C.R.E.A.M. #79 - 300k Mile Huracan, The Ugly New Juke and a GT3 Convertible
C.R.E.A.M. (The TDC Podcast)
C.R.E.A.M. #79 - 300k Mile Huracan, The Ugly New Juke and a GT3 Convertible
C.R.E.A.M. (The TDC Podcast) · Apr 23, 2026
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Topic
cars rule or ruin everything around us
They’re using a recurring theme: do cars make things better or worse? The show uses that idea to talk about cars and what they change in real life.
Topic
let's look into the future
They’re saying this episode will talk about what might happen next in the car world. So it’s more about predictions and trends than just current stuff.
Concept
auction
They’re going to a car auction and waiting to see what happens. Auctions can swing in price, so they’ve been looking up past sale prices to guess what it might cost.
Company
Bonham's
Bonhams is a well-known auction house that sells cars, collectibles, and other high-end items. When a car is listed there, it often means the listing is aimed at serious buyers and can attract competitive bidding.
Car
Alfa Romeo 159
The Alfa Romeo 159 is a regular-size sedan made by Alfa Romeo. People talk about it because it’s more characterful and fun than many typical commuter cars.
Concept
make one good car out of two
Sometimes people buy two cars that aren’t perfect and use the best parts from each. The goal is to end up with one car that’s actually worth keeping.
Term
parts car / donor car
The “breaker for the money” plus “wanted it for the interior” implies one car is being treated as a donor—kept mainly for usable components—while the other provides the better mechanical base. This is a common approach when one car’s value is in specific parts rather than overall condition.
Term
Facebook marketplace
Facebook Marketplace is being used as the source for the car purchase, which matters because private-party listings can vary widely in accuracy and documentation. The hosts’ concerns about whether the seller is “dodgy” highlight the need for verification before buying.
Company
CarVertical
CarVertical is a service that looks up a car’s history using its details. It helps you spot red flags—especially when you can’t go see the car in person.
Concept
vehicle history report before purchase
Before buying a used car, checking its history can help you avoid surprises. It’s especially useful when you can’t inspect the car yourself.
Term
vehicle history check
A vehicle history check is a report that helps you learn what a used car has been through. It’s meant to catch surprises—like accident history—before you hand over money.
Car
EK Civic
An “EK Civic” is an older Honda Civic generation from the late 1990s. It’s a popular used-car target because parts and community knowledge are usually easy to find.
Concept
combining these two cars
They’re talking about using one car to upgrade another—like borrowing parts so the end result looks and feels better. It’s basically a DIY “make the better one” strategy.
Concept
roof down driving
Driving with the roof down makes the car feel more open and fun. You hear more, feel more wind, and it usually feels more “alive” than driving with the roof up.
Company
Imagination Creations
Imagination Creations sounds like a car shop that worked on the host’s BMW. It’s the kind of place enthusiasts use when they want specific work done.
Car
Renault Clio
The Renault Clio is a compact hatchback that’s popular for being easy to drive and maneuver in everyday traffic. The host mentions getting their girlfriend to drive the Clio, implying it’s the practical choice for local driving while they handle another car.
Car
Lamborghini Tuscan
The Lamborghini Tuscan is a high-end supercar. They’re saying they’ll drive it, meaning it’s the exciting choice compared to the smaller car.
Topic
Food and View
They’re talking about an event they go to. The host is saying they learned a lesson about what to eat beforehand because it affected their day.
Topic
Shedfest
They mention “Shedfest” as another event they’re planning to go to. It’s part of the conversation about when they’ll see each other next.
Topic
Race driver excuses
They’re making a joke about how race drivers always have a reason for how they feel—like being tired because of the event. It’s not a technical car thing, just a humor moment about racing culture.
Topic
Shelsley Walsh
Shelsley Walsh is a well-known hillclimb track in the UK. Instead of going around a flat circuit, cars race uphill for speed and control.
Topic
Bista
“Bista” sounds like the name of a place where they’re going for an event. The hosts compare it to what they did the weekend before, so it’s probably a similar meet-up or driving event.
Concept
free up some money
This is basically the idea of selling a car so you have more cash available. Even if you like the car, you might do it to pay for something else or to make your finances easier.
Car
C55 AMG
“C55 AMG” is a fast version of the Mercedes-Benz C-Class made by AMG. The host is basically saying they don’t like selling a car that’s going to be a headache for the next owner.
Concept
rust under the arch
Rust under the wheel arch is often hidden until you strip things down. Once they sanded it, they realized it was much worse than they expected.
Part
front wing
The front wing is the outer panel over the front wheel. They’re saying the car needed a replacement panel as part of fixing the rust damage.
Part
two recorders
This sounds like they had to replace two major lower body sections because of rust. It’s not a small cosmetic fix—replacing those parts changes a lot of the car’s structure and finish.
Concept
mismatched panels vs original
When you replace a lot of body panels, the new parts might not line up or match the original look perfectly. That can make the car seem “different” even after repairs.
Term
exhaust is disconnected from the rest of the exhaust
If the exhaust parts aren’t connected correctly, exhaust gases can leak. That can make the car louder and can also cause it to fail the emissions/safety checks.
Term
MOT
MOT is a UK safety and emissions test for cars. If your car doesn’t have a current MOT, you usually can’t drive it legally until it’s fixed and passes.
Term
retrim the interior
Retrimming is when you redo the inside of the car—like replacing worn fabric or coverings. They’re saying the interior needs work before the car feels right again.
Term
headlining
The headlining is the fabric/trim material on the underside of the roof. The hosts describe it as “billowy” and waving, which usually indicates the foam backing has degraded or the adhesive has failed, causing the material to sag.
Term
scrim
Scrim is a thin fabric backing used when redoing interior roof lining. It helps the material stay tight and smooth instead of sagging.
Company
ZF
ZF is a company that makes car parts, especially transmissions. They’re saying they want to swap the current automatic for a ZF automatic, which can make the car drive better and feel smoother.
Concept
modified car
A modified car is one that someone has changed from how it came from the factory. People do it to make it look cooler or drive better, but it’s worth checking that the work was done well.
Topic
enthusiastic type car adverts
They’re talking about the way some car ads are written to sound really exciting. It’s a reminder to take claims with a grain of salt and look for proof.
Concept
not included in the sale is the wheels and the steering wheel
Sometimes sellers advertise a car with certain parts shown in the pictures, but those parts aren’t actually included when you buy it. So you might show up expecting a specific setup and find the car is missing the wheels or other items.
Term
turbo
A turbo is a performance part that helps the engine make more power. If it’s not included in the sale, the car you buy might be much slower or incomplete compared to what the photos suggest.
Concept
listing photos vs what you actually get (seller keeps parts)
They’re talking about a situation where the ad looks great because of parts that the seller plans to keep. If you go to buy it, the car may not be ready or may be missing the parts you thought you were getting.
Concept
car isn't ready to go
They’re saying the seller may not have the car fully set up for you to view or buy. That makes it harder to check the car properly before you commit.
Concept
car listings "as it sits" vs "with wheels" pricing
They’re talking about how sellers sometimes list different prices depending on what parts are included. The point is: you should figure out what you’re actually being left with after the seller subtracts the value of parts.
Part
shifter
A shifter is the part you use to select gears (like Park/Drive or 1st/2nd). Here, the host is saying the seller may be pricing the car differently depending on whether the shifter is included.
Term
above market value
It means the price is higher than what similar stuff usually sells for. If you’re paying above market value, you’re likely overpaying compared with other listings.
Term
take the parts off, take the parts off and sell them separately
They’re saying to remove valuable add-ons from the car before you sell it, then sell those add-ons on their own. That can make you more money, but you have to make sure the car still looks good without them.
Term
prep your car for sale
It means getting the car ready to sell so it looks its best and seems trustworthy. Simple things like cleaning and addressing small problems can help you get a better response from buyers.
Term
photos where there's three different, you're in eight different environments
They’re talking about how confusing or suspicious it can look when the car photos seem to be from totally different places or times. Clear, consistent photos make it easier for buyers to trust what they’re seeing.
Term
different exhaust
If the photos show different exhaust setups, buyers may wonder which one is actually on the car. Exhaust can change how the car sounds and feels.
Term
different wheels
They’re pointing out that if the photos show different wheel styles, buyers may not know what they’re actually getting. It can make the listing feel less trustworthy.
Term
gated manual
A “gated manual” uses a shifter mechanism with defined shift positions (the “gate”), so the lever moves through specific slots rather than freely across the pattern. That usually changes the tactile feel—often described as more precise and mechanical—compared with a standard H-pattern manual.
Term
standard manual
A “standard manual” is the normal kind of stick shift most cars use. The hosts are comparing it to a gated manual to explain why the shifting feel can be different.
Term
gearbox
The gearbox is the part of the car that actually changes gears. It contains the internal parts that decide which gear you’re in, even if the outside pieces that guide the shifter are removed.
Term
shift pattern
The shift pattern is the map of the gears—where the shifter needs to go for each one. In a gated manual, that map is enforced by the mechanism so you can’t easily move into the wrong place.
Concept
mechanical shift feel (auditory clack)
Some cars make shifting feel and sound more “real,” like you’re directly moving metal parts into place. That clack and feedback can make it feel more precise, even if it’s not required for the gears to work.
Concept
extreme precision
They mean the car’s shifting feels very exact. That helps you land in the right gear more easily and reduces mistakes.
Term
mis shifts
A mis-shift is when you accidentally put the car into the wrong gear. On performance cars, that can be rough on the transmission, so systems that prevent it are helpful.
Term
gear gate
A “gear gate” is the shaped path in a manual/sequential shifter that physically limits where the lever can move. When the gate is well-defined, it becomes much harder to miss a gear because the shifter naturally guides you into the correct selection.
Term
valley, it sits in
They’re describing a shaped area in the shifter mechanism. It helps the lever “drop” into the right gear so you’re less likely to miss.
Concept
you can't move it left or right
They’re saying the shifter doesn’t have much freedom to move sideways. That makes it harder to accidentally choose the wrong gear.
Brand
Italian
The host attributes the described shift feel/precision to an “Italian thing,” implying certain Italian performance brands emphasize mechanical gating and tactile shift guidance. That’s a design philosophy more common in some European sports cars than in mass-market shifters.
Term
kick cars
“Kick cars” is slang for cars that are modified or driven in a way that emphasizes aggressive shifting and audible mechanical feedback—often associated with loud, intentional gear-change sounds. In this segment, it’s tied to how the shift/plate setup affects noise quality.
Term
plate that's also too thin
They’re talking about a metal plate inside the shifter mechanism. If it’s too thin, it can flex or move, and the car ends up sounding rough and “clicky” when you shift.
Term
shiny knob
A “shiny knob” is a reference to a visually flashy gear-shifter knob, often chosen for style and tactile feel. In this segment it’s part of the hosts’ banter about preferences—showy details versus how the car actually drives and sounds.
Car
Audi R8
The Audi R8 is a supercar from Audi. People often talk about how it sounds and how it feels to drive, and here they’re saying they didn’t like the R8 because it doesn’t match the vibe they expect.
Car
Lamborghini Mercilago
The Lamborghini Murciélago is a classic Lamborghini supercar. Here they’re talking about how the manual shifter feels—especially how the shifter action is connected to the gearbox—compared with a different Lamborghini.
Car
Lamborghini Gallardo
The Lamborghini Gallardo is a V10 supercar from Lamborghini. The hosts are comparing it to the Murciélago and saying the way the shifter is connected (via a cable) can change how nice the manual feels.
Term
cables
Some cars connect the shifter to the gearbox using cables. Cables can make the shift feel a little less crisp, because there’s more “give” in the connection.
Topic
YouTube channel in the UK
The hosts are explaining that they’re producing a YouTube video for their UK channel, which frames why they’re filming and coordinating car footage. This is more about the content process than car tech, but it’s a clear segment topic.
Concept
GoPro
A GoPro is a tiny camera you can mount on a car or helmet to film driving. They’re talking about whether theirs is turned on/recording for the video.
Term
car silhouette dealer
They’re talking about a common marketing trick: using a car’s outline (a silhouette) to tease what’s coming. It’s basically a way to hint at a specific car without showing it fully yet.
Concept
Gran Turismo shot
They’re comparing the teaser image style to how cars are shown in the Gran Turismo video game—like a dramatic, cinematic preview. It’s a way to describe the look of the silhouette.
Concept
international symbol of a car dealer, a car tuner
They’re riffing on the idea of having one simple logo that instantly tells you “this is a car shop.” It’s like how some signs are universal so people know what to expect right away.
Car
Chevrolet Bel Air
They mention a “Chevy Bel Air,” which is a classic Chevrolet. The “V” doesn’t clearly match an official Bel Air trim, so it may just be how they’re describing a logo or version they saw.
Car
TVR Tuscan
The segment specifically references a “Tuscan” TVR with a distinctive “flip paint” finish, and then discusses common issues on Tuscan models. The host says a major issue can be backfiring during startup, and notes the car’s enclosed air box is difficult to access, which can complicate troubleshooting.
Term
fuel lines
Fuel lines are the hoses/pipes that deliver gas to the engine. People were suggesting they might be the problem, but the host thinks the issue is probably not the fuel lines themselves.
Term
backfire
Backfire is when the engine makes a loud bang during starting, instead of running smoothly right away. It usually means the fuel/air/ignition isn’t lining up perfectly for the first few seconds.
Term
enclosed air box
The air box is the part that holds the air filter and channels air into the engine. Here, the host says it’s enclosed and difficult to reach, so it’s harder to inspect if something is going wrong.
Term
bonnet is not accessible
“Bonnet” just means the hood over the engine. If you can’t get to it easily, you can’t reach the problem fast, so it’s harder to stop damage if something catches fire.
Term
plastic intake
The intake is the tubing that brings air to the engine. If a flame/backfire gets into that tubing and it’s plastic, it can catch fire fast.
Term
air filter
The air filter cleans the air before it goes into the engine. If fire reaches it, it can burn and help the fire spread.
Car
Tesla 36 Model
The Tesla Model 3 is an electric car, meaning it runs on electricity instead of gasoline. It’s built as a regular, practical sedan for daily driving. The podcast mentions it as a common model the speakers have seen or discussed.
Term
cams
Cams (camshafts) help control when the engine’s valves open and close. If the cams aren’t the right ones, the engine can feel different—like less power or a different power band.
