The documentary uses a converted van as a mobile base—stacking cots in the back to create sleeping space. That’s an example of a “road-trip build,” where a vehicle is modified for long-distance travel rather than comfort or performance.
In the video, the van breaks down or gets damaged, and they show repairs like welding. It’s a good example of how long trips can require constant fixes.
Car
Kia minivan
They’re talking about a Kia minivan that was turned into a sleeping space. They took out the back seats and put two beds (cots) stacked on top of each other so they could sleep while traveling.
Concept
accidental ornithology moment
They’re joking about accidentally becoming really into birds. The idea is that you start watching casually, and suddenly you know way more than you meant to.
They’re saying Kia wants to compete with the Ford Ranger. The Ranger is one of the popular midsize trucks, so it’s a benchmark for what Kia would need to match.
They bring up the Ford Maverick as an example of a smaller pickup that did well. It shows there’s interest in trucks that aren’t huge or super expensive.
An airbag is the safety system that deploys during a crash to protect you. If there’s a recall involving the airbag, it’s taken more seriously than a typical software or convenience issue.
Sometimes recalls are handled by updating the car’s computer instead of changing parts. That usually means the fix is simpler and you’re back on the road faster.
They’re saying the Hyundai Santa Fe hasn’t been as reliable as people want, though they think it’s getting better. That affects how confident buyers feel when choosing one.
They’re talking about GMC reintroducing the Jimmy name. That matters because it signals a new SUV aimed at people who want a more traditional, truck-based feel.
Body-on-frame means the car’s body sits on a separate truck-style frame. It’s often used for vehicles meant to tow or handle rougher use, and it can feel more “truck-like.”
Concept
EVs compared to gas price break-even
They’re doing a cost comparison between electric vehicles and gas cars. The point is that EVs only really win financially if gas gets very expensive or electricity stays cheap.
They’re saying EVs are selling better lately. The idea is that when gas gets expensive, some people are more open to buying an EV, but others still prefer their current vehicle type.
Concept
Hard top vs removable roof/doors SUV concept
They’re comparing two kinds of SUVs: ones with a fixed hard roof versus ones where you can take the roof and doors off. That difference affects how fun and flexible the SUV feels.
The Chevrolet Blazer is an SUV model made by Chevrolet. The podcast talks about the older versions because they were popular and helped build the name’s reputation. That’s why it comes up in a discussion about SUVs in general.
They’re talking about adding more seats—like a second or third row. More rows can help families, but it can also reduce trunk space and make the vehicle feel less roomy.
The Ford Bronco is built to handle dirt roads and trails first. Because of that, it can feel rougher or less comfortable on regular roads compared to more comfort-focused SUVs.
The Toyota 4Runner is positioned here as a more comfortable, quieter alternative to the Bronco, even if they’re offered with similar option packages. The hosts argue that it “drives nicer” because it isn’t engineered to be beaten off-road in the same way.
Concept
off-road vs on-road vehicle tradeoff
There’s a tradeoff between cars built for trails and cars built for daily driving. Off-road vehicles can be louder or less comfortable on pavement because they’re tuned to handle rough terrain instead.
The Ford Explorer is being talked about as a bigger family SUV that isn’t really meant to be the top off-road choice. The hosts suggest it should lean more toward regular-road comfort instead of trying to compete with true off-road trucks.
The Ford Everest is talked about as a Ranger-based vehicle that’s smaller and easier to maneuver in tight areas. The hosts suggest it could be made more off-road-capable with the right suspension.
Raptor suspension is built for rough roads and big bumps. The idea here is that putting that style of suspension on another truck could help it handle tougher off-road spots.
The Tesla Cybertruck is Tesla’s electric “truck” with a very unusual, boxy shape. They’re talking about how it turns and whether it would be better if it looked more like a normal SUV instead of a pickup.
“R1s” sounds like an electric SUV model name. The speaker is basically saying: if the Cybertruck looked more like an SUV, it would compete with that SUV.
Car
Citroën 2CV
The Citroën 2CV is a famously quirky, lightweight French car known for its simple design and unusual proportions. The host brings it up to argue that “weird-looking” vehicles can still become iconic and beloved.
The Citroën 2CV is an old, classic car with a very unusual look. It was designed to be practical and simple rather than flashy. The podcast mentions it because it’s a memorable example of a weird-looking car from the past.
The Studebaker Avanti is an older car with a very distinctive, unusual design. The podcast mentions it because people find its body shape memorable and different from other cars. It’s brought up as an example of a classic that looks unique.
This is just a description of the car’s shape—lots of straight lines and sharp corners instead of curves. That kind of design can make a vehicle look unique and “future” even years later.
Starlink minis are small satellite internet devices. The hosts are talking about whether you can use that kind of setup while traveling in a truck to places like Moab.
Moab is a famous off-roading destination in Utah, known for trails and desert terrain that test vehicles and gear. In this segment, it’s the context for the question about using Starlink minis on a truck trip.
Car
Ford Raptor
The Ford Raptor is a special off-road version of the F-150. It’s built to handle rough roads and trails better than a normal pickup.
They’re basically talking about how off-road trucks are a competitive category. Different brands try to win customers by bringing out special off-road versions, and the market reacts to what people actually buy.
The Ford F-150 is a popular big pickup truck. In this conversation, they’re talking about the off-road versions of it and how they compete with other rugged trucks.
The Toyota Tundra is Toyota’s big pickup truck. They’re saying the new off-road Toyota would be built on the Tundra’s basic platform, which usually means it will share a lot of the same structure and components.
Car
Toyota TRD Pro
TRD Pro is Toyota’s off-road-focused version of certain trucks. It usually gets upgrades meant to make it handle rough trails better than the standard model.
The Toyota Tacoma is Toyota’s midsize pickup. They’re saying Toyota already makes an off-road Tacoma version with suspension tuned for rough driving, so they think Toyota can do something similar on a bigger truck.
They’re saying that even if you buy a truck with an off-road package, a lot of people still change things after purchase. Common mods help with ground clearance and making the truck feel right for trails or rough roads.
The Toyota Sequoia is a big Toyota SUV. They’re using it as an example of how large vehicles can feel bulky and look lower than you’d expect, even with off-road packages.
“Baja suspension” means suspension parts set up for rough desert racing. It usually helps the truck ride over big bumps without breaking or losing control.
Aftermarket support is how many extra parts and upgrades are available from companies other than the manufacturer. For off-roading, that can be the difference between a truck that’s “good” and one you can build into a serious trail machine.
“Overland built” means the truck is set up for long trips in rough areas, not just city driving. It usually includes protection and suspension/traction upgrades for dirt roads and trails.
Control arms are part of the suspension that helps keep the wheels positioned correctly. Better control arms can improve how stable and controlled the truck feels over bumps.
Disconnecting sway bars lets the wheels move more freely when you hit bumps. That can improve grip off-road without making the truck feel too soft on smooth roads.
A locking differential helps both wheels on an axle turn together. If one wheel is slipping, it can keep the truck moving instead of getting stuck.
Topic
mid truck band vs Ranger
They’re talking about which trucks compete in the mid-size pickup market. The Ranger is used as a reference point for how Toyota has been doing in that segment.
Chevrolet is a major truck brand. The hosts are basically saying that, for the most extreme off-road trucks, people don’t rate Chevy as highly as some competitors.
Stellantis is the company that owns several car brands, including Dodge. The hosts are saying that some of those brands have had reliability/quality problems that hurt buyer confidence.
