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I'm Richard Porter.

And this is Smith & Sniff, a podcast on which two friends talk about cars and many other things.

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Been accused of the last podcast, the one that involved some chat about Julio Inglasius.

Few people have mentioned that it might have got a bit to Julio Inglasius.

And politely, a couple of people did talk to me at the recent Piston Heads event and say,

yeah, it was, it didn't have a lot of car detail in that one.

So I just want to first say sorry about that extended Julio content.

And in my hand, I have a copy of AutoCar.

So to quickly balance it, I just wanted to tell you that Mercedes are going to be continuing

because of demand the A-Class until 2028.

Okay?

I didn't know that.

The new Citroen C5 Aircross is going to be 30 grand and it's the flagship, the SUV, the Aircross.

And it's going to be a hybrid or you can get an EV with 207 horses.

It's entirely up to you.

30 grand?

Yeah.

I don't want to sound like a sleeve, but that sounds quite cheap.

Cars these days are expensive.

It starts at 30,400.

That gets you the 143 horsepower hybrid and then it goes up to the, oh no, it goes up to 39 grand

if you want the really high trim level of the EV, I think.

Did you find these days you'll sort of go, oh, I wonder what a mid-range Kia seed costs

and it turns out that it's 30 grand.

I'm not sure if that is true.

Yes.

I should probably look at this up.

But you know, it's in a world where like a Golf GTI, always my benchmark for what things

cost for some reason and a Golf GTI is what 40 grand car now.

Golf Rs 50,000.

Yeah, yeah.

And then you get into the Audi's.

So your type Rs 50,000.

Well, pour one out for the Civic Type R because that's it, isn't it?

It's going.

I know, I've got a friend, sweet sweet guy who sells prestige cars for a living.

High down.

Yeah.

And he recently took delivery of his brand new Civic Type R because although he sells

things like Aston's and Koenig's eggs all week, he said, I just think this is it.

I've got to do it.

If I don't do it now, it'll never happen.

So he's got himself a immaculate box fresh championship white Civic R.

And I said, I don't think you're going to be disappointed with that.

I think it's a very, very enjoyable package of a car.

Well, did I talk on the podcast about the week I had with a Civic Type R quite recently,

this year, because I had never driven the new shape one.

And you said to me, oh, it's brilliant.

Yeah, I think you I think you mentioned because you only had one small gripe about it,

which was the overspeed warning binger that's now mandatory or mandatory depending on how

you answer is the only car I've driven to date where you absolutely cannot turn it off

at all.

That is sad.

If it worked perfectly and you complain about it, then well, you're breaking the speed

limit.

You don't really have a leg to stand on unfortunately.

But they don't work properly and the one of the Honda doesn't work properly.

They miss read signs.

They misunderstand where you are.

And so it'll start binging.

I mean, a classic one is all they're just slow on the uptake.

So you come out of a 30 zone through a village onto a national speed limit road.

You so, you know, particularly in a car like that, you probably bang it down a gear or

two and off you go.

But the car is still playing catch up.

And it's being being being like, no, I'm not breaking the law.

I'm accelerating up to 60, but you still think it's a 30.

And it's that kind of annoyance.

And the binging was annoying because it's meant to be.

But actually counterintuitive because eventually you tune it out.

I think double checked with Honda and there is no way on that car to turn it off.

I think when it's one mile an hour over the speed limit, which is in my view a sort of

gray area, it's it's, is the speedo being real and honest?

Or is it just my interpretation of the speedo?

I think then there should be an easy listening sound that just kind of goes, look, you

are over, but I'm not going to go for the full bong yet.

Yeah.

All right.

The bong will come if you keep persisting in being disobedient.

But up until this point, I'm just going to do something else.

You're like a cat leaning on a synthesizer really gently.

You won't keep the change mode.

Yes.

You know, I had my haircut the other day of the barber in town is 18 quid.

Well, I've got a 20 pound note because they're cash only.

And yeah, it's the two quid is easy.

I'm sure that's sort of why they do it.

And so it's keep the change.

Keep the change, mate.

72 on the motorway.

Keep the change, mate.

Yeah.

I'm not going to bing at you.

It's like a friendly old school policeman.

Do you know why I've pulled you over?

Yes.

I think I was speeding a bit, officer.

You were actually, but because you've admitted it and you don't seem like a complete

night sleeve valve, I'm going to just say, please don't do it again.

And also check your tire pressures because the one on the near side looks soft.

All right.

The only thing in this, I think I read about this because I did a lot of Googling about

how to turn off the speed warning in a Civic Type R before finding that you can't.

I double checked with Honda and they said, no, you can't.

It seems like the binger only came in last year.

So you could buy a second hand outgoing shaped Civic Type R and enjoy it without the

sometimes incorrect binging.

Yeah.

I didn't tell you about it.

So I've actually, I've driven a few cars in the past few weeks that I haven't really

mentioned one of them.

This is pertinent to another podcast.

I was on the Top Decentre podcast, Cream, a couple of months ago, and I was talking

to them about this car that was haunting me around the streets of Bath Bar because

I couldn't identify what it was.

And I thought it was something new from China that I'd just not been paying

attention to.

I finally figured out it's got a very Jeep like grill, but it wasn't a Jeep.

And the DRLs look a bit sort of Land Rover shaped, definitely not a Land Rover.

And it really confused me until I found out it was a KGM Torres.

Have you seen these?

KGM is what used to be Sanyong, so it's not Chinese, it's South Korean.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

So then curiosity got the better of me and I booked in a KGM Torres because I'd

mentioned it to The Sunday Times and they said, yeah, do us a review of it.

And it's actually, it's a very old school car because although it's quite new, it

only came out, actually came out last year, but nobody seemed to notice.

It looks, you know, it sort of seems superficially modern and inside it's

got a big screen so you know it's a modern car.

But weirdly, it's got a separate chassis still.

So it's quite old school, yeah.

And you can get a fully electric one, but the one I borrowed is the petrol.

It's a 1.5 turbo, no hybrid system, no electricityness at all.

