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Car
Porsche 911 (996)
The Porsche 911 (996) is a particular generation of the Porsche 911 made around the late ’90s/early 2000s. The hosts are saying the movie shows something like an owner’s manual that’s specifically for that 996 generation.
Brand
Arctic Silver
Arctic Silver is the name of a specific silver paint color. It’s used to describe the exact look of the car’s finish.
Term
turbo
“Turbo” means the engine has a turbocharger. It helps the engine make more power by pushing extra air into the cylinders.
Term
IMS issues
“IMS” is short for a part inside the engine. Some Porsche 911s had a problem with a bearing in that area, and if it fails it can cause serious (and costly) engine damage.
Concept
departure
In this context, “departure” means the movie’s car choice or vibe is a noticeable break from what people expected. The hosts are framing the Porsche as a standout because it doesn’t match the usual expectations for the era’s car culture.
Car
Chevrolet Camaro
The Chevrolet Camaro is a sporty American car with a strong performance reputation. Some Camaros from certain years have been more likely to be stolen, so people discuss which generations are at higher risk. “Third gen” just means a particular generation of Camaro made in a specific time period.
Term
4.8, 6 to 60
“6 to 60” means how many seconds it takes to go from 0 to 60 miles per hour. Back then, those acceleration times were a big deal in car ads and reviews.
Term
4.5.2
“4.5.2” is a number that car people associate with Porsche. In this conversation, it’s used to suggest the movie’s Porsche was chosen for its specific specs.
Term
zero to 60 time
It’s a simple speed test: how many seconds it takes to go from standing still to 60 mph. Faster times usually mean quicker acceleration. It’s one of the most commonly quoted performance numbers for cars.
Term
Civic SI
“Si” is Honda’s label for a sportier Civic. It usually has upgrades that make it feel more responsive and fun to drive. The host is saying the movie’s Civic is an Si and also looks modified.
Car
Honda Civic
This is a Honda Civic Si, which is a sportier version of the regular Civic. The host is pointing out that the movie’s car looks and acts like a tuned-up Civic. It’s part of the scene where cars are racing and drawing attention.
Car
Jaguar XJ
The Jaguar XJ is a luxury car model from Jaguar. Here it’s brought up because the movie talks about stealing one.
Car
Lexus Land Cruiser
A Land Cruiser is a rugged SUV built to handle rough roads and last a long time. Here, they’re talking about the movie using a Land Cruiser as part of the casting, not necessarily a specific “Lexus” model you’d see in a showroom.
Car
Toyota Land Cruiser
The Toyota Land Cruiser is a tough SUV made for rough roads and long trips. It’s known for lasting a long time and handling difficult conditions. The “GX” part is a trim level, meaning a specific equipment/feature version.
Car
E39
An E39 is a BMW 5 Series from the late 1990s/early 2000s. The point in this segment is that the movie swaps to a BMW because it fits the chase better than the earlier vehicle.
Term
CGI
CGI (computer-generated imagery) is digitally created visuals used to simulate cars, stunts, or environments that would be too expensive or risky to film practically. The host is praising the production for using real vehicles instead of relying on CGI for the chase.
Car
LX
The Lexus LX is a big, luxury SUV related to the Land Cruiser. The hosts are saying another character in the chase had one, which helps sell the scene.
Car
Shelby GT500
The Shelby GT500 is a high-performance version of a Ford Mustang. The podcast is talking about a specific GT500 from 1967, which is a particular year of that model. People mention it because it’s a well-known, powerful classic car.
Term
surveillance
Here, “surveillance” just means being watched by security systems (like cameras or tracking). The point is that it’s harder to steal cars today because you’re more likely to get caught.
Car
Ferrari F40
Ferrari F40 is a legendary high-performance Ferrari from the 1980s. People love it because it’s fast, loud, and built to be a serious driver’s car rather than a luxury one.
Car
Ferrari 275
Ferrari 275 is an older Ferrari from the 1960s that’s famous for its V12 engine. It’s considered a classic today, even if it didn’t always get the spotlight compared to flashier cars.
Car
Wagon R
The Wagon R is a small car designed to be practical and easy to drive, especially in cities. The podcast is talking about its value—how much it’s worth compared to other cars. It’s the kind of car people consider when they want something simple and affordable.
Term
Boosted?
“Boosted” means the engine has a turbo or supercharger. That extra “boost” helps the engine make more power than it would without it.
Car
1950 Mercury custom
They’re talking about a 1950 Mercury that’s been customized. “Custom” usually means it’s been modified to look and feel special, not like a stock factory car.
Car
GMC Yukon
The GMC Yukon is a big family SUV. In the conversation, it’s used as an example of the kind of vehicle that could be stolen because it’s common and practical.
Car
Infiniti Q45
The Infiniti Q45 is a luxury car, usually thought of as a comfortable, older-school sedan. Here it’s mentioned as a particular year/model that the speaker expected to see but didn’t.
Car
Porsche 959
The Porsche 959 is a famous, high-tech Porsche supercar from the 1980s. People love it because it was way ahead of its time, and the speaker is treating it like one of the standout cars.
Car
Porsche Boxster
The Porsche Boxster is a small two-seat sports car. It’s designed to handle well and feel fun to drive. “Boxster” is the model name, and it’s known for being a real sports car rather than a family car.
Car
Lotus Elite
The Lotus Elite is an older British sports/grand touring car made by Lotus. Here, it’s just being pointed out as one of the specific cars shown in the movie’s shop location.
Place
Pebble Beach
Pebble Beach is a famous car show in California. It’s known for rare, high-end cars, so it’s a place where collectors go to show off their best vehicles.
Car
Lamborghini Miura
The Lamborghini Miura is an older Lamborghini supercar. It’s famous for being one of the early cars that made the supercar category what it is today. The podcast mentions it because it’s a notable, collectible car that shows up at big car events.
Term
laser cut keys
Laser-cut keys are car keys made with very precise cutting, so they’re usually harder to copy than basic keys. In the movie, the type of key helps the characters figure out what car is involved.
Car
W140 coupes
W140 is Mercedes’ internal code for a particular generation of big luxury cars. The hosts are guessing the coupes in the scene are from that W140-era Mercedes family.
Car
Mercedes CL500
The Mercedes CL500 is a luxury coupe made by Mercedes-Benz. It’s the kind of big, comfortable Mercedes you’d expect to see in a movie—here they’re trying to figure out which exact Mercedes model it is.
Car
Audi S6
The Audi S6 is a faster, sportier version of the Audi A6. The podcast is saying the older S6 models don’t always get as much attention as some other cars. It’s still a performance car, just with a more low-key look.
Car
Mercedes-Benz C140
This is Mercedes-Benz’s code name for a 1990s S-Class coupe. It’s a big, luxury-style Mercedes coupe that many people don’t talk about as much as newer ones.
Car
Mercedes-Benz 560 SEC
This is a Mercedes-Benz S-Class coupe called the 560 SEC. It’s an older “big luxury coupe” model that came before the later 1990s S-Class coupes.
Car
Mercedes-Benz CL600
The CL600 is a more expensive, higher-powered Mercedes-Benz luxury coupe from the 2000s. In this segment it’s mentioned as part of the “people remember these” later CL lineup.
Car
Fiat 600
The Fiat 600 is an older small car made by Fiat. The podcast mentions it as one of the classic cars people talk about. It’s known for being compact and for having a dedicated following among vintage car fans.
Term
immobilizer
An immobilizer is a security feature that stops the car from starting with the wrong key. It usually checks for a special chip inside your key before allowing the engine to run.
Car
Ferrari 550 Marinello
This is a specific Ferrari model: the 550 Marinello. It’s famous for having a big V12 engine and a very “classic Ferrari” look and feel. In the scene, it’s the car everyone is talking about and trying to get.
Car
Ferrari 550
The Ferrari 550 Maranello is a high-end Ferrari sports car. It’s known for having a powerful V12 engine and for being a grand touring car, meaning it’s built for fast driving and longer trips. The podcast mentions it because it’s a recognizable and desirable Ferrari model.
Car
Ferrari 275 GTB 4-cam
The Ferrari 275 GTB 4-cam is a classic Ferrari from the 1960s. The “4-cam” refers to how the engine’s valves are controlled, and it’s part of why enthusiasts consider it special. In the dialogue, it’s basically a flex that the character has real car knowledge.
Car
67 GT 500
That “67 GT 500” is a 1967 Ford Mustang GT 500. It’s a famous, high-performance version of the Mustang, and people really want them, which is why it matters in the story.
Term
louvers
Louvers are the slatted vents you can see on some car hoods or body panels. They can be partly functional, but a lot of the time they’re there to make the car look right for a certain model.
Term
body style
In car talk, “body style” refers to the specific vehicle configuration—like coupe vs. convertible vs. fastback—rather than the engine or trim. The host is asking whether 1973 was the last year of that particular Mustang body style, which matters for identifying the exact car shown in the film.
Term
blue plates
“Blue plates” means the license plates that look a certain way in California. The hosts are saying the movies use that visual detail to make the cars feel like they belong in California.
Car
GT 500, Eleanor
“Eleanor” is the famous car from the movie, and it’s based on a Ford Mustang GT 500. The hosts are talking about how rare the filming cars were—how many they made just for the movie.
Term
CVS
They mention “CVS,” but in this snippet they don’t say what it stands for. Without more context, we can’t reliably explain what they mean by it here.
Term
5 speed
“5 speed” means the car has a gearbox with five forward gears. More gears can help the engine stay in the right rev range as you drive.
Term
trademark enforcement
Trademark enforcement is how a company (or rights holder) stops other people from using a name that belongs to them. Here, it’s about whether shops can sell cars being marketed with the “Eleanor” name from the movie.
Term
VAT
VAT stands for value-added tax, which is a tax added to goods as they move through the supply chain. The point here is that tax rules can influence how shops sell cars marketed under the “Eleanor” name.
Concept
floodgates
“Floodgates” means things start happening a lot more quickly. In this case, it’s saying a court decision made it easier for more shops to sell these cars under the Eleanor branding.
Car
GT500s
The “GT500” is a special, high-performance version of the Ford Mustang made by Shelby. It’s the kind of car people get excited about because it’s built to be fast and look aggressive. The hosts are basically saying they love the car they’re seeing.
Term
T-Lite
“T-Lite” sounds like a specific named feature or version of the car. The hosts are saying the car still has it, like it’s part of what makes that version recognizable. The exact meaning isn’t fully clear from this snippet alone.
Term
rev
To “rev” means to spin the engine faster by pressing the gas. People do it to hear the engine or show how responsive it is. In the scene, it’s part of the excitement about the car.
Term
electronic fuel injection
Electronic fuel injection is how a modern car puts fuel into the engine. Instead of using a carburetor, it uses sensors and computer-controlled valves to spray the right amount of fuel. That’s why people often talk about it when discussing what kind of engine a car has.
Term
Digital fuel injection
Digital fuel injection just means the car’s computer controls the fuel delivery. The computer decides when and how much fuel to spray so the engine runs right. It’s basically a more precise version of fuel injection control.
Car
Jaguar XJ220
The Jaguar XJ220 is a legendary supercar from the 1990s. In this conversation, it’s brought up as the car they could get for the movie’s plan when a different “dream” car wasn’t available.
Car
Mclaren F1
The McLaren F1 is one of the most famous supercars ever made, known for being extremely fast and special. In this segment, it’s treated as the top “dream car” that would have been the main headline pick if they could get it for the movie.
Car
pink Thunderbird
A Thunderbird is a Ford model that was popular as a stylish, comfortable American car. Here, the host is talking about a specific “pink” one used in the movie.
Term
door popper button
A “door popper” is a remote or trigger used to unlock and release a car’s door latch quickly—often associated with power door locks or aftermarket keyless/remote systems. In car-theft and movie scenes, it’s used to get the door open fast without a traditional key.
Term
shaving door handles
“Shaving door handles” means removing or hiding the door handle so the outside of the car looks smooth. People do it to improve airflow and for a cleaner, more modern custom look.
Term
remote controls
Here, “remote controls” means using a remote to unlock or access the car instead of using a key. It’s the idea of electronic entry.
Car
Plymouth Barracuda
The “Barracuda” is a classic Plymouth muscle car. It’s the kind of car movies use a lot because it looks cool and feels like a real performance car.
Term
club
They’re talking about a steering-wheel lock. It clamps onto the steering wheel so the car can’t be steered if someone tries to steal it.
Car
Lamborghini Diablo
The Lamborghini Diablo is a very expensive, high-performance sports car. The podcast is bringing it up because it’s so valuable that people sometimes target it. It’s known for its extreme look and reputation as a supercar.
Car
Dodge Charger
The Dodge Charger Daytona is a classic American muscle car from the late 1960s. It’s famous for its racing heritage, and in movies it’s used because it looks like a real, recognizable performance car.
Concept
green screen
A “green screen” is a filming trick where you film someone in front of a green background, then replace that green area with a different scene later. They’re saying this movie’s action looks like it wasn’t relying on that as much.
Concept
car is below the driver's sitting
They’re describing a special stunt setup where the driver isn’t positioned like normal in the car. It’s done so the stunt team can control the car safely and the camera can get the shot they want.
Concept
driver sitting above on the roof of the car
Sometimes stunt teams put the person controlling the car in a different spot than a normal driver seat. That can help with safety and also lets the filmmakers get the shot they want from inside or around the action.
Concept
stunt driver
A “stunt driver” is a professional driver who does the dangerous driving scenes for movies. They can steer and control the car in ways that look intense on camera but are planned and executed safely.
Car
Ferrari 250S
Ferrari 250s are a set of classic Ferraris from the early days of Ferrari. They’re well-known because they have powerful V12 engines and a strong racing reputation, and they’re very collectible today.
Car
Ferrari F355
The Ferrari F355 is a sports car made by Ferrari. It’s known for being fast and for having a V8 engine. The podcast brings it up because it’s a well-known Ferrari model that many car fans recognize.
