BMW Celebrates 40 Years of the M3, Then Kills Everything It Stood For

They don't need to reinvent it like there's not much more you can do with a manual, right?

You see what I'm saying. Just put a guess. I'm gonna be done with it. Yes. Yes

Use your existing transmissions that have already been made. You don't know invest in a new design

You don't have to invest in new tooling or supplier

46 m3 just like yeah, just put it in there

Why not

You

Hey guys, welcome to over press I'm Chris and I'm shake I would like to solicit a

Oh

Version of our intro

Yes, can we do that? That would be really cool. I bet AI could do but I don't want AI to do it

I want someone that listens that can actually play a banjo to do it. What do you say?

Yeah, I think this reminded me of a really stupid meme

I saw the other day where someone was like there's bluegrass music and you've heard of house music like EDM like is a type of

Houses a type of EDM and someone goes yet. My my bro over here just made some house bluegrass and

Calls it yard

Yeah, I was gonna say

Because it's your house grass house grass is yard so

Yes, yeah, we need we need a yard version of

Of our intro like that. Yes, it would be great when we have the solo which we don't often play the solo

We should play the solo at some point which is the key to our show. It'd be total banjo. It would be amazing

So if anybody lands a little do a fiddle

Yeah, get you down then we'll send you some shirts or something. We'll get you get you figured out. All right, Jacob

Yeah, welcome to news where we cover the best news in the automotive industry and with the best opinions as well

I got this is some good news

Good news this week. What?

No, I've just the best opinions on the best news, which is your opinion. Therefore. Yes, that's right prophecy. Yeah

Yeah, you have opinions too. They're just slightly

Oh, yeah, obviously I'm video prime video has announced the grand tour is returning

Later in 2026. Have you heard about this? I heard this I have heard and I I'm hoping you can tell me who these people are because I

Like I gathered a couple clips we can figure this out, but it's a new set of presenters which right

You've tried many many times with top gear and now we're trying it with grand tour

You know, I'm just like yeah

The thing is is it's a little bit different because if you think about it top gear was this show that was had a kind of a

Formula they had like a news thing and then they had like reviews and then they had kind of like little mini documentaries about a racecar driver and

Right, you know this the grand tour is is the it was literally just the Clarkson May and Hammond show

Like they just made this show the grand tour for them

It was like the finale of a lot of the seasons of top gear would be what the grand tour events evolved into

And I feel like it's really really really dependent on their personalities because said this before yeah at 100%

is and I

Think it's something where

You can't go home again

You know the saying you can't go home again. Yeah, I feel like that's what this is and I

Okay, so it's gonna be it's a new set of presenters and this I don't want to like I don't know these guys

I don't either. Here's the here's the thing on popular opinion or maybe a hot take here

We're coming to the point where

newer

Gen X Gen Z. What is it Gen Z? I guess social media, you know grew up with

basically the younger audience of today didn't grow up with

Hammond and

Clarkson and make all the grand tour just a few years ago, right?

Yes, but it's gonna come to a point now where the newer audience doesn't care because they don't have this preconceived notion of what this should be

So a is there gonna be an audience at all is anyone interested in this and B

Are we gonna reach a point where it doesn't matter?

Because I agree and everyone's of the same opinion. I think that like oh, well, you can't you can't redo this without those three, right?

Yeah, I

Guess I guess it depends on the dynamic of the three

I think the problem is that they're always trying to like cast like they're trying to create similar chemistry

Right, which I think we might have different chemistry now

Okay, let's let's so it's gonna be Thomas Holland and James Engelsman from the YouTube channel throttle house

Which I have never seen I I can see very little automotive content on YouTube

I watch I watch stance works because Mike's my buddy and I walk I watch

Oh my god

Oh

Yeah, the other one. That's the one. Why can't why am I like losing my brain? I

Don't watch to watch too much. Okay, and it's and it ends up being like architecture yesterday

I was watching like woodworking because Jesse

Want to start out like a like a woodworking thing. I don't know

What does that mean a woodworking thing like billy-tater or a business or or stuff or I don't know she just wants to

You may also feel this wives need hobbies

Your hobby cannot be your your spouse like

Your hobby cannot be your spouse my hobby is work

That is not a hobby

Actually, her hobby is mowing the grass. That would that's what she would say her hobby

That is a fair hobby. That is that is fair John Ludwick, by the way, it's the other super great friend of mine, too

I don't know. I could my brain just could not pull that

Of pain and I mean he's he's always building something and I'm very interested in what he's up to because it's kind of like he has this

Attainableness to things and Mike does too Mike is well Mike has gone a little off the reservation with the with the F40

Doing it, but just in terms of what I can relate to anymore

Sure, he takes it so seriously and learn so hard

John I feel like there's a little bit more. Oh, I could actually do that

I can actually do that. I'm not I'm not designing

Modena base suspension for my custom tube chassis car. I'm just I'm just never never ever going to do it

Although the car behind me here, you know, I built it

Or at the Mercedes right the s50. I feel like I should pull the motor out of that thing

Take the subframe out that I built a 3d scan wouldn't I bought a 3d scanner. I've already done that much

And I want to redo I want to get a tube bender and I want to do it a tube version of the subframe

That's in that car right because the subframe you you built is basically just boxed tubing. It's a new K member

It's not a subframe. I would say because a full subframe has suspension pickup points. Like did you read the arm?

Yeah, this has been pickups. Yes, this is it's crazy how advanced the subframe is for 1972 the lower control arms mount to this

Okay, and the and the spring perches are actually on it as well

So it does it is that is a full K member. So it's all subframe all subframe, but I'd like to do something. That's a little more

Structurally sound I guess

Basically, I cut it in half and I boxed it in and I put all kinds of weld on it and made it, you know strong

Yeah, you boogerhead. Yeah, I've eaten the hell out of it on the rally. So it's fine

But the same time I'm like, ah, I think the next step would be to do that, but it has rusty floor on one side

So I have to I got a whole new floor pan

Okay goes from up in front of the pedals all the way back all the way back anyway off the reservation again here

Okay, so we've got Thomas Holland and James Engelman from the YouTube channel throttle house

Along with Francis bourgeois

Amazon described bourgeois is a celebrated train spotter and a secret petal head and says the new series will run six

Episodes and keep the same globe hopping challenge driven format

Okay, all right, so it is gonna be like adventures supposedly I think so

I think it's gonna maintain this the same format. Uh, Mrs. Producer play clip one. This is uh, this is James Engelman and

Thomas Holland, I believe

All right

She's she doesn't want she doesn't want Mrs. Prooster doesn't want to play it. I will yeah, hey James

Yes, you know how sometimes we think we're smart, but we're actually quite dumb

Yes

They made the air-compressing light air can just be way too less

Yeah, this is about the most stupid thing you could take on isn't it

Okay, so that's there's not it looks fun

There's like a 20-minute trailer the question is can you take these two guys that are in their environment and then put them with?

with Francis bourgeois who is

The public name of Luke Magnus Nicholson a British grader who went viral for train spotting videos

Shot with a wide-angle action camera and a very earnest very technical enthusiasm

I would describe him as autistic like if you think of like yes, yeah, yeah, do we have?

