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C.R.E.A.M. #76 - Edwin's New Car, Rogers Files Declassified and T50 Too Good?
C.R.E.A.M. #76 - Edwin's New Car, Rogers Files Declassified and T50 Too Good?
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About this episode
Edwin reveals his long-awaited purchase: a 2003 TVR Tuscan (ultra-green) with surprisingly complete history, then celebrates how it immediately “invaded his soul” once driven. The crew also covers “rule” updates: a declassified-feeling story about a Range Rover drive-shaft failure, Ben’s ongoing garage chaos, and a surprise video concept they tease but won’t explain. Later, they debate modern Ferrari “touch” buttons, Koenigsegg’s rumored IPO value, tuning culture fading, and whether the Gordon Murray T.50 is too clinical. The episode ends with a V5 ownership Q&A and a funny filming mishap.
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Car
TVR Tuscan
"The car behind me in question is a 2003 TVR Tuscan four litre in tropical green, ... It's quite green."
A TVR Tuscan is a British sports car. “Four litre” means the engine is about 4.0 liters, which helps define which version it is.
The TVR Tuscan is a British sports car known for its raw, analog driving feel and distinctive styling. The “four litre” refers to the engine displacement, which is part of how people identify the specific Tuscan variant.
Term
voxel color
"...in tropical green, which is a voxel color. It's quite green."
They’re describing the paint as having a super intense, vivid look—almost like it’s “made of pixels.” It’s more about how it looks than a technical paint spec.
“Voxel color” is a niche/enthusiast term used here to describe the paint’s look—like a highly saturated, almost “blocky” or pixelated color impression. It’s not a standard automotive industry color system, so the key takeaway is that the speaker means an extremely vivid, intense green.
Term
MX-5
"We drove. We wanted to drive cars that were the same price as an MX-5 brand new."
The MX-5 is a Mazda roadster (the Miata). They’re basically saying they wanted to compare cars that cost about the same as a brand-new MX-5.
“MX-5” is the common name for the Mazda MX-5 Miata, a lightweight, affordable roadster. In this context, the hosts are comparing budgets—what else you could buy to drive for roughly the same money as a new MX-5.
Company
CarVertical
"This episode is sponsored by CarVertical. We have to shout out the guys there."
CarVertical is a service that checks a car’s history for you. It can help you spot potential red flags when you can’t easily inspect the car or talk to the seller.
CarVertical is a vehicle history-report service. It’s used to help buyers understand a car’s background (such as reported incidents and ownership history), which is especially useful when purchasing at auction.
Concept
car at auction
"When you buy a car at auction, you obviously do not have any way of looking around it. Or you can't speak to the seller."
Auctions can be tricky because you often can’t fully check the car or talk to the seller. That’s why people use vehicle history reports to reduce the risk of surprises.
Buying a car at auction usually means you have limited time and limited access to the vehicle’s history and condition. That’s why tools that check vehicle history (like CarVertical) are valuable—especially when you can’t easily inspect or verify everything in person.
Concept
color desirability affecting resale value
"[347.8s] I'm still not sold on the color though. [349.8s] I love it. [350.4s] Obviously, the color you wanted is harder to find. [353.2s] They're probably worth more money. [354.2s] They're about double."
They’re saying the car’s color matters to buyers. If the exact color is rare, people may pay more for it.
The speakers connect paint color to market demand, noting that the “color you wanted” is harder to find and therefore worth more. This is a common collector-car dynamic: rare or highly desired factory colors can command a premium.
Term
chameleon blue
"[353.2s] They're probably worth more money. [354.2s] They're about double. [355.8s] A chameleon blue Tuscan because of the Americans. [358.5s] That's the color Americans want."
“Chameleon blue” is paint that looks like it changes color depending on the light. It’s usually a more expensive, eye-catching option.
“Chameleon blue” describes a color-shifting paint that can appear different shades depending on lighting and viewing angle. These specialty finishes often cost more and can strongly affect resale value because they’re visually distinctive.
Term
wrap
"It has to be the color. It can't be, it can't be a wrap that's like nearly it. You do get some really nice modern raps."
A wrap is like a big vinyl sticker that covers your car’s paint. It can change the color and style without repainting.
A vehicle wrap is a vinyl film applied over the car’s paint to change color, add graphics, or protect the surface. The speaker contrasts wraps that are “nearly it” versus matching the exact desired color.
Part
new steering wheel
"And I'm like, what about a cage? What about a new steering wheel?"
A “new steering wheel” is an upgrade to make the car easier and nicer to drive hard. It can improve grip and comfort, especially during track driving.
A “new steering wheel” is a common track-focused upgrade, often for better grip, reduced weight, and improved ergonomics during aggressive driving. Many track wheels also pair with quick-release hubs, which can change how quickly you can get in/out and how the wheel feels under load.
Part
drive shaft
"My car is at the pub. So the drive shaft fell out. Now, like I didn't it didn't snap it fell out."
The drive shaft is the part that sends power from the gearbox to the wheels. If it falls out or disconnects, the car may not be able to move under its own power.
A drive shaft transfers torque from the transmission to the differential/axles. If it comes loose or disconnects, the car can lose drive to the wheels and may become undrivable.
Car
Volkswagen Golf
"I love my golf. [1046.7s] And it was good for carrying camera gear around [1048.0s] and I had a nice pleasant journey home."
The Volkswagen Golf is a compact car that’s popular as a practical daily driver. In this context, it’s being praised for utility—carrying camera gear and making the trip home comfortable—rather than for outright performance.
Term
subframe
"So here's... It's a little bit crusty, but it's not... The subframe is not folding out of it."
The subframe is like the bike’s supporting “frame within the frame” that holds up the rear/seat area. If it’s not “folding out,” that means it doesn’t look bent or pulled out, which is important for safety and handling.
A subframe is the secondary frame structure that supports parts like the seat, tail section, and sometimes the rear suspension components. When someone says it’s “not folding out of it,” they’re checking that the subframe hasn’t bent or separated from the main chassis due to impact or corrosion.
Term
arches
"But I mean, the arches, I checked them. They look..."
The arches are the panels around the wheels. They’re a common place for rust because they collect road spray and salt, especially in winter.
“Arches” here refers to the wheel-arch areas (the body panels around the wheels) that trap water, salt, and debris—especially when a vehicle is ridden in winter. Those areas are common spots for rust because they’re exposed and hard to keep perfectly clean.
Term
rusty
"But I mean, the arches, I checked them. They look... Rusty. Crusty."
Rust is metal damage from moisture. They’re checking the wheel-arch area to see how bad the corrosion is and whether it’s getting worse.
Rust is corrosion of metal, often starting at exposed edges like wheel arches (“arches”) where water and road grime collect. The speaker is assessing the severity of corrosion on the bike’s bodywork/areas around the arches to judge whether it’s getting worse over time.
Concept
curb
"No, it just was resting against the curb. It was a precision manoeuvre."
A curb is the raised edge along the side of the road. If the car touches it, it can be a sign you’re cutting it close—especially with wheels and tires.
A curb is the raised edge at the side of the road. In driving terms, touching or resting against it can indicate how close the car is to the edge and whether the driver is being careful with clearance.
Term
wet
"It was really raining. It was wet. I'd say it was wet. It was very wet."
“Wet” road conditions significantly reduce tire-road friction, which can turn normal cornering/acceleration into a traction-limited situation. Drivers often need to reduce speed and be gentler with steering and throttle to avoid sliding or going off the road.
Term
tyres
"Also, may I say, what tyres were you on that day? [1493.0s] This was after. [1493.9s] This was after."
Tyres are the rubber parts that touch the road. When it’s raining, the right tyres (and how worn they are) make a big difference in how well the car sticks and stops.
“Tyres” are the rubber contact patches between your car and the road. In wet conditions, tyre choice and condition strongly affect grip, braking, and how confidently you can steer.
Concept
dailying it
"Also, you'd been dailying it at the time. I think when you do drive a car that you really like and you keep driving it your daily and you rely on it, you do start to lose something."
“Dailying” just means driving the car every day. The idea here is that if you use it constantly, it can start to feel less special.
“Dailying” means using a car as your everyday driver rather than saving it for weekends or special occasions. The host is describing how repeated use can make a car feel less exciting over time, even if you still like it.
Concept
dream car
"...it will be, it will be through the fuel, along with your first level dream car and wheels, first level dream car."
A “dream car” is the car someone really wants to own someday. It’s usually their favorite or most exciting option, even if they don’t have it yet.
A “dream car” is the specific vehicle someone wants most, often tied to personal goals like performance, style, or ownership experience. In car communities, it’s commonly used to describe a long-term wish list item.
Term
start button
"[2181.3s] I'll show you just so you have context. [2182.7s] Yes, please. [2183.1s] That's the start button now. [2184.2s] That's horrible."
A start button is the button you press to start the car. They’re saying the newer version looks bad and doesn’t feel right compared to the normal buttons.
A start button is the push-button used to start the engine, replacing a traditional key-based ignition. The speaker is criticizing the new/updated start-button interface as visually and ergonomically worse than the older layout.
Company
Koenigsegg
"So there's a, Koenigsegg might be going public. Wow. So explain by piece of it."
Koenigsegg is a car company that makes very high-end super/hypercars. Here, they’re talking about the company possibly becoming public, which means regular investors could buy shares.
Koenigsegg is a Swedish hypercar manufacturer known for high-performance engineering and limited production. In this segment, the discussion is about the company potentially going public, meaning shares would be traded on a stock market.
Brand
Audi
"I was going to say, like a BMW or an Audi must be, you know, 100 trillion scrillions."
Audi is a well-known car brand from Germany. They make comfortable cars, and many models are built for good traction in bad weather.
Audi is a major German automaker within the Volkswagen Group, famous for its Quattro all-wheel-drive system and upscale interiors. Here it’s mentioned alongside BMW as another “big” brand with enormous market value.
Brand
BMW
"I was going to say, like a BMW or an Audi must be, you know, 100 trillion scrillions."
BMW is a big car company from Germany. They make lots of popular luxury and performance cars.
BMW is a major German automaker known for performance-oriented cars and luxury models. In the episode, it’s used as an example of a “big” company with massive valuation.
Brand
Tesla
"The car manufacturer that is the most valuable on earth. On Tesla. Yeah."
Tesla is a company that makes electric cars. In this bit, they’re saying Tesla is the most valuable car company.
Tesla is an American electric-vehicle (EV) manufacturer that became one of the most valuable automakers globally. The episode uses Tesla as the punchline for “the car manufacturer that is the most valuable on earth.”
Brand
BYD
"Then you've got Toyota at 205 billion. You've got BYD at 107. Xiaomi at 80 billion, which I think make phones."
BYD is a big Chinese company that makes electric cars. It’s also known for making batteries, which helps it build EVs at scale.
BYD is a Chinese automaker and battery technology company that has grown rapidly in electric vehicles. When people cite BYD’s “value” or investment scale, it’s usually tied to its EV and battery manufacturing footprint.
Brand
Honda
"They also make a car. Honda at 65 billion. General Motors at 53 billion. Do you get the point?"
Honda is a well-known car company from Japan. It makes lots of cars, including hybrids, and it’s a big player in the global market.
Honda is a major Japanese automaker with a long history in both gas and hybrid vehicles. In discussions like this, Honda’s “worth” is often used as a proxy for how strong its business and future EV/hybrid strategy is.
Brand
General Motors
"Honda at 65 billion. General Motors at 53 billion. Do you get the point? Talk to me about the range that we're looking at."
General Motors, or GM, is a big U.S. car company. They make many different kinds of vehicles and are a major player worldwide.
General Motors (GM) is a large American automaker that competes globally across multiple vehicle segments. Mentioning GM alongside other automakers highlights how major legacy manufacturers are valued and positioned for the EV transition.
Brand
Porsche
"I'm going to go, I could do a Porsche. So, but Porsche is, there's going to be lots of other people you're going to have to bash heads with."
Porsche is a famous German sports-car company. People often choose it because it makes high-performance cars, and here it’s brought up as a brand someone might want to get involved with.
Porsche is a German sports-car brand known for performance-focused engineering and a strong enthusiast following. In this segment, it’s mentioned as a potential brand to invest in or “buy your way into” influence.
Term
exhausts
"So, you see like these exhausts that you're all developing. Put it in the bin. I just want, what I would like is a pipe that exits the cup."
Exhausts are the components that route engine gases out of the vehicle, and they strongly affect sound, backpressure, and sometimes performance. The speaker is reacting to exhaust designs being developed, specifically wanting a simpler, more direct-looking outlet.
Brand
AC Schnitzer
"So you would go for the well-known name brands, the AC Schnitzer body kit, the Alpina, or that's what the AMG."
AC Schnitzer is a German company that makes upgrade parts for cars. If you hear “AC Schnitzer body kit,” it usually means a more reputable, higher-quality aftermarket look/performance package.
AC Schnitzer is a well-known German aftermarket tuner that produces performance parts and body kits, especially for BMWs. When someone mentions an AC Schnitzer body kit, they’re usually talking about a higher-end, established option rather than a generic eBay-style kit.
Brand
Alpina
"So you would go for the well-known name brands, the AC Schnitzer body kit, the Alpina, or that's what the AMG."