It is just an old school petrol separate chassis SUV.

So is it the replacement for the Corando?

Not really, no.

Sanyong or KGM have this surprisingly large range now, which is odd because they are

one of the lowest selling car makes in Britain.

Well, they were last year anyway.

Perhaps I'll change now they've got more cars.

But yeah, they're sort of bobbing along the bottom selling like 1,000, 2,000 cars a year

here along with like DS and Alfa Romeo and all the other people who are doing

tragically badly.

But some of those deserve to be doing bad.

Well, exactly.

Yeah, it's like you're architects of your own failure here.

But KGM seem plucky like they're trying their best.

This Torres, actually, I found it quite likable almost because it's so sort of old school.

Yeah.

I mean, it doesn't feel really sort of separate chassis.

It's only sometimes it gets a bit wandering and but otherwise it's fine.

And actually it sort of feels quite tough.

Like it's got this of the way it rides bumps.

The ride's not particularly smooth, but it just feels like it's sort of got

an unbreakableness to it.

And yeah, I actually sort of quite liked it in a weird kind of way.

And then the only thing that was not to my taste and again couldn't get the speed limit

entirely right all the time is the speed bonger, which was so loud and urgent.

So the first time it goes off, you're convinced that someone's got like a missile

trained at you or something.

It's just it sounds like you're on a fucking submarine.

Hop, hop, hop.

Oh my God, what's happening?

And it's just because it thinks you're in a 20 zone, but you're not.

Do you know what?

I'm intrigued now.

I think I'm going to have to put one in.

But the only thing is, is whenever you mention the name, it makes me think of

Welcome to KGM Tara's late night radio.

Yes.

Okay, we're going to be playing some Linus Skinner and then we're

we'll go straight into some Banjoey.

Those American registrations they are always KYZDX.

There is a system apparently, depending where in the United States it is

the code that that KZW...

Yeah, there's some system and I can't remember.

I read about it once.

I don't know how it works.

It's like the American football rulebook.

It's only about 200 people understand it.

Why have they stopped this time?

Because I only stopped five seconds ago.

I know they stopped again.

Good.

Oh, because they've stopped this time so that they can advertise

some luridly colored drink to us.

Right.

I've just popped onto the KGM motors website because

Yes.

What we do on the show.

Do you see all the cars they make now?

Yeah.

I am looking at their new vehicle lineup.

Yeah.

But before I talk about that, I quickly clicked Tara's

36,700 pounds on the road.

And it says, it says,

Unexpected adventure, bold, rugged, confident.

Tara's has been designed from the ground up

for your next adventure with its three dimensional

headlights and daytime running lights, LED rear lights

and spare wheel cover inspired tailgate.

It looks like every bit like the authentic SUV,

double 12.3 inch displays, 1662 load space,

mood lighting and 1.5 ton towing limit.

But there's some logos and next to 1.5 ton towing limit.

Let's just say it looks like someone's had

an industrial weight dropped on their penis.

You have to look at this image to understand.

It looks like a large scale weight has been

dropped on a cock.

Right.

Okay.

Hang on.

Where am I going?

See, Mike won't go on.

Here I am on the occasion.

So it's not a freaking KGM advert.

It's people's...

It's not.

We're just...

This is...

Where am I looking?

Oh, I see.

Right.

Okay.

Yes, I see.

The KGM tires.

We've got a color on color number one.

Because they're quite proud of the fact this car

has a 1.5 ton towing limit.

But that's...

I don't think that's amazing for the size of car.

I mean, its engine's not massive.

It doesn't seem high, but it doesn't seem high.

That's okay for average caravans.

Yeah.

I mean, considering it's got a separate chassis,

you think it might be a little bit better than,

you know, equivalent monocoque.

It's got a frowning face.

Like it's...

Like a transformer robot.

You know when they bend down and lean into the human

to listen carefully?

I will destroy you.

That's right.

Just before they do that.

That's what the Taurus looks like.

Yeah.

I don't find it a bad looking thing.

It's sort of...

It's kind of generic in places,

but overall it's quite handsome.

In fact, I was driving it

and I happened to have a coffee with a mate of ours.

And he came back to the car park with me

as we were leaving to get in his car,

saw what I was getting into and went,

what's that?

Which everyone does,

because nobody's heard of a KGM Taurus.

No.

And I chained him round it

and he was like,

he was really impressed with it,

which I was quite surprised,

because he's a car person of sorts.

And so, you know,

he knows a bit about cars

and yeah, he didn't go,

ugh, just generic SUV nonsense.

The one thing about the design that is terrible

is that the rear number plate is very,

very slightly offset.

Not even disco five.

It's just,

it just looks like it's been put on badly,

but actually...

BMW E12 exhaust, kind of.

Yes, exactly.

We just go, just commit.

Either go fully offset or central.

Don't do this half-assed nonsense.

Yeah, it's really weird.

It's because there's a fake spare wheel bulge

in the tailgate that's nothing

to do with the spare wheel.

And then the handle is offset

to make it look like a side hinge tailgate.

Actually, it's top hinger

because it's powered.

Yeah.

And so the plate sort of then has been

slightly knocked off to the left

to make all this work.

And it's just,

it makes your eye twitch.

Otherwise, no.

It's weirdly,

it's one of those cars we just go,

I didn't even know what it was

when I saw one

and now I do know what it is

and actually it's sort of all right

and I can't really add any more than that.

Also in auto car,

just in case we start talking

about Eulio Iglesias,

I don't know about you, Rich,

but we were busy at Goodwood

Festival of Speed, FOS.

Yeah, yeah.

And

didn't see that Toyota

had on display their fuel cell

Hilux

concept

and their fuel cell Hilux,

it has a bear chassis on display,

so it showed where all the

hydrogen packaging was.

And I'm annoyed

because I would have liked to have seen that

but we didn't.

And so that's that.

But there's some details of it

in auto car.

It's got a range of

373 miles,

I think, got three

hydrogen-pressured vessels,

each vessel carrying

2.6 kilos of

gassy gas.