Yes, any video of him

Into a mainstream personality and Amazon is positioning him here as the wild card of the trio

So you have these two guys that have been working together non-stop building a pretty serious YouTube channel

And then you have Mr. Francis, which I don't is he gonna be called Francis or is he gonna be called Luke?

I don't really I don't really know anyway, so he's an engineer. He's got engineering chops, and he's a different type of gearhead

All right play clip to

Mrs. Producer

The type the time has come for me to take the jazz on some nice twisty roads

So I've driven it all the way up to Derbyshire where I can give it a proper leg stretch

For those who may not know I have K20 engine swaps my Honda jazz

Not only that I fitted it with some proper suspension

Operated the brakes and given it a limited slip differential, so

Not only does it go as fast as a cat if you are to accidentally stand on its tail

But it can also dance through the corners

All right, Mrs.

It's uh, it's it's you have to hold on Mrs.

Producer is not know how to stop a clip

I

Mean we get a good look at a sweater, which is do we do have a great as well as a headset which is not choice for it in car

monologue

There we go. So that that's that was girlfriend's car, which I think is is interesting. It's why it's pink

Yeah, I think are a guy can own a pink car

All right, so this guy seems like an absolute nerd

Yeah, no, but I'm very excited about it

I like the kids the other two guys seem kind of prototypical

Car guy YouTube channel

Like if you and I were gonna do a video it'd be kind of like this like just two guys

I was thinking the same thing. I was like, oh, we can do that. That'd be cool. Yeah, 100%

The nerd guys I like

Yes, he seems like he's like James May and Jeremy Clarkson kind of like

Amalgamated into one thing, you know, kind of like a nerd, but maybe some witty statements

But like strange James may kind of like strange British. So that's very very British

He seems like he's got like there's no kinds of different British dialects and stuff like that

But he seems like the one where all the rich people are from. Oh, yes. Well

Shire Shire Glenn exactly. I do have some good news Jake

Okay

EPA administrator Lee Zeldin has announced what the Trump administration is calling the single largest

Deregulatory action in US history among the rollbacks

Something very very near and dear to my heart. I am very excited about this

And I hope it gets eliminated from every single vehicle not that I'm into owning any new cars anymore

But certainly a benefit the elimination of off-cycle credits that incentivize automakers to install

Automatic start-stop systems in new vehicles

Okay, start-stop technology shuts off your engine when you come to a complete stop and restarts it when you lift off the brake

It was designed to reduce fuel consumption during idle the Obama era EPA created the off-cycle credit in

2012 giving automakers regulatory points towards meeting greenhouse gas standards for including the feature over the last decade

Roughly 60% of new cars have shipped with it

EPA hasn't technically banned start-stop. What they've done is remove the regulatory incentive to include it

Without the credit most automakers are expected to drop it or make it permanently defeatable. That's the thing, dude

You would get in you turn it off. Mm-hmm. And then the next time you get in the car. You would have to turn it off again

It would never just stay off

You always had to get in hit the button and I've never had it other than

The McCon actually for whatever reason stays off and that's a 2015

Yeah, all the Porsches do that. They stay off any rental car. I've had it does not stay off like Toyota's Ford's

Yeah, Volvo would not would say would not stay off Zeldin called it the Obama switch and it makes me close

I at every red light. He also claimed it kills batteries

Though that's been disputed by engineering studies from the Society of Automotive NG engineers or SAE is they well

Suggesting that suggests fuel statings of seven to twenty six percent to get twenty really

That's like LA traffic, right? I was gonna say you have to be like at a stoplight for half of your commute

That's LA traffic for sure still at this and for both publicly welcome the move

Environmental groups have signaled legal challenges either way if you're buying a new car in the next couple of years the days of your engine

Shutting off the stoplight could be numbered

I don't like this because why don't like the start-stop thing because it's hot outside and

the air conditioning stops working

that I

Don't know if is that's true. It's smart enough. Well, I know it stops working

But I believe there's a thing where the thermostat knows like okay

If I need to keep running the AC compressor to limit how hot it gets it'll run it out engine operates your AC compressor

And a lot of modern cars have an electrically driven AC compressor the ones that I've been in it starts going

And it just starts the air starts getting I don't know

Yeah, what you've been in or like hybrids will you know turn back on to run different ancillaries regardless?

It's it seems silly then what's the point because you're just gonna have to charge up that power again

And plus if you have a hybrid when you're sitting on a light that's charging the thing

Right

Not a big plus it doesn't need to be charged

Yeah, a lot of them are actually the one thing I don't like is it adds weight and complexity because a lot of these are

48 volt systems, so you can't just use your standard 12 volt car battery

You have to have an entirely different battery for your start-stop system, and then it's like an additional

Battery just to run. Yeah, most modern cars have 48 volt battery as well as a 12 volt

Well, I guess that I know that wear and tear on the

Starter and stuff because it's less less amperage, right?

Yeah, but then you have to replace your other battery. That's probably more expensive when that goes out

Otherwise there's math to be done of oh well you save 7% on your fuel economy. I just don't like it

I it's it's moving control

Well, that's yeah pretty much what it sounds you is like I can't turn it off at all

It's always turn it back on again. I don't like it not a fan

Call me old at Luddite whatever. I don't like it should just be optional should just be optional everything should be optional

Alright Jake, do you know what doesn't care if your engine is turning on and off who tell me?

Mobile one has been a big deal in oil for a very long time

It was introduced in 1974 is the first globally available full synthetic motor oil and launched in the middle of the energy crisis with an original

Focus on improving fuel efficiency, which then involved in a line built around where protection across hey wait a minute Chris

Yeah, I see

Oh my god

That's really funny on the moment like just mobile one calm was my car. Yeah, I love that Wow

They've also been living in motor sports for decades

Which matters if you're the kind of person who believes in testing new things until they work or break

Mobile one has been a technology partner with Porsche since

1996 and is the official oil of NASCAR and of course

Overcrest mobile one. Thank you for backing the overcrest community and for backing the kind of driving that helps us all take

the car

All right nerdy point. Yes, your first statement is actually

Totally incorrect mobile one in theory does care if your car starts or stops because the other thing that has to do with why it's bad is

you obviously lose oil pressure if you're

Engine isn't running right and every time you restart the engine then you're starting it without oil pressure

Which is another start cycle like yes, it may not have quite as much detriment on your battery or wear and tear

But regardless you are losing oil pressure for that time that you have to then restart the vehicle

I will edit this so I will edit this out to say

No, I'm just being pathetic because that's always fun

Yes, it is all right

So a couple things on on China's regulatory environment here, which I think is really really it's really interesting

China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology has been on a tear. There have been three major regulations

Are either finalized or in draft all taking effect January 1st, 2027 and the thing is myself

And most our people is in this podcast are going to agree with all of all of these

Oh, okay, so this is like common sense regulation that we like finally

Finally not does it up very often, but finally

China is the first country in the world to outlaw

Flush electronically actuated door handles popularized by Tesla

Starting in twenty seven every car door except the tailgate must have a mechanical release that works from both inside and outside the vehicle

Even if the car has lost power

Tesla, BMW, NIO, Liatto, Zepeng and Xiaomi all currently sell vehicles in China with flush handles that will need to be

redesigned Bloomberg has identified 15 deaths linked to crashes which a Tesla's doors would not open a

Xiaomi as you saw the crash in China that killed three people accelerated the regulatory push

exterior door handles

specifically

Must have a recessed space of at least six centimeters by two centimeters for a hand

Grip

Sure, okay door handles that I have yes

Before you continued on to the other two

I'm curious because the the quote automotive regulatory environment in China has to be

Interesting in itself because you think about it China's

Economy for vehicles like these are all very new all these big EV startups, right?