The Dodge Viper is a famous, hardcore sports car. The hosts are discussing whether bringing it back could help Dodge win back buyers who are worried about quality.
A supercharged V8 is a V8 engine that’s boosted with a device that forces extra air in. More air usually means more power, which is why it’s mentioned as a selling point.
To “undercut” means to charge less than the competition. The idea is that if the cheaper truck still offers the same features, people may choose it instead.
They’re basically saying that if one company prices a truck aggressively, other brands may have to drop their prices too. Competition can push prices down for buyers.
They’re talking about the Chevrolet Corvette, which is a performance sports car. The conversation is about which Corvette versions are the best deals and how pricing is changing.
The Corvette is a sports car built for performance. The podcast talks about Corvette pricing and mentions different versions of the car. That matters because pricing and trim levels affect what you’d pay and what features you get.
MSRP is the sticker price the manufacturer recommends. It’s not the final amount you pay at the dealership, but it’s the number people use to compare deals.
They’re talking about the Nissan GT-R, a fast sports car that’s known for being hard to beat. The host is saying Nissan may add a hybrid system by 2030, but they expect the price to stay in the same general range.
A hybrid drivetrain uses both a gas engine and an electric motor. The electric part can help with quick acceleration, but the battery can also make the car heavier.
An aftermarket wing is a spoiler you add that wasn’t installed by the car’s manufacturer. People choose them for looks or performance, but they should fit correctly and be mounted properly.
A rear lip spoiler is a small piece on the back of the car that changes airflow. It can help the car feel more planted, but it also affects how the car looks.
“Duck bill” is a nickname for a spoiler shape that’s wider and more curved, like a duck’s beak. They’re saying they want that style to get the look they prefer.
Downforce is what helps press the car down so the tires grip better, especially when you’re going fast. They’re saying they want the setup that gives the front end maximum grip.
They’re talking about an option package that’s meant to make the car better for fast driving. The important takeaway is that they think it increases aerodynamic performance.
They discuss delivery times and how long customers typically wait to receive vehicles. Delivery timing is influenced by production schedules, recalls, shipping logistics, and how quickly manufacturers can ramp back up.
They said production was temporarily stopped because of a recall. That can delay deliveries because the factory has to fix the problem before cars can be shipped.
The Tesla Model Y is an electric SUV that runs on a battery instead of gasoline. People often talk about it because its price and resale value can change a lot over time. The podcast mentions Tesla in the context of depreciation—how much the car’s value drops after a few years.
They’re talking about how much a 2021 Tesla Model 3 is worth now compared to when it was new. “Depreciation” just means the car loses value over the years.
Depreciation is how much your car loses value as the years go by. Even if you don’t wreck it, the resale price usually drops, and that loss is a real cost of ownership.
They’re talking about EVs and why they might lose value faster than expected. The idea is that the EV market has been changing quickly, which can make used EV prices drop.
The Porsche Taycan is an electric car, meaning it runs on a battery. The podcast mentions it while talking about how well electric cars do in terms of value and demand. It’s brought up as an example of an electric Porsche model that’s been doing well.
Leasing means you pay to use the car for a set time and then return it. The idea here is that leasing can protect you if the car’s value drops more than expected.
Car
Volkswagen GTI
The Volkswagen GTI is a small sporty car. They’re comparing it to the Tesla and saying the GTI might cost less overall when you include things like how much the car loses value and what you spend on gas.
The Ford F-150 Raptor is a tougher, more off-road-focused version of the regular F-150 pickup. They’re basically saying people still want them, but not as many as before.
The McLaren 600LT is a track-oriented supercar in McLaren’s “LT” lineup, known for a lighter, more performance-focused setup than standard models. Here, it’s name-dropped as something the host saw in traffic, reinforcing that they’re into high-end cars.
The Lamborghini Revuelto is Lamborghini’s modern flagship V12 hybrid supercar, notable for its advanced hybrid system and aggressive styling. The hosts mention seeing one with a body kit in the rain, highlighting how visually striking it is.
Concept
EVs dominating the news
They’re saying electric cars (EVs) are getting talked about a lot lately. That’s why they keep bringing EV updates onto the show.
Incentives are discounts the manufacturer gives to help sell cars. If lots of cars are sitting around, the company may offer more money off to get them sold.
The Toyota Prius is a hybrid car that’s been popular for years. The hosts are saying they don’t see as many new ones anymore, likely because other cars now offer hybrids too.
They’re basically saying hybrids became common across lots of brands. When more people can buy a hybrid from many different companies, one model like the Prius may not stand out as much.
The Ford F-150 Lightning is Ford’s electric pickup truck. In this conversation, they’re saying it didn’t sell as well as hoped and that there were problems like recalls and production changes.
A recall is when a car company has to fix a problem in a vehicle model. It usually means there’s something that could be unsafe or needs correction, and it can make people hesitant to buy.
A towing test is basically “how well does the vehicle handle pulling something?” It checks things like how much power it uses and whether it can still go far enough. With electric trucks, towing usually drains the battery much faster.
They’re saying the vehicle didn’t go very far compared to what you’d expect. When you tow something, the battery gets used up much faster, so the “range” you can actually get is way lower.
Charge time is how long it takes to refill the battery. If towing drains the battery quickly, you may have to stop more often to recharge, which affects how practical the truck is.
The Ford SVT Lightning is a faster, performance version of a pickup truck. The podcast talks about bringing it back, which shows that people remember it as a special high-performance truck. It’s mentioned because the Lightning name has a reputation for speed.
Concept
Manual vs automatic transmission tradeoff
They’re debating whether manuals or automatics make more sense for most buyers. The point is that manuals are more fun for some people, but automatics are easier for the majority—so limited manual runs can become very expensive.
“10 speeds” means the automatic transmission has ten different gear ratios. More gears can help the truck feel smoother and stay in the right engine power band, but it doesn’t always mean it’s perfect.
ADM is when a dealer adds extra money on top of the sticker price because the car is hard to get. It’s basically a “pay more because it’s rare” situation.
The Pontiac Fiero is a sports car that was made by Pontiac. It’s known for having its engine placed more toward the middle of the car. The podcast mentions it because it’s a classic model people recognize.
The Dodge Neon is a small car, and some versions were made to be faster than the standard model. The podcast mentions the SRT4, which is a performance version of the Neon. It’s brought up because it was part of Dodge’s lineup of quicker cars.
“Rear end gets so loose” describes a loss of traction at the rear wheels, which can lead to oversteer and a more tail-happy feel. In performance cars and trucks, this can be caused by power delivery, tire grip, and suspension setup, especially under acceleration or abrupt throttle changes.
The Dodge Viper is a very powerful sports car. It’s known for having a big V10 engine, which helps it accelerate strongly. The podcast mentions it while talking about performance cars and what it’s like to drive them.
They’re talking about how expensive gas and diesel prices affect what car they choose to drive. Even if a vehicle is available, fuel cost can make you pick something else.
“Regular” means the cheaper, lower-octane gas. Some cars are okay with it, while others want premium—so it’s worth checking your fuel cap or owner’s manual.
Term
supreme
They likely meant “premium” gas, which is the more expensive kind. They’re saying they might have put the wrong grade in, but the car still seemed fine.
“Gas bill” is a real-world way to talk about fuel costs, which can vary dramatically with vehicle size, fuel economy, and fuel prices. The segment frames it as a personal metric—what’s the biggest fill-up or fuel expense someone has had.