Car
Lamborghini Huracan
The Lamborghini Huracan is a very high-end supercar made by Lamborghini. Here they’re talking about a special police version (with “Polizia” markings) that’s still running on its original engine after an enormous amount of driving.
Term
Polizia
“Polizia” just means “police” in Italian. The hosts are pointing out that this Huracan had police-style markings and branding.
Concept
original engine at extreme mileage
Keeping the same engine working after a huge number of miles is a big deal. It usually means the car was cared for properly and didn’t have major engine problems.
Car
Huracan
The Lamborghini Huracán is a supercar. The hosts are saying it can be surprisingly reliable, especially if it’s been cared for properly, which makes it feel more “livable” than you’d expect for a car like this.
Concept
religiously maintained
“Religiously maintained” emphasizes that long-term reliability is strongly tied to consistent service—oil changes, inspections, and addressing small issues early. The hosts imply that the Huracán’s high mileage is believable largely because it’s been cared for properly.
Concept
300,000 miles
300,000 miles is a huge number for a supercar. The point is that this one has lasted that long, which suggests it’s not automatically doomed to expensive failures.
Concept
engine rebuilds
An engine rebuild means the engine gets taken apart and repaired so it can run like it should again. If someone mentions “how many engine rebuilds,” they’re basically asking how often the car needed major work to keep going.
Concept
mileage accrued
Mileage accrued just means how the car ended up with its total number of miles. The same odometer number can mean very different wear depending on how the car was driven.
Concept
20,000 miles a year
20,000 miles a year is a lot of driving. If a car racks up miles that fast, it’s more likely to need regular maintenance and could wear out parts sooner than a car that only gets driven occasionally.
Car
Renault Zoe
A Renault Zoe is an electric Renault hatchback. The hosts are joking that if police were chasing someone in a Zoe, it would be a very different kind of police car than what people expect.
Company
Bosch
Bosch is a well-known company that supplies parts to car makers. Here it’s mentioned like a brand you’d see associated with the car or its setup.
Car
Subaru WRX
The Subaru WRX is a sporty Subaru with strong acceleration and grip, often associated with rally racing. The hosts are saying it’s a cool choice compared to more boring police cars.
Car
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
An Evo is a fast Mitsubishi sedan that’s known for rally-style performance. In the conversation, it’s brought up as another cool car people would recognize.
Car
Vauxhall Corsa
The Vauxhall Corsa is a common small car. The point of mentioning it is that even regular-looking cars can be driven aggressively enough that you’d still pull over.
Term
RS6
RS6 refers to a very fast Audi model. The hosts are using it as a benchmark for “serious speed,” even though the exact point they’re making is a bit unclear in the transcript.
Term
M40
The M40 is a UK highway. They’re talking about how driving culture or behavior can vary depending on where you are.
Term
warp speeder
“Warp speeder” here is basically a funny way to say “driving really fast” or “accelerating hard.” It’s not a specific car part or system.
Car
Lamborghini LP640 police car
That “LP640” is a Lamborghini Gallardo version. It’s not a normal police car—it's basically a flashy, high-performance Lamborghini that would be used for show or special attention. The hosts are comparing how people would react back then versus now.
Term
finance deal
A “finance deal” usually means the vehicle was obtained through financing (like a lease or loan) rather than being paid for outright. In the context of a police Lamborghini, it’s a reminder that even exotic cars can be justified to budgets through structured payments. Listeners may want to think about how public agencies manage costs and procurement.
LIVE
Can I feel my passenger's knee next to me?
Absolutely.
Can I feel the person behind me's knee in my back?
Absolutely.
But at least my car looks like a piece of shit.
I don't have the same thing.
I really like cars.
I go through hours of my day.
I don't think about cars.
Tough.
I hate to hear that.
Everyone has their own taste.
They're like bum holes.
Everyone's got them.
And none of them taste great.
Hello and welcome back to the 79th Cars Rule Everything Around Me
podcast, the cream podcast with myself, Edwin, Ben behind the camera.
Hello.
Yeah.
Call you out and then William to my left at the beginning of every single
podcast, we answer the question, the cars rule or ruin everything around us.
This week will let's look into the future.
Let's let's get the crystal ball out, folks, because what's happened?
What's happening?
Let's call it a rule.
So now I can speak about things again.
We're slightly in the past or the future past the future.
We're in the future right now.
So this Sunday, I'm going to an auction, as many of you have already figured out.
There is a Mercia logo coming up for an auction at Bonham's this weekend on Sunday.
I'm not totally confident because it's a very sought after carbon.
There's little details about it that give me some hope that it is possible.
So the glado is gone, is basically gone.
The Range Rover is going basically gone.
The Clio is gone.
There is a new daily, which we'll speak about in a moment.
And the anything left is a McGann.
But yeah, most of the auction this weekend, next week's podcast,
we will know the result by the time that you're hearing this,
the auction law have already been.
Yeah, it is happening for us in a few days, but that is in the future.
So you may be sitting there listening to this and will maybe a Mercia logo on it.
I might you may not be I could be the saddest man alive.
The next podcast will either be a very joyous or a very sad one.
It's it's not it has been stressing me out for weeks.
And I I can't actually wait for the date to be gone.
Like whatever the result is, then it's it's done and dusted.
It's confirmed, but I have done so much research, doing numbers,
seeing research on auction prices, trying to figure out what's what.
But realistically, I just need to wait.
The auction is the auction.
I have I have I have asked some questions early just to see if there was a possibility
of buying it beforehand.
But these cars are worth so much money and there's so many people interested.
I don't know.
And there is a potentially very interesting backup.
If there is, but we won't talk about that.
We won't jinx it.
We're not going to say anything either way.
Good luck, Will, for the future and past.
I don't know.
If you're hearing this, you know about the backup.
You do know about the backup.
No idea.
You know, it's the very well-known one.
You know about this.
You will talk about this.
I'll tell you.
But anyway, so that's possibility.
But on the absolute other end of the spectrum,
the video will be out in a week or two, I guess.
I think it's probably a couple of weeks.
We won't reveal any prices, but you've bought a new daily.
There are a bit too.
There are two alpha 159s at the moment.
What does that mean?
There's one outside that was very cheap.
And there's one behind us, which was basically the exact same price.
And there was a budget and I came under budget.
Yeah, quite quite considerably.
Spectacularly under budget.
So the one that's outside, I have actually been driven to work two times now.
And it seems to be going OK.
It's not quite the spectrum I was looking for, but the one behind me is.
So the idea being I've bought two.
The one behind us, which is a black TI, which is a nice spec,
is not the right engine, not the right gearbox, and it's a bit of a dog.
Yeah, this one really is a breaker for the money, but I wanted it for the interior.
So the plan is to make one good car out of two.
But I bought this car Facebook marketplace.
A site of dreams.
A lovely guy, but he felt a little bit dodgy.
Different names handed out.
But obviously today's podcast is sponsored by CarVertical once again,
and they came in clutch on this car because I couldn't go and see it
because it was miles away and it was cheap enough that I kind of was happy
for someone to go and get it and bring it back.
But obviously I wanted to run a CarVertical.
There were little elements of the sale where I thought,
is this guy just trying to fob it off?
Even though it's a cheap car, does it have finance on it?
Has it been crashed or something like that?
So I ran a CarVertical check on it and actually this car came back really clean.
It's just got 220,000 miles.
It's had a lot of work and it's just a little bit rough, but CarVertical was all good.
Yeah, shout out CarVertical.
There was a small room from us because we were bidding on an EK Civic as well today,
which we lost out on, but that CarVertical came back clean and prim and proper.
We always run one before we buy a car.
Shout out CarVertical.
You get 20% off if you use our code CREAM at the checkout
and you can bundle a load of them together, get up to 50% off when you're doing your checks.
Don't leave any stone unturned.
Get a car checked.
Just don't get caught out.
So shout out to them.
Yes, and my 159.
Just doing so.
I'm now really looking forward to combining these two cars
because the spec that that one will become wasn't really a thing
in that color with the wheels and the seats and I think it's going to be really nice.
So for the money, I'm driving it and it's not perfect by any means,
but for the money, I'm expecting it to go down the road vibrating and shaking
and making horrible noises and it's just sort of fine.
It's just a car.
We're yet to actually inspect it, but we'll see.
I would call it a ruin overall, but there's a tenuous...
Sorry, that's not true.
I just said the wrong word.
I've called it a rule overall because of the 159,
but there's a tenuous ruin in the distance.
Benjamin, I'm throwing it back to you.
Whoa.
I'm a rule.
Why is that, then?
We went to Bista Food and Fuel.
Well, we did, didn't we?
Well, two of us did.
Everyone coming to Bob was to show up.
Yes.
I think you showed it, it did show up.
That's true, right?
Everyone showed up using the facilities and then left.
We'll get onto that very briefly in a moment.
We went to Food and Fuel.
Long way to go.
We showed Saturday.
Yes.
And what the S2000?
You did it.
And we said it couldn't be done.
It was great.
It drove up and down to Bista.
And yeah, it was good.
Shout out to everyone that we met.
That was great.
What did you feel towards the car doing that trip?
I just sat on the roadway, so I didn't really...
So you felt that.
You know what, Ben?
I don't think your heart's in it with the S2000.
No, it is.
It is.
I like it a lot.
There was a...
I don't know.
I bought it back from...
Yeah, back from the storage.
No, back from here.
Oh.
When I went home, I went to get fuel.
And there's a stretch from the unit to the fuel station, which was quite nice.
And I had the roof down, sunset.
That was good.
Do you think it's...
You need more sun?
Yeah, sun.
Yeah.
You need...
I think you need that noise.
Yeah.
You need to get that done.
It's not made for the motorways.
It wasn't really the best journey up and down.
I mean, the goal was better for that.
Even though going to a show is good, you know?
It's not...
It ain't going for a drive.
No.
It's not going for a blast.
It's cool to see it.
Surely it must have been nice to see it.
Shiny.
Yeah.
Looking clean and with all the other stuff.
People pointing out your car.
That was nice.
The other thing was that I didn't...
I was just worried about getting dirty.
I heard you got a great gift.
Now...
Yeah.
Somebody gave me a present...
What's it called?
A bottle bag?
Present bag?
Okay.
A gift bag.
That's the word?
That's the one.
A gift bag.
I opened it and it was just a bottle of oil.
No to oil, though.
Very clean.
I haven't told you that.
You ever did that?
Very clean work.
But jokes on you, I needed some.
So thanks very much for that.
And shout out to everyone we met because...
Well, me and Will met a lot of people.
We did, yeah.
You were all very lovely and it was nice to meet some creamers in real life.
Shout out to the creamers.
Yeah.
I want to take...
I want to get back onto that.
We're not done with you yet.
I'm just going to go into my ruin a little bit for a second, which was because I turned
up to Feud and Feel.
I had three of my cars there.
My eight series came back from Chris at Imagination Creations.
Super happy with that.
Over the moon.
Got that transported.
Got my girlfriend to drive the Clio because I was like, this would be great.
I'll drive the Tuscan.
Ben, you saw a sight out of your hotel window in the morning.
Yeah.
I was about to leave.
So hotel.
So I opened the curtains and I was opening the curtains.
It looked out onto...
It's not a dual carriageway, like a multi-lane road with a roundabout.
I call it a dual carriageway.
Onto a round...
But a dual carriageway...
But a lot of times in my life, I think, like just like a main road, right?
What is?
I don't know why I'm specifying this.
And I opened the window and no one would have liked it.
The first thing I saw was a green TVR just doing a skid.
Like, open the window, first bit of daylight and it was you.
I was already at the show by then.
So it wasn't me.
Obviously that's different.
I thought you'd get there early because you didn't leave early, didn't you?
Well, exactly.
I arrived there bright and early, happy, excited to see everyone.
And then I thought, I feel a bit weird.
I'll spare you the details, but all ends of me were upset all day.
I think that might have been...
All ends.
All ends.
Oh, all right.
Every end.
Now that was the details.
No, it could get worse.
But what I will say is I was like, I'm just going to find my way through.
This is fine.
And then I went, I need to throw up.
And so I ran to the toilet cubicles and there was...
I was in a line, toilet cubicles, trying not to throw up.
And the guy behind me in the line said, I really like videos, lots of stuff.
I was like, oh, thank you very much, man.
Trying not to throw up while saying thank you.
And he said, can I get a video?
Can I get a photo with you?
And I was like, yeah, sure.
So he took a photo and the toilet cubicle opened up and the man who would have just taken a
photo would have watched me walk into the toilet cubicle and violently throw up.
And it was after that point, it deteriorated more and I had to get my girlfriend to drive
me home.
So I'm very sorry.
I'm sorry that I missed all of you.
I was actually really upset that I missed it because it was looking like it was going
to be a great day.
And that's why we don't eat seafood pizzas before we go to Food and View.
Unlike before Food and View.
It's from an Italian restaurant that you've never been to before.
That's exactly it.
So you know what?
Lesson learned.
See you at Shedfest.
I apologize profusely.
But it was, oh yeah, that's a small rule.
But let's go back to you.
It's ruined for that.
Ben, let's go back to you because I've heard something.
I heard lots of rumblings, you know, from things I missed.
Yes, yes, yes.
But when you arrived, you had some issues getting in.
No, I didn't.
How many issues getting in?
I made a, I had said one thing which I don't want to say it.
Right.
So because this came from, this came from your girlfriend.
So she was there.
She was there.
Eyewitness statement.
Yeah.
There was no one else there.
There's no, you heard it here third.
This came from the horse's mouth.
Just want to let everyone know that this isn't true.
But go on.
I don't think it isn't not true.
It isn't true.
No, no, no, no.
Let's just say.
Perhaps the meaning was different and perhaps there was some mumbling involved.
Here's what we'll do.
We'll tell the source's story and then we'll let, you know, the defendant rebut.
A source close to Benjamin Rogers told us on Saturday he arrived at the event.
And we had these like staff passes basically.
All going fine so far.
You know, and he showed the staff passes.
Is this still correct?
Have a gate coming.
We got there about.
I don't want to hear anymore.
Hang on.
Just yes or no.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
You showed the pass to the attendant.
Yes, sir.
Correct.
Just yes.
It's fine.
And they didn't recognize your pass.
Is that correct?
No.
That's not correct.
I just, I just showed it to them and then I said.
Oh, okay.
That's worse.
That's much worse.
That is worse.
The story has really taken a turn.