Yeah.

And there's now what,

one place in Britain

where you can refuel it?

Yeah, I just want to throw that

little reminder out to all the

people that shout at me

for thinking that EVs are

quite a good idea.

They say that hydrogen's coming

and I'll wait for that.

Okay, here's the score.

I drove a hydrogen-powered Mercedes

in California

in about 2008

and it was fine.

It was just fine.

But there was one place to fill it up

and bearing in mind

the NHS is broken

and local councils haven't even got the money to fill

in potholes.

Why would we then invest

in putting hydrogen filling stations

everywhere in the whole country,

especially near houses

where they are essentially large bombs?

Yeah.

It's not going to happen.

It's going to be for depot, fill, vans

and fleet trucks

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I know it's because the people

who tend to go on

about hydrogen being the future

are the people who sort of

gleefully

seize upon a story of an electric car

catching fire. You see, they're dangerous.

Are they more dangerous than moving around

a famously

quite hard-to-handle

liquid

such as hydrogen?

I don't know about you, but hydrogen tank

is all over the roads of Britain.

That's going to be fine. Obviously it can be

made safe, but it's very expensive

and complicated to do so.

When people wang on about hydrogen

which are not electricity,

I think they're forgetting that

most hydrogen cars

are in fact electric cars.

They're just using an onboard generator

that runs on hydrogen.

I think these people are confusing this with

you can just run an internal combustion engine

on hydrogen. That Alpine concept

that was at Goodwood does that.

But that is not the way in which

those car manufacturers

that are still pursuing hydrogen R&D

are generally thinking.

It's a fuel cell

that generates electricity.

So you're getting the same experience.

I don't know where these people think

the advantage is, except that it's using

a harder to transport and distribute

fuel source.

The end result is broadly the same.

I think they just wedded to the idea of having

a highly flammable liquid on board with them

and their children.

I think it's just convenient for them to say that

because it throws the bone further away.

Those people are the same

people who, if that new hydrogen car

costs more than 14,000 quid,

they'll be like, nah, that's

ridiculous. I'm keeping my car that I've already got.

So they're not exactly going to be feeding

the economy of the automotive industry, are they?

It's sort of like those people who have

an absolute thrombo about the way

that Jaguar is going and then go, I can't

believe it. They want to get back to be proper Jaguars.

How many Jags have you bought?

None. Ever. Anyway.

We digress.

We've talked about cars for 19 minutes.

We're going to carry on talking about cars as well

because I haven't talked about

the Morgan Supersport

what I drove last month

which was

delightful

in a number of ways.

It's funny because

I don't have a great experience

of driving old Morgans but I've read

enough about them to know that for one thing

they always famously had an extremely hard

ride.

The Supersport

in terms has a very

decent ride but it is

for my taste still quite sort of jiggly

but

the chassis itself is good.

It's quite agile because it's light.

It's a really light car

and

as a result of that

you can really chuck it around

plus you get that

sensation of your ass

being right on the rear axle but then the front axle

being quite far away

so

just the way that the car sort of turns

and pivots

is actually not like

anything else

but because it's 1170 kilos

curb weight.

For a modern car that's featherweight.

It's really light

and it's got the

3.0-litre twin-turbo B&W

straight 6 in it

which is 335 horsepower so

it gets a clip on

that ZF-8 speed auto box

which loads of people use

which is very good.

I mentioned this to a mate of mine

he was like don't they do a manual?

I was like no they don't because

just like Ferrari and B&W and actually

increasingly Porsche these days

they're finding that no one orders a manual when they offer it

relatively few people do

so for this

it just wasn't worth the extra effort

to engineer one but

because the car has that sort of

look in Alpine A110 as a great

case in point there's a sort of weird

sensation of sort of like frictionlessness

to the way it gathers speed.

Yes I know exactly what you mean.

The Morgan has that

and because that 8 speed is so good

if you just leave it to its own devices

it's got so many gears to choose from

it just sort of it contributes that feeling

of seamlessly just

moving forward at an increasing speed.

It's like a really

a London underground train

with a bit of a station with a bit of a lick on

I'm always surprised

about how quick they can accelerate

especially like 0 to 40

I was at the London underground the other week

and I was like wow this is way quicker than I was expecting

and you hear it step through some

gears as such

they're not gears but I guess

voltage or amperage changes.

I think it's that thing of it's uninterrupted

gathering of pace

and that ZF box is so good at just

changing very smoothly and because it's only

working in relatively small increments

because it's got 8 gears

you don't have to get the sense of it

so it's not like ahhh

it just don't don't don't get up the box

really smoothly.

That car will be quick, really quick.

It is quick, no it is.

In a delightful and easy going way

someone at Morgan told me

that as part of the engine supply deal

with BNW

Morgan gets to use BNW test facilities

to you know get the cars set up

do their own programming

and I suppose all the homologation things

and whenever they go down to

BNW's test track in the south of France

I think they have a place in Spain as well

apparently

they get loads of BNW engineers

queuing up to have a go

in

Morgan's. I love that.

They just absolutely love how their engines feel

in lightweight

small roadsters

and BNW doesn't you know

it reminds you

that you can

put an engine in various different cars

and it just suddenly feels like

a totally different beast

because it is a different package

and it's a reminder that

lightness is the king

not just brute power

and all that.

