C.R.E.A.M. #84 - Ranking The Best Ferraris, IYKYK Cars and a M5 Taxi
C.R.E.A.M. (The TDC Podcast) · May 28, 2026
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Car
Honda S2000
The Honda S2000 is a small two-seat roadster made for fun driving. It’s known for revving high and feeling responsive. In the podcast, they’re talking about its MOT status and that they still have it.
Car
Pontiac Solstice
The Pontiac Solstice is a small sports car made by Pontiac. It’s meant to be fun and relatively affordable compared to bigger supercars. The podcast mentions it in a wordplay/timing context rather than a deep technical one.
Term
V5
In the UK, the V5 is the main paperwork that links a car to the person responsible for it. It helps prove who’s keeping the car, but it’s not the same as a “title deed.” If you don’t have it, you have to do extra paperwork to get a replacement.
Term
PCNs
PCNs are the UK’s parking/traffic fine notices. They get sent to the person/record linked to the car, so if the paperwork is missing or outdated, it can affect what gets mailed to you.
Term
taxed
“Taxed” here means the UK road tax for the car is up to date. If it isn’t, the car usually isn’t allowed to be driven on public roads. They’re using this to describe how long the car has effectively been inactive.
Term
V62
A V62 is a UK form used to request a replacement V5C when the original registration document is lost. The form includes the applicant’s details and a fee, and it triggers the process to issue a new registration document. Here, the hosts use it to explain what must be done when a car has no V5 for an extended period.
Car
Audi Rs6
The Audi RS6 is a fast, performance-focused Audi wagon. Here, they’re talking about getting a lot more power out of it and using it for testing against other cars.
Place
Dunsfold
Dunsfold is a track location that Top Gear uses for filming and testing cars. It’s where they can run cars back-to-back to compare how they perform.
Topic
Top Gear Test Track
The Top Gear Test Track is the track Top Gear uses to test cars in a repeatable way. That makes it useful for comparing how different cars stack up.
Car
Mercilago
“Mercilago” is the Lamborghini Murciélago, a famous high-power V12 supercar. They’re planning to have it at the track so they can compare it against other quick cars.
Car
TVR Tuscan
The TVR Tuscan is a sports car made by TVR. It’s designed to be fast and fun to drive. In the podcast, they’re mentioning it as one of the cool cars they wanted to include.
Term
inlet manifold
The inlet manifold is part of the engine that routes air (and sometimes fuel) to the cylinders. If it’s off, the engine is being worked on and isn’t fully assembled/running normally yet.
Term
injectors
Injectors are the parts that spray fuel into the engine. If they’re not plugged in, the engine won’t get the right fuel control to run properly.
Term
MOT fails
MOT is the UK’s yearly safety check for cars. If it “fails,” it means the car didn’t pass that safety test and usually needs repairs before it can be driven legally.
Term
integral body structure
Some cars are built so the body and frame work together as one structure. If the “integral body structure” is corroded, it can weaken the car’s safety and stiffness, not just its looks.
Term
structural rigidity
Structural rigidity is how stiff and solid the car’s body/frame is. If it’s reduced, the car can flex more than it should, which can affect handling and safety.
Term
body mounts
Body mounts are the brackets/points that hold the car’s body securely to the rest of the structure. If they’re corroded, the body can shift or feel loose, and repairs can be more involved than simple rust treatment.
Term
chassis
The chassis is the car’s main structural base. If the body isn’t connected to it, that’s a big red flag because the car may not be safely held together.
Term
rear brake pads imbalanced
It sounds like the brake pads on the back wheels aren’t equally worn or matched. That can make the car brake unevenly, which may cause pulling and uneven wear.
Term
Main beam telltale
That’s the dashboard light that tells you when your high beams are on. If it’s broken, you might not realize you’re using high beams.
Company
Carvertical
Carvertical is a service that looks up a car’s history to help spot problems you might not notice in person. It’s used to find hidden damage before buying or inspecting further.
Car
Land Rover Range Rover
A Range Rover is a large luxury SUV made for comfort and everyday driving, but it can also handle rough roads. People talk about it a lot because it’s one of the brand’s most well-known models. The podcast mention sounds like they’re waiting to get to it.
Car
F90M5 competition
This is a BMW M5 Competition, which is the fast, performance-focused version of the 5 Series. “F90” is just the internal code BMW uses for that generation of the M5.
Term
private number plate
That means a personalized license plate with letters/numbers chosen by the owner. It’s not just a random plate number.