So you showed them the pass that already said your stuff.
And not only were they cool with that, like they were happy to go with that.
You then looked at them dead in the eyes and said, I am the show.
Because what I was told is that your past, they weren't, they weren't,
they weren't gelling with the past.
They weren't happy with it.
And when they said, you said to try and bolster your credentials that,
well, I'm not a staff.
I am the show.
Take a look around, buddy.
There you go.
The most arrogant man alive.
Arrived at Food and Fuel.
No, I'll tell the real story.
Please.
I arrived at Food and Fuel at just about 8.30 a.m.,
which is earlier than when other people, like the spectators arrive.
They arrive at 10.30.
Quick flex on the spectators.
Because we had to get there early.
You were told to get there early.
So I got there early and I was quite tired.
Am I, and you know.
Race driver excuses, fine.
Sure.
Yeah.
So as I arrived at the gate, the gate was, it was actually shut before.
Famously, how gates work.
Well, for the spectators, there will be an attendant there.
So there's a man in a box next to the gate.
He's in the box.
He's in the box.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Tell the story.
So we have this pass on our phone.
Yep.
And I showed it to them and basically he looked at me confused.
I showed it to him and I said, I'm with the event.
It's what I said.
Now, in doing that, I did mumble.
And when my girlfriend hurt, I turned around and she went, yeah, no worries, mate.
Let me through.
I looked around to look at my girlfriend who looked fairly shocked.
And she said, why did you say that?
And I said, what do you mean?
And then she heard me say, I am the event, which is not what I said at all.
But she didn't proceed to find it very funny to tell everyone else.
So and then.
Ben was deeply disappointed.
But when it came out, I could see his face.
Just look as if to say, they're going to, they're going to both find out about this.
They're going to take it as they are.
I literally, I looked across and I said, this is great.
This one's got legs.
Was it, was it sping gate?
Was that feeling of that, that, you know, sinking feeling of.
No, because that was that, at least that happened.
Yeah.
Are you saying your girlfriend's lying?
No, she didn't hit.
I was just mumbled.
I'm not denying I mumbled, but I didn't.
And the guy might have heard that.
That's what it is.
We need to get the gate attendants side of the story.
If you're a creamer, please do get in touch.
Why would I say that?
Well, after all, it's your show.
I hate it.
I hate it.
Because it's not true.
I am the Senate.
So, yeah, so I just, so what is that?
A rule or a ruin overall?
Well, that situation was very much a ruin, wasn't it?
But overall was a rule.
Okay.
It was a good show though.
It was a really good show.
It was actually almost double.
It was double almost treble, I think the size in terms of people and cars.
It was like the car park before.
It felt pretty big, but not this time.
It was the grass just was cars as the far as the ours.
Words are not coming out.
Cars as far as the eye can see.
I think nearly 4,000.
I think was needed.
I think even more.
Wow.
So the next one will be Shelsley Walsh, August the 11th.
Yeah.
22nd.
That's the one, isn't it?
And there's another one at Bista.
And then in October at Bista.
It's similar to what we did last weekend.
It's just a really cool spot.
Like it is for us.
I know we're part of it.
So we've, I think we've said this before, but it's the only car show where there's good food.
And for us big boys, that matters.
The food there is amazing.
Shout out Tacos L Pat, which is Latham Patworth, who is the guy that I bought the beat parts off.
He was there last weekend.
Oh really?
And you saw him?
I didn't.
That wasn't there.
I had a lovely pizza.
Where would you have?
I had Gertwings.
It was lovely.
It really was lovely.
Nice.
I, I'm going to say I am, but despite that, right, putting that aside, I'm a rule because the eight series came back.
Yeah.
And it looks really good.
It looks really, really good.
I've, that car, I think I talked about on the podcast.
I said I was going to sell it because I wanted to, I wanted to free up some money and I'd be very sad about selling it.
But it was probably time, it was probably time to do it.
I then,
What did you do?
Well, I kept it.
The next logical step was kept it.
I kept it.
What did you do?
The next logical step, I'm going to sell the car.
So what are you going to do?
Are you going to keep it?
I, right.
It's the same reason I haven't sold C55 AMG yet.
I hate selling cars that need work to people because I hate the idea of if it going to someone and then that person has a really tough time or hates it.
I hate that idea.
I'd rather sell it, which is probably what I'm going to do with the C55, just send it to be like we buy any car or something.
So the eight series, I knew there was bits of rust under the arch.
I could probably have gotten away with selling it.
But I thought, let me just give it to Chris at imagination creations, let him like sand it back and just see how bad the rust is.
It turned out the rust was bad, but quite bad.
It needed two recorders entirely.
So at that point, he was like, look, man, I can do the two recorders and the front wing that it needs.
But now 60% of the car is going to be mismatched to the other 50% that's original.
Shall we do you just want to keep it and then go around the whole car?
So that's what we did.
And there should be a video in a few weeks of that, of getting that back and doing some bits and bobs to it.
But it looks amazing.
I'm so glad I kept it now.
So I'm a rule for that.
That's that's my main reason.
It's tucked away at home.
I kind of didn't see it after Saturday.
I thought it came back.
I still need to do some other bits to get it back on the road.
The exhaust is how you say disconnected from the rest of the exhaust.
So it doesn't have an MOT.
You need to get that done.
But I need to do I need to retrim the interior because now the gray interior not working.
It's always been the worst part of that car.
Really?
It's quite tough.
Agreed.
So nice.
I'm thinking like a dark brown.
Will it not now be here for summer?
Yes.
No, I will.
What I want to do, I'm going to get the the headlining because that as we all know the
headlining it's it's it's like a billowy old tent.
It just kind of waves around.
I'm going to redo that with some scrim with some scrim in brown scrim.
I think is what we'll do.
And then I'll scrim.
I've got scrim.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like three, three mil scrim.
Okay.
There was a big thing back when he bought it.
He's actually tucked it away for a shave keeping.
Yeah.
No, it's actually somewhere up there.
So yeah, that we're going to redo the interior of that car at some point also speaking to
impulse.
That car's going to be cool.
And then a little bit of a nice upgrade on the automatic to a ZF.
But enough about that car.
Let's move on some anecdotes.
That's two rules.
That's three rules.
That's three rules.
We love to see it.
Tenuous one.
Also, I could easily switch to a ruin because I saw my blue Clio.
Oh, yeah.
Food and fuel.
That was very sad.
Oh, yeah.
Although then I did.
Yeah.
It did almost not make it in.
It broke down literally of entering the event.
But it did make it there.
Nonetheless, it was very upsetting.
It sent you away.
No, no, no.
I'm not going to.
Don't send me back.
Please.
But yes.
Also, my door handle fell off my again.
Anyway.
That was.
So you can go to a neckdote.
Sure.
A neckdote one.
Not included in the sale.
I put this in last week because I'm tired.
Okay.
This is mainly of this is mainly caught words.
This is mainly modified car.
Yeah.
Enthusiastic type car adverts where someone will list a car.
You say, oh, wow, look at that car.
That's really caught my eye.
Yeah.
Due to possibly the wheels, the modifications, whatever is on it.
And then you read through it and go, not included in the sale is the wheels and the
steering wheel, the turbo, the engine, the seat, whatever it is.
Why?
Why do that?
Do you know what?
I have a theory.
I have a theory.
It's because it's when the car looks good, you go and take that photo that you're
like, oh, that's a good looking car.
Yeah.
But then you go around and sell it.
I'm going to keep those wheels.
But you go, I don't have any photos of it on the other wheels looking good.
So you put that one up there to get everyone's attention.
Yeah.
They annoys me.
I do the same thing.
It just screams of you're just not prepared to sell it.
Yeah.
Basically.
It's like, so if I wanted to come and see the car, it isn't ready to go.
No.
I can't come and view the car because you go, oh, I've got to get the wheel.
And it'll always be only to get the wheels, but they're on my unit and then my desk unit
and all the other wheels there.
I've spread all four wheels at four corners of the country.
I've got to get those back.
And also, or it doesn't come on the plate.
I've got to take the plate.
Just prep the car for sale and put it up for sale.
I once went to go and look at an E36 that didn't come with wheels.
And there were, there was no backup wheels.
There were no wheels.
I had posted where I said, bring your own wheels.
That's exactly what I had to do.
I went to go and look at a black 36 saloon.
This was when I was maybe 19 or 20.
And I had, I didn't, I'd never owned a BMW up until that point.
So I went out and bought stock E36 wheels to go and look at the car.
The car turned out to be a dog.
So I went home and then had to sell the 36 wheels that I had no useful.
And there's always a post where it'll say it's eight grand as it sits, or it'll be
six and a half with the wheels or five with the, with the wheels and the shifter.
But it's like, but what, okay.
What am I being left with?
What are you giving me instead?
I was like, what, why am I going with your value for whatever that part is?
Are you just, am I just giving you whatever above market value is for these wheels?
I just don't, I don't like it.
Also, I think just list the, if you're going to take parts off, take the parts off
and sell them separately.
It's a, you know, it's probably not that bad of an issue, but it does anger me for some reason.
That's your, that's your rent of the week.
Don't do that.
Just prep your car for sale.
Also, don't do photos where there's three different, you're in eight different environments.
Agreed.
Here's a photo of me, of me.
Here's a photo.
Well, sometimes some of the things we've seen.
We play here's my car at the Nerva Green.
Okay, great.
Here's my car in the rain.
Here's my car in the dark.
Here's my car at the side of the road.
Every different wheels or different exhaust.
I'm like, what car am I buying?
What am I, it's going to put people off no matter what.
So sort it out guys.
What we got?
We need a guide.
Right.
Second anecdote.
It's not an anecdote with throwing in a curveball.
This is going to be a forum early doors.
What?
I mean, may even, depending on Benjamin's condition, have a second forum later on.
This is crazy.
No one's ever, see a cream's never seen this before.
This is a cream forum sandwich for you.
Here we go.
This is from Abbey Zeke.
Hello Abbey.
Instagram.
Hey Ben, little forum question for cream.
This is just for you then.
For cream.
Okay.
I am the show.
We've heard about gated manuals on the Lambo and the Ferrari, the Boys Drove.
But I was wondering, what is the difference both engineering-wise and driving-feel-wise
from a gated manual, a standard manual?
Interesting.
Okay.
Interesting.
Well, the basic difference is that a normal manual, you have a leather boot.
And if you remove it, sure, why not?
And if you remove that boot, you will find nothing.
It just goes down to the gearbox.
The gearbox is there and the shift pattern is inside the gearbox.
The gated manual has a plate that kind of sits on top by the gear shifter.
That is what is limiting you going into different gears.
It holds you in that pattern.
But the reason that people care about it from a driving standpoint is because you get a nice
click.
You get this auditory clack into each gear and it just feels, it feels a lot more mechanical,
I guess, is the right word to use.
It doesn't necessarily need it.
No, such.
If you took the plate off, you'd still change gears.
It will still work.
It's obviously easy.
And it gated.
It means also it's, I'm assuming, I don't know, maybe there's like an old motorsport thing
in there.
I don't know where it's like you are assured to go into the gear that you're looking for.
I don't know.
That's just me making shit up off top of my head that I don't know if maybe an older gearbox
was a bit more of a slop machine.
But yeah, the, the noise also because it's metal and metal normally.
So you have that, you have that, that noise.
Sorry.
Oh, sure.
I don't want to hear that noise from you again.
It is there to provide extreme precision, prevent driver error, brackets, mis shifts and protect
high performance gearboxes.
So, yeah.
So to stop you from wazzing it in the wrong.
In a gate, it is very difficult to miss.
Yeah.
To actually miss a gear because everything is so, so separate.
Because of the little, um, uh, valley, it sits in.
Okay.
All sort of the area that it clicks into gear.
You can't move it left or right.
Yeah.
So it feels a lot more.
Sure.
I mean, that, that noise, fine with any of that makes sense.
Yeah.
I think it does.
It's not how many cars we, it's an Italian thing really.
Yeah.
And our eights have.
Our eights have it.
And there's other than that, not really.
I don't know.
I always used to want it when I was like, like 19 or 20, when I had a Brera, I was like,
it's a manual, it's an Italian car.
In hindsight, that would have been dreadful.
People do it on MX fives, especially when they do, well, they're just, they do it on MX fives
in general, but especially when they do the kick cars.
You see these horrible, nasty plate that's also too thin so it doesn't make the noise.
That's the one thing.
The plates on a gated manual are very thick so that there's no movement in that metal
when you do it.
If it's too thin, you just get like a really nasty, clicky noise.
It's not good.
You've forgotten something.
What's that then?
Shiny.
Yeah, sure.
And that as well.
Magpie type beat.
Love a shiny knob.
Not always shiny though.
No.
Diablo one, isn't it?
But Diablo has the.
It's still, it's still.
But the actual metal plates.
It just looks, looks.
I don't think it's a plastic one.
That's why I never liked the R8 ones because they always look, they don't sound the same.
They sound a bit more.
But yeah, I'm a big fan of a, of a gated manual.
I really am.
How about you have one on like a Mercilago?
Or like, maybe next week.
Well, we all.
How to go in one.
And it was, I will say that the gated manual in the Mercilago is considerably nicer than
the Gallardo one.
I don't have a theory for that as well.
And I think it's because there's no, there are kind of cables.
But in a Mercilago, you're changing gear like at the gearbox, whereas in a Gallardo,
there is a cable going all the way to the back.
Ben's got a question.
And also for those listening, if you, if we don't know if we was one, the Mercilago
for a week or so to tie you over, perhaps tomorrow night, there'll be a little video
on a Mercilago that we drove.
Is that true?
Yes.
That is true.
That Blake Sandberg.
He let us drive his Mercilago in America.
We also realized that we would have said yes after him saying, do you want to drive the
car?
I said, yeah, there'll be a video sometime soon.
And then nine months, nine months later, as that whole ass baby.
Did you think, did you think, did I just let three random guys drive my car for no reason?
No, no, we are a YouTube channel in the UK.
We'll make a video.
Yeah.
He looks over at the GoPro.
There's no light on it.
But that is coming.
What we got next, what we have next is, is it?
Oh, car silhouette dealer.
There you go.
Well, Edward and I spoke about this the other day.
I think it was a car we saw for sale or something we saw somewhere.
Why does every workshop, body shop, anything, a tuning place, a car dealership, they have
the silhouette.
Now it's not always the same silhouette.
No, but it is a variation.
