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Welcome to Daily Drive for Friday, August 29, 2025.
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I'm Kellan Walker in Las Vegas.
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Today on the show, the EU begins the process to cut auto tariffs.
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Atlanta Payne is re-elected president of Unifor and GM lays off hundreds of workers at its
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Plus, our own John Hutter and Paige Hodder joined the show to talk about the new retail
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finance and insurance special section in automotive news, including an effort by automakers
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to form an industrial loan company to help lower interest rates for their customers.
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The FDIC has been kind of picky about approving applications over the past couple years.
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They've approved two in the past like five years.
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Let's run through all the news you need to know to keep up in the auto industry.
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The European Commission says it would remove tariffs on US industrial goods to cut US
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duties on European cars.
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The Commission made the proposal on Thursday.
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It marks the EU's first step in enacting the framework agreement announced last month.
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Under that framework, the EU would accept a broad 15% tariff to avoid a damaging trade
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Uniform members have re-elected Atlanta Payne as their national president.
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The union said in a statement that she won the contest by a landslide at Unifor's
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Constitutional Convention in Vancouver this week.
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The union did not name the others in contention and didn't reveal how many delegates cast ballots
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or the percentage of votes she received.
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And General Motors is laying off about 360 employees at its electric vehicle plant
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That's according to a person familiar with the plan who spoke with us at Automotive
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The person says the layoffs will last for at least a month.
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One of two daily shifts building the GMC Hummer EV and the Cadillac Escalade IQ at factory
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zero will be idled from September 2 until October 6.
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The person says the cutback does not affect production of the Chevrolet Silverado EV and
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GMC Sierra EV full-size pickups also built at factory zero.
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And those are today's headlines.
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You can find more details on all those stories at AutoNews.com.
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Now joining me to talk more about General Motors slowing production at factory zero in
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Detroit is Lindsey Van Hully who covers GM for us at Automotive News.
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Lindsey, welcome back to Daily Drive.
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So Lindsey, what is GM saying about this decision?
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They put out a statement yesterday that said the reductions in the shifts are temporary
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adjustments to production to align to market dynamics.
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You know, it's something that they noted in the statement that they'll do as
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part of a process periodically as production and inventory are trying to balance and noted
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that it is going to be temporary.
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As you said, they'll be back in early October, October 6.
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And so I think what that signals really is, they're really trying to make sure that
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they're not overproducing those two models right now.
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And what does this move say to you about demand for GM's EVs?
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I think what they're being cognizant of, I think what this suggests is that they don't
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need that full production right now, that reducing those two nameplates is just a way to kind
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of keep inventory in line with where customer demand is.
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They've sold through the first half of the year a few thousand of them, I think about
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3,800 almost of the Escalade IQ, close to 8,000 of the Hummer EV through June.
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And they're kind of big models.
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You know, the Hummer EV is in pickup and SUV form.
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The Escalade IQ is a full-size SUV, even bigger than the gasoline Escalade.
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And so the Escalade IQ in particular is actually a new model.
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And so we're beginning to see what sales are going to look like this year.
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I think industry-wide EV demand has sort of slowed from what early expectations were.
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GM's not unique to that at all.
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And I think, like others, kind of looking at what inventory looks like,
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what production looks like, and how they keep the two balanced.
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So we'll be watching really in the third quarter what EV demand looks like
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and whether it gets pulled forward some before the end of the federal tax
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credit for purchases and leases of new EVs, which is set to go away at the end
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of September and we'll get a sense of what that looks like heading into the end of the year.
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But at least for right now, pulling back a shift for about a month on those two
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nameplates I think is just an effort to really keep production in line
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so that there's not too much supply and then having to discount and really try
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to move those that way.
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Lindsay, thank you so much for joining me.
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Coming up, Automotive News has a special FNI section in our upcoming print edition.
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Two reporters who contributed stories join us next to talk about some of the biggest
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Welcome back to Daily Drive.
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Some of the biggest issues affecting dealership finance and insurance offices are part of the
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coverage of this week's Automotive News F&I special section.
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Staff writers Paige Hodder and John Hutter spoke with Automotive News senior retail
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editor Dan Shine about a few stories that are part of this week's section.
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I'd like to welcome back John and Paige to the F&I Friday edition of Daily Drive.
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Thanks for having us.