Concept
registered as a learner's car
It means the car was set up legally for learner drivers. That usually comes with extra rules compared to normal car registration.
Car
Audi Rs3
This is an Audi RS 3, which is Audi’s sporty version of the A3. “Saloon” here means the four-door version.
Term
taxi plates
“Taxi plates” means the official markings that legally identify a car as a taxi. They’re saying chauffeur cars can be nice, but they usually aren’t licensed to operate as taxis.
Term
private hire vehicles
Private hire vehicles are cars you book ahead (not typically something you can hail like a taxi). The hosts are contrasting that with regular taxis and what you’d expect to see.
Concept
taxi-taxi
“Taxi-taxi” just means a real, licensed taxi you’d expect to be able to hail. They’re using it to explain why the rules and expectations are different from private hire cars.
Car
Toyota Prius
A Prius is a Toyota hybrid car, which means it uses both a gasoline engine and an electric motor. It’s designed to use less fuel than many regular cars. The podcast is referencing it by name as part of a lineup or topic.
Car
ML63
The Mercedes-AMG ML63 is a performance SUV (bigger than a normal sports car) that they use like a work vehicle. Here they’re talking about a problem where the wheel came off because the wheel wasn’t properly secured.
Term
wheel bolt
Wheel bolts are the fasteners that hold the wheel onto the car. If none of them are actually gripping, the wheel can fall off.
Term
spacers
Wheel spacers are like thin metal rings that move your wheel outward. If you use them, you usually need the right-length bolts so the wheel is clamped on safely.
Term
hub
The hub is the part of the axle where the wheel mounts. The bolts/studs clamp the wheel to the hub, which is what keeps the wheel secure.
Term
studs
Studs are threaded posts sticking out from the hub. The wheel uses them to stay tight—if there isn’t enough thread engagement, it can be unsafe.
Term
bearing
A bearing is a small part that helps moving parts spin smoothly. If a wheel bearing fails, the wheel can start to move strangely and can become unsafe.
Term
wheel sitting slightly out of the arch
If the wheel looks like it’s sitting farther out than normal, something may be broken in the suspension or the wheel mounting. That’s a big warning sign because it can mean the wheel isn’t secure.
Term
brake disc
The brake disc is the round metal part the brake pads squeeze to stop the car. If the wheel ends up on it, that usually means the wheel mounting failed and the wheel isn’t attached correctly.
Term
impact gun
An impact gun is a heavy-duty power tool that helps loosen or tighten bolts fast. It’s especially useful for wheel bolts when they’re stuck or tight.
Term
locking wheel nut
A locking wheel nut is a special bolt for the wheel that needs a unique key to remove. If you lose the key, you can’t take the wheel off the normal way.
Part
rear subframe
A rear subframe is like a strong metal support structure at the back of the car. It holds important parts in place, like the suspension. If it comes loose, it can make the car unsafe, so it needs to be repaired properly.
Car
Oldsmobile Intrigue
The Oldsmobile Intrigue is a mid-size sedan, meaning it’s a regular four-door car with comfort-focused design. The podcast mention sounds like they were looking at one because it caught their attention. It’s being brought up as a car they noticed or researched.
Car
Jaguar Ipace
The Jaguar I-Pace is Jaguar’s electric SUV. The point here is that used I-Paces are getting much cheaper as they get older—so they’re no longer priced like a brand-new luxury car.
Car
Toyota A90
The Supra is a sports car made by Toyota that’s built to be quick and fun to drive. The podcast description sounds like they’re talking about a specific version with an electric battery and a stated range/mileage. It’s likely being discussed as a particular car they saw or considered.
Term
batteries go at like 100k
They’re talking about how EV batteries don’t last forever. After a lot of miles—like around 100,000—the battery usually still works, but it may hold less charge than when it was new. That can reduce range and make the car worth less.
Term
warranty
Here, “warranty” means the company’s promise to cover certain problems for a set time or mileage. For EVs, that often includes the battery, so buyers feel safer about long-term battery issues. It’s part of why a used EV might cost less.
Car
Audi Etron
This is Audi’s all-electric SUV. The conversation is about how long its battery lasts and whether high mileage makes the battery worse. That’s why a used one can cost less than you’d expect.
Car
Audi's e-tron GT
The Audi e-tron GT is Audi’s fully electric “big cruiser” car. The discussion here is about what happens to its price after a few years—especially once lease deals and warranty coverage are no longer helping the value.