It is always a silhouette of some variety.
We've got it on the screen here and it's like a, it's not a full silhouette.
It's the, it's very edge of the light leaks as if you were to take it like a very Gran Turismo
shot, like a sort of teaser of something.
Yeah.
Where do they come from?
And it will, and it will say auto house, auto, or, or, or the, or the motor lounge.
Cars limited limited.
No, no, no shade to any of those companies, but it is always this.
It just looks the same.
I think it's time for a change.
Yeah.
Well, what, what, Ben, you must now come up with, it's going to be the international
symbol of a car dealer, a car tuner.
It's, it's the new go-to.
What's it going to be?
You know the Londoner underground?
Sure.
That logo with the text going through the middle.
And it says cars.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, nice.
Cars for London.
That's for free.
That one.
That's anyone you're going to get.
Okay.
I would go with it's a cog.
Oh, the smallest one.
It's a gear box.
It's a car with a wrench sort of hammer and sickle.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sort of that style, a bit Soviet, but sort of the modern twist.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's, it's the people's mechanic.
It is absolutely.
Everything's.
I'm just taking, I'm taking the actual logo from the cars movie that like the Chevy
Bel Air V.
Cars.
Okay.
And that's it.
Everyone must use the same cars.
Okay.
Cars will now, whether you're a mechanic, whether you're a car dealer, we're all cars
at the end of the day.
I think what we've all come up with is pretty dreadful.
Yeah.
No, no better.
Do you know what?
Continue with the silhouettes.
But I like to look at the silhouette and go, what car is that?
Yeah.
Sometimes it is.
That is,
But that was, it was sort of like a TT mixed with an advantage.
But then some of them are, they're just straight up a car.
Maybe it's a GTR or something like that.
Where did you, who chose this?
I want to know who's making them?
Someone's making a load of money.
Someone's selling a silhouette.
Someone on Fiverr is actually racing.
We are in the wrong, we are in the wrong business.
Perhaps TDC's logo will change.
You know what?
As a little bit, a little bit of cream merch.
You just have cream, but with a silhouette.
It's just a ninky-nunk silhouette.
Cream cars limited, limited motor trade limited.
Next up on anecdotes is a piece of news.
This is all going to be news to you.
Third, third, a TVR soundfire.
Right.
Look, we've said this before.
We appreciate the contact from everyone.
And it's the 90% of you are understand.
I have received more messages about this bloody TVR on fire
than I have perhaps anything else.
I'd say upwards of three to 400 people have sent me this.
I know.
Okay.
Please.
I'm not trying to be ungrateful.
But yes, I'll put a video up on here if you haven't seen.
Very sad.
I'm really sad.
It's really sad.
There's a guy on Instagram called Tuscan underscore speed.
He had a beautiful flip paint Tuscan.
I don't have from memory.
I think it's either exactly swordfish or very close sword.
But yeah, he tried to start up.
I had a load of people saying, check your fuel lines,
check your fuel lines from what I can tell.
It's not the fuel lines.
Fuel lines aren't really the issue.
They're not that much of an issue on Tuscans.
One of the biggest issues on them is they can backfire on a
startup.
They have an enclosed air box that you can't get to.
Remember the bonnet is not accessible.
The backfire goes back into the plastic intake,
catches on the air filter and it goes up in flames and you
can't get to it.
So it's quite hard to save.
But unfortunately, yeah, that car is now is gone.
It's dead.
So very shout out to you.
Sorry, you had to deal with that.
I can't imagine how upsetting that would be.
Also just nothing you can do to stop it.
Nothing you can do at all.
But luckily, no one hurts, no house destroyed.
No.
I think he just said there was some hedge singeing and some
other sort of burns elsewhere, but nothing major.
It is just a car.
But it is a TV on Tuscan.
Yeah.
In a very nice color.
So sad.
I thought it was AI at first.
A lot of people smoke look kind of crazy.
But then I also saw a video from the after.
After Martha is very sad.
Yeah.
I saw people even in the aftermath being like,
that's AI.
Obviously, you know, I'm going to stage my car burning down
and then do a follow up video risking people finding out
by posting more AI.
Yeah.
Nice one.
Insurance company are onto it.
Speaking of TVRs, you're having some trouble with the
Tuscan owners.
Okay.
Now I've been debating talking about this for a while.
I think I might have actually talked about it before.
The TVR Tuscan owners group.
It's a close knit bunch of people who are very passionate
about the TVR Tuscan.
I joined it over a year ago when we were doing our Tuscan
versus N3 Supercharge video.
I put a post in there saying, does anybody have a Tuscan
they'd let me drive?
We'd like to do this video.
And about two months later, I went back to it because I was
like, let me see what Tuscan is around.
And I couldn't find the group anymore on my Facebook.
It was gone.
I was like, that's weird.
Let me, let me look on someone else's Facebook.
And the group was there.
Still private.
I couldn't see it, but I had been banned.
I was like, okay.
Well, clearly they weren't happy about me going in there
and asking for something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Great or good.
And so what I did maybe a little bit sneakily is I got
my girlfriend's Facebook and I joined the Tuscan owners
group again.
And that worked until about because it was right when I
was bidding on my car.
I wanted to see if anybody had posted about it.
And I checked a week and a half ago and my girlfriend had
been banned.
And I was like, what's, what's going on?
Why is the sheepy man?
So I went and found the admin on her page and there he was.
So I was like, right, let me message him from my, from my,
my Facebook.
He blocked me.
I couldn't find his account because he'd blocked me.
I think he'd blocked me too.
So they've taken some sort of offense to me.
You're still out in the cold.
So I then, I then sent a new request for my girlfriend's
thing saying, hello, my name is Edwin.
I have not my girlfriend.
What's going on here?
Can you please add me back?
Cause I'm an owner now.
I have one of these cars.
What do I need to do?
And do you know what happened?
They just accepted her.
No response to me.
So she's now back in.
So I'm now browsing from her profile, but not from mine.
And they're not, they're not responding to me.
They won't say anything.
Strange power.
Do not go in and try and sort out yourselves.
You bunch of choppers.
That's not for you to do.
Please.
But perhaps someone you outbid.
They took it real serious.
Someone in there is like, no, no, he cannot be in it.
And he owns one now.
No, keep him out.
How dare he.
So that's why I put it in there.
It's Fort Knox.
I will be monitoring my different attempts to gain access.
It feels a bit mission impossible.
I'm like joining with different accounts.
If you go from anywhere from England, they go, no, it's bit neighborhood watch type.
They just sort of feel gathered together.
And we all agreed.
Edwin is banned.
Yeah.
God, I believe the reason is if they, if nobody posts, if you're not active enough,
they get rid of you.
Oh, wow.
If you're not posting.
Cause I never posted.
Fair.
But great.
Why, why is so why Facebook Facebook groups turn into this like weird little cult thing
where it's like, no, you're not one of us.
We're going to do that with the creamers.
If you're not active and you're not chatting in the comments, you're out.
You're gone.
Don't you don't even dare say that you're a creamer.
People listening in the car.
No, no, no, wait.
The office DM, I think this is something both you and I were told about at food and fuel
no less.
I don't know anything.
Do you want to say it?
Cause you'll say it better than I will.
For sure.
But I'll tell you up.
You finished me off.
Is there a photo for me to be opening?
There's a photo.
If you could ping the photo over to Edwin, this is in relation to the office.
I believe the U S office.
I've never watched it.
I have never watched it.
I've never watched it.
I've only seen clips.
I think clips are enough.
Um, but there is a model car on someone's desk.
I know this.
I know this.
Is it Stan Lee's desk?
No.
Why do I know?
I remember seeing this.
It's not a car.
It is.
Have a guess.
Why do I?
Is it next K8?
It's a 36.
Yeah.
It's a 36.
36.
But there's just this model and apparently it's in there for a bunch of different episodes,
but a very nice chap who met us at food and fuel last weekend and also last year as well
said, I have a little anecdote for you.
This just a random 36 model that's just in their, throughout loads of our office episodes,
just always there.
So like, what's the source of this?
Yeah.
Someone said about the 36.
36.
The Wurst of them.
But there we go.
I'd like an apology for these then because that is Stan Lee's desk.
Technically, it's the shared middle section between the two desks.
How dare you, Benjamin?
You can't confirm.
He's got the 36-vert.
Look at his face as well.
He knows it.
That's the face of a man whose door card's broken.
He has to jump over the door to get out.
That's why he got the third.
But if anybody has any knowledge on why this is, drop it in the comments or send a message.
Cool.
It might mean absolutely nothing.
But there could be a cool story in there.
Someone was just set dressing and went, I don't know, just nick that card.
I'll make that toy card.
I was like, rubbish card.
So I went, that's the 36-vert.
Yeah, chicken.
Have you not got a coupé?
Have you not got the M3?
And they go, well, the M3 in this country didn't come with the right cams.
So I went, yeah, saloon best card.
This one I did get sent, actually.
You've put this in here.
Benjamin, the Italian police Lamborghini Huracan.
Yes.
That is very, very cool.
I'm interested about this.
You know that car, right?
Yes.
That's very famous.
Many of you will know it.
Because there was that police livery, the Polizia.
Because there was a glado first.
It was a glado.
And then obviously there was the Huracan.
I always thought they were a bit of a, like, hey, this is a police Huracan.
But they don't let you do anything.
It just goes away to a museum or something.
But that car is now on 358,000 kilometers.
Really?
On the original engine.
On its original engine.
No way.
That is 220,000 miles.
God, imagine Italian police behind the wheel.
Imagine the things.
That thing has seen some speeds.
That is crazy.
Now, possibly the most reliable supercar.
I don't really think the Huracan as like an entry.
I know it's still extremely expensive, but as an entry level thing where you're like,
not hugely worried about engine gearbox, whatever, all the major bits going wrong.
Huracan's it.
Because that engine, because probably because Audi's involved in it.
Yeah.
It's just exception.
It's just exceptionally reliable.
You could twin turbo it.
I don't think it would last that long twin turbo.
But just a great engine.
Also, to be fair, it will have obviously been maintained quite.
Yeah, religiously.
They're going to maintain it.
But still, even if, you know, they're probably going to go for even 100K on one of those is
mental.
How many miles was it?
220,000 miles or 358,000.
I was about to say, is it more than the big we were talking about?
Is it more than the big M's?
Big M.
So that we think might be the highest mileage.
Oh, the Merch Lager.
With 300,000 miles.
Over 300.
I blew it, Ben.
That was the retention we were going for.
Silly sausage.
I also said it at the same time.
How many engine rebuilds?
Now, but not all of it was because of its own doing.
If that makes sense.
There were issues that were not because of driving.
If that makes sense.
But I want to know what the mileage, how that has accrued that mileage.
Because also that is that amount of miles in a, what's Huracan?
2014?
2015?
It's 20,000 miles a year.
It's crazy.
So it must just be like going to all different police departments around Italy.
Just constantly up and down.
Just one police chief like, I'm off to Sicily, mate.
No, you do that every week.
Come on.
We're in Milan.
The miles are going up in this car, but I don't see it doing patrols.
Why is that?
It's, yeah.
No, I've taken it.
Don't worry about it.
In this situation, right, I'm Italian.
I'm getting arrested.
Can you?
What?
You're getting arrested.
Yeah.
Because I got a ride in the Huracan.
Oh, okay.
I don't think they're using it as like, you know.
What is it for?
Well, I think it's mainly for like, whoa, you know, guys, look, look how cool this is.
Then there is absolutely no reason to have that much mileage on it.
If it's a patrol car.
No, no, not patrolling, but to go into events and things.
But like, let's say there's events down at the bottom of the country and then there's
one at the top.
It's going all across to be like a promotional thing.
Now, I believe this very strongly about police cars.
And this is something we've lost in the UK.
Okay.
Actually, we never had it.
Okay.
Police cars.
Yeah, I don't want to say it.
Police cars should be like interesting cars.
Now, Ben, it's because you know, because if I'm, if I'm committing crimes, which I'm
not, I think you might have mentioned it before.
If I'm committing crimes and I'm getting chased by a Renault Zoe, I'm pretty confident.
Ben, you, you weren't, you don't, you're not aware of the Golden Age, the early 2000s
England, but even then they had like courses.
No, you, you little clown, you know, of the Lamborghini.
No, but not even that, the cars that you would actually see.
I'm going to pull it up.
I'm going to pull it up now.
Hold on.
I guess they've turned into the undercover police really now.
Now, Ben, this was, and I remember, I remember actually seeing one of these out on the road.
This is, this was an actual thing.
Here you go.
Bosch.
That's cool.
They had, oh, sorry.
What sort of reaction is that?
That's cool.
An impressive WRX.
And they also had Evos.
Evos.
At one point.
They had Evos.
I mean, you should, if that is patrolling around, I'm not messing because he's getting me.
But if it's a Renault Zoe or a Vauxhall Corsa.
Okay.
A short-reissue gearbox.
If you've got like an RS6, you'd do it on a motor.
On the M40, you'd warp speeder.
But Ben, are you actually telling me that if a Renault Zoe came on with its lights behind,
that you wouldn't still pull over?
Of course you would.
No, I would.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I'm saying that someone who was a crew.
Oh, a crib.
Yeah.
A person who doesn't care for a lot as it is, you should have a little bit of menacingness.
But I bet you they're going, well, this would be fun.
I was, I get to race an EVO.
Sure.
I'm going to do that.
That's what my thought would be.
But they'll get them though.
Yeah.
True.
We're going to keep the streets clean.
There was.
I think it was just a display thing, but it was genuinely like displayed by the police.
I saw it at, I want to say it was MPH07.
Like what used to be Top Gear Live or before Top Gear Live.
An LP640 police car.
Yeah.
Cool.
That's cool.
I have a video of it somewhere on an old YouTube channel, but it was, I remember seeing
it going, here you go.
Is this what the police have got these days?
Imagine the police these days in like, wow.
That's not happening these days.
No.
If the police said, right, here's our, here's our, here's our Roberto police car.
They would be outraged on the streets.
There would be people going, that's where my taxes are going.
Whereas back then it was like, wow.
That was a Lamborghini police car.
Amazing.
It was like 0708, everyone.
Not the time for this, if I'm honest.
I'm not saying that.
They got a great finance deal on it.
I'm not saying that it should be like Lamborghinis and stuff.
I'm just saying that it could be.
What's your, okay.
What's the perfect police car then?
Okay.