Alpina is a German company that takes certain BMWs and turns them into special, higher-end versions. Their upgrades are usually considered more refined than basic aftermarket mods.
Alpina is a German automaker and tuner known for factory-like performance upgrades, typically based on BMW models. Their cars and parts are often viewed as more “premium” than typical aftermarket tuning.
Brand
AMG
"So you would go for the well-known name brands, the AC Schnitzer body kit, the Alpina, or that's what the AMG."
AMG is Mercedes-Benz’s performance brand. When people bring up AMG in a tuning discussion, they mean a well-known, established performance option.
AMG is Mercedes-Benz’s performance division, responsible for many of the brand’s high-performance engines and models. In the context of tuning, it’s being used as an example of a recognized “name brand” performance source.
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A wizard arrives precisely when he means to.
That's a euphemism.
You did catch on a Monday.
What?
All right, Garfields.
What are you talking about?
Like a bright...
Imagine this green, but blue.
Like a really quite vivid...
Look, I'm trying to say the shade, Ben.
All the listeners.
OK.
All the listeners.
It's a tough one.
Be honest.
Hello, and welcome back to the CREAM podcast.
The 76th Cars Rule Everything Around Me podcast with myself, Will.
Edwin, to my right.
And then Ben, before and after the camera.
Very nice.
That wasn't that lively, that hello.
No, that's better.
That's good for the audio listeners.
Now, the beginning of every podcast, as you know, we ask ourselves,
do cars rule or ruin everything around us?
Now, Edwin, would you like to address the bogey in the room?
Yes, Ben is unfortunately behind the camera.
No, if you are an audio listener, nothing is afoot to you.
If you are a visual viewer, there's something lurking behind us.
And what it is, is my new car.
I kept a secret.
You may notice in a couple of podcasts ago, I said, I'm bidding on a car.
I'm not telling you anything yet.
The car behind me in question is a 2003 TVR Tuscan four litre in tropical green,
which is a voxel color.
It's quite green.
It's really quite green.
It is ultra green.
Like imagine a green and make it more than that.
Yes, this is my new car.
I've wanted one of these.
This car, this TVR Tuscan has been invasive to my soul for,
it wouldn't be a year and a bit now.
So we drove.
We wanted to drive cars that were the same price as an MX-5 brand new.
What we would choose to drive instead of one of those.
We'll chose his old E92 M3 and I chose a car that since my childhood,
I've always dreamed about a TVR Tuscan in the correct sword
flesh blue as we've all come to know.
And driving that car since that day, it has been invasive to my soul.
There hasn't been a day that haven't thought about it.
The F the 550 is still, you know, ultimate dream car.
But I was so surprised by how much I love that Tuscan.
It was just incredible.
And I was keeping my eye on looking out for them.
An olive green one came up at auction a couple of weeks ago.
I went up, looked at it with a friend and didn't buy it because it was,
it was a lot of money and also I didn't feel it.
I didn't feel it didn't feel it right with me.
And then I saw coming up at an auction on a big, big NEC like classic car auction.
A TVR Tuscan coming up with a hundred and fifty one thousand miles on it.
That's a lot.
For context, if you don't know TVRs that well, making it to like thirties in
achievement, you've done well if you've got to like sort of medieval children.
So this one, one owner, one previous owner, it has like every service document.
I'm going to save some information for when we do the video on the second channel,
which will be coming in a few weeks, but the history of this car is incredible.
And I've driven 200 miles on it already.
I did a secret reveal.
Neither of these guys knew at all.
I was very upset.
When I came in on Monday, Will went, Tuscan, you win it?
I went, nah, I bottled it.
And I bought that.
I couldn't play with it.
I didn't bid high enough.
I didn't win it.
And we went on about the day and then Ben gave me a lift to a supposed
defender for my mate to get light to me.
And then when we opened the door, there was a Tuscan.
And so Ben knew that night.
And then the next day we went super car driver, which is another rule.
And I parked it up in the line of cars.
Again, you will see this in the video.
And I said to Ben, we won't say anything to Will.
Will turned up and went, is that that Tuscan?
Oh, stunned.
I was like, wow.
Like, I thought, actually, how sad.
Like how we just missed out on this Tuscan narrowly.
And then here it is rubbing it in your face.
And then the reveal happens.
Yeah, it's very worth watching the reveal.
It's quite good.
But I'm incredibly, incredibly happy.
Before we go into anything else, it is a rule for me.
This episode is sponsored by CarVertical.
We have to shout out the guys there.
When you buy a car at auction, you obviously do not have any way of looking around it.
Or you can't speak to the seller.
You don't have much to go off.
So there are many stones that aren't unturned.
So therefore I went to CarVertical, put the reg in, found the load out about this car.
This car has never had any crash damage.
Super rare for a Tuscan.
The mileage has got a low score because it goes,
this car isn't above average mileage for the sort of car,
which CarVertical you are bang on.
So obviously we always use CarVertical every single time we buy a car.
Obviously for auction, even better, if you're not going to see the car,
make sure you're doing the most research possible and make sure that CarVertical
is a part of that.
There's an auction car that I'm looking at.
I've also done that.
It's given me the registration.
It's given me MOT history.
It's given me options photos even from previous ads.
It can do all sorts of crash damage, assessment damage,
stuff that you aren't going to find elsewhere, basically.
Make a shout out to CarVertical.
Next time that you guys buy a car,
make sure you use R-Code cream for 20% off your next CarVertical report.
Plus, if you bundle them together, you can get up to 50% off.
So you can get a big discount next time you're buying a car.
Shout out.
So it's ultra.
Is it bigger?
Is it one of the biggest rules yet?
Yeah, absolutely.
By long way.
In the cream era.
I don't want to sound ungrateful or anything, but I bought it and I was a bit scared.
I was just scared.
I didn't feel anything towards it.
It was a bit frozen in the headlights.
And then when we drove it, after you and I drove back from SupercarDriver,
Will was in the glado.
I was in that.
I was like, this is the best purchase.
I think it nearly rivals the M3.
The M3 I chased for a very long time, whereas this is more of a recent one.
When I walked out to it to get from SupercarDriver,
I felt this feels special.
I'm still not sold on the color though.
I love it.
Obviously, the color you wanted is harder to find.
They're probably worth more money.
They're about double.
A chameleon blue Tuscan because of the Americans.
That's the color Americans want.
They know they're far more sought after.
I was offered one for 45 to 50 grand.
And that's a higher mileage car.
Not great paintwork.
And you're not near that.
Oh, no, no, no.
Less than half that.
This was the cheapest Tuscan in the country.
It does fulfill the wild color TBR.
Yeah, because you do get some of them.
You get them in white, you see a black one and they look quite smart
and they look quite nice because they are.
It's a pretty car anyway.
It's a TBR and thus it should be a wild color.
It needs to be.
And when we drove back in them, I mean, there was no missing us.
There really was no missing us.
Quite yellow Lamborghini and a bright green TBR.
Honestly, yeah, let's do another Subway gang.
We got the Eat Fresh gang.
And all John Deere.
It was John Deere?
You know, the police, they see these two coming.
They really do and hear them as well.
There was a, I came around the corner on Waze.
It said, there's a police camera car up ahead.
I came around and it was like a mile in the distance.
But I was like, I know who he's pointing this at.
I've got to slow this down because he is, he's going, right, I know who I know.
At first he went, Jesus Christ, I can't see anything.
And then he went, hang on, right there, they're not speeding.
But I would, depending, I'm already quite smitten by it.
And I kind of told myself it wouldn't be a flung term thing.
It would be something to own, enjoy and then move on.
But I'm already really quite smitten with it.
I would consider painting it all doing like peelable paint to make it.
But it needs to be that color.
It has to be sort of fish blue.
It can't be, it can't be a wrap that's like nearly it.
It has to be the color.
You do get some really nice modern raps.
Jay, the geographer who will bang on to us all the time about it.
It's like, you can machine polish them, but it is true.
Modern wraps are way better than old wraps where you can actually barely see their wrap.
So maybe that is an option.
Yeah, painting it's going to be a, it's going to be very expensive.
But the, it has to be the exact color.
I don't want something near.
Is that annoying me?
But yeah, I'm incredibly happy and incredibly excited.
Sorry for picking up so much time at the beginning of podcast, but I'm cool.
I'm, I'm very happy.
I was, I was gobsmacked the day on coming to supercar driver.
I was a little bit, Ben started filming immediately and part of me was like,
why is he filming now?
Why is he filming as soon as I get out of the car?
Got Edwin to give you the mic because I said to him, I was like,
if I walk up to you and hand you a mic, you know, I want to bake him back.
I've got to go for a wee.
I've got to have this, but I don't know.
I don't know why I was something wasn't up, but I didn't, I had no idea it would be that.
I was quite pleased.
The funny thing is the way that they lined everyone up, we got there really early.
So our car was like seventh in line, but of a row of about 50 to 100.
But then you turned up a little bit later.
So the 50 had already lined like filled out.
So they'd moved on to the next row and I was counting.
I was like, they're going to park him behind the TV on.
He's just going to know instantly.
It's going to ruin the surprise also because you got there like 8.15.
And you said, I said like, probably the 8.30 to 9.
I was like, why are they there early?
Why are they there so early?
What's preparing?
We didn't want to just kiss you early because you sometimes are driving in front of you.
So wow, sometimes you're like actually really early.
A wizard arrives precisely when he means to.
That's a euphemism.
So it is a rule for me by a very long shot.
William, you can't talk about much.
You're under NDA of your own variety.
I've got my own NDA going on.
I have, what can I say?
Something big is happening.
Something big is happening, but we're not sure.
There is like something wicked this way comes.
That's what exactly I was going to say.
Well, something, something...
But I don't know if it is actually coming this way.
Something wicked, but turn that W upside down.
I can see it on the horizon, but there are obstacles.
But there's been a big, well, you can't talk about it.
There's been a big update in your garage.
Something might be being sold.
I don't know what to tell you.
Would you like to talk about today's ruin though?
Oh, today is it?
So there was a rule.
This week was a rule.
And then there's a little bit of a mix after the big news today.
A car is being sold.
That will be revealed, whether it's happening probably next week.
The McGann.
You will never believe it.
I posted it on Instagram and the messages I got, people saying no.
There's no way.
He doesn't exist.
I got messages saying, claiming it was AI.
I got messages claiming I've bought another one, but the McGann is back.
He's done it and it works.
I've tested it.
I've done a little bit of testing.
Just to see if it works.
Doing some big breaking.
And it works.
And I did forget how much I like that car.
I did also forget how tight the seats are that I put in it.
And the sort of hour and a half drive back to the storage unit
really, really got on my hips, really did.
So the seats are too cold to really care because it's more of a track car anyway.
So I want to do some more bits and bobs on it.
But now I got into that.
I was like, I'll get it back and I'll leave it as is.
And I'm like, what about a cage?
What about a new steering wheel?
But so that was a rule.
Then there was the news of today.
And then this morning there was the Range Rover decided to serve its first L to me.
It might even be first ever.
Do you know what it could be?
It could be for the official L for me.
Yeah.
Because it's the first time it's broken down since I bought it.
October 2024, I think it was I bought it.
Never has it left me stranded anywhere.
And this morning, fortunately, four minutes from the unit, actually,
driving down the road, I hear, I think.
And then my rev needle just went to the moon.
So I came to a stop in a pub car park, which was quite lovely.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Early morning, I popped in.
Well, a couple of people did say that actually because I left my car there.
I rang Ben and said, please can you come and collect me from the pub
at 9 a.m. on a Tuesday morning.
I have a bit of a problem here.
You know, going home on a Monday night, just smashing out pints all night and then going,
right, someone picked me up.
And then a couple of people who came in today, obviously,
they will take similar routes in and they went, are you at the pub?
I was like, no, I'm not at the pub.
My car is at the pub.
So the drive shaft fell out.
Now, like I didn't it didn't snap it fell out.
Now this is this is really interesting to me because how does that happen?
That doesn't happen because like a famously you need to get
like a little bit more leverage just to get it out.
Yeah.
So how does that happen then?
So I don't think it has just fallen out.
I think there is probably something else that has led to that.
A broke arm or something in the hub or whatever.
Something has gone awry in there and pulled out my drive shaft.
So yeah, first actual, like I couldn't drive any further.
Nothing else has ever done that.
Which do you know what?
At any other time in your ownership, it could do that.
But right now is possibly the worst time.
Yeah, no, it could be.
Yeah.
No, I just don't want that if you could just work.
Like that would just be a couple of weeks.
You could just get by.
That's great.
So now I'm going to have to source another automobile, possibly the Clio,
to use every day until I can get that fixed because I don't want to fix it
because I don't like working on L322s.
It's terrible.
Understandable.
So it'll probably be the Clio as a bit of a daily for a while.
But overall rule or is it?
I'd say it's an overall rule that because I don't know the extent of the damage of the
Range Rover yet.
So it doesn't feel like a ruin.
Yeah, no, it's just something's happened.
So something's happening.
But I'm officially, I'm in the sort of foggy field right now in my brain.
I just don't know what's going on.
Okay, understandable.
There's things happening.
I just can't see it.
There's something in the fog.
There's something like vaguely yellow in the fog.
It's sort of light at the end of the tunnel.
Yeah, like yellowy light.
But I don't know how to get there.
Yeah, understandable.
