Are you down with OODA? | Elliot Weil

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I'm Mike.

I'm Aaron.

And this is P-Car Talk.

Right.

Welcome to another episode of P-Car Talk.

I'm Mike.

And I'm Aaron.

And we have special guest with us, Elliott Weil.

How are you doing, Elliott?

Hey, guys.

I'm doing good.

Just enjoying the December here.

Thanks for joining us tonight.

So a little bit of background on Elliott, and then we'll get into it.

Elliott owns and is the founder of Oda Motorsports, also a P-Car Club member, fellow enthusiast.

He's out on the West Coast.

We met in person at the last REN Sport.

Right?

Like, that was awesome, like, to get to actually talk to you and talk about cars and walk

around a little bit, even though the weather was a little drizzly and damp, I remember.

But that was fun to actually meet you there.

Yeah.

No, it was great.

It was great to get to meet you.

And I just remember listening to P-Car Talk on the older YouTube uploads, and I was, like,

one of the few people leaving comments.

They're still there.

I still got the record.

So, yeah, that was fun.

Nice.

Also, we'll get into your 997.23 RS, because you did a respray in a favorite color of yours,

and we'll get into why and all that good stuff.

So we're going to have a really good show.

But let's go ahead and get right into the meat and potatoes of it, the business side of it.

Tell us what Oda Motorsports is, why you founded it, and what led you to...

I know all the background, obviously, but none of the listeners do, and I think is incredibly

interesting.

And the why and the how behind all that stuff is really, really in the weeds, but in a good

way, because that's where we like to live in the weeds.

So this is information that's important to everybody that owns a 3RS Metzger engine,

correct?

Correct.

Yeah, it is.

Yeah.

So I think like for me, it definitely all started with the dream, which was the 997.2 RS was just

a car that I dreamed about owning and getting to drive and just to get to enjoy that whole

experience.

And I was fortunate enough in round 2021 able to close on a white and red 3RS 2011.

And part of my kind of dream in owning that was not so much a collectible, but into going

out and driving on the track and getting to increase my own driver skill and just experience

what that machine can deliver.

And I really gravitated towards that specific era because it's a balance of, I guess, aids

that you can turn off, but not overly electromechanical where the car is doing more driving for you.

And so that's how I landed on it.

And basically, I started tracking the car a lot.

I'm talking 10 to 15 days a year.

Nice.

And just really enjoying that and the learning process.

And one fateful day actually up in Canada, I was pulling into the pits after a session

and the engine just died.

And it happened so randomly, I thought that I had just actually stalled it.

Like it was just human error.

So I was just like, I was like, what the?

So then I just went to, you know, turn the key, like let's get it back up.

Like everything was great in the last session.

I was just in the pits at idle and the car just wouldn't start.

Like wouldn't even crank.

Wow.

So I'm like, oh, it must be a dead battery.

Something's wrong with the battery.

Get the jumper.

Try to jump the battery.

Nothing, nothing.

So I'm like, all right.

I don't know what's going on.

I tried two batteries.

I had jumped it.

Still nothing.

So I send it to a Porsche dealership up in Canada.

It's just the closest place.

And they inspected for me and they say, hey, we can't turn the engine over by hand.

Wow.

And I'm just like, oh, shit.

That's when you know that you're playing with some serious trouble.

And so I decided like, hey, let's get it sent back to Washington, which is where I live.

Go to my local mechanic.

Shout out to spec German.

And they tore open the engine.

And what do I find is a little piece of metal resting on the top of my piston.

And I get a picture from Jacob, the mechanic at spec German and the owner.

And he goes, what is this doing on your piston?

And I'm like, I have no idea.

And then he goes, looks inside the intake and inside these intakes, there's flaps.

And the flap had kind of fallen down was just sitting in the bottom of the intake.

And so that had failed.

And because it's in the intake path, the air literally sucks it into the piston when your engine is going through that the stroke.

And so then I was like, well, this sucks for one, because I'm had to fix this.

And like, I've heard about the coolant pipes, you know, like I felt like I had done my due diligence as an owner to try to like protect myself from a catastrophic failure.

Yeah, do you want me to keep going?

Yeah, please.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

And so I'm like starting doing this research online.

I'm on rental list pretty active.

And I start to notice like I find other hits on rental lists of other three RSS having the exact same issue.

Wow.

And people's photo showcases the same broken piece.

So it's like this pattern is emerging.

Uh-huh.

And you're like, I'm not an anomaly.

This thing exists.

Yeah.

And if you dig hard enough, you can actually see that it is happening to other owners.

And the type of failure that it is is a fatigue based failure, which has to do with the number of cycles that apart is going through its motion.

So it's very much connected to how often you drive it, you know, like wear and tear.

Yeah.

And it's also something that's very kind of inevitable, so to speak, that it will happen.

It's just a question of if you drive the car very, very little, it might take 100 years.

But if you drive the car a lot, it might take five years.

Yeah.

You know, three years.

So it just depends on your usage.

You know, that part is not really set out to live long or, you know, live forever.

And does each one of those, when that happens, it results in a catastrophic failure, right?

Like it gets into the engine, it tears it up, and I guess it just depends on house.

I guess if you're on throttle and, you know, maybe not like, let's say seven, 8,000 RPM, and that happens.

I mean, that's a grenade, right?

Like you just throw that metal in there and just kapoom.

So I guess the severity of significance and damage could vary depending on, I guess, if you're sitting at idle and it falls in there or if you're on full throttle, right?

Yeah.

No, you nailed it.

I think that there have been people who it falls and it gets like trapped in the intake before it hits the engine.

That's like the luckiest thing that you can have happened.

But most people that I've seen, it gets sucked in and then, yeah, depending on where you're at in the rev range and is the car on tilt and you're on track full throttle.

You know, like you could be, you know, trying to punch a piece of metal to the side of your block, which would be, you know, very expensive repair.

Not a good day.

Yeah, that is.

Oh, God.

And just, I'm sure since you've gone down this path, I'm just out of curiosity because you're very detail oriented.

How much does a 997.2 Metzger engine cost if you were to just buy a new one?

100 grand?

Yeah.

120?

Like how much does that cost?

It's going to be high five figures.

You can find used ones in the mid five figures.

But yeah, you can't.

I don't even know if you can get a long block from Porsche anymore.

So, so it could be, you know, you know, Porsche might have it listed at 80 grand for the short block and you'll be waiting or, you know, it's just.

It's kind of, there's kind of a sad state with kind of some of the older Porsche parts that is stock that's available and the time to produce and all of that.

How much damage did your engine have as a result of this failure?

Yeah.

So mine basically had the piston that, you know, collided with the object needed to be replaced along with the skirt inside the block for that piston.

Okay.

The head received some damage because like the piece, the punch, the piston punches the piece and then the top side is the head.

So you just kind of like shoving it into the head.

Got it.

My RPM was very low.

And so the head had very minor damage and was actually repaired by a machine shop.

Okay.

Didn't even need a new part.

But that is actually insanely lucky.

And if I was any real RPM, I would have likely needed a head, you know, which is just five to 10 grand in parts depending on how bad it gets.