So at the minute we're talking.
We're talking brand spanking new because it needs to be scoffing you from manufacturer of the warranty.
We're talking of the different levels of police officers that get different cars.
I always feel like that might be the case.
I think, well, you have to be trained to do high speed stuff.
But as in like, if you're a brand new officer, you're not going to get given like the top-end cut.
I think that is a pretty fair idea to go with.
Okay.
So you start off with an RS3.
Sorry.
Okay.
Whoa.
Police officers crashing straight off the map.
Golf GTI or a Golf R.
Okay.
Lovely.
It's a start off.
It's still kind of...
Yeah, but because we're trying to be scary.
We're trying to get people.
Is that scary?
Would you say that's scary?
To...
Okay.
It's lowered.
Spaces.
More menacing.
There's fitment as much.
Obviously.
Police car goes fast.
I'm breaking my neck.
It has to stop for speed bumps.
I'm not curbing the Pretorias, mate.
Come on.
No.
I think a Golf R is good to start with.
Okay.
Lowest level police officer.
Then we're going to go to an RS3.
Sure.
Saloon.
Saloon.
Because otherwise it's too similar to the Golf.
Get the crims in the back.
Fine.
Then we're going to go to...
It's mostly...
The new C63.
Oh.
Full Saloon.
You know what?
Do you know what?
Fast, but humble.
At least there's a use for it.
Yeah.
There you go.
At least someone's buying them.
And then after that, we're going to go RS6.
RS6 was on my list.
I think that's a good plan.
RS6.
And then alongside the RS6, we'll have M5.
M5 wagon was my first.
That's what I was thinking.
M3 touring.
X5 then.
X5 then, but they're not loud BMWs anymore after the whole engine block thing.
They're not.
No, I think that's the whole...
In my world, they are.
They never did that.
That's fine.
I don't really care.
Top level.
What's the top level?
Top level is going to be a Eurus.
We need a nice...
We need something British, mate.
Yeah.
Oh, fine.
Do you know what?
And then...
An MG service.
So they catch you.
Right?
Sure.
But obviously like a lot of those cars are not necessarily the most practical to carry
a lot of criminals around then.
Yeah.
We'll catch a lot here because we're quick.
So then like a blacked out Range Rover appears to take you away.
Okay, nice.
Because as much as that will be comfortable and I'll be back there like...
Defender Octa.
New Defender.
Defender Octa as like...
It's like the need for speed of place guys.
200 miles an hour to catch everything.
So the Range Rover would be scary.
Also, if I got arrested and I'm like, yeah, you caught me.
And then a black Range Rover pulled up and they're like, you're going in that.
I'd be like, no, no, no.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
There's a reason I'm going to a black site and I'm having information extracted from
me.
If it had the sort of Bamberg on it, but it was, but it was still blacked out.
So it was all...
It was like...
Like stealth.
Stealth Bamberg.
A full stealth, but it's back, but it's got place.
Yeah.
As you read it until you're up close, be like, all right.
Okay.
And they've got like, they've got illegal tents and they've got like two lights up on the
top of it that have like lights on the Defender that flash forward.
And then when you're on the motorway, you know to get out of the way.
Is it green or is it yellow?
I saw the thought forming in Ben's mind.
He's like, this again.
Oh, we're back.
Yeah.
The rest of that is approaching fast.
Here's what I'm going.
I'd say, so we're going to do like, we're going to go back to like EVO spec stuff, not that
we have that anymore, but we...
It's going to be brand new.
No, I know.
I'm aware.
I'm sorry.
I like the RS3 idea, right?
Okay.
As the...
I was about to say dailies, not how that works for the police.
Yeah.
I got a project for lace car out of the back.
It's got like RS3s or something like that.
And then just fleets of smiley transits from the nineties.
Okay.
So when you get, when you get arrested, you go in the back of the transit and that's
not a good time for you.
That's not good.
So now everyone's like, slightly rusty.
Yes, Gabby.
Yeah.
You might cut yourself on something in the back.
There is what used to be a, in the back of it, like a plumber's like work bench that
you can see the outline of where it used to be.
It's got a cage in the back that was like, there might have been dogs in there before.
Yeah.
But not like...
You've got no idea.
Dogs.
You go, you get arrested and you go, oh no, not the tipper.
Come on, please.
But you're failing to realise though, who would, who in the police force would want to drive
that?
Everyone.
Everyone wants to drive a smiley transit.
No.
Because they've got RS3s, RS6s and M5s they could drive.
Yeah.
No, but you got, but that's the thinking man's car as we discussed last week.
Sorry.
That's sort of, it's, it's the, I think there would be because some of them, they understand
the job.
They know that I'm not here to be flash.
I'm not here to be catching, to be catching the criminals.
I'm here to pick them up.
I'm here to round them up.
A little bit like a downgrade.
I think they should do it in a cab.
Oh, Uber.
Oh, I like that.
Prius is everywhere.
Right.
You're off to the station.
You'll be here in three to seven minutes.
So we're looking for a, we're looking for a driver right now.
And then you just go get on board and they just, yeah, then you ring a taxi company.
Mike, so I think we've solved police custody.
Yeah.
Please give us a, give us a pass.
Okay.
Also, where did that go?
I don't, what?
The LP640.
Where did that go?
I think it was just done for the show.
What, from what I can see, it was basically for the show.
Okay.
So I think it was just.
Was it onto your driveway?
No, not 640.
Not 640.
I would have a 640.
Like worst case.
You discussed it.
If this Sunday goes poorly.
Having a little temporary filler.
Yeah.
Little, little self-submitting.
What have we got next from you, Edwin?
What's all this sound then?
I've got sound for you.
Okay.
And for the creamers too, if everybody would like to hush.
Here's a noise for you.
I'd like you to listen to.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So that is a, that is, that is the mic is, the mic is on the engine.
Okay.
So that's a little bit increased.
I can do a drive away if you'd like one of those.
Yeah, give me that.
Because I was, I'm about to make my claim.
Okay.
Okay, gear change.
That's all you've got.
That's all you get.
Now the gear change has thrown me.
Okay.
Now tell me what you were thinking originally.
My initial one was it was, it was the sort of change over really got me.
I didn't understand that as much as that through me.
But the initial noise felt very S54, 46 felt very BMW.
Ben.
No idea.
You've got an idea.
And then the second video felt very Porsche to me.
I'm going to, yeah, right.
I'm going to put the video up on screen and you're going to watch it.
And you're going to explain to the audio listeners.
Nah.
Sorry.
That is a motorbike.
That is a motorbike.
With what engine?
A BMW inline six.
Hey, that is, so I got served this exact video.
And I think it's a big thing in South America.
It's called the K 1600.
And then they also sell them in Europe as well.
But it is a inline six BMW engine.
And when I heard that, I was like, that's an S54.
That is a, that's what it was the little change over that got.
That was like, okay, something's been, something's been done here.
But still that was undeniably BMW inline six.
And then when the, when the, the parts of the like passing video is a different exhaust,
that one has got, I think they've taken off the air filter.
So it's basically open trumpets.
I was like, that's a nine level.
That is a like a GT four.
That could also be a little bit Cayman GT four RS.
That's what I was going to, because it's that in the gear chain,
but the gear change was so quick as well.
What?
What?
I saw it.
I was like, I had no idea that exists.
It's, it is designed to be a straight six, a motorbike straight six.
Yes.
So okay.
So it's not like someone's done some mad thing.
No, you can walk into it.
That's a 1.6.
You can walk into a dealership right now and go and buy that bike.
So it is a 1.6 liter inline six producing 160 horsepower.
Now we need that in a car.
I'm the beat.
That's what the beats getting.
That is, that is great.
That is now what the beats getting.
That, cause I'm assuming it revs to, that's a mini NSX.
So I don't.
So what these are, I know nothing about bikes.
I think they are called a bagger, which is a bag of shit.
He goes, which is like a touring bike.
So they have, they're for like doing touring stuff, not for sports bike stuff.
But still, yeah, like bigger ones.
We've got, hold on.
So it weighs 296 kilograms dry 320 kilos on a.
Which I think is very heavy.
That's a very heavy.
And also even, even 1.6 like a liter bike is deemed quite quick.
So 1.6 is obviously.
It makes it peak power at 7,750 RPM.
Okay.
But what a cool.
I just saw it come up and I was like, nah, there's no way you're going to get what that is.
So if you, if you got that at home and you're a car man, although how weird,
even at 1.6, even though it's in a bike, it still has that undeniable BMW straight six noise.
100% BMW like.
Easily M54 with a cone filter.
And next up, Ben, something exciting, something I've on purpose and not looked into.
I saw a post about it, but you've said hit new skyline teaser.
Yeah.
They've teased images of the new skyline.
There you go.
And there are some I saw somewhere at which they are, which you can see more of the car.
So from what I've seen, they have, they are kind of, they're vibing it out with the R34.
Cause here's the, here's the front end.
There you go.
That's kind of looking retro modern.
So the thing, the thing to note is that the skyline, if you, if you aren't aware,
skyline does not mean GTR.
The skyline is, is its own brand model.
Sorry.
Before the GTR and well, like the skyline was developed as a passenger car,
as a four door, as a saloon, and then came the hot versions, the GTRs and stuff.
So even after the R34 came out, there was the, the V35, the one that became your G35 in America.
That's a skyline, 350 GT.
That's just called a skyline.
I may have another skyline since the, since that, sorry.
So there's what we're thinking.
Maybe they go back to having a normal skyline and then maybe, and the top end of that as a GTR.
So who knows?
I don't think that's as good.
From the photos that I've seen, so these photos I saw on Instagram.
Some, there is one of them.
I don't know if you've found it, where it's the early skyline.
I don't know what it's called.
Next to it, driving and somebody boosted the exposure and the actual front end of that,
even though in that photo you're showing looks quite different.
It looks really R34.
Sorry.
Let me, it's a Reddit post, but I'll put it up here.
Is it this one that you're seeing?
No, I haven't seen that at all.
That's just a challenger that they've photoshopped.
So that, so that is supposedly from Nissan themselves.
Because that then looks a lot more like the Hakusuka or Hakuska.
Because they've also got the old school Skyline font.
That one.
That one, yeah.
So if you look at the front end of it, it looks really R34 and somebody boosted it.
I don't think that one on Reddit is real.
It's a four door as well.
It says it's from Nissan.
But they haven't revealed it.
Otherwise it'll wear all these shadowy.
I don't know.
It's a four door from what you can see in the photo.
So that doesn't make sense on everyone.
But the front of that looks very R34 to me.
And someone boosted it and you can see the actual front end of it.
So from what I can see, this is the boosted one.
The other one.
The tail lights are still undeniably.
Yeah, that is an ETR.
But that's, you know what?
I'm interested to see what it looks like then.
So I wonder if they do though, because these days doing a four door and a two door,
you don't see that.
But even Volkswagen, you get a four door and that's it.
I wonder if they even do a coupé.
I think if they were to obviously going to just making the GTR a bespoke platform made it special.
If they were to go to where it's almost, I don't think it would be like a Super or whatever,
but where you have, I don't like the idea of it having a base version and you can buy the normal one.
Like there was in the 34s and 33s and 32s.
I like it being the GTR, it's the hand built one.
It's the top, it's the, it's Nissan's top dog, not necessarily the top dog skyline.
But then what if, what if the, the standards car line was the four door and then the GTR was the only two door,
the only coupé one.
I just, I just like the, because I like the 35, it being that's, that's it.
That's what's so cool.
That's what's so cool about it.
That's what's undeniable.
That's what, that's the argument for saying kind of a super car is because there is no base.
There is no base GTR.
It isn't, it isn't a five series.
Like I think you just said, Ben, it's not five series that's been made into an M five.
It's, it is a GTR from the ground up.
Yeah.
It's not based on, obviously it uses little bits, but you couldn't dial it back to a diesel.
But either way, I'm excited to see what that, see where it comes up.
Do you know when, when they've said they might do that?
No idea.
I think they said soon.
I also noticed it has the skyline logo at the front.
So I'm assuming that is what they're going with.
Otherwise it would say GTR.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Famously this, the R35 had to know like it was basically all GTR badging over rather than this.
So this is they are saying that the model is back.
So the skyline model will be back and then whether or not the GTR is related to that.
Cause we did have some news, right?
The GTR was in development now.
So it's happening whether or not it's based on this.
Who knows.
R36 is the GTA six of cars.
It's got same, same timeframe as well.
Will we see it in our lifetime?
Who knows.
But yeah, I'm interested to see that because I think that'll be cool.
We're well overdue a new GTR or even a skyline.
And speaking of Nissan guys.
No, no, no, no.
Benjamin.
The new Nissan Duke has been revealed.
Have you seen this?
And do you know what?
Before you show it, how could it get worse?
I would agree.
Have you seen this?
I can vaguely picture the current one, but what?
That's legitimately the car.
That's actually the car.
I think they have now realized that they can just, the uglier they make it, the more people will buy it.
Now, if you'd like to laugh, please go and see the unveil of this because it's quite literally the definition of the crowd goes mild.
They unveil it and no one makes a noise in the whole room.
From what I saw, it was a post on Instagram, but this is tough, man.
The overall shape of it and the lights and all that is bad enough.
And the wheels, my God, it's the fact that even flat panels can't be flat.
Why have pieces of it not been colored in?
They just wouldn't stop designing it.
The top comment was, insurance just isn't going to have a bad day with this one.
How can you tell what's been hit and what hasn't?
Everything's had a big impact.
The whole thing, it's like an origami cube that's been crushed.
It's horrible, man.
That might be the worst car I've seen in the last year.
It looks mental, but not in a good way.
It's this weird trend of that's like, oh, different is cool.
No, some different is cool, but that's just being different for no reason's sake.
Cars have been around now for long enough where we know what works and we change it.
You already know that's going to be tiny inside as well.
You just know you're going to step in there and it's just like being in a hatchback.
You go, look, all these little dimples and grooves making it like a battered golf ball.
And you get in it and go, oh, yes.
Can my passenger, can I feel my passenger's knee next to me?
Absolutely.
Can I feel the person behind his knee in my back?
Absolutely.
But at least my car looks like a piece of shit.
Is there an interior shop?
It might be the best place to be.
I'm willing to bet either the interior is absolutely mental or the most boring thing you've ever seen.
There will be no in between.
The original one, it came out and it was horrible looking, but everyone bought it.
Surely that can't happen with this.