It's funny because the engine

in the Morgan

doesn't feel brutish

it's very smooth

strong

and about right as well

you're never craving more power but you're enjoying what you've got

you're not wishing you don't think it's overpowered

the way that

it's put together as well feels really good

and

everybody that

asked about it

they inevitably they go

how much is it and you have to go well

basically it's 102 grand and they all go

ooh

the only people who didn't

have the chaps at retro power

who

know a thing or two about

hand making

things to a beautiful level of quality and finish

and I went to see them

when I had the Morgan and they poked around it

and they were really impressed with the way it was made

and when I told them the price they were like

well actually you know they didn't suck air

and they almost thought it was quite reasonable

because they could tell how much work

has to go into that

I completely agree given

now you can get

you don't get a lot of

car for 100 grand

there's not a lot of special cars

really really special cars

for 100 grand which seems daft

but

this is a

it's a hand built artisan car

that's what it is

the finish feels interior

I love the interior very simple

design

but very tasteful very nicely done

it's

it's nice to look at

but it also just all feels really well

put together

and the exterior

is I think just absolutely terrific

looking you know it's recognizably a Morgan

but there is a source of

modernity to it and the detailing

and things

when we did our live show at the factory

they've got an aero max in their little

sort of museum bit

and it looks

incredibly crude and

clunky in the way that the body

is sculpted compared to the supersport

because

the aero max is basically Charles Morgan

drawing on the back of an envelope I think

and the supersport they've got a proper design department

now and you can tell it's just been finessed

it is a really really nice bit of design

and

I cannot think of another car

that I've driven

possibly ever

that gets so much positive attention

unbelievable it actually

I had to drive up to

North Wales to do the Garrett Jones on speed

20th anniversary show

when I had the car and the journey

took at least half an hour

longer because I stopped

twice and both times I got into

a conversation with somebody who really really wanted

to find out more about it

it's just that kind of car if you're driving it

you've got the roof down people shout nice

things at you

they come over yeah no it's

I think it's I did not

there's not a single person that didn't

like it and it feels

like you just get unsolicited compliments

wherever you go and like I genuinely saw

a little boy like jump up and down and point with excitement

like something out of an advert it's

it's unbelievable and so

I've just written my Evo column about this

it's like 102 grand

basic and then you want some options on it it's like

you know you can have

sort of free to your exhaust and things like that

and so you could end up spending

120 130

I'd want

some airbrushing

on the sides of the

I guess a misty dawn

scene

of the Malvern Hills

okay

but I'd want somebody stood on the top of that hill

raising a hunting horn

to their lips

but you can only see that

if you look very carefully so that's like

the little Easter egg there

that's what I want and then it would have a name

so every Morgan that gets ordered

even if you didn't want to call your Morgan

a name they make you

give it a name and it's a bit like a porn name

they go right what was

your first pet right what was your mum's maiden name

and then that's like

that's the name of this

Morgan and they'll airbrush it onto the boot lid

oh like a canal boat exactly

yeah exactly yeah let's porn name more canal boat

let's let's go down that road

yeah so just like that

the one I borrowed was

this very zingy sort of

coppery orangey colour

which really suited it and really got attention

and again lots of the people that I ended up speaking to

well I had that car really like the colour

so I think I'd be tempted

to have it in that but you can

you know you can get whatever you want

but I realised so 102 basic but then obviously

it's going to be like 120 with some nice options

is a sort of that's 9-11

Carrera a 9-11 Carrera

is a more competent all

sports car and probably a more practical

car because you can get kids in the back seat

and the Morgan's got a boot for the first time

it does yeah I got a backpack

in there for a weekend away and that was

that was okay but obviously 9-11's got

that big well under the front

but a 9-11

doesn't

get you into conversations with enthusiastic strangers

it doesn't get people shouting

nice car mate at you

it's you know it's a 9-11 it is a nice

car but no one really cares it's also got

a bit too big the Morgan's

it's actually weirdly

it's quite narrow still yeah

and so which is nice

they said about this car

that they wanted it to be

a second car where traditionally

Morgan's are third fourth or fifth cars

you know you've got a collection and this

slots in somewhere for summer days

they'd like it to be more usable and it is

I did loads of miles I did 800 miles

in it and

it's comfortable you can do that

it's noisy that's the only thing

at speed on the motorway of the roof up it's

noisier than my defender

the solution is to put the roof down

and just enjoy being blown

around and you don't care

and when you get slow down

in a traffic jam like a truck driver will

lean out and go I love that car

so you know it's that kind of thing

it's a happy car I think the two car

package for eternal

smiles and general

motoring positive

remarks it probably be the Renault 5

because the Renault 5 gets the

same response from a lot of people

you get lots of people like I've said

before doing the whole listen I'm not

really into electric cars but long

pause yeah I actually really like

these and I think that I'm going to get one

or my wife really wants one and we've already

got you know two cars so I think this will

work and