So that I was actually very lucky in my unluckiness in this way.

Yeah.

Yeah, I would say on the meter of screwed, totally screwed and just fucked, like you are probably just screwed.

Exactly.

That's very well put.

Yeah.

So as this process, like you, you know, with the mind and the brilliancy that you had, you found a failure as you mentioned before, like, and doing your research.

And now take us to the point now where you launch a motorsports place and you're building parts and trying to resolve issues and failure points.

Tell us all about that and how all that came to be.

Yeah.

Well, I kind of felt like I was faced with a bit of a choice kind of like upon learning, you know, like, Hey, this is happening to multiple people.

It's, it's, it's not a fluke like it and it can happen to other people.

There are products in the market that could resolve this or modifications you could make to the engine, but those all come with different compromises.

And as myself is the first customer I was like, you know, my dream was to own this car.

My dream was to drive this car on the track and to become a better driver and challenge myself.

Like, is this going to stand in my way?

Like, is this going to end the dream that I, you know, dreamed about for so many years and I just kind of said, No, I don't think it is.

I began building a part that I felt like as customer zero to risk their, you know, five to six figure meds car engine, what would I want?

And so that really gave me a lot of clarity into like, how would I approach the building process as a customer?

What do I want?

How do I want to feel about driving that car on the track and the confidence behind it?

And so then I just started digging in, you know, I started buying 991 plenums, 718 GT4 plenums.

I started looking at everything that was kind of going on, at least like in the Porsche world for comparable engines to the meds car as far as literages, as far as horsepower.

And there's an important detail that Porsche had released a service campaign in 2013 to remedy the original screws falling out of the flap.

Oh, wow.

It's the way that the way that the whole system was put together was there's like a flap and a rod and essentially the screws go through both as an attachment device.

Okay.

And initially those screws were backing out under the vibration and load.

And then the screws are getting sucked in.

Also no good.

Yeah, also not good.

And that was really bad for four liters in period.

And so poor that to me was an acknowledgement that Porsche knew that subsystem, you know, didn't meet all of the requirements like in an ideal sense and being a being an engineer, you know, in my day job, I understand that as

an engineer to big company cost is a thing and you're always engineering to a dollar point.

And not it's not always absolute quality, which a lot of non engineers don't necessarily understand that there's a budget for this part.

There's a budget for this design, you know, like you you you're trying to stick within that parameter.

Yeah, that's where the phrase right the accountants and the engineers clash because they're like, look, this is going to fail.

They're like, well, the risk point for us from an accounting standpoint is worth it.

And you're like, I hate here.

Yes.

So that's a real part of engineering tradeoffs and working, you know, in for profit business.

But I knew that once that risk had materialized, Porsche would, you know, up the budget, so to speak on that component and put a little bit more development time.

And so I, as I looked at the next generations of that exact same part, I saw massive changes in the design, which aligned with my own education of, you know, material science and fatigue failure.

I'm not trained in that. I'm trained in software engineering, but I took some time to read papers and to read books about this.

And I was coming up with, hey, if I critique the design that I have in the 997 against what this book is telling me is good principles, it's failing the good principles that I believe about.

And then when I see the new Porsche design, it's matching all the good principles.

So, you know, it's like coincidence only goes so far.

Yeah.

That's a good point.

And so from there, it was kind of like, okay, can I take that design and can I make it so that it fits into, you know, the 997 housing to different size housing.

And so at that point, it was kind of a retrofit and material selection.

And I basically wanted to take kind of a three phase approach to this, because in my mind as someone who experienced this, I just never want this to happen again.

Yeah, no kidding, right?

I'm an engineer.

Yes.

And so the first one was, and most importantly is improve the design, right, like that's what Porsche did.

They didn't even make any material changes on the 991 RS.

So they were happy with the materials they selected, which were nothing special, some very basic metals.

So step one for me was let's upgrade the design.

Step two for me was let's make the materials better.

So I'm going to go one step beyond what I saw them doing and say, let me pick a better metal for the rod.

Let me pick a better plastic for the flap than they're using in the 991.

And then finally, I added materials so like the rod is thicker as well.

And so those three things as a customer give me a lot of confidence that I can drive that and, you know, not have concerns about failure as maybe one part could have been done better.

But I have overlapping protection with the kind of three stage approach.

And the final part was like put your money where your mouth is and shove this in your own car and go see if you put your engine again.

And that's what I decided to do.

That's cool, man.

Yeah, that's it.

So now this part, like obviously you've battle tested, we kind of, we talked offline as you were, you know, doing your R&D.

You're like, Hey, I want to make sure everything checks out before I come on the show.

You know, I might not be coming on the show because if I calculated incorrectly, I may be working on another engine and another solution or I might be out of Porsche altogether.

I don't know.

But so as far as like a modification, like, you know, all of the parts that you retrofitted and the strengthening and all that, did the housing itself?

Did you have to modify that much to fit any of the new hardware that you decided to go with?

Or is it pretty much like I'm trying to like just speak in the sense of like maybe a potential customer being so they can understand it since they're now, if they're listening first getting this education.

And not knowing that their car is potentially in danger.

Is that something where they can order that from you all in one piece or they just going to order the pieces that go into the housing?

How would that go as from a customer standpoint if I wanted to call up Oda Motorsports and say, Hey, man, I listen to the podcast and I'm scared.

Yes.

Yeah.

So one of the things that I was kind of also looking into was I had ordered a new 997 RS Plenum because I was doing all this development.

And I and I'm waiting for it.

Well, turns out it took 11 months for this thing to be delivered.

Whoa.

I was like, OK, this needs to work in the housing as it is.

Right.

Like if I order a part and I pay today and Porsche delivers it 11 months later.

One, that's a bunch of BS.

But two, you know, it's just I can't, you know, like as a person, I don't want to be on the sidelines for 11.

Yeah, that is a long time.

Yeah.

No Amazon Prime there.

No Amazon Prime.

So what I have, like the way that the kit ships is like it's a kit and you can basically install it in the part in your car.

So you take the part part out, you would take out the original rod and flap.

And basically I changed the bushing that sits in there because it's like it's an aluminum cast piece.

And then inside the aluminum, there's bushings.

And so the bushings I went with are smaller, a little bit smaller to give me more space for the rod.

OK.

But the actual housing doesn't need to make any changes.

So my thing comes with new bushings, new seals.

You just install it in your piece and you put it back in your car and you're good to go.

And then you have peace of mind to be retrofitable.

Exactly.

And then you get peace of mind.

Yeah.

So everybody listening too, because now everybody thinks that, because you and I talk specifically about it, but I want to hear it from your mouth.

What models are in danger specifically?

Just run through all of the ones that will have this issue.

And also if you make a part for all of them, because I don't know if it goes all, because I remember you mentioning 991.13RS.

I don't know, but like just go ahead and take it from here.

Yeah.

So the way that I think about this recommendation is like, if you have a 38RS or you have a four liter RS, you should absolutely do this.

And I wish someone told me that before I blew my engine.

