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Hey, it's daily drive executive producer Jake Neer here in Detroit.
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On this bonus episode of the show, more of our own Laurence Ilyff's conversation with
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slate auto design chief Tisha Johnson about the EV startup's vision to make an affordable,
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customizable electric pickup. But first, one of the big stories of the past week was a new trade
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framework between the US and the EU. We heard a clip of Auto's Drive America CEO Jennifer
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Safavian reacting to the news on Friday's episode of the show. We thought you'd be
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interested in her full answer to the question from our own Hannah Lutz on last week's Automotive
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News Congress Conversations live stream. So here you go. Jennifer, I want to start with you. We had
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some tariff updates this morning, specifically on the EU and the US. The deal today or the
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framework said that they intend to accept and provide mutual recognition to each other's
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standards on vehicles. There's a lot of details we know that are still, you know,
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yet to be sorted out. But what could that recognition look like? And what do you
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make of the framework overall? Yes, hi. Thanks Hannah for that question and thanks for having
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with you. Yeah, we were honestly pleased to see this framework be announced this morning. It's
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something that we've been waiting for now for a couple weeks since the deal was reached
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a few weeks ago and waiting for similar ones, similar frameworks in writing with Japan
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and with South Korea as well, which I think you're going to take a little bit more time.
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So what we were most pleased about in the finally seeing something in writing is when it
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comes to the autos, right, for the auto portion of it, you know, right now, even though there are
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these deals, right, these verbal kind of agreements in place, you know, the automotive
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industry is still paying 27.5% tariffs on every imported vehicle and in a lot of instances on
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imported auto parts as well. And so that's having obviously a significant impact on the
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industry as a whole. So what this framework showed us today was, you know, that they've
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agreed to a 15%, they'll lower the 27.5% to 15%. At the beginning of the month when the EU introduces
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a legislative proposal, right, that sets forth sort of this agreement and everything they're
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supposed to do on their end. And, you know, what we're hearing is that the EU is planning
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to work very quickly and try to introduce something this month even. So if that is the case,
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then that means going back to the beginning of the month, August 1st, imported vehicles and parts
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would drop from that 27.5% to 15% because even though we have these deals, these agreements,
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the industry is still paying 27.5 tariffs. So that's why this was really critical to see this
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come out today and we hope to see something very similar quickly for Japan and South Korea as
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well. So again, that's going to be very helpful when it comes to imported vehicles and parts. But
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I would say, you know, as far as the standards, there's a lot we still don't know, right? There's
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a lot that wasn't, you know, it was only a couple page framework that we saw today.
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And to me, I think like I said, the biggest piece of it was talking about when that 15%
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was going to actually be enacted and be started. Right. So really solidifying that rate that
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we heard about and giving a more definitive timeline. Okay, that's helpful, helpful context.
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How are the automakers and suppliers navigating these tariff changes on a global scale? There's
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been so much that's happened. And like you said, still waiting for to see the paper on a lot of it.
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Yes, you know, it's been it's been really impactful for the industry, as you can imagine,
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right? I mean, these auto tariffs on imported vehicles and parts, you know,
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we're looking at a lot of these since early April. And again, like I said, 27 and a half percent,
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you know, whereas we went from what, two and a half maybe or 0% to 27 and a half percent,
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that's a significant increase that kind of happened overnight, right? And while I will tell
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you, you know, certainly my members are very supportive of the president's goal of more
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auto production here in the United States. It doesn't happen overnight. And yet these
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tariffs happened overnight. And they are really significant and really having an impact
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on the on the automakers, but also the suppliers, right? And I think it's really important to talk
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about the suppliers here, because without the parts without the suppliers, we can't produce here in
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the US, right? If there's any slowdown, or shutdown of a supplier, that's going to have a
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significant impact on the production here in the US. You know, just to reiterate from my
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member's perspective and their international automakers here in the United States,
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you know, they have been committed for a very long time to the US market. And you know, they have
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actually, you know, over the years, they have invested 124 billion in their US operations
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to show how committed they are to the US. And that continues every year that grows. And they're
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willing to do more of that. You know, they produce 48% of all US production here in the
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United States, if I'm looking at 2024 figures. So that's nearly half of all production is done
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by international automakers. And they have 31 facilities across the United States. So they're
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very committed. And they're continuing to build up facilities and continuing to retool
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their facilities. But that all takes time, right? And it takes investment. And I think as you've
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seen recently, there's been, you know, several automakers who have reported earnings,
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their earnings, and they've talked about the impact that tariffs are having on those
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earnings. And I think the cumulative number that I've seen recently is almost like, it's like
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$12 billion from those automakers who have reported their earnings. So it's having a significant
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impact on the automakers and their ability to continue to grow and invest here in the United
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States. So I would say, you know, they continue to look for relief, you know, from assistance
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when it comes to all of this. Again, they're willing to do more, more investment, more
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production here in the US. But you can't move suppliers overnight. You know, there's a
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lot of things that just take some time. And I think that that's kind of, you know, one of the
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things, one of the talking points and messages that we try to really relay is they're doing a lot,
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they want to do more, but it takes some time to do that.