Term
pursuit helicopter
A pursuit helicopter is a police helicopter used to follow a car chase from the sky. From above, it can keep track of the cars when they turn, speed up, or go behind obstacles.
Term
half a mile in the air
They’re talking about how high the helicopter flies. Flying higher helps it see the chase better, so the police don’t lose track of the car.
Term
flatbed tow truck
A flatbed tow truck is a tow vehicle with a platform that can tilt down to the road. It lifts the car onto the platform so it’s safer than dragging it on its wheels.
Term
nitrous
“Nitrous” is a special boost you can add to a car’s engine using a tank of gas. It gives the engine extra “oomph” for a short time, so the car speeds up much faster than it normally would.
Brand
Harley
“Harley” here means Harley-Davidson, a well-known motorcycle brand. The character sells motorcycle parts to get money. It’s a quick way to show how he’s trying to change and afford things.
Car
Dodge Challenger
The Dodge Challenger is a muscle car, meaning it’s built for strong acceleration and a bold look. The podcast mentions a Challenger that was modified in a dramatic way, like cutting or reshaping parts of it. People talk about these cars because the Challenger has a lot of enthusiast attention and many customization options.
Car
MV Augusta 750S
This is a famous old Italian motorcycle. The “750S” tells you it’s the 750cc version, and the hosts are basically confirming which engine size it is by looking at the model name.
Term
stunt double
A stunt double is a professional who does the dangerous action scenes. If you see someone doing extreme driving or riding, it’s often not the actor themselves.
Car
Ford Bronco
The Ford Bronco is a rugged SUV made for driving off-road and handling rough terrain. The podcast is emphasizing a “big” Bronco, meaning a larger version that looks and feels more substantial. People talk about it because it’s a recognizable, classic SUV with a dedicated fan base.
Car
Rolls Royce
Rolls-Royce is a luxury car brand. The point here is that the movie uses a Rolls-Royce as the fancy, expensive car involved in the action.
Term
limousines
A limousine is a fancy car used for VIPs or special occasions, usually with a driver. A “stretched” one is longer than normal so rear passengers have more room.
Term
stretched sedans
A stretched sedan is a normal luxury car that’s been made longer. That extra length usually makes the back seat roomier, like a limousine.
Car
Cadillac Escalade
A Cadillac Escalade is a big, luxury SUV. It’s the kind of modern “town car” people might think of, and the hosts are contrasting it with older movie vehicles.
Car
Mercedes-Benz Sprinter van
The Mercedes-Benz Sprinter is a van that’s commonly used for work, but it can also be converted for passengers. The hosts are saying it can be more shared/communal than a typical car.
Car
De Tomaso Pantera
The De Tomaso Pantera is a flashy Italian sports car with the engine mounted in the middle. The hosts are saying it’s one of the recognizable cars that shows up in the movie(s).
Car
Opel Manta
The Opel Manta is an older European sports coupe. The podcast is talking about the original version, meaning the first generation of that model. People mention it because it’s a classic car that stands out from more modern designs.
Place
Long Beach
Long Beach is in Southern California. The host is saying the movie’s car-stolen scene is tied to a real location there, and that both versions of the story use the same area.
Term
oil crisis
They’re referencing the 1973 oil crisis, when gasoline got much more expensive and harder to get. Car companies responded by making cars that used less fuel, which often meant less power.
LIVE
To bring a trailer podcast.
Talking about the 2000 masterpiece gone in 60 seconds, but a little bit different this
time because we're going to talk about two movies, the 2000 movie, which I love and my
mission today is to convince Cam that it is a masterpiece, but also the 74 film that it
was based on.
Before we talk about the 2000 film, let's talk about our history with both.
Tyler, you said that you had watched the original film many times.
Is that right?
Yeah.
I am a huge fan of the original.
I watched it for the first time when I was with my grandma at the mall and we were looking
at the $5 DVDs box.
I was like, this thing looks cool.
It's got this yellow Mustang on the front.
I love it.
I bought it and I became obsessed with it.
I had seen this well before.
Actually, it would have probably been before 2000 before the new one came out anyway.
DVDs were pretty new in 2000, buddy.
Maybe it was.
Maybe it was.
The $5 VHS has been amazing.
Did you see the 2000 movie in the theater?
You remember where you first saw it?
I did not see it in the theater, but I do remember being a young and impressionable,
maybe preteen at the time when that one came out.
What about you, Cam?
I had seen the original quite a while ago.
I remember specifically, I think I stayed home from school sick in eighth grade and it
was on one of those.
I forget what channel it was, but I used to show just old movies on it.
Turner Classic?
Turner Classic.
There you go.
There you go.
The original got in 60 seconds, was on TCM.
Wow.
I didn't know they did movies in color on that channel.
I can't remember my experience super well watching it, but I just remember everything
else that was on during that time of the day was like Law and Order, SBU or Rachel Ray.
That was what I landed on.
You stopped because it was cars or what attracted you to it?
How old are you?
You would have been a kid.
You were a kid, little kid.
I think this was seventh or eighth grade.
Okay.
Both of my grandfathers were in the car, so yeah, I'm sure it was just car movies on.
This looks mildly interesting.
Then the remake of it, I thought I hadn't seen it, but when I went through and watched it,
I was like, okay, I think I've seen like 30 second bouts of this at various hotels that
I've stayed in.
I'm flipping through the channels.
I personally, just from the car person perspective, much prefer the 1974 movie.
It actually felt like it was made by someone who was into cars and worked on them and was
around them a lot versus the pop and flash of the remake, but we can dive into that down
the line.
Oh, it was made by real car people.
Yeah.
I can assure you that HP Hylik, you did a lot more driving than Nicholas Cage did.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, we were talking about Bob Bondran downstairs, so we'll get to that.
Cage is a real car guy.
Okay, go ahead, Beck, what's your history?
I was 15 years old when the new quote remake came out.
I never got a remake.
Here's the fans were on this side of the table.
Yeah, clearly.
And I was perfectly positioned for this.
I absolutely loved this movie in theaters to the point that I have not seen the original
and I don't think I want to, only because I don't want to muddle it up.
There's a fear of like, is it actually going to be better?
I don't know.
The new one was very influential on me in good ways and in bad.
Totally, I think is a phenomenal sort of documented moment in the switch into the 2000s of car
culture, especially when it comes to modifications and what was trendy at the time.
All of a sudden, like I felt like what I liked, I was starting to see in movies similar to
how Fast and Furious, which actually is a year later.
Right around the same time.
Yeah, it came out.
There's DNA of a lot of other car movies in this movie.
Correct.
And also filmed in essentially the same place, too, which is notable, interestingly.
And nothing is in LA anymore.
That's part of why I like the 2000 movies.
Everything's filmed in Atlanta or Vancouver or whatever, or Eastern Europe.
So it's sick to see something that's actually in LA.
Yeah, I think part of it was, I mean, in so much in the 80s, in 70s things were filmed,
or at least set in New York.
And then California became such a much more popular place.
Then making kind of the counterculture of having shows not like the office or modern
family, all these shows that were purposefully nowhere near those sort of mega centers.
And it being in LA and feeling very similar, except for the fact that this was essentially,
we'll talk about it later, but made by a music video director, which is why it feels basically
like a constant music video the entire time.
All right, let me drop this one on you right now.
This just came out of my Porsche just now.
I took it out of my sonny case.
So not only did I see this in soundtrack.
This is the God in 60 Second soundtrack, not burned.
This is the real deal.
I went and paid 20 bucks for this as a 17 year old.
That's same goodie.
Tower Hacker.
I was in slow.
So it was some in San Luis Obispo where I grew up.
So it was some independent record store, but Boo Boo's records, I think, where I probably
would have bought that.
Good shout out.
Totally.
And I've been to Boo's records.
Is it still, maybe still around?
What?
It wasn't until a couple of years ago.
Yeah.
It looks the same as I was used to.
That sounds weird.
I can't really even think of the songs in the movie because it's just constant, just
like generic music playing to tell you what emotion is.
It's not generic, dude.
It's Moby to open it.
Alex listens to Lowrider every day on his way to work.
That's true.
I'm sure he's not listening, but if he-
10 seconds clips though.
It's not-
Yeah, it's fine.
It's fine.
I'm the true defender here.
I was not expecting to be on my back foot this much.
My goal is to convince him this movie is a masterpiece, like I said.
I'm here for it.
17 years old, I'm in auto shop.
This is when I'm really into cars is when this came out for me.
And I'm sure he's not listening, but shout out to Zach Spalding.
Doctors was Zach Spalding now, who was kind of the car guy at San Luis Obispo High School.
We all looked up to him and I remember being worried about this movie and being like, hey,
should I go see it?
And he's like, it's so great.
It opens with this old- I'll never forget this, this old school song in the intro.
And it turns out it's not really that old school.
It's a Moby song, but it's great.
I love the intro.
I've watched this three times over the last couple of weeks because full disclosure, we've
been meaning to do this for a while.
Sorry, Beck.
We've been prepping for this one for longer than usual.
And sorry to listeners, it's taken us so long to get another movie pot out, but I've
watched it three times, including last night.
Loved it every time.
Wife sat down every time she was sat down again last night and watched it through again.
It is 26 percent, 25 percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
And I think it's a crime.
Scandalously low.
Yes. I think that's probably about where it goes.
Yeah. It's one of those movies.
That's generous.
Yeah. It seems to get worse the older I get.
Like I guess a preteen Tyler at 13, 14 years old.
I could totally see why I love this movie and probably Angelina Jolie in it.
And now I'm kind of like, she's not none of this makes I'd forgotten why not that great.
And now I'm yeah, it's just every time I watch it now, it just seems to get a little
worse and the original seems to get a little bit better.
I'm a little bit more on the edge of my seat every time I watch.
OK, good. Let's pivot to the original.
So so I'd never seen it.
I knew this was a remake.
I went and watched it on YouTube.
You can watch it.
I was immediately in because it looks so cool in the 70s.
But by about four minutes in, I was skipping because I was like, it's so boring.
It's so slow.
It's a 70s movie.
It's you can tell.
And I read about it.
You can it's made up and you can tell like it's like not like it's a made up movie.
It's like a, you know, it's a B movie or maybe even a little bit lower than my movie.
A lower, yeah.
But my big takeaway was like, oh boy, it was easier to steal cars in 1974.
Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
I mean, that movie was made for you with a lot of things back then.
I think that movie was made for 100 and 50000 dollars in 1970.
So I was going to add that.
Yeah, what is that?
That's about a million bucks today.
OK, you come.
So imagine, I mean, you couldn't rent a street in L.A.
Yeah, for that kind of money and get the police, the off-duty police
needed to kind of patrol that area and they destroyed over 90 cars and had this chase going.
It was just totally wild.
You could steal cars like that in 1970s.
I mean, you can make a really great movie in the 1970s as an independent,
as an actor, director, writer, stunt coordinator.
And that's that's all what H.B.
Hillicky did. A really great movie.
You can put leather gloves on.
You put leather gloves on.
You can steal anything.
Bank, I'm really sad you didn't watch it.
You got to watch it after.
You have to.
And there's so many crossovers, too, that if you like the new one,
there are so many things that they carried over from there.
So many scenes that if you like the old one, you'll catch it in the new one.
And if you like the new one, you'll watch in the old one and be like,
oh, that's where that the heroin on the ground.
That's almost like the heroin.
That's almost like piece for piece because it almost better executed in the 2000s.
Forced.
That was all we'll get into the we'll go through the storyline here a little bit.
That scene all felt forced because I feel like you guys all should have learned
at some point when you were teenagers, like what a cop comes to the door,
you don't let them in.
What are you doing?
You're conducting a massive crime.
Warrant, sir.
Yeah, do you have a warrant?
Huge nitpick in the new one for me, but in the original one, same.
They do the same thing.
Yeah.
And it's their buddy.
Like that relationship is kind of the same.
Like it's like a cop.
I do love that relationship in both.
Yes.
Dill Rowland is the best in the new movie.
That was one of my big takeaways.
He's a very good character.
He's much better in the new one than in the original.
Good actors.
Big cast in the 2000 movie.
And I think for me, while the chase in the original is it's long, it's drawn out.
Maybe it was like a bit too drawn out.
40 minutes left.
A kill on me.
May I supposed to be on my team?
Well, I will just say, you know, if I was going to put a movie on, neither of these
movies would be probably my choice.
So, but relative to the remake where I felt like in the car chase scene, every
cut was just a different angle of Nicholas Cage's face or a view out from the
cockpit or a close up of a tire screeching.
You know, there was no like long extended shots of cars, you know, maybe
outside of the big jump scene.
But outside of that, I just feel like there wasn't a lot of like, oh, I'm
watching cars chase each other.
I feel like I'm watching Nick Cage do whatever he's doing in the car that he's
chasing someone in.
And it just wasn't, especially with the budget, like a 100000000 dollar
budget.
And I'm sure a lot of that was paying the huge actors that they got to work it.
Yes, for sure.
Or maybe the soundtrack budget, which actually like there is a lot of
big songs in that.
And and terrible CGI, which that was just the time.
But yeah.
But it just felt like for the budget and for how large of a movie it was, like
it wasn't all that like, boom, action, you know, like just really giving you
the chase scene.
I'll give you the original is way cooler on that front.
But blessedly, the chase is not very long in the new one.
It's like a pretty short period of time.
Yes.
Yeah, I'm actually happy they gave it as much time as they did.
Sure.
I feel like in a modern car chase type of movies, those scenes in any really
modern movie, those scenes just are not drawn out like you said they were.
I thought it was 40 minutes on the edge of my seat.
But there, but you just don't see that in a lot of modern movies.
So I actually think the new one, what they did really well was give it as
well.
It had to be 10 minutes.
That scene.
Oh, an E39.
Come on.
There's some stuff to talk about that.
We'll get there.
The E39 is sick.
Commence me, boys.
Oh, OK.