So those are the people who I think, you know, should buy it.

OK.

Now there's people that should, who might buy it, they could consider buying it.

And that's the rest of the 997 GT3s and GT3RSs.

So it's the three sixes and the three eight.

And those, there is not a documented failure.

OK.

So again, I don't think you have to, right?

Think about your use case, right?

What is your use case? Have you added power mods?

Right?

I check all of those boxes.

I'm like, oh, I drive a lot.

I have power mods.

I'm like, I'm scared.

The sweat just forms the top of his forehead as I speak.

But you should, I think you should consider it.

It's not something you need to run out and do if you're going to be dropping the engine for something else.

That's a great time to grab that part and do it because it's hard to get at.

So you can do it at your convenience, I would say.

OK.

So I think it's up to each owner to decide how they want to take that risk for those other cars.

And I will, I have a solution that fits everything in the 997 generation and GT3RS.

As far as I'm not, I don't offer anything for the 991s.

But I think one thing to me is when I looked at the 718 GT4, which is very similar met like performance metrics to the 997 GT3 and GT3RS,

Porsche went with their newer design.

OK.

So, you know, they Porsche made, they thought about this as well, right?

Because they're building a lower horsepower engine.

Could have they considered going back to that cheaper design?

They could have.

But they made that decision to say, no, no, no, we will follow what we've learned and bring that in.

Yeah.

And so to me, that showcases that the risk is not zero, right?

Like Porsche considers the risk greater than zero and and owners should consider that risk greater than zero.

And as more time goes on, these type of failures could start materializing more.

Because, as I said, this fatigue style failure, it's not like you're waiting for that one thing to happen, right?

Like that one really hard turn or whatever.

Like it's just part of the properties of wearing down.

Yeah.

It's unpredictable question.

Yeah.

Exactly.

And it's kind of inevitable in the sense of like this piece will last, let's just say 10 million cycles,

which, hey, that sounds like a lot.

For one driver, 10 million cycles is 100 years.

For another driver, maybe it's five years.

Yeah.

And so that's all the calculus people need to think about.

And they should purchase based on their risk tolerance, their use case, their modifications for the non three eight and four liter RSS for the rest of the 997 GTs.

No GT2s.

For the three sixes, why is it a different part?

Like why is it not, I guess maybe not as documented or like that you found not as much of as an issue.

Do you know the why behind that?

Well, I'm just guessing that the three six, there's just less stresses.

Okay.

So like that problem, you know, with the factory specs, right, there's less stresses.

And so you could think, you know, if in the three eight RS, let's just say the part lasts a million cycles.

Well, that same exact part because the design is the same between all of the cars in a lower stress environment, maybe you're lasting five million cycles.

So it's a lower stress part.

So those failures are going to take longer to showcase.

So I think in my mind, that's why that it's not as big of an issue.

The lower, lower compression less power.

Well, and you have to think the air moving through that intake is directly related to how much, you know, horsepower you have like how much you're pulling in that air, you know, because the when the when the flaps close air is trying to be sucked by them and they're basically resisting that, you know, the

pistons trying to suck air in and there's other paths that they take, but that flap needs to stop air so that, you know, it can go to another path.

That's super strong.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, like I said, I think it's each owner to decide. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, so there's actually going to be two different like skew like versions of the product.

So the three and the four liter have the biggest air intake.

So they have the most pressure and the most volume.

So that's to drop into that intake.

That's one product.

The three GT three, the three six GT three, the three six three RS, they all share a different intake.

Everything is smaller.

So my parts have the flaps need to be made smaller.

The rods need to be made a little bit smaller, length wise, not diameter wise, so that they can fit in that different intake and it's two separate part numbers from Porsche.

So like Porsche owners who have a three eight RS would be looking at one intake piece and the three six owners would look at a separate one and same with the three eight regular GT three.

So yeah, that's a great question and I actually don't think it is an issue.

So I bought, like I talked about a used 9913 RS intake, which actually changed to plastic, which I thought was kind of the interesting decision.

I think it was a, they can make the car lighter and they could make the car cheaper.

I think we lost Mike.

Don't come back.

I'll be fine.

Okay.

So I just keep talking.

You're good.

Okay.

Yeah.

And so I've noticed that the actual plastic intake itself starts to crack way before there's any failure going on with the rods.

So and when I did research in the 991, I didn't see any failures of the rods, but I saw failures of the plastic intake housing that was, you know, not a catastrophic failure.

Okay.

Yeah, like I said, I know that engine's plagued by its own stuff.

So we don't have to go down that path.

Well, thank you for letting us, you know, talking about that product.

It sounds awesome.

Now that we've basically scared the shit out of everybody that owns either a Metzger engine car, because, you know, you, you made a very, very good point when you let off.

I think a lot of us, Aaron included in a lot of other Metzger friends were like this engine's bulletproof.

All you got to do is coolant pipes and you're good to go.

And then you're going to be good forever because this thing, they raced it in Le Mans.

They put it in everything.

I mean, it can handle all kinds of crazy horsepower.

It can, you know, it's got that whole 2JZ moniker behind it.

It's got that man, this block can handle whatever.

So in a good way, you know, it's terrible what happened to you, but, you know, good for you for stepping up and seeing a problem and basically turning it into a business and doing all the R&D and spending all your money to do all that stuff.

I mean, that's nuts.

Yeah.

Like I said, it's a passion.

You know, I love the cars and I was just faced with that decision of, you know, like, am I going to retire my own 3RS?

And I just felt like the answer had to be no.

Yeah.

That's a good answer.

I mean, it says a lot about your character too, right?

Because you're just like, look, I'm going to drive.

I have a problem.

I need to fix it.

And I'm not quitting.

Well, let's let's figure this out.

Exactly.

Yeah.

And it's I'm, you know, 13 months, 14 months into, you know, from the day that I was on the track and that thing happened to me.

You know, it's been been over a year of just me working on this as a side thing.

Obviously, it's not my main job.

Yeah.

Now, you know, before we move on to the color change on your own car, like when you first put that in your car and you were doing the R&D, where you, where you, I mean, you had to have been right like butt puckering.

You're just kind of like, oh man, like this is this is do or die.

Like if this doesn't go, I might my wife might leave me.

I'm going to be stranded on the track.

Like I'm going to be in a bad spot.

Like this has to work.

Yeah.

No, I mean, I was really, you know, like putting it all, all the eggs in a single basket and just I was, I was really nervous about it.

But at the same time, I came back to those like three principles of like, I tacked this problem from three different ways.

So I felt like I had given myself margin of error that, you know, it would not just immediately fail as a total failure of a part, although that could have happened.

Yeah.

I mean, that's the risk at anything though.

But good thing for you putting your money where your mouth was.

Now let's get into another interesting part about your vehicle.

You know, most people, oh my God, it's, you know, it's a GT3 and it's a Metzger car.

It's so special.

It tends teeth.

You can't do anything to it.

Oh my God.

I can't believe you have 60,000 miles on your car.

You drive it.

All these like sayings, all this stuff, right?

Well, you went, not only do you track your car and you drive the hell out of it.