The hosts mention filling a yacht, highlighting how marine fuel tanks and operating time can make fuel costs enormous compared with cars. It’s a useful reminder that “fuel cost” isn’t just about octane—it’s also about volume and usage.
An air compressor is the machine that makes pressurized air for air-powered tools. If you upgrade it, your tools usually work stronger and more consistently.
Airlines are the tubes or hoses that move compressed air from the compressor to your tools. If they’re upgraded, your tools tend to get the air they need without losing pressure.
A mini split is an AC/heater system that doesn’t need ducts. You mount an outdoor unit outside and an indoor unit on the wall, and it can cool or warm your garage efficiently.
Ductless heating and cooling doesn’t use ducts. That can make it easier to install in a garage and can be more efficient because you’re not losing air through duct leaks.
Garage insulation helps keep the garage from getting too hot or too cold. That means your heater/AC doesn’t have to work as hard to keep things comfortable.
BTU is a way to measure how strong the heating/cooling system is. A higher BTU rating usually means it can handle a larger space or more extreme temperatures.
A cat-back exhaust replaces the parts of the exhaust after the catalytic converter. People do it to change the sound and sometimes improve airflow, while keeping the emissions hardware in place.
Borla is a company that makes aftermarket exhaust parts. People upgrade exhausts for sound and sometimes small performance gains, and the price can vary a lot.
Exhaust parts don’t just affect performance—they also affect how the car sounds. If the exhaust is poorly matched or cheaply made, it can make the engine sound worse instead of better.
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Welcome to the Avon's podcast. I'm Dan. I'm Nick. Hello. Hello. Just want to get this out of the way
You all know I'm a Star Wars fan. I did not buy the rocket firing Boba Fett that was on the market
It was just 1.3 which just seemed a little high for me. I was at like 1.1, but I'm right here for a plastic toy
That would be a choking. Yeah, I can see the 1.1. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, comes in a plastic case
Just average purchase through your average man
Okay, send it to me and she's like what do you think about this and I was like somebody has too much money
And that takes a lot for me to say that so yeah, yeah
Cool little piece of history, but I mean yeah
I mean obviously never got never got made because it was a choking hazard and all that but yeah, yeah, so
Yeah, are you pretty good good? Yeah, it's good weekend of get some rest. Yeah wild weekend of plank of tan
Yeah, I saw that I you know, I have we played that I feel like you and I I think we have I don't know where else
I would have played it like yeah, I think we have yeah, okay, I
was
We went speaking of things like this
I went Lego shopping this weekend and the guys at the Lego store in
In Issaquah, we're talking about Dungeons and Dragons the guys like if you were played and I was like, oh, yeah
I played once I
Said and I played with people that were way too into it. I said I get it and I understand it. I said but um, yeah
You were there, so you understand that so yeah, good time. Yeah, I love a good board game though
I'm done with the pollen. Oh, yeah. Oh, dude
Yeah, yeah, we're just a reminder to people if you've got a bunch of pollen all over your vehicle spray it off first before you wash it
Yeah, spray it off heavily that stuff can it's isn't it's dust so you don't think of it
But it will scratch your paint. Yeah, it will if you rub it in just yeah reproductive dust. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm those slutty trees
Let me trees letting out all the trees out of me to slut shame trees. I appreciate them in their oxygen production
No bird talk
Whatever you just tell us I have morning doves and you don't you I don't even know what that
You know when you look at another man and say I have morning doves. I was questioning your
sanity
The audience that doesn't know yeah, I mean you I have all I have like you boys in the group
Well, I've like birds for a very long time. I'm not a bird watcher. I like them
I look my bird watching is looking at my window. That's it. I'm not going out. What's the term though?
Bird or no, the great great a great year
Yeah, the big year the big year. Okay. Yeah
So it's a big year is a thing that birders do and they try and see basically all the birds in North America
In 48 states within a year and it's a big thing. There's a there's a movie about it with Steve Martin and Jack Black and
Who else is in that? It's Owen Wilson. Maybe I think it's Owen Wilson. Yeah, and then there's a recently
Documentary yeah, that's how we're calling it. Yeah, it is really it has no
Counts is automotive because they drove around the country in a makeshift van
Yeah, they put cots that stacked on top of each other in the back. These guys did not have it easy
No, okay, it's yeah, it is if anything it's worth watching for the road trip because they take this key of van that they've converted and
Like they literally fixes ideas. There's some repairs on it in the video. They're like you watch you watch him weld it and
Yeah, they go all over North America. He doesn't complete the big year
They go through hell. They're brothers. Yeah. Yeah, what is the name of this documentary again?
I don't know, but it was you you put it in the group chat and it sort of spread like wildfire because it's good
No, I I agree. Yeah, it's called listers a glimpse into extreme bird watching
Extreme bird watch it is hilarious for one and I highly highly recommend everyone watch it
It won a ton of awards
I when I told the group about it
It was one of those things that first of all you didn't tell the group you we trust you so much
You just dropped the video and we all went. Oh, okay. Let me watch that and then I was busy that day and I still watch the whole thing
Yeah, it's not short. No, it's about two hours. Yeah, it's ad-free on youtube
Owen riser is the film in the channel. It's under he doesn't have a lot of stuff on youtube or social media
But it's won a ton of awards and I I described these two is sort of
The definition of what you call an idiot savant because if you see them and you listen to their commentary
They have no business being this good at filmmaking and the production quality on this is insane
Like the film footage they have the birds the storytelling arc the interviews they do with people
It's so well done that it doesn't make sense that these two people put it together
Yeah, I'm not kidding. They're hilarious
They took the seats out of the back of a Kia minivan and literally took two cots and put them on top of each other
Like bunk beds. Yeah, that's and they drove around the country sleeping like that. It looked like a frat house inside that van
Yeah, they talk about like staying in crackerboro parking lots
It's so good on so many levels and it's fun to watch and even at the end of this she'll be like, oh man
I know too way too much about birds now. Yeah
Is that old the guy who did cash cab? What was his name? Oh the comedian. Yeah
So he had a sketch called accidental or ornithology
About he accidentally becomes a bird expert because he moves to the country and he gets annoyed by birds all night and all day
And they have this owl. So you have to know how it is. Yes. Yeah. So and I describe this as sort of one of those moments
This is an accidental ornithology moment where you watch this and you're like, I know way too much about
American birds now. Yeah, I know more than I need to know
And the memory space it took up probably could have been used for a lot better things, right? So you will be entertained though
I shared this at work and everybody was like, I had no idea
I was going to be stuck watching this
Up in the productivity at microsoft. Good job. Yeah, we have our social gathering like, you know, our non work topic meeting
We're like, we all get together and we talk about stuff that's
Work is off the table. So sometimes we play like video games. Sometimes we
You know play flash games or whatever, you know, and we just talk about stuff and this is what you're putting up flash cards
Name the bird name the bird a flash, you know, like picturing games like bird is this. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, so we talked about that and we're just like
I had no idea that was going to be actually be really really good
I think we've reached an age where it's good. I think that's that's it's our I don't know
I showed it to my nephews and they were like, this is really good. No, no, I'm just saying that
20 year old me would have been like, I don't want to watch a bird video. I would have watched it
Right. I don't know if I would have been as interesting. Anyway, you'll be entertained. I'll post the link in there
I guarantee you will laugh
It's not actually not that safe for work for kids because there's some swearing in it and some drug use because if you watch this
You guys they are definitely living out of their van stoners
Live up to that, but they're extremely good at filmmaking
Their idea was to drive around the country in an old van and look at birds if you don't think drugs are involved
Yeah, because they're not retired. No
At all so they meet some great people on the trip though. It's fun to see the interviews. Yeah, great movie
We'll put the link in there. Yeah, um, I read that kia is planning a us pickup truck by 2030
With a hybrid and electric option basically to take on the ranger right and things like that
Which I think it's gonna be the same platform as the bronco competitor. It is but um, and I kind of like the idea
I think that that competition is good. There's a lot of competition coming out
We're going to talk about another competition in a bigger market here in a minute, but I think that this market
The united states I think will really like this. I mean you look at the way they took on the maverick
I mean, and there's there's not a lot of competition for the maverick minus a smaller Tacoma
Which they don't really the Santa Fe?