Well, you work because of all your cars are gone.
So you have to walk.
After they walk, take ages, right?
Benjamin, I am a rule.
I don't have many updates really.
I've got...
There is one thing that's...
Something small.
Just that...
The golf's headlight is still not happy.
No, it wasn't that.
It was the food and fuel was coming up.
That will be on the 11th of April.
Is that right?
That's the one.
Got it in one M who runs the event.
Not Mr. Heritage.
Motion.
Mr. Motion.
How dare you use his...
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
How dare you use this name?
It'll be a big event.
And be very good.
We're going to be there.
It's going to be great.
And we're going to bring cars.
Well, this is where it kind of stems from,
because we said to Ben,
surely a little less 2,000 is coming out for that.
And Ben gave us the most uninfused response
I think I've ever heard from you.
He went, yeah, I could do.
You did catch him on Monday.
All right, Garfields.
What are you talking about?
I was having a moment of just like...
Don't speak to me before my Monday coffee.
We were having a planning meeting.
So I was in deep into spreadsheet,
trying to work out the schedule, that sort of stuff.
And then I get suddenly accosted
by all these people about my 2,000.
Say accosted.
Yeah, I would.
It was just a conversation.
It was...
To Ben, that is accosting.
Yeah, it usually is.
But we asked them, Ben was like, yeah, I don't know.
Maybe I'll bring it.
And I said to Em,
Em put them down as not bringing up.
Because she said, what cars are coming?
Because you needed to know
there is a secret car of ours that's coming.
Not the secret one from last year.
That's still having work done.
That's still a secret.
That's still a secret.
And there's another one that's even more secret.
It will be there.
The cremers know.
The true cremers have already connected the dots.
They've connected the brochure to my ride.
Yeah.
You know, they know what's coming.
But Em was like, what cars are you guys bringing?
And she went, Ben, you're bringing the S2000?
Ben went, yeah, maybe.
And we went, just put that down as a no.
Yeah, I'll bring it.
I'll bring it.
And then I still doubt it though.
And then a day later, he went, I'm bringing it.
It was after Supercar Driver, right?
I felt this fizz in you.
Yeah.
I have a photo.
You started to get bubbly.
You started to get gleeful.
Yeah.
I like cars.
Basically, you can get into me at this moment.
Well, I didn't have it in my mind that time.
And then.
Cars were gone.
Yeah.
I'm just trying to live.
Can I summarize where you were at that moment?
Go on.
On the Monday.
Ready?
We're now the Wednesday, basically.
Monday, I asked Ben what he thought of the S2000.
And he said, I haven't even thought about it for the last couple of months.
And that's where he was.
But then a Tuesday came around.
The sun was out.
The guns were out.
The cars were out.
Yeah.
Green and yellow boys were plowing around.
Subway.
And then where did your brain go then?
A Supercar Driver.
I mean, granted, these are Supercars.
So this bit next level.
S2000 fitted.
It's nice to see people with their cars and being part of that.
And you guys bought your cars.
And I felt I had fun with them.
That's what we said to you.
You said you wouldn't miss it.
Also, and we told you when the boys are out,
when everyone's got their things out.
And it's a sunny day and we've got somewhere to go,
you're going to go, well, I'm not going to jump the GTD, am I?
You're not going to be a pass-by princess.
I wouldn't have enjoyed the drive up and down in that car, to be fair.
Blue.
Blue.
A great, a great addition to the green and yellow landscape.
What country is that a flag of?
Blue, green, and yellow?
I don't know.
Gabon.
Is that Hungary?
No.
Gabon.
Okay.
I think that's possibly true.
But I'll continue what I was saying about it.
So, yeah, I had FOMO and I have this.
Bloody hell.
He's bloody dead.
Is it actually wild?
Is it actually?
That's incredible.
What country?
Gabon.
Gabon has pulled up and that is the green of the green.
That is perfect.
That's a thousand years.
And that's football.
That's playing, yeah, FIFA Ultimate.
Where is that?
That's a football.
Gabon.
It's Africa.
Yes, I think so.
Pierre Emerick or Bamyang.
There you go.
Oh, Bamyang.
No, I know that name.
Don't know why.
Sorry.
Off topic.
Carry on.
Play ball, as they say, in football.
Probably, yeah.
Yeah, kick it to me, that sort of stuff.
Um, the...
Oh, what was I saying?
You were saying...
Yes, deck pod screen here.
I sent it to you.
There is a photo I took at Supercar Driver of these two
in their cars as they were about to leave.
It was very cool.
And I was like, where's my car?
I love my golf.
And it was good for carrying camera gear around
and I had a nice pleasant journey home.
But in that moment, I thought, a little S2000.
Because also on Monday,
there was talk about selling the S2000.
Yeah, I didn't know that at all.
Well, because I was also saying,
we've achieved TDC dream cars level one.
Level one.
We've got the Gallardo, but not the big M.
Because we're not there yet.
We don't have that ever, you know.
Edwin's got the Tuscan, but not the 550.
And I've got an S2000, but not...
Well, this is another issue, Ben.
We'll get on to that, we'll get on to that, we'll get on to that.
Because Ben's dream car changes by the day now.
No, I've got it.
It's because a man who doesn't dream,
doesn't know what his dream car is.
Does make sense.
We're off topic.
Let's do the first thing first.
And we can get on to that.
Because we had a good conversation at lunch yesterday.
What was the original?
What were we talking about?
The S2000.
Car selling it.
And then we'll go over the place.
A man who thinks all the time.
Okay.
I'm not selling it.
Okay.
I don't want to sell it.
Done.
Stake it around.
Here's what happened.
We had the conversation.
And my mind was in work mode.
I was also quite sleepy.
Excuse me.
Excuse me.
No, I was just...
I didn't want to be the cost of cars.
I had to think about too many things.
I think about work stuff.
And then I was like, you know what?
I don't want to do cars.
Okay.
Then we discussed it more.
I thought about it.
I thought, I don't want to sell that guy.
Okay.
And then we went to Supercar Driver
and you had your cars.
And I thought, I'm not selling it.
I'm not leaving.
Nice.
And now I'm going to get it out.
At the car?
No, no, no.
At the car all the way.
We went today to get a car from storage.
We went in storage and I saw it in person.
And I thought, there is...
That's my boy.
That's going to be my car.
That is my car.
Yeah.
You do need to get it out.
I'm going to get it out.
I'm going to clean it.
I'm going to make it look nice.
I'm going to grab it.
Okay.
And in the winter...
And how about this?
I'm going to put it away again.
And that is when we're going to do rust.
We're going to do...
So we're not going to do that before summer?
I don't think we have time for that.
It's usable right now, right?
So here's...
It's a little bit crusty,
but it's not...
The subframe is not folding out of it.
No.
Well, it's not crusty.
It probably is.
As in, in comparison to most S1000s,
it is...
It would probably be a bit worse.
It was why I bought it because I drove it in the winter.
But I mean, the arches, I checked them.
They look...
Rusty.
Crusty.
Yeah, it was.
Yeah, they're scabby.
They're pretty similar to what they were when we did the videos.
They haven't got crazy worse.
It feels a bit silly to put it away during summer
when it's not only driven in the soul.
Agreed.
Agreed.
And then in the winter when it...
I've almost decided now in the winter it is going away.
I didn't like the attitude of like,
I'm putting my car away to sleep for six months.
But actually, I'm doing that because...
Also, you want...
There's a couple of things...
You're an old man.
Yeah.
There's a couple of things you want to add
that you feel like that's possibly the reason.
Not that you haven't bonded with it,
but little things that...
I haven't bonded with it at all.
We can do these...
But you've had...
A mistake was made.
Redacted.
Can't talk about that.
I'll talk about it.
That happened.
What?
Whoa!
No, no, no.
Not that.
I won't talk about that.
I'll talk about...
I'll gloss over it briefly, but I will admit to it.
What was that, then?
Let's talk about it.
The thing about...
Let's get it out there.
Is this the one where we talk about it?
Yeah.
Let's do that, then.
Look.
I bought the car and I love the car.
The TVR is going to take up...
Most people are going to gloss over your story.
They'll be looking at TVR.
Well, because also it's probably in your future with the TVR.
Oh, absolutely.
So...
Nearly happened this morning.
The...
I bought the car.
Very pleased.
I've wanted one for a long time.
I was very happy.
We did the episode on the mods.
And I think you remember me saying,
it went off to Evolution Works to do bushes and all other stuff for a while.
And I kept saying, I just want my car.
I want to drive my car.
I want to enjoy it.
Got it.
I got it in probably the start of November when I was back working.
Then I saw this, the X5 and then I dated it.
So I never enjoyed it.
I drove it in the rain.
I drove it over Christmas.
I then...
The unjoliest time of the year.
Actually, that was the first time I have enjoyed it.
It was on Christmas day.
I drove it in the sunshine.
Santa brought you some Advan Miova tires.
But the tire thing happened where it ate its own tire.
And also the fitment on it now is quite atrocious because of the stretch tires.
You're circling the drain.
So all these things happened and on top of that, the oil happened.
No, they're still not there.
Let's wait till it was tough for me.
Still not there.
It just feels like a politician.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
We will.
And also what are your policies?
Well, let me tell you about my wife and children.
We were in December on the way back from a welder for the golf,
getting the seats sorted out.
And I left a junction with haste.
I don't think it really was with haste, which makes it worse.
I left a junction and the camera of the road just sort of changed.
The road fell away.
So may I present my vision?
Yeah.
Okay.
So this was before the ML.
Was it?
Yeah, it was the ML.
Can I say something about it quickly?
I've actually thought this through.
I said smoking often every day.
Actually, one of the toughest moments of my entire life.
I think the most humbling experience in my life.
Oh, humbling, no.
One of the most embarrassing.
And I still wouldn't smile thinking about it.
So we left the welder.
Will first in the CL500.
God rest its soul.
So he just disappeared.
He will just went.
I was towing the trailer with the golf on it and I was behind Ben.
Ben and I kind of left at the same time.
And coming up to you, there's like a little mini roundabout that goes right.
If you know redding, you'll kind of know where this is.
What's coming?
She's to be there.
Little mini roundabout going up a tiny hill and then you go left onto a big,
long dual carriageway, multiple lanes, three lanes.
And it was green light and Ben had kind of shot forward a little bit.
So he was out on my eye line.
And as I came up the little hill and turned left onto the junction,
what I saw was a Honduras 2000 pirouetting gracefully from lane one to lane three.
And coming to a rest, millimeters from the edge of the curb.
It didn't hit it.
The tyre was just kissing the edge.
Now this wasn't the way we had because it never touched anything.
It did because I was watching from behind.
It never touched anything.
It was just...
Because if it touched, I would have crashed.
I haven't crashed.
No, it just was resting against the curb.
It was a precision manoeuvre.
And I'd had the car back for a week, two weeks.
Like I was sorted.
And I spent a good amount of money getting all the expansion stuff set up.
And we'd obviously done the video and whatever.
So it had some money spent on it.
And as it happened, all I thought...
I didn't actually react that much to be fair.
All I thought was, that's it.
Is it nice to get that out in the open?
No, horrible.
No, it's still redacted then, no.
But what mistakes get made?
That's your first thought.
Well, let me also...
Let me preface to the context of it as well.
Can I ask one question?
Was it the heat of passion?
Well then...
That's what that was my main issue of it.
I wasn't even being passionate.
So not even mistakes were made then?
So the thing that happened was is that...
The way this junction is set up is it kind of goes...
If we look at the architecture of the junction,
I think there's a mistake in the road building here.
Don't you want to discuss how it happened?
Yeah, go on, please.
The way that that road goes is it's like a lane,
there's a little roundabout, and that goes on to the dual carriageway.
They describe roads.
No, but you go from the roundabout sort of up,
and then you go left on the dual carriageway.
And the dual carriageway is on a hill,
so the dual carriageway tilts to the right a little bit.
And that is actually what got me.
So you fell off the road?
Yeah.
Come off the map.
I don't have a lot of heart yet.
So no, I went into it,
and it was also tipping it down to be fair.
It was really raining.
It was wet.
I'd say it was wet.
It was very wet.
I wouldn't say it was...
I wouldn't say the raindrops were big.
If we use that...
It was raining a lot.
It was raining a lot.
Do you know what?
I can go back into the archive,
I can find the footage of the golf being put into the workshop,
and I can show you how wet it was.
I think you'll find a sort of average rainy day.
It was very wet.
Also, may I say, what tyres were you on that day?
This was after.
This was after.
You were on.
I was on normal.
You were sufficiently tired.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You were just, you know...
You were driving a car on the road.
Would you say a mistake made?
We may stretch tyres on two degrees of camera.
It feels like you're trying to escape.
I'm trying to explain what happened.
Do you think a mistake was made?
Yeah, 100%.
Okay, cool.
I went left on the...
Was it all a mistake or the roads?
It was...
No, I said this at the time.
I won't deny this.
It was...
I don't think it was my fault to make it happen.
What was my fault was the degree of how bad it ended up being.
Okay.
That was my fault.
I happily admit that.
Now...
Because I didn't do a clutch kick.
I didn't go into it.
I went left into the corner, and on a dry day,
you're just going around the corner.
Do you know what?
On a wet day...
I was once told this by a...