Because we know that you know the middle class in China just recently boomed and so there was not a lot of vehicles manufactured China

Therefore I have to assume there was not a lot of regulatory oversight for automotive

Production in China, so is this like are all of these is every regulation for vehicles new?

I think this is only regulatory oversight

I think it's like it's tough to you know draw the line between where government begins and the

Yeah, I see for me because it's in communist China, right? So yeah

It's either way. It's interesting because I feel like they have to be

Figuring out or looking at there's no highway administration that had to exist

Yeah, I don't know what the structure is like for it. I mean there

I'm sure there's just a bunch of dudes that

Work for the government that just decide to do things just like they do here

They're unelected

Yeah, I can't tell whatever is the separate well racing updates crash safety's testing standards for steering mechanisms

The new rules require impact testing at 10 specific points around the steering wheel rim including the top

Yoke style wheels do not have a top top. They literally cannot be tested

Under this new framework

Chinese

Yeah, sorry Tesla seems like both of these are like kind of aimed at Tesla

Yeah

First the missing upper portion of the wheel means key crash test points don't physically exist

Second accent dash shows 46% of driver injuries come from the steering mechanism

And the yoke allows a driver's body to bypass the wheel entirely striking the column or dashboard directly

I don't think that's the safety issue the safety issues like

You can't like I know it's

Speed dependence you don't ever have to go hand over hand with the yoke steering wheel, right?

But it's like driver familiarity if nothing else. I don't know

Yeah, I I think that's probably something you'd have to pretty well

But they they just say they need to be able to test all points of the wheel and if there's nothing there, it's illegal

So, um, all of them will need to fix round wheels by 20 27

Lex has that one

The Model S plan has a yoke in it. I think it's just ironic that you have to stipulate that the wheel

Has to be round because the definition of a wheel chris

Is round is round the wheel has to be round. Yes, obviously ride by definition

Touch touchscreen controls

China's are being restricted

China is also proposing rules that would require physical buttons or switches for critical safety functions such as turn signals hazard lights

Geared selection horn wipers and so such emergency sos

Emergency calls must all have fixed

tactile controls with a minimum surface area of 10 by 10 millimeters

No more bearing your turn signal in a touchscreen sub menu

Automakers seeking five star safety ratings will need to comply

So if you look at all of these

This is going to be in our market too

When you have a market that's this big this is just

manufacturers are not going to build different dashboards and different steering wheels and different button configurations

So we are all going to have door handles that work and round steering wheels and more buttons thanks to

China's regulatory environment, which is something I never thought I would again. I think makes sense

I can agree with these

again, this is like

It's kind of common sense stuff to me that you would think that the market would

Decide already but yeah

All right, Porsche

Sources speaking to the drive. Thank you, Joel Federer for this article that I that I pulled this from our good friend

Joel Federer say the Porsche leadership has been in a closed-door meeting in Europe to make a final call on the electric 718

Box during Cayman

Whether they move forward or get shelved

The drive says the meeting is happening under the new CEO Michael lighters and the stated responses so far

Reasons so far have been development delays and rising expenses

When the drive calls this program quote development hell

They said this both programs the box during the Cayman are stuck in development hell

It is not just a vague insult in earlier reporting tied to german outlet automobile

Porsche engineers are described as repeatedly going back to the drawing board on the battery pack

Sending new specs over and over again to their supplier valent automotive

Report says valmet got tired of reworking the pack over and over for free and started invoicing Porsche for extra development time

That kind of supplier pushback is what development hell looks like in real life

There's also the hard physics problem sitting underneath all of this

Porsche has reportedly targeted the 17 to weigh under 4 000 pounds, which is a serious engineering challenge, dude

What a thousand pounds

Yeah, how much did your mark for r32 way?

36 4 000. Yeah definitely 36 34 30. I think it was 3400 pounds. Yeah, like a regular golf was 3100

Yep, yeah, and then mark threes were in the 2800 range. Yep. This is too heavy

This is too heavy standards

Why are we allowing the standards to slip though? Why are we allowing that to happen because of all of the new

technology safety requirements everything else that we just talked about your 48 volt start-stop system weighs a lot of

Like it weighs a lot. There's a lot of wires. There's a lot of coppers. There's a lot of big battery there

And if it's full ev we know batteries are very heavy

Very heavy

The goal is a proper sports car ev without letting the battery turn it into a heavy gt car

And that target is what keeps the program looping back on itself

The timing is what makes this decision feel urgent the next generation 718 was originally ev only and the current gas models are

Already out of production leaving Porsche with a giant hole in their entries. Oh, so you can't buy

a new

Boxer or Cayman, that's interesting. No. No. Yeah, you're toast. You're toast. Yeah, I have to imagine too as we know like the

The technology in the ev market

is so rapidly advancing and changing that

As they're sitting here developing it

There's no new model still a 718 boxer. Yep. Yep

nothing

Wow

Continue sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you

I was just gonna say like it's no wonder it's in development hell because not only are they having

You know going back to their supplier every time saying oh, we need this different. We need this different

It's like as they're developing it and sitting there for years

They go. Oh, by the way technology changed completely and we have to figure out how to integrate this instead because this is looking really dated, dude

This style is looking starting to look really dated. Yeah

It kind of is isn't it? I mean

The new 9-11s have a totally different design language for that. Yep, and I'm sure that was worse on the slabs

Did not happen. All right. Tell us a little bit about our friends over at nokian

Yeah, well, this is like a combo news story and uh little ad spot here because just today

Actually nokian unveiled a crazy new tire technology

That automatically deploy and retract studs

Studded tires so the hawka polita 01 as it's called is the world's first tire what they're calling quote double action stud technology

Which allows us?

That's us. That's me double action studs. Yeah

Yeah, and the the studs will automatically engage in colder temperature

The I had to look it up because I was like how does this even work the responsive stud behavior is achieved through

An advanced tire compound so when the road temperature is at or below freezing

The rubber stays stiff enough to keep the studs firmly

protruding right but as soon as the temperature raises above freezing the compound

Warms and softens so that the studs

Are able to like retract back into the tire compound or the rubber itself

Um, this is basically the best of both worlds, right?