Term
depreciation
Depreciation just means the car gets cheaper as time goes on. If lots of people are selling similar cars at the same time (like after leases end), prices can fall fast.
Term
company car tax
Company car tax is how the government taxes cars that your employer provides. If EVs get a better tax deal, more people choose to lease them because it can be cheaper than other options.
Concept
leasing them for three years
Leasing means you rent the car for a fixed period, usually with set payments. If lots of people lease the same type of car and then return them after a few years, used prices can drop.
Car
Tesla Model
The Tesla Model Y is an electric SUV/crossover that runs on a battery instead of gasoline. It’s popular and widely sold, so you see a lot of them. The podcast is comparing it to the Model 3 and talking about when they became common.
Car
Tesla Model 3
The Tesla Model 3 is an electric car that got very popular. The hosts are talking about how many of them you see and how the price can drop a lot, especially for used cars.
Car
Audi Q3 e-tron
The Audi Q3 e-tron is an electric SUV from Audi. They’re using it as an example of an EV you might find cheap and then struggle to get started.
Car
Porsche Taycans
The Porsche Taycan is Porsche’s electric car. It’s the kind of car people associate with performance, but the hosts are discussing how the price might drop a lot in the future.
Term
Barn find
A “barn find” is a car that’s been sitting unused for a long time, like in storage. The hosts are implying it might be cheap, but you may have to work to get it running again.
Car
Audi Q3
The Audi Q3 is a smaller luxury SUV/crossover. The podcast mentions an “e-tron” version, which usually means it’s an electric or electrified model. They’re also referencing sponsorship, so it sounds like a specific car they saw or used in a promotion.
Brand
Nocco batteries
NOCO is a company that makes battery chargers and jump starters. The hosts bring it up because they’re trying to get a car to turn on when the battery may be dead.
Car
Polestar 2s
The Polestar 2 is an electric car that’s meant to look a bit more premium than some other EVs. The hosts are talking about how much one might cost compared with other electric models.
Car
Volkswagen Id3S
The VW ID.3 is Volkswagen’s electric hatchback. They’re saying there are a lot of them for sale, and they’re giving rough price/mileage examples.
Term
electric car
An electric car runs on electricity stored in a battery. The hosts are using it to talk about how these cars can be harder to resell for strong money, depending on the market.
Car
Mercedes EQC
The Mercedes EQC is Mercedes-Benz’s electric SUV. The hosts are talking about how, when you try to sell or trade an electric car like this, the price can drop a lot—so it may not feel like a good “investment.”
Part
suspension arm
A suspension arm is part of the system that connects the wheels to the car’s body. If it has a problem, the car can feel off or make noises, and it may need repair.
Term
battery pack
The battery pack is the big battery in an electric car that powers the motor. The speaker is saying that batteries are expected to age and eventually fail, so it’s easier to predict that risk.
Car
Nissan Leaf
The Nissan Leaf is an electric car. The hosts are using it as an example of how an EV can lose range over time—so what was once a “100-mile” expectation can drop much lower in real use.
Car
Tesla Model S
The Tesla Model S is an electric car. Instead of gas, it runs on a big battery, and the hosts are talking about what happens when it racks up a lot of miles—especially whether the battery still has enough capacity.
Term
battery work
“Battery work” means anything that needs fixing or servicing in the car’s main battery. If that battery has problems, it can reduce how far the car can go.
Term
80% capacity
Battery capacity is basically how much charge the battery can hold. If it’s down to 80%, the car can’t go as far as it used to, but it may still be totally usable.
Term
12-volt battery
Electric cars still have a small 12-volt battery, kind of like a normal car. It runs the electronics, and if it dies, the car may not start even if the big battery is fine.
Car
La Ferrari
The Ferrari LaFerrari is a rare, very expensive supercar. It uses both a gas engine and an electric motor, which is part of why it’s so special to collectors.
Term
V12
A V12 is an engine with 12 cylinders arranged in a V shape. In this case, it’s the kind of engine the Ferrari F50 uses, and it’s not turbocharged.
Term
turbos
“Turbos” are devices that cram extra air into an engine to help it make more power. The point here is that the Ferrari F50 doesn’t have turbos—it makes power from its naturally aspirated V12.
Car
288 GTO
The Ferrari 288 GTO is an older Ferrari from the 1980s that’s famous for being turbocharged and very performance-focused. People love it because it feels like a serious, special machine even by today’s standards.