so if you had a Morgan

super spouse and

then ordered a Renault 5 both

happy

bright colors

you might end up having the most jolly

new automotive

experience of your life

I think so and you realize

when you drive a car like that how much

it actually probably

contributes to your general

sort of well-being

and sense of happiness because you're

bringing happiness to others

and in a weird sort of way that matters

more than finer nuances of on-limit

handling well it's a bit like smiling

at people smiling at people makes

people smile back at you most of the time

it's not guaranteed obviously no

but it's infectious it's infectious

yes absolutely no I agree so

that's it the Morgan is it's like going

around smiling at people in a friendly sort of

unthreatening way because it seems

to bring joy to the world so for that

alone in fact it is it is a decent

car that's the thing it is nice to drive

it's comfortable I did later miles in it

and and sort of

loved it more by the end than I did at the beginning

which is always a good sign that's brilliant start to

piss me off so no I got rather attached

to it in fact and that's just partly

because I like the fact that it seems to bring joy

something I forgot

to mention a few weeks back

was the sad

passing of

Mr. Tamir

Mr. S. Tamir yes I

didn't put anything on on social media

or anything I think I just

I think I just

was sad in silence really

because

Mr. Tamir

died on

18th of July I think it was at the age of 90

so he he lived to a good age

and he I think he was working

up until

he died so he didn't really retire

yeah so he let

other members of his family take over

doing more major roles

because it's still a family business Tamir

and

he was always involved

always always involved and he started

he was appointed the president

of the plastic model company

in 1977

and I think

I might be wrong

I think that's the year

he bought a new 9-11

and then totally dismantled it

so they could measure it and make

a model of it and then couldn't work

out how to put it back together

and then had to phone

video Porsche and went

can you just go and have a look at my Porsche please

and there was that

story because I met him

I was really lucky I met him in

2010

2009 and interviewed him for about an hour

and a half I've got an audiophile somewhere

with that conversation

and this was for a magazine but he was

such a passionate

lovely guy and I think

well I think I speak for quite a lot

of people who say that

the legacy he has left

is

it was the

gateway drug into cars

and machines

for a lot of people

either as a little plastic scale

model or a radio control

model and

to this day

me

as a middle aged man my dad

as an older guy and lots and lots

my son who's 13

and many many people I get to

meet doing the job that we

do

have been heavily influenced by Tamiya

and so I just want to say thank you

to Tamiya for being just

one of those businesses one of those brands

that just continues

to inspire people and it's just

I don't know why

it's a bit like the moped conversation we had

on stage at Piston

Heads annual service

there's something still aspirational

even if you

even if you own real cars

and you have like

some actual money you still go

oh I'd really like to build

a little kit of a

I don't know Honda S600

or

this or that and you just go yeah

you could just buy it oh yeah I could just buy it

I could think I'm going to afford that that's a hundred pounds

okay and

I love that and every

Christmas I try to build

something and it's

and it is talking of like well-being

there is something about it

that's a bit like that

it's the table top

modelling

equivalent to sort of going and gardening

getting your fingers in the soil

it's something very good about it

so I've

this week I haven't had a chance to do it

I'll be charging my

loz in shaped 7.2

volt battery packs and going out for

a blast in an RC car

in I think his

Christian name was Shinsaku

but he was lovely, Mr. S

rest in peace and

a salute to all

Tamiya aficionados

out there

on that side of things. Nice words mate, thank you for that

I was going to ask you

I changed the subject a bit but since you mentioned it

have you recovered from piston heads

on your service yet? No I'm still

incredibly lethargic

although because it was a great event

and because it's a one-dayer

it's a

it's a packed one-dayer

isn't it?

Really was but

holy mustard the range

of cars on display

and we didn't ever really talk about

like as in you and me didn't talk

off-mic about that

Alpha Tipo 33 Stradale

that was just sort of casually there

near our stand and our cars

oh my gosh. Which is that

recreation one that's got

I think a Ferrari V8 in a six-speed manual box

and it just looks absolutely

beautiful I mean that's one of my

if not my favourite looking car of all time

well I'm with you

I think Gordon Murray would probably

be inclined to agree with you

what annoyed me is that one of the questions

that we had in the Q&A

when we were doing the live show was

if you could take one of the cars that you see around you

and drive it every

day and look after it for three years

what would it be

you know when you get asked a question and you go blank

I went a bit blank if I'm completely

honest

and then afterwards

afterwards I had to pop to the loo

and on the way back from the toilets I went

oh my gosh there's that Aston Martin Zegato

you know the shooting break

I bloody love that car I would have had that

why didn't I tell him that

what a complete wand

yes well likewise

who's it made by

the PPW is the company

that's doing those

TP33

recreations

the weird thing again I'm going to sound like an absolute

sleeve saying this but I thought it's quite cheap

because it's

about 540,000

pounds plus that

who are you Harry Metcalf

what's going on

half a million pounds seems like good value

well what everything's a million quid now

surely you know every

super car and I just saw

what's that thing that was announced just

last week

is Garagisti, have you seen this?