You won't be a fan of him because he's a doctor,
but a very classic piece of information
is you have to turn right to go left.
That is a guy called Doc Hudson,
who's a very famous racer.
Oh, yeah.
What?
No, that's actually a thing.
Okay.
I went left, and basically...
I went left.
Not...
I didn't do a clutch kick, didn't try to do a skid.
I just went into it a little bit too aggressively,
and my arse got loose.
Fell off.
Got very loose, and I thought,
that's okay.
Well, I'm telling you, I'm going left.
My arse is trying to take me too far left.
I'll just correct.
I'll go right.
What happens with that, I've learnt, is that the car went...
So, I was going left, and I thought,
I'm going to now hit the left-hand side.
I'm going to spin out and hit the left-hand side,
and I was like, that's tough.
And as I saw the left-hand side coming around to meet me,
and the car went, oh, we're going left, are we?
Oh, no, we're going right, actually, quite aggressively,
and I went very right.
At what point did you bang it into second,
and fall flat on the floor?
No, I just didn't.
I don't know how to react to that.
So, at that point, it was done.
Did you see that twisty road sign?
The worst part was, I was a little humbling.
Was Edwin behind me?
Edwin behind me, and then the fact that, because it was...
Thank God that it was like a red light on the other side,
because I would have had a crash.
And there was no one else around, right?
No, no one was there.
And actually, it sounds half funny.
I wasn't being an idiot.
I wasn't being stupid.
I just messed up.
In a car that isn't to be fair,
and the Taurus 4 spinning out with no...
By themselves, yeah.
They are the Taurus for snapper to stay stuff.
I think they are, but sort of on the ragged edge type.
Yeah, you have to be not coming off around about.
But I think that was...
There's not just old people who bought one new,
and they go round and round and round and go,
well, I just fell off the road, didn't I?
But that's the thing there, isn't it?
Nan's dead, isn't she?
Yeah, she fell off, isn't she?
S2000, same thing happened to mine.
For some reason, you're round about.
She just fell off the road.
You're painting the picture as if I've gone around the corner.
I wasn't speeding, to be fair.
Oh!
I wasn't going that quickly.
It was wet, and the car doesn't like it.
Also, it's already...
It's S2000.
They're already known for it.
And especially an early one, like the one I have.
And also, remember, my entire rear end is polybushed,
and also on BC's.
You are.
You know what?
The fact that you were fastest at the trackbait now makes sense.
Yeah, because these excuses...
This is a racing driver's excuse.
You are in the wrong career, buddy.
There was a bit of like a misfire there.
Yeah, you know, it's not on the team of,
let me down here.
Not what I'm saying.
The car's not fast.
All I am saying to you...
A bad workman blames his S2000.
That isn't what I'm saying.
Let me just speak without interrupting for just 30 seconds.
Silence.
All right, go on.
30 seconds.
A car that is already notoriously known for being stiff
and therefore losing the arse end of it
with an unexperienced driver in the wet
is going to probably end up being a little bit silly,
which is what happened.
But that's the thing is that that's what...
Also, I said to Edwin,
and this is what annoyed me,
is the fact that it wasn't...
It would have been almost better if I had been on the edge,
because then you're like,
Oh, I lost it on the edge.
I was just driving home, just driving a car.
So you lost a little bit of confidence in driving it.
Oh, 100%.
And then obviously...
I have no confidence in driving it.
Also, you'd been dailying it at the time.
I think when you do drive a car that you really like
and you keep driving it your daily and you rely on it,
you do start to lose something.
It loses some of its fizz in its special...
Also, it's not special at all to me right now.
It's a car.
That's what I mean, but I think what you need
is to get it back on a nice sunny day.
Give it a clean.
Clean can reset lots of things.
I won't clean it.
Give it...
Oh, I don't like clean cars.
No, but that's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying the act of cleaning it almost...
Because even with the Range Rover,
I see it, it gets all muddy and like,
I don't like this car.
That's boring.
And then I clean it and I go,
well, look at that guy there.
It's the result.
It's looking at that guy.
Looking at the clean car and going...
Yes.
It's clean it and then get your exhaust mod.
That's what you want to do.
It has to be the exhaust mod.
Because that's what you're missing at the moment is.
You're missing that.
No noise.
You're not getting the fizz from it
because it doesn't do fizzy things.
It hasn't...
Like your intake's not that loud.
Your exhaust is basically silent.
You need something to excite you.
You've gone for the Phantom No Bubbles thing
that you can get, which is always disappointing.
You don't want that.
You want some bubbles.
You want some fizz.
Don't know what that means.
But yeah, that makes sense.
So there we have it.
Some declassified document.
Documents from the Rogers files.
That's the long last.
Can't wait for all the comments telling me
that I'm an idiot.
That's not good.
I've done a job.
I think they'll agree with you.
Also, you've all done it.
Exactly.
If you're into cars, you've all done it.
You've done it.
And to be fair, that's the one thing that I will say.
Ben's back on me offensive.
He's going, you know,
no, no, no.
I think they'll like me more, Ben.
No, you know what?
You know what?
I hate all of you.
Shout out.
I got abused for it from everyone here.
Also, people that I didn't even know knew.
I don't think it's abuse.
I call it light hearted banter.
I call it fog based japery.
Yeah. A lot of japery people and even on stage at the
Christmas meet happened.
Well, that wasn't us.
That is an auto Alex classic.
If you put them on for a stage,
he's going to go for that throat.
He's going to say, come up here.
Well, can't do that on the stage.
But that happened.
But to be fair, one thing that this surprised me
was that the amount of people who have messaged me,
to be fair, after that, who were at the event who meshed me,
and also,
Who said you idiot.
Yeah, fair.
And also a lot of like the guys who work here who said,
I've done it.
I stand this car.
I stand that car.
That's what we shared with you on the,
I believe when we shared it on the podcast where you wouldn't
tell us, we said, we've been there.
We've done it.
We've made those mistakes.
Ben, as someone who is an enthusiast of a loose rear end,
I can tell you, I've seen,
I've seen more oncoming traffic on roundabouts than most people.
It happens.
XP points were just going up.
Yeah, at least you're doing something interesting.
I was getting the, what's it called,
when you slide through sideways in a crash breaker,
basically, into it.
That's what I got.
Yeah.
So that was good.
And then, so now, now the decision I have with it is basically,
it doesn't, it doesn't need a chain.
I've been advised it should have a chain and a tensioner,
or at least a tensioner,
but there is actually no rattle if you put oil in it.
And it sounds fine.
I've driven it actually a few hundred miles since and it was fine.
The thing that I have has put me off is there is a,
it's called a collet, maybe.
Yes, the valve seat.
Hold your valve in.
And on early AP ones like I have, they crack.
And if they crack big style, then they die and they drop a valve.
It's also Wayne Rooney's wife.
She's named after F-22.
Yeah, that's the one.
She developed it.
So there's that many he's doing,
but then I also, my other thing was, is that
that needs to be done as a preventative thing.
But you know, I'm not going to drive that much of a summer.
Hey, you'll be fine over summer.
And this is going to be tough.
Let's keep rolling those dice.
Yeah, it's a risk to take.
You could drive down.
Do the shoulders feel a little bit lighter?
No, not to actually really regret making it.
I think what he's done is put a backpack on full of concrete instead.
Yeah, my neck already feels tighter.
With a little sign on it that says, kick me.
Anyway, shall we rule or ruin?
Yeah, I don't know.
At the end of that.
It kind of felt like I'm doing, I'll be honest.
No, because that was months ago.
A rule, because I'm getting their stars now.
That's a three-way rule.
And it will be, it will be through the fuel,
along with your first level dream car
and wheels, first level dream car.
Well, yeah.
So shout out.
See you at, on the 11th at food and fuel,
bister motion.
See your creamers there.
As always, we like hearing.
We had, we had a few at Supercar Driver,
someone said, man, next to me in the lunch line,
just leaned over and said, I'm a creamer, by the way.
And I watched the guy behind me look quite confused.
So big shout out to that.
See you then.
Three rules all around.
Yeah, that's very good.
What should we get?
It's also, it's, I was about to say,
it's quite weird meeting some people
who are creamers or they're TDC viewers.
And then they, they happen to own something incredibly cool.
We had a guy come over who says, I love the channel.
He was, could be, I can't remember.
I'm not going to say where he's from.
He told me where he came from.
Cologne.
Cologne is where he came from.
I'm not going to say where he's from.
He's free of it.
No, because I couldn't remember.
I didn't want to go, I was some Austrian fella or something.
My name is Walter Hardwell White.
So he came from Cologne, specifically for the event.
Because he was like, yeah, I'm just running a,
there was an Edo competition, a 911 cup car.
I was like, oh, okay.
No, I watched the, I watched the channel all the time.
I love it. It's amazing.
Same at a man with a CLK black series.
Yeah.
Crazy.
What's going on?
So we do things and should we talk about things?
Do we have things to talk about?
We've got things and the things that you've put in.
So let's hope that you know them.
Shall we start with you?
Shall we try it?
Try it.
Let's see what happens.
Okay, let's see what happens.
Let's see what happens.
Let's see what happens.
You know what, Ben's in a flippant mood now.
Okay, Ferrari will retrofit real buttons.
Yes.
You know, Ferrari don't have real buttons anymore.
Yeah.
Well, they'll retrofit and you won't see.
Oh, God.
Now, tell me, will they be sticky?
Well, if they are, we can get them fixed.
Only if left for like 20 years.
So if you don't know, Ferrari have,
Ferrari quite literally have a subsection of the market
of people that just rebuild the buttons in Ferraris
because they have like a coating on them that over time
goes gooey and sticky.
And so there are people out there that redo the buttons on Ferraris.
So is that Ferrari going, oh, by switching over to
electronic tablets and things, we're getting rid of our,
you know, those people who are out of business.
They've been living on our bad products.
Let's get those going again.
Now, Ben, makes buttons sticky again.
I'm going to assume you don't know this.
I do.
Okay, please carry on.
What cars?
Yeah.
Right.
12s.
12th slingery.
A lot of the current Ferraris have a steering wheel.
You don't know.
No way.
No way.
That's not possible.
No, I don't.
Use your feet to stay like a plane.
The, they have a steering wheel which has lots of touch sensitive buttons.
The start stop button is now in the middle of it.
And it's just touch sensitive.
Oh, okay.
And wait, wait, wait, wait.
It's in to start the car.
In the, you know, so imagine, imagine a steering wheel.
No, we can't.
You know, like a three spoke steering wheel.
The bomb spoke.
Got it.
Just above that is like a thing.
Oh yeah.
It's in the middle of the sort of the middle.
We have no TV today.
But it's touch sensitive to start the car.
It's like a screen, technically.
Yeah.
And he will like that.
So they've, they've.
That's horrible.
They've basically just said, we will retrofit for you.
Actual buttons.
So for, I can't remember which ones they are.
We can put them on screen.
I'm assuming that is a money.
So 12.
So you said like 12-cylinder is definitely one of them.
12-cylinder, whatever the current newer ones.
Current, I don't, is it 296?
Do you think that's making them still?
And then those ones there, they're doing.
A Malfi, that may, may probably not.
Yeah, it would be the Malfi.
Okay.
There's current one.
And then Prosangue.
Prosangue.
I think Prosangue was the first one to have them.
I'm just going to pull up the actual article.
Please after you.
But it must mean enough people are asking for real buttons,
for Ferrari to come out and go,
Yeah, actually we will put buttons back there.
Yeah.
Like that.
I wouldn't expect that of modern Ferrari.
But also to retrofit it.
Yeah.
It's not like, you know, when the Marquette Golf came out
and everyone went, what are you doing?
And they went, we'll just facelift it.
Yeah.
And then they sort of fix it on the facelift.
They haven't done that with these Fridays.
They've gone, oh, actually we kind of messed up so bad,
or we've got enough demand from this.
We go, we'll just retrofit it for you.
We're going to send a man to rebuild you some buttons
in the factory.
He's been taken off bad styling,
and he's been put on buttons.
Old Ferrari owners going, does this mean us too?
Do we get new buttons as well?
Yeah, Ferrari 360 owners.
So, we're going to get a new one.
I'll show you, obviously we,
I'll show you just so you have context.
Yes, please.
That's the start button now.
That's horrible.
You see that there?
Where it's like a little screen.
Like a, like a think pad.
Wow.
Yeah.
He's got a little button in the middle of the red one.
What it will go to is this,
which has actual normal buttons,
where you'd expect them to be,
where your thumbs are.
Oh, okay.
And it has a start-stop button.
And on the right, it has like a 458.
Yeah.
It looks like a Ferrari.
Imagine a Ferrari.
Okay.
But definitely better.
And I think it's nice to actually listening to two people.
And it's not just, it's not just.
I wonder where that feedback comes from,
whether it's from actual buyers,
or if it's from dealers saying,
no, this person didn't like,
keeps asking me if they can spec it with an actual button.
Because that's part of the fanfare.
Like even in your S2000,
if that has, you put the key in the ignition,
you turn the ignition on,
but the last step to turn the starter over
is a red button on the dancing click.
Yeah. And it goes,
every time.
Oh, you won the car.
The car just always starts very slowly.
But that, if there's a,
there's a sense of occasion to it.
If you're like,
ooh, if you're buying a Ferrari,
you want that.