Car
Enzo LaFerrari
The Ferrari Enzo LaFerrari is a supercar Ferrari made to show off its best technology. It’s a mid-engine car and it’s famous because it’s named after Enzo Ferrari and is very collectible.
Concept
Holy Trinity
“Holy Trinity” here just means a person’s favorite “top three” legendary cars. It’s not an official car term—more like a nickname for the most iconic trio in their mind.
Car
Zonda
The Zonda is a very famous supercar from Pagani. It’s known for being special and rare, and it’s often mentioned alongside other legendary exotic cars.
Car
Slr Claren
The SLR McLaren is a supercar made by Mercedes with McLaren involvement. It’s known for being a special, high-performance car rather than a normal everyday model. The podcast is listing it alongside other supercars they mentioned.
Car
LP640s
“LP640s” is a Lamborghini Gallardo LP640. It’s a supercar with a big V10 engine and it was a major early-2000s Lamborghini that people really got excited about.
Car
Bugatti Veyron
The Bugatti Veyron is a top-level supercar made by Bugatti. It’s known for being extremely fast and for setting big performance expectations in its era. The podcast is mentioning it as a key early-2000s hypercar.
Concept
hybrid trinity
“Hybrid trinity” is a nickname people use for three famous hybrid supercars that came out around the same time. The point is that they made hybrids feel normal in the fastest cars, not just in regular cars.
Concept
hybrid bits
“Hybrid bits” means the electric parts in a hybrid car, like a motor and battery. They can help the car feel powerful even if the gas engine is smaller.
Term
twin turbo
“Twin turbo” means the engine has two turbochargers. Turbos cram extra air into the engine, which helps it make more power—often making the car feel punchy when you accelerate.
Term
manual
“Manual” here means you shift gears yourself with a clutch pedal. It makes the car feel more hands-on and can feel more intense because you control the engine speed directly.
Term
special edition
A “special edition” is a version of a car that’s meant to be different from the regular one—often limited, with unique styling or upgrades. The hosts are saying the Ferrari F40 was treated as a special version rather than a completely new design.
Car
F80
F80 is the BMW M3 generation. It’s a fast BMW performance car, and in this ranking the host is saying it’s near the bottom compared with the Ferraris they’re talking about.
Term
Mustache delete
“Mustache delete” is a nickname for a cosmetic mod where someone removes a small front grille/trim piece to change the car’s face. The host is calling out that a particular car has had that look change.
Term
gearbox hanging out the back
The host is pointing out that the car’s transmission is positioned toward the back because of how the engine is laid out. That layout can help the car handle better, and it also looks dramatic.
Car
F40
The Ferrari F40 is one of the most famous “old-school” Ferraris—fast, loud, and built to feel raw rather than refined. It’s also known as the last Ferrari Enzo Ferrari signed off on.
Car
Ferrari F50
The Ferrari F50 is a special Ferrari supercar from the 1990s. It’s famous for having a V12 engine with an F1-style pedigree and for a super “race car” layout, including a very driver-focused interior and a design that shows off the exhaust.
Term
LED dash
An LED dash means the gauges and indicators are shown using LED lights. It usually looks sharper and is easier to read than older-style instrument lighting.
Term
wing integrated
An integrated wing is a spoiler that’s designed as part of the car’s body. It can help stability at speed, and it also looks cleaner than a bolt-on wing.
Car
Ferrari Enzo
The Ferrari Enzo is a very famous Ferrari supercar. It was made to honor Enzo Ferrari and it’s known for being a serious, high-tech, mid-engine machine.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car made by Porsche. It’s known for being fast and for its distinctive design. The podcast is talking about how impressive it is compared to another car they mentioned.
Concept
auction estimate
An auction estimate is the predicted price range for what a car might sell for. They mention a range in euros to show how the listing valued the car before bidding.
Topic
investment buying vs using the car
They’re talking about whether people buy expensive cars to drive them or to treat them like investments. The story here is about a car that was bought, stored, and then sold for profit.
Concept
Cat D
“Cat D” is a UK label for a car that’s been in an accident or had damage serious enough to be recorded, but not the worst category. It usually means the car’s history is more complicated, which can make it harder to sell for top money.
Car
Lotus type 135
They’re teasing a new Lotus called “type 135.” The big hint is that you can see exhaust pipes at the back, which usually means it’s not fully electric.