Garagisti GP1

Garagisti

and it's a nice looking car

it has a whiff of

AI about it in as much as it looks

sort of like lots of other cars

mashed together

kind of Lamborghini-ish wheels

and various other details seem to be from other things

but the shtick is

it's analog

in inverted commas as in

it's got a naturally aspirated V12

which they're making themselves

and a manual box

but it's like 2.5 million

plus that

and

well of course it is because

if you're developing an engine that's expensive

and all Gordon Murray stuff is well into the millions

and understandably so

so

to have if it's as good as it looks

this recreation of

the best looking car ever

with a more modern engine but still a manual box

and a beautifully

done interior by the looks of it

for what's that

so

550,000 pounds say plus

plus the dreaded mate

plus the dreaded

let's just round it out because you're going to want some options

it's a 700 grand it's like

that's a lot of money but in the general scheme of things

it's

it's cheaper than

whatever garage Eastie thing

or a Koenigsegg

or a or that

what's that I think we saw the new Zenvo

we saw it good words

that's the seven figures isn't it so

and I think I would have this

alpha

recreation over all of them just because it's so beautiful

I think there's a lot to be said for that

for that a lot to be said

I didn't get close enough to see it

because we were talking to lots of people and I'm a bit annoyed

but maybe you're right half a million quid

doesn't seem that bad

it wasn't one that I

saw at Piston Heads but it's made me think about

the Lancia Stratos

recreations

and those are beautifully made

better than the original

not difficult to do

but really really beautiful made

and I think you could throw everything at it

and one of those and they're still

under a hundred

I want to say they're under a hundred

and again a car that you could genuinely drive the wheels

off and enjoy because it's small

and I don't think anyone's going to look at that

and go that's shit

I just don't think they are

because according to Watercar

rustling papers because we're doing

a really curry podcast to date guys

the new Lamborghini

Demerario

sugar

that's two and that hybrid

thing

that's 260 grand

and I'm sure it's a very

good car

it's got nearly a thousand horsepower

and three electric motors

twin turbo v8

it does 213 miles an hour

but it's a mass produced

car and it will be

they're going to make a shit load of them

and therefore the people that chase

that sort of car want

exclusivity and they've immediately

not going to have it because

these Ferraris and Lambos that used to be

in our youth

where they used to make I don't know

a thousand of them over five years

that how many of those are they going to make

a month a thousand

well this is it isn't it

because the Gallardo

quite quickly became the most

produced Lamborghini ever

and then I think

the Huracan overtook that from memory

and now the Urus has overtaken both

but so yeah they

churn them out easily they'll make 10,000 of those

so therefore

it is a lot I think

so therefore I think

what I'm trying to say

is when you see one

the theatre of seeing one of

those cars out in the wild

is not quite as heighted as it would have been

back in the day

or if you were to see

a car like

the two cars we just mentioned

the Alpha Tipo 33

recreation and the Stratos

recreation and those sorts of

things

I'm just waiting for someone to do

a recreation of the Panther 6

so I can just it'll happen do you think so

no

it'll happen because you've done it

that's what I was going to say

it'll happen because you'll do it

there's a lot of

there's a lot of people that listen to this

podcast thank goodness who are

intelligent and

connected guys connected

and

if we could work out where the moulds

are and work out a costing

of

making a Panther 6 or

3 again

and you could put instead of putting that Cadillac

V8 in it let's just keep it simple

put an LS in it a crate LS

readily available

is this going to be

really really awful or is this actually

going to be a thing because I'm serious

I dream about that car

because there's enough of a whiff

of Lady Penelope about it let's not be rude

you know what I mean enough of a whiff

about Thunderbird Fab 1 about it

that ticks that box for me

and the fact that it has just such

mad theatre and you could put it on

those sort of Corvette C4

Magi Mix

style alloy wheels which I think look amazing

and I just I don't know Rich

I just want one

am I mad

I mean you realise of course

we've mentioned them already once in this show

but Retro Power could make you one

it's just that you know obviously

they'd have to spend quite a lot of time

and it would cost you quite a lot of money but you know

one day

I just looked this up there's an official

announcement here from Lamborghini from

2019

that at that point

they're announcing they built

22 Huracans

thereby matching

the Gallardo Total Production

run

so 14,000 of 22 of Gallardo's were made

over 10 years

in just 5 years

they made the same number of

Huracans and in fact

by

2022 I think

they had made 20,000 Huracans

and it was still in production at that point

so yeah a lot of Huracans out there

the Demerara Sugar to follow that

I read

my sometime colleague Richard Meaden

in Evo reviewing

the new hybrid

sugar and

I think his general vibe was that it felt a bit

less exciting than you'd hope

considering that it's got a V8

that revs to 10,000

you'd think it'd be pretty sort of

tingly but it doesn't sound like it

sounds like it's a bit sort of

I think he was sort of suggesting it's a bit

more like an R8

and of course there was supposed to be an R8

sister

how do you decide not to bother this time round

I wonder if some of the DNA rubbed off

that's a surprise to me

and I'm sure there's reasons

unless I'm missing a link here

how do you're going into Formula 1

right?

