not at 9,000 foot pound of torque,
then you're not maxing out the dyno.
So at 3,780 horsepower, we were about 8,200 foot pound of torque.
Now, we could have made that a whole lot more by slowing down a ramp rate
and trying to really steady state that.
And we probably would have maxed a dyno out,
but there's always a way around something.
What the fuck is making that power?
Oh, some of our street cars.
So at some at some and that's we've got a called horsepower heroes.
This is my tenth year of doing it.
So we thought why not throw a bit of a party
and I invited some good friends over
and some people that have been coming to Summonats for years.
And we did a thing on Saturday where we had entrance cars going.
We had 10 cars over 2,000 wheel horsepower.
The last three cars all made over three and a half thousand wheel horsepower.
Jeez. What engine base?
Hemi based engines?
They were all big block.
They were all conventional big block.
They were all twin turbo cars.
And yeah, all they were actually all controlled by FuelTech ECUs.
All that dyno stuff is that's fine.
If you reach and just don't put those big diesel trucks on it.
All those things that does that come back to the talk.
More catastrophic videos, 100 horsepower.
Those things are making over 9,000.
We're going to talk about torque.
Yeah, it's just when those go, everything goes.
And you see the block split.
No, you see a piece going over this way.
And it's still in one piece.
The dash is out.
The steering wheels out.
It is violent.
Yeah. Well, man, I'm going to start using some of his terminology.
I'm going to steady state, load, sell the gas gauge.
It's been a packet on it.
I can't laugh with that because I bought a Silverado 1500
when they first got released over with us.
And I don't know what your gas gauges are like here in them things.
But they get to what year?
What year was it? They get to half.
It was a 21.
Two thousand twenty one. Yeah.
OK, they get to half and then they go, sake, I'm empty.
And make that thing.
We were told on a trailer to Summonats one day.
And so Summonats is nine hours from my shop.
And we've had a look and we've gone.
Oh, yeah, we've got 80 Ks to go.
It's 50 Ks until the server. That's fine.
No, we're 30 Ks from the server.
The things ran out of fuel and we've gone, shit, what do we do?
We've got a 12 meter long motorsport
hauler behind us with a car in it and everything.
We're going to fuck it.
So we just had to put methanol in it and drive it to the.
I don't know.
I don't know that.
And I don't know that generation.
I had a two thousand two Silverado
crew cab with a six oh in it. Yeah.
And twenty five hundred.
And that's the only one.
I've had a couple of those generation trucks,
but for whatever reason, that one was like light on.
A quarter mile, it's empty.
Yeah, like as soon as you got to watch it before like the light comes on,
it's starting to get down.
You're like, ooh, ooh, ooh.
Dude, I mean, so the legend trucks all run
that era of fifteen hundred Chevy gas.
Take a product that we make.
Yeah. Square body trucks and the tanks are that way.
You get down. It is a slow roll to the half tank.
Correct. One five hundred miles to half.
You don't drive Miley cheese.
Yeah, I will drive for a month until that thing gets down to a half tank.
You got half a day.
The half tank down.
I mean, the half to a quarter is still, you know, kind of creepy.
And the last quarter.
We're going to be on the on the swing of the.
Yeah, it's it's off.
It's a factory GM, you know, tank.
Oh, come on. Even from GM, where it's at and yeah, or how the.
Yeah, we just then learn you get to half a tank.
You stop like the fuel lights, half a tank.
Oh, man.
We've reached standard question time.
Standard questions. Everybody's favorite.
It's going to be some this is going to be a little
a little different standard questions.
We're outside of our element a little bit.
And there's absolutely no guests in a vehicle.
We don't even know what they're fucking called.
We don't even know what the name.
We generally are standard questions.
One of the questions used to be what was your first car
and a story about that car, right?
And we'd have the guests ask about halfway in to the second season.
We started guessing what those cars were.
So we wouldn't ask, you know, we can play that game.
We get a little I can play it, dude.
So hold on.
Not at all. It's a tractor.
It's a kangaroo. It's a cab over.
It was him and Mel Gibson, and they were in a.
I can't. Javelin, I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know cars.
It was got to be a ute of some sort.
Everything had ute. I mean, everybody had a ute, right?
What's the ute deal down there?
Well, I guess the deal for us is a lot of people work out of their cars.
So all of our tradies and like your electricians and plumbers
and all those kind of people, they work out of the back of their cars.
So they've all got utes and all of the farmers have utes.
And why not just a pickup truck?
We never had the option to pick up trucks.
Nobody building them.
Have the sprinter the sprinter type vans taken over by you?
Or do you guess I have?
No, we've got some smaller vans like Ford Transits and stuff like that,
which are really handy for, I guess, a lot of tradies use them now.
And plasterers, painters, all that kind of stuff, parts delivery.
Y'all have never had Camaro's down there?
Yes, we did.