You want that.
Like you said,
we were looking at Aventadors around Supercar Driver,
the flick up, the little,
you know, it's like plastic.
Yeah, but still, it's not very nice.
It's not very nice.
It's like a pilot S.
You flick a red switch up,
and you click a button.
Give me a little bit of theatre.
Just a little bit of theatre, please.
Please, can we get a bit of pantomime going?
He's behind you.
Ben, more news from you.
I'm afraid there are three news in a row from you,
so I'm going to need you to be on the ball.
Easy.
Koenigsegg on our way,
$1 billion company.
Yeah, I saw this.
So there's a,
Koenigsegg might be going public.
Wow.
So explain by piece of it.
Explain.
So they will be going public
as a publicly traded company on the stock market.
Right.
So they are doing an IPO,
which is an initial public offering.
Which basically they say,
this company is worth this much.
Get it while you can.
Basically, it's a step right up,
step right up.
Come get a piece of Koenigsegg.
So up until that point,
Koenigsegg has been completely privately owned
just one man by Christian himself.
It's now being floated publicly as a business
that you can buy shares of and stocks of.
So it's interesting because Koenigsegg being a billion dollars
is kind of a crazy number.
Now, I'm not on a fine text,
but I don't know.
But it feels, I looked up other calm makers
that are worth about a billion,
and I'll find it now.
Okay.
How much of it are you buying, Ben?
95 are you going to buy the whole thing?
How much are you owed once other people start buying?
Why?
Because you were already in there.
Of course, yeah.
You mean Mr. C.V.K. himself?
Yeah, that's the one I could tell by the hair.
B.V.K.
So they've already sold a 6% stake
in it last year for 58 million,
which puts the value about a billion.
Yeah.
Okay.
So they haven't, this isn't official.
They haven't announced it is going public.
But if it goes public at a billion,
that means that it is worth more
than some car manufacturers.
Who are they?
I'm going to assume some of the real big ones
are worth many billions.
Yeah.
I was going to say, like a BMW or an Audi
must be, you know, 100 trillion scrillions.
I reckon it's the small ones.
I reckon there's some small car companies.
I reckon like TVR has got to be about bills.
So, I mean, while the man buying TVR,
number one, I'll give you like half a Coke
and I've got like 40 quid in the car.
We've got an old factory.
Number one, who is it?
Roll.
Is it Rolls Royce?
No, who is it?
The car manufacturer that is the most valuable on earth.
On Tesla.
Yeah.
What is it?
608.
100 billion.
One trillion.
Of course.
One trillion dollars.
Because they're a technology company.
They're not actually spending arms on it.
Then you've got Toyota at 205 billion.
You've got BYD at 107.
Xiaomi at 80 billion, which I think make phones.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
They also make a car.
Honda at 65 billion.
General Motors at 53 billion.
Do you get the point?
Talk to me about the range that we're looking at.
So, we're going down to BMW of 41 billion Volkswagen.
But these are making, you know, we're making
millions of cars.
Billions in some cases.
Don't know.
Not true.
That is, you've heard it here first.
We're looking at car brands like Polestar.
Okay.
You see a lot of Polestar everywhere.
1.15 billion currently.
All right.
Mitsubishi is worth two.
What?
I would expect, I guess they're not doing anything at the moment.
Lotus.
620.
Billion.
Million.
Aston Martin, 370 million.
Wow.
These are obviously, obviously is volatile.
So, it could change overnight.
Can you just buy Aston Martin?
So, we can just start getting cool stuff.
Sorry.
Aston Martin is 370 million.
That feels like a great deal.
I advise all the billionaire creamers listening.
Go get yourself an Aston Martin.
Get yourself one.
I could buy, you could buy five.
That also, also.
That's not how they are.
Do you know what?
From 2019 to now, it's a tough graph to look at.
What's that?
I'll show you.
Okay.
It's just going, imagine a staircase going to the right,
just going down.
But you're sort of progressively falling down.
It's, it went from 4 billion at the top valuation down
to what is now.
I don't know anything about the financing.
We are not financial advices that's exact.
Don't buy, don't buy us.
No.
We are not financial advices, can you say?
Does that mean that, that means I can do that?
Yeah, you can buy.
You could have like a share.
You can become a shareholder.
How much?
I don't know how much a share would be.
Okay.
So, I might look at that.
I just want that and then I could go, come on.
Give me, give me.
Where's my piece of the pie?
You can call it, where's my old era?
Christian, as a shareholder,
I can't say I'm that happy with the products at the moment.
I think we could look to do it and he'll say,
how much do you own?
You go about 11 quid?
So, and you know, I do own a fair bit of the company
and I haven't received my car yet.
And I heard there's like a bonus scheme here.
I'll just take a CCX.
Don't worry about it.
So, basically the current process, it's all, it's rumors.
I'll ask you.
KSA.
It's not official news, but they have said that they've had people,
they've been like bankers going to there to like value it,
that sort of thing.
But considering they make, I don't know how many,
it's like 30 cars a year or something.
And my Aston Martin are pumping out cars.
At least 31.
Also, they've got James Bond on board.
Yeah.
He works there as an advisor, doesn't he?
We, you know, he's got to do, yeah.
Ben, you are a billionaire, of course.
I'm not doing like a, this isn't some sort of-
Why are we just making statements?
Put yourself in the place.
I'm just saying, you know, what car brand do you try and buy your way into,
to, you know, get yourself on the board?
Well, obviously you'd be on the board, but you know what I mean?
Try and get yourself making decisions and that sort of thing.
I own it, but I'm not on the board.
How much can I buy?
A 51% share.
So, I've got controlling majority.
Okay.
Where are you putting your money?
Do you know what?
I'm going, I'm looking at this now.
I'm going to go, I could do a Porsche.
So, but Porsche is, there's going to be lots of other people you're going to have to bash heads with.
Whereas if you get in with Koenigsegg on a real big investment level,
it could be you and CVK against the world building gearboxes out of cheese and stuff.
It's like crazy stuff.
Koenigsegg could be a good one.
Aston Martin, to be fair, after knowing how much it's worth.
Yeah.
Because also, they're making some cool stuff.
This is what I'm saying.
And for just 620 million pounds, you can own it.
Why is it doubled?
It was, you said it was 375 a minute ago.
I don't trust you at all.
I'll tell you what, their stock is just doubled.
On the podcast.
Whoever just invested on the podcast, just 2x their investment.
Sorry, 370.
That's, that's will.
So, half of that, it's a piece of pie.
Who would you invest in to try and get yourself like,
I don't know, I don't know.
Lamborghini, I'd have another go at.
I'm getting there and start, can you just start?
Like, can we go again?
Can we start making them again?
Please let me.
We're basically going in there and they're going right.
So, this is all like our cutting edge R&D department.
And you go, shut it down.
Shut it down, get Valentino Balboni in.
We don't want any of that.
So, you want to work on like a farm.
Preferably.
So, you see like these exhausts that you're all developing.
Put it in the bin.
I just want, what I would like is a pipe that exits the cup.
And, and then if you can make it make as many flames as physically possible.
This is...
Sir, there's, there's regulations that I do not care.
I've brought in a new development team.
They're called Gin Tami.
They're going to help you with the...
Gin Tami will join you in the exhaust department.
Just for context, Lamborghini is part of VW.
So, and it's, I believe it is a, it's not publicly listed.
Not sure.
I don't think, but, but a brief research says that as of 2023, it was 21.7 billion.
So, you can buy into that.
So, I'm, yeah, I'm a way off.
So, you got, you got, you got to raise over 11 billion roughly.
To try and get your foot in the door.
I've done that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Silence deal.
Couple...
Yes.
I reckon a good balloon payment and a solid sort of 27 years.
Once the, once the Range Rover's fixed, you stick that up sale and you got some...
Yeah, that should get me at least probably not even a percent.
Edwin, talk to me.
Crazy.
Well, yeah.
I, what I'm going to do, I'm going to try, I'm going to go into like Sanyong.
Sanyong?
Yeah.
And then I'm just going to bankrupt the company.
I'm just going to, I'm going to pull my investment and just see if I can close the company now.
That's what I want to do.
Just for the love of the game.
With LinkedIn.
That's what I want to do.
Just try a sort of generational run.
Just literally buy it and just, just close, shudder it.
So you're in a killer company?
Yeah.
No, that's what I'm going for.
But would you, would you shut it?
Like, would you say, you get in and they go, wow, my stick's going.
What is this guy going to say?
And you go, just shut it down.
You're fired.
You're fired.
Or you're just going to start making dreadful decisions.
I think they've done that already.
I think you could say that.
No, my real answer is Pagani.
Horatio, I'm sure I can get with Horatio and go, Horatio, what you're doing with the place, I love it.
I love what you've done with the place.
I go, I go, all I would like is a car.
And he goes, I think you could have probably made of a less of an investment.
I could have still built you one.
Yeah.
But at least then, do you know what I'm doing?
Here's what I'm doing.
This is perfect.
I'm buying into Pagani and I'm saying to Horatio, no more converting old Zombers into new ones.
And he'll go, absolutely not.
You're out.
Yeah.
I'll go, Horatio, we need to stop building the Zomber, mate.
We need to move on.
He goes, he's not possible.
He was 70 percent.
Horatio.
Who's got 30?
Who's got 30?
You don't know?
A company.
A hedge fund.
He's in, wow.
Ben Rogers Holdings.
It's probably somewhere just out of my sofa, maybe.
I don't know, they'll pay for it for it.
They have a, I mean, it's not public again, an estimation of about 400 million.
Oh, there you go, we're buying in there.
But then okay, but then if, you know, cream will get some money together.
You know, we'll see if we can buy into Pagani and then we will crowd fund for all the creamers
at Pagani to drive around.
But Pagani, I believe to be more exclusive than Coding's Egg.
Yeah.
I don't know if that's true.
I don't know.
I think they do make less.
They have a more like a limited run automobiles.
Yeah.
And they have, they resell from them.
They only make one.
It's called the Zonda.
No, you can't.
And then you just keep taking it back and it's another one.
It's not, it's not even half of Coding's Egg.
No.
So Coding's Egg is.
It's bread.
So that's your financial advice for the week.
Buy Coding's Egg outright.
Guys, we're going to short Coding's Egg.
Don't say that.
Sorry, in my opinion.
It should be.
Good job.
Because at 20 years time, people are going to say,
should have bought Coding's Egg.
Shouldn't I?
Should have listened to Ben should have bought.
Should have bought Coding's Egg.
Should have bought Coding's Egg.
Coding's Egg.
Coding's Egg.
Coding's Egg.
I wonder what that CV coin.
I wonder what that Ben guy from that podcast is doing.
And it's just homeless.
It's just merely yacht somewhere.
Coding's Egg.
Wow.
Very nice.
Someone's going to make that.
I can't wait for a pump and dump scheme on that one.
And then also the Coding's Egg.
This is not financial advice, is it?
No, I think you have advised people.
No, no, it's not financial advice.
I think they're coming for you Ben.
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Can I say something? I thought they already were dead.
Well, yeah, they don't because we're not where they were.
Yeah, yeah, they've been pretty quiet recently.
Do you know what? I think the evolution of words are failing me right now.
Because?
No, the modification scene has killed off tuners.
Think like when you're in the 80s, in the 90s, you remember it well.
I was going to say, because you said it was killed off tuners,
absolutely nothing to do with the tuner population.
How will this affect the tuner population?
If you wanted to modify your car, you had to get...
There was no Chinese supplier, there was no Alibaba,
there was no Instagram for me to go and scroll reels and go,
well, that one looks good, that one looks nice.
There was just tuning firms or dealers that supported aftermarket parts.
It was much harder.
So you would go for the well-known name brands,
the AC Schnitzer body kit, the Alpina, or that's what the AMG.
Whereas now, when I can go on TikTok shop and find a splitter for my Golf Mark 7,
it robs away from that AC Schnitzer being special or being worthwhile,
because it cost me £11 because I know nothing about cars and my taste is horrible.
I go, that'll be fine.
Whereas AC Schnitzer goes, no, it's like 400 quid because it's been developed properly and it's
at XYZ. No one cares, no one wants it.
That's like that, because it's what you could only really get in like a,
let's say like a Halfords or whatever shop you had before,
there was a shop that sold those bits and now they are unbelievably sort of accessible all over the
place. I think there's just a lot of those companies that kind of just been replaced
by other, but like you have like your Brabases and Mansouries and whatever else there,
but it feels like the sort of lower end stuff has lost.
I do think sometimes they have like failed to adapt, if that makes sense.
They still, they're still a little bit stuffy. It's still a little bit like every three years,
you see they have some ridiculous build. It's like AC Schnitzer has built a 900 horsepower
horse and you go, Christ, that's crazy. That is making a lot of power, but then you don't,
you forget about afterwards. Whereas before it was, here's a kit for every car. There's a kit
for this. There's a kit for this. Because I feel like Alpina kind of roughly went through a phase
where, because Alpina to me kind of fell into a similar sort of category as that where it was
like, they're just going to get a bit dry and a bit old. Because really what they do, well,
how different is it to what they used to do? No, it's the same. Have a little front lip,
stripe up the side, green and brown, out you go, mate. Also, we've removed all the options and
off you go. And then every now and then we'll develop some sort of ridiculous single turbo
system that doesn't exist on a twin turbo car. I don't know anyway, have fun.