And I think that's one of the many reasons why we get along, but you also change the color because you're like, Hey, it's my car.

I wanted a certain color and I didn't buy it with the color that I wanted.

So I'm just going to do that.

So talk us all how you've made that decision and what the color is and how you landed on that color and how long you, I guess, batted the idea around in your head before you actually pulled the trigger on it.

Yeah.

No, thanks, Mike.

I definitely feel like we share that craziness about us.

But yeah, so like I talked about, it was a dream car of mine.

I had wanted it for a long time.

You know, in, in 2021, you know, I was looking at GT threes.

I was looking at three RS's of 997.2 and I could just stretch to get the three RS.

And so I was really working to try to find a three RS that was in my budget.

And I was also kind of star struck in the idea of owning your dream car.

I had never bought in a car that had cost more than $50,000 in my life.

And, you know, now I'm talking about spend three times that in a purchase.

And so I found a car and there was some yellow flags that a learned Elliot maybe says walk away from that deal, but an Elliot chasing a dream.

And, you know, yes, let's call it on this deal.

And so that kind of, you know, I was able to get this three RS.

I'm super excited about it.

But one of the things I learned in my ownership journey was that, you know, the previous owner had had an accident in it.

The reason they decided to sell it was because they had an accident.

They quickly repaired it.

They did it off a car fax, you know, so it's not on the car fax and they wanted to move on.

So, you know, they were a little too eager to let it go.

If you know what I'm saying, I hear you.

Well, they wanted to sell it before that, you know, anybody had a story or anything.

They were just like, let's move this thing ASAP.

Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

Exactly.

And so, you know, that was a lesson learned for me, you know, but I wasn't going to let it ruin my dream car.

You know, accidents happen and from what we could tell it was a front fender.

A passenger side fender and kind of like down by the door sill kind of area kind of like.

So it wasn't like a rollover, you know, like crazy car vertical commercial type of accident.

But still the fact that it wasn't disclosed, you know, it left some bad taste in my mouth.

And it's just like, hey, that's a lesson learned.

But again, you know, hey, don't let it ruin your dreams like the end of the day and accidents repairable.

Well, most of them are, but yeah.

Yeah, long as it's repaired properly, I think, you know, if it if it saves you.

I mean, my car had a little bit of a bump, but I did the research on it.

It was just front bumper cover, you know, but it still shows up on car fax.

And, you know, people are like, oh, man, it's got a bump on it.

I'm like, dude, I don't care.

Like I thrashed that thing.

Yeah, you don't drive the car fax people.

So yeah, so then, you know, like I knew that I needed to get these repairs redone and redone correctly.

And so that I started hunting for some fun rare parts for the car.

I ended up finding a really rare part, which is the GT2 RS carbon fenders.

Oh, wow.

That's a crazy story.

They were actually on a shelf at a dealership, which is like even more wow that they would be sitting.

They're just at a West just sitting there, huh?

Yes.

So I had scored.

I scored a set of the carbon fenders.

I had got the carbon hood.

You know, I was like, hey, if I'm going in there, right?

Like, let's make it fun.

Let's make it fun.

That makes sense.

And so that, thank you.

Hey, I'm all about man math.

I do that all the time.

My girlfriend's like, so you took something that was supposed to cost three grand and now it's $30,000.

And you're like, well, what to do it right?

So, yeah.

Yes, exactly.

I know some great man math going on here and over here in Elliottville.

So at that point, I had a new hood for the car.

I had new fenders.

And so I was like, let's get the repair done.

Let's fix this.

And so basically what it was going to be was they were going to paint both fenders.

They're going to paint the hood.

And because of the damage on the sill, they were going to paint the, you know, part of the passenger side of the body.

And so at that point, you asked the man math question, which is, okay, well, how much more is it just changed the paint?

That's a valid question.

That would have been the first question I would have asked.

I would have been like, hey, okay, we're painting a large percent of the vehicle right now.

How much would it cost to just paint the rest of it in a different color?

I mean, that's a logical question.

Yeah.

And, you know, like as, as like my halo car, I was like, this is my chance to kind of like go back and spec it my own, you know, like if I had a pts allocation in 2012 or 2011, you know, like do whatever you want.

So, you know, the man math was like, hey, this is going to be the cheapest it's ever going to be because you're already going to be paying this much in body and paint.

And it's only, you know, X amount more to do everything.

And so I was like, you know, obviously I don't have any plans to ever sell the car.

I'm going to keep using it.

I'm going to keep loving it.

And so for me, it was like, all right, now comes the impossible choice of color combo.

Yeah.

And people who know the straight RS, you're not only picking one color, you're picking two.

Yeah.

You know, it's like it's a two way color theme.

And, you know, like pts in the 997 days was like Ken's teeth.

You know, like I can, you can barely find photos online.

Today, if I want like a seven 18 GT four s pts, like there's an example, I can find a photo of every color, just search on Google.

But in 997 era, you know, there's like, there's less than 100 cars, I think worldwide, like there's barely any combos done.

And so it's hard, you know, because you want to do something that you want to do and that you're passionate about, but it's like, dude, what if I hate it?

You know, that's a little fear with all of this money.

And I'm an idiot.

Correct.

Exactly. Yes.

You got some real fear.

So I actually partnered with someone.

I'll give a shout out to someone called, I think Carrera designs is on Instagram.

Okay.

And we worked together.

He took the original, like photo shops from the three eight RS from the configurator, the old ass configurator.

Yeah.

And he said, you tell me the colors and all Photoshop them on so that I could get a crazy.

Yeah.

Just so you could get a look and be like, Hey, and so I like gave him like five or six different color combos.

Blue is my favorite color.

So like blue was a big scene in that.

I think the wildest color combo that I was thinking about was a San Marino blue body, which is like a deep metallic blue.

And W color and signal orange or signal yellow accents.

Dang dark.

Yeah.

That was a little too wild for me.

But I think it, I still think it would look cool.

But yeah, I think it, I think it would have looked cool.

But I think you would have aged out of it pretty quick in the next like five to 10 years.

You've been like, Oh man, I wish I hadn't painted it.

Yes.

So it, that was, that was the wildest that I went.

I looked at a couple of different blues, shark blue, San Reno blue club blue.

And I ended up really liking in the rendering the club blue body with all the white accents and like white.

I feel like white accent, like white wheels on a Porsche is kind of.

I don't know.

Commonplace is not the right word, but like cars have done that in the past.

And so it, I kind of liked that it had some heritage to it and the combo just turned out like amazing.

I really love it.

Yeah.

The car is sick.

Like it's beautiful.

Like it's absolutely beautiful.

I mean, you knocked it out of the park.

That color combo, like white compliments that club blow so well.

Like it's unbelievable.

Yeah.

And so then I just, Hey, got it painted, you know, and then took it right back to the things I was doing before,

which is go ruin that paint job, get it back on the track, get it out on some drives.

Yeah.

It's only $30,000 paint job.

Who cares?

Let's go for it.

That's right.

What's a rock chip?

Exactly.

So, yeah, no, it was a fun journey.