I actually bought build number one when the ZL ones come in.
So fifth gen Camaro. Yes.
Nothing before that. Nothing before that.
Australia just seems like a really third genny place.
Like a, can you see all of it?
We've only just got Mad Max.
It's got a Mad Max.
You look at it.
Third gen with a bit.
You know what third gen Camaro, right?
Yeah, that seems like it fit right in down there.
We've only just got C8 Corvette's over.
And as I said, with just the Yukon is the latest thing to come over.
Yeah, we don't have a whole lot of American stuff there,
unless it's been imported.
There's a massive tri-five following over there, as you would know.
So 55, 6 and 7 Chevy's.
Is that mainly because of the hood height,
what you could fit underneath them?
No, it's just, that is the ideal American car
that everybody wants between that and a 68, 69 Camaro.
And a Chevy Nova, I reckon.
They're some of the...
They give you a lot of wealth over there, obviously.
Yeah, it's a lot of money.
Well, it all goes well, that's why there's not a lot left to be found.
They're probably the bigger ones
that everybody imported by themselves.
Put them in containers, bought them over.
But as per a factory release vehicle,
we got 5th Gen Camaros.
And then we got the C8 Corvette's now.
And a couple of pickups have just started coming in in 2020.
It's been a while since we've... Go ahead.
Do you get hit with big import tariffs or fees on older 50s, 60s cars?
We do.
They've made it a little bit easier now,
but it used to be pretty hard to get them in.
So, but even getting them in a container and over is $11,000 Australian dollars.
So then you've got import duties.
If you're keeping them, a lot of people will strip them out
and bring them over as parts, ends up being a lot cheaper.
But you've just got to find a way to have them registered.
I'm going to forego guessing on the car.
We're just going to ask you a story.
We're going to Google the car, too, so we know what that was.
What was the first car and a story about the car?
I feel like I should lie about this.
This is the flying thing that the little kid and the old man had in Mad Max.
Remember, the flying thing then had to go.
If you Google what my first car was, it was a pretty funny looking thing.
When I was 15, I built an XF Falcon.
And that's like a Torino looking thing, right?
No, it's not. It's like a cigarette packet with wheels.
What year? That's a good description.
What year?
I can't even remember what the year was of it, but I built one.
And I was 15.
And I painted the thing myself.
I did it with acrylic in a carport and wet sanded between every coat.
And it actually come over right for what it was.
And they did it as a youth to it.
They did do it as a youth as well.
That was slightly more ugly than the sedan.
And if they've got any interior photos of them there,
you'll you'll see why they weren't the most popular thing.
But I ended up putting a turbo on it.
And that was the first car that I have a turbo to and converted to EFI
and and had some fun with.
And then I went down the path of V8 stuff.
So that looks like an XE that you're looking at at the moment.
steering wheel. Did you see that?
So that's an XF there.
It's just like a no options vehicle, right?
Yeah, they were. They were a very basic thing.
Now you look back and the XE ESP's
turbo cross-flowers.
Yeah, so they're called a cross flow because you've got inlet one side exhaust the other
side.
So this is one of our articles here, obviously.
That's a fox body.
Fox body.
Fox body.
So these are only just starting to get a following now.
So in the last probably five years, since COVID, I would say XDs, E's and F's have now
started to pick up a cult following.
If you can get an ESP, they are worth a bunch.
Dude, tell me about that's a bearer motor in that.
No, that looks like the factory cross flow out of that.
So inlet one side exhaust the other, but it's got the slanted rocker cover on it.
I don't want to get wildly off topic, but I'm like.
So there's still a pushrod four liter like, yeah.
Those bearer motors though, like I'm interested in, I would love to put one in something.
You guys, you guys fuck with those.
All the time.
I think they're amazing.
Rarity, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We just finished off a guy's Fox body Mustang that has a barrier in it and that come up
really well.
And he now does conversion kits and sells them back over here for Fox bodies.
I mean, you make a couple thousand horsepower pretty easily on that, right?
You can make a thousand very easily like our lesses.
And then the very gets dropped off that easily topic and it starts getting a bit more difficult.
Okay.
But you keep them under 1300 wheel and they're really not a bad platform.
So just a piston and rod deal will do that to make a couple of thousand.
You're looking at billet.
Yeah.
Really to keep them alive.
You go with a billet block and all that kind of gear.
It's just so odd.
Yeah.
It looks Eastern European.
You think that's odd?
It's like, we just needed to make a car.
Who's got the car parts to build the car?
We have some headlights.
Type in my second car, which was a VN Commodore.
I like the name.
Yeah.
Dude, that's the essay.
That's the tourists.
That's what you were asking about.
That's the tourist body.
That's a VN Commodore.
Yeah.
Had a five liter twin turboing that.
That's what I was talking about there.
Yeah.
So that's a VN VP Commodore.
And now we're talking.