Surely.
It can't.
The other name.
Does it carry weight now?
That's what I'm wondering.
You go, well, New Duke, I had one for the last 10 years, didn't I?
Because I'm numb and boring.
Why wouldn't I buy the new one?
Oh, what's, what?
Is there a crashed one outside?
Is that the new one?
I'll take that.
The wheels, sorry, I've just got a side on shock.
Ben, can you describe the wheels?
Also, for audio listeners, can you do a little overview of the car?
Oh, God.
All right.
Imagine a, imagine Nissan Duke.
I'm sorry that you have to visualize that image.
Imagine somebody's crashed into the side of it, for some reason.
And then imagine the bits that are meant to make it look premium, i.e. the arches and stuff that, you know, would otherwise be body colored.
They made plastic.
And then the entire car is just sort of like they rendered it in 8-bit.
I was going to say, to me, it is, imagine Nissan Duke, but they've rendered it badly on a PS1 game.
Yeah.
It's about seven polygons.
But it is uglier.
Somehow they've done it.
I cannot find a photo of the interior, which is probably not great sign.
And the wheels are this weird horizontal checkerboard looking thing that, the second this car rolls forward, they're not going to match.
No, it's going to look horrible.
Right now they're looking perfectly horizontal across the board, but no, that's dreadful.
It looks like a URUS that's rolled.
It does.
It does.
It's...
The old Peugeot advert where it's the elephant, it's that.
It's that.
It's that.
But they went, you know what?
Leave it just like that, if possible.
I'm so different.
Have you seen my car?
Yeah.
New Duke.
That is utterly dreadful.
That is the worst car I've seen in my life.
Thanks for bringing me that information today.
I really enjoyed that.
Yeah, I won't sleep.
A question.
This is Edwin's question.
You've put it in there, Ben.
It's an if you've lost all your cars question.
Edwin, anyone remember?
I asked this just then, the car, and I said, shut up.
We have a podcast to film.
Edwin.
Ben just means to me really.
I like to pose random questions all day to Ben because I find it fun.
My question to Ben was if you lost all of your cars and you had to start again, you have the monetary value at a fair market value.
Of both my current cars.
Of both of your current cars.
Okay.
What would you buy?
Would you start again?
Would you go the same route?
Would you try and chase them?
Would you go different?
What am I supposed to do?
Chase them?
Or would you go for different cars?
So how much money do I have?
Ben, I've given you all the information you need.
Think for yourself.
You want us to put your value out there.
This is classic Ben discussion with Ben.
No.
You pose a question to Ben and Ben goes, okay, but can you tell me what to think?
Of course I can answer that.
That's not true.
Should I answer that?
No.
Follow-ups are perfectly fair and reasonable.
And if you ask your hypothetical school, you're going to laugh at me.
Right.
Ben, let's put it plainly.
How many cars do you got?
Two.
Right.
Are you roughly know how much they're both worth?
I hope.
Roughly.
Okay.
So go from there.
Okay.
What am I buying?
That's the question.
No.
Not possible.
Can I buy multiple cars or just one?
You can do whatever you want.
You're swapping it out.
You're starting again.
It's a clean slate.
Okay.
Okay.
This is live.
I'm thinking about this so it could be tough.
I'm going to buy a daily.
Start off with?
Sure.
Is it going to be a Golf GTD?
I like my Golf GTD, but I'm going to allow myself to buy a more fancy project car slash
weekend car.
Therefore, I'm going to buy a Mark IV Golf 1.9 TDI.
Okay.
You know what?
I would have never thought this.
Just to get me back and forth cost me £8 a year to run.
I don't like the sound of that.
I thought that.
That is not you.
It doesn't feel you.
I'm willing to hear out going to buy a Porsche Cayman.
Lovely.
Now, when you say it's a project, do you mean like it's a crash car that you're going
to rebuild or it's just a cheap one?
It's a nice one.
That's interesting.
It's not what you said a moment ago.
What did I say?
You said I'm going to put more money into a project car.
I meant like the other car.
Okay.
Like a fun weekend.
My S2000 isn't really a project car.
Like I'd now do a silly one.
Yeah.
Nice and silly one.
I'm going to buy a Cayman.
I'm going to use that for most things and then I will have to come to Redding.
That's a three point.
That's a nine.
Well, the hell it is three point two S.
Okay.
Is that three point four?
Three point four thinking of different cars.
Now, here's the reason I asked this question.
Yeah.
I wanted to follow up.
Yeah.
Do you envy that man that has a mark for PD?
And a Cayman?
I do.
And I don't say, but are you happy with where you are right now?
I'm very happy for him right now.
But what I will say is that I do it and I might envy his fun car.
Okay.
But I also like my golf a lot.
See, this is that.
And that is where I roll around just day on day, just thinking this thing's nice.
And then it goes, bing.
And you go, ah, no door handle.
Done that.
These are the sort of questions that I'm asking Ben on a daily basis.
Will, this also, I mean, I actually have done.
This is what we'll start.
I have sold cars now being 600 pounds.
Hey, you don't reveal the price, Ben.
You sausage.
I'm a Gansworth so much more than that.
I do have a mega.
So I'm starting again.
I'm starting a clean slate.
I've sold everything, which is basically what I'm doing.
I probably roughly do what I'm doing.
What you're doing now, which is going on the big end.
Everything would be sold.
And then it would be the mercy logo and a, a daily of jorts.
I'll question.
My finance count.
Is that changes things?
If it can, if you're saying that I have the amount of money that I have for my car.
That gets complicated for the podcast.
No.
No finance.
No finance.
Just for the podcast.
I can't do what you're doing.
So I can't do what I'm doing.
You have to buy cars.
Because I know what the answer is.
You're going after a V6.
Clear.
Yeah, that's fair.
That is fair.
Or a R35 GTR.
Or a.
Surely M5.
What did I see earlier on?
I think I would possibly go down a random route of just buying like four to five things.
Like a couple of like older stuff.
Like quick fire go.
Me.
Yeah.
Five.
Quick fire go.
Like I thought there was an alpha.
Like a, I don't recall it.
Is it like a junior or like a GT?
Yeah.
Like one of those coupes.
Absolutely.
I saw one of those at an auction earlier.
205 series.
20 to 25K.
And I thought that would be very, very cool.
Wouldn't it?
Sure.
Do something like that.
I can mark on our res.
Throw one of those in there.
Okay.
What else are we throwing here?
Chuck it in the melting pot.
Maybe like, maybe, maybe sling a Clio V6 in there.
If it's possible.
This is mounting up in cost quite quickly.
Because I think this is possibly overtaking, but fine.
No, I don't think so.
Okay.
Now I'm on my, I'm on my opposite.
I'm going to say something to you and you've forgotten it.
What?
It's, well, there's two things.
Number one, E92M3.
No, because I'm starting.
The whole point of this clean slate is, although I would love to have an E92M3, variety is
the slice of life.
I would like to try different things.
I've been there.
Yeah.
But you don't want to know because, because realistically, if, if, if it wasn't for the
big M, it was brief, but I have been there.
It wasn't for the big M.
You probably would have kept that car, right?
No, but it's will.
Will doesn't keep cars.
But you had a, you joined it for like two days.
Yeah.
That was enough.
Why don't you just rent cars?
Because you can't do that.
Because you can't rent modified cars.
You can't rent a twice crash damaged yellow Clio's.
Also renting a car, bring it back.
Why are there different wheels on my rental car?
I preferred them.
So I've changed them, didn't I?
I was allowed it.
That was a car that required being brought back from the brink.
It was done.
I intended to possibly keep it a bit longer, but it hasn't worked out that way.
And such is life.
Then I'm going to let you guess.
I'm going to let both of you guess what I'd do.
Cause I know, I know.
You sell everything.
Oh, you have so many cars.
I have no idea.
The value is not much, but it is still there.
I think there's a pretty strong.
You have a pretty good value in your collection.
But here's what I, let me answer it for you.
I'd sell all of them.
Go, I'm going to buy completely different.
I'd buy the same cars.
I'd go back and buy the exact same cars.
Really?
Exactly.
I know, I know me.
You wouldn't buy the big F.
No, I wouldn't know.
Cause I'd be like, I don't have any cars.
I need.
Basically.
No, cause I know what I do.
I'd go, I have no cars.
I need to buy some shit cars.
And then I'd end up going and buying a beat.
And then I go and buy an E 36.
And I go and buy an eight series.
You wouldn't buy the big F.
No.
I don't believe in your dream.
What?
I don't think you have the same level of dream as you claim.
I do.
But then why not make it happen?
Because that would require getting rid of everything else.
And everything else is what makes me me.
But you've just done that.
No.
It's all gone.
Exactly.
And I would tell myself.
They're all gone.
I'm going to do it.
But I know, I know me.
I know I'd go back and I'd just buy it.
Basically the slate.
I know.
I know.
It hasn't got to be for life.
So what's the point?
No, I know.
You just told everything for no reason.
Look, Ben.
I'm, I'm simply the, the, the master of this question.
I don't, you know, I'm not saying I understand it.
Nothing is different.
No, no.
I'd say I would.
Right.
Think about it, Ben.
How many times do I say I'm going to get rid of an E 36?
And then I go and buy another one.
I don't believe you.
This is the one.
Because I think that they're a bridge.
There are cars that you, there are cars you own that you don't want.
Yeah.
Okay.
Suffer like the C 55.
Fine.
So, okay.
But so which of those then because let's say everything goes and you got to start
again.
Everything's available.
That's the other thing with Edwin as well as everything is a, even actually some of
my stuff as well is it's hard to find some of those things.
Exactly.
Like an Oxford Green M3.
Let's just say it's available.
You'd probably go back for that.
I'd buy it immediately.
Eight series will probably stay.
I'd go and buy an eight 50.
Well, this is the thing, right?
This is why this is why I've gone down this path.
How many podcasts ago did I say I'm selling the eight 50?
I'm keeping the eight 50.
Because I've got an idea for it now.
But it's been forced.
Nature has done it.
Of course.
It's been taken away in the great flood.
Maybe I would.
Maybe I wouldn't then, but I'd still be looking for another one.
Okay.
What about me now?
You would get a monetary value bank for it, but you wouldn't necessarily get this.
Like you wouldn't get a better one for the same money.
No, but if you might go, right, I'll take that money.
I'll take the, what else you got?
What else we got?
I'll take that money, the C 55 money and what else we got?
What else we got?
Loads of stuff.
What else we got?
36, they're not going anywhere.
They're not going anywhere.
They're getting bought back.
I'm buying back.
Ben, what did I find yesterday and show you?
Yeah, a white 36.
Another white 36.
And there was a part of my brain that looked at it and went,
What if I bought that?
Okay, wait.
So realistically, it's possibly the only ones that might be replaced with the eight 50
and the C 55.
Yes.
Which is kind of.
What do you have?
The Clio?
The Clio?
Yeah, but that's also mainly for my girlfriend as well.
That's for her to learn to do track day stuff in.
Like I'm not actually that married to the Clio.
The Clio, I could, if I needed to, I could sell that, but that's for her to learn in.
And I enjoyed the rebuild on it.
That was something exciting for me.
Okay.
The beat.
The beat.
Absolutely.
You have no, there is no, there's no desire for the beat.
Ben, a rich from the S 2000 man himself who doesn't care about his car.
Completely fair.
Second, you're wrong.
I love the beat.
But you don't mention the beat for months.
I have it.
This is, this is what I am.
I know I'm a hoarder to a degree.
Once I have the car, I'm happy because I know I will get to the car.
I will do the vision I have because I can't sell the car until the vision is complete.
So therefore the car exists there.
It just sits there, but it will happen.
It will buy everything on the back.
Probably.
Yeah.
Or I'm not saying the exact car, but I'd go out and I'd buy a beat and I go out and
I buy anything.
Nothing would change.
No more breath.
Z 55.
Are they words?
Are they words?
Sure might be, folks.
Let's try again, shall we?
We can have a go with them.
Any of them, would you change, would you buy the same car, but change something about
it?
Either the color or the spec?
Do you know, I don't know.
Do something differently.
Buy a better one.
Buy a worse one.
The 840, the black 840, it's not in that.
It's not in the proper black, but they just don't exist.
Yeah.
So I would consider buying a worse one, like a red one or something bad and then fully
respraying it proper black and doing a bigger build on it, but I'm now attached to that
car.
That's the other thing.
I get attached to cars.
The red.
Would you hold out for another color?
I would.
I would.
And the 46, that's kind of, that's perfect.
That is what it is.
Down to the last detail.
Z 55.
I feel like Z 55.
He's like, he's looking around going, why is he going, what did I do?
I was actually quite reliable.
It took one bad spell.
I went, I hate you.
I want you gone.
Yeah.
That's, that's, look, and then silvery 36 best car on earth.
Why are you 36?
You know what?
I've been having thoughts on the white 36.
Every now and then I think, and it's because the engine's not in it.
Yeah.
But I think the moment I do one track day, I reckon I will go, no, let's, let's.
You could put an engine in it.
It is not ex toilet.
I could very much do that.
I really could do that.
And it's because I keep telling myself, I'm going to do the stroke of motor.
Right.
But I think I should just put it together as the engine is in our toilet.
Ex toilet.
Yeah.
It's been there for months.
Yeah.
And you haven't touched it.
I know.
There are so many cars.
I know, but there's so many cars that you because the thing is right.
My thing.
I will, I will accept your, your point on the beaten stuff.
It just sits there.
But there are cars you use.
The white 36 comes to work regularly.
The Cleo.
It sounds like work regularly.
Right.
Yeah.
These all cars that you can justify doing things for using them.
All right.
That's a key pool.
But I mean, as in it would be, it would, it's difficult because of the value because you
got it at a very good price.
Yes.
But you would, it's a clean slate.
You start again, but you're going to go and get another Tuscan.
Would you have that one again in that color?
Or would you perhaps let's say the C 55 has gone and you go, oh, there's one on fire.
Do you know what?
I now, I still don't, I still don't love the color, but I love the car and the story.
Yeah.
If that makes sense.
That car, that is, that's the most me Tuscan.
Hmm.
The, the whole, the whole thing you've got the same thing with the Mercilago, that one
that you're looking at is, is not perfect.
Yeah.
Which means you will use it hard.
Whereas your Gallardo, there was a real sense of, if I hurt this, I'm going to really hurt
the value.
It's going to lose value.
I'm going to come miles in it.