And, you know, I'm happy how it turned out.

And it's, you know, nice to be able to kind of spec your own car that has come and gone, so to speak.

Yeah.

The blue, the blue angel spec doesn't seem like.

I didn't even think about that.

That's such a good call.

Or maybe I could get some sponsorship.

Yeah.

Michigan Wolverines are like, Hey, you Michigan Wolverine's fan.

You're like, what are you talking about?

Your car.

Like this is the Michigan Wolverine's color.

You're like, Oh God, like, all right, no, I'm not like, dude, I don't even watch football.

Like, what are you talking about, dude?

Like, yeah, you're like, I didn't even know this team existed.

Yeah.

I'm super intrigued because I do want, I, the people that are close to me, I think

you and I talked about it too.

I want to do a color change on my car.

I'm not ready at this very moment.

I would say it's going to happen and probably under the next five years.

I really, really want to go maritime blue on my car.

And I probably will go like, obviously get rid of the red wheels, go probably white or

silver wheels and just, man, I just, same, same reason as you in a way, like the cars

had a bump on it.

So it's not that big of a deal if I change the color and also who cares?

I'm not getting rid of the car.

It's going to be mine and, and I didn't get to PTS the car.

And why not?

If I, if, you know, that's my way of deciding to, hey, I'm, I'm going to PTS the car.

Just do a different shade of white.

I'll do chiffon.

I'll be like, can you do this in chiffon?

Maritime and white.

Maritime and white is, is it would be a killer combo.

And I think.

Especially in a dot one.

Yeah.

I think as, as one thing that I see is like as Porsche ages, obviously there's

always the collector group.

And it's like, what's on the Vin, you know, is holier than now.

But I think as, as the car gets older, there is a lot more openness to

modifications in the Porsche community.

And I think when you look into the air cooled, you know, realm, like people

are going way wild there.

And, and I would, and you see stuff that's wild that still brings like, you

know, real money.

People aren't like, oh, this is worth nothing because it doesn't have the

original, you know, those cars always exist.

And there's always a market for that.

But it seems like as time ages, people are more open to that.

I think too.

That's a great point.

Because with the air cools, I mean, we discussed it on the show too, where

you know, you see those, you know, outlaw builds or whatever sports

purpose builds, there's so many names for it, right?

Most of those cars do not have the original color on it, right?

So like most of them when they're like, hey, I'm going to put wider

fenders on it because this was a narrow body car.

They have the same thought process, man, math, like the rest of us

to like, hey, this is a great opportunity for a color change,

right?

All right.

So like I want to do signal orange or I want to do this.

So none of the nobody ever questions those cars.

And they never ever question the mileage either unless they're like

really fuddy duddy people who don't get it where no one goes and sees

an outlaw build and it's like, oh, you built like a 38 air cooled

and oh, how many miles are on it?

And you're like, none.

It's like brand new, like it's got break in miles.

They're like, oh, what about this?

What about the chassis?

You're like, I don't know dude, who cares?

Everything is new on the car.

Yeah.

So I think time will be, will be nice to, to decisions like that.

Yeah.

And actually, I think that in a way, like I think you might be

early to the game in a good way, like as a trendsetter because

I think there's a lot of those cars.

I mean, think about, there were so many of them and,

you know, not even, you know, three RSS are pretty,

pretty like low numbers, but I'm talking about early ones,

like 997.1, like just GT3s like mine.

They made a slew of them in white.

Like if I, if I repaint my car, I'm not,

I'm not taking away from the 500 that they made in white.

Like I'm sure no one's going to be like, how dare you,

you painted a white car or a black one or a silver one.

Like, like you said, there just wasn't a lot of PTS ones

even back then that people that were hip to that,

who may have done that, if they do, they're obviously

100,000 on top of the normal price just because of the color.

And a paint job doesn't cost $100,000.

So the math, man math for me is just go paint your car.

Yeah.

Well, when I look at the asking prices of a PTS3RS,

I'm feeling in the green every single time.

Because I'm way under that.

So yeah.

And then you recently picked up, let's go,

let's change gears a little bit.

So you picked up a long hood car, right?

You've, you've entered the air cooled realm, right?

That's correct.

Yeah.

No, I recently bought a 1973 kind of like outlaw RS style

outlaw, which has been quite an experience for me.

I have, you know.

Please expand.

Just like, yeah.

Well, one, you know, as someone, let's see,

the oldest car I own before owning this car was in 1995.

And one of the things that I realize now is how much I've

took in what a modern car is the definition of the definition

of car, I would say not just modern car,

but the definition of car and the functions of a car.

How my perspective is really changing with a car from the

70s with, and it's also not the original car with all the

functions, but it's been stripped down because it's a hot

rod.

So it's got even less than it had.

Exactly.

It was like, there was no options, but they took off

somehow more stuff, you know.

So it's just the car has no heat.

The car has no AC.

The car has no cruise control.

You know, the car has manual steering.

You know, it's just you and the car and driving.

The car also has carburetors.

I've never owned carburetors.

That has been such an eye-opening experience for me.

Just like,

They can be finicky.

Adjust.

Oh my, yeah.

Like literally just this weekend, you know, here in

Washington, it's getting quite chilly up here in the

winter and I'm just trying to jump in that thing like

sending old car.

And I'm like, you're laughing.

I was not laughing because I just know what you're

going to do because I had, I have PMO carbs on a

70s, 9-11.

I know that pain.

Oh my gosh.

So it's in the garage to start the morning.

It's a little warmer.

Car starts up nice.

Get out in that cold air.

It's not happy.

It's not everyone that starts sputtering and

popping and it's like, oh, give it gas.

Oh no.

And it's weird.

Yeah.

You know it.

It was stalling out on me if I didn't give it enough gas,

you know, running to lean.

And so it's just like, I'm so uneducated about all that

stuff.

I feel like I've owned this car for three months and

you know, just yesterday I'm like learning something

brand new about it.

So that has been a bit of an adjustment.

And the reason that I went there was, I think like

from a visual standpoint, I think the long hood is a

beautiful machine and it's harkens back to just like an

iconic look of Porsche that is just beautiful.

It's still my favorite thing about it.

I wanted a car that has a little bit more power because

I felt like something more docile I would be bored

with.

I had driven some stock cars.

I driven stock 993.

I drove a stock 964.

And while they were nice cars to drive, I also felt like

it was a little too cushy, you know, a little too every

day.

And this car gives me none of that.

And so.

Yeah.

That's good.

Because I would agree with you like, I mean, even like

you couldn't even get a G body car that's unmodified

G body car driving it around, like it's not going to make

you feel alive.

Like for guys that are chasing adrenaline that want to

push the envelope and become like better drivers.

And even in, you know, and I know that's not for

everybody, but like guys like us who need that stuff,

you know, those kind of cars are not on our list.

You know, like if I have that.

So when I was looking for a new car, I was in the

same, but like as far as like an air cold, I was,

I, you know, I was really pigeonholed because I'm on

the far right of that spectrum where I'm kind of like,

look, it has to fall into this, man.

I need like a three eight.