Oh, they do have that Santa Fe truck. Yeah
You don't see a lot of like I don't hate those. Yeah
So if you look at reliability trends ford has not been great for the record
But almost all of ford stuff has been software updates and it's been pretty minor stuff minus the airbag thing. That's not minor
But that's a subset of vehicles
But a lot most of the ford recalls you see a tons of them
But most of them have just been software updates. They haven't been anything that stopped me from driving my truck at all
except for the tailgate
Um didn't stop you just stop drag. Yeah, I just had to stop. I can you say when it was going to come up and down? Yeah, yeah, but
the
Reliability on the Santa Fe and a bunch of other Hyundai products has been pretty sub par unfortunately. It's getting been getting better, but
Uh, just I think that's been a lot of what's been driving the maverick sales and the maverick's great
Yeah, so yeah, yeah, I'm excited to see that. Oh the competition is good
We always want competition and speaking of competition the one I'm most excited about
I think someone is listening to our show. That's the only I'm going with okay because gmc is bringing back the jimmy
So does if this if but
Okay, so explain what's what they're talking about and then I want to know because I always thought the gm the jim the jimmy
And the blazer were the same thing because they were
But the blazer we have right now, they're not going to make a gmc version of that, right? No, okay
No, they're bringing back the gmc jimmy body on frame colorado turned. It's basically a direct competitor for the forerunner
Okay, which is fantastic more of that and I hope that drives forward to say hey
Maybe we should bring over the Everest
Now the reason they haven't is because they don't want the Everest to bite into the Broncos sales
But uh, there's I still think there's a huge case for it
Everybody's buying suvs people are talking about the gas stuff like I said, I don't think it's gonna matter
If you do the math on evs compared to what you already have gas would have to go above like $8 a gallon for to really make a
Debt I mean and even then it would cost you
It goes up a dollar a gallon cost you about $500 a year on most vehicles on average maybe a thousand for us in our trucks
That's still pretty stomachable for most people. We don't like it
But we're like, okay, I can pay an extra thousand dollars a year to actually drive something I want to drive
Yeah, even up at $8 a gallon you're looking at $2,500 to $3,500 a year
Still not going to get me out of my truck because I'd rather drive the truck
Uh, I'll drive it less but yeah, I'll drive it less exactly, but I won't yeah
I'm still not gonna be like yeah, I'm gonna go buy an evy. Um evy sales did go up by the way
Um, that didn't surprise me. Yeah, so that long stories
Long story short. I still think there's a huge market for those suvs
I think the forerunner needs competition. It would be gets good for the market. It's good for us
I obviously if gmc when they bring in the jimmy will bring it in and undercut the Toyota
They have to because they know it's they're competing against and the Toyota has the namesake
And see I'm of the opinion that the Everest would do really well here
I know I don't work for Ford and I'm sure they they could last this apart, but
It's a hard top. It's a permanent body hard top
SUV like the forerunner the bronco is its own thing like with with the roofs off and things like that and being able to
Take the doors off. I think that that type of suv like I mean you think about the original blazers the original jimmies
They were really successful. I mean it was and I think that market could be you know
The Everest is huge over and it's Asia. It's Asia, right? Yeah, it's a hundred different countries. It's Australia, Asia
Yeah, Middle East
Yeah, I mean and and I get it you don't want to you don't want to make competition for yourself
but I I almost wonder if like
Even if they made the maverick like
Like instead of taking the truck out of it made it into a small little suv with a third a second or third row kind of thing
yep, I
I'm gonna segue this into our next topic, but I yeah, I think there's a huge market for it
I don't think people would
I don't people are cross shopping the bronco and the forerunner as much as people think
Because if you drive them their polar, they're so different. Yeah, so different. I mean the forerunner's night and day quieter
It's way more comfortable
It's it's a nicer vehicle all around even though it has pretty much the same options
It just drives nicer because it's not it's not made to just be beaten off-road like the bronco
The bronco is truly an off-road vehicle
They designed to compete with the jl wrangler
Which you drove one of those is kind of the worst on-road driving experience you've ever had
Like truly fantastic off-road, but they're they really are terrible on-road
Yeah, I think that market needs to exist more. There's got to be more accomplish the forerunner
I don't think we go into forward sales. It might go into the the
Well, quite admittedly aging explorer sales
But the explorers the explorer outside even with the tremor pack is never going to be the off-road vehicle and Everest would be
Yeah, it's not
I mean basically and if you haven't seen it the Everest is is the ranger with yeah
Yeah, yeah, and it's a lot smaller truck. Yeah, the explorer is way bigger than the ranger
If you especially on the inside you get inside of it
I feel like you could take a you know the Everest and you could get into more tight spots and I mean obviously
You know you put the suspension of the raptor on there, which I think you could still do. Yeah
Yeah, you can't they make an Everest Raptor. Um, I think I think you could you could get into a lot more places
And and have a lot more fun and then also have a Baja rig that you could right being closed
Well, that's just that the explorer is too big. I think they need to
Refocus the explorer market to be purely on-road
which
No, he's taken an explorer off-road and if in people going up to the ski slopes don't need an off-road vehicle to do that
You just need tires
Yeah, but also truthfully. I mean minus our friends and the advanced people
The average person that drives a forerunner doesn't take it off-road either. Right. So I mean, they're driving around the city
Which is fine. There's nothing wrong. No, nothing wrong with that, but vicious curb everywhere. So right teach those curbs
Yeah, I'm just saying I think there's a great market for it. Our audience if you disagree, let us know
Yeah
That being said somebody messes me the other day. I think it was oh, it was josh our photographer josh hanson
He does all the off-road stuff great guy. Um, so he he as a as a joke
Pranked as he has a tesla. He brought it for service
Model s and as a joke. He brought home a cybertruck to scare his wife
How to do it
Which she hates
And but he did say it actually has a great turning circle because it's four-wheel steering
So then it drives fine. It actually drives really nice
But he said he had some great feedback and actually was like, oh, that is a great take and I wanted to share it on the show
If there's one if you could make one change to that thing and just get rid of the rear body line and turn it into an suv
Oh, yeah, yeah, it probably would have been greatly accepted as a vehicle
I mean, I think elan did it because he could that was that was probably the more the more
logical reason in elan's mind
Yeah, and I I get where he was coming from but it's a terrible truck
As far as the truck goes. So why not just make it an suv and compete with the r1s?