yeah

you don't remember we talked about it

while we were recording we talked about it

when you and I were just muttering on the way to the toilet

for a coffee

and we were saying like back in the old days

companies

brands would compete

in a motorsport to directly

sell a product

and it doesn't really happen

anymore so much

there's not as much of a direct sell

like hey we're

I don't know let's just put this out there

hey we're Peugeot and we're going to do

we're going to rally the 205

and then you can go and buy

the 205

all the T16 let's say

whereas now

there's not a lot of that going on

but if Audi say go into Formula 1

and you can't buy

a lightweight supercar

thing Audi

what's it all about

well I think it's this sort of more

holistic approach to marketing isn't it

like the way that Coca-Cola constantly

advertises

and it's weird because everybody's heard

Coca-Cola why are you bothering

you spend a fortune just reminding us you exist

but that's sort of it isn't it

so that you're there forever in people's consciousness

and I think it's probably the same with

say Audi and F1

they just want you to keep going Audi, Audi, Audi

so then finally when you go

I need a new car and a small hatchback

what do they make

there's an A1 and an A2

I thought the Coca-Cola holidays

are coming advert I thought they were bankrolled

by dentists like a conglomerate of dentists

yes who want the work they probably are

I always think that about America and that

absolute grot they put in a lot of their food

that it's some kind of terrible conspiracy

with the healthcare companies over there

to make sure you get ill at some point from a poor diet

that may be a conspiracy theory

too far

I don't know

I wanted to read out an email

talking as we were about annual service

from a listener called Steve because

he sent us an email afterwards

entitled Apologies

but I wanted to apologise back to him because he said

I just want to take this opportunity to say

sorry it's been playing on my mind

ever since your live performance at Bista Motion

there you both were on stage

in full confusing flow

with the bewildered crowd in the palm of your hand

along with my son and I

my son only 21

is heavily into cars but not a podcast listener

and had absolutely no idea

what the hell you guys were going on about

and won't be listening again

it sounds like it

Steve says not wanting to appear rude

I didn't want to just walk off with him

to go and look at the mass of cars

scattered around the site

in case one of you caught my eye

however as a regular listener I thought ok

I can listen to the podcaster to later date

so let's sneak off

just as I started to sidestep away from the crowd

I thought Richard caught my shifty gaze

and he looked slightly disappointed

I really felt guilty about walking away

while you're in full flow

but my son was getting itchy feet

this was in no way a reflection of your performance

as I'm a fan of the podcast

I fully appreciate how difficult it must be

to entertain a crowd of people from such a mixed background

knowing the style of your show

so please accept my apology

make me feel better about myself please

well Steve it's absolutely fine

there's no need to apologize I wanted to apologize

because I feel like I did catch someone's eye

in fact it was two people and it probably

was Steve and his son because this all sort of

seems familiar

and I hope I didn't look disappointed

my disappointment was because I was like

uh oh finally

someone has decided to leave during the show

once they go that's it

the exes will start because everyone else will go

oh you can leave brilliant

and they'll all go which was my big fear

that we just sort of lose the entire crowd

so

I wasn't personally disappointed with you Steve

I was more disappointed at what I thought was the inevitable

happening of the whole audience

just about to bugger off

thankfully didn't happen

I'm sure people were thinking it

well we just didn't know the audience did we

I mean we didn't

normally when we do a live event

we people pay to come to our live event

and so we know that they actually want to

whereas we were embedded

within the

within the orbit of this

of this show

best emotion the piston head show

so we just weren't sure whether people

just went well there's two like

weirdos on stage with

a BMW M5 behind one of them

and a Persia 106 behind the other one

and I don't know one of them's got

small what looks like ammunition

case that he produced a very creepy

mask from

and if I was in the audience

I probably wouldn't watch that

or listen

not when there was so much else to look

at that was all so

amazing and nice that yeah

I'd um

I would have gone

T-Po 33 thing

fortunately

many people there were more patient

so yeah I want to say another big thank

you to the piston heads for having us there

and for putting on such a great show it was genuinely amazing

to see so many things

of such a range on display

including hello to the chaps

I talked to Metro people

there were Metro people there and we had

a good chat

and one of them

I'm not going to say his name actually but one of them is

turns out to be

a guy that I've heard about from another

Metro person by email

who

I'm not going to say his name

we Metro people are a secretive bunch but

one of these guys is

the legendary

holder of many parts

who may be able to help if you can't get

a bit for a Metro that you're having

brought back to Road to the Condition

for example

Yeah he is

because so

one of the things actually that happened at

annual service was a lot of people

sidled over and went how's the Metro

so

just to reiterate the Metro is

fine it is up at

the Den in Hinckley sister

place 2 Retro Power that we've mentioned already

and they

have done a thorough assessment

of what is needed to make it as good as it can be

to be usable on the road so

it's had its suspension

spheres regassed properly

and they are back on the car

the starter motor is a way of being rebuilt at the moment

because

the guys at the Den said if we order a new

starter motor it will be rubbish

because they often are these days

the new built ones are just no good

quality wise so it's better to have the existing one

rebuilt by a guy they know

who is brilliant at that

and then they're going to start working through it

hoses and things like that that have gone a bit brittle

and the fuel system

so they've already said

I think I've got a lead on someone who's got some

bits and they went

yeah we might need that

because they've looked into what's off the shelf

and what's not but I've now

made actual in-person contact

with the man of many

parts hello sir you know who you are

and

hopefully that'll help with the process of getting the Metro

up together and on the road

well we've had

I'm looking forward to your driving on Metro

if you're rich I really am

can we say this as well

that we're going to make a film about it aren't we at some point

we're going to

because such is the popularity

and I think it deserves it because it's just

it's been really cool to see that that

video has had over a million views

and I would have never in a month of Sundays

predicted that

people cared enough about

a classic Metro

albeit the flagship

turbo model

it fills me with Geely

I even had a guy

who I've been trying to feature his car collection

for a long time

but he's never quite ready

Paul do you know who you are

and

he what's up to me

immediately and went

that Metro I want to buy it

how can I make this possible

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someone else

has

via a third party has made me an offer on it

as well quite a chunky offer

I mean

if I wanted to make a fast buck

I've been a way to do it

but I'm not selling

I bought the car because I want it

and I want to make it nice and use it

but yeah I know someone else

who's apparently a man of

significant means but had a metro as his first car

just went tell that guy who's bought that metro

I'll give him

it was quite a big number

did he say I'll swap my TPO 33

I've also got

just a fairly quirky looking Aston Martin

with a bread back on it

well

the funny thing was

that I got this message

it was actually

Callum who runs Retro Power

we keep mentioning this episode for some reason

but it was Callum who messaged me

he went to one of my clients

wanted to buy your turbo off you

and I was about to write back to Callum

this is no word of a lie

I was just about to type into my phone

I'm sorry it's not for sale

I didn't buy it to flip it

I just broke to add

unless of course an immaculate

maestro turbo comes along

and before I could type that

another mate totally separately

sent me a link to an immaculate

maestro turbo for sale

it was the spookiest thing

and I looked at it and went

actually that's not even true

I still want my metro turbo

over a maestro turbo

apparently there was a restored

maestro turbo at annual service

yeah it was meant to be really tidy

yes my metro friends told me about it

but it was out in the other bit

we didn't get to because we were too busy chatting

in the main area so yeah

I didn't get to see that

if we go back to annual service next year

and it's the same setup

I really want to go for a longer walk

just to have a look at stuff

I want to go for a long walk as well

that's what I'd like

I think what I'll do is I'll

I'll get some monstrous

B.O. on the go

and then

what's this sort of ward people off

yeah monstrous B.O.