Now we're getting into this style.
We're getting a little probe like.
It's got a little Saturn.
The flat type on the back.
Something about it.
Yeah, it's not beautiful.
It's like there's nothing.
It's like a trunk.
Stylistically.
And then I used to, when I was a kid, I used to go to the bus.
I used to go to school on a bus because I was so far out of town.
And we used to drive past these cars, this car every day.
And there was a VK Barocchi, like a Blue Meanie.
And I looked at that and I always wanted that car.
I said, if I ever make it in life, I'm going to build one of them.
Blue Meanie.
Yeah.
Blue Meanie is what they're called.
That's the factory.
That's the factory.
Yeah.
They were called a Blue Meanie.
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And that is the VK that I ended up making.
So that's a blue meanie.
That is my styling.
That's what I built.
It's a Foxbody, dude.
Yeah, they look similar.
They look like a four-door Foxbody.
A little Thunderbird front.
So that car there runs bottom sevens at nearly 200 mile an hour.
It gets street driven everywhere.
It's sitting at my house at the moment full of dog hair and sand.
That's cool.
Yeah, that was one of the ones that we started having some fun with.
I mean, the quarter, the quarter window and the quarter panel.
Oh, that's a Foxbody.
Yeah, that's all a Foxbody.
The trunk, the deck, this.
Yeah.
That whole thing's Fox.
Even the fender profile.
Well, everything's Fox except the passive sector.
And it's the right way.
You pull that back door out and squish it together
and you've got a Foxbody.
Yeah.
Oh, that's crazy.
Look at that undercarriage shot.
What are we going to get going on there?
Yeah.
So it's got a couple of turbos underneath it.
And that car makes about 2,500.
I wonder how much we'd have to extend the Foxbody spec chassis to go underneath it.
Yeah.
We need to figure that out.
That's tubular subframe connectors in there.
It's a good body deal.
What, uh, the first car, what's the, what's the most memorable story in your first car?
Nothing really.
Okay.
Um, it was the build of it that was good for me.
As soon as I built that car, I actually left home and, um, ended up selling it.
So I never really got to do anything in it.
I was too young to really drive it or anything like that.
But for me, it was all about the build.
That's all I was interested in.
And once that was done, it had nothing else to do with it.
Next up, rapid fire.
What is, uh, your favorite car movie?
Gone in 60 seconds.
I think we had it as far and above a winner.
It's got to be.
It's, it was winter as of like 80 episodes ago.
And it's really came on strong as of late.
I don't disagree.
It's a great movie.
I'm going to have to, I haven't watched it in a while.
I did recent, maybe about eight months or a year ago.
Watch this.
Dude, it's good.
It's a, it's a great, it's just an entertaining movie.
I mean, it's probably Nick Cage's best performance.
I don't know about that.
It just doesn't have all the bullshit thrown into it,
trying to convince you the cars or something.
Yeah, it's not, it's, it's not like that goofy.
There's nothing, the cars aren't doing weird stuff.
Right.
It's kind of believable.
Fastback Mustang doesn't have a 173 geese.
Yeah, like bullets.
Um, next up, your most memorable law enforcement interaction
story to do with cars or just the fact to do with law
enforcement and your interaction with them.
My most memorable would be the aftermath of being put in the
back of one of our patty wagons and then being pepper
sprayed.
That sticks with you when you're in the back of it.
It seems like they've already got you contained.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, you keep your mouth shut when you go in there.
Yeah, you keep your mouth shut.
Give us, give us the bullet points of that night.
Oh, that night was just a funny old night where it was more
mistaken identity, I guess you can say.
And it was just a round.
You missed to who they were.
No, it was a, it was a rowdy moment out the front of a pub.
Um, and yeah, I ended up getting grabbed and getting thrown in
there and I should have kept my mouth shut and I fucked
around and I found out real fast.
We'll do that again, Rick.
Oh, not at all.
Not at all.
That sucks.
Yeah.
You already got me.
Oh, they had me after that.
Yeah.
They really had you.
Um, let's see where we're going next.
Best piece of advice you ever heard.
As I said before, if someone can outwork you, you've got a
problem.
Let them out talk you, never let them out work you.
That's good.
That's kind of where I've lived my life.
I always knew I was generally the stupidest one.
So you just knew you weren't that hard of a worker.
So you're out.
And the one I just outwork everybody.
And the one that goes with that is action.
Speak louder than words.
She would not come back.
You can get both.
You're the total package.
You can work hard and talk good.
You're nice.
Still wish you wouldn't come and convince your wife.
You don't like boobs apparently.
That ship sailed.
She knows how much you like boobs.
She knows I'm really into them.
Was that one of those things where she didn't want them?
So you just kind of put it asleep anyway or?
No, just take a few of these.
Sweetheart.
Yeah.
I'm not sure I want to do this.
No, we do.
Oops.