You get massively better grip on icy roads as you can attest to with studded hawka politas

Uh while remaining quieter because studded tires are loud

They're so loud. It's something sounds like a dog that needs his nail trim sprinting across a wood floor

It's it's so loud. It's it's it also is destroying

That that uh, you know wood floor in that analogy as well because exactly exactly and people are just stare at you as you drive by

They're like, what is going on? It's it's not good

They're amazing. So you're amazing. I mean, oh, yeah on the snow and ice. So this is uh, this is a good note

Yeah, so I like how it has the best of worlds the concept itself

Which is being called the biggest advancement since the invention of the winter tire itself

That was nooky and ceo that said that uh, it was introduced by nooky and back in 2014 actually

And since then the company's engineers have worked tirelessly

Do you see what it there? I think they've worked tirelessly

To uh, uh make the technology a reality testing thousands of different prototype tires

Uh, not only in indoor labs and urban areas, but the company's own renowned arctic test center in finland and

The haka ring test facility in spain. So you guys can check it out at nookyandtires.com slash

one

Oh, right. So we're two, uh, running a set of those

That would sound really cool

It's anything just for the noise because it is it's such like, oh my gosh

You kind of feel really soft

All right, lamborghini ceo steven winkelman

confirmed that the

Lanzador

Which sounds lanzador sounds like a place where lanzador talk to your doctor about lanzador's day

I was thinking it was where the elves are hiding and in laura the rings

The all electric is not for everyone lanzador may cause side effects

Well, it's for no one the all electric concept and build that modern car week in 2023 is dead. So it is for nobody

Um side effects are not existing

The company will not build a battery electric vehicle for the foreseeable future

Instead the entire lamborghini lineup will be plug-in hybrid by 2030

And they'll keep building combustion engines for as long as possible

Excuse me. Okay

Winkleman was they lamborghini never made an evie. They never got one out the door and no, they never got there

I mean, it's one of those things were late to the finish line actually probably worked out in their favor

Exactly because I didn't wait everybody else kind of went pretty far down the uh rabbit hole

They only have the rug pulled out from under them. Yes, correct. Okay

Winkleman was blunt about the reason

Demand among lamborghini's customers for fully electric cars wasn't his words quote close to zero

He called evie development an expensive hobby and

financially responsible towards shareholders customers and employees the dude was not holding back

He said that this is a game after more than a year of internal discussions dealer feedback and global market analysis

It took them a year to figure this out. Come on

No, so the lanzador which looks like a

A squishy risk kind of like yeah, I was gonna say it looks very risk

Like if you just took the transform tool and just kind of dragged it down from the top a little bit

The lanzador was supposed to be a 1 341 horsepower

ultra gt

Priced ultra gt. Is that a new?

Is that an ultra gt?

It's like a hyper cross over

hyper hyper hyper crossover. I like yeah

Okay, so ultra gt priced around $300,000 with the target launch of 2020 2029

Wakeland and wildly quietly killed it

lamborghini is not an outlier of course wildly apparently

Well made a press release they did they just did make a press release lamborghini is an outlier four took a 19.5 billion dollar write down

Uh on ev programs and canceled the f-150 lightning

successor gm disclosed six to seven billion dollar hit

and slantus wrote down

Ready 26 billion dollars

what

The entire industry is recalibrating lamborghini posted record deliveries though

Of 10,747 cars in 2025 driven almost entirely by hybrids

The revuelto dude. I don't know what a revuelto is. I I was just about to say

I don't know what any of these are other than the urus and the because we don't have the huracan anymore

Do we don't have the

Whatever the other one was

This is how you know you're getting old is because or we just don't care about new vehicles. I guess

I don't know what a revuelto is. No, I care

But the thing is that everything is moving

these

Use to carry a model along for years

Right, you have a year like year after year

You had the guillardo and you had the mercilago and the mercilago lasted for a long time and you had different now

It's like rev rev rev welto, which you miss the producers pulling up now. Oh, just call it a mercilago

What are we doing?

It looks exactly like

They don't even have the mercilago anymore. I know what this is exactly what it looks like

Is it not?

Yeah, it's yeah. Yeah, it is. It is dude. That is a mercilago or a guillardo mashed into one

Why do they need a smaller one?

All right, what's it mrs. Producer pull up a picture of now the guillardo is the huracan, right?

I don't think the huracans are on anymore either the temp tomorrow tomorrow

tomorrow rio

That's that's mario's uncle tomorrow tomorrow. Yeah, tim tim the mario

Tim Winkleman's argument is simple plug-in hybrids give Lamborghini buyers the electric torque off the line

while keeping the engine sound that defines the brand what's interesting here is

um

The ferrari luce or whatever it is the new thing. What's that thing called? Is it the luce?

I don't know lucho luce, right?

This is going to reinforce my next statement or question

I guess I'll pose it as is are we

Alone and or too old in the fact that we don't care about the latest hypercars

Like it used to be when you were a kid like you'd have the poster of you know

The guillardo up there because that was such a cool hypercar thing to aspire to or you'd see it on the street

And you'd know exactly what it was and you'd tell your dad about the specs about it

Does anyone know about these things in common culture?

Or is it a because they're so far removed now and so unattainable that we don't care and b

It moves too quickly to keep up with I think that's just again us being

I think there's this this problem or am I how do I share my screen? I want to share this tab with you

Um, I think there's this problem where there's just too many names and too many name plates and too many things to keep track of

um

I personally just can't do it just because there's too many but this is the we have not seen the

Luce yet

That's right, but we talked about this like old school lask

Look at this interior. This is well done. The pinnacle looks good

Um, it moves up and down with the steering wheel, which I think is really really cool

It's very simplistic. Obviously these are screens. It's digital only which sucks. Yes. So lots lots of buttons

This looks like an old nardy. Look at this. This is like a nardy steering. Yeah flat bottom. Yep

That's a bottom and it's got like the same three spoke design

Yep

Ferrari did not abandon it. This is all that's their all electric luce. They did they did not abandon

um

But remains I want to think about like what is

Ferrari if you think of like what is lamborghini lamborghini is I go

lamborghini is a

Muscle german muscle sports car version of an outie

No, 100% wrong lamborghini historically speaking. Yes, it was

Historically hold on. No, no, no. Don't say historically speaking. What is lamborghini now?

I historically speaking doesn't matter. What is lamborghini?

Here's the context of how I think of lamborghini has always been the ostentatious one, right? It was

Not the Ferrari

It was lamborghini because lamborghini was the one that had all of the wings

It was the middle finger. It was the italian middle finger

It was it was the one you buy it because you are ostentatious and you want to be loud and you say look at me

Ferrari has always been the one pushing the envelope like when we talked about like what are they doing with all the

You know hybrid EV only stuff. It's because they even back in 1960

They were so far in pushing the newest latest technology on all their road cars and their the race cars

They were always at the forefront of that. That's what Ferrari always has been

And so what is that today my question?

Okay, what do you do?

As because you're right. You're 100 right on Ferrari. Absolutely. So what do you do now?

When the technology cannot be pushed any further?

Yeah, what does your brand become?

What does do you just

Do you become a like I always thought Ferrari was the farmer's daughter in the white dress at the sunset

Just like this beautiful thing and then Lamborghini was always just the bull in the china shop

And I feel like that's the legacy of it all and now that

Where's it going now?

Is does Ferrari just become a luxury brand?

It always has been you can just look at their business model. They make more out of merchandising and accessories

Not always that's that's a that's the last decade

That's the last decade as they've got with writings on the wall, right?

When your when your company is not represented by small displacement v12s and motorsports, what do you become?