Term
tailpipes
Tailpipes are the pipes coming out of the back of the car that let exhaust gases out. If you see them, it usually means the car isn’t fully electric.
Term
hybrid V8
A “hybrid V8” means the car has a V8 gas engine plus an electric motor. The electric part helps the car move and can make it feel quicker, especially at low speeds.
Term
crushed carbon
“Crushed carbon” is carbon fiber that’s been made to look wrinkled or textured instead of smooth. It’s mainly a styling finish that makes the car look more exotic and expensive.
LIVE
Why do we always make up vets like medieval peasants?
By the winter's dawn, you won't do this.
Come the first April shower, you shout not by a car.
It's been a weird day for it though, it's been sunny, but just...
Always good topic for podcasts, the weather of the day.
Hello and welcome to the CREAM podcast, the 84th Cars Rule Everything Around Me podcast
with myself, Will Edwin to my right and Benjamin just over there behind the camera
at the beginning of every single podcast, we ask ourselves if cars have ruled or ruined
our lives this week, Benjamin, my bye. Would you like to kick us off?
I'm going for a rule. Why's that then?
My last week's ruin was rather lackluster.
Why is that? What was it?
I said I had to do basic car things like an MOT, but I had a lot to do last week, so you know,
I was feeling it. Done.
Done.
Yeah, MOT, fine. What advisory?
What advisory?
We've got a cut in my tyre, which is not cool.
That's from when I tried to slash it, sorry about that.
Yeah, that's great. It's one of the... It's like not... It's not a big deal.
He said to me, maybe get them changed at some point, but it's safe.
Did you say actually they all have cuts in them? They are for dispersing water.
Yeah, that's where the wheels go, that big hole in the middle.
Actually, obviously I don't have slicks, I can have doors underwalled.
I looked at it, it's less of a cut and more like the sidewall has sort of split slightly,
it's weird.
Interesting, it's because you've been herring into those corners at 190 miles an hour.
I'm sitting on the M4.
It's that dreadful fit bit of yours.
On the golf.
Then the fitment, I was about to say, what's the opposite of a Meister, a loser?
Well, that being said, it's MOT that has one advisory, but fine.
And the S2000, I haven't sold it yet. I've had many messages about possibly selling it.
Now, we are a few weeks ahead because we have upcoming holidays and things.
So by now, it might have been gone.
As the listeners are listening, it may have been gone.
This is possibly the way it goes.
And you definitely don't have a new car.
You definitely don't.
We know that for sure.
No, I don't.
That's not even a teaser.
I don't have one.
We've been bullying Ben all day because he keeps going, I can't, can't.
I haven't said that.
I didn't want to say that.
What happens is, is that they make a point, I say my response,
and they just don't listen and carry on with their point.
That's not true.
That's just simply not true.
We do listen.
We just disagree.
Then that's fine.
Ben is the greatest.
You are the greatest creator of obstacles.
Yeah.
You are like a game creator.
It is just throwing in hurdles.
I've literally told you in plain English about six times exactly what my plan is.
Well, if you do it in a different language, then please.
I don't speak any other languages.
Ben does 100 meter hurdles.
He gets over the last one and just before he crosses the line,
he turns around, looks back and goes, those hurdles look nice.
I'm going back that way.
I'm going to trip over.
And then just before that, he shoots himself in his leg.
He goes, gets the starter gun and goes, bang and blows his foot off.
I will buy a car at some point.
We have this bet that I won't buy one by the end of the year.
Well, it's coming up millhouse for you because there was the bet that you
wouldn't move out by Summer Solstice.
That wasn't part of the podcast, but we could talk about it.
No, I'm just saying in general L's, that's looking like it's going to be fine.
Close though, I will say it's a close.
Oh, I also hate that.
We had this bit of camera that basically I said, I'm moving.
And then Will said, now you're not going to move by Summer Solstice.
I said, cool, whatever.
Why do we always make our bets like medieval peasants?
Why do we choose by the winter's dawn?
He will do it by Summer Solstice on the first April shower.
You shall not buy a car.
And I am now moving.
But apparently now that's not okay because it's too close to Summer Solstice.
No, I just think it's a shallow win.
But then on the flip side, you do have selling the S2000 before Summer Solstice,
which you may or may not.
So it's the other car I want to keep S200, because of course I like the plate.
So I've taken that off and then when you do that,
you have to have a new V5 document sent to you before you can switch over.
So I've now taken the plate off, put the old plate back on.
It fell off.
Nice.
Which was good.