I need it stripped down.

I need all this stuff.

And you know, now you're, there's two realms there,

right?

Like you either have some hot rotted BS that

somebody made in their garage, or you have some

mega expensive super every fine detail.

It's like, oh, it's got Motec.

It's got this.

It's got, I'm like, dude, I don't need all of that.

Like I don't need a $600,000 car.

I need something like in between junk and that.

Yeah.

It's that's a, that was something that when I was

shopping was really challenging for me to navigate.

And especially like in a valuation standpoint,

what's a fair value, right?

It's like, it's clear.

You know, here's the, here's the singer at the

top, right?

Or this Motec car built by this famous shop.

That's 400 grand, right?

And then there's, hey, this guy built this in his garage.

It's 60 grand, you know, and it's hard to understand,

you know, like what's a goodbye in the middle and what,

you know, like I feel like if I were to buy my car again,

I could make better decisions.

Like I feel like my own inexperience was like not

knowing certain things, you know, and it's like,

that's natural to navigate that.

Yeah.

You're not going to get that.

Yeah.

You can't get that experience unless you just jump in the

water, right?

Like you're like, I know how I'm supposed to swim through

this, but like, I don't, I don't know what until I get

in there.

But so first three months were a little,

been a little challenging, but do you like it though?

I guess it's the more important question.

Yeah.

So I would say right now I feel like the jury is still a

bit out on it.

It's a mixed bag for me because when,

like just a, just a couple other days ago here,

it was like in the fifties.

I took my friend out in it.

His first time in there,

cooled went on some back roads.

I was smiling.

I was having fun.

Car was happy.

You know, I had a great day.

Yeah.

But here, but here this last weekend,

when this car is breaking down, you know,

not breaking down, but it's not running right.

And I'm like having to come up with alternative plans of,

am I going to be able to get it home?

You know, like, what's the best route with the lease stops?

You know, it's like,

that's the charm, right?

That's what that's called.

The pain in the charm.

So for me, I'm still kind of like figuring out if that's

like something that is good for me.

And maybe like as I sort the car,

I like it more in certain ways,

but I'm still figuring it out.

And I've had my ups.

I've had some downs with it.

I think the other thing that I am learning about carburetors.

And this is like specific to like my own.

Kind of personal living situation,

but like the way that my house is set up,

it's like a two car garage is like on the,

it's in the basement.

Okay.

And so,

and so is all of my HVAC stuff.

And this is something that literally never crosses my mind,

but then you buy a carburetor car and you get some education.

So, you know, all of a sudden I bring this car home the first

time I park it in the garage.

It's right underneath all the venting, the HVAC machinery.

I go in my bathroom.

Smells like gasoline.

And I'm like, wait, am I crazy?

Am I like crazy?

I had to ask my wife, go in the bathroom.

Like, do you think it smells like gasoline?

Which she was not thrilled about.

I'll tell you that.

I bet.

She's like, it's terrible.

What is that?

You're like, oh no, I think that's the air cooled car.

She's like, you got to get rid of that thing now.

Get some race fuel.

Exactly.

You're like, don't be mad at it.

It's we're figuring each other out.

Yes.

So, you know, like that stuff that like, you know,

that never even crossed my mind, you know,

you know, prior to buying this and then it's like,

I'm chilling at my house after a drive and like all the

small rooms because there's no ventilation.

They're starting to smell like gasoline.

So, yeah.

So I had to like leave.

I should I be leaving the garage door open to like air it

out.

You know, it's just the answer to that is yes,

because that's what I do when I come home.

I leave my garage door open for like 15 or 20 minutes and

then I close the airflow.

Yeah.

Let it let it let it vent out and don't be the cute guy

who tries to like park your car in your own garage in

reverse.

You want to you want those tailpipes towards the

opening of the garage.

So that stuff.

So that all that stuff can get out of there.

So anyway, I feel like I could I could probably sell like

some book or video on YouTube about all the things I

learned buying never owning a car that old and then

buying it and then just kind of running into my own

face with my kind of like, you know, like,

Oh, I didn't realize that old cars were like this.

You know, just like, I just never had realized it.

So that's kind of kind of fun in certain times when

you learn that but then other times it's kind of like

not fun because you're like maybe there's like what is

the solution to this and you're kind of like panicking

through it, you know.

Yeah.

So that I'm I enjoy driving it, you know, at its best.

It's just a question of in my living situation here

and I live in a very urban part of Washington.

Can it can it all make sense in a way that my wife doesn't

hate it?

You know, my house doesn't smell like gasoline.

You know, I can drive and enjoy it.

Yeah.

I also could see why they would do so much better in

Florida, you know, or the cars from Nevada where

there's a lot more kind of consistent of a climate

versus where I live.

Well, hey man, you're a smart guy.

Maybe maybe fuel injected is your answer.

That's what I was going to say.

Yeah.

That that is something that I've thought about, but you

know, it gets into this whole can of worms thing with

these with the air cooled cars, which is like, you

know, everyone says Motec and then you go look it up.

Motec's 20 fucking grand and so you just like, you

know, and then you got it.

And then if you have a Motec issue, if you

don't have an authorized distributor anywhere around

you, then you got to send the shit out to

them and then like basically a conference call of

what you want done to it and all that other stuff.

Like once you get it dialed in, it's perfect.

But like that teething process is awful.

Yeah.

And I think one thing that this has taught me is I

feel like I now I'm understanding why people

have been doing back dating, not that I

necessarily agree with it because I think it

can ruin cars, you know, great cars to back date.

But it's like I can understand that I want the

long hood vintage look, right?

But just put it on a chassis that's 10 or 20 years

newer, right?

And kind of marrying the both of those seems

like a very nice combination.

Yeah, it's yeah, I see the appeal with it too.

But you know, you did the right thing.

I think if you want that experience, you definitely

you bought the car for an experience.

You don't seem like a quitter.

So I would just stick with it.

Like the thing is, is it's never, it's never

going to be perfect like, but you'll, you know

what?

It'll probably end up being for you.

The air cooled car.

It'll probably be more of a seasonal type of

situation for you where, you know, when spring

and summer and then as a fall is approaching,

when you have your harder colder months there,

that's probably the time to like just let it

hibernate until you have it away.

Yeah, like basically, I mean, the exact opposite

being in South Florida, like basically I put

that car away in the summer.

So from basically since we have summer for

nine months here, it's away for nine months.

You know, but, but in all seriousness,

basically the Memorial Day weekend rolls around

and I pretty much know I'm not going to be,

if I do drive it, it'll be in the morning

and like for very, very short period of time

because it gets hot very rapidly here.

And then I don't really pretty much drive it

till I would say end of September beginning

of October really.

I mean, obviously I start the car and drive it,

you know, like a little, but it's not just sitting,

but I mean, it's so hot that I don't want to put,

I'm just dumping, you know, atmospheric 95 degree

weather into a hot engine already.

So it's just kind of like, I'm just not going

to stress the car out any more than I need to.

So the exact opposite, I mean, it's,

it's semi seasonal for me anyway.