Um, and it would be weird looking still with its sharp angles and all that
But i'm not opposed to weird looking like some of the best cars in the history of cars are weird looking the citrone 2cv
Uh, what's the old vovo with the uh, the weird body lines. I love that car. Um, I don't remember the name
Avanti's like cars a bunch of cars out there at the time. You're like these cars look weird
They're not good. They don't sell that well, but you look back in history and you're like, I love that
They did something cool and different think of basically all vokes wagons
Carman gears things like that like they were weird looking at the time. They didn't follow the Volkswagen thing. Yeah
Uh, the vokes wagon. Well, vokes wagon fox. Yeah, the thing is the perfect example
Which honestly looks a lot more like cybertruck in the sense that it had very sharp angle body lines
I'm not comparing the two. I love the thing. I think it's an amazing little vehicle
Forever will be but I think that the cybertruck and I took a look good look at it after he was mentioned
I was like just trying to picture it and he showed me some with the the canopies on them
You know, you've seen those. Yeah, I've seen yeah, they look kind of funky with the canopies
But if you extended that body line straight back and just made it into a square back suv
You'd still have something weird and unique but actually kind of cool looking. Yeah, cool. You're weird and unique. Yeah
Yeah, exactly. Coolly weird unique instead of stupid and you know trash bin
I mean again, somebody gave me one. I wouldn't uh speaking of Elon
I think he you he owes you and I a little bit of a commission check
Oh, yeah, because uh, there was a uh a post in avance off road by Heidi Thorson
Who said is anybody know about starlink minis? Oh, yeah
I don't know how many people mess like tagged us first of all and then multiple people
Thank you everybody that reached out to Dan and I through messages like hey, have you seen that post?
Yeah, you guys talk about this all the time, right? Like and uh, so thank you for that
Obviously, uh, she was asking about her take her husband's truck going to moab and if she could use a mini good news
and and by the way, the the community also rallied around it and um
They uh, and I forgot who who said it but basically. Oh, uh, josh
Jason Garrett put it really good. He can eat about the new plan and how things changed and so I had forgot to put that in the post
But yeah, so it's kind of interesting. So yeah reach out to your amounts community for real feedback
Yeah, it was it's fun to have a post like that engage and like I said, I was laughing with everybody tagging you and I
But uh, and obviously we were we thought
More competition, um the raptor was it
Right the forward raptor the the f-150 that was the off-road vehicle
Uh dodge came in and proved that uh, people wanted something else. Yes, the t-rex that went away. It's coming back
Uh, Toyota is now looking to put their
Foot in the ring with the t-r-d hammer. Yeah, which we do not have photos of but third hammer
If you don't realize this is it named after what's his name from the Baja, uh hammer
Oh, I don't know. I was thinking king of the hammers. Maybe yeah, but I mean Toyota knows how to do
Off-road vehicles. So they will do this right. Um, it will be interesting to see
It's going to be on the tundra platform. Um, I don't think we'll see anything
I mean, maybe if it's successful
Something come down. They mean they have the trail hunter. So they really don't need something
Yeah, and the what's the what's their they have a high speed suspension version of the
They do the Tacoma. Yeah t-r-d pro or t-r-d off-road or I think it's a t-r-d pro
But there's a special there's a name for it's not like raptor or anything
But they have a high speed suspension model of the okay. Yeah, yeah
So what do you think? I mean, I think Toyota can do a really good job and could put a little dent in this market
I mean, there's a lot of people out there that drive the tundra and like it. I like the new tundra
I always have I think that you have to modify them like when you get them
They're very bulky and they seem very low to the ground even with the t-r-d versions
Like just like the sequoias by the way that that
Kate and I talk about it. There's a somebody that lives in my neighborhood
That's got one of those sequoias and like that bright orange or whatever. I love that
That looks so good in that color
I think this could work. Yeah, I mean for did kind of cornered the market and dodge said oh, we can do this too
It's funny because I don't see the t the the the t-rex or the t-r-x
As as off-road as the raptor
Like you see the raptor is going blasting through the desert
You don't see a lot of people that have fully, you know, Baja suspension a raptor
So I'd be interested to see where Toyota comes in this market. Yeah, I think the
Yeah, the the t the t-r-x t-r-x. Sorry. Yeah, it doesn't have the aftermarket support
The Ford has had because the the platform
I mean almost everything for the f-150 crosses over the raptor as far as body and then you so you have all the lighting stuff
Just bolts over
Toyota is not as big in the full-size truck market
as Ford is not even close
I think they make I think they're
Forward outsells and I think literally tend to one. Okay, so
but I mean
Nobody's look at the the the tunder and saying it's a bad truck. I've never heard that everybody seems to like the tunder
It just doesn't come to you. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a lot of the off-roaders don't take it as seriously because it's not as big
It doesn't have the you know, it's huge. I mean, I don't I don't I mean tall. Sorry. Yeah, just like you said
Yeah, no, I if you look at the the t-r-d pro and the the trail hunter and all that
I mean they come with and they're more overland built but built up for control arms awesome suspension great skid plate packages
disconnect sway bars
Locking differentials. They're all set to compete with the raptor
They just you know, they just need a suspension overhaul and some wider stance just like the raptor
and they've done pretty good in in the mid truck band going up against ranger and going up against
GMC and Chevy at for
Yeah, nobody likes the Chevy seriously in the in the full-size truck market for extreme off-road stuff
They really don't talk about the mid-side market. Oh, yeah, Tacoma. Yeah, they do in that. Yeah, full-size truck market
So it is ripe for some competition because you know
Dodge and what's the stilantis? Yeah, pretty have well documented quality control issues
People aren't taking the chances they used to on those things. I think I mean, they're working hard to turn it around
We wish them the best. I want to see the viper come back
But I totally doesn't totally has a reputation for quality
So there's a good entry for them to come in and be like, yeah
We're going to throw a supercharged v8 in this thing and a you know
wide suspension and put it on 37s and people are looking at the and if they undercut the
Raptor r
And say hey, we're going to sell ours for 110
I'd probably go take a look at it. Oh, yeah, absolutely
Absolutely. Yeah, if they're hitting that that's what they got to do if they just hit if they just undercut forward a little bit
And they can prove that like yeah, we've got all the same features and
I would trust it
I mean a lot of it as much as we talk about what these trucks can do
Being inside the truck and and the comforts of that are a big part of this and Toyota does a really good job
I mean you look at some of the stuff they do from Toyota like Toyota
Lexus and things like that
They know how to do a really nice interior and it flows well
And if you haven't been in a modern Toyota like even the Tacomas like
Yeah, these covers are nice
They really do a really good job making everything very
You know easy and accessible. You're not having to reach for things. Um, so
Dodge is a little bit more. I mean, I like the interiors and dodge, but they're not my favorite
Um, as far as the giant screens and they're they're flat. I mean that being said I have exactly that in the ranger, but
It uh, I think there's some possibilities there. Yeah, I I'd love to see it
Yeah, I'm always down for more competition to make my truck cheaper. Yes my next truck is cheaper. I see. Oh, okay
I I see your your angle now. Well, then Ford will have to compete and lower the price or you know, yeah
We'll shake our fists at the clouds
That's right. Okay, uh
Garb messing me today. Okay, our favorite Corvette driving Garov. Um, do we know one?
Do we have an unfavorite Corvette driving Garov? That's true. He's really the only Garov we know
That's at least I know he is the only Garov. Yeah. Yeah, okay, but our audience may not
Anyway, uh, so the new Corvette pricing drops
The for the grand sport the grand sport and the um, he has a grand zero. Yeah, he has a c7 grand sport
Which by probably the best driving c7 you can get overall
agreed, um
Anyway, it's it's only it's like 117 for the grand sport x
Which is the x which is a direct competitor to the area. It's replacing the e-ray
100 more horsepower. I mean
zero to 62 and a half seconds quarter mile and 10
You really don't need any more car if I'm being honest for everybody
Pretty great bargain and then they upped the msrp on the zero one x by 15,000
Oh, well, I mean
You're 50,000 over 80. What's the justification for upping it?