Next up.
Let's see.
We're doing this.
We're changing up.
We haven't gone to old faithful because we've put that one to rest,
which is, which is all faithful.
Burton's still on.
Yeah.
That was kind of.
The one I enjoy the most lately is the car build.
Yep.
100%.
It's great.
It's a great question.
So you have a, you have an unlimited budget.
You can.
Build any vehicle you want.
But you're going to pay somebody else to build it.
So you're going to tell us who's building it and what car.
It's a hard question.
You got me.
It's a rare opportunity.
You've got me.
I would say.
If I am building something in Australia.
That is for a street car.
It would be a 69 Kamaro.
Or we can only pick one.
It would be 69.
And I would get.
Probably Rob from rides by cam to do it.
Just because of his attention detail in that.
Show car era is wild.
Turbo.
Top, top fuel fucking nature.
I think that car would just be a blowing thing because that
would be a street car.
Whereas if you go down, if you go down another alley, it
would be a HKT G frame rail car, which I would probably send
to someone like the guys had impressed race fab over there
and get them to do a proper pro street race car.
But they're the two cars that I would always like.
And that would be big block twin turbo or the fruit.
Otherwise, Kamaro roots blower.
Like old school kind of hop in, turn key, drive, air con,
like what you guys built here.
Like LS whipple with big block.
Look, I think you would have to something like that.
You'd have to go big block, right?
Big block with like a nice Whipple on top of it.
Good EFI on it.
So it was just start key, run, flex fuel, make a bit of
grunt if you want to get to a twin plug at that point.
What do you mean?
How much power are you talking about?
You don't need 2000, right?
That's not a whole lot.
If you're going to build it, well, you still, you talked
about all these other guys that had made 3000.
Yeah, but you can't talk on the street with that.
Is that metric 2000 or standard?
But you go, you make 2000 out and try to make 2000
out of the PD blower.
Like it's, it's almost out of its realm.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah.
So you just go, if you went something pretty simple like that,
it would drive, it would have air con.
It would, it would just do everything you want it to do.
Yeah.
Cruise control.
Drive by while.
That'd be fun.
We might have something like that coming up pretty soon.
As long as it's blue, it would be cool.
Everything's got to be blue.
You like to be given cigarettes, secrets away.
Yeah.
I get a lot of shit for painting everything blue.
Yeah, same here.
Everything I own is blue.
There is other color.
Blue's great.
Blue's nice.
We put this thing up online and it was kind of getting the
hype cause that was unveiled at motor X, which is another
summon at event and it was getting unveiled there and
they did this whole, oh, what color do you think it's going
to be?
And everyone's guessing.
And I've got so many messages going, what shade of
fucking blue are you going?
When they sell a box of crayons, they sell them by the
box.
They don't sell a single.
It's not like you get a blue crayon.
So this is the only color.
There's all kinds of colors.
Yeah.
Blue's just a good one, dude.
Yeah.
Blue's always the one that gets worn down first cause the
others just come after it.
Yeah.
Marina blue.
Like.
Yeah.
And you're like 60, 70s muscle cars.
No, I understand.
But when you have a, when you have such a large body of
work, sometimes it needs to start differing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We painted things, all kinds of different colors.
Just more of them blue.
Like blue, dark blue.
Different shades of blue.
Metallic.
Solid.
A lot of solid blues lately.
We done a satin yet.
Not satin blue.
No.
Tends to look purple.
Next up.
Last but not least.
Oslo blue.
Man, you're just naming blues.
They're all, I get it.
They're all blues.
I thought it was the game we were playing.
Last but not least, let's see.
Well, we're going to, because we can't do our standard,
we're going to deviate.
What is the most annoying thing that a non-Australian asks
you or thinks is funny to say?
I'm sure I probably did two or three of them.
Do you guys ride kangaroos?
Oh, that's stupid.
I've had that quite a few times while I've been here.
Yeah.
Those things have some fucking talent on them.
Like, you don't fuck.
I don't know whether it's because I think you are,
you are fucking silly for asking that question or why the fuck
haven't I tried that?
There's just so much better.
I don't know what part of it.
There's so many more creative things to come up with though.
That's a pretty stupid one.
Yeah.
We get asked that a lot.
Have you ever seen a kangaroo?
It's not made for riding.
No.
And they're aggressive, aren't they?
He fucking grew up.
That's propaganda.
Have you ever seen one?
Yeah.
Look at there.
They're like three foot tall.
No, they're fucking tall.
Dude, they've got a talent.
They've got a talent on their back and forth.
Yeah, but these don't.
They get up on you.
They grab you with these.
Yeah, they grab you with their top arms.
That's fucking Aussie propaganda.
I'm telling you, that's horseshit.
There's never been a fatal attack
by a kangaroo on a human being.
No.
Not real.
I'm not real.
Sure there has been.