Because you're not making small displacement v12s anymore. There's no emotion in your engines anymore

Everything that you were known for is being ripped, you know, art is being ripped out of it

Well, what did Porsche do? We're gonna see this in Ferrari. I bet Mach my words. They are going to 100 go back to heritage

They're gonna rely 100 on heritage design

They're gonna have throwbacks to earlier models, but they're all gonna be potentially EV or hybrid

It's gonna be trying to really prop themselves off on like you said that beautiful red sports car that you imagine of classic Ferrari

That's what I think

I believe

Using Porsche as an example of what to do now is not good

They lost no like lost their ass dude. I don't know if that's the I don't know. They didn't do it. Well

They didn't do it. I don't think Porsche did it well

But

They tried that right they talked about their heritage and they know how to do

Which is what just make the best car that they possibly can and the most beautiful car that they possibly can use the technology

That's as advanced as it is just like you said. Yeah, yep, and

I wish them the best of luck. I don't know. I don't know if it works. I think it just becomes a lifestyle brand now

Yeah, and then lamborghini just makes very very sharp wedgie things

That's always been lamborghini sharpie and wedgie those that were on those cars. Oh, yeah

All the angles just very sharp looks like they were 3d printed by a child with triangles and

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Jacob

Stop tech breaks is dead and the people that killed it aren't going to prison

Really?

Yes, uh, stop. I mean, I bet they survive in some way because the brand is is too good

But uh stop tech one of the most recognized names in aftermarket performance brakes is ceasing all app operations after

27 years

So our robustness and centric two major oe replacement brake brands

No new brake parts are being manufactured existing stock will sell through retailers until it is gone

All three brands were dude stop tech was the shit back in the day. Do you remember that if you had stop

Oh, yeah, oh that was high end on the line forget brembo

You'd stop tech. I'll take it way above brembo way above

Yeah, all three brands were owned by first brands group

Which filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy in september of 2025

But this isn't a story about a company that made bad bets

It is now a fraud case

He first brands founder and CEO patrick james and his brother edward james

And I was thinking wasn't that my financial advisor? No, that's over jones a former senior

I was like, oh no

We're indicted in january by federal prosecutors in mind a manhattan on charges of wire fraud

bank fraud

money laundering conspiracy and running a continuing financial crimes enterprise

What that's a wow

prosecutors alleged the james brothers ran what they're calling a ponzi-like

operation from 2018 to 2025

The charges include fabricating and inflating invoices

Double and triple pledging loan collateral to different lenders

Yeah, satisfying financial statements and concealing billions in liabilities

At the time of bankruptcy first brands a company that claimed five billion dollars in annual sales

Had 12 million in cash and nine billion in the same bill

He's

What is the end game here chris?

Do you just think you're gonna get away with it and just yeah

We'll just claim bankruptcy and look at all this money that we got out of it

I feel like it's like a like a brick layer just laying bricks

And you just keep building the wall even if the wall doesn't go to anywhere

You just keep grabbing the bricks and putting another brick in the wall and you're literally building yourself into a brick

Like jail cell that's literally what they were doing if they were just putting down bricks and oh, let's just I don't know

Let's take on another loan and we're gonna you know inflate our

Our books and I just I don't understand especially a company that large like that much money

How does it why do it? They had all kinds of great and how does it keep going?

Like you have to have an accountant

So the accountant said on it

Well a third section over VP of finance peter brumberg said already put a copy and is cooperating with prosecutors

He faces up to 30 years per count

Well, the way you keep this going is I said it earlier the charges include fabricating inflating invoices

Double and triple pledging loan collateral. That's where the right. So you're your factory that has all these you know multi-million dollar

You know machines and machines real estate and everything else. Oh, yeah. Well as fargo here. We'll put this up as collateral. Thanks

And then oh you have Spain we'll put this up as collateral and oh chase and yeah

And okay, but you have to they're gonna ask for their money back

Eventually and then you go oops chapter 11. Okay. I can't give it back

But thanks for all that money and they go. Oh, this was all illegal because you can't do this right

They're not just gonna write that off

Allegedly use the money to fund a lifestyle. Well, they're gonna write it off because there's no money

So these banks are gonna write this down

Well, yes, but now cash. That's what I'm saying is it's not like they're not going to investigate

Oh, yeah, exactly. Patrick James allegedly used the money to fund a lifestyle that included a 23 million dollar house in malibu

$500,000 on a private chef

150

Jake you do a lot of cooking at your house. Do you not I do

Do you see what that's about? Yeah, I know you are a private

$500,000 on a private chef for a doctor. You should definitely

You should write this on the

$150,000 on a personal trainer

And three million dollars renting a new york townhouse probably for the mistress is my 100 percent. Yes

First one's also owned

Fram filters

Really?

Yeah, really. Yeah, I like fram

I did too. You know what's always funny is you'd always look at those really high dollar ferrari builds

Like the ferrari and fram filters. I always had fram filters because that's what they ran back in the day

It's I always I had a like do you ever have brands where you were just totally wrong your perception of the brand looking back

And here's my example is I remember

I the first time I saw fram or I only saw fram

My dad must have only shopped at fleet farm for oil changes because that all I remember seeing fram in

Was fleet farm and what is fram the brand is orange and black and it starts with an f

So just from a really young age probably before I even could read

I associated fram was like a house fleet farm brand. So I was like wait

Why later in life? Yeah, like why why are oems with fleet farm oil filters on them and fleet farms are very I think local

Brand or company so people don't know what that is

But it's like a farm and fleet supplier place and it was orange and black

And it looked very similar to the typeface and everything of fram

I yeah, I always thought it was a house brand of fleet farm up until yeah seeing them on ferraris

So anyways, pretty correct. This ebay listing shows a 1964 fry. It's 275 gtb showing fram oil filters

Yeah, let's see if this ebay listing pulls up

Okay

Oh, no, mobile one also sells oil filters by those don't buy these

Oh, yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Not a fram. Well, you know if this is for your 1964 to 1960

Wait, what?

What could what could go wrong?

Okay, I'm sure they're fine. I mean, it's it's it's an oil filter

Yeah, I mean with fram, I guess being no longer you can't buy a fram filter even if you wanted to so buy mobile one

They also owned a first brand also an auto light spark plugs and co

Stopped of course rebestous brakes centric brakes. I'm messaging all these places

Stoptech, rebestous and centric must have been in the same building

Yeah, I think they were all put up for sale, but nobody would buy them in time

Nobody bought them time and in my opinion someone should have put the brakes on this whole thing along

And that's it boys. We'll see you later. Oh boy, that was it. No

We can't we can't leave on on that. No, I've got a couple more articles here

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All right, jake

March

2026

Marks 40 years since the e 30 bmw m3 entered production

A car that only exists because bmw wanted to win

It was built as a homologation special for dtm

I mean the race car could not go racing until there was a street legal version, of course

What came out of that bureaucratic loophole was something closer to a weapon

A 2.3 liter naturally aspirated four cylinder up front and about 1200 kilograms to carry

And stirring that feels still feels like it's bolted directly to your wrists

Went on to become one of the most successful touring car platforms in motorsport history

One of the few performance cars from the area that never really got replaced

at all

Just reinterpreted going from an e 30 to an e 36 is a interesting. It's an interesting leap

bmw

Is leaning into the anniversary the bmw cca foundation is opening a 40 years of evolution