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We both did Yeoman's work on a F&I special section that will be in the September 1st Automotive
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News Print issue, but also online right now on Automotives.com.
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I want to talk about a couple of stories that you each wrote for that.
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John, I'll start with you.
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Did AN-100 anniversary story about wet signatures and how in this modern day of technology
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that we're still requiring a lot of people to write in blood or in blue or black ink, another
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signature to buy a car?
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Tell us a little bit about why that still exists.
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Yeah, it's funny because I mean, e-signatures have been legal since the year 2000 or earlier
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potentially, but I mean there was the Federal E-Sign Act.
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But what we're finding is you can't really do a car deal without a wet ink signature,
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And where the bottleneck, as far as I can tell anyway from my reporting, seems to be
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with the state DMVs, departments of motor vehicles, they were just not willing to accept them.
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Now, some of them, they might let you scan a form that somebody signed, but at the
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end of the day, somebody still has to physically sign it, which means if you're like, for
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example, I bought a truck earlier this year and it was from a dealer in another state.
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And it was all, we handled everything electronically except they had to FedEx me documents
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I think for the probably the Michigan State DMV.
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So anyway, so that's where the issue's been.
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It seems to be just some confusion on the DMV's part over what's NHTSA is requiring of them.
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But it sounds like they're starting to clear that up.
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So there is hope down the road.
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I am shocked that DMVs are doing anything that's not efficient and quick.
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Just one of these archaic rules that for some reason, I don't know.
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It was funny even that the NHTSA had even told two state DMVs in like 2002 or something
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like that, that it was fine.
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We were talking to guys at Carvanna because, you know, they do a lot of digital retail
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and, you know, they run into this issue.
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And yeah, I guess the word just never got out, you know.
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Paige, you wrote an interesting article about four automakers that are asking
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the FDIC to allow them to charter an industrial loan company, aka a bank.
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It sounds different.
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What is an industrial loan company and who are these automakers?
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So an industrial loan company is essentially a bank, except for it's
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chartered by a business instead of a bank holding company.
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So four automakers, Ford, GM, Nissan and Stalantis want to create these.
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A couple already have them, but they want to use it in a similar way
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that automakers use captives.
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The main difference is an industrial loan company has federally insured
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deposits, so you can raise funds for lower rates and then, you know,
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offer them to your customers at lower rates than a captive whose, you know,
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deposits or money is not insured federally.
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So then, you know, there's different ways that they go about that.
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So it's been kind of slow on the ILC front the past couple of years.
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Not, you know, lots of industries have applications out to create one.
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It's not an automotive specific thing, but the FDIC has been kind of
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picky about approving applications over the past couple of years.
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There's, they've approved two in the past, like five years.
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So how do I get a job like that?
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So, you know, there's a lot of question marks on whether these
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applications will move forward.
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GM actually withdrew its application last year because they've been
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having some trouble and then reapplied later.
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So it's not a guaranteed thing, but, you know, it's certainly a possibility
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and it would change the game and how these automakers are able to
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specifically offer funds to dealers for like commercial financing.
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That's interesting.
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Yeah, it's interesting that it's just kind of really no set procedure or
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process and we'll let you know in the next 30 days or the next 30 months.
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It's like the next 30 years you might hear something from them.
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As far as I can tell, there's a lot of back and forth.
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I mean, they'll offer you feedback on the application.
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You know, sometimes they might say, we don't think this application is
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going to get passed and then you can withdraw it, but it's a process
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that can take years.
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I mean, the applications can just be pending.
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I'm sure there's stuff going on behind the scenes, but it's kind
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of an opaque process and, you know, the requirements to get one approved
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are not, you know, there's some, there's guidance, but it's not like,
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I mean, it's pretty dense, complicated stuff.
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And, you know, it also depends on what the FDIC is thinking at the time
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and, you know, what they're wanting to approve and whatnot and that kind of stuff.
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OK, John, you also wrote about the cars rule in California.
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You know, there's obviously this big push by the FTC that have
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a nationwide cars rule that I kind of got derailed by the Fifth
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Circuit Court, but California is kind of Institute of their own.
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Tell us a little bit about that and why this may be a little bit
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different, more palatable to auto dealers.
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Yeah, in California, it's, you know, it's the same acronym.
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It's the Combating Auto Retail Scams, but it's the Act, you know, Cars Act,
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instead of the Cars Rule.