What are they are they giving you more for it?
Or they just know that they can get it because there's no they'll get it way under ferrari way under everybody else. Yeah, no, they
Okay, just they can get it same same as the gtr. You know, okay, we can get it so let's charge it
I mean, you're still gonna be paying 50 to 100,000 over 80m right now. Anyway, so hopefully an extra that goes down
When we're shopping the and I apparently not to jump off topic, but apparently
Uh, the head of Nissan north america was talking that we're talking gtr again
Yeah, they said by 2030 hybrid drivetrain and and priced about where it is now
Yeah, they can keep the price similar great
Wish they would make the car lighter, but no, they'll make it heavier with batteries. It's easier that way. Yeah
um, okay
Well, that's interesting. Um, I think you know, uh, it's still an obtainable car
I I think sometimes uh, if you heard if you would listen to this outside of and you were not a car person
We're talking about oh, it's so affordable at 115 thousand dollars, but that really is the amount of car you're getting for that
It will it's going to be hard to beat
Yeah, oh gsx starts at 112k. Okay, so it'll probably be one if you're all said and done if you option it out with the
Top line package. You're probably 140 145 with all the carbon and crap, but the fact that you can just you don't need it
That's always thing to tell everybody
By the base model you still get a ton of car with a Corvette
I was talking to one of my neighbors who I really never met before but of course you walked by my garage and you can tell
Right car person. So we were talking about the Corvette and he was talking
He wasn't in he's not buying one
But he we were talking about them and I was talking about the zr1x
And all that and and how I liked it
But and I I come to realize that I need somebody to come out
With it or gm can do it an aftermarket wing that works on that car
I don't like the high wing and I don't like the low wing. Yeah
Like there's an add-on wing. I really like okay
I have maybe I haven't seen that but like like when I think about wings on corvettes or
It's not even a wing like what would you describe the thing? It's a rear lip spoiler a rear lip spoiler
I just go straight. I really like the one on the c7. That's where exactly where I was going with that the one on yours
Was amazing and they have a similar one for the zr1x the factory one is too low
But they make an add-on that basically looks just like the c7. It just needs it needs a little more duck bill or duck tail or whatever
Yeah, well, and that's the thing. I wish
What we would probably end up doing is eliminating it and putting on the low spoiler
Yeah, but we want the z07 and the ztk package because I want all the front down force. Yeah
But i'm just saying that wing is just it's it's massive. It's functional. But yeah, it's way too big
I've watched the the j lino version many many times and he was talking to the I think it's the president gm right now
Um, and I just that wing even in black. It just doesn't it's so massive and I get it has a purpose
I do but it just doesn't appeal to me because I need that car to be sexy sitting still too
Yep, so yeah, it's a lot going on and I would a hundred percent if I was in that in that tax bracket have different color sheets
Yes, love that. I love that option. I think that's such a cool thing for always done it for years
But I don't think corvettes ever really done that before that's never been an option with corvette has it
I can remember right
No, you could get it in the z06 the in the c8 you could oh c8. Yeah, but not any other one before that
All right, I don't know. We were just having a conversation. I agree. I like that
We both he's like I hate the wing and I was like I do too. I was like I don't hate it
Like I get it from a mechanical and engineering perspective, but it's just not attractive to me
No, it's yeah, they went full function on that car. Yeah
But
You know
The true peak of of talent is when you can marry those things design and engineering
And so which Porsche does really well, how are they? I haven't and I don't know if you know the answer to this
Um, how are they doing on delivery times? Are they doing are they getting a pretty good job?
I get in these cars to people or people waiting years for these kind of no
No, they're usually within three to six months. Oh, wow. That's yeah fast
Okay, there was there was a production shut down due to a recall
We knew that but beyond that when they had when they can move cars it's open
It's back up now. It's only down for like a week. It's usually three to six months. Wow. Yeah, so they they are very quick
You know american assembly line. Yeah, so get her done
There was a study people did it was there's an article I read was it they looked at uh, here it is
How much has a 2021 tesla model model 3 depreciated in five years?
Anyone you want to guess
Well percentage-wise. Did you see Todd's rant on facebook today? No about uh, uh,
Sanders, yeah about
The rta and what they think his car is worth
Oh, yeah, and and what they're charging in for tabs
But the fact that you could go out and buy a new version of his car for like
They think they they say his car is worth about 55,000
But you could buy a brand new one for like 35 to 40 so it doesn't make sense. So, um, I
Depreciate I was going to say that weird how they did that. Yeah, didn't see that coming at all
When I moved out of the rta zone
And I followed you. Yeah
Yeah
Yeah, well so to the answer your question
I would what was the depreciation like what is it worth to 2021 now?
Uh, and how much do you think it's gone down percentage-wise?
Oh
62 percent
Did you read this article? No 61 percent
I just I was like 50 seems not enough 70 seems too much
So no, yeah, yeah the average depreciation was fun to watch
No, I did not see that article. No, it was exactly 61 percent according to car ads. Ah, that's I mean
I'd be okay taking depreciation on car like that that I wasn't putting gas in every day
So
You'd have to yeah, but that's the math doesn't math in five years in five years. You would be spending
Like worst case scenario
Worst case on gas 10 grand
And
On a car that size think of the cars that size it'd be one thing you were like comparing it to
nf 250
7.3 gas, but a mid small mid-size. Okay. It's just
Yeah, so that's 20 percent higher than the average vehicle now
This is probably a little higher because it's a tesla
But this is sort of what has been plaguing electric cars so much
Okay, but is the resale value dropped so much because
People don't want to buy it or because people want to get a car with a bumper sticker that says
I bought this car before ilan. Is this a mat? Is this people mad at tesla? So therefore they're not buying used teslas
Is that causing that is my point
Let's see here
The take-ons are doing much better. I'm trying to find it and
Okay, so the longer this is for the standard version the long range version
uh lost around 55 percent
And the performance
57 percent
So model threes in general have just bit the bullet and died. I don't know if it's just because it's a tesla
um Porsche take-ons have done really well
I mean, uh, obviously
I mean especially around here
It's rare to see a tesla without a bumper sticker says I bought this before ilan went crazy or whatever. Yeah, I mean
But my point is is that affecting people? Oh, I'm sure are there political views affecting them buying these cars and buying used to
Yeah, I'm sure it is just because
It's comes into a business decision at that point whether you like the car or not
Are you going to risk the the lower resale value because of the stigma of the brand?
So lease. Yeah. Yeah, okay. We've been saying it the whole time and you lease EVs. You don't buy them. Yeah
Although in this case if you could pick up a
Model three performance with every option for low 20s
Might not be a bad deal. I still but again, I will come back to it a better deal is a Volkswagen gti
with a manual
You still looking for cars?