Great.
We'll get there.
We'll get there.
It's interesting.
The thing that I've noticed, you guys saw the old one first, you're nostalgic for
that.
Beck and I saw the new one first and we're nostalgic for that.
I think it's probably fair to say neither are like actual real masterpieces.
I keep using that word.
Like these are like both kind of cult classics.
Like let me ask you this.
Do they both belong?
Because I think they're both clearly in the car movie pantheon, like the
cannon.
Do they both belong there?
Both.
Yeah, exclusively.
I mean, they're definitely car movies.
The only thing I would say is you could tell that the new one was made for a
larger audience.
It was definitely a car movie.
I mean, the scene.
I want to talk about the cars.
It's incredible.
Yeah.
But you could also tell there were more relationships.
There was maybe a little bit more humor.
You had a little bit more of a hero figure in the cage rather than just a
criminal, which I actually kind of liked about the original again.
Was the fact that they're kind of sleazy.
They have to give them a good reason to break the law.
Right.
They have to make it like, oh, it's for his family.
Like it's not about him just trying to make money.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the movie itself, I mean, was significantly better in terms of being a blockbuster movie.
I know.
Tyler's a good guy.
He's going to straddle the line.
Three to one right now.
And I'll agree that the classical modern elements of entertainment, like of how
you get a movie to be entertaining are there and utilized in the movie.
It just really felt like there was a, it kind of came off as they didn't hire anyone
to consult on like the writing when they're writing about the car scenes, when
they're talking about the cars.
The dialogue was the low on the total point.
I think that's the big part for me is the dialogue comes off as so cringy.
It is super cringy.
It felt like they had essentially like an order of operations at what needs to happen.
And then they had a pool of like nineties era comedians just come up with one
liner jokes to basically make people laugh in the scene while the plot moves along.
Yes.
I mean, two Rogers don't make a right.
Doesn't even make any sense.
All right.
And when it rains at pores, that also doesn't make any sense.
It was Memphis rains.
Yeah.
I mean, the names are good.
Who are the, I would give the writers credit for good names in the new one.
Okay.
Now I'm going to go back on it.
It's undoubtedly a bad movie, but it's of that.
It's of the.
How sell it?
No, no, no.
Because again, I may have to do with age for me and back to it's from that late
nineties, early 2000s, bad era of moot.
I would actually say I like this for almost the exact same reasons I like Fast
and Furious, which has all these same sins.
Yes.
A hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
So I think maybe just the writing was a little bit better in general.
The original one.
Well, that's because that was written by David Ayer.
I didn't even write down who wrote this.
So as you said, directed by Dominic Senna, I think that's how you say it, right?
He's Italian.
Swordfish is his only other movie that I know about, which is a famous stinker.
Okay.
Have you seen it?
That's that's the TVR.
And I fell in love with TVRs.
Is there in that?
Yeah.
Okay.
And he notably, I mean, Swordfish was the film he got after this basically
because I think I would imagine because this was a hit.
That's the other thing.
This was a real hit.
Well, and Swordfish was playing off of a lot of the technological
advancements from the Matrix, which would have been in production probably
at the same time as this big one being the bullet time footage.
So, moving around.
And so the Matrix did that.
Everyone flipped out.
And then two years later, Swordfish came out.
They basically combined this cool thing from the Matrix and the director
from this giant summer blockbuster hit, put him together, made Swordfish,
which was kind of a week.
Kind of.
Oh, and it had Wolverine.
It had Hugh Jackman in Swordfish.
I thought that was a Travolta vehicle.
Is that?
It is Travolta.
Jackman, the director of Gone in 60 Seconds in bullet time.
Oh, wow.
Like they just basically like just sort of show off.
They were like, Cha-ching.
Yeah.
Try to get to the bank.
Yeah.
Be curious.
And I should have done some research on this, but maybe one of you knows.
What was the impetus for doing another Gone in 60 Seconds movie?
It was our girl Denise.
So like we got to talk about her at some point.
I don't know how deep we want to go into it.
We've had interactions with her team here at BAT.
I mean, good parting thoughts.
OK, great.
We can close with the Eleanor Contravert.
We should we actually probably should close with Eleanor in general,
which is also an interesting way to revisit the original movie,
because I didn't realize how different the Eleanor from the 74 movie
is from the Nicholas Cage movie.
Which is the big question.
Is it a character?
Oh, no, no, we need to get to that.
We need to get to that.
Yeah, I think the courts decided that it was.
They have.
There's been numerous courts involved.
So like you said, Cam, 90 to 100 million dollar budget,
two 37 mil at the box office.
This is a legitimate hit.
But so was the original one made on a shoe string and then made.
I couldn't find reliable numbers there because I got 40 mil.
I saw that probably until today.
That means overall.
I think it made more money in the last 40 years than it made in the first 20.
The Nick Cage movie was on TV a lot and absolutely was a huge seller on VHS and DVD.
So it made way more than two 37 million like over over like the decades, right?
Our guy, Jerry Bruckheimer, producer, like I.
Amazing.
Most of the movies we've done so far for BAT at the movies are Jerry Bruckheimer.
You know, I've I've exclusively done BAT at the movies with Robert DeVall movies.
We'll get to Robert DeVall corner.
That will happen.
Oh, yeah, we've got.
We've got exclusively been involved in these with Robert DeVall.
Nice.
I think that opening credits with Bruckheimer, the road and the lighting.
The lighting just fantastic.
Totally brought me back.
Opening credits are great in general.
We don't do that in movies anymore.
Style like the movie bullet very slow.
Well, now this one because of the soundtrack and the camera work, it doesn't feel slow.
It feels very fast and punchy and notably a phenomenal job of storytelling in the opening.
Tells the story of the family.
I miss the photos of the family.
It starts with them being happy when they're young and the dad is there too.
And then the dad disappears from all the photos and now they're looking
sad and then Nicholas Cage disappears.
And then pretty soon Giovanni Robisi has long hair.
The first time watching the movie.
Did you pick up on that?
Because I only noticed that this time.
Was I was like, oh, there's young Giovanni Robisi.
Also, the set design changes.
If you notice all of a sudden when the dad dies, then around the picture frames
are like stolen head units.
Right. Oh, I didn't know that.
Literally, it is almost like Game of Thrones.
Opening scene where like everything seems very chosen and the pictures are important.
What's around the pictures is very important.
It's very good.
I love telling the story that way or setting the scene because then you can
dive right in from the start.
You know what the masterpiece for that is?
Happy Gilmore.
It's him like, remember, he's all the odd jobs he's working and he's putting
everything between his legs and doing the humping motion.
Like it tells you everything you need to know.
You're ready.
Now that is a great.
That whole scene leads into there's a.
What do you think the tomatoes is on?
Happy Gilmore.
Should we even look it up?
You think it's lower or higher?
Oh, my God.
That's got to be in the 90s.
It's no way.
I'm sure it's 75 plus.
I would say 60 something.
I bet it's 51 percent.
We're talking about the critics.
Happy Gilmore one, right?
Happy Gilmore is like one of the best.
It's a masterpiece.
It's maybe my favorite movie.
He's coming of all time.
Okay, that's better than I thought.
I think I said 60.
All right, you win 66 on the Internet.
95 in my heart.
Yeah, we can't we can't do any quotes from happy.
Good.
Let's not turn this into a happy Gilmore pod.
So great move from the opening credits to right is that the camera then pans to
Carmag with the 9 11 on it.
And then that turns into the opening scene.
Yeah, 996.
What is it?
It's an owner's manual for 996.
Isn't it?
Is it?
No, there's no.
Might be owners.
You would know, Tyler.
I think it's the owner's manual with the silver 996, which is a dot one at that
point.
Brand.
It's a brand new car.
That's the car that was like, oh, that's the big one.
When they're making this movie, it is genuinely brand new.
It's been around for like one model year, essentially.
And I love that it's a base.
Yeah.
Arctic Silver.
That's kind of all you get is turbo.
There's pre everything.
And for Beck and I, you could get a car for or a car.
And for back and I supplied that.
Oh, for sure.
Arctic Silver car, too.
That thing was on a pedestal.
Yeah.
And for Beck and I, this is like kind of spicy at the time because it's like
abandoned there.
Cool.
Like we were portioned people like us were worried about the 996.
So by that point, we knew nothing about all the IMS issues or what the interiors
were going to feel like 20 years later.
It was more just about that this was so hyped up.
Yes.
And it was such a departure.
It makes a lot of sense that that was the car.
Also, it makes a lot of sense.
They steal it in a third gen Camaro.
Yes.
The fact that they pull up in an IROC and that's what they go steal is just
phenomenally car kids.
And the performance was like, it was crazy.
Two younger guys like 4.8, 6 to 60 doesn't seem like anything.
That was such a huge deal in the late 90s.
And they even quote it in the movie.
Oh, it says 4.5.2.
Yeah.
Which is the Porsche number, which makes me think you're right.
The Porsche provided that car because it was actually a little faster for all
the magazines.
I remember all that.
Yeah.
They pushed it a little bit on that.
Well, you're going to see why this is so nostalgic for me because this was just
a formative time in my life when this came out.
Like I can quote the road and track zero to 60 time of a new 996 from my head.
Right.
I can't remember what I did with my kids last week, but I can remember that.
Great.
I think other car casting is Rubi.
So he goes in, breaks the glass, pulls the key, drives on the street and pulls up
next to, I believe it's a blue Honda Civic, which makes it modified SI, modified
SI, which makes it feel very much like for a hot second.
I was like, oh, did fast and furious come out before this?
And no, it's actually ahead of that.
Oh, yeah.
Which was great.
And they go for the race and that's what gets the cops involved.
Civic SI beating it for a while.
You know, but also has the mindset to stop in front of the where the cops are
driving by.
Is this where he's like, hey, baby, you're so talented?
Or is that a different part?
So many of the beats of this movie came back to me when I watched him.
Man, that might be the best line in the movie, though.
Rubi's is great.
A lot of guys are cooking.
He's the best actor in that.
Just so you know, Cam, I do have stuff on my notes.
I literally have a key for stupid stuff.
So like there is a lot of stupid stuff in this movie.
Yeah, but I do think to give the remake some credit.
I do think it did a better job at like emphasizing why car people are car people.
Maybe in a sense versus the original, where you probably have to be a bit in the
weeds with things to maybe connect with the leading character in the car sense
versus the baseline of the 2000 remake.
I think anyone mildly interested in cars at the time when they're seeing that
would like they would understand and that would resonate with them.
The kind of cringy language that was being used to talk about the cars is
probably the language that a lot of the people that watch that movie and were
slightly interested in cars.
That's the way they would talk about them as well.
And Fast and Furious is chock full of that stuff.
It's actually a worse.
It's worse.
A worse.
Yeah, actually, I didn't think that to give it credit.
I didn't think the remake was that bad.
I only saw a couple of things that kind of struck me as being weird like
Synchro Mesh.
The Synchro Mesh.
But he was all the same.
We're going to know that.
I don't even.
Fast and Furious.
That was a weird one.
Jesus.
But there's things like, you know, they're talking about stealing the Jaguar XJ and
it was like they went off with a four door sedan, but then he crossed off the XJ220
on the board.
But there's a good Angelina 220 scene at the end.
Like a little brief one.
Yeah.
But there wasn't.
It wasn't bad, though.
I mean, I didn't notice a lot that they got wrong.
I think they knew what they were doing when they wrote it.
So when we see the list of cars for the first time that you're referencing, right,
there's actually a 220 on that list written in black ink.
Did you guys ever do like the mystery?
No, I never did that.
Black light pens.
I had one of those.
I was like a spy.
No, Magic, Magic, Inker.
What did they call it?
Something like that?
That's what they put on your.
When you go to a concert at an underground bar or something, they just kind of swipe
that over your wrist and you have to hold it under the black.
Well, you do it on like a twenty dollar bill or whatever it is.
Like, make sure it's real at all.
The only person who's been to a party like that in real life out of us might
have seen it on movies.
He's looking at you.
He's looking at you with tremendous skepticism.
I've seen it done.
I've heard it's a thing.
Then a great cut Wednesday.
They have to run out because the cops have chased them to the base where all
the cars that they've stolen so far with the big list of cars that they're supposed
to steal, they get out of there somehow and they split this getaway.
It is run down a.
Yeah, they haven't escaped.
I was wondering about that clearly.
But in the in that process, we are given the foreshadowing of how this is all
going to be taken down, which is they accidentally break the light bulb.
Oh, yeah, the black light that allows them to see the list of cars, which will
then book and later into the film, but then hard cut into Nick Cage running
with little kids and go carts in Independence, California, which is a real
gas station still exists.
That's right.
Where I grew up.
That's right in my hometown.
Classic like nineties, two thousands.
We're going to go from a blue filter because it was nighttime to an orange
filter because it's hot time.
Speaking of Jerry Breckhammer, that's a little bit of Tony Scott.
But that's like totally totally.
Tony's top gun to the next.
I got a little bit of a con air vibes in the desert.
Sure.
Yes.
I mean, anything, anything.
It's like also like Sicario, like anything filmed is supposed to be in
quote, Mexico.
It's just like, let's just put an orange filter of everything.
And if you look in the background, you usually see Mount Whitney's right in
the background there.
You can see all the storms over it.
You know, one of the reasons the characterization might be so different
cam is because now I'm not comparing the 74 God is 60 seconds to bullet, but
it's in that era.
It's that seventies era.
That's what Halecki was going for, right?
Is like, man, a few words.
We don't need to explain the plot very much like the seventies new Hollywood
thing and the 2000s.
And the cage movie is coming right after the freaking nineties, which is a
totally different kind of.
Let's lay out the entire plot.
We're in the American pie era, dude.
You know, like that's the kinds of movies that are coming out around this
time. So they're both reflective of their arrows.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
In the original's defense, I actually thought the plot was much better laid
out than in bullet when we had to have to explain it to us.
Like you could pretty much.