They're not as big as they make them out to be
in the videos.
Yeah, but tell me that when you wanted 80 mile an hour
and you got no fucking car left.
Oh, the deer do that too.
Was that like hitting the deer?
Is that a thing?
Oh, yeah.
People crank them.
Oh, but they just hop off.
Like they just wait.
Oh man, they're bad.
And they just, they'll be hopping beside the road
and they go, I'm going this way.
No.
And they just jump straight out in front of you
and the damage they cause is next level.
But you were right.
They stand up on their tail
and what they do is they grab you with their hands
and then they cut your stomach.
Like they do some value with their.
I've Googled this before.
Who's gonna fight one?
Yeah.
I know a thing or two about this situation.
I don't doubt it.
They hunt kangaroo.
They do.
We cull them with cars.
Yeah.
We cull them pretty much because there's an issue
or they're just overpopulated in areas.
So they come in and they destroy all the farms
and all that kind of gear.
So there is certain places that they are culled
and hunted.
Good.
So it's got to be a nice little game to hunt there.
But as we said, people eat them.
Most of the guys that do hunt them use them for dog food.
Really?
Yeah.
So they don't.
It's just not quality meat.
It's very lean and it's very hard to cook.
And we've got cows.
Like we're not.
Why do you need them?
We do a lot of deer hunting.
I mean, I don't.
But in the States and it's, you know,
people love venison.
But a lot of people,
we don't get a whole lot of deer back home.
Lean meat.
Yeah.
But everyone's resourceful at home.
So they don't like wasting anything.
If you're gonna take a life,
then you might as well use it.
So if it goes to feeding the dogs and,
and they're hunting dogs and all that kind of stuff.
What kind of guns can,
you can't have a lot of guns.
We can't carry them.
Boomerangs.
Yeah.
Boomerangs and big sticks.
No, we can't carry guns.
We're not like you guys where our gun laws allow that.
If you've got a gun license,
you can have a firearm.
It's got to be stored in a gun safe,
separate than ammunition.
You can only go out and shoot in certain areas.
You can't shoot on crown land or anything.
You have to be able to,
if you're on public land,
you have to have written.
There's still crown land?
Yeah.
I thought you had your own thing now.
No.
So it's called crown land,
which is like some of our reserves and stuff like that.
Oh, okay.
It's not the actual crown.
So it's just basically owned by the government or whatever.
So some of the bush blocks and all that kind of stuff
we call crown land.
I should just let that shit to England.
Don't worry about it.
The other one that said,
no, we want to be our own deal.
We want to be our own deal.
Oh, we did too.
We took it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Y'all negotiated it.
We fucking want it.
That's the difference.
I'm getting shit here.
Yeah.
You guys are called the United States of America.
And I don't know two states that fucking get along.
Yeah.
I don't know what's real United.
No.
As long as you're not neighboring states.
It's a good call, dude.
It's not really United, is it?
It's 250 years.
I'll go back to the island where we hate everyone equally.
It's fine.
It was a great idea 250 years ago.
We've outgrown most of it.
Too many fucking people.
Yeah.
Too many fucking people.
Way too many.
There is a lot of people over here.
And that's the difference.
We're gonna go down that road now.
You have to look at the county.
People are around here versus one of our big cities doesn't
doesn't even come close to you guys.
Our population is far less.
And then not only that,
but the land that we have in between our cities and towns
and everything that is just nothing.
So much nicer.
That would be so much better.
Because there's just too many people.
There is a lot of people here.
And you can say too many.
It's fine.
Everybody knows it.
Am I wrong?
You are not wrong.
Did I just get back from traveling?
A lot of time in the airport?
You have to admit more than 90% of the people that you come
into interaction with while traveling out in public
serve zero purpose.
The only purpose they're serving is to serve the purpose
of the other person that's down the line.
And if both of those people didn't exist,
neither one of them would need to exist.
Because this guy's only purpose is to serve the other
fucking idiots that are doing their stupid shit.
There's also something when you look at somebody
and it normally happens in airports and you go,
you were the strongest sperm.
I would hate to see the others.
The airport will show you that.
That'll make you question all kinds of things.
That's worth it.
It's everybody's first time in an airport.
Every time you go.
I mean, I'm not going to bag on TSE too much right now,
especially with what they're going through
and working for no checks for free.
They don't exactly make things easier
on the traveling population.
And they loved it.
It's TSA and good guys local car club
checking your passes coming into the good guy's show.
Dude, that is the level of.
I love to be in that pregame speech.
I just dealt with quite the situation.
What today is.
I came off of a multi day cancellation and delay.
Laptop, no laptop.
So I'm flying just me and my wife, no kids.
So she gets the privilege of traveling with me,
which it's like a switch goes off as soon as I entered
the airport and I just turned into the biggest asshole.
According to my wife.
You're trying to be fish.
And that's what I told her.