Uh, not really. It is
I'm not going to pay as much in fuel to offset the cost of buying the other car
Or depreciation. I've taken both into consideration. I like spreadsheets
So when I look at who doesn't yeah when I look at the depreciation over time
Plus the average gas cost based on what I've been paying per month when I've been staying here. Not what I've been traveling
I would
Basically have to find a used car for like six grand
Because what you could do, but you'd put more you'd put more money into it after that
Exactly finding that car. Yeah, it's just the raptors don't really the raptor the f-150 raptor really doesn't appreciate like most trucks even now
So still a high demand for him not as high as it used to be by a long margin, but still it's not
God, there's a lot of them around here. Yeah, like I said, you can sell them any day of the week
So it's pretty easy to it's a pretty it was a pretty smart move in that sense. Yeah, so yeah, I'm just
Financially doesn't make sense. That's all it comes down to. I'd like to have another car for fun
But you know, I've a fun little run-around car only you had a fun car here. I know it's not very good at groceries though
Sure, it is
It's not very good at bringing them home. It'll get you to the store. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Its frunk is not I mean
It's a little bigger than the 570 h frunk. I think maybe it's the hair but
So I know you're not a big facebook guy, but all those memories came up on facebook like the last week when we were
Loaned mclarenz. Oh, yeah, and I was laughing because I mean again
We put a thousand miles on those cars in a week in a week. I told Adam we were gonna do it
Um, but all those came up and I was like, I forgot we went there and I forgot I did that and I forgot
Yeah, and then I remember sitting in the garage trying to fix the window seal on yours because the it's a brand new car
And the roof wouldn't seal. Yeah
I'd still buy one. Oh, yeah, I still love them. Yeah, I saw 600 lt in traffic the other day
Any lt
McLaren, I don't care. Which one it is
Any lt is a great car such a great car. Do you see that somebody caught?
A new lamborghini ravuelto down in port in portland with that body kit where the rear fins or lights
It was on avance portland and it looked it was in the rain too. So whoever you are
Massive points. So yeah, yeah, gotta play with your cars in the rain. Oh, of course. Of course. Yeah
Oh second part of the ev update evs are kind of dominating the news right now. So no, yeah, so that's why they keep coming up on the show
uh
For all the people saying av sales are up and they are slightly. Oh, damn that is good looking
Nick just brought the video. I'm just showing you in the video of odds portland. That was cool. Isn't that cool
Throws me back to like high school
Who's out here looking looking tron? Yeah, that's so cool
Yeah, automakers are eating nearly 8,000 on incentives just to sell sell them right now
They're eating 8,000 the cost was to clear them off the floor because they've been sitting so long
Of course the pictures of tesla, but this is not tesla. This is uh, tesla's probably doing
Not to be shabby
Yeah, shabby
Ford, I mean, I don't know. I haven't been by a toy dealership. I don't I don't really see Priuses
I don't see as many new Priuses on the road as I used to
No, I think it's because of competition now. Honestly, probably there's a lot of hundays and keyas and everybody's got a hybrid now
You get a habit you get a hat. Yeah, everything everything's hybrid right now. And I was watching an article
Uh, the f1 watching an article. Yeah
Reading a story and watching a video that was embedded in the article about the f150 lightning and about how that is
Ford had pulled back on it production wise now. It looks like it's dead. I thought we knew that
Uh, it wasn't official yet
Like they had changed it so where even the frunk was an option on it because nobody really used it that much
So it was like a paid option and now they're just killing the truck. What else would you put there? No idea?
That makes no sense. Okay, the whole thing was a disaster and what it came down to
There was this it was funny. They were talking about the failure of the f150 lightning and why it failed
They were not doing it was not a what do they call it? Uh
Was not an opinion piece
Which was nice to see it was like, hey, here's the roadmap of the f150 and all the failures one
It was plagued by recalls, but one of the biggest things was somebody posted a video
Uh
Doing a towing test. Mm-hmm
And it was not towing it was towing
A boat, but it was a small boat not like a giant boat like not a wakeboard boat
That was hoovy's garage that did that. Yeah, I think it was and
To say the range was bad would be understating it to a degree. It's it got about
20% of its range
Well, they they didn't make it even 100 miles
They they had that problem with because everybody was like, oh you could park it at your job site and use it as a power source
While you're building your house and a bunch of contractors tried it and it died. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, so it just ate through the battery
But the towing was like you can't do towing you can't do truck things with it. Like you literally
I think they made it
Uh, which is ford's issue because you can tow with a rivian. I've seen it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can tow with about 60
Yeah, you can tow with a cyber truck. Yeah, they got about 65 miles out of it for was almost dead
And they off of what they were using they figured they could have they could have gone maybe 100 miles towing the boat
which is
Uh, considering the charge time was no
I can save you ford take all the lightings that are sitting out outside your factory bring them back in rip out all the
Electrical stuff put supercharged v8s in them. You don't even have to change the badging
We can still call them lightings bring back the new svt
SVT lightning win-win. Yep. Yep. Totally right. There you go. I actually agree
um
Put the supercharged v8 from the raptor are in it. Call it a day. Yeah. Yeah, yep
Street street truck with a wrap some guy and make it a man halfway down
The assembly line with a sludge hammer on both sides where he dents in the bed
So you got a step like the old school lightning
I'm telling you you could sell this truck
Drop a manual in it 100%
Yeah, see now you're getting back into the srt 10 and like the viper and I'm just saying like they should make
Like a really limited run of manuals. Most people would go through the automatic anyway
And I don't blame them the 10 speeds
Well, it's actually been kind of problematic, but it's been working pretty well in the raptor are so that's an easy crossover
But if you actually put a manual in it, you'd have that really niche
Truck that people only a few people would buy but if you're like, hey, we're only making 1500 of them
You'd have a hundred thousand dollar msrp offers or adm offers on them all day
And if you young ones who love cars that don't know what I'm talking about
Brian O'Connor in the first Fast and the Furious drove a red lightning and yes, he ran it into the curb
Yep, is that was it your was that 2001 yep 2001. Yeah great truck god 25 years ago. Yeah
That makes me feel very old
But they've gone to the moon now right fast and furious. So that's the space thing or the moon. Oh, sorry. They sent him to space
I'm sorry in a fiero
Yeah, how dare I forget? Yeah
Yeah, I remember I remember when we've talked about it before when dodge came out the srt
They had the srt4 which is the neon the viper and then the srt10 truck that they would sell to you in a manual
But you never wanted to take your hands off the wheel because the viper v 10 in it
And the rear end would get so loose
so yeah
I mean we we this this show and most of the people of the vaughn's preach manuals. We all love them
Yeah, yeah, and that's great. That's a turn too
That is true. Yeah more manuals more manuals. How's your other transportation?
Do you ride the bike anymore since last week? I have not uh, the the the bash plates came back in the sock
So that'll show up. Okay. Um, I haven't it's
I I I made myself a pledge that like I told myself like with the 450 it sat because I wasn't driving it
And I'm I'm gonna get out and drive this. I'm gonna put miles on it because I need
to
it it's
I need to do it. It's it's stupid to waste my and even if it's
It's paid off. It's stupid to have that sitting there and not using it kind of thing
So I'm gonna force myself to do it. Um, I I don't I didn't buy it to ride it a lot on the road, but I think
um, I'm looking at some other uh career opportunities
Taking on maybe a job here or two some friends in the insurance industry
And I would probably in like end up like I'd have to go to baffle like once a week
And I thought maybe that'd be a nice little ride up the back road something like that
Oh, yeah the back way through woodenville. I don't want to take the raptor
Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, like I told you last week. I finally like $95 to fill that up and I was like, no, thanks
Just because I can doesn't mean I don't that's why I just believe me 34 gallons of premium unleaded, baby
I'm getting ready. We're taking that we have a corporate retreat this week. I'm heading down to cannon beach and we're
We're taking the new Audi and we're taking the van and I'm it's it's four days where I can teach my parents about everything
About the van and really work on it, but I'm not looking forward to putting diesel in that thing going down there
So it's still an average of a nice seven dollars a gallon, isn't it?