and then I'll wipe like mayonnaise all over

my face

and put like a crocodile dundee hat on

and people will just be like I don't know who that person is

but they stink

I'm not going near them and I'll just walk around

and admire the cars get some pictures

I took about four pictures

I know I didn't

but luckily other people

that was a bit rubbish

I also

I did mention this in our live show from

annual service but I wanted to give another shout out

first of all to Steve

from Gion

because he's a listener

I sort of eludes this

there's a whole backstory to my

beat being detailed

by Jodie Clark down at Cornwall Car Care

which is that Steve's a long time listening to the show

when I bought my panda

he messaged and went

would you be interested

in getting the panda detailed

because we have

official partner

studios around

where you are and we

really love to show people

that any car can benefit from

having a full detailing it's not just super cars

the panda would be a brilliant example

and he said in fact we've got this idea

what we might do is we might get a Ferrari in one bay

and the panda in the other and sort of do them

in parallel and we'll film it

and we'll sort of make the point

it's like a whole range of cars

and I was like yep that sounds great

arranged

a date for this all to happen

and then the panda broke down

and it couldn't happen

and so

Steve very patiently went well you get the panda fixed

and we'll make another date I did that

it was like okay we're all set

so it's going to be in like weeks in advance

so we've got plenty of run up at this time

okay cool looking forward to it

and the panda broke down again

oh my word

Steve is a very patient man

and he went look you know these things happen

let's try and get this sorted

one more time and he booked it in

different date weeks in advance all good

is the panda okay yeah panda's good

good good good good good

and then that week it broke down again

and it was so embarrassing I had to say

to the guys I was like look

I can get it over to you somehow

if you're happy with it not running

we kind of like the cars to be running

so we can move them in and out of the bays

and things so it's a no from

I mean it's ridiculous can't believe

it was so embarrassing it was

ridiculously embarrassing that bloody car

just showing me up

so you're the sort of unfinished business

and bless him with the beats

he was like should we give this another go

because I got a guy he's one of our

certified G on detailing

specialists but he's in Cornwall

if you can get the beat down to Cornwall car care

Jody will do a bang up job

there's things he can do with a machine

polisher that defy

reason and low it came to pass

and for anyone who saw that

my car at Bista last week

you can see it's like

it's a shame he didn't do half of it

so you could see what it was like before

because it was a good ten foot of that car

when you got up close you saw how swirly it was

and how it had paint in places and things like that

and oh and one of the things he's done

beats are supposed to have the stickers

on the rear wings behind the front doors

that say beat and then midship

amusement underneath them

it's so good and because

my car had had paint those stickers had disappeared

been peeled off

I got some new stickers

but I was putting off putting them on because I knew

it was going away to be made nice

but also because I was like I'll cock this up

and get a bubble in them or something

so bless him I asked Jody if he'd stick him

on once he'd polished the car and he's done it

just the finishing touch I'm so happy

that it's got midship amusement right now again

oh and the other thing

because beats are supposed to have a black screen

surround and it's a decal

and over time

they go a bit manky and start peeling away

which is what's happened on mine so the previous

owner he told me him and his son

spent an entire afternoon peeling it all off

because it looked so cack

but unfortunately

it looked

pretty manky still

got all bits of gumminess and the earth all around

and it was body colour which it shouldn't be

so it's one of the things

while it was down in Cornwall

they stuck some black PPF all around the screen

and it looks

factory again which has made me

really happy as well

so I just want to say a massive shout out

to Jody at Cornwall Car Care

for making my beat look absolutely amazing

and cheers to Steve at Geon

for facilitating that

I'm very very happy with it

I'm pleased that you're pleased

there were two things I wanted to mention

one of them is

just before we started

recording drop the eagle

off to have its tracking done

oh yes

you could say

I've dropped it off for some tracking work

so I think that's exactly what's getting up

so by the end of today the steering wheel will be straight

it will stop in a straight line

you will be able to drive along the motorway

and let go of the steering wheel and it will be straight

driving the eagle now it's got new wishbones

new track rods

new brakes

it's just it's actually

I know it sounds a bit daft

but it's quite peppy

it's quite peppy

the other thing I wanted to say was

we had a letter

a few weeks back from a Patreon

and I want to say as always thanks to every

Patreon who supports this channel

because it means an awful lot

we don't know why you do it

but thank you

from Noel Huggit

who's a long time

he said

hi SSG

just subjected my hearing bones

to the latest podcast

I was delighted to hear Johnny refer to

literally to be fair guy

I thought I was the only one who knew someone

that said that I have a current pupil

Noel's a driving instructor

who I'm teaching

who constantly uses the phrase

totally out of context

he doesn't seem to realise

he's saying it so often

in the space of an hours driving lesson

I tallied up a total of

32 to be fairs

that's a lot

by extension it reminded me of a

Canadian comedy series on a streaming channel

called letter Kenny

and they address the usage of the to be fair

phrase

a few people have mentioned this

right good for a giggle

they've probably said if you've never heard of it

it's

you can watch one of their to be fair

scenes

it seems like it might be a running gag

but there's a whole scene where they're just doing to be fair

like a montage of to be fair as it's on youtube

I'll put a link for our patrons

but yes a few people have said

to be fair is a letter Kenny thing

I should check out this whole series

if it's on some platform somewhere

how many people aren't fair

I know to be unfair

I'd quite like to start employing that

it's a tyre place to try and get any tyre

but they haven't got any in stock and I think as a result

the whole place should be burned to the ground

to be unfair

idiot

you're such a float

you slide whistle

we should probably bring this to a close

but

before we do

three things I wanted to share with you

the first is that Johnny is engaged in

a new solo project to buy

jewelry melt it down

and then use it to make a life-size

shiny statue of the former lead singer of Marillion

under the working title Goldfish

if that's not to your text

then there is of course

the late break show

I didn't even see that coming

I felt so stupid

what's going on the late break show at the moment

I can't believe you're still thinking of them

with Sony at the end

the next video on the late break show

is a really cool

Saab barn find

haven't done a Saab before

and

it's a 72 Saab

and

a genuine one lady owner example

and I was absolutely

astounded

at the survivor quality

of this example

of this mark

and the weather was out

it was genuine barn find

in a real barn and also

it was right next to a collection of stationery engines

which I will

speak no more of

because we know what that involves

dirtiness, filth

speaking of which this very morning

sent an email to someone

about the next stage in our plans

for our Saab

and hello to Stephen

his wife who were at annual service

came over to say hello

the people who gave us

the Smith and Sif Saab

but yeah hopefully

some things will happen to that soon

we'll talk more about it soon I think won't we

and of course time for a service

we need to get that sorted out

but then we're also going to do some more things with it

so it's a lot of cool

second thing I wanted to say

is I keep mentioning

called copacetic and we've had a few people

going say that again please

because it's

it's not entirely clear what I'm saying

so it's called copacetic

issue two

should be out anytime now

if it's not already in which I

have written a whole thing about the

Nissan GTR R35

just left us after

100 years of production

so yeah

should I just spell it out

copacetic

magazine you can order it online

or you can find it in branches of Smiths

and other news agents

but Dan

the SSG who edits

copacetic and set it up

he just wanted to

check in that they are having their first

in-person

meeting on Friday

September the 5th at Caffeine

and Machine the Bowl the one in Bedfordshire

I can't make that sadly

because it's my wedding anniversary weekend

but you have or are interested in

tastefully modified cars

September the 5th at Caffeine and Machine

the Bowl copacetic we'll be having a get-together

the Bowl

and I'll leave you with the fact that

I realise the other day

when I'm driving the Eagle back from

Bicester

that the fuel gauge

doesn't just show full

half full etc etc

it shows liturage

which is very Germanic

and I take great pride in it

so full tank in the Eagle

it says 70 litres

and obviously and I don't know

whether that is

was common

or whether or not it was just that era of

General Motors I don't know

I like it though

it's sort of like when the S-class went to

a percentage fuel gauge

I guess maybe because they were confident enough

of the measure

alright well that's our third fact then

the 90s Vauxhall senator had a

fuel gauge that read in litres

it's better than the fact that I had

and that's it for this one

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