She's like, you are the worst person in the world
to travel with because we had some words.
We had a little bit of an argument because she did
something that I strongly oppose in that it's like,
all of a sudden it's time to board the plane.
And she's like, okay, we're getting on the plane.
And just and I'm like, hey, there's lines.
There's boarding groups.
You can't go that way.
But we're getting on the plane.
There's fucking boarding groups.
There's lines.
She disagreed with me and she felt that like she just was
in a position where you could walk right through.
I'm like, all right, you do your thing.
But she tried to cut boarding lines and she did.
Oh no.
So she got through.
I'm like, you realize I'm like, if Josh were here,
you don't do that.
Josh were here.
He would have fought you.
Right.
You don't do that would have 100% fought you.
It's the only thing that separates us from the animals.
Yeah.
Cause we have rules.
But she had an absolute fit just about my behavior in there.
But it's, it's a behavior that is modeled on complete
efficiency because you want to move through there.
Like water.
Yeah.
Like Bruce Lee.
Fucking Bruce Lee dude.
Yep.
Just like water.
I love that you're saying this.
And if I had my hat, I would take it off to you right now
because every time I come to America,
I say to anyone I talk to, I fucking love Americans.
I love the fact that you guys self-regulate.
I loved it.
You guys go, I have eaten off of that plane.
I am no better than that guy.
I'm going to put it in the bin because nobody else needs to
follow around after me.
I loved it.
You go and have a shit and it makes it into the toilet,
not the floor next to it.
I love that you'll have trouble with that.
Oh dude.
I love that nobody is pissing all over toilet seats.
We might be hiring a bunch of Australians, it looks like.
To find a clean toilet seat in a public toilet at home
is hell.
Over here, they're all clean.
They're all good.
Everybody's put their hand towel away.
We take it for granted then.
Everybody is just doing the right thing.
You bump into someone here, as we said before,
and they say, oh, sorry.
Like at home, it's, no, no, they want to punch on for it.
It's, everyone here is just happy to follow the rules
and realize that if you don't follow the rules,
there's fucking chaos, right?
Whereas at home, you go, oh, boarding groups,
this and that are getting up and it comes down to,
what about me?
No, no, you're boarding group six, you have a number.
That's fine.
Yeah, it's just down the line.
But how come they get in before I do?
Because they paid more.
But how does that, that's class structure.
That shouldn't work.
Shut the fuck up and get on the airplane when you're called.
Yeah.
It just makes it easier.
Whenever I come to America, you guys do that so well.
You guys just follow the rules, do the right thing
and smile while you're doing it.
I think we do.
And that's one thing I love about it.
We're hyper sensitive to all of the stories I've heard
about Josh earlier.
I'll keep this guy away from the story.
Otherwise he might have a really good law enforcement
story for us as well.
What's worse, you can have it.
No, the point of the win or the goal of a good travel
experience would be to completely inter-exit your
ingress, egress, your entire travel experience to be
where you inflicted zero...
You don't affect anybody else.
You don't affect anybody else.
Where if something were to happen and they came back
and they started interviewing people of like,
hey, did you see a guy that looked like this, blah, blah.
Nobody would be able to be identify you.
Yes.
Because you just...
Float.
You float.
You just have...
Nobody had to pause for you.
Nobody had to wait for you.
You didn't have to say, I'm sorry.
You didn't have to say this.
You just happened to be.
You flew on.
You got onto the airplane.
You put your things where they needed to be.
And you were of absolute no consequence to anybody at all.
The only person I want to remember me when I travel is the
one that you gave a compliment in a good way.
Yes.
Anything else I want.
No one to know I was there.
Follow the rules.
Just walk through.
Just sit down.
There's even a case to be made for like the over friendliness,
like the niceties, because that's too much too.
You could be inflicting.
Like I just experienced that too.
I'm like, listen, I've been fucking delayed.
Like I'm just, I don't want to talk.
You don't need to talk to me.
Just fucking sit there again.
It's like you're disrupting the flow.
I went out for lunch.
I'm traveling with a friend of mine at the moment.
And I went out for lunch the other day.
And it was a barbecue place in Florida.
And we sat down and this guy, no shit, sold us three of his
children and half his house and invited us to live with him.
No, he was just overly friendly to the point where he's telling
us how amazing this food is.
And I've got you.
This is amazing.
And I'm like, I really don't need this friendliness.
So this is too much.
Yeah.
And it was the worst fucking barbecue I've ever eaten.
And I was too scared to tell the guy.
And he's like, oh, you guys fool.
We left literally three quarters of the plate.
And it was like, no, it's fine.
I'm sure you just paid the bill and you get out of there.
And we've been laughing about it since going, wow,
that over friendliness.
I would have rather someone rude.
Yeah.
Just just isn't it funny?
You just got to be right in the middle.
Right in the middle.
Yeah.
That's true for everything.