So you may, you know, you've got plenty of toys.

Like you'll, you'll find your balance

and where your happy spot is with it, I say.

So I would just say stick with it.

You'll find it like because you haven't had it

in the spring or summer yet, have you?

Yeah, I just kind of enjoyed it here

at the tail end of fall.

So once your spring and summer show up,

I'll have to follow back up with you

because I bet you like during your summer,

you're going to be like, oh my God,

because it's probably going to give you

very little hiccups like during that time.

It's going to be very happy and you're going to go out

and you're going to go and run, you know, run your roads

and you're going to be like, yep, this is why I have this car.

Yeah, just let's just hope it can last that long

with the smell.

I got to put it away.

But yeah, but you know, it's a learning experience.

And you know, for me, I'm happy that I tried it.

You know, whatever the outcome is, you know, like,

I had romanticize of vintage 911.

Whether I keep this one or not,

I think there's a lot of learning here I could,

I could take into a different vintage 911, you know.

Yeah, like maybe, maybe you go get a, you know,

a nine, six, four, you know, RS or something

or someday who knows, like then you'll be fuel injected

and you have another RS.

Like that sounds like good man math to me.

Yeah, easy man math.

Yeah, that's a, that's a no brainer.

So before we close, we got a couple of fun little topics here

like Aaron and I always like to play these games

and since you're a guest, you play with us

and it'd be nice to hear what your thought process is

behind some of these cars because power wise,

some of them are, and I would just kind of like to hear

what your thought process is.

And I think all of us will chime in

and think about what car we choose and why.

I think first car on the list I'd like to like go over is

we talked about it before, you know, obviously has engine problems,

but two cars, would you rather own a 991.1 GT3

or a 718 GT4?

Let's, Aaron, you lead us off.

What, which one would you buy and why?

Can I get one?

Well, I'm going to go on a GT3.

Can we get a clarifying question?

Is it in addition to the vehicles that you own

or is it like in a universe of you've got a new garage, you know?

Yeah, let's play the game because if it's in addition

to what we already own that really changes,

let's just say you're going in blank slate.

Like you don't own a 911, you don't own any of them

that way because, you know, anybody who's listening

may be a first time buyer and they may,

I'm trying to put myself in their shoes of like,

because if you own multiple like 911s or other cars,

you pretty much have already maybe cherry picked the ones you want.

So like you probably aren't going to,

no offense to anybody that owns one of these,

not that they're bad cars or wonderful cars,

but you're probably not going to be cross shopping these two.

But I would think from a price point,

if you're a new buyer and from a power standpoint,

they're pretty close.

And from a, I guess, consistency standpoint,

let's put the rules of the 718 GT4 cannot be a manual.

It has to be a PDK since the 991 is a PDK as well.

So at least we're comparing apples to apples.

So let's keep them in that realm.

And now I heard you started to go, Aaron,

you said 991 GT3.

Yeah, sorry, Aaron.

Sorry.

That's okay.

No, no.

Would it be a G block motor car?

Would you hunt one of those down to make sure it's a G block?

I don't care what it is.

No engine replacement.

I'm at 150,000 miles.

I'm going to run it till it's done.

GT3 or nothing.

So yeah, that's pretty much where I'm staying with that.

Especially the PDK.

I mean, it was a good system there.

I like the 9,000 RPMs.

I like the way that met them.

I mean, there's just so many things.

And I think it's starting to,

even though it's not vintage yet,

but I still think it's starting to age

into that vintage realm,

whether we like it or not already.

Yeah.

I would kind of agree with you.

I think a lot of people, I admit myself included.

I like the way the 991 looks,

especially compared to the 992.

I like the 991 better.

How about you, Elia?

What are you picking?

The other.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, these rules had me flip flopping between pics.

So good job on the rules.

I knew I was going to silo you in because you're like,

I'm going to pick a 718 GT4 manual.

Like, you're like, no, you're not.

He was just, yeah, I was dodging.

Yeah.

I mean, I think, well, like something for me,

you know, I like to modify my cars.

That's kind of obvious.

And I like to think about not only what car

could I buy here because they're both obviously going

to be great cars.

But maybe what car if I wanted to,

how could I make it a little bit of my own as well?

And I think that I would go with the 991.1 GT3.

And I think I would kind of go like a 911 R-esque kind of build,

like do a touring style.

I think it would be super cool,

but try to get one in like the brown.

I think they did like a mahogany metallic or something

like that, like a classy spec.

You know, that'd be sick.

So I think I like that.

I think there's a little bit more creative pallet in the 911

realm rather than came in Boxster.

And it was my first 911.

That's something I love about the Porsche brand.

I would lean in on that and get the GT3.

And, you know, they're both going to be great to drive.

And yeah.

Yeah, I agree with you.

I would go 991 also on that for the,

for similar reasons that you mentioned,

because I'd probably mod it.

I'd either flat deck it and make it look like a touring.

I wouldn't be like a tool and actually get the touring deck

and put touring on it.

Or like a little, you know, baby duck tail and make it

my own kind of like gentlemen's touring.

And I would take a page out of your book.

I'd probably go by one.

It had good maintenance and probably a motor that,

you know, had been swapped for a newer one.

I don't care what color it would be because the minute I got it,

I would just respray the whole car.

Like I would just break it down and get repainted and do like a

cool like a cool paint on it.

You know, maybe again, Maritime,

something like that where like it separates itself

from the rest of the sea of the 991s,

you know, since they made so many.

Yeah.

Yeah, something cool.

Yeah, that would be cool.

Jack metallic.

Yeah.

Those cars are their value and.

Oh, there's a lot of good specs out there.

Kind of a little bit of a happy ground between

the later amounts of PTSD and the 997,

like PTSD still exists,

but it's like somewhat rare,

but there's options.

Yeah.

And I think you're not going to,

and I think this car also falls into that.

They made so many of them.

Like where I use that analogy with my 997 GT3,

where they made so many of them in certain colors.

Like if you do a black or a white or a silver

and you repaint that car,

you're not ruffling any feathers.

No one's going to be pissed at you for doing that.

Everybody's going to be like, dude, you made an improvement.

Yeah.

You chose, you know, whatever color you chose,

you know, like you chose, you know,

just racing green or you chose whatever.

Like hell yeah, dude, you made that car better by doing that.

I think that would be most camps would probably be like, yes.

You know, most people would be like, dude,

how could you paint a 991.1 GT3?

It's a career white car and you painted it blue.

How dare you?

No one's going to say that.

No one's going to care.

Yeah.

Everybody's going to be like, first,

the thing you'd probably battle your whole life is,

is that a wrap?

And it's like, dude, it's not a wrap.

I spent big money.

Like you want to see the door jams and the engine lid?

It's not a wrap, dude.

Like, I think that would be the thing.

The thing you have to combat the most.

Not a wrap.

It's not a wrap.

That would be hilarious.

All right.

Second car on deck.

We got 991.1 3rs or 718 4rs.

So, Aaron, go for it.

Tell us why, what you're picking.

You're going to go 911, right?

I mean, I could go 4rs.

You never know.