Whereas now I love that with the Tuscan.
I not, I don't care.
I don't want to make it seem like, I don't know who cares.
It's not.
I love it dearly and I'm very protective over it, but I'm, I'm more happy that if something
was to happen to it, oh, well, it's fixable.
I can eat.
You know, it doesn't go all the immaculate paint jobs ruined, but probably would end up trying
to buy that car again.
But here, okay.
A different color would be cool.
Okay.
But it is loud enough for a Tuscan.
What a deep question.
Yeah.
Exactly.
That is why I also, Ben, I wanted to take offense on one other thing.
Sure.
You say to me, yeah, you're not doing things to your car.
How easy is it to get the exhaust mod done on your S2000?
Hey, I'm not Mr. Cars.
Am I?
You are.
I'm not Benjamin Cars.
You're Benjamin Cars.
You're Benjamin Cars every day.
You're working with them.
You're working around them.
That's the exact reason why I don't.
Exactly.
So welcome to my conundrum.
Every, every breath you take is for cars.
I love that song.
It's for cars.
I don't have the same thing.
I really like cars, but I'm not.
I go through hours of my day where I don't think about cars.
Tough.
I hate to hear that.
What are you thinking about?
Other things.
What else is there to think about?
Give me one other thing you think about.
Watch it right now.
Quick.
I think I'll watch it quite a lot.
Okay.
Watch it on YouTube.
See?
Doesn't exist.
Hold it.
I might go on this year.
This week.
Yeah.
My family.
My friends.
You just think about your family.
That's quite sweet.
What do you think about?
Think about it.
Bloody hell.
I've got mum and I.
My friends.
That's my dad.
Are we in that group?
Do you think about us?
I do think about you sometimes, but I spend so much of my life talking to you and I spend
more time with you to interact with you than I do with probably anyone else on earth.
Yeah.
Probably true.
Even like my girlfriend.
That's tough.
Yeah.
Even she stabbed you in the back by telling us the information about you being the event.
But that's a great question.
You know what?
A philosophical question for the creamers too.
Get in the comments.
Get involved on that one because it's a difficult one.
Start calling each other out.
I thought it'd be quite easy because that's kind of what I do anyway.
Will is not attached to cars.
This is normal.
That's what you do.
I'm going to get rid of all my cars.
Will wakes up one morning and goes, right, that's it.
You're all out.
Everyone out.
Go out.
Imagine if you did that with like the other room, please.
Imagine people in your life did that.
Wake up.
I don't like you anymore.
I'm done.
You're off.
Boring.
A variety is the spice of life and you are done.
I'm trading you in for better friends.
You've heard your time.
Maybe in six months I'll regret this.
I'll try to buy you back.
Now we've been sent some news.
I hadn't heard about this and then Leon, our friend, autism, he sent us the GT3 Vert.
I think it's a GT3 SC or something.
Yes, is what it's called.
It's just another 911 in my eyes, but tell me about it.
Benjamin or someone who's a GT3 with no roof.
No bloody way.
Which one is pointless?
I agree.
But I have a, I have a bone to pick here.
A obviously the speedster exists, which is that anymore.
No, but it was a, there is a 992 speedster.
Yes.
There's not.
Yes.
Oh, none and two.
So sorry.
991.
991.1.
I apologize to portion master.
But my point here is everything I watch, everything I see about this is all the purists are going
to hate this.
All the purists are going to be up in arms.
Does anyone care?
This is my question.
I keep seeing this whole, this whole rhetoric about this is really going to upset some people.
I haven't seen a single person that's like, oh, I really hate this.
It's just people going, yeah.
As in the purists will hate this because it's a vert and it's a GT3.
But I don't believe there are purists anymore.
I don't think that exists anymore.
You've got air-cooled people who are like, yeah, my air-cooled cars are nice.
Fine.
They exist in their world there.
And I don't actually think there are enough people that are actually upset about this.
I guess people, I guess, well, it's like GT3 is like, oh, here is a, you have a GT3 RS.
Here's your hardcore, basically a race car for the road.
You go, here's a GT3.
It's a little bit softer.
It's sort of a, you could use it on track.
You could it on your road, but it's aimed towards track kind of stuff.
And you go, this is the same, but it doesn't have a roof.
It's not like, if it was a convertible GT3 RS, fair enough.
Yeah.
What's the point in that?
But it's, yeah.
I don't get it.
I don't understand.
So what is that saying?
I don't get a touring.
A touring is not exactly.
But what are you going to get from what, why do you want the extra track focused stuff
on a car that you have to have the roof down?
But I don't think it is.
That's not its entire focus though, is it?
It is a road car designed to be experienced on the road.
How many GT3s are actually on track?
Yeah, but then you can't use all the GT3 like features on the road really anyway.
Of course.
You might as well just buy a 911 911 with no roof.
But then that argument extends to everything that's a little bit mental.
Why even buy a GT3 RS road car?
Just go buy a race car and just take it, have it on the track.
Yeah.
Because it doesn't, but it doesn't matter.
It's, I agree.
It's the same thing with the touring.
So the only thing I know, the only thing I remember, I remember about this when I read
up quickly is that it has to achieve the same or near the same weight.
It is nearly the same weight as GT3 normal.
They've got a load of ST parts, which was the really rare.
So that's got, it's got the vented front wings from like an RS.
So it has the kind of slash up into the door, which I think a normal GT3 does not
have is supposedly what they were saying.
But so yeah, there's a load of like trick bits to make it lighter.
But also I'd be then annoyed as a G3 owner.
Why does that get, yes, why does that get some ST parts?
Because it's a convertible.
It makes no sense.
Is it a limited thing?
I don't know.
I think it was straight up model option.
Might be wrong.
But yeah, I just don't, not that I don't care, but I just don't.
Okay.
Sure.
9-11 cabs upset me generally anyway, but a 9-11 cab really upsets me.
I can kind of, I can kind of see why you might want this.
It's 9,000 RPM engine with the roof down.
It was going to sound great, but not for me.
It's also full manual, only manuals.
Only manuals?
And I wonder if that's because the weight, because this is, it's 28 kilos heavier
than a GT3 coupe and 32 kilos than a 9-91 speedster.
Heavier than a speedster.
Heavier.
So 9-91 speedster was much lighter then.
But I don't know what the difference is between them anyway.
Do they make that up just to keep the speedster owners happy?
No, it's heavier.
No, no, you guys have got really good deal.
Don't weigh it.
I swear.
Do not weigh it.
So not 63.9 seconds, same exactly as the coupe.
And then top speed rises to 194, one mile an hour with the roof.
So they got one mile an hour up.
Yeah, I just don't know.
I don't, I mean, I'm sure people will buy it.
It's a 9-11 GT3 with some special bits on it.
So I'm sure people are going to queue up to buy it.
It's going to be worth more than the list of price for at least for a little while.
And it will, it's a 9-11 GT3 car.
So it's going to, it's going to do well, I think.
I just, I don't know what it is.
I wish I could, I could identify the part of me that just feels absolutely nothing.
You announced the new G3, cool.
The RS, cool.
But even that ST thing, man, it's the same car.
Actually the ST, there's a car, I can't remember the details, but there are a couple of really
cool details on that.
That was the first time I looked at a 9-11 and thought, you know what, that is, because
it was like GT3 RS bits, but in a GT3 body.
So you're not dealing with the massive wing and a roll cage and all those bits.
I was like, you know what, that is really quite cool, but still.
But my point, my point here is that if you go back to the 2000s, every new model that
came out was a complete reinvention of the car before it.
If you look at a LP640 to an SV, those are two wildly different cars.
A 9-11 Touring to looking at a 9-11 ST, I could mistake them for each other.
There's no, I couldn't, I couldn't pick them out in a lineup or if you put a silhouette
over them, perhaps if you're a car dealer.
I'd go, that's the same car.
This is my problem with Porsches.
I couldn't tell at a glance that that wasn't just a 9-11 cab.
I do regularly now see 9-92s, just your regular 9-92.
And I get, I'm like, is that turbo?
Is that a GT3?
I don't.
And again, maybe that's because I'm not as into them.
I would probably spot an M car or something quicker.
But even then, like, but I think it's still better.
Sometimes I see a 5-series estate and I'm like, is that a 5?
I don't know.
I feel like the line is getting blurred.
They're getting more extreme to look at.
But then the sort of base models is almost or the models below are almost very, very similar.
I don't know.
I'm assuming that is on purpose.
And I was just people want to buy those things.
I was on the, I was willing to die on that hill of no 9-11s are actually different.
Like if you, if you learn about them, you can tell even I struggle at this point.
Like they're just the same tough and Ben Porsche master himself.
They are different, but I don't care for it.
That's what I mean.
Even you are struggling to get excited.
I just think it's pointless, but yeah, I don't see the point.
You wouldn't have it.
Would you have it over a coupé?
No, but I also believe I am on the same boat as everyone here that a convertible for most
of the time is nice to roll around slowly in.
Yeah.
It confuses me that it's manual.
Yeah.
Which I think is just waiting.
Cause a turbo s, I'd probably have a turbo s cab.
Why?
That's why I don't get about Porsche.
Why are they like that?
They are focusing on Zavade.
It's convertible.
Yeah.
Don't worry about it.
Put a PDK in it.
And that's it.
You are making a convertible version of the GT3.
I know like maybe for the performance numbers and whatever else, but still is it doesn't
matter that much saving X amount of kilos or whatever by not putting an auto in it.
It will also probably already feel worse because it's got my roof.
Supposedly though, I did watch tiny bit the Chris Harris thing and he said it was the
feel of it was like less compromised from being a convertible than any other convertible
to coupé he'd been in.
But still, it's not going to be the same.
No, it's probably not going to be identical.
But at that point, you might as well just say whatever.
But that also comes back to my point, which is 99.99% of every GT3 driver buyer is not
a good enough driver to know the difference anyway.
I wouldn't.
If you put me in a 993 Vert, sorry, a 993 Vert in a GT3 Vert, I'd probably be like,
this is the most fantastic driving car I've ever experienced in my life.
If I then got on a coupé, I'd go, yeah, feels about the same.
I don't know.
You know, the people buying it, they're not race cut drivers.
They live in LA and they want to roll around.
Ben would feel it.
I mean, the front ends a bit cool.
A bit of scuffle shake coming through that left hand.
I wasn't a fan of that.
I'm not a fan of it.
You know, scrubbing wide here.
It's like, there's a tan at the end of the corner.
Right.
That leads us perfectly what you were just saying onto the next thing, which is, which
is Frank Fertes, 2007.
There's a small spelling error on that one.
We'll put that in the chat.
I started cackling.
So this is Frank Fertes, 2007.
So this was, I do miss, I do miss the annual car shows that were happening.
They were way more exciting back in the day.
I remember going to the British Motor Show in 2006.
There was new things.
There were old things to see.
There were new releases.
It was quite exciting.
Whereas now it's, it's just a bit.
He's an English Duke.
But there were things like, I remember going to the 2006 British one and they'd released
the Murano.
Oh, but alongside that, there were other things.
They had that as an RV.
Oh yeah.
350Z race car.
And then they had lots of other stuff and they had, I can't remember.
Maybe it was like an early version of the GTR.
So it was just exciting stuff going on.
What were the big ones?
Frank Fertes.
Frank Fertes, Geneva.
The British Motor Show was kind of big.
In the 90s, Birmingham, British Motor Show, which was Birmingham at one point, and then
it was London L's court before that was like a big thing in the calendar.
If you go back and look at the 90s UK Motor Show, there were some big releases there.
I can't remember whether London, Docks, something like that.
Is it Paris as well?
Paris Motor Show.
Was that a thing?
But there's just so many very cool ones.
And it would come around to that time of year and there'd just be stuff going on.
And because that was how people found out about stuff.
Yeah.
Whereas now we get it leaked three days before anyway.
But anyway, so it's kind of got a little bit viral, I guess you might say.
People have been picking up on the fact of like what the hell was going on at the Frank Fertes
Motor Show 2007.
Because we had Reventon was one of them.
What else do we have?
We had the AC.
Crazy.
I will say, I'm going to pick up on a couple of these.
Not all of these are new releases.
No.
Because later on in here, I think there's a modified 599.
599 was really was was revealed in early 06.
But still, sometimes they were in that rough era.
Yeah.
Because sometimes they would release like Porsche, a special edition or a run out edition or
a, you know, weird.
I think early 2000s, the amount of Ferrari special editions like you had the China edition 612.
Yeah.
They'd released those at the shows as well.
So Reventon and AC there.
AC Schnitzer.
I can't remember.
AC Schnitzer.
AC Schnitzer.
1992.
1997 GT2.
Fantastic.
That is a 911.
That might be a 911.
Just so good.
And I prefer that to an RS as well.
I like a GT2 over an RS.
C63 and SLR obviously was older, but C63 would have been pretty much brand spanked.
6.2 litre.
C63.
599.
That looks like a, a, oh God.
Novetik.
I think 599 or Novetik.
Novetik.
Yeah.
And then a 16 or 430 Scuderia.
And then we've got DBS and the first gen R8.
Crazy.
So like, and they would have been.
Yeah.
I think, again, I think Gran Turismo, I think is O6 technically.
And possibly even the same with the XKR.
Yeah.
A redesigned XF as well.
But like all sorts, like even look in the background.
Yeah.
The XJ in the background.
Just.
I need to find, I have a, I have a disc somewhere of the British motor show.
Just photos from there.
I don't think I cared too many, too much about some of the newer stuff.
Actually, I do remember being at the O6 one and seeing the XK.
So that's, that would have been O6.
But that's just cool.
I can't imagine there being an event like this year or next year, even in the last few years,
where they have that many exciting things to show that are, that are new.
It's weird.
It's weird to, it's hard to know whether it's old men shouting at the clouds or whether
it has actually changed.
I think it has.
But I think it's the variety of it in there.
Like even with alpha making stuff, like there's, there are now less manufacturers.
I think there are, there's still exciting stuff being made.
Yeah.
Ferrari Lamborghini, they're not for me, but they're still exciting cars.
But it's now like whittled down to this.
It's only really the premium brands of BMW or sometimes Mercedes.
Yeah.
But before it was guaranteed, you're getting, you're getting a fast Merc.
There's going to be an RS6.
There's going to be an M5.
Alpha are going to come out with something.
So it just feels like there's less and less brands doing exciting stuff.
Also, I think there is now like a, there's optimization from the brands where they go.