Exhibit on may 15th with 24 historically significant cars on display through january 20 27

The tour de course historique is dedicating its october event to the model and yosfer stoppin

Daddy is slated to drive an e 30 m3 there on the modern side

There's also speculation that bmw could send the current g 80 m3 out with a special edition before the new classic era takes over

Oh, of course that would not be subtle about the reference potentially

17184 units to mirror the original production count

The number matters because e 30 m3 is not one of five museum piece

It is a real production car that happened to be engineered with nearly 18 000 road cars being built the best part about this

This was never part of the plan for the e 30 m3. It was just supposed to win

And get trophies the outcome was a car that grew its trophies and became a reference point

Now we just look back and build cars to sell them. Nobody does anything fun anymore

We'll never see anything like this again

very sad

But we do have the bmw m2, which is a manual

Rear-wheel drive m car. Yeah, it's one of the

Better cars they make it's like the saving grace of bmw

Per auto car bmw is expected to give the next m2 a rear biased all-wheel drive setup

Moving away from the

Damn it chris

Moving away from the current cars rear-wheel drive only layout

The m2 has been the last rear drive m car

And if this change lands that air is effectively over and we know it is now because the names of all the 2026 bmw's were leaked

And it's like I don't know x something. Yeah, something. No

At the same time the next generation m3 is rumored to be all-wheel drive only and the bmw's ceo frank vanda jerk

Told car and driver that the era manual transmissions and m cars is nearly over saying quote

So we're still happy with the manuals we have

so

Years but in the future probably it's going to be more difficult to keep the manuals alive, especially the next decade

It's going to be quite difficult to develop completely new gearboxes because the segment in the market is quite small

The suppliers are not so keen on doing something like that aka

We don't want to pay for to have our suppliers design new transmissions. Which leaves me looking

Oh, yeah, he looks looking. He's like half. Fuck your manual

So, you know, it's going to be bad news when they start with literally the quote is so

It's like we're so happy with you dad

So here's the thing dad. So here's the thing

Yes, that's the way kids come in there and they go so I'll go what you want

Yep, so

Do the contrast is so dumb

Hard to miss in the same month. We are celebrating 40 years since the e30 m3

The car that helped to find bmw as lightweight. We're a drive man. He won't drive her focused

bmw is signaling it is moving on from that formula

Permanently super sick. Here's my question bmw by blaming suppliers

Why

The suppliers will make whatever you want

It's not only that and you go, I would love a cheeseburger and the supplier goes. Yeah, we're just not interested in those anymore

It's like

I mean that it works because they'll say we don't sell enough hamburgers here at this restaurant

To have the suppliers send us beef. We don't buy the beef because no one wants it

Unfortunately, that's the entire restaurant industry

What if the entire company had originally been built on cheeseburgers?

Yeah, and the branding building was a sell enough red white and blue cheeseburger

Yeah in the shape of an m

But everyone's everyone's just ordering turkey burgers chris

It's been a long slow decline and everyone's doing turkey burgers. We're just we're not going to sell any beef burgers anymore chris

That's what we're doing here. You're a your company is worth billions of dollars. Just make the manual transmissions

Here's where I was going with this is we've talked about you know

Everything in for the sake of progress in the interest of progress

The feel of a six speed transmission like a good think of uh

I a t6 transmission like a Tremac t6 or just like a very good classic six speed transmission

They don't need to reinvent it

Like there's not much more you can do with a manual, right? You see what i'm saying

Just put a get I can be done with it

Yes, use your existing transmissions that have already been made. You don't know how to invest in a new design

You don't have to invest in new tooling or supplier

m3

Just it's just put it in there

Why not

The reason is because customers probably expect some sort of progress. I don't I don't know they don't

It's a manual transmission. There's a beef in their burger. I don't care if everyone else wants turkey offer

Offer the just classic beef. It doesn't have to be a new reinvented beef

It's not an impossible burger Chris. It's just a standard

Damn beef cheese burger. Give me the 80 20

Six speed manual. That's all I want, right?

80 20 the the meat the meat the ratio of fat to beef the good one. Okay. Yeah

I thought that was a transmission code that I didn't know I was like the Tremac 80 20. What is that one?

Just give me the

People I dude, I guess their goal

Their goal is to sell cars

Right people are buying them

That makes sense. Unfortunately

That's just the way that it is. However, however, there's a cost associated. Damn it. We're heatedly agreeing again

There's a cost associated with marketing and image and brand, right?

How much are they spending on their brand agency and their advertising in-house?

What if they just funneled all that money back into just let's make let's make a handful of manual cars

That we can just really prop up and be like, look, we're still doing it. We still we're still here for the enthusiast

That would do so much more for signaling the brand than paying millions and millions and millions to an ad agency

Yo, you still have to pay millions and millions of dollars to the ad agency so that they can tell everybody how cool you are

Because you make the manual just now literally here's the thing all your billboards from here on out is just a stick shift

It's literally just the shift pattern

Of your manual car and it just says we still make manuals. That's literally all you have to do. You would sell so many damn cars

I think that they probably driving machine. What is it called the the ultimate driving machine the ultimate driving machine

I think issue is

I don't know that people buy cars for the same reason that they bought cars 30 years ago

So so that marketing doesn't even work. I don't think it works. I don't think do they use the tagline

the ultimate driving machine go to like f 150 versus uh

Silverado 1500 back in the day it used to used to watch a video

At a construction site and a and a bucket would go and it would dump a bunch of rocks into the truck

What's up on the room and it would say payload this much. Yeah, I remember this now it is it is

Quite honestly, it's just going to be videos of whatever lifestyle

That truck represents

Everything is about selling lifestyle so that you can virtue not even virtue you can

You can personality signal

Who you are and what you do based on what you drive and

To be fair

That's

Kind of what we all do when we modify our cars. Sure is we build them to

Be part of who we are and what we use them for

The problem is is that you have these companies that are doing the marketing for you and telling you

This is who you are drive this

So it's a little bit. It's a little bit backwards. I don't think this kind of marketing works anymore, man. I don't

I just looked up. I'm looking up BMW.com the BMW group to BMW USA

Nothing about

Driver, they're not using any taglines that talk about the driver at all period

None of it. So you're right. Unfortunately. It's just it doesn't sell

Anything just like Ferrari knows

Nobody's buying their cars because it has a singing v12 engine anymore

It's just

Just not where just just not where things are. No, I

I don't know. What does that leave? What does that leave us with chris?

Put the BMW engine in an old Mercedes, that's what it leaves with them

No, it basically I think that

Old cars are just becoming more and more precious to the people that want to be able to use them and drive the way that we want to actually drive

Yeah, I don't know the answer

That's it. I mean, that's that's what it is. You just find the cars you want to drive and use them

You're just gonna have to the problem is is these these things are all machines that wear out

Is miata still the answer chris? Maybe that's it. Miata was never the answer. Miata. I think is still the answer

I think that's what it means

No, yeah, that's not the answer. Why do you think there's like

Like low mileage e36 m3s, which are

Genuinely pretty terrible cars

Engines are I love the engine in this car. I truly do great and it's a great gearbox

However, the cars those cars were pieces of shit. The interiors were pieces of shit. They rusted out. They're not great

You get to find a nice one. They're like $20,000

$25,000 $30,000. Yeah. Yeah, you know why?