And I feel like that like a dozen times.
That's how I figured it out.
Like, all right, we get it.
Like the guy goes out in his boat to meet the South American cartel lord in his
really cool sea plane and gets offered 400 K.
Oh, that was 50 cards.
Like we get it.
Okay, you're jacking cars.
I think you're talking about the 74 movie.
That is sick.
This is what this has to lay out.
We're just trying to make some money, you know.
Yeah.
This one's somewhere in the middle, right?
They have to do all of this sort of opening stuff to let you know why the
younger brother gets into trouble.
The next scene we get introduced some of the best characters, but definitely the
probably the best character I think in the whole movie is Castleback.
Is that in Del Ruellendo?
Del Ruellendo.
He's so damn good and young Olafant.
There are so many young man.
My wife gasped.
Yeah, my wife did too.
Timothy.
Oh, she's like, I'm on this.
Well, there was another young face.
Did you guys catch it?
I mean, there's a million on Michael Peña.
Oh, yes.
At the end.
Yes, I was like, what?
Who's this little?
There are so many people in it.
In the opening scene, we've got Scott Conn, who's the man and who babies have for
me once.
Did he really?
Yeah, totally random.
Young guy looks like a boxer.
Because I was another talk about another not great movie that I love and
nostalgic for Varsity Blues.
Scott Conn and that.
He's great in that.
I just love that movie.
Well, it is dad's one of the best actors of all time.
Of course.
And from the 70s, New Hollywood.
But you've also got that guy that you might not recognize.
We have Will Patton at the beginning, your son's namesake, who's the kind of old
buddy of Nick Cage's, who's for the bad guy.
We'll get there.
We'll get there.
He's an Armageddon and everything.
Yes.
And we have, I don't know the actor's name, but he's kind of the Keanu Reeves
ripoff, who's you may recognize from Independence Day.
Everybody's named Pizza.
He's the son.
Miguel.
Miguel.
Yes.
Now that is one of the best movies of all time.
Yeah.
I think you and I agree on that.
Castlebikes shows up.
Remember what he was cast in?
They change it inexplicably.
His car changes.
A lot.
It changes a lot.
But the first car he shows up in the GX.
Yeah, Lexus Land Cruiser.
And a Land Cruiser, which I thought at the, when I first saw that, I was like,
that's perfect car casting for who he is.
I think it's good car casting all around.
His car casting is perfect too.
But it switches to an E39 later on, which I thought, they just needed something
sportier for that.
Well, they needed something that could do the chase.
And thank God it's not CGI.
And someone else in that chase was driving the LX.
So I think maybe that department had a couple of like,
What is that department?
Is that the, they're like Grand Theft?
The Grand Theft.
It's Grand Theft.
Which is why L.A. has got it.
Which is why the.
I think it has its own Grand Theft detective department.
Well, it didn't need it.
It had to Randall Rand's left.
Okay.
And, you know, all of that went down 47%.
That's right.
That's right.
Kip is then placed in the same Camaro that they had tried to steal.
Oh, that's right.
The LX-11 in to go because now he's gotten caught.
All their cars got taken away.
The police are onto them.
So the person who has hired him, Keletri, to steal all these cars,
he's going to, you know, basically kill him.
Right.
The way he's going to basically get Nick Cage to come out of retirement
to steal all these cars is by, you know, putting Kip in the Camaro
and they're going to smash it.
And they do the best job ever of making everyone hate Keletri.
Oh, yeah.
Because he hates.
This is the worst.
This is the worst.
This is the worst part of the movie.
Probably the worst villain.
Well, and again, speaking of a movie,
if it's time it comes after all these European villains,
you can't have American villains.
Well, and it's what's his name.
Who's so great in Die Hard is where it all starts.
And like now you have Hans Gruber.
Right.
Instead of evil guy, you've got buttoned up educated European guy
who's like supposed to be so scary.
He's making coffins and shit.
He was a woodworker.
No, he's bored by baseball.
Why is baseball on the TV?
Yeah, it's in his office.
It's bad.
He's putting it on and he's just like, this is bad.
This is bad.
Cam, this is where you get all your credit.
This is the bad.
He is a very soft bad guy as far as.
So was it this deal in the original to be
educating me here was 50 cars for 40 K 50 cars for 400 K.
So in this one, it's 50 cars for 200.
They were underpaying him to do.
Did you ever thought this was ridiculous?
Some numbers on that.
This is insane.
Oh, yeah.
I was like, wait a second.
Tyler would make Tyler ripped out his spanky sense.
Yeah, this doesn't make any sense at all.
So they went from 400 K to 200 K over the course of 30 years
when $400,000 in 2000 should have been one and a half million,
which is about what you would expect to be a 50 car boost pay off.
From our experiences.
I mean, that's typically what I.
What would you charge?
What would it take for you to steal 50 cars?
How much money would it be?
I think more than a half.
I got to get 50 a car.
I think it depends on what the cars are.
Like he's just the 67 GT 500.
That's in 2000.
That's at least 100 grand.
Also, it's way harder now with surveillance.
So from being the best car multiple times,
they refer to that as being the best car on the list.
They steal the.
I forget where they steal them from.
Maybe just someone's collection.
Maybe the Ferrari dealership or something,
but they steal a bunch of Ferraris and they leave the F40.
Yes, we'll get to the NAD.
You know, yeah, and it was a lot of stuff.
Yeah, a lot.
And the 275 gets like no credit for being the best car,
which just got to be.
I mean, are we agree on this?
Well, there's some weird cars on this list,
which we can review.
One of the things that's common between the 74 movie
and the 2000 movie is that so many of the cars
that felt cool at that time have such a different legacy now.
And that's true of both movies.
Like when you see the full list, you're like,
I mean, we'd list everything on bring a trailer,
but a lot of it is like not as exciting as it was.
Yeah, that's a great point.
And a lot of the cars, maybe half on each list
are big deals now.
But yeah, well, at the time, like all the Rolls Royces,
they were taking.
It's an issue of there's some vintage stuff
that's still great now,
but there was a lot of stuff that was just hot right then.
And that's automatically going to depreciate, right?
Like a 2000 Volvo turbo wagon R, which is a cool car,
but it's not worth it.
Is that on the list?
I don't think you see that one.
Boosted?
That's number of favorites is that.
No, yeah.
You know, there's.
Do you have the names too?
The whole list with names.
The Volvo was Lisa.
Oh man.
They steal a 355, but it's specifically an F1, not a six.
Well, because that would have been pretty exciting.
That's exciting.
Or I was like, no, we want to get the F1.
A 99 Cadillac Escalade.
Okay, so a 1950 Mercury custom,
like just a car that it's like, what?
They scout that one.
That's the one where they go to the club and everything.
And it's like, wow.
See you later.
That's a very specific thing for a criminal to want.
We should stop and do it now.
The worst car they want.
I was going to vote for the Escalade.
I'm like, somebody's stealing mom's Yukon.
It took me a minute.
It was a whole season.
We have that car in my garage right now.
I actually liked those a lot,
but like that seems like a weird addition.
But I think the Volvo might actually be the saddest.
You guys have the fullest in front of you.
I mean, no 99 Infinity Q45.
Yeah, I do.
I like those too.
Saddest to who?
That was a Rachel, by the way.
I would steal a 2000 Volvo Turbo R
before I steal an Escalade.
Total, I think that's a way cooler car.
There's some sick stuff here.
A 656 Speedster.
There's some stuff.
There's a Golding on the list, but they never show a Golding.
Yeah, 959 was also.
Yes.
Did I see a Boxster get pulled up?
Yes, Boxster is Marsha.
Yeah, that might be Marsha.
Marsha Marsha favorite.
That's pretty.
All right.
So they convinced Nick Cage to get into fixing this whole problem
by threatening to kill his little brother.
So Nick Cage, the king of stealing cars in LA,
is brought back out of retirement, goes to Kip's house,
and immediately they have to show that Kip's
like an in-cape bowl of like doing anything correct, right?
So he like starts a fire on the frying pan
for some effect of just like, look how horrible
this kid's life is.
And then Nick Cage just like douses it all.
They really laid that scene on thick.
That was a real thick scene.
And he douses it out with, I don't know,
baking powder or whatever.
Basically, it was just them being like,
we need to show that he's going to solve his problems.
And here it is.
But the music in the diner, I remember being like super epic.
It's always epic intense soundtracks going,
whether it was a song or not,
it's just always there's music with background
trying to sort of tell you how yours feels.
Well, you said the director's music video director.
I didn't know that.
Yes.
It makes sense actually.
Do you know what music video he directed before this
that got him connected to Jerry Brackheimer?
He directed the music video for the Top Gun theme song.
Oh, interesting.
Not obviously Danger Zone, but the notes here for it.
Here it is.
Mighty Wings?
Dominic Senna started in music videos,
several Janet Jackson videos.
That tracks.
And directed the Top Gun Anthem music video.
That's with Harold Fultmeier on the piano.
That's the opening scene in the mist in Top Gun,
which is like so good.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Okay.
In the video, Steve Stevens,
Billy Eidle's lead guitarist is in it as well.
Oh, interesting.
Who just got put in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
Oh, wow.
So real rats to him.
Yeah.
And Brackheimer's chose from the start,
he wanted a music video director for this movie.
And since Dominic had just...
This is after...
Well, Top Gun's 86, right?
So it's a long, long run, but he basically...
But this is after Tony Scott said no to this movie.
That's not in the notes somewhere,
but I'm sure they wanted him originally.
That would have been interesting.
Is the next scene assembling the crew?
Cause that's my favorite part of this movie
is when he gets the old Dan back together.
I love that.
When he goes and finds all the old guys,
the guy who's doing the driver's training and all of that.
Yes, we're seeing Robert Duvall.
Yeah, we see Duvall.
Because it goes into montage.
Yes.
Of basically making the crew, right?
It's a heist film at this point.
We're moving into Ocean's 11 style.
And we need to go through the whole...
It's almost always the best part of the movie.
My favorite is...
You gotta get the band back together.
He gets on the phone and calls up one guy
and you can tell that this man's very busy with a woman.
Yeah, oh yeah.
Oh, I'm sorry.
You sound very busy.
Very busy.
Some people are dead.
Some people are in jail.
And it turns out one of the guys actually ran away
with this.
Great. I love that.
It's all fun.
That part was really entertaining actually,
where it was like, he ran off with Frankie Fish.
He ran off the floor.
Oh, Frank Fish, he's in prison right now.
Yeah, I love that part.
It is a real location, the Autos shop.
It's a real location, but it was torn down in 2016.
Oh, what a bummer.
It's a cool building and a lot of interesting cars
out in front.
Did you guys look and could you tell what was out in front?
No.
There's a Lotus Elite body shell out in front
the whole time.
And what looks like a cut up PF coop,
Ferrari PF coop.
And then at the end, they have different cars out in front.
And there's interesting cars inside too.
In that montage, Sphinx, one who doesn't speak,
he's working in a morgue at the time when he gets the call
and he gets his own theme music.
I like this, that, no, huh?
It goes like really Euro club music.
Okay, yes.
And it cuts to him in the morgue.
And the best part is when he's eating the same way.
He puts it on the corpse.
He puts it on the corpse to take the call.
And he picks it up because he doesn't talk.
They say, Sphinx, if it's you, press a button.
He just presses a button on the other phone.
And then that music, the exact same music comes up again
when he's reintroduced in the car park with Master P
whenever he's gonna do cool stuff,
we're gonna put this music in there as well.
Is this montage when he goes to the bar
to meet Angelina Jolie?
Yes.
That's part of it.
He goes to her shop first.
Left Bank running lean.
So that was one line that really stuck.
I was like, who put that line in there?
Can you even hear that a left bank is running lean?
But I also love when he goes to the bar, walks up,
starts talking to Angelina and the guy's like,
can I get my drink?
And Nick Cage just crashes out immediately.
Why the hell are you asking for a drink?
And then guy continues to ask for it a couple times.
And then I really hope that one of the cars
that got blown up in the parking lot outside wasn't his
because dude just is trying to have a drink.
And I walked out, I was like, okay, clear.
I'm not getting my drink.
Walk out.
The car blows up.
It was just, I was like.
And he was a nice guy.
You know, guys getting aggressive with him at the bar.
He's kind of playing it cool.
Just be like, whatever.
You think they're gonna get my drink?
Yeah, the guy's chill.
He says, no problem, man.
I don't have to pay for my drink.
Okay, fine.
Appreciate it.
It's also kind of that you're saying
it's the only time Memphis loses his temper.
He's like cool as ice in this movie.
And it's the only time he kind of loses that.
It is just sour.
But you do get a great Nick Cage.
I mean, can we just take a second on Cage?
I love Cage in this.
He's got blonde hair and he's like.
The weird hair is a little hot.
I like it though.
I listened to him recently plug for the New York Times
weekend podcast where they interview people.
He's such an interesting dude.
He's so fascinating.
And what is his original family?
Who's his uncle?
Coppola, Coppola, Francis Ford Coppola.
And he's definitely a carcler.
I saw him when I was about 10 years old at Pebble Beach
and he was in a Miura, I think he was like in the back.
I mean, he's a big car collector.
This leads into Sphinx saves them because it was big fight.
It's because there's a little sub story of Johnny B.
Who apparently was jealous that he couldn't get the deal
to steal all the cars.
So that's why he shows up wanting to beat up Nick Cage.
But Nick Cage is saved by Sphinx who shows up.
Does the whole explosion with a car?
You had to have a car explode for some reason.
Yeah, there's a lot of fire in this movie.
Again, music video.
Music video.
It is shot beautifully.
I think it looks great.
Every person is lit in a way that is physically impossible.
Like there wasn't light coming, like naturally
coming from these places.
But everyone looks amazing in it.
But this then gets to lead into once they've got the team
assembled, a car shopping montage, which we've alluded to
already a little bit here.
That's actually one of my favorite.
They're working together as a team.