It is just be take the middle and the thing everybody's got to
realize is everybody's got their own shit going on.
Right.
So just do your thing.
And then when you have to interact with another human,
you do it in the most efficient and normal way possible.
You can be friendly and say your stand,
the shit that you were taught in grade school, right?
Standard.
Please thank you.
Yes, ma'am.
No, ma'am.
Simple as that.
All that.
You don't have to do any of the other kinds of things.
The point I was spaced out because what I was trying to get at
was the fucking point I was trying to make is,
you know, we talked about the laptop in laptop out,
shoes on, shoes off.
Right.
There's always that.
Changes by the hour.
Let's fucking standardize some things for the sake of efficiency.
The other one that we can never seem to standardize is,
are we showing boarding passes or are we just showing IDs?
Do we need them both?
So because then you get a pull.
And then you're the idiot either way.
Right.
And then it's like, sir, the boarding pass.
So and I try to monitor it all and I make sure all my things are
and I'm ready to go.
So this one coming in, right?
I already had this conversation.
My wife's yelling at me the whole time because she's like,
well, you just, why do you get so worked up about this?
Like, because it's fucking stupid.
Either figure, either it is just, it's like, you get pulled over.
You show them your fucking ID, your ID and your insurance card.
You don't like give them a shoe.
Right.
It's that's just today.
We're taking your shoes.
Oh, guess what?
Oh, you need my hat too.
Okay.
Here's my hat.
Like, yeah, let's standardize it.
So there's these massive fucking lines because everything in the
entire state in the whole lower half of the United States
flights were canceled, travels fucked up.
Airports are a disaster.
I get through the security line and I get up there and I hand
the dude and I'm prepared with both of them this time license
and here's boarding pass, digital boarding pass.
Right.
And the guy looks at it and he's like, mm-mm.
I'm like, what do you mean?
And he's like, yeah, we ain't taking digital ones today because
flights have been canceled and stuff.
So yeah, you're going to have to get a printed copy.
And I'm like, dude, I'm going to tell you right now that it was a
Josh moment.
I'm like, that's not fucking happening.
So like, I'm already fucking human.
You just made it through the line.
And I'm like, not fucking happening, dude.
So ask somebody.
Are you?
It's on the app, dude.
It's on the app.
Yeah.
I'm like, dude, it's a fucking board.
And I'm like, and Lindsay's clamming up because she's I'm, you know,
like that will send me over the edge.
We will end up.
That's going to be a blessed best.
Yeah.
Story, right?
For us.
And then it went from like there were grabs is superior.
He comes over and he looks and he's like, I don't know.
I mean, I think, yeah, I'm pretty sure you're going to have to go back
and get in line.
I'm like, dude, I'm not fucking getting in line.
Scan the motherfucking boarding pass.
Scan the fucking boarding pass.
And then he's like, well, we could try it like this.
Like, dude, I just watched you scan a fucking hundred boarding
passes scans the boarding passes.
He's like, oh, I guess it works.
Well, did you realize you would have just fucked my entire day up
because I'd have missed the flight, waited in line for three hours.
No, again, it's not going to happen.
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Why we're talking about airports.
The other thing they cannot standardize every airport I've ever been to.
Do you leave your laptop in the bag or you fucking take it out?
Like, like, why do you need to take it out?
What's the point of taking everything out of your bag?
Do you have tables out of your bag when they're scanning?
They have nothing to fuck with you or change up the thing.
The whole point is to change the pattern so they can see how people down the line react.
It's a model.
They see if you fuck up.
I have two laptops and an iPad in my bag whenever I travel because I take my tuning laptop
because I'm normally travelling for work and I take my MacBook
because I'm normally doing book work and stuff with it or video stuff
and I take my iPad because I don't like being bored.
And because there's three things in there, it'll always come through
and then it gets that thing and you see the little arm come out and you go, fuck.
This is going to take ages now, isn't it?
It pushes it over to the other side
and then you have to go and explain yourself on why you have three devices in your bag
or you get there and they go, take everything out.
No, one per tub.
What do you mean?
Last time at the airport, I could put all three laptops in one.
No, one per tub.
You get to the other end.
You got six tubs coming through.
Why can't it just be easier?
And if you leave everything in, you get yelled at for taking it out.
Correct.
No, it's everything in.
You're a complete ass.
Yesterday it was.
I got a single note.
I'm waiting and I move as efficiently as you can through there
and right about the time my wife gets done screaming at me to stop bitching
about the person in front of me that I said is carrying too many personal belongings
and there should be a limit on how many personal belongings you have
because it should only take you seconds to unpack and you should get one bin
and then they single me out.
They pull me out of the line and they're like, sir, step aside.
I was a random screening.
Oh, they randomly screen me for my shoes.
They swipe your shoes.
Like we just made shoes legal.
Shoes are okay now.
Okay.