Because when you go to look at BMW's website, there's no mention of driving machines manual transmissions and captain

So I guess we're not gonna so many

Are

So here's the thing

exactly

Audi has revealed the new rs 5 and it replaces both the old rs 4 and rs 5

It's outie sports first plug-in hybrid performance car under the hood. Tell me if this excites you jake. You're an outie fan

I know you are. Yep. Okay. It's outie's first

Plug-in hybrid under the hood is a 2.9 liter twin turbo v6 with 503 horsepower

Um, which that's very outie, right? We had the well, it's the x2 seven thing

Yeah, but this motor was used in a lot of Porsche suvs for the last

This v6 thing years. Yeah, it's not new

Uh, it's paired with an electric motor inside the eight speed automatic adds another 174 horsepower

For a combined output of 630 horsepower zero to 60 in three and a half seconds

22 kilowatt hour battery good for dude. I can't wrap my mind around the battery thing

When someone says a battery has this many kilowatt hours. I don't know what okay

I don't know what you're saying might as well not say it might as well not say it's got

I just don't have enough of a

I haven't seen it enough times to make a comparison. I don't know what that means says it's good for 50 miles of electric range

Okay, 22 kilowatts not much

Not much

It's got a report the kilowatt hours per hour too like it's there's or amp hours. Yeah, it's not so easy

Is I know it's not much power for that hour, but it doesn't equate easily

To horsepower like horsepower is easy because it is just a metric that this means more power

This means less power right the problem with battery packs is you're also that'd be like saying it's a 400 horsepower

20 gallon car

You know what I mean because you're talking about not only power output, but also duration of power

Right, so how much can the battery pack last as well as how much power is it delivering?

Yep, my 9 11. It's uh, you know the it's gonna be a really

cool build with a

216 gallon

I'm gonna be able to drive 400 miles something like it doesn't make any sense

But you need to do it

Because it has to because it's the metric that everyone is concerned about when it comes to electric right now because it's range

Is range because it's such a pain in the ass to charge them, especially in the winter

But I think that is why it's so confusing

Well, yeah, it's just a metric that doesn't really make any sense yet because there's no standard really

I mean, there's a standard but 22 kilowatt hour. I see that. I don't know what that means

But because here's the problem

We have to look at it in terms of fuel economy, right?

So that 22 kilowatt hours is the gallons the the metric that I know I was trying to think of the

Yeah, like the 50 miles of electric range is the is the so you're getting 20 miles per gallon and you have a 20 gallon tank

So you're driving 400 miles

This I feel like there's a number missing. We've got a 22 kilowatt hour battery and we've got 50 miles of electric range

Uh-huh. We're missing a number

I can't figure out dude

Just it's just doesn't like the actual power output like the instantaneous torque is what we want to know, right?

I I guess yeah, we don't know what the what well, we do know it's 174 because you're right those two

Okay, so you do know all three, but it'd be like talking about your cars fuel mileage

How big the tank is and power, right? But we don't care because we can fill it up

Unpaper destroys the BMW m3 competition by 107 horsepower

It is more electric range than the amgc 63 hybrid by factor five

And they take underneath torque factoring rear axle center diff to to reduce understeer

Sounds like Audi finally figured out how to make quattro fun again

Here's the problem

Oh, what do you think the problem is Jake? You're not looking at this

It weighs no, I'm not but I'm gonna say it weighs 7,899 pounds

Here is the problem the rs5 sedans rs5 sedan. This is a sedan

Yeah

Okay, hold on. Let me let me let me tell you this first. Okay. That was my hyperbolic number by the way

I know it doesn't weigh that much. I said I was being hyperbolic

Yeah

V8 Ford f150 super cab 4x4 with a six and a half foot bed weighs 4,948 pounds

Do you know why they're all aluminum now, which is very interesting? Well, the the body panels are

Right the entire we we had this conversation. Didn't we in a parking lot? Yeah too long ago. Yeah, we were staring at

Yeah, anyways, so yeah v8 f150 super cab 4x4

Ways 5,000 for it. Yeah, okay rs5 stand

Yeah, yeah rs5 sedan

Ways 5,190 pounds. Yeah, but the font is 5,225 pounds

They weigh more than an f150 super cab 4x4

Yeah

It has gained 1,201,201,213 pounds

Over the outgoing rs4 font

It's 560 pounds heavier than the m3 competition

And 419 pounds heavier than the old v8 powered rs6, which was a bigger car on a bigger platform

battery in the electric motor

out for a thousand pounds though like what?

Well, we can't we don't know we we don't know what the break down

That's what i'm trying to figure out because it already had a wheel drive

It already had the same

Chassis style like what?

Besides a battery and the hybrid system like that is so much weight

The the rs5 joins the m5 which weighs 5,390 pounds. Yeah, that's right

Sports sedans that need commercial vehicle tires to survive their own

Wow, how heavy these things are unbelievable my 9-11 is half

Yep

Yeah

That's really what is there like a term we can come up with for these crazy because they're they claim to be sports

Saloons or like they're sports cars sports sedans

Is it like an obesity epidemic for sports sedans?

Like this is the obese

I don't think anybody walks in and goes. Yeah, how much is this thing way? Yeah, no one cares. You're right. Nobody nobody nobody cares

um

Because also no one is noticing if you went for a test drive

You or me would probably I mean they

Could probably tell but

The average person is not going to during their test drive figure out any

Like you're not going to feel the mass is my point the average person doesn't care and wouldn't be able to even tell you

A lot of the how much it weighs. Yeah

Nobody cares

Nope, so it's an impossible burger

But you don't know it so you don't care

Tastes tastes great to them

All right jake tell me about the drivers club

Oh

That's that's not it's not what is anymore

Uh, it is the drivers team

Is it officially the drivers team now chris? We got it. It's it's officially now the drivers team. We just gotta update the logos

Um, if you take a look mr. Producer pull that back up

We're doing things a little bit differently now

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Support over crest over crest productions.com forward slash

Oh, shit. I don't know what it is probably

No, that'll work over slash. Oh, shit. I don't know what it is will work chris the way I set the website that works

You're welcome. Yes. There's a link in the show

I

Report this show. There's guys. There's so many of you that support. I cannot thank you enough. Some of you guys

Awesome have been with us

Since the very beginning and maybe

Maybe you don't even check your credit card statements anymore

And that's why you don't alert them to it right now chris

There's some folks that I need to make a personal phone call to and I think that you know who you are

Um, yeah, and I think about you all the time every time I upload a drivers club episode. I see it

You know, I pay attention to who's joining who's leaving people leave. That's okay. People leave from time to time

I understand that you'd rather have a coffee once a month than support. Uh, me and shake that makes sense

Makes no sense whatsoever. It's it's worth noting though that that we notice we we do we do we notice

Um, I don't like I you know, I watch stuff on youtube where it's like, oh

This is our drivers company and it scrolls like 77,000 names by on the screen. I want to do that

I don't like it. I don't here's we used to kind of thank people publicly. Oh, this is so and so

Guys, I'm going to give you a meatball when you show up on the rally and you can flex

Yep, I think it's also worth noting. Thank you

It's I want to go in a little bit into why we changed the name from drivers club to drivers team

and

Here's the only thing I'll say about it is because this isn't a club

That you sign up to join and now you get to be part of the club

It is but it's more than that, you know, we saw on the discord just this morning

I don't know if you saw it or if it was yesterday

But someone was like this makes me so proud of what overcrest does because someone posted about the transmission they rebuilt

And another guy was FaceTiming them the previous night to go through it because you we literally are a team

You know, I don't want to say family because that's just cliche

But I think team is much more appropriate to what this community is

It's more than a club. It's

It's

A team of like-minded people as a community. So yes, it's a community. That is the best part of what overcrest is

Is this community that you're all a part of everybody?