Oh, to find all the cars.
Music in the background.
And they're basically going around to go take the pictures
and everything.
Which, similarly to the breaking the black light bulb
being a bookended moment that was important to recognize
and then know later, another one was them taking the pictures.
Because the whole time I'm thinking again, like don't let
the cop into your crime scene.
Also, why are you documenting?
I know, totally.
Why do you want to be caught with a little memory card
that's got a picture of, you know what, funny enough,
we found 50 stolen cars.
Unrelenting.
What are the chances?
There were pictures of the exact cars on your phone.
What have they considered?
I know.
But it plays in bookended because when Hasselbeck has to move
his car in the driveway.
Yes.
And then he will.
These are the laser cut keys for all the Mercedes.
When he's about to go steal the Mercedes,
he in a cage sees something different.
He wants to go look and sees in the photo that he took before
that the car is moved.
And that's how he knows that they're onto them.
And the ladies are dirty.
Are the laser cut.
So I couldn't quite identify the laser cut key.
Are they W140 coupes?
Is that what they are?
Ever totally sure.
I think they're 1,500.
There is a CL500 in, I thought.
But this is before the curved cars.
So this is, I think, still 140, right?
I don't know.
I remember like the Michael Jordan car we had.
Yeah, it is.
They're not the curve.
They're like the old school S6.
That is like a forgotten car.
We don't list those very often, Cam.
They may be called a C140,
but it's the 90s S-Class coupe.
The one before it, the 560 SEC,
is that what it's called?
The big coupes.
Those are popular.
The 26.
Right, and then people like the CL500 and 600s
from the 2000s.
But you kind of forget about the 90s W140 coupes,
which is, I think, what these are.
And it's interesting because they're super expensive cars
in 2000, but that body style is about to disappear.
And that's probably the worst appreciation
other than maybe the escalate of any car
that's in this.
What, those were probably six bigger cars.
Explain what's the laser cut key thing?
Is that a thing or are they making it up?
I think it looks like a boxer, Tyler.
I don't know what you need to know.
I assumed there was a electronic receiver
that you had to have in the key itself.
That was the security element.
Oh, like an immobilizer.
An immobilizer.
That's why they couldn't move it.
Like a chip in the key.
Correct.
My 96 Cadillac had a chip in the key.
So that's linked to the vign of that car.
Which is why they would just steal,
that's why they would just get the keys.
They wouldn't actually try to steal the cars
in the old school style.
But they call it laser cut.
Because I think they wanted the word laser.
Yeah.
To be involved with.
That's totally what it is.
I think you can still steal them.
I don't actually think you need the key.
I think you could still steal those cars without the key.
Either way, the whole car shopping montage
has a lot of great gems.
It's definitely harder than 1974 though,
where all you do is wait for the person to walk away.
Because they all leave their keys in the car.
Yeah.
That's how you end up with a car full of heroin, Alex.
Right.
Don't steal the car with keys in it.
Why did you boost a car that wasn't on the list?
Yeah.
Take it back.
My favorite line in the movie is said,
during the car shopping montage.
And it makes me actually think of our fearless leader here,
Alex Porter, when Nick Cage says to Sway,
I'd booster and just blast the Palm Springs,
instantly feeling better about being mean.
I could imagine Alex saying that to himself, just like,
three Manhattan's in at home, kids are in bed,
life is there.
I could just see you saying that every other day.
Where's the laser-cut key, man?
Get me out there.
Get me out there.
I do love it.
Driving through the desert at night, especially on a warm day,
there's nothing.
There's a Beck song from Sea Change.
Desert Wind to Cool My Aking Head.
I think about it all the time.
Also part of this era, that album's from around this time.
Totally.
A few highlights.
Another favorite scene of mine is when Nick Cage is in the Ferrari.
We're not sure if the Ferrari dealership or some sort of.
Oh, I love when he's doing the play acting.
He has the do-shoot.
He's pretending.
And he's as the self-indulging.
I saw three of these cars driven by self-indulging
greeners outside.
Is there a 456?
What's he pointing at?
He says a Ferrari 550 Marinello.
Oh, OK.
And then they steal a 550.
Well, then he asks, well, I wouldn't be a self-indulgent
wheeling wheeler if I was driving a 275 GTB 4-cam.
I would be a connoisseur.
And the dealer says, well, I don't have that here,
but I do have one in my warehouse.
And then it cuts in.
Nice, slow zoom into Nick Cage's face.
And he says, what else is in the warehouse?
I'm sorry.
Could we talk about the idea that the guy felt bad,
that he didn't have a 275 4-cam?
Mind you.
Ready right there.
That's confusing.
Because it's supposed to be here.
It's supposed to be a retail Ferrari dealership.
So it doesn't totally make sense.
Yeah, I would think that.
What did a 550 cost?
$200,000 at the time?
The 275 had to be a $2 million car back then.
I don't know if it was, but it was expensive, for sure,
and collectable.
And it comes up a couple times.
Duvall mentions it when they're listening to the noises.
That's also a 275 reference.
There's a lot of 275 references.
Also in the original, that was one of the cars stolen
in the original, too.
Oh, that's right.
Which would have been almost in period.
It would have been just a few years old at that time,
which is kind of neat.
One other 90s trope that this has.
So this movie's $2,000.
To me, it feels very much like a 90s movie.
It has a lot of 90s tropes.
Another movie that it owes a lot of debt to as bad boys
from five years earlier.
That look that you're talking about, that's like very.
Low angle up.
Everyone's shot from below.
And everyone looks sweaty.
And it's either nighttime with a blue filter,
or it's hot time with the orange filter.
And everyone's got perfect highlights all over them.
So that's Michael Bay.
It's $95.
He was also a music video director, I think.
Oh, maybe.
He did a music video.
I don't remember what it was.
I know he did one.
But Alex, I was thinking about you during this movie,
because I know you're such a big Michael Bay fan.
I love Bay.
And he was making Pearl Harbor at this time, just FYI.
A little bit different direction.
Speaking of our masterpiece.
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
But I feel like the entire cinematography
has a lot of tribute to his work.
Oh, for sure.
Like, I think if you didn't know he didn't do it,
you might guess this might be.
Perfectly reasonable to have thought this was a Michael Bay.
But it's not good enough.
It's like a low-regions-R and P.
But the trope I was going to say, Cam, is,
because they also pair the old crew with the new crew,
which is actually kind of like.
A lot of great scenes.
That's a good idea.
I like that.
The young crew is so 90s and very fast and furious.
They always have the computer guy.
What can you do with a computer?
I can break into the C&P mainframe.
I can change addresses.
That's pretty helpful.
Yeah.
That's probably the most helpful job that anyone's doing here.
Yeah.
You can't do all the stuff in 1974
that they were doing.
The computer guy could actually just do everything.
Yeah.
He didn't need any of this.
So the last scene of the car shopping
is the reveal of the hero vehicle.
It's the Eleanor.
Well, yeah.
Cam, what are your thoughts, man?
No, say it.
Come on.
Well, that is just like the cringiest scene in the entire.
It is like.
Because it has the, oh.
Exactly.
It has to tell you how to feel about the scale of it.
And when he walks up to it and is like murmuring sweet nothings
to do its exhaust pipe.
I'm like.
You want to die.
Yeah.
We're going to go nice and soft.
I'm like, so what's interesting about that is like,
I never got that until I finally rewatched it.
Like that's another part that is an unexplained tribute
to the original one, but they don't even really explain
in the original one.
Like Eleanor is a name, but it's a repeat name
for the same kind of car over and over.
There's a kind of confusing mythology about Eleanor
and what that is.
In the original, did they sort of explain
that he's got bad history with the car?
Like, do they say?
They go through all the things.
He wants to roll one off up here.
In both movies, it's not one specific car.
It's a model of car that he has the thing with,
but each one is Eleanor.
It's like a weird.
Oh, is it not that?
And that's how I always thought it was.
In the new one, it is the specific car.
No, it's not the original.
No, I think it's supposed to be the original.
Eleanor is the nearing four.
It is made of.
Four of them in the original.
They just need a 67 GT 500, which is what they need.
It's on the list.
And this is the one that they've decided to offer.
That's like the same in both.
It's just, they just need a, it's weird.
That's the name.
I really took it specifically in the remake
that he has tried to steal this specific car many times.
Oh, I mean, that, Vin.
That's what I thought.
I could be wrong.
I never thought.
I don't think, I think it's just GT 500s.
I mean, there's the whole, one of the stupidest parts
to me as a person who actually likes cars is that they're like,
oh, GT 500s are rare.
It's like, there's only one in LA.
It's like, that's of all the cars.
Exactly.
More of the one, right?
Right on the street almost.
Yeah.
But in the original, there's, he's like,
goes after like four different ones.
It's a normal car.
I mean, it's a 73 Mustang sports roof in the original.
So, it's a gorgeous car.
Is that a Mach one?
It's not.
It's just not, which is disappointing.
Cause I love the, I love the louvers.
It needs louvers.
But yeah, it's just a regular yellow sports roof
in the original and they see a bunch of them.
And if someone maybe could school me,
I know you guys are big on Mustangs.
73 was that the last year of the body style?
Cause in the original, they refer to it
as kind of the last of the Mustangs.
What would you know what he's talking about?
You're getting awfully close to the dark days
of the Mustang at that point.
But, and that's kind of been one
that I've never loved that era,
but I think it looks great in the original movie.
The 73 sports.
The original, the movie makes you.
But yeah, part of it is the color
and the stance and the tires.
And also God, that movie, clean California blue plates
everywhere, it looks so freaking great.
Right?
There are a lot of blue plate nods in the remake too.
I was really impressed with that.
Well, because they are not that far,
2000s a long time ago, you know, like in fact,
let's see, I didn't even think about it.
So we're, that's actually,
so we're equidistant.
Yeah, 86 would have been the last blue plate.
So.
Yeah, but what I mean is the distance
between the original movie and the remake is 26 years
and we are now 26 years removed from the remake.
That was totally intentional.
That's why we didn't do this a couple of years ago.
Oh, sorry.
Yes, that was on purpose.
That's right.
I mean, I assume.
That GT 500, Eleanor, the one in the movie,
they made 11 of them for filming.
CVS, which was, what's it called again?
I thought Chip Foos had a hand in it, didn't he?
He did, he designed a bit of it.
Cinema vehicle services, made the 11 cars.
I got two different names.
It's just 5 speed, it's got some cool things to it.
Steve Stanford designed it,
but it says created by Chip Foos.
So it's a little bit of a movie.
He's probably a stylist on it, right?
They've been a stylist on it.
He probably like did the rendering
and then Chip Foos like built it.
Notably, Meekum sold two of them from the movies
because of the 11, three were fully functional.
The rest were all meant for specific scenes,
jumps, crashes, that sort of thing.
One was kept by Brockheimer.
Oh, they built one for him with a bigger motor.
Built one for him.
The seven of them were returned to CVS,
two of which have come to auction,
both sold by Meekum, one in 2013 for a million dollars,
and another one more recently in 2024, 800 to 2000.
Now, could those cars be Eleanors?
I imagine those are the ones
that can totally be called Eleanors,
you could always get the naming of Eleanor
if you just paid to get certified for it.
That was how it was.
That's how it was.
Correct, you weren't supposed to use it
unless you got their permission
and their certificate of authenticity,
which we had some run-ins with
and we were kind of cautious about it,
but that's now all over and you can't trademark a car.
Yeah, thanks to Ford for taking care of that for a buck.
No, it was Shelby.
Shelby, okay.
They were in the back and forth with that organization.
The widow of the creator of the organization.
For some context, the issue was if it was a prop,
for example, a back to the future time machine,
if it was a Batmobile,
that was considered something that you couldn't trademark.
The concern was if it was a character,
and the argument was that Eleanor was a character
in the way that basically enforced it was,
well, there's a character named Eleanor in the first movie
and a character named Eleanor in the second movie,
and it serves the same purpose,
so that's no longer a prop, it's the concept of Eleanor.
And so that was the trademark enforcement for a long time,
which we dealt with that.
We had people who wanted to sell Eleanors on VAT
for a long time, we just had a policy to just not do it
and avoid the issue.
Some other shops had other tactics to deal with it,
but ever since.
So delicate.
Be erratic.
Yeah, eventually because of the latest court resolution,
essentially it's opened the floodgates.
And so we're back to selling,
I think you can see Eleanor style in the headline.
Do you remember if you liked it in period?
I think I loved it in period.
I think I did too, and I think that all I can remember
now is all this controversy has ruined these cars for me,
and now I dislike them, but it's not a terrible build.
It's kind of an interesting car.
I wish it was just a standard GT5.
You could drive nowadays,
you just would want a regular old body.
There's a lot of them.
So I think when that movie came out,
and this was our first time seeing that car,
yeah, it's hard not to love.
I mean, GT500s are sick.
Yeah.
And they still got the T-Lite.
But this rendition of it, also very sick,
and now God knows how many of these things are out.
I mean, thousands.
There's gotta be, I don't know if there's thousands,
maybe hundreds.
Maybe hundreds.
Well, so earlier when I asked kind of,
what was the impetus for doing a remake of this movie,
you guys kind of alluded to the fact of it being this woman?
Yeah, so she signed a contract with Brachheimer
to remake the 74 film in about 94, so about 20 years over.
So this must have been in production for some amount of time.
That's why I joked about Tony Scott being asked first.
I don't know if that's just making that up,
but it seems like they would have wanted him,
or maybe Michael Bay to direct it.
It's definitely in that vein.
Got it.
Yeah, it just seems like for such a,
I know it was a pretty successful movie back in 74,
but still I would consider a cult classic,
and not one I would expect to receive
a $100 million budget on a remake.
That's more what I was trying to,
what studio exactly is like, we need to read you.
Brachheimer, man, he was on a screen.
There is a little bit more of a backstory.
There was no more Simpsons anymore, I noticed.
It's only Brachheimer.
I don't know what happened to Don, right?