And now I'm just waiting for a V5.
It's good.
Because you've got a little wash.
Someone's going away very happy with that car.
I'll be very annoyed to see that cargo.
Oh, well, you could buy it.
No, I don't want that for me.
Okay.
I want, I had to, after driving it, I wasn't that impressed by them.
But not because of the engine, right?
Yeah, no, not because of your car.
But have we, well, we explained about the wheels,
but we have to get on to that in a bit.
But sorry, is that...
That could be ruined, actually.
Nah, surely not.
Overall, it's a rule because golf is chilling for a bit.
Actually, the S2000 is almost ready to be sold.
And that's...
And thus end the fleet.
No, I have a car still.
I'm going to buy another car.
I just don't buy it.
I don't think the creamers buy it.
We don't buy a bed and talking about this car.
I won't buy it.
I'll have an update.
Oh, here we go.
On you, Les.
Okay.
Just a quick one.
I won.
Again?
Again.
Is it 33 nil then?
It's a three round match.
I've won every single round.
They keep getting back up off the canvas
and you just keep smacking them back down.
That's got to be TKO now.
That's got to be full.
You're done.
I called them and I said,
because I originally called them saying
you need to cancel these extra things
you didn't cancel and now I'm liable to.
Now what did you actually say?
Can't I please cancel it?
I don't know what I said.
I was probably polite.
Yeah, nothing wrong with manners, is it?
Being rude won't make the PCNs cancel any quicker.
And they said,
yeah, on the Friday, they said,
on Monday you will receive an email
saying they cancel.
I said, cool.
Never received anything.
On Thursday that week I called them
and I was like, yo, what's going on?
And they said, I'm so sorry.
They were very apologetic.
And they cancelled them.
Have an email confirmation.
There you go.
So often come free.
But you've had confirmation before, have you not?
You've felt off the hook before.
And they just pulled you back in.
They sent me a screenshot of their system.
Sorry.
I don't know if they're allowed to do that,
but anyway, they did.
So they hold desktop.
You can see all their files on there.
Thanks, Cooko, for in the background.
Just got the podcast and another tab.
Yeah, well, that would be tough.
And I just would say all of the list of all of them.
And then it said all of them were cancelled now,
including the two they didn't cancel.
And I also found all of the PCNs the other day
and I counted them and they were 16.
So for now, Ben Rogers is safe from the PCN.
I'm sure they'll come back for some more,
but listen, we fought before.
Let's go again.
Round four is good.
You know what it is?
It's like sequels in movies where you go,
I don't think it's going to stand up to the first.
And you're like, I've actually kind of pleasantly
surprised that was quite good.
I quite like that one.
Yeah, but we're not making it a fourth.
So for four, we should be now PCN four is what we should...
No, sorry, we should just be PCN N.
What would be the first one?
It would be the PCN and the Ben Rogers, maybe.
If we want to go, yeah.
And then we'd be two PCN, two Ben Rogers.
Parking in the charge.
Then it would be...
The parking in the charge notice.
Then it would be PCN, Ben Rogers, Bristol issues, perhaps.
And then this one should be...
Bristol Rift.
Then it should just be PCN and Ben.
Okay.
That's what we're on right now.
Well, if anyone at Bristol City Council is listening,
please just leave me alone.
Thanks so much.
Perfect.
And the last one's last PCN.
That's it.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I...
Oh, is it me?
Well, you are hosting the intro, so you decide.
Yeah.
Do you want to do yourself?
Let's do me.
I've been trying to think about what it's going to be.
I think it's a rule, despite the fact that
there is still no mess you're not going to find.
There's a red car behind us.
There is a red car behind us, which we will get on to.
We worked out what is it going to be four weeks now,
four podcasts?
Come...
Oh.
Okay.
I wasn't up for it.
By the time this podcast's out,
we will be probably coming up on a couple of months, I think.
Yeah, it must be coming up for two months.
Must be coming up for two months at that point.
You should have it by then.
I will have it by then, almost certainly.
Okay.
Yesterday was a very good day.
I've been going through it for the last week because
there's been some not issues as such,
just really annoying paperwork stuff.
So with finance stuff, especially with auction and whatever else,
it just gets a bit odd.
So they've been waiting to pay out for the car.
There was an issue with the V5.
I was panicking for a while because I got a call saying,
hey, we're going to pay out, but we found out there's no V5,
so we don't want to pay out until we see a V5.
It's like, that's annoying.