That's listening and people that come on the events and the rallies and hang out on the discord and

um

Chat and send me text messages that dumb decisions. They're gonna do, you know, all that stuff

Is is fantastic. Um, so we always monitor the drivers club. We're always looking. We see when you join. We appreciate you

We see when you leave drivers team chris drivers team

And we see when you leave and and that's okay. We the support you've given us has been incredible

We really appreciate it. Yeah, I'm still kind of a jerk thing to do leave so you can get coffee or red bull or something like that

It's only five bucks

Um, but needless to say we do very much appreciate all of you. Okay. Speaking of monitoring

Jake, um, uh-oh, I was gonna say to be fair with inflation. You probably can't even buy that coffee anymore

True so true

I went to burger king yesterday and I got a whopper and a cheeseburger. It's so expensive. It was $20

Yeah, I don't like that guy that complains about our expense of everything is but holy smokes

All right, a new study is putting a spotlight on digital security hole that exists

This might be one of our our last stories here. Um, my laptop's gonna die

Um, a new study is putting a spotlight on digital security hole that exists in basically every car built since it was made model year

What is this? I don't know. Is this what we're talking about? I don't think so

Okay

No, that's not what we're talking about, but uh, it's the next one. Uh, mr. Cruiser's one story ahead of us. That's okay

Now that I know you have a video, I think that'll be fun amazing new studies putting spotlight on a digital security hole that exists

And basically every car built since the 2008 model year

It is not coming from some exotic infotainment hack. You are not going to believe this one jake

It is coming from your tire pressure monitors

Tire pressure monitoring systems have been mandatory on new cars in the united states since 2008

Uh, the problem is is that many of these sensors broadcast a unique id over a radio

With no meaningful security protections

Meaning that the cheap off-the-shelf radio gear those signals can be collected and used to identify and track a specific vehicle over time

The researchers describe it as a way to follow cars and learn movement patterns without needing to read license plates

Study claims the tracking piece is not theoretical

The team says a network of inexpensive receivers could quietly monitor traffic patterns in real world environments

Basically these seven unique id is otherwise you'd get you get little signals on your you'd get a flat tire from someone next to you

Right up in the car. So they're all unique

This is kind of dumb though because

If there's a network of these sensors everywhere that says oh

id 357932 he just went back again. So we know he's here going here to here

Or you could like we have to identify vehicles

There is publicly on every single vehicle by law an identification placard

So yeah, but you guys you can't use that

You can't use that. You can't use that. Sure. I can track people with that

I could yeah, I could set up a camera right outside my house here

And I could say all right now record every single plate number that went through and create a database

There's nothing illegal about that. I think I was at any different than this actually

Yeah, you need access to the state database for it to know you don't because this doesn't mean anything either chris

They're not associating id radio frequencies with actual owners. They're just saying

10% of all vehicles in this metro area across this line and then also across this line

So we're creating data of flow or something. What if I said I don't like either one?

I don't disagree, but it's also dumb

Because like it's dumb. I think it's dumb. It's no different than guess what your house has its number on it

People know what your house number is chris. Can you believe that?

I don't buy it his license plate on the yeah, it's like what what are you doing? Who cares?

Yes, that's out there in the world. It's always been out there in the world. What are you gonna do with it?

It's publicly available. There is a way to track you that

Is silly and should not exist and you should just drive an old car that doesn't have

My point of it is who cares. This is such a dumb like non invasive

thing

To me it's

Yeah, I agree

I agree. All right, let's move on

Sorry to burst your bubble on that one. No, that's okay. It's just we're just it's all just for discussion

A story out of china went viral after drivers said the car's driver moderates flagging him as drowsy

While he was fully awake including more than 20 warnings on a single trip

The basic allegation is simple

The in cabin camera system was using an eye openness as a proximity for alertness

Well, maybe he should stop swinting chris. Maybe he should stop

shake up

What that's a whole story smaller eyes

Closed similar complaints have been reported before including owners saying the systems confuse the natural shape of many asian eye openings with closed eyes

It lands as a funny clip until you zoom out and realize it is a quality and fairness problem

in safety systems that is spreading fast

And the reason this matters is that driver monitoring is not staying optional

In europe driver drowsiness and attention warning systems have been part of the e u general safety regulation roll out with the regulation becoming mandatory

And she'll have 22 and inquiries blah blah blah. So this is

The this is the singular and one reason why there should be diversity

On some of these teams

Because this is the exact same reason as the old adage

When they first came out with automatic soap dispensers in restrooms

The team that designed that do you know do you know this story chris?

I do not know this story

The team that designed them happened to be all white engineers in all the testing then they went out

And not a single person of color could activate the soap dispenser because it wouldn't sense wouldn't recognize any dark skin

And this is the exact same thing like how did they not think of this? How is this is a user interface problem?

This is really

This is something that should have been thought of

Yeah, it really especially since

Yeah, a lot of these cars are designed in in these places. Anyway, right. Yeah, I mean it's it's yeah, no and

it's

Just very like we can be culturally sensitive and say that this is really dumb

Why didn't they think that? Yeah, some people's eyes are shaped differently

Well, we all know this is this is coming

um

I don't know which part

Be fine. Yeah, what if you wear sunglasses? Hold on. What if you wear sunglasses?

Does it tell you to take your sunglasses off so it can read your face?

Excuse me every time glasses so that we can make sure you're awake

It probably uses infrared so it probably doesn't care that you have sunglasses on

I'm gonna guess because it has to be able to read at night too

So it's gonna be using infrared. Yeah, but infrared is not

Infrared doesn't go through glass

That's not

It doesn't no, I suppose it would just

It's literally just yeah light just different wavelength light

I'm sure they've got a way to do it. Otherwise it wouldn't really work at night either

Because then you could what if you wanted to wear your sunglasses at night?

Because your future is so bright

So bright. All right guys, that's it for today. Um, next week is what is next week? I think

Vin is coming on

Oh, nice

He's coming on to talk about everything. Uh, he started a car dealership apparently so we're gonna

Is it only?

Blue Ferraris with g37s

I don't think so seems like it supports stuff so far

But we're gonna quiz him on that and see how is his car dealership is going and what it's like to be a

content creator

In the world today

Uh, we will see you all then and uh in the meantime

overcrestproductions.com forward slash drivers club for now and uh support overcrest

We would really appreciate it in the meantime. Take care. Wait. I used your word in the meantime. I know I don't like it

I will see you all next week. Take care

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