I'm not used to seeing that.
You want them as a pair.
Yeah, so H.B. Hylik, he started making a Gone in 60 Seconds 2
in the late 80s, and unfortunately,
he was killed while doing a stunt in 1989 for that film.
Oh, was that self-made again?
He was doing the same thing.
He was doing the stunts, the writing, the directing,
everything, I'm sure his budget was bigger
because his movie was a hit at this point.
But yeah, so unfortunately, he was killed during it,
and they kind of then canceled the whole project,
because without him, there really was no production.
But that is your question, Canada.
That was probably the pickup of that, right?
Yeah, so then if you're saying 94 was when this started,
that would have just been a few years later.
That's probably where it came from.
So after all the car shopping,
Castlebeck pays Otto's garage a visit,
and this is the homage scene that I've heard.
They basically replicated it from the original movie.
Blowing the cocaine, the exhaust is the same.
I still think it's better in the original.
Really?
Well, there's bits and pieces of it that are...
Castlebeck gets in the car, and he's like,
is this something that he'd be thrilled to do?
To rev this, what is it, North Star?
I actually like that part,
because no, he's like four point,
it's the terrible four point one liter
electronic fuel injection, but it's the one time.
Digital fuel injection.
It's the one time where everyone seems like
they know about cars a little bit.
I don't know, I kind of like it.
You break it, you bought it, my friend.
Yeah, Duvall yells at him.
Even when he's phoning it in for a little bit of a paycheck,
he's still so great.
That's actually probably the best combo acting moment.
It's the only moment where I think
Otto and Castlebeck interact.
Yes.
And it is Castlebeck and Otto interact,
and that is fantastic.
I mean, they're just...
And you've got Cage, and you've got Donnie,
who's my other favorite, who's the former driving instructor.
I love that character, he's great too.
He's a great character, amazing character.
When the guy tries to stick him up,
and he gets so angry, and he tells him he's lazy,
it's so well done.
But I'd be remiss if, for fans of the originals listening,
if we didn't talk about that,
the heroin scene in the original,
when one of the best parts,
so they did something different,
where on this one, the heroin fell on the ground
underneath the tailpipe behind the car.
Same thing happened in the original,
except instead of getting him to rev the engine
to blow it away, they were like,
oh, why don't you just get in the car and back it up?
So I can't remember the guy's name,
but so he can get in the office,
and they're all nervous, right?
And this is something that like,
the acting was so bad in the original,
but there was also some things that they just did so well.
So the cop gets in the Castlebeck in the original,
whose name was Hawkins,
and the guy back the car up so he can get in the office.
So he backs the car up,
the guy opens the door,
and he just slams into the front of the car.
Like, he's supposed to be backing the car up
so he can get into the office,
and he's still just like, just wax the door,
because he's so nervous.
So he just, and he says, oh, that's good, thanks.
And just slams the door into the car.
So great.
It's like just one of those,
it was probably the funniest moment in that movie.
One of the best moments in the original.
One of the things you would like about the original,
the Castlebeck that I actually thought was pretty smart.
And I don't know why they couldn't have replicated in this,
but the main character, the Nick Cage character,
played by the director of the movie.
Main dream pace, other great name.
Yes, Main dream, what a great name.
But he-
Which is H.B. Heliky.
Correct.
He is like an insurance investigator.
So like the cops are his buddies,
because he's helping investigate the very crimes
that he's committing, which is kind of a sick little twist.
That was a better twist, I thought,
than just they were friends with Castlebeck
because they were criminals.
This was like he worked with the cops.
So they were really colleagues, they knew each other.
There was a reason for them to be so crammed.
As opposed to just having history of cat and mouse.
Yes.
Although there's some good lines from the cat and mouse thing,
but still.
So while Castlebeck is in Otto's garage
is when he notices the radio frequencies
of the the others who are working that night,
which is why he knows it's on for that night.
And thus we've been cut into the start of the heist,
which has another great montage
is like them starting just going out
into their different places.
I mean, this is now like a 20 minute montage
until we get to the car chase
is just them picking up all these individual cars.
Funny moment, Nick Cage rolls out his tool roll
of all the things he uses instruments.
One of them I swear to God is a butter knife.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just a little butter knife.
The thieving tools in the original
is also one of the parts that's really good.
Like all the special things and the license plates
that are in there and then their weird homemade tools
is pretty cool.
So the hidden water heater.
Yeah, water heater shelf.
I mean, that's high tech for 1970.
No, there's really cool stuff in that.
And but again, even though they show all that stuff
most of the time when they steal a car
just get somebody left their keys in it.
It's actually like you actually don't really need
all the tools.
There is also the great scene that is early on
in the new one where Giovanni Robisi is like,
I need to get my tool and it's just a brick.
He's like, that's a brick man.
He threw it.
You're right. Tyler mentioned they go to the Ferrari warehouse
and they don't steal the F40, which is amazing.
Was it not on the list?
I actually haven't checked.
It probably isn't.
F40 is not on the list.
That's why they didn't do it.
You don't steal a car that's not on the list.
No, I don't want any of that turbo, turbo crap.
No, no, no.
Apparently the reason they had an XJ220 on the list
was because they couldn't get a McLaren F1
which would have been like the real halo car
in this, but there is no F1.
And in 2000 though, would a McLaren F1
have been a million dollar car?
Yeah, I mean they were crazy.
They were almost brand new in terms of
they weren't crazy yet in price.
And that 220, come on.
The 220 is great.
That's what I'm saying.
There are so many cars that are so much better
than the 67 GT500.
Well, even when, and when, I mean, it's just a coincidence,
but when Angelina drops it off, she's like, great car.
It's like one of the only times somebody says,
that's exactly what she says, but I can't remember
where she says something like that.
She's like, looks back over her shoulder.
Maybe something a little.
It's only in it for like a second.
The pink Thunderbird, I thought was a strong car choice.
That one's stolen outside the casino, I believe.
Is that right?
My first ever, when I was a teenager saw this movie,
I saw them do the door popper button underneath the door.
That kind of, I didn't under...
Was that on the Mercury probably?
Yes, on the Mercury.
I didn't really understand that scene then of like
why you would ever have that,
but it's before shaving door handles, right?
Yeah, door popper on a lead sled.
Now it's all remote controls.
Right, exactly.
Another great line then would be obviously
when they discover that they're being tracked
and that's the ladies are dirty.
When that's set across the radio
and they all have to go be back at Otto's shop.
A Barracuda is stolen by taking off the steering wheel.
Did you remember that moment?
So it's got the club.
I wanted somebody to explain this to me.
It's got the club on it.
He's like, here's a trick I learned
in like thief retirement or something.
He takes the steering wheel with the club off,
which I don't understand how that would help.
Unless it was, they don't show the resolution.
Does he put a different steering wheel on?
Do you think?
It must have been,
because he puts another steering wheel on,
but it didn't say that.
That would make more sense than anything else.
But they never show him like tossing the club.
It's just all of a sudden he has a steering wheel
that doesn't have a club on it.
Have any of you guys ever used the club?
Yeah, back when I lived in New York,
my dad would always club his Cadillac
when he parked it on the street.
Shout out to our guy, Robert.
Clubs the 86, which is awesome.
Is it purely so that like the wheel can't turn past?
Correct, it would get stuck where your legs are.
Simple solutions, Cam.
There's nothing wrong with that.
And you're the other one that was always,
I saw it wasn't, I don't know if it was called the club
or not, what was the one that you would put
like behind the gas pedal and you would stretch it out
and you would lock it.
Yeah, I didn't know what the wheel spoke.
I don't know what that was called.
I don't know what that was called.
That was so you could never actually push one.
Yeah, I remember seeing that one a lot too.
Interesting to learn on that one.
When they're stealing the Diablo from like the
Super Bowl Diablo, last year of the Diablo,
but then eventually they decide right now
to go get the three Mercedes that they had stolen earlier.
They're in the impound lot, they get the keys.
And when they get to the impound lot,
it's the first time that they're wearing masks.
They never wore masks before all of this, right?
They were never worried about security cameras.
In 2000, that's, so in the original,
that was the best part was no masks.
I mean, you didn't need it.
No security, yeah.
But in 2000, I mean, yeah,
the police impound lot for sure,
but would you think there would have been in
I think a Ferrari dealership.
Ferrari dealership.
Yeah, of course they were.
But that does just indicate like 2000 is longer ago
than you think.
And this is one of those movies that like could not,
I mean, I guess you could do a remake of this now,
but it would have to be considerably different.
Like 2000 and 1970.
You can do more closer to the original now, I think.
I think 1974 and the year 2000 are closer in time
in some ways than 2000 and 2026.
A lot of great cars in the background.
We start seeing cars getting loaded into containers
to go on a ship and we're seeing just the fruits
of their labor start to arrive from different people
and all the workers who are clearly like,
I don't know, again, my spidey sense,
like you don't take pictures of what you're gonna steal.
You also don't involve like 20 dock workers
who will now all know what's going on.
Too many people now.
Too many people now.
They're all afraid of Raymond Coletry.
Raymond the carpenter, Coletry,
who is just a carpenter.
There is no, yeah, just with weapons.
Yellow Daytona, so charger Daytona on the background.
Oh yeah, the blue Daytona in the background.
I scammed that one.
And then of course, it gets to the end
of the montage of stealing cars is now gonna be Eleanor
and leads us into the big car chase,
which at the time, I totally get what you mean, Cam.
It's a lot of cut shot, quick stuff,
mostly to mask a lot of things.
As a teenager, I thought it was wickedly awesome,
ripping through the city.
Of course, now as an adult,
I just think about like,
this guy isn't a protagonist anymore.
The number of people who would be dying.
Oh, you would know like the original.
Oh no.
Oh my God, there's no one.
The original.
Yeah, when I said it's a movie about criminals,
I mean, he's a criminal.
Yeah, well, it's Nick Keeves though, right?
He's gotta be the protagonist.
He's gotta be the hero in all this.
And so they are very careful.
So much so that even when the E39 gets hit
by the wrecking ball,
Oliphant goes to go check on him and like,
are you okay?
Yeah, when he goes, yeah, yeah,
I'm all right.
And it's like, what do you mean?
And then the door is like,
the door is like 34
there's a way through there.
And Oliphant says, yeah,
because you just drove through a wall.
Oh yeah.
No concussion protocols back then.
No, no, no.
Yeah.
And then they're like, oh, taking off.
I like the use of the E39 and like,
there's the bad CGI jump,
but it is mostly still real driving.
It looks like no green screen.
Which like today, you would never get any of that.
They would be all fake.
Or it would be what we've seen a lot of,
especially in Ford versus Ferrari,
which was the car is below the driver's sitting
in the driver's seat, but the steering wheel does nothing.
And then there's a driver sitting above
on the roof of the car that has all the mechanical controls.
Or it's on the trailer sometimes.
Or a stunt driver, that too.
But like a stunt driver can essentially move the car around
and they can put cameras around the person who's in the seat.
That's what they did most of the racing in Ford versus Ferrari.
So there was a guy sitting on top of the car.
Sitting on top, they can watch the whole scene
and move it all out.
And that way the actor can really do anything
that they want and they don't really have to watch
where they're going.
They can act and do whatever they need to do.
But also they have like the car free from tow trucks
in front or behind and they don't have to use green screens.
This one, like I agree, it looks so real.
We'll get to the jump eventually.
But up until this point, this all, I think looks...
So Cage went to Bondurant.
He like went to a bunch of schools.
He learned how to drive it.
I looked it up.
I mean, it's hard to believe the internet,
but he's got Diablos and Ferrari 250s.
And he's got all kinds of interesting cars.
He's a guy who, I was right.
He's got a Mira.
So like he's got all kinds of interesting cars.
It's not a, he's interested in cars,
knows how to drive them.
And then you can find a couple of articles
and he's done interviews on it.
He went to driving schools and learned how to drive.
And he's very proud of doing all the driving himself in this.
What one other great driving moment is when he's driving
backwards through traffic and there's the kid.
I was just seeing him, he smiles with the kid.
That's great.
I mean, you got to either build in them up,
they're building them up.
Like he's entertaining children.
You got to love them.
The man's a movie star.
Come on.
He'd done a much speaking of Bay's follow up to,
is to bad boys was the rock, Nick Cage.
And there's the great chase scene through San Francisco.
Yes.
The Humvee and the F355, which you've never,
I'm only borrowing it.
Oh, that's a great chase scene.
We've ruined Cam.
He's like, I'm never going to believe you.
A movie is going to get the rock.
The rock is awesome.
The rock is actually a very good movie.
Even better.
So in my notes, it says 93 cars were wrecked.
I mean, that's the soft internet.
That was what the original was.
Oh really?
Either they did the same thing.
It's an homage.
Yeah.
Tyler, it's an homage.
Yeah.
No, they had to do three more or something.
Maybe.
Yeah.
Then this leads them to the LA River,
which has the dumbest use of a pursuit helicopter.
I never seen.
This thing is one of my favorite parts of the movie.
The whole point of a helicopter
is so that it can be half a mile in the air.
So you don't lose the car.
That's the whole point.
And this whole center is closer to the Mustang
than the police cars on the ground.
It's a thing.
Did it go under the bridge?
It went under the bridge.
I just thought we're like, well, we got this helicopter.
I love Terminator 2.
So let's just start.
Crazy stuff with it.
Again, music video director.
I do love it though.
When it's, you know, he hits the go baby go.
This is when that's the scene that kind of like.
That's cool.
LA River, you're never not happy to see it, right?
For a chase scene.
Anytime you see the LA River, it's a good thing.
Grease or T2 or whatever, it's always good.
It's always good.
Or in Grand Theft Auto, the video game,
which I've been replaying recently, which you're.
San Andreas.
Absolutely.
You're down in the LA River.
Makes me really want to get down there
and drive something around.
It's probably not quite as awesome as we could do that.
I wonder if we could hold post something there.
Could you rent the LA River?