I didn't know that.
Why isn't there a V5?
That car hasn't had a V5 for the last five years.
And for people outside of the UK,
V5 is essentially like our proof of ownership,
but it's not a proof of ownership.
It's just a piece of paper that says,
I'm taking care of this car right now.
This is the person who,
it's where speeding tickets would go to and whatever else.
It's your title or where PCNs go to.
Exactly that.
So there was, there wasn't one of those.
And basically the car's been off the road for five years
and hasn't been taxed for five years
and hasn't had a V5 for five years.
So you then have to go off and do a thing called a V62,
which is where you put a form out
and you say, this is me, I've lost a V5,
here's the 25 pounds, please send a new one.
I was told that that previous owner did that
shortly before the auction.
And as it sits, we're coming up on four weeks,
which means that that should be done by now.
It isn't.
But how long does the V62 take usually?
Could take two weeks.
Could take four to six weeks.
Six is about like the most it should be.
But average, what are we saying?
It's probably four weeks, normally.
We've done them before and normally you're waiting a month.
Sometimes they're very fast.
It depends.
If you've got more details, the better.
If you know the previous person's postcode,
what sort of stuff, it speeds it up a lot.
But the problem is, I'm not doing it.
I'm relying on the previous owner doing it.
And yeah, they said they did it before the auction.
When before the auction, I have no idea.
And then I heard that they called me and said,
oh no, actually we don't need the V5, so good.
So they said to me yesterday, yeah, all good.
We're going to pay out.
And then I got another call today saying,
oh no, they didn't pay out.
They just want a couple more details.
Can you confirm that you know the car was crash damaged?
Blah, blah, blah.
So I've sent another email and apparently that is it.
That is all.
And tomorrow the car will be paid for.
And I can go and get the car picked up.
So the car has been sat in storage for three and a bit weeks.
Almost four weeks now.
I'm hoping end of this week.
So we're filming this on Wednesday by Friday.
Your hair bent.
I'm here Friday because I was going to miss it.
I'm off next week.
If I can get someone to pick it up on that short notice
in a sort of enclosed thing, then Friday.
Because also we've got a little exciting happening next week.
Always well.
It will be out, I think by then.
It's going to be great guys.
I can't wait.
So we'll say it now because it's up in the air.
We'll put this into the ether.
Behind us is the Audi RS6.
The power will be revealed definitely by then.
We made a lot of power with this car as you've probably seen.
For us, that was just a day or two ago.
But the goal for it was to take it to Dunsfold
to the Top Gear Test Track and race it against some faster cars.
And we wanted the Mercilago and the Tuscan to be there.
Because that's cool.
And we wanted our mate Benjamin to be there.
Because we said Benjamin, this is going to be a great day.
There's going to be supercars there.
It's going to be all of our cars.
It's going to be awesome.
We're going to have a great day at the Top Gear Test Track,
the place we watched when we were...
And then we went, I'm off to Barbados.
True or untrue?
True.
You chartered the private jet to go from Dunsfold as well
to block our filming.
And you said to me, why don't you turn it around
and stay a couple more days?
And I said, no.
It's crazy.
You've got to go sit on a beach.
Just have the boys on the Top Gear Test Track
and you're going to miss out on that.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Meanwhile, my holiday has been booked for like seven months.
I can't just stop that.
Yeah. Well, we booked this last week.
So what comes first?
By the way, perhaps we had a great time.
Perhaps we did.
I don't know.
Perhaps only one of us is here.
No.
Because it's all up in the air.
The R6 is currently good.
It's inlet manifold off and none of the injectors are currently plugged in.
Mercilago still hasn't arrived yet.
So, and the TBR is outside on Jacksonstown.
Yes.
So it's going well.
We've got basically two days, actually, realistically,
to get that all sorted.
So yeah, rule for me.
Alpha's still working, which is always positive.
Other than that, hopefully the next podcast,
we might see a Mercilago.
I goddamn hope it.
I'm going to say ruin because it's no reason to rule,
but in a down side.
Oh, I've not heard of no reason to rule before.
Because nothing, everything has got, not everything has gone wrong.
A lot of annoying little things have gone wrong where,
so I wanted to take the get the wheels refurbished on the Tuscan,
but I was ill over the weekend.
So I didn't have a chance to do anything yesterday,
which means I had to take the wheels off,
leave the car on jack stands and take the wheels off manually.
As opposed to usually just, I just give it,
you could just give it to them.