But then now that it's like, now they're kind of, it's kind of cool and suave and now BMW
at Jo and it and that kind of thing. So it feels like it's a bit, it's almost like of the draw
whether you, whether you sort of live or die. Yeah, it is. And it's sad because there are some
incredibly cool AC Schnitzer parts and cars. I've seen a lot of people in like in my circles of
BMW people going, those mirrors, they're not 600 pounds anymore. They're too grand because
AC Schnitzer is now dead and they can go, doesn't it can't ever exist again?
Yeah. So AC Schnitzer like growing up, that was like 46M3s because that was when I was growing
up, that was like the new M3 and seeing a, I would say a Schnitzer equipped E46M3 normally a cab
and you see the exhausts, like the turbo almost spec exhaust and you see the badge and the wheels
and the, and the kit and I was never that keen on it, but it was like, you know what, this is a bit,
it's a bit different. No one was doing like CSL stuff. They were slapping
Harker stuff on and AC Schnitzer stuff on and that kind of, those kind of bits.
My, my mate's dad bought a full, I think there's a photo of them somewhere,
a full AC Schnitzer kitted six series, I can't remember if it was a Vert or a, or a Saloon,
Vert or a Coupe, it was the orange with the black stripe up the middle, like wild out there.
And it was one of the first times I ever looked at a car as a child and went,
I don't like that. This is not good. That's too much. But it was cool.
I was like, look at all these parts that are just on this car for no reason.
But anyway, sad, pouring out for your fallen homeboy.
I thought that was a golden era of, of, of tuning and modifying, I think.
Sad.
Next up is I've put in here Clarkson T 50.
That is Jeremy Clarkson.
There's Jeremy Clarkson's.
Yeah.
And the Gordon Murray T 50. And also in this little trifecta is Harry Metcalf.
If you don't know Harry Metcalf who started Eva magazine and sold it.
He's also a farmer. Also makes very good YouTube videos on YouTube.
Very different fact for us in there.
There you go. Yeah. And his name's Harry.
And last name unknown.
And he basically got a Gordon Murray T 50.
Yes.
Recently as like a bit of a sort of press car type thing.
Very, very cool. It was a good video.
But I watched it and he went and saw Clarkson with it because they're somewhat local.
Clarkson not, not impressed.
No, by a T 50.
But it did, it made me think.
No, not at all.
He hated the F1 when it came out.
He famously said that it was not very good.
He said it was very soft and it's a bit skittish and a bit odd,
even though at the time it was Tiff Nadell.
Tiff Nadell loved it.
He said it was the best thing that's ever existed, basically.
Basically saying that Clarkson couldn't, because he couldn't drive,
he couldn't, or couldn't drive as well as he could that he couldn't really sort of understand it.
But Harry Metcalf took Clarkson out in this and not only is it quite funny,
it's, it's quite, it's odd seeing Clarkson in that position.
You're not seeing me. He's like, he's the big guy, he's the main one.
Obviously, he's not afraid of making a fool of himself,
but he's sort of just a passenger with Harry Metcalf in the car.
I've always thought this about the Claren F1.
The, any other car, a passenger, you sit next to the driver.
You're on equal terms, but the F1 and the T 50 is three seats.
The, the side seats, the passengers are back set.
You're maybe a foot or a foot and a half behind the driver.
So you cannot look anything other than a child.
You look like a child being taken for a ride.
Yeah, exactly. It's, it's, yeah, it's backseat, the convertible vibe.
Yeah, there's something weird there.
But it made me think because I watched the video and I came out at the end of it.
I was like, I don't, I don't care about the T 50.
And I don't know what it is because everything adds up.
We've got Cosworth V12, it revs to 37 million RPM.
It's got the seat in the middle.
It's like the advance of the Claren F1, but there's something.
And I think it's because, like obviously Gordon Murray said,
there are things he would have perfected on the F1.
But I wonder if, if he had to perfected them, would it have been worse?
Yeah, no, I think it would have been a better car.
It might have been faster.
It would handle better.
It would have been better for everyday use.
But is the little foibles that you didn't get to perfect
make it the car that it is so famous?
I said it in, when we drove the Tuscan before,
I hate, I hate this notion that cars are good because they're shit.
It's like, oh, my defender's so good because look how bumpy it is.
That's not good.
That's not a good thing.
But every time I drive this, all of the things that make it stupid
and not good make me love it more.
So I can understand it a bit.
Like I do, I agree.
I think there are some things that are better when they're worse,
which makes no sense.
It's, I don't know what it is.
Again, the noise undoubtedly, it sounds amazing.
If you hear one in person, it does sound incredible.
But there's something about it.
I don't know if you want us to drive it.
I'm willing to be proved wrong.
But something about it that I do not,
I don't envy someone else who's sort of driving it early on
when I heard the noise of it and I saw someone driving it.
I thought, I'd love to see that.
But the more and more I see it now, I don't know why.
There's something really clinical about it.
That's exactly what I was going to say.
It's like a lab produced supercar.
It's too good.
Yeah.
It's like in the 19, everyone said over the laffarin that he won.
They say it's just, it's so good.
It's not good.
Yeah.
That's why I think he's like the F1 that I bet you at the same,
at the time the F1 came out, it was similar.
Where it was probably in comparison to an XJ220 was like,
it's kind of lacking something.
Yeah.
But over time, it's now become perfect.
So maybe over time, it will become that.
Oh no, actually, maybe it was quite good compared to the supercars of 2030.
When the X strong beef comes out and we go,
mate, that is doing crazy numbers, isn't it?
Do you want to hover?
Actually, that is the one, the fan on that GMA.
I cannot see past it.
I agree.
It's, I don't mind the way it looks.
And it's, it's smoother and probably maybe technically better looking than a,
than an F1.
But the fan on the back, I can't do that because I just don't understand why it's there.
Like it's, this is a road car.
It is a road car.
I can understand maybe you test that on like the track car or a race car or whatever,
but it's meant to be a road car.
It's not going after any records or anything like that.
So why put the fan on it?
I know like maybe it links to some of the stuff he's done before and whatever else,
but the fan just makes it look a bit silly.
Having it on the S, completely fine.
I get it.
It's a car that's supposed to go on track.
Record's fine.
But yeah, it just looks clunky.
It makes the rear look like, I don't want to say, it's not in the same leagues.
It's like when you see an F1 rain light and you go, man, we're on the road.
Boss, it doesn't feel, even though it's quite silly, it doesn't feel,
it feels silly in a clinical way.
It's not like you see like cars from the 80s or 70s, 80s, 90s, when you go,
I just stuck four turbos on that for no reason.
It's not like, oh, just stick a fan on it and see what happens.
It was like, it's been deliberated for too long.
It's been tested and it's like, no, this is perfect.
This is exactly how he imagined it.
I don't know what it is.
Maybe so other people will know, but, and I'm possibly being a bit of a filestine with it,
but there's something about the T50 that's missing.
And I didn't quite realize it and then when I saw sort of Clarkson in it,
he's always been kind of really critical stuff anyway,
especially stuff that actual car guys like.
But he got in it, he's like, why does it take that long to start?
Why does it, why is it doing all these things?
Like, there's something, something missing on that car.
We're happy to be proved wrong.
I'm more than happy.
Gordon, we will have a test, we'll have a drive.
We'll have a look.
We'll certainly have a look.
Of course, we'll have a look.
I imagine in person, it's probably something where you go,
do you know what, if you feel it in person and you're in the car,
even if you're not driving, you would certainly feel more.
Begin to believe.
He's starting to believe.
But there's something, I'm missing something.
Yeah, I don't, I don't end.
Do you know what?
I'm more excited about the T33.
I really like the look.
I like the look of it.
I like, I actually prefer the two seat thing, the normal seat.
But you know, I just will have to drive that.
The S1, the LM.
The S1, that I feel because again, it looks like an,
that is like the Resto mod thing.
We were talking about where that looks like you've taken an F1,
you haven't modified too much.
You've just made it a little bit more modern.
A little bit.
That is just right.
So we'll have to try all of them and the F1, obviously.
So we can triple test.
We'll do a triple test.
Yeah, we'll have a T33.
Sure.
Who wants a T53?
I'll take an F1.
You want an F1 as well?
Yeah, I'll just try.
Or we need another person.
No, no, then we'll have a T50.
You don't want the S1?
Oh, I'm not coming.
Who's having the S1?
I'm not coming.
Okay.
You can have the S1.
You can have the T33.
I'll have a T50.
All right.
Sounds like a good deal.
I'll just do passenger.
I'll film.
Adverts, we have next.
Now, I went to the cinema recently to watch a film.
What film?
It was the Peaky Blinders film.
Did you wear your flat cap?
Good cars in there.
No, just some great cars.
A couple of Wolseley's.
Yeah, there is.
Yeah, some sort of rubble bound Wolseley's.
But there was an advert beforehand.
I haven't actually seen it anywhere else.
I think I've seen it a few times on YouTube now.
And it's a Polestar advert.
And it made me angry.
Why is it?
It just made me angry because it's silly.
Have you seen it?
You know how there's...
I think it's the Sauvage advert, the Dior one,
that's got Johnny Depp waltzing through the desert.
Well, to be fair, that is a classic Perfume advert.
Yeah, I know, but it's silly though, isn't it?
Oh, yeah, of course.
It's very silly.
But this felt like that.
It's very white.
It's Polestar.
Can you...
Maybe they're good cars.
I'm sure they are.
Similar amount to Koenigsegg.
But there's something...
Now, someone corrects me that this is not word for word,
but there's something that the beginning line is basically...
I've never seen anything like it.
It's not from this planet.
What are you talking about?
The Polestar looks like every other car on the road now.
Originally, I don't think Polestar's looked that bad.
It was like, oh, look at this interesting looking thing.
Now Polestar, same thing as a Kia or whatever washing machine looking ass there is on the road.
I've got the transcript here.
It's tell us what you saw, and then some music and some flashing post,
and it went by so fast.
I didn't know what it was.
And then...
Oh, you're admitting to bad brand recognition there?
I've never seen anything like it before.
And I'd like to...
Actually, I can't say it.
I've never seen anything move like that before.
But you have.
Yeah, I just have.
Me when I...
When I see the Polestar on the road, I didn't veer into the head of the car.
Jesus!
Is that a UFO?
Is that an alien piloted craft?
There.
But don't do that.
Because you know, adverts are bad.
All car adverts are bad.
We'll get onto the...
Edwin's got one to talk about as well, which is equally as poo.
But car adverts are just poo.
They're crap and shit.
And that is why cars are boring.
But we found out from Al Clark...
It's not why cars are boring.
...is that they're not allowed to do anything anymore.
They cannot slide a car.
They cannot go fast.
There's Polestar flying down the road at McPiss.
And we're saying that it's like some sort of alien spacecraft.
Surely you've come up with something a bit better than that.
The most crazy thing they did...
It's firing out of the plane.
The most crazy thing they did was remove a rear window from a car.
I'm replacing it with a piece of metal.
And it looks like they forgot to put a window in.
And they were like, oh, put a camera on that so they can see.
I looked down and never seen anything like it.
I've never seen...
Bit old for it.
Do you know why?
Nothing's moved like that.
They cannot see up the rear.
I've never seen anything like it.
So yeah, I just saw it.
Just hate car adverts now.
Nothing.
And it just made me angry.
Maybe someone will say, well, you're talking about it.
Shut up.
We've just sold 100,000 Polstars by talking about it on the podcast.
Oh, well, what a shit advert.
I reckon I'll buy one.
The one I saw is the Range Rover Sport one with,
you know the name of the man.
Tefio Perfite.
Tefio James, I think his name is.
The guy from the Gentleman.
The guy from the Gentleman.
Now I assume it's some form of link from...
Because the Gentleman, they drive around in Andrew's products.
But it's an ad for a Blue Range Rover Sport.
And you know what?
I couldn't tell you a single thing they said,
but everything they said was ridiculous.
It's him like driving around a posh palace,
and there's a woman, and then there's a dog,
and then there's a chessboard that's giant,
and then he drives up some stairs,
and then he gets out the car and he chucks the ball to the dog.
And he's, ah, good boy.
What are you talking about?
What is going on?
Nothing about this is about the car.
None of this makes me feel anything towards the car.
I'm confused and angry.
Also, if you've got that much land to keep up with,
like make nice, why would you then drive your Range Rover?
It looks like quite cloudy weather,
just in the mud, rolling your lawn,
probably almost hitting your dog,
and you're made.
And then drive up the stairs to your palace.
We'll look out the window.
What the hell is he doing?
And then he cuts him inside going,
and that's it.
Where are you looking?
You're like smoldering at the camera.
Where are you looking?
Who are you looking at?
Who's going there?
Well, so it's about spec as well.
You know, with our 51% stakes in the car companies,
we choose to purchase.
We will be, the marketing department, gone.
They're gone.
And it will be replaced by explosions, planes.
People doing skids.
People doing skids.
People doing, and when the ASA or whatever they're called,
so you can't do that,
you get, stick that.
Because what are you going to do?
Take it down.
It's on the TV already, idiot.
This is how ads will do work.
And they go, I don't think you understand how this process works.
I just put it on YouTube then.
And then they say, take it down.