Great question.
We've had some BET cars or photo shoots in it.
Just a controversy where I believe a bunch of cars
were just taken by LAPD for doing like an unsanctioned
car meetup in the LA River.
And I want to say it was like 40 cars or something
all just got towed for some sort of event.
So there's never actually any water in it
than it sounds like.
I think in major storms there might be, but not much.
There's a little channel in the middle that's like separate.
I don't think it ever goes.
Yeah, all the algae's there.
Then during this whole story, we get some background.
Kip gets from, I forget the guy's name,
who's the helper who comes, convinced Nicholas Cage.
Atlee.
Is that what it is?
Atlee Pine.
That's Will Patton.
Is that guy's name?
That character was in the original as well.
I love Will Patton.
He's the redeemed guy in Armageddon who's got the wife
and kid and he saves the raw.
He's such a great actor.
Kip got a little bit of a chip out of his shoulder
because his older brother left them.
Basically the reason why he had to go steal the cars
himself was because Memphis Reigns, Nick Cage,
had left the family.
And that's when Will Patton explains to them,
like you're an idiot, they were coming for you.
Your life was set up for you.
You would have been fine without him.
He had to leave for you.
And that starts to be the corrective direction for Kip.
It's also when I made the connection on the photos
at the start and I rewatched that after the movie was over
when you start to realize that's when all of the photos
get really dark is after Nick Cage is no longer in them.
I'm gonna add to Inyo County.
And basically they talk about how their father had died.
Earlier they say they would have both been still working
with the dealership had their dad not died early.
And basically Kip had no male role model,
which is why he was led into a life of great.
So it kind of backfired a little bit.
The like, you know, you'd think the male role model
staying and doing the right thing.
But then you wouldn't have a movie.
Cause they can't just be criminals.
There has to be a reason.
There has to be a good reason to steal all these cards.
The chase on the pier, which we talked about
with the big wrecking ball is awesome loose air tank.
That is definitely CGI, but it's done really well.
I know that was surprisingly done.
That was done surprisingly well,
but then they get to the Vincent Thomas bridge.
And that is where there is some sort of medical emergency
that's blocking two lanes of traffic.
There's probably even a car crash.
The flatbed tow truck is lowered down.
Nick Cage stops his car cause he's stuck in traffic now.
He's tense.
He's looking forward.
He's looking backward.
He makes up his mind.
He sees the cops coming.
He then bolts backwards and reverse to get a long run,
then puts it in forward and rips it all the way down the bridge
to go hit the flatbed tow trucks ramp,
which is now angled upward like we've all done
in Grand Theft Auto 3.
Yes, that's such a Grand Theft Auto move.
And we go from what is an amazing car chase
to the most ridiculous CGI of a car I think I've ever seen.
And how bad it is, I remember being 15 years old
in the movie theater and thinking that looks bad.
I mean, at lunch, we were having this whole discussion
about when things start to go awry on CGI
and it's right around this era.
And I think this is where like I'm talking
about these YouTube lines, like our debate YouTube lines.
When you see the jump in the original,
it is 100% real and H.B. Heliky actually damages back.
He like pressed his car.
Like permanent damage from this.
And when you see the car land, the front end is crunched.
I mean, he really jumps the car.
Well, and you can see it kind of happens in this one too.
And then they kind of hide it.
Then they put it back.
Like at the end, the car is like, dent it up again.
It would destroy it obviously.
I would have much preferred like a one-tenth the size.
Totally.
That was even marginally believable.
Even if the car is like truly crunched and damaged,
but like you can still maybe nurse it while driving
then this giant, it flies to the air.
The angels came back.
Oh yes.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
And the helicopter would have caught up by now.
I mean, when you have to wait.
Although there's a point at which the car is allegedly
going like 170 or something and it's accelerating so hard.
Well, yeah, that's what he hits the go baby.
Yeah, oh, but go.
That's right.
He's like nitrous.
It looks like he's going.
Man, this guy is fast.
He never probably just the car.
He was a good driver.
So it was not just the car.
They finally get out.
He finally makes it away from the cops.
He makes it back to the scrap yard
where Kaleetri is waiting for the final car.
But he's late, right?
The alarm goes off.
He's like a few minutes late.
Kaleetri knows references to, I remember saying,
Reverend Seaman the Cincinnati kid or Billy the kid
at one point, which was such a weird life.
Well, that's when Will Patton was starting to,
that's when he turned, became good again.
Bring me him.
Yes.
And he fights, yes.
Well, he sort of seems like he's a good advisor
the whole time, but yes, he decides he's going to.
You know, he's going to end up being good.
Of course, you know, right from the start.
But that's when it even though he drives the kind.
I think he's the elder brother, dude.
The North Star elder brother.
Those have like disappeared.
Do we have a room listening to those?
Can we probably have?
I must have.
And then this is where we get to his favorite line
or I remember it was Ken was sad that never rains,
but it pours.
Oh yeah.
That was between that and two Rogers don't make a right.
I feel like that kind of sends the movie going.
The only reason I like two Rogers don't make a right
is that he's playing a character
that's supposed to be really obnoxious.
It works for the character, but even,
I mean, I know obnoxious people, they wouldn't,
that doesn't even make any sense.
Now the, he says, you wanted 50 cars,
I bought you 50 cars.
And Kaleetri says, no, you bought me 49 and a half.
He's so mean.
That part.
Such a bastard.
He is pretty mean.
He's, you just can't satisfy the guy.
No.
This is, we referenced Terminator two earlier.
This is also-
Oh, the end has total Terminator two.
Total Terminator two.
There's sparks everywhere all the time.
It's also really hot, even though it's probably really hot.
But there also like, there's like furnaces and like,
and there's there on two levels.
Rated stairs and steps and all that.
And then he falls through at one point and he's holding.
And you're telling me that he wouldn't have seen him
through the great, great experience.
Right up to it.
But then the cops are there and they all get involved.
The end is like, it's a little, it's not very awful.
The hero can't kill, right?
Yes, that's right.
So the hero goes and trying to save Castlebeck,
who's now been caught by Kaleetri, he's got the gun.
And he just shoves Kaleetri out of the way.
This happens to push him over the wall.
To save a police officer.
To save a police officer because he's actually a good guy.
Right, he is.
And then Kaleetri falls.
He's a great guy.
He likes kids.
He likes kids.
You know, he takes care of his mom.
That's right.
Buys the guy the drink.
Yeah.
He bought the guy the drink.
Come on.
Kaleetri falls, what looks to be like 10 stories now
somehow lands in the coffin that he had built.
Pre-made coffin.
Ready.
I mean, that was set up beautifully.
I just like, it's corny, but I like that part.
It was a full circle.
He's not, it was a lot of foreshadowing little details.
Yep.
Have to come up later.
And then that leads to the brother's love.
Brother's love.
Brotherly love.
That's the takeaway from the movie.
That's right.
Brothers love each other.
And then the good GT 500 at the end.
The one that I actually want.
Yeah.
The one that's when Kip is trying to show
that he's changing his ways to.
Sells parts from a Harley that allow him to afford.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah. Can confirm that's not how that works.
Yeah. Yeah.
Can we do a little Robert Duvall corner?
Yeah. Yeah.
Absolutely.
All right, Chris, bring us into Robert Duvall corner.
Okay.
Insert awesome sounds.
I love the smell of my pump in the morning.
A Robert Duvall super weird connection
to Nick Cage in this movie.
Oh.
Robert Duvall appeared in The Godfather,
featuring Scott Kahn's father, James Kahn,
and was directed by Nicholas Cage's uncle,
Francis Ford Copeland.
That's right.
That is a great connection.
Isn't that wild?
He's the consigliariate.
He's like the best part of The Godfather.
Loved.
Loved.
Yeah, he's calm.
Right.
Yep. That's right.
My favorite part of it.
He's in the horse head scene.
Yeah. He's brutal.
He's like the one who actually, he's like secretly,
he's calm, but he's secretly like the most villainous
of all of them.
In a way, Duvall is also the bad guy in this movie
because he's the one who trains because Nick Cage's father
dies and didn't have basically a way for Nick Cage
and Kip to continue in an honorable profession
in the car dealership business.
They end up going to go steal cars.
How interesting.
And at some point, Nick Cage talks about his education.
Right? He goes to those garages.
Like, where's my education?
He's the replacement father figure.
He's just a dog drowning in a bad pack.
So Robert Duvall is finding teenage boys
and teaching them how to steal cars and chop them up.
He is the actual villain in this movie.
But you can't make him a criminal.
He's reformed now.
He's reformed.
Is he supposed to be a little bit of like,
hlicky as an old man?
Oh, is this the same universe?
Well, I'm wondering about it because one of my favorite things
about the original one that I could have used
in the new one is they actually show them chopping up a car.
They show how you, they have this whole great scene
with a challenger, I think, and they chop it.
They like literally saws all the lines.
They just played 000 gal.
They change the odometer.
They take the, like they take the broadsheet off
from underneath the seat.
They take the VinD cal off and they steal a different car
and turn the chopped up one into it.
And it's pretty rad.
Incredible process.
And that's clearly what Duvall's shop used to be.
And I wish they'd had like a little three minute homogathing.
So in the original, I think Duvall's character
would have been pumpkins, which would be
Main Dream Pace's girlfriend.
It would have been her father.
Cause it was a family run.
That's right.
Investigation Shop.
And it was her and her two brothers.
Their father I think was the one who talked.
That's what they have that wedding scene
were the who the owners of the shares.
So he's the boss.
And that's right.
Because the father passed away.
How old do you think that cage was in this movie?
50.
No. No.
Younger.
I'm going to guess.
I'm going to say 42.
Oh yeah.
I got he's not 70s.
I think he's younger than that even dude.
I'm going to guess 38.
36 years old.
He's younger than me.
Yeah.
Remember, people didn't have the great hair specialist yet.
There wasn't all the journeys to Turkey.
I don't have a hair specialist.
You can see it's a natural.
I meant for the actors.
You can see it with OlaFant too, so handsome, but was, is already starting to lose his
hair and now he's always as full as it's ever been.
How old do you think Giovanni Robisi was?
20s, right?
What do you think?
Well, it's 29.
He could even be younger, honestly.
Yeah, because he was in Friends for a season.
29 as my age.
That's true.
Good poll.
Yeah, like 21, 22.
He was 25.
Okay.
Same age as Angelina Jolie.
She was 25 years old.
I mean, she looks young in this.
Yeah.
I didn't realize it was that early for her in her career.
Yeah, I didn't realize that.
This is early.
This is before she would have never done this later.
She's so highly billed and she's in it a lot less than you think.
Yes, she's not.
She's a questionable white girl with dreads.
Questionable.
Yes.
That is not age-strung.
I'm not full of dreads.
Like, there's really straight.
Yeah, like, my wife and I have this kind of water hair.
She's just on a water hair.
They couldn't quite get it.
They're not tight, tight curls, but they really were driving.
She's a little dirty.
Do you have any props though?
She showed up on one of the coolest motorcycles ever made.
Oh, yeah, she's on an MV, right?
Which is an MV Augusta 750S.
Okay.
I'm pretty confident it's a 750 because the 1000 would say it.
Yeah.
And we've sold a couple of them and this is the bike with the quad.
And it's that simple scheme where they're silver with their half silver, half red.
It's a perfect motorcycle.
And she actually, interestingly, she did a lot of driving work as well.
Yeah, that's not a stunt double, right?
She gets off at a turn or is it hard to tell?
It is definitely a stunt double, unfortunately, because it's like, it's really...
But she knows how to fly.
She's got a pilot license.
Well, that's the thing.
She learned how to ride a motorcycle for this movie.
So I felt a little bad that she wasn't able to actually use it because...
Yeah, it was unfortunate.
They do the classic thing of like the character shows up on the motorcycle and then it cuts
to a close-up shot of just her removing the helmet.
Yeah, okay.
Which is fine, but they used a three quarter, an open face helmet instead of a full face
helmet, which is what you would actually use on that bike.
So that part was kind of weird.
Like they could have hit it actually much better.
Two hours, seven minutes, doesn't feel like it.
I think it's pretty...
Wow, no, it does.
But so you watch, that's the director's cut.
Oh, really?
Yeah, the normal one is under two hours.
It's like an hour, 50.
Interesting.
I don't recall their, like, what the...
I think I watched the regular one next.
I don't remember seeing over two hours on the pause button.
Shout out to Tubi.
I watched it on Tubi before it's aired.
So it was a little longer for me.
I had to rent this the first time.
Where did you guys find it?
Where was it streaming?
I had to rent it.
I hate to admit this, but I actually bought it because on Amazon it was $3.99 to rent
and $4.99 to just buy it.
So I'm like, maybe I'll watch this again.
There you go.
The Francisco Public Library on Blu-ray.
Oh, amazing.
Good for you.
Good shout out.
Our tax dollars going to work back.
Favorite car for you guys?
It's probably $2.20 for me, although I like the rough GT500 at the end too.
I have two.
I need to give you a favorite from the original as well.
Okay, great.
My favorite from the new one is an easy one.
It's the $2.75.
I mean, that's just, I know how great the GTOs are of course, but the $2.75 is kind
of like, that's kind of the car that I love.
On the original though, Beck, you haven't seen this, the big ole Bronco.
Are you kidding me?
They steal Parnelli Jones' big ole Bronco.
The whole scene, they go to Parnelli Jones' shop and Parnelli Jones is in it.
Really trying hard to act.
It's amazing.
That's the most beautiful part of the movie where what I think you're seeing by
poor acting is actually just a day in the life of Parnelli Jones' shop like two
weeks before Indianapolis or whatever it was.
They've got his Indian cars downstairs.
It's amazing.
Like a Janians in the movie too.
Yes, that's right.
So his Rolls Royce gets the stuff.
That's right.
There's a heavy preponderance of limousines and big town cars in both that are like,
yeah, both of them have that.
I'm quite sure what's going on there.