We've worked out that selling a C63 and an E63 and then a CLS63.
We don't need that.
Yeah.
Just make one and then it'll be fine.
And then also social media being like, right, we release the cars on social media.
That's done.
We've done our release.
We'll just do our marketing.
We'll do our Facebook targeted ads.
And that's fine.
Whereas back then it was like, right.
Motor show, make it good or don't, or your cars not selling.
I think it was COVID kind of killed the motor show.
Yeah.
Because it covered the canceled a load.
I went to Geneva.
You did.
Because I think after that or around about that time and sort of the year following,
they kind of thought, well, hang on.
This costs a ton to make happen and everyone's going to see it online anyway.
And I think Detroit, there was, for the last few years of Detroit,
I think there's been people walking around just like documenting how sad it is.
Yeah.
Because no one cares.
No one, it doesn't matter.
Geneva, they canceled.
So I went in 2019 with my dad and I went, I booked again to go in 2020 with my wife, Sam.
And they canceled it because of COVID.
And we still went to Geneva because we couldn't get our flights flooded.
But after that, they were like, well, it's good excuse to not do it.
Because now we had a year we can't do it.
Yeah.
We now just will kill it.
And they went to Qatar.
And now it's...
What was there in 2019?
They had the big ones.
They had the Bugatti La Voitre Noir thing.
That was there.
Aston Martin had quite a big stand.
They had the Valhalla concept thing, whatever that was.
Yeah.
They had...
That's not that long ago.
There's some quite interesting stuff out here.
There was some cool stuff.
It was one of the last times I remember getting excited about new releases.
I can't think of what else there was.
Any RS, Audi's, any M cars?
Yes.
There were.
There would have been whatever the...
Yeah.
I can't remember exactly what was announced.
So maybe it is.
Maybe it's just that we think, you know, you look back on...
Now that those cars are so iconic from 2007, you look back on it.
You know, wow, that was amazing.
Maybe in 10 years' time, when things are even worse, we'll look back in 2019 and go,
Oh, that's when they had the Valhalla thing out there.
That was the first time that they announced the RIMAC, what was the concept to now in
Newvera?
I remember looking at that for the first time thinking, this is tough.
Really?
It didn't feel exciting to me.
Wow.
Even the numbers were exciting.
It didn't feel exciting to me at all.
I remember looking, just visually going.
That's where we're going.
That's not good.
This ain't it.
Crazy.
This ain't it.
Bring back the Motor Show.
Let's do...
Bring back a proper Motor Show.
Still a Creme Motor Show.
Creme Motor Show.
Brands, manufacturers can get involved.
You can bring...
Don't bring none of that boring stuff.
Do you know what I do say when I joke at home?
I still like Tokyo Auto Salon because that is essentially, if you don't know, a Motor
Show, but for tuners.
So people, they will bring back old cars that have been lost for years.
They'll restore them and put them on shows.
Or it's just basically tuners in Japan put their most ridiculous new kits, engine swaps,
all that sort of stuff into one show.
And there's a lot of creepy men filming women is what I've heard from a lot of people.
Hey, but that's old school car show stuff.
It's not right.
That's true.
That's true.
It's not right.
But it's what we know.
So, you know what?
Maybe we have to do a Creme Motor Show.
Do you know what I like?
Monterey Car Week.
That's a great...
I've never heard of that before.
I'd like to go there at some point.
Would you like to go to the Quail?
Quail.
Speaking of which...
Still waiting here.
It's still worse.
You'd get a proper lead on the Quail.
So, Ben, I mean, that's your job.
So, you know, when you've sorted that, let's know.
I did check on our media passers.
Nothing yet.
Nothing yet.
They'll come through.
We'll keep checking the spam.
It might come through.
Yeah, I'm sure.
Just a minute.
Yeah.
Shall we end with a forum question?
We have one more thing before the forum.
Oh, so sorry.
Our penultimate thing before the forum is Ben has a video guest.
He has one more life.
He has another game.
Let's go.
Yes, we do.
Yes.
I've written down a few now because I've had a little session of brainstorming.
Remember, you only get one.
Yep.
And you cannot elaborate.
Okay.
Let me just...
Hang on.
Let me go for my list and decide which one I want to ask this week.
Okay.
Sure.
So, you're going to build a car and I get to choose the mods.
Ooh.
Now, I quite like that video.
That is not it, but we'll put that in the list.
Yeah.
It's not quite over.
I guess everything's...
That's going to be a horrible car.
It's actually totally wrong.
It has.
It's ruined it for me the fact that Edwin, you said that I was involved in it and will
you say I might not be involved in it because I'm one of my guests.
Not in Will's.
But that's why to me, I don't understand how that makes sense for me to be in it.
You'll be there.
They're different versions.
I'm the videographer.
I will be there if I...
Wow.
I am the event type of energy.
No, I'm the videographer.
I have to film you.
Okay.
Unless you're going to vlog the whole thing.
No, no, that's fine.
You might do.
That's fine.
Shall we move on?
Since you've got that wrong, your life will regenerate next week.
Okay.
With a forum question to end, forum two.
Forum two.
This is from a Spotify comment.
Shout out.
Which I'll start on going through more because I realized we have Spotify comments.
You can comment on Spotify.
You can watch the video on Spotify and you can comment and you can listen to music.
No, what?
That's great.
Anything else?
They've got podcasts on there.
Make your own playlists.
Sure.
You can start this jam.
This feels like it's sponsored by Spotify.
It's not.
Shout out Spotify.
But no, this is not Spotify.
This is from just Fox with two X's.
Okay.
Forum question for the boys.
When picking a car, does rarity and scene points mean anything to you?
Or do you just pick a car based on your dreams and aspirations?
My dreams and aspirations are affected by the rarity.
I would say that.
That's fair because you often shout rare.
That's it.
I like a rare car.
I like cars because they're rare.
Sometimes the spec isn't that nice, but I like it because you don't see it that much.
Perhaps to a degree, but on the most part, I couldn't care less how in or out they are
of the scene.
I don't know.
I was about to try and think of a car.
It's the effects.
It's a loon.
Most people like a coupé.
Objectively, they're wrong.
So, you know, hey, I can't.
I don't really know what is seen.
What is just what's in what people like right now?
It would be like GT3 GT3.
Yeah.
M car, new M cars.
Anything Instagram right now would be like, okay.
That's fair.
That is fair.
Green over time.
Color.
Yeah.
Will has spoken a great lens.
Sorry.
Just a quick one.
I think I've said this before, but I'm annoyed.
I was there before.
Green over time has always been my thing.
There are only a few things in life that most people, that some people can say.
Like I liked it before it was cool.
And I think that is fair.
Green over time since I was like 10.
I was like, that's my spec.
I don't like it.
I like green over time.
This is this is everyone's so binary about everything.
It was like, you have to either either you love it on everything or you don't.
I don't mind it.
It's it's great.
I like it.
Yeah.
No, but my search and see one is green over time.
I don't.
And my began to share on is chat is it's you don't have to like it.
Yeah.
You do not have to like it over 10.
You have.
There we go.
I think I have.
I'm fairly sure there's an exposed carbon that was green.
Maybe not over 10.
Sorry.
To me, green over time is a bit more of a luxurious type of it's a bit more.
It's a little bit Italian.
It's there was there is that element to it, but it's I don't know.
I didn't get it.
Rare.
I like rare, but I kind of like rare in a I can understand it when it's like being
W individual colors.
That's what I kind of know off the top of my head where something's rare, not necessarily
because it was a crap color and no one chose it, but because it was an exclusive color.
Yeah.
Like someone had to go out and pay an extra amount of money or they had to say, I specifically
want this color and that's why it's rare.
That's cool to me.
I like that.
But if it's like, no, my car was my car.
I bought this car.
It was brown.
It was one off.
It was a it was a no cost option.
I could have picked brown, but no one did.
Yeah.
Because it looks like crap.
And someone 30 years later goes, my car's brown.
And everyone goes, is your joking?
Is it brown over brown?
And they go, yeah.
And it's cloth too.
Yeah.
That makes it doesn't make much sense.
It's the rare for a reason thing, but then there's people quite like that.
Look, everyone has their own taste.
They're like barnholes.
Just like that.
Everyone's got them.
And none of them taste great.
But a rarity is there is something about though, when you have a car and you know it's rare
and F10M5s, I couldn't go and buy a Monte Carlo blue one.
I don't like the look of the color.
That's probably the main reason.
But it's the fact that everyone else is Monte Carlo blue.
Everyone you see is always Monte Carlo blue with black leather and standard seats where
you can get one that deviates from that path ever so slightly and you have something that
stands out.
This feels a bit more you.
That makes sense to me.
But scene points, if you're doing stuff purely for that, sincerely don't do that.
It's not a good idea.
Like there is an argument because a lot of people will, when they go and buy a car, when
they spec a car new, because that's the other thing.
My M3, I didn't go and choose for that car to be green.
Someone took the brave decision back in the day of going, I will go for the green over
the blue or the silver or whatever.
But when someone goes to pick a car, they will be more conservative than even if you showed
them a photo of a purple RS6, they might go, that's kind of cool.
But when it comes down to spending your 100,000 pounds, you go, I don't want to get stuck
with this.
So I'm going to choose black because I know I'll sell it afterwards.
So that's why the rarity thing is cool to me because sometimes it's like, you had to
be bold to go and do that or bold, whichever one you want.
But there's something about seeing a weird spec is cool because you go, some chief absolutely
went, screw whatever else is there.
I'm going crazy.
Also, it can sometimes make a somewhat normal run of the mill traffic car stand out a bit
more.
If you are looking for, it could be a daily driver, it could be something where...
That's seven series I had ages ago.
I mean, seven series is kind of like a luxury-ish car, but it was just a seven series diesel.
So many of them have the small wheels, they have a basic interior, they have horrible
trim, they don't have the right kit, and they're all in a black or a silver or a gray.
And it's boring.
But then I found that one that was like individual with individual wheels and an individual interior,
it stood out from everything else.
And I wouldn't have felt the same way about a black over black SE trim, whatever.
So it's...
Yeah, I don't know.
Ben, what's your weird spec that you've seen on our car that you like?
I saw...
I'm just going to put this up.
I actually saw this morning, I saw on the way in a...
What's it called?
JTM3.
LCI.
Okay.
In brown.
Okay.
Like what sort of brown?
Let me go.
This happens quite regularly.
It's going to be...
Okay.
So you know the...
I reckon it's this.
Gone.
I'm going to put...
Sorry.
That's a photo of what I like.
That's the RS6 we were doing some research on the other day.
Oh yeah.
We found a brochure for the RS6.
And it's...
Very cool.
But it's exactly that.
It's...
Here are these normal colors.
We've got red, if you feel a little bit crazy.
Silver, gray and black.
And then there's the next page that's like his exclusive colors and the most incredible
array of colors you've ever seen.
Like amazing colors, including this, which is like a deep purple RS6.
I can't get a full-race photo, Ben, but here's...
Okay.
Now that's a really...
There's a 200 pixel foot.
Was it like that?
Like a super dark brown?
It had a bit of purple to it.
Okay.
Adding colors on me.
But it was brown.
And it had those big...
It was blue.
Silver wheels that come from standard.
What?
Come from factory?
The big silver...
Yeah.
So it's probably some form of individual perhaps.
It was nice perhaps.
Also, there are...
Cars have colors.
No.
But there are sort of...
The colors match the era almost.
Yes.
Your green...
Which contradicts exactly what I'm saying, basically.
Okay.
In some ways, on some cars, is what I'm saying.
Is that Edmunds M3, back then, a dark green car probably wasn't popular.
Oh, no.
People wanted an M3 in the Galuna.
The Guna Seca Blue.
The Guna Seca Blue.
Probably even just a more conservative silver or a black.
But if you were going to go a little bit out there, you were going to go for the Guna
Seca Blue or like a Phoenix Yellow.
Or Esterel.
Or otherwise, you would go for something individual if you were after something like really, really
special.
But then now, greens are cool in this era.
And now people want an old color.
An old car in a color that's cool in 2026.
So there is that element of it.
It was an old man's color.
That's literally what people used to call it on the forum.
Old man green is what it was called.
Right.
I think that is a longer episode than usual.
A lot of...
Absolutely.
Some philosophical questions.
We've got some news done.
Some waffle.
Some big time waffling going on.
Lovely.
I think that's a well-rounded podcast.
Thank you very much for listening to the 79th episode of the cream podcast.
We will see you next week as always.
Cream get the money.
Green over time, y'all.
We are the show.
I am the shine.
I am the senate.
Great.
About this episode
A wide-ranging C.R.E.A.M. catch-up swings from stress about a potential Mercia logo auction win to real-world ownership: Edwin’s plan to combine two Alfa 159s into one good daily, backed by CarVertical checks, plus show-trip stories (including a disastrous food-and-fuel day for one host). The crew debates gated manuals, why car dealers use generic silhouettes, and the “rarity vs scene points” forum question. Big news hits include a 300k-mile Italian police Huracan, the ugly new Nissan Juke, and a GT3 convertible that divides purists.
160 horsepower
1.6 liter inline six
20,000 miles a year
300,000 miles
9,000 RPM engine
above market value
AC Schnitzer
aftermarket tuning
air filter
auction
Alfa Romeo 159
Aston Martin DBS
Aston Martin Valhalla
Audi R8
Audi RS 3
Audi RS 6
Audi RS e-tron GT
BMW 3 Series
BMW 5 Series
BMW 6 Series
BMW 7 Series
BMW 8 Series
BMW M3
BMW M5
BMW X5
Chevrolet Bel Air
Chevrolet Monte Carlo
Dodge Challenger
Ferrari 430 Scuderia
Ferrari 599
Honda Civic
Honda S2000
Lamborghini 350 GT
Lamborghini Gallardo
Lamborghini Huracan
Lamborghini Reventon
Lamborghini Urus
Land Rover Range Rover
Mercedes-Benz C 63 T-Modell (S204)
Mercedes-Benz C-Class
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Nissan 350Z
Nissan GT-R
Nissan GT-R (R35)
Nissan Juke
Nissan Murano
Nissan Skyline
Porsche 911
Porsche Cayman
Renault Clio
Renault Clio V6
Renault ZOE
Subaru WRX
Tesla Model 3
Toyota Prius
TVR Tuscan
Vauxhall Corsa 5 doors
Volkswagen Golf
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