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And, you know, it's funny when I started reporting this, I figured
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the, you know, the car dealers would be opposed to it.
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But they said they've, the California New Car Dealers Association,
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you know, as reported, they've had, you know, good success working
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with the bill drafters to try to get the language into something
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that they can live with, you know, at least they're not going to support it,
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but they're going to shift from being opposed to neutral,
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assuming like a few more technical things.
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They've hammered out the important stuff they need done.
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They just need a few technical adjustments.
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But I think partly with this one, what is interesting is there's the
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Cars Rule left at very the Fed, the FTC's version left, you know,
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some things very vague.
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And so it kind of, you could read it where it was imposing this really clunky
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process on dealers.
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And I mean, there's still going to be new requirements on dealers,
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but it's very, it's kind of a one-off.
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Like you only have to, you know, like it's instances where, you know,
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you're having written communications with the customer, you disclose,
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you have to disclose the, you know, the total price of the vehicle.
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But it's just once and it's in a written thing.
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It's not, they're not trying to make you keep records of all oral
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conversations you've had.
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So that's, that's different.
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They've also, they've added this, this wasn't in the FTC's version,
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but they've added a three-day return period that the California New
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Car Dealers Association President Brian Moss thinks is probably going to
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become a thing nationwide.
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He thinks other states might follow the lead.
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The way, and the way the dealers were able to make that one palatable was
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there's a price limit on what vehicles, it has to be a used car.
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Customers can return it within three days, but it's only for vehicles
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like $50,000 and below.
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So you can't just check out like a, you know, a Lamborghini or a Ferrari
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and then, oh, I didn't like it.
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I'm taking it back now.
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There's a restocking fee.
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There's, you know, a mileage limit and things like that.
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So again, you know, I don't think they're crazy about the idea,
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but they've at least got it to a format where it's, it's manageable
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and it's not prone to abuse by consumers.
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And finally, Paige, you want to talk a little bit about ID verification
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story you wrote about that has kind of an airport kind of check-in aspect to it.
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Yeah, I mean, so if you've been to an airport in the US at least recently,
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you've probably experienced the face scan technology or seen it
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where you walk up and you barely get a word out and then they're like,
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go because they've already scanned your face and they know who you are.
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So pretty soon, car buyers and dealerships will have
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the opportunity to experience the same thing.
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Gather technology, a, you know, ID verification vendor is partnering with Clear,
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who does like back end ID verification to bring this face scan technology to dealerships.
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So you've probably seen the Clear line at airports, but they also do other things.
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It turns out they verify Uber driver identities
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and also if you're verified on LinkedIn, you know, I'm verified on LinkedIn.
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They power that kind of stuff.
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They don't publish the number of people in the network,
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but I've been assured that it's pretty easy to sign up if you're not in it, you know,
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and because I am verified on LinkedIn, I'm already in the network.
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So if I showed up at one of these dealerships, I would scan my face
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and put in my phone number and it would know who I am.
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It would know my name.
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It would know my address.
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It would have my driver's license number.
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It would have my email.
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It would, you know, anything that's already in the network.
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Just to speed up that process.
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It has and then it can send that to the, you know, the salesperson or whatever.
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It integrates into the system so that they don't have to get you to fill out a million forms
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and so that they, you know, can do some checks on this.
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Like they can see the page has car insurance and XYZ so that we don't have to get that stuff
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out of the way or so that it doesn't pop up early and just like really speed
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the process of the moment that person sits down.
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We could start talking about what kind of fun new car do you want to buy
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instead of like, who are you and are you real and are you trying to steal my car?
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All that fun stuff.
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And, you know, so I wrote about that new collaboration as part of a story about
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just generally some of the new technologies coming out to verify people's identities
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We all know that fraud is really on the rise and, you know, with AI and synthetic
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identities, like it's becoming pretty technologically advanced.
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And so, you know, lots of companies are creating new tools for dealers to
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try and combat that in any way they can.
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And this face scan is one of those new ways.
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So we go from the old of wet signatures to the latest technology.
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So we've got it all covered in the latest issue of Automotive News.
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Thank you both for great work as usual and for joining me today.
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Thanks for having us.
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That's Daily Drive for today.
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Thanks to Automotive News executive producer Jake Nier,
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as well as our own Lindsey Van Hully for her reporting for today's podcast.
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We also have reporting from Greg Lason of our sibling publication,
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Automotive News Canada.
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