Yes, it was seven something it was seven seven oh two or something when I put it in so we'll have to see
I don't know. I mean again, it's you know, it's a pleasure vehicle. I'm
Blessed to be able to have it and and use it and and you know, so I'm grateful, but it's still
Oh, yeah, I heard some wallet
It's like I've never seen those numbers. I didn't know these gas pumps went up that high
So
It'll come back down. I'm trying to think what the most I've ever paid for gas is it's got to be in the Raptor
I think I've paid like 160 bucks to fill the tank a couple times. Yeah, but it's a 30s out and 34 gallons
Yeah, I've been really low before but yeah
Yeah, at least at least you can run regular in them. I can run regular in the the Raptor now
I can't in the Bronco, but it'll take regular as well
But I don't know the 94 dollar thing was I accidentally didn't put supreme in I put it which I it was fine
I oh, yeah, you can run both. It was still fine. We even says on the cap
It was still 94 dollars. Yeah, and so yeah, yeah, I don't know. I'd be curious what I mean
That's that's I'm gonna pose another question at the end of the show
But what is your largest gas bill and and boat people don't get in on this because I know that that's
Well, I once filled my yacht and it was uh,
$35,000 for the first two minutes. No, yeah, yes, I had a 45 gallon tank on my super back in the day
That was no super long my boat not my car. Yeah super launch 21v
Yeah, but you needed to fill it for balance and balance. Yeah. Yeah, luckily that burned regular unleaded
But still that was why I was quickly like yeah
None of you were that hot. It's gas is not free. I don't care who you are
You're getting on my boat without gas money. Yeah
It's starting to sound like Roy
I don't say you're wrong. I'm just saying
It's starting to sound like right
Here's the question of the week. We talked about what are you doing to your car?
But what is what is everybody upgrading in their garage this summer this spring?
What's what's going to change in your garage? What's going to make it easier to work on your car?
What's going to make it more fun?
Are you adding tv's stereos new cabinets? Are you buying new tools? What's air systems?
Back systems. What's what's happening as I look around thinking? Yes. Yes. Yes. I did all of it here
Yeah, I've done all of I got the tv up there. I got the upgraded stereo the upgraded air compressor the upgraded airlines
I added windows
window blinds
air conditioning
Got the tables and chairs
Yeah
Highly recommend if you haven't
My personal recommendation is a mini split. It is the best investment. I have made in this shop even over
I mean besides actually building the shop and putting cement down
But if you have a garage even a small garage get a this one is a yida home brand
It was six hundred dollars. Yeah, I installed it myself
Um, and it still works. It still works. I could have done it better
You know learning as I go along there are things I would do differently about the install
But not the placement and like that just running the running the lines that you got hard lines full of
Freon that you had to put through the wall, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's not easy
No, it's just it's just things like I don't I'm not an HVAC person
But I follow the instructions. I get it it works. It blows cold air it blows hotter
Um, and that's really all you need but it could be colder and it could be warmer and there's a reason for that
um
so
but still
Take your time
Ask on the forum or the the forum ask on the facebook page
This is the kind of this is a great car question to ask on avance is I'm not creating my garage
I want to do this those are awesome questions for avance. I love seeing the are you on here bro and the car spotting
But the real good conversations happen about car mods car purchasing and garage updates and tools
Like those are the fun ones to read. You'll get a ton of people engaged
like running, but yeah, I would say
If you do anything we don't have that much hot
Wash don't have like three months of really hot weather, but the mini split with the heating and the cooling
Best thing I've ever done in a garage because I come out here in the summer. Did you have it last summer? Yeah, you did
Okay, yeah, yeah, I closed the but I didn't have the garage doors yet
That's what it was. Okay, and so I installed the garage door. So now I'm fully insulated except for the roof
Um, which I got to do but I got the new roof. I just haven't insulated it yet
Yeah, but the new roof should help. Oh it does it does. Yeah
Yeah, and then I just I've got that little fan up there
Yeah, and that helps blow the the mini split around and it is enough even in this shop
At uh 30 by 30 shop that one mini split it's a 24 000 BTU is enough to cool it to a very warm in here
Keeps it warm keeps it cold. I was like you can turn it off
Yeah
Yeah, it keeps it warm and most importantly for me it keeps it cold because I can I will work in the cold by layering
But working in the heat in the garage just sucks. Yeah, especially when you got a hot car in here
Yeah, I may have to use this space. I just found a new cat back exhaust. I'm thinking about for the ranger
Oh
Yeah, yeah
reasonably priced to
reasonably
Well, I say that because borla wants like two grand and this is like in the 600 dollar range. Oh, yeah
Oh, it sounds okay. Doesn't make it sound like it. It does. It does. Yeah, I know
VQ engine. Yeah
Oh hamster wheels. Oh, yeah. No, it's like 350z. Yeah. No, no, no, no
That's the worst thing about the twin turbo sixes is if with a bad exhaust they sound like crappy
like
The the raptors, especially the the half tons they sound like really crappy vq engine big sauce. I agree
So I agree. Well, I'll show it to you. Yeah. All right. Well, I think that's uh, that's good for this week. Yeah
Uh, as always for this episode of Yvonne's podcast. I'm nick. I'm dan. Don't just get there. Enjoy the drive
About this episode
Dan and Nick bounce from Star Wars collectibles and pollen paint-care to a surprisingly deep rabbit hole on extreme bird-watching documentaries. The conversation then shifts to truck and SUV competition: Kia’s rumored US pickup by 2030, GMC bringing back a body-on-frame “Jimmy” to challenge the Toyota 4Runner, and why the Bronco/4Runner cross-shopping is less direct than it seems. They also debate EV depreciation and the Ford F-150 Lightning’s real-world towing/range failures, plus Corvette pricing, Toyota’s TRD Hammer rumors, and garage upgrades like mini-splits.
This week’s episode takes a few fun detours and a few hard turns into the reality of today’s car market. We kick things off in unexpected territory with a discussion on Listers: A Glimpse Into Extreme Birdwatching and the strange, entertaining world of accidental ornithology—proof that bird watching can be far more intense (and competitive) than anyone expects.
With the GMC Jimmy officially making a return, we ask the obvious question: does this finally give us hope that Ford might bring the Everest stateside? That leads into a bigger “what if” conversation—cars that *should* have been massive hits but were held back by baffling decisions. We argue the Cybertruck may have been more popular as a true SUV instead of a polarizing pickup, and the Honda Prelude is our go-to example of a car that was absolutely nerfed by its manufacturer. We also ask listeners which car they think deserved better.
Truck talk continues as Toyota announces the Tundra TRD Hammer Edition, a clear shot across the bow of the Raptor. We think Toyota nailed this one and expect it to be a serious competitor. On the performance side, pricing for the new Grand Sport X has dropped, and at $113K we make the case that it’s one of the best bang‑for‑your‑buck cars on the market right now.
We then dive into the brutal reality of depreciation—especially in the EV space. The Tesla Model 3 RWD losing roughly 62% of its value raises a bigger question: is this a reflection of the EV market as a whole, or is Tesla dealing with its own unique set of problems, including brand fatigue and Elon‑induced polarization? Along similar lines, Ford officially confirms what many saw coming—the death of the F‑150 Lightning. The twist? We think it’s actually fixable, and we break down how Ford could have saved it.
We wrap up with some real‑world pain: gas prices. When a full tank in a Raptor is flirting with $200, it begs the question—what’s the most you’ve ever paid to fill up?
And finally, our Question of the Week: what shop or garage upgrades are you planning this year? Dan thinks a mini‑split is non‑negotiable before summer hits—do you agree?
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