I go, no.
And then YouTube would take it down.
And then I'd re-upload it via a collection of minions.
Yeah.
And they can't take that down because it's not online.
Well, you upload it, you do it through a USP,
maybe like from like Gabon callback there,
where they're like, you have no authority here.
Yeah.
You can't, what are your, you have no power here.
This is it.
So car companies, give us a bell.
You can literally wipe out the entire marketing cut,
the marketing company, and we'll just do it.
Also, any car manufacturers that want to submit your ad foot,
we will do it.
Yeah.
We know Al Clark and he'll tell us we're idiots.
And we'll do it.
We'll do it in a better fashion.
I'll do it.
Better.
Yeah.
We are like when you lobel someone on Facebook
so that your mate can go in a little bit higher
and get the deal done.
That's what we do.
We come in and propose a horrible idea,
and then Al Clark goes in and goes,
how about this instead?
And they go, bloody hell, that's a great idea Al.
Yeah.
And then they hear Al doing, do you know what?
Hold on.
These guys might be on something.
Do you know what?
Firing the Paul Star out of a cannon does sound interesting.
I've never seen anything like it before.
What do we got next?
What do we have next?
What's that?
Yeah.
What's in there?
Just a minute.
Just a minute, didn't it?
Edwin, a surprise.
I knew it.
Okay.
Before this podcast started, I read back the notes.
We've said, we've done this multiple times.
We put something in the chat.
You go back to it a week later.
You've got no idea what you've written, mainly me.
Although this was possibly 36 hours after you put it in there.
So Edwin's brain's a bit, you know.
It's tough at times.
So I put in there a surprise.
I knew it because we were discussing something the other day,
and we said, I've got a secret video.
Ben, can you block out this day or a time in on a month?
I've got a secret video I want to do.
And then Will said, I've got a secret video I want to do.
And I immediately said, I know what this is going to be.
I remember now.
You do remember now.
I do remember.
And it's linked to the date.
Will and I have known each other for 10 years now.
There was really a weird moment before the podcast went.
When did we meet?
Oh, I think it was August.
Oh, no, I think it was June.
I don't think I said it like that at all.
Hold on.
Because you said when?
We've known each other for five years.
No, yes.
I don't need to try.
You said when we're in Montserrat this year,
we're going to know each other 10 years.
We're going to have anniversary dinner.
No, we are.
With Ben as our child.
I'm going to get a babysitter so I can...
I'll stay at home.
No, no.
You're going to be in the high chair.
Oh, well, I can just scream and throw things around.
Fine.
No different than usual.
So I said, I bet you.
I bet you I know what your video idea is.
I bet you it's the same as mine.
And Will was like, no, there's no way.
So we're going back and forth on it.
For quite some time, I said, hold on.
Would this make sense if we each write down what our idea is?
And we show it to Rory.
Because Ben's kind of involved.
Yeah, well, I thought I knew about this.
Because obviously you're involved.
But you're involved in it and you know about it.
Because I came up with the idea.
I can't say to myself and go, right, wipe that out.
You're part of this.
It's a surprise, idiot.
When is this happening?
Get everything you know.
I want to know now because...
Well, yeah.
You will find out when you find out.
When is it happening?
It's a surprise.
What it is, is it's going to be very hard to pull off.
So hard, in fact, that we can't...
What is that then?
What is that funny then?
Is that something funny then?
Great.
It's getting late, isn't it?
Yeah.
It's not...
It may never happen.
But basically, we showed off our phones to Rory and Rory went,
yes, you've written the same idea down.
So slight differences, but the core, like...
The core.
The core is there.
We've talked about it before.
It's something...
It's doing something for one another.
But we can't say what it is.
But we thought, what do the cremers think it is?
Yeah.
A video idea that I'm putting together for Will, mainly,
and Will is putting together for me, mainly.
But it's the same thing.
It's the same thing.
We don't...
We know what it is.
We know what it is.
We can't say what it is.
And there are little minor differences in it.
I thought I knew what it was until you refused to tell me,
and now I don't understand.
I thought what I thought it was going to be,
was I thought it would be you guys,
like you've organised the big M for Will to drive,
and he's organised the big 550 for you to drive.
Well, you did that.
But we did that.
So it's not that.
So we're not going to confirm or deny anything.
But we just thought, because Will and I know each other well enough,
that we're like, right, I just know,
we know what that's going to be.
But it's actually just staring at the ceiling.
Are you firing me?
That's what you think that's our dream video to make.
We're not surprising you.
We're surprising each other with it.
With the title.
No, I fired Ben.
Oh, well, I fired Ben.
You didn't.
Why is Ben not on the shoot?
Well, because I fired him.
Oh, no, you shouldn't have.
Oh, you didn't.
Oh, you, stop it.
It's releasing Ben to freedom.
It's releasing Ben to the roads of Redding into the wilds,
like getting a bunny and just putting it in the woods.
Did you do that?
You'd run back in.
You'd run back into the cage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm, I'm, I'm, was it?
Stockhome syndrome.
Captivity, where is?
Sure.
This is a zoo and you're all here to watch Ben.
So, yeah, let us know in the comments what you think the video idea is.
We will never tell you.
We won't ever confirm.
Until it happens.
We're just interested to know what you think.
Well, that's the problem is here is the problem.
It's very difficult.
Well, why is it difficult?
Is this the thing?
It's difficult.
And number two, it's very difficult.
Because it's the thing, right?
Is that I, I'm less bothered about specifically what it is.
Just the fact that I don't know.
Oh, don't worry about it then, mate.
You're fine.
The fact that you two know that I don't,
I feel it's the same with the S2000.
I think you could get it quite easily.
Yes, you could.
If you really put, and also the video idea,
you know us well enough.
Yeah.
And you also know the videos we've already made,
because I think you edited some of them.
Ben's going, what about if we buy a cheap Jag XFR?
That could be interesting.
I'm going to surprise Edwin with an E55 with slightly rusty subframe.
Okay.
So it's similar to what we've done before.
No, you're thinking, you need to think.
Ben, you just said that.
You know, but they think outside the box.
Here's what's all around it.
Ben, here's what we're going to do.
Every week, you're going to give us one thought of what you think the video is.
You get one guess.
And if I get it right, you tell me.
And if you get it perfectly correct, we will tell you.
It doesn't get one this week.
No.
I'll have one this week.
All right, fine.
I think you're going...
Do we confirm it?
We, if he gets it on this one, no.
Okay.
We'll confirm it next week if you get it right this week.
Potential and what such.
I think you're, you are going to...
The moon.
You're going to...
I don't love that.
I don't know you.
No, okay, right.
Then, you know what, come back next week.
You're going to, I don't know.
I actually don't know what it is, because I can't work it out.
Perfect.
Because I can work it out.
I can guess, but I can't work out how it involves me
and why I can't know about it.
Exactly.
That's the thing that is baffling me.
No, that's mainly mine, not Will's, but don't worry about it.
You're not there for mine.
And that makes it even weirder,
because I'm like, well, surely I'm just going to film it,
so I should know what it is.
No, you're not filming this one.
But why am I not filming it?
This one will, for me, there'll be another videographer there.
You'll be in the chair in the corner, that's why.
Oh, where?
Oh, no.
Why would there be another videographer there?
It's why I'm being fired.
You're trailing the new guy.
Have a think, make it suspenseful, and then, you know, let us know.
Write it down.
Next up from you, Edwin, red seat wrongs.
Well, well, well.
Now, it's been a little time now.
Yeah.
As always, Cream, you had it here first.
It's a little while after the fact.
But we released our BMW M140i episode, our final episode.
We finished the car.
We sent it off a raffle at LLF.
So one of you has won that car now, if hopefully a Creamer has won it.
The car is done.
It's all ready.
In that last episode, we removed the red interior.
For those of you that don't know, this car had an esterill blue,
like a bright, imagine this green, but blue, like a really quite vivid.
Look, I'm trying to say the shade bed.
All the listeners.
Okay.
All the listeners.
It's a tough one.
It's bright metallic blue with a red interior.
Now, you know, we were also bright red interior.
Not burgundy.
No, no.
We're talking red.
Like motel red that you can see over Ben's shoulder.
We thought we thought you were more, we thought you were grown up.
We thought we were past this.
And yet the majority of the comments were,
I actually thought the red interior is really nice.
Red is a class.
Why did you take the red out?
Saying it's classy.
What are you talking about?
What's going on?
Loaded people going, oh, interior, that black interior is boring.
Sorry, do you want it to be made out of live snakes to keep you awake?
We're talking about more exciting if it was green.
I read the comments and I kept reading more and I kept reading more and there were more.
I thought thousands.
Am I an idiot?
And I went back and I looked at other cars that might have had that combination.
I was like, none of these look good.
It's horrible.
All of them look better with a different combination,
whether that's black, whether that's like a white or a cream or a beige or whatever it is.
You know what?
I'd rather have gray.
Yeah, I should say.
I am a red seat hater, but I will admit that it can work.
It's not my taste, but it can work if the car, if the exterior paint is there,
a black, a gray, a white, that can work.
That's fair.
And you try a new sort of not really a color, basically a shade.
So you get a nice little bit of contrast and preferably the red is darker, but whatever.
But a blue, a bright blue to claim that it's classy.
Yeah.
There's nothing more classy than having a black something.
Do you know what I mean?
Like a black tie event.
Yeah.
Ben is getting so angry.
He's whacking his mic.
Sorry about that.
The black tie event is classy.
And what does everyone wear?
Black ties.
This is the gray of the blue over red tie event.
Yeah.
Yeah, we're climbing up as the Joker.
You're going to wear leopard print pink slippers to your grandmother's funeral.
That's not classy.
Yeah, I don't know my grandma.
But what I'm saying is you can't just mix colors and say that's classy.
You can't.
Famously, you cannot mix colors.
What is blue and red make?
Green.
Purple.
No, they're both prime numbers.
Blue and red.
What does blue and red make?
I think it's yellow.
It's green.
Magenta.
Oh, that would be nice.
Magenta.
Well, interior or exterior?
Which is the general.
He likes to tell us it's a nice car.
So, you know, and when we had someone at Supercar driver come up to us and he said,
he emerged from an RV.
Shout out.
He might be a creamer.
I think he is a creamer.
He is a creamer.
And he came over and one of the first things he said to us was,
by the way, I like the red interior.
But he did say I am from the Midlands.
And I did abuse him for that.
But there is no resolution to this.
I just wanted to point out that you're all wrong completely.
What I'm interested to know, though, is there is possibly a crossover between the creamers
and the TDCers.
But like, what are you guys?
Yeah, what are the creamers saying?
Yeah.
Get it?
Like, comment that.
And if I'm seeing one comment that's got 800 likes, it goes,
oh, actually, I do like the red on the blue, actually.
Here's what we do.
Someone make a comment.
Don't go make loads.
But find a comment that I prefer the X interior.
And then just make one comment below it that I prefer the Y interior.
Why don't we do that?
Just like those.
Why don't we do that?
I think we should.
We can comment.
We will comment red and we will comment blue.
You know what?
I think on Spotify, you can do polls.
Oh, there you go.
That might not be here.
It's not guaranteed.
Also, you're not listening on Spotify.
Make it up among yourselves.
You mean, everyone driving?
Oh, yeah, I'll do that.
No worries.
Yeah.
I just felt like us doing it would be a dictatorship.
Whereas, you know, them doing it would be democracy.
It's sort of letting the people decide.
Yeah, but then the government call an election and then you vote.
Meanwhile, people don't just like in Tesco's go,
right, new Prime Minister.
Who's up for who?
I think we should change this up a bit.
Also, saying, no, I forgot what I was going to say now.
That's good.
I like that point.
Why should we go next?
Let's go to the next point, shall we?
Okay.
This one's from today.
So, it'll be fresh in the mind.
Edwin, you put it in here.
Am I in the way?
We like to, you know, install anecdotes every now and then
into these podcasts that, you know,
they're just things that happen that are funny.
They're perhaps a, you're not going to laugh at this.
You mustn't laugh.
Classic not laugh.
We were filming a car that will not be out yet,
but soon to be out.
A car that we've had for a little while.
On Monday.
Cool little weird thing, Ben.
But we went to our classic park,
our park of dreams that we go and film out.
Oh, yeah!
Sorry, come on.
I remember what this was now.
And we parked the ML up and in this park,
there is like a little nook.
It's kind of concreted and it just goes to a line of trees.
There's no reason for any, like no one parks there.
If you see what I mean, it's an offshoot of the car park.
There's no reason to bring your car in there.
The car park is quite large as well.
In the middle of the day.
Has multiple sections.
Wasn't busy today.
If you have a moment, you can watch the first episode
of the Corsa versus the Starlet.
All the sports cars series, the Porsche and the 350.
The Porsche versus the 350.
All the limo.
Yes.
Lot of things being done there.
So that is the background.
It's a little nook for us to film in.
So we parked the ML up and we go and put
the new car, X car, in its place for Ben to get a B-roll.
We said, Ben, go grab yourselves a B-roll.
Or we say five to 10 meters around it.
And it's parked in the centre of this space,
not like off the side and it's a diagonal angle.
So it's like, it's really framed in there.
It's a stage, imagine.
But we saw a, was it a perhaps a Vauxhall mocha?
I want to say it was a mocha, quite a new one.