But I'm probably going to go 911.

Yeah, I have to go 911.

After seeing the ultraviolet purple of Tommy's ear,

I think that's something.

A color like that, that car, it looks epic.

I think that would be the move.

Yeah, I'm in love with the UV.

Also, I can't get over it ever since it came out.

I've always lusted after it.

I don't know that I would repaint it.

I don't know if I'd go that far.

I think I could just get a special color.

But I just like that.

Yeah, I mean, I would just hunt down a UV.

Like, yeah.

Or I like lava too.

I go back and forth.

I think my heart's in the UV on it.

You're not afraid of the engine problems in that car?

Nope.

Bring it on.

The engine problems in the other car too.

He's like, hey, I'm spending money that doesn't exist.

What am I going to be afraid of?

Yeah.

This is a problem that I don't need to worry about.

Exactly.

Unlimited money in this realm.

Yeah.

How about you, Elliot?

What are you going with?

You know, I think on this one, I do agree with you guys

that the UV is an amazing just color combo car and presence.

But I do think I would go 718 GT4 RS in this comparison.

What's the why behind that?

Do you just think it's an overall better car?

Well, yeah.

I was kind of thinking the cars before, the cars that we talked

about before were a little bit more street focused.

And I think the GT3 does that better.

I think the coming over to the track, I like that the 718,

that they've held it back.

It doesn't have rear steer.

They've taken some things away so it's slower than the 911.

But I think that's a driving experience that I enjoy,

just based on my time in the 997.

So I think I would really enjoy that driving experience

a little bit more back to basics, so to speak,

in a really cool looking car.

And there's a lot of specs out there that I could get a spec,

although it wouldn't be a special, that I would really like.

There's just a lot of PTS options for not too much of a premium.

I agree with you.

I'm going 718 4RS on this one.

I know that's kind of shocking as much as I'm in love with.

That is shocking.

I mean, I just think right now, and this might not be always

the case, but currently right now,

and it still might even get a little bit better.

The 718 4RS, man, a lot of people have come off of them.

The hype behind them is like deflated.

They're actually, and the reason why I put it,

they're pretty comparable in price,

actually, to 991.13 RSS, like price-wise.

And I think they're a wonderful car.

Like I think they're a lot more car, actually, than the 991.

And for the same reasons that you like the car,

I think it's very versatile.

I think it's nimble enough where it'd be really playful on a

mountain road, and it would be an awesome track weapon.

And it's got more space in it, too,

which is a weird thing to bring up from an accountability

standpoint.

But like, I feel like the usability is a little bit more

out of the 718.

Yeah, and I like the sizing of it.

It's smaller, which is nice.

Yeah, I like that, too.

It's more of a compact package.

And as weird as this sounds, I mean, because it does,

it's a striking car, but there are specs you can get to hide

if that's your goal with it.

But I think it's actually a little understated from an

RSS perspective.

I mean, there is a lot of vents and all this other stuff.

And it's aggressive looking for a Cayman.

Don't get me wrong.

But I still think even as a 9913 RS, that car is like,

it just stands out.

It's got that huge wing on the back.

It's super aggressive in the front.

If you go with a specialty color like lava or a purple,

that's a lot of real estate.

It's a big car, so it's a lot of purple or it's a lot of

orange, and it's hard to miss.

So it's one of those things where it's kind of like,

I'm in your face.

And if that's not what you're looking for,

that's definitely not that car, right?

But I don't know.

I flip flop back and forth.

You put a, get me a smoking deal on a 3RS UV purple,

and I'm all over it.

I'll be like, oh, man, like I can't not have that.

It's like more of my secret modern car, I guess.

I wouldn't call that guilty pleasure, I guess.

Not that I'm going to go out and like go own one

or something like that by tomorrow's standard,

but you know, who knows?

I'm not going to be able to drive manual my whole life.

Maybe as an 80 year old man, I could drive around this PDK one.

Does it rip it around?

Yeah.

No exhaust.

Just as loud as an RSR.

Do you see that little Asian dude driving that thing?

He's got like a thousand years old.

He's driving that GT3 RS.

He's just barely on his steering wheel.

Yeah.

I'm like, shut up.

I wore my diaper today.

Depends.

Exactly.

Well, I don't have anything else for Elliott.

We've been on for a minute.

Do you have anything else, Aaron, for him before we cut him loose?

I don't.

I don't have anything else.

We'll have to do a part two, see if anything else breaks on the car.

So round two.

Cross my fingers.

It doesn't weigh us.

Yeah.

Nothing's going to happen.

I'm more interested to hear about the air cooled over the after you

have it for the summer, maybe we'll do a 12 month.

Around this time next year and be like, he's like, oh, yeah,

like right after that podcast, man, I sold that thing that

winter, dude.

I didn't even get a summer or spring at that thing.

Like that thing had to go, man.

My wife was my wife was not kidding around about that gas.

Well, dude, like, like that V that V 12 came home and I was

just like, Hey, sorry.

I air cooled.

You got to go.

I think you go either way at this point.

Who knows?

That's true.

We'll give it a shot.

Three months is too soon to kick her to the curb.

But thank you for coming on.

Thank you for talking to us about auto motor sports.

Love hearing some grass.

Love hearing some grass roots, like company starts because

Hey, there was a gap in the market.

You saw it.

Now, if people, you know, you have an up and going website.

People just need to go to auto motorsports.com.

If they want to order products, how do they do that?

Yeah.

No.

So they can go to the website, which is just the auto

motorsports.com.

The parts.

Like if you go to the product page, it's saying, Hey,

we're launching Q four.

So you can't actually buy it yet.

I just finished the testing and launched the kind of blog post

about that and talking about it here.

And so very shortly they should be available to purchase

once I get some ETAs from manufacturing back and I don't

want to be holding money without a promise of a product

coming and have all that squared away.

So see, this is why guys like us need to start companies

because we have bought so many products from so many places

that say that they're in stock and then you buy them and

then they're like, Hey, well, we don't actually like have parts

on the shelf here.

So you'll see the part in three to five months and you're

like, dude, I'm going to the track in like six weeks.

I need that.

And you said it was in stock.

Like, I hate you.

Exactly.

I want to get a night of your friends by the same part.

We'll make it.

Yeah.

So yeah, just like you said, being a customer, you

understand those pain points.

And so don't want to be having people, you know,

misunderstand that.

So that's the last thing here.

Yeah, I appreciate that.

Well, thanks for making a good product.

Thanks for, you know, being a P car club member.

Thanks for coming on the show.

Just doing you, man.

And, you know, holding it down on the west coast out there,

man, we appreciate you.

Yeah.

Thanks, Mike and Aaron.

It was a pleasure being on and love your guys podcast.

Like I said, I've been listening a long time and always

loved your guys's topics.

I felt like the first couple of times I listened,

I could have, I had stuff to say.

I had opinions to share and just put them in the comments.

So yeah, I think we love that.

It's a, it's an, it's entertainment for a P car, not like me.

Yeah, we love it.

Thank you so much.

Well, we'll talk to you soon.

Thanks again, man.

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