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That was Autos Drive America CEO Jennifer Sevevian on our recent automotive news
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Congress Conversations livestream. If you missed it, no worries, you can catch
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the whole conversation on demand on our LinkedIn, Facebook, or YouTube pages.
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Welcome back. On Thursday's episode of Daily Drive, we brought you the first part of Automotive
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News staff reporter Lawrence Eiliff's interview with Tisha Johnson, head of design for Slate Auto.
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That's the Jeff Bezos-backed EV startup that plans to sell a low-cost electric pickup
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that can be highly customized even to be converted to an SUV. If you miss that part of the
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conversation, go back and check it out. Here's the final part of that interview.
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When I talk to people in the industry and people do consumer surveys and all this,
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they think the most controversial part of it is there's no four doors.
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Kids and dogs and all that type of stuff. I know you've created a situation in which
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you have a back seat but then you compromise the bed. Was that a hard choice? Did they tell
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you you have to do that or are you part of that decision? You don't even have to tell me
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that but what do you think about it? So there's a few questions in there but let's start with
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is it a compromise? There's some controversial conversations maybe around that you're saying.
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First of all, the truck bed itself is effectively a standard for a small-sized
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truck. It's fully capable of handling normal utility so it's got great capacity.
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So no compromise on the truck bed. We made a decision early on to have a two-door because
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we said all right when we start looking at what people want, what people need,
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people are asking for a low cost vehicle. They're asking for something that they can afford.
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So we looked at it from the standpoint of passing dollars back to our customers.
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That was our future customers and we to this very day when we are working on the vehicle,
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we're saying to ourselves is this something then that we can pass on dollars to our
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customers. Yes we can. That's a sound decision to make. So when you have less doors, you have less
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cost, you have less weight and it actually gives you a measure of utility back. So what we've done
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then is said okay how can we make sure then that we're able to give back in that scenario.
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If we have two doors what are other ways we can give back? So we have on the passenger side
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an extended track for the front seat. That means it slides forward more than the average seat.
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That gets you easily in and out of the vehicle to that second row if you want a five-seater
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configuration. Yeah you know I think that that we've kind of got a little lazy as consumers
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in a way in that we all used to have to climb into the back seat. You know I mean my
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you know we had a lot of Volkswagen bugs when I was a kid like climbing into the back
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and she's like oh we have to climb in the back of the seat but now you know everybody wants a four
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door I think that only five percent of the market buys two doors. Do you think that
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customers are willing to say well wait a second it's a low cost it does a lot of things you
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know I'll get over it. Well you know the the reason we got together and created this vehicle
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is because we believed that customers would show up for it future customers would understand
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all that they get here and they would want it and and sometimes it is as much what you get as
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as what we intentionally deleted. We are definitely hearing back from the market saying thank you
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for giving us a roll-up window I don't need to pay for that motorized version I am happy to have
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a crank window and you know I have I can do that and likewise we're hearing from people
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I'm fine to open up one set of doors and get into the back of the car it is
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I'm happy to do that for the sake of having a less expensive vehicle.
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Slate auto design chief Tisha Johnson spoke with our own Lawrence Eyelift during an event at Monterey
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Car Week in California. Thanks for listening to this bonus episode of Daily Drive. We'll be back
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on Monday with a brand new full episode of the show.