I was dwelling on this last night on my third recent rewatch.
Maybe the two of you are too young for it.
Back will remember this.
The ultimate sign of wealth was like a Rolls Royce or a limousine.
And that's kind of gone because it's now SUVs and trucks and electric cars or what
like seem luxurious.
Limousines in general, especially like stretched sedans, right?
Not like nowadays where they're almost always.
A town car.
Yeah, they're all escalades now.
Right, escalades or I think much more popular is just a well done sprinter van.
Right.
Or you can actually be more communal with people and you don't have to like.
You can stand up.
Yeah, stand up.
This bathroom.
I'm going to say 71 yellow Daytona Pantera.
Oh, yeah.
That was a very strong one.
Pantera in the original one, too, as I recall.
Yeah.
And a Manta in the original.
That's right.
There's a 997 turbo.
Oh, I missed it.
It doesn't, you don't see it in the movies.
It's just like it's written on the wall.
959 is written on there, too.
I think somebody already mentioned that.
What about you, Cam?
I'm stealing Lisa.
I'm stealing the Volvo turbo.
Oh, you're going to get so much hate mail over the scam.
Or the most love.
I just got a stick to my guns.
That's great.
That's awesome.
All right, all right, Cam, we've done an hour and a half here.
Any redeeming characteristics from the new movie?
Do you like it more now that we've talked about it?
Yes, I enjoyed talking about it much more than I enjoyed watching it.
And if that means anything, but it gets the job done as far as if if I
needed to show some like 12, 13 year olds a movie that maybe would like
keep them engaged a bit.
That would be my definitely the like high-paced kind of 90s actually.
Like format.
And I think just to zoom out a bit, like that's just not a movie, a type of movie
that I find myself being attracted to as a source of entertainment.
You're too young and cool for it.
Something like that.
But I'll say this, it's cool that they went out on a limb to remake this movie.
Couldn't be done now.
Like they wouldn't do it the same way.
And I think Fast and Furious franchise has killed a film like this to a large
extent. I will say I was thinking of you often cam while watching the original.
Halecki's denim shirt with the red sewn on.
Do you already own that or are you with the sewn on flowers?
I'm working on it.
Dude, that shirt is sick.
So good.
The original one and honestly, even the second one a little bit, we've really
lost our way.
Like we used to rip sigs everywhere and like, you know, like just drugs everywhere.
And like there's the scene in the original where there's this, they steal.
I can't remember what the car they're stealing is, but this gal's just walking
around in a bikini, like just on the streets of Los Angeles.
Yeah, the original.
And yeah, and she might not have even been an actress.
Like considering how they filmed the original, she may have just been a person
like going to work at the club.
Totally.
And they were like, oh, let's shoot this person.
Also the lifestyle that these people lead in both is just so much more chill
than the way we live now.
Like people just aren't up too much, you know, even in 2000, they're just kind of
hanging out.
Yeah.
I do love that it was filmed like in the kind of Long Beach area.
I feel like definitely a departure from the way that Hollywood and LA was
typically portrayed prior to then.
And even, I mean, less so on the remake, but more so on the original.
But it just, it was cool to see more of like the urban grimy side of that LA area.
I really love Long Beach and that like kind of the port city type of vibe.
And so I was happy to see that.
Cool setting.
Did any of you guys watch Crime 101?
I think it was straight to Netflix.
It's Chris Hemsworth.
It's recent.
It's like brand new.
Oh, I do want to see that.
It has cool car chases and it's like a, it's a, it's a thief movie.
So it's like in this genre, but it's pretty well done.
I mean, it's like a six or seven out of 10.
Hemsworth's fine in it.
I mean, no, he's good, but.
Is he a criminal?
Yes.
Yeah.
He's a thief.
He has a good reason.
He's, and it's a little 2026 because he's got like anxiety and stuff and trauma,
like what you can't avoid in movies anymore, which is a bummer because it used to
just be like, yeah, these guys are just dirt bags and they're stealing cars and
you don't need it.
Maybe you'll find about it.
Yeah.
And you don't need much of an explanation, but it's filmed in LA and it's like the
one on one corridor.
So they're like actually in LA a lot.
And you really forget how much you missed that.
Like California and LA, San Francisco, these are great venues for making movies
and it sucks that people don't do it anymore.
Yeah.
It's too expensive.
It is.
There's no, well, we're not.
Not as much too expensive as we're not kicking the tax.
Other places willing to make it less expensive.
They're willing to basically pay you.
Give you money.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
What did we miss?
Oh, let's see.
I got my Manta shout out in from the original.
Great speedboat in the original when they're getting the money from the guy in the grummin.
We didn't do aviation corner yet back.
There is a brief scene when the helicopter can't follow the plane across the airport
and there's a DeHavilland, I think, Dash 8 landing, a four-engine turboprop.
You don't see those anymore.
And then there's the, I think it's a...
...Smalard.
It's a grummin, maybe a Whidgian.
It's a small grummin twin engine.
Yes, correct.
Great scene in that.
And he meets for the exchange of the list and the cash.
70s speedboat off the coast of LA.
Grummin, Infibian lands and they hook up and do the exchange.
Great.
Great way of doing it.
Also, the Ascot raceway scene.
Oh, totally.
I mean, just talk about the original kind of being terrible acting, but even more of a documentary
almost to some degree.
Yes.
Seeing what life was like in...
Well, that's part of why I like the raceway in 1974.
That place is a legend.
I mean, Steve McQueen may have been racing there at that time.
Absolutely.
You know, it is a Jeepster.
Absolutely.
Thank you back for the thorough plots and all this.
You took your job seriously.
Oh, good.
I'm a fan of going through it chronologically.
Oh, a couple of background cards.
I just want to mention really quickly, because a couple of my other favorites are in there.
There's a Lusso when you first go to meet Angelina Jolie.
There's a Lusso pulling in.
250 Lusso.
It's just for like a second, but it's my favorite Ferrari.
And there's a GTB on the rack next to her.
Oh, I missed that.
I bet somebody broke this down and identified every background car.
I should have done that research.
Yeah, I already covered the only one GT500 in LA.
That's like a little ridiculous.
Not only did they make them there, but I bet the largest collection of GT500s on earth is in LA.
Like they made them right there.
Oh, another connection between the two is the Eleanor car was stolen from...
I don't know if it was the same place physically, but it was the international towers in Long Beach.
So that was the same in both.
And then the police call sign of one Baker 11 was the same in both.
Yeah.
I kind of like the original Eleanor now more.
See, it's how it came to get Alex.
So did anybody?
Well, anybody pulled over here?
No, no, no, I liked it.
I two things I'll say, and I really don't mean to be mean.
I think it would have been hard to make a whole podcast out of the original one, to be totally honest.
So I'm glad we covered both a little bit.
There's just not a lot to it.
But the vibes of it and the look in the car, you should check it out back.
And you can, if you don't want to get engaged in the whole thing, you can kind of skip little chunks, which is what I did.
But the cars and the look and the vibes, like I think maybe we've kind of been skipping around on these movies.
I think it maybe makes me want to do a 70s movie next.
I mean, we've been talking, smoking the band, it we've been talking about.
So like that era, that carefree era, I just want people who are stealing cocaine and ripping cigs.
So like that's what I really want.
About Duke's hazard.
Yeah.
Is that they make a movie?
I guess we could do the TV show.
Oh, there's the right.
I have actually not seen that one.
We could do a show.
We could do a TV show.
We could do a TV show.
They have that whole great part, which I would have failed the test in the Nick Cage movie where they're on the radios grilling each other about the cars for TV.
Yeah.
And like, you know, we're trying to do something here.
Could we maybe like keep the airwaves like clean, clear?
Like what if we need to say something?
Totally.
Yeah.
We're just playing games.
I guess one question I would pose.
I feel like in the original, the Eleanor was, you know, a period car of the era.
If we were going to translate that to the modern to modern movie, what would be the modern car?
That would be his.
Well, if you were keeping, you'd call it Jim Farley and you'd get whatever the new, a dark horse, whatever.
Like whatever the, what is the hot?
Oh, no, GTD.
GTD.
Yeah.
What's the hottest must have?
But I'm saying in 2000.
So that would have been, yeah, whatever the GT 500 was of that.
Oh, 2000.
If we weren't going to use a vintage 67, 5500 and we were going to use a 2000 something as his halo car.
So what's, what is the GT 500 in?
Well, it's not yet a GT 500.
What is a Mustang?
Get a Cobra.
Yeah, you could do a Mustang, but like, what does that symbolize in 1974?
And what would symbolize that same thing in the year 2000?
What year is the first movie?
74.
Okay.
So we're right after 73 oil crisis.
Right.
Yeah, the 74 Mustang is not much of a performer, unfortunately.
But I can imagine you could argue that it's trying to be some connection to what is left of the muscle car.
Whereas the hot car of like with the future in the 70s would have been probably the Japanese cars that were coming in and actually
efficient into people were actually sort of getting excited about.
I don't know what that was.
A skyline maybe.
Now that you're mentioning it.
There you go.
With 2000.
In 2000, a skyline could have been.
Sure.
What was the car?
If that, I think I know what it is.
It's the Cobra R.
It's the red Cobra R.
That's what I said.
Oh, okay.
I'm sorry.
You already got it.
That's probably right.
Well, I could.
Or if that's if you're sticking with Mustangs, there's probably something else that could be interesting.
Notably, a skyline is not on the shopping list.
Yeah, they weren't here.
True, but neither were motor accidents.
I guess maybe there were some.
Well, like neither were XJ220s, right?
No, I think there were XJ220s here.
There were?
Yeah, I think so.
When did Shor display start?
9.59.
Would that have started around?
9.59s were already Shor display, I think, by 2000.
I think that's right.
Yeah, but would there have been one in LA?
You'd have to drive up to Seattle and steal Bill Gates' car.
A very specific one.
Yeah, totally.
Totally.
Well, this is awesome, guys.
I appreciate it.
Thank you, Cam, for participating, even though I could tell it was tough.
Oh, tough.
Tough experience.
I heard you had a little group watch party, though.
I know a couple other staffers got to see it.
Yeah, given the type of movie this was, it would have felt like Homework if I were to watch it by myself.
A group watch?
Oh, group watches.
Have a couple cocktails and laugh at it.
Part of the reason this is fun for me is you get to make fun of it.
Oh, I had a whole time.
Truly, I wish you could have had Harrison on this podcast or do a watch along with Harrison.
That dude, his remarks were fantastic.
He was Mystery Science Theater 2000 over there.
It was great.
We should do one of these live.
Like, let's hang out, watch a movie.
We've been talking about in the office, because we have that projector set up and we've set it up a couple times when people have come in and trying to organize a movie night.
Maybe we could do it as part of our monthly thing back.
But I would love to do that kind of stuff.
The thing is, usually people are mingling and so you don't want to sit and listen, really.
But it would be fun if we could figure out a way to do dialogue at the same time, because cheesy dialogue is part of the fun of these.
Right?
Fast and furious, same thing.
There's a lot of movies that would be fun.
Oh, yeah.
Well, thanks, gentlemen.
I appreciate it.
Thanks for doing your homework.
Thanks for having us.
We'll do another one of these soon.
Thanks to all of you for listening.
As always, we appreciate it.
Excited to hear feedback to podcast at bringitrailer.com and we'll catch you next time.
About this episode
Tyler and Cam kick off with how they first got hooked on Gone in 60 Seconds—Tyler’s cheap DVD/VHS find with “this yellow Mustang on the front”—then work through the 1974 original versus the 2000 remake. They compare vibe, pacing, and chase filmmaking (lots of cuts, less long car coverage), argue about authenticity vs “pop and flash,” and dig into car choices, from Eleanor to an E39 and a Porsche 911 “996” owner’s manual. They also hit Rotten Tomatoes, heist logistics, and the Eleanor legal saga.
4.8, 6 to 60
5-speed
Arctic silver
blue plates
body style
Boosted?
car is below the driver's sitting
CGI
Civic SI
club
Audi S6
BMW 5 Series
Cadillac Escalade
Chevrolet Camaro
De Tomaso Pantera
Dodge Challenger
Dodge Charger
Ferrari 250 GTO
Ferrari 275 GTB
Ferrari 550 Barchetta Pininfarina
Ferrari 550 Maranello
Ferrari F355
Ferrari F40
Fiat 600
Ford Bronco
Ford Mustang
Ford Mustang GTD
Ford Thunderbird
GMC Yukon
Honda Civic
Infiniti Q45
Jaguar XJ
Jaguar XJ220
Lamborghini Diablo
Lamborghini Miura
Lexus LX
Lotus Elite
McLaren F1
Mercedes-Benz CL-Class
Mercedes-Benz S-Class
Mercedes-Benz Sprinter
Opel Manta
Plymouth Barracuda
Porsche 911
Porsche 959
Porsche Boxster
Shelby GT500
Suzuki Wagon R
Toyota Land Cruiser
Original notes
This week we have a full house for our next movie installment: Beck, Tyler, and Cam join Alex to talk about the joys and pains of 2000's Nic Cage vehicle Gone in 60 Seconds, and the 1974 cult film of the same name that loosely inspired it. The crew discuss how each of them came to the movie (or both, as the case may be); expose their divides of opinion early; wantonly throw around the term "masterpiece"; marvel at the huge budget divide between the old and new films, just one of the many massive differences; lament the painfully cringey car dialogue; discuss fair payment for a job done; differentiate between "nighttime" and "hot time"; and confess to some Eleanor-based confusion.
And then, on to the cars. What perspective has 26 years of hindsight given us on which cars got boosted and which didn't? How was no one worried about security in a circa-2000 Ferrari warehouse? Where does the modern move sit in the pantheon of films involving car chases in the LA River. Exactly how bad was CGI in 2000? Our rowdy group of cig-rippin' drug-thievin' miscreants closes by talking about Angelina's hair, other elements that don't hold up, and some of their favorite cars in both movies.
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