So a Vauxhall mocha kind of turn up and kind of pull alongside the ML.
And I was like, that's weird.
What's going on here?
Because by the time you get to where the ML is,
that's the beginning of that long nook.
There's no reason to be in there.
And I was like, is someone going to get annoyed that we're here?
That's weird.
And then they turned around and started backing up alongside the ML.
And I was like, what's going on?
But like very slowly, not very well, just kind of jarring at the wheel.
And I was like, this is weird.
And they kind of just sailed past the ML,
back towards the car that Ben's filming.
And I was like, what's going on here?
It's bizarre.
This person,
stacked around, like tight between the bushes and the car,
around past the car that we're filming,
right to the back of the nook,
within half a meter, a meter of the car.
I stood there.
At the time Ben was filming, getting a b-roll,
like getting, like you could, it was kind of obvious what's happening.
And we're not saying that we own the park.
Absolutely not.
We have a right to film and everyone else is in the way.
But it's because there was so much other room elsewhere.
And we thought, is there like a specific reason to be in that spot?
When we say this car park is big,
you could fit upwards of 50 cars, I'd say,
like near each other in this car park.
It was empty.
And we were in the back right corner.
We were minding our own business.
And I was getting b-roll.
And I just stood there.
I stood there and just stared as she just reversed in,
in the shot.
And I just looked at her.
I started towards the car and she just opened the door and went,
am I in the way?
And I was like, yeah, I think so.
I said, I said, I'm shooting in this direction towards the trees.
I said, if you wouldn't mind, anywhere on that side is perfect.
Because I wouldn't be in my way at all.
It'd be fine.
And she went, of course, not a problem.
Look, it's really confused.
Because I thought she backed up towards the tree line
because maybe there's a path there.
Or maybe she's got dogs to unload.
I thought perhaps there was like a compost power way
where you can bring your leaves.
We're chucking some leaves in the bushes.
Fine.
The rural type beat.
And no, she just got out and had a cigarette.
No, she pulled in front of the car.
So now I'm facing the car.
The background is as you would see it on camera.
And then behind me is the car.
But I said, like, you can go over that side of the car.
And she said that very literally.
She didn't mean, I kind of meant into the car park.
Do you mean the car park that has hundreds of spaces available here?
Yeah, that's the one.
Yeah.
And she just parked like two meters from the car,
but in the other direction.
Go out and start smoking a cigarette.
And I was like, okay, well, now I can't film anything.
So these guys were sat in the car writing the intro script.
Laughing.
And laughing at me and this woman.
And I went and sat in the email for a minute.
And I was like, you know what?
I'll wait for the cigarette to be finished.
So also, what are you smoking?
Is she was there for like 10 minutes smoking as one cigarette?
I think it maybe wasn't a cigarette.
But that's why.
That's why.
But then she, I was in the car, that's the back.
And these guys said, can you go ask her like nicely
if she would mind moving a little bit further
so we can film the intro section.
And I said, let's finish the cigarette
and we'll see what happens.
Ben said, we'll give her to the end of the cigarette.
Like it was a song.
Well, I thought give her a chance.
Maybe it's been a tough day.
So she's done with the cigarette,
chucks it on the floor.
Not cool.
And then opened the door, let in the car to get into leave.
And I thought, oh, she's gonna try to get something.
Maybe it's the car keys.
Maybe it's George pulled up.
What's that?
A second cigarette.
Mr. President.
So she's just driven to the local park on a, was it, Wednesday?
Wednesday, about 11 o'clock in the morning
and sat in the car park and just chain smoked.
Yep.
Just also around people who are clearly just trying to do their jobs.
Also, like in between us at this point,
the ML is like we're in front of her car
and the unnamed car is behind it.
So she just positioned herself,
just bang in the middle of both of us and went,
then can I have a cigarette?
You know what?
Boys, it's lovely to meet you.
I think I'll take this moment to, you know,
let's all, let's chill out a bit.
Is that, what car is that?
Oh, nice.
You're filming a YouTube video.
Fantastic.
I think I'll have eight cigarettes.
It will be the equivalent of,
imagine there was a few of you stood in a circle talking
and someone just walked in the middle of the circle,
just sat down.
Yeah.
Didn't say anything.
Just sat down.
That were like, I don't want any part of this.
Whatever it is you're doing,
completely fine.
Technically nothing wrong with it.
No, that's possibly socially odd.
But then, then you said, could you not?
And they went, not a problem.
I'll move.
And then it moved to just the edge of the circle.
Facing inwards and just started smoking at you.
A little bit menacing, I think.
Anyway, I asked, it'd be probably 20 minutes at this point
and we're still smoking cigarettes.
I thought, we are.
No, we were just, Ben joined her.
Yeah.
They say, all right, go on then.
I mean, if we're going to wait, I mean, I'll have a couple.
It's a little bit, it's doing YouTube videos,
you must have energy to do YouTube videos.
And it's a bit awkward to be possibly,
for me, just from someone and go,
we bought the cheapest egg in the world.
They're going to go, what is happening here?
We didn't appreciate those.
Yeah, it would be.
But it also would have been where you would be filming.
You'd be standing next to her with us doing the intro,
maybe half a meter from her.
A lot of the intro shots may look,
they may look like not much movement is happening,
but I'm walking backwards looking at a camera screen.
So I might walk into you if you're directly behind me.
I might smash into someone.
And I just, I just reverse into her with a big camera
and possibly dent her car and possibly dent her.
Oh, wow.
Ben's like, I'm going to beat the shit out of you.
I am solid as a rock.
If I touch you, you are done.
If I'm half running backwards and I actually run into you,
I don't want, you might get hurt.
You know what I mean?
So, every time to me.
All right.
All right.
I don't want anyone to get hurt.
We've all had a few cigarettes, right?
Let's calm it down.
So I said, I'll go talk to you again.
So I got out and I said, so I'm really sorry.
I said, we're just going to fill my section here.
Is it, would you mind going that way?
She said, yeah, I'll just finish my cigarette
and I'll be off.
And to be fair, she did.
Where did she go?
To the other side of the car.
But to smoke a third cigarette.
Yeah.
So, you do find, obviously, we're fortunate.
The job that we do is barely job, really.
It means that we, we experience middle of the day folk.
And you know what?
It's incredible.
Yeah.
There's going to be lots of,
there's going to be lots of creators out there listening who,
because of their job, will experience this too.
It's a different, it's a different world.
Yeah.
When everyone else is at work, just,
just people don't understand how things work.
Yeah.
Sort of lingering.
They're just, just people.
It's amazing.
It's a, and no, no shade to anyone.
Please genuinely.
We're not with your life, man.
Trying to be, you know, businesses,
but as a, as a spectacle to watch,
it's quite fantastic sometimes.
It's pulling up in the mocker midday.
Three cigarettes.
Like didn't, didn't slow us down at all.
But it was quite funny to watch.
In a long ass jacket too.
Like actual, like Wenger spec jacket.
The thing that baffled me the most was that like,
it wasn't purposeful, obviously,
but it almost started to feel that.
Ben Ben was like, she's doing this on purpose.
I don't blame her for what she did.
No, what I'm saying that is,
because it was, it was to get into the corner where she parked originally,
there was actually quite a maneuver she had to make.
It really was.
To the point where I come up, I come off, I was like,
how can this be anything?
Like it's not an accident.
Because you have to actively have gone right about,
get the car backwards through this gap.
He's parked dreadfully.
Yeah.
And there's a traffic warden taking a picture of her as well with a camera.
Now, honestly, at the start, I thought,
because the car was stance parked,
it was at a 45 degree angle to where like all the other cars were parked.
I thought she'd gone, well, clearly this is how we all park now.
And I thought she was going to park next to you.
That would have been good.
At a 45 degree angle and go, cheers and walk off,
which would have been fantastic.
She just said, do you want the bonnet open?
Gonna be wrong.
It was an eco tech.
Obviously, it wasn't on purpose, but it was just,
it was such an, it felt like more effort to do that than just to pull up in...
Also, you've got to drive through the entire car park to get to that point.
The whole car park.
Yeah.
It just makes no sense.
I think maybe because it was not a cigarette.
I think it was...
Well, you're not a cigarette.
I think it was.
I think it was.
I don't know.
It was really long though.
It looked like one from far,
but it might have been in one of them custom made ones.
It smelled like a cigarette.
The filling was different.
Hmm.
It's not like a cigarette though.
Okay.
How would you know?
I walked up to her and said,
and you went, oh, wait, I just need to film some B-roll, man.
I'm sorry, dude, but you mind moving?
Isn't it crazy that we're just out here filming YouTube videos?
We're all filming YouTube videos in a sense, aren't we?
So, yes, shout out to the random lady who decided to be part of the shoot today.
Perhaps a creamer.
Or perhaps from a rival podcast.
Perhaps it was sent by Smith and Sniff.
We're onto your games, Richard.
This one is from Charlie.
He's got two first names and a last name,
which I won't read out to not box you.
The subject is V5.
This is a forum, by the way.
Apologies if I did.
Did I say that?
What's a forum, Edwin?
Forum is where we let you guys ask a question to us,
and we'll give you a very serious response.
And you can't be embarrassed.
There's no judgment with the forum.
You can ask me, what's a car?
Why don't we use a car?
Who are you?
How did you get this number?
So, this one is from Charlie.
The subject is V5.
Okay.
Hello, Ben.
That's come to me.
So, I'm Ben today.
Hello, Ben, and the other two.
My question is, why is a V5 not proof of ownership?
And if it isn't proof of ownership, why is?
I've seen stuff about how it means you're the keeper of the vehicle,
but not the owner.
Are they not the same thing?
Hope you can answer for me, Ben.
Cheers, Ben.
Have a good one.
Ben.
So, Ben, can you answer that?
I can.
It wasn't addressed to us.
I don't know the law of it.
I believe, and this is, again, not the law,
I believe it is.
Because if that is the official documentation for that car,
and it's printed in your name with all the details in your name,
that's yours.
I agree.
Edwin.
I agree in principle.
Now, the classic thing in America, possession is nine-tenths of the law.
If you have legal ownership of the car, that is a piece of paper that says,
you are responsible for doing everything with the car, i.e., you must tax it.
It comes to you if any fines happen, which is why a business can own it.
A V5 can be in a business name, right?
There should be, you should get, whenever you buy a car, an invoice,
not sorry, not an invoice, a bill of sale is what Americans call it.
It is a piece of paper that is signed by both parties,
the person selling it and the person buying it, that says,
I, the seller of this car, have sold it, have sold this car to you, the buyer.
And that is a record you should keep so that if anybody ever comes knocking,
you can say, no, no, I have bought this car from this person,
which means on this day, it transferred to me.
Anything that's happened before, deal with the old owner.
But in this country, to apply for the V5, you do a ownership transfer.
You can do it online, between the hours of 7 and 7, for some reason.
And what do you get sent?
An email.
A new V5, yes.
An email saying, you go for this thing, it's an online form, and you go,
I'm Edwin, I've sold this car to Will, and then you both go, we agree, cool.
But then, an email confirming that, but then you get a V5 in the post, in your name.
So surely that's proof.
But it doesn't say anything about a sale price, because it must have something to do with
the monetary transfer, so that you can prove and say,
on this day, I sent X amount of money, no, you could fake it, of course you could.
But that's why those AA things, that was a big thing back in the day, that was like a
everyone, you used to buy a used car on like a gum tree, someone would be like,
it makes sign this, and you have to sign this thing that says,
Bob's made a name.
Yeah, all that sort of stuff, give me the cards on the back of your,
the numbers on the back of your card, all that sort of stuff.
So I understand it, right?
I understand it technically is, but a V5 is, if I have the V5 in my name,
I consider you the owner.
Yeah, but it's, who's getting the fine?
Yeah, who's getting the, if that goes sailing through a speed camera,
like, I mean, past the speed camera, over the speed limit, who gets the fine?
It's the Garner V5.
But that's what it's about, because the Garner V5 could be not the person that bought it,
could not be the owner.
It's fair, like the M140i.
Exactly, there you go.
So yeah, I would still say, for the most part, it feels like,
because also, when you buy a car, you feel a bit fishy if you don't have the V5,
just because, if someone said, I'm going to V5, but I've got this invoice here,
you'd be like, you go, well, that just proves someone.
Kind of want the V5 though, if possible, because that's how you tax it.
That's how you change anything on it.
You want to put a private plate on it?
That's that.
So yeah, it just feels like a weird technicality.
But I think, though not probably the law and legal, the V5 to me is proof that you own that car,
or your business owns that car, or something else.
The reason, the reason that we always say it and go, oh, V5 is not a proof,
is because of the adenoids that comment it every time when we go, I've bought it,
I've got the V5, and they go, technically, don't you know that it's not proof of ownership?
Unless you've got a cow signed, advice.
I don't think so.
Actually, it's just us being facetious, which you might not have grasped in this podcast up until
now. Sometimes like to do that, throw in a little bit of that left and right.
But I think that's a nice place to round it off, like a nice bolt, like a nice 10 mil.
Thank you very much for listening to this episode.
The cars are everything around me podcast.
We'll be back with 77 next week.
Bingo number Ben, which was 77.
77, David Beckham.
Eggs in heaven.
We'll see you next week.
Thank you for listening.
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