Shoes are not lava.
Shoes are okay now.
And then they swipe my shoes and they put them in the little fucking bomb thing
to make sure that there's no explosives in it.
But right before that, I just watched a family send a whole.
Send a whole.
It probably went off like a fucking rocket.
No, there were no triggers, no flags.
I've just come back from Vegas.
I've walked through some shit.
Don't worry.
Yeah.
I watched them send a whole fucking stroller through.
Like they just take the stroller.
Stroller's fine.
And I'm like, dude, if I were going to blow something up, do you know how much shit
you can cram in a stroller?
All the tubes inside.
I wouldn't walk on my shoes.
I'm not going to put it in my fucking shoes.
They're controversial, right?
To sum it up and then we're going to wrap it up.
But to sum it up, you have a minority.
A minority, albeit a group of people that are good travelers.
We would be in that group of good travelers that try to be like water.
Don't inflict any of your own shit on somebody else.
And there's a group of people out there that flicker.
We see them.
We come into contact with them rare, but you do see them more contact with them.
Yeah.
And so those people are those people can can roll.
So you have those people that are used to traveling all the time.
Then you have the group of people that it's always their first time, right?
Those groups of people inflict harm on everyone else because they cause hassle and harm.
The problem is the TSA just likes to screw everything up all the time and change it up.
So the people that have never traveled before are just fucking things up because they can't do shit right.
Then the people that have done it before are now trying to gain the system,
but the TSA changes it every single day.
So when you say, oh, yesterday, they don't, I don't care what yesterday was.
Today you're putting the laptop on your head.
Carry it on your head.
Balance it on your head.
Let me see you walk three steps.
Balance it on your head.
Okay.
Now good.
You've passed that test.
Now onto something else.
It's it is complete and utter chaos.
Then you've got the third ones who are the ones who complain about your loud exhaust and they sit behind you and they knee your seat the whole time you're moving.
And then they press the button.
They don't do that for long.
They don't do that for long.
But if you notice how they're never the ones who get in trouble, it's always us for our reaction.
But the problem is you need to take responsibility when that happens.
The first knee you give them benefit of the doubt.
It's an accident.
The second knee.
All right, you're getting a little rowdy back there.
The third knee you give them a look.
If it happens after the third knee, then there needs to be a talking to right.
There needs to be.
And that and that's when the Florida tenant gets cold.
And these guys.
Yeah.
Well, you got to think you can't.
What was it?
2023.
Was it?
2023.
If you ask them what the fuck's wrong with them.
We enacted this.
This was going to be.
Year of.
2023.
It was our contribution to the world, right?
And we decided collectively between the three of us that this kind of shit.
We weren't letting go.
We wouldn't stand for it.
We were just immediately call it to somebody's attention and it gets super confrontational.
But the outcome is it's a betterment for society because we solved it for all of 2024.
Pretty much worldwide.
It's uncomfortable in the moment.
Last year started getting there.
They're probably not going to do it again.
Things get heated.
But when that guy needs your seat the second time, okay, the third time and you turn around
and you give them the, hey, that fucking shit's going to fucking stop now.
Like, dude, he's not.
He's, he's going to think to the next time he's going to kind of scooch up a little bit.
And he does.
Knees are not anywhere near.
And he's going to gently let that tray table down because they'll always remember.
I've got like eight flots this week.
I need that handbook before I leave.
Just got to let him know when it gets out of hand.
Just don't, you shouldn't suffer.
You need to let them know how big of an asshole they are being and how much of an inconvenience.
I started going.
The last one I had to let the guy know when we got off the plane that the entire plane
thought he was a fucking moron.
And you, how do you, how do you feel about yourself knowing that the entire plane was
looking at you for this four and a half hour flight across country that you were the one
that shouldn't be on this plane because that's how fucking stupid you are.
And if it gets really bad, you just reach over and spill your ginger ale all over the
person.
Yeah, that'll handle it.
You won't fucking mouth off no more.
I promise you that.
It's our gift.
It's our gift to the world.
Man.
This has been great.
It's been fun, man.
What's a Instagram MPW performance, right?
Yeah, MPW performance and rice fab.
But the big one for me is straight machine.
Straight machine.
Jump over and have a look at street machine YouTube channel.
Check out street machine.com.au.
Have a look at our stuff over there and Summonats.
Summonats.
Summonats USA.
That is what I'm here to push today is the events are coming over to the US and we want
to see everyone at them.
We want everyone to be part of them and it's going to be a whole new car culture over here.
So everything that you'll see on the street machine page, we're bringing over to Florida
and Indy.
So it could be great.
It should be a good thing.
It should be good for every company involved and everyone who makes it through the gates.
Right on, man.
Keep it coming.
Can't wait.
It's been a great one.
I appreciate it.
Thanks for having me, guys.
Really honored to be here.
Thank you.
See you again next week.
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