They'll do it there.
I can have it back.
But in order to get it done in time,
because we have a friend's wedding this weekend,
I wanted to take that.
And I have to do an engine service.
That's now stuck outside in the rain in a hail for some reason.
I was supposed to do some of that today.
And then also when we went to,
I went over to Holland this last weekend to pick up a car.
I kept seeing Range Rover classics.
I don't have one.
And it's annoying me.
And there's still none.
Is there a couple of...
There was one.
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There was one that came up sale that looked kind of cool.
Actually, Will, I'll let you please read A.
Firstly, this car didn't have much information on it.
It said, yeah, just like a range of classics,
black is 3.9.
It's pretty cool.
Just messing with me if you want any info around the plate.
If you'd like to look at the mileage.
And we've got 127,000 miles.
And then it just goes down.
Yeah.
It goes up and then it goes back down.
And then it goes back down.
So it's been clocked twice.
And then if you just scroll to the next photo,
Co, if you could look at...
I think it's about in the middle of that MOT fails.
You should see one that I haven't seen before.
It was quite interesting.
Offside front integral body structure is corroded,
but structural rigidity is not significantly reduced.
Both body mounts inside the wheel arch.
Yeah.
And then the next one is...
Body's not connected to the chassis, mate.
So...
Yeah.
Not significant.
There's rear brake pads imbalanced.
Main beam telltale not working.
Many things.
There's quite a lot of wrong with that car.
So I didn't end up going any further with that car.
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But yeah.
So no Range Rover.
It's just nothing's happened yet.
But I'm still very happy with the Tuscan.
I had new tyres to put on it.
So I finished the last of the tyres.
They looked interesting.
They finished.
They are finished.
It looked like a T-Rex took a bite out of one of the treads.
Yeah.
And where they went, I don't know.
I don't know where the tyres went.
It's tough to say.
You have to ask the local farmers where the tyres went.
You must have had a very small rodent nibbling away at your wheels in the night.
It was that.
It was a remnant, wasn't it?
You transferred them from a solid to a sort of gas.
Gas.
Yeah.
It's their cloud matter now.
Yeah.
You did a marking.
Street marking.
Graffiti.
Graffiti.
Marked for territory.
So not a significant ruin.
But just a...
So that's two rolls in a ruin.
Yeah.
Classic.
Sorry to bring it down, gang.
Classic.
Oh well.
You know, there's always got to be one.
There always has to be one.
There's always one.
Let's start off, Benjamin.
Here we go.
Can you put in here wild taxi?
I'm going to fire up an image to you in our cream podcast chat.
A remake.
And you're going to look at this taxi.
Crazy taxi.
And tell me whether you would get in this taxi.
Okay.
And describe it.
Is it in this country?
I saw this in the car park on Saturday.
Okay.
So this is a current UK taxi.
Can I understand what car park?
Just to get...
This was in Cabot Circus car park.
Lovely.
I don't know what that means.
Oh.
That is a...
Big multi-story car park in the middle of...
Oh, I've seen this.
I've seen this.
What?
Sorry, is that an F90M5 competition?
It is an F90M5 competition.
Taxi.
It's a private number plate as well.
Now, this is what I'm wondering.
Because I have seen this.
I was taught...
Wasn't this...
It was in a Jim Skiing clip, I think.
I'm fairly sure that was.
Not a joke.
Well, hey.
Yeah, no, literally worse.
Yes.
I haven't seen this.
I think because there was a story and a video of a guy in Birmingham
who had an RS3 saloon who had a guest,
but it was registered as a learner's car.
Now, I'm wondering if registering the car as a learner's car in your business
allows them to A, write the car off as a business expense,
and B, show that they're doing mileage in the car and driving around the day.
So, I'm wondering if that's what they've done.
They've registered it as a taxi.
You've gone, I'm using it as a taxi.
And they're just driving this car.
That's fine.
The only thing that they've had to do is add a little taxi side to their number plate.
Completely fine.
But I will wave you down.
Yeah, no.
If I see that coming towards me, it's got a taxi plate.
I'm waving you down.
You're taking me where I need to go.
Can you turn the traction off?
Can we do a skip?
Yeah, sorry, mate.
It's just left up here.
If you could just sort of like bang it in.
But with a private bridge as well, M5, private range.
And it's a later, and that's a phase stuff with the sort of later lights.
Just sideways on the locks.
So, are you being busy today, mate?
So, anyone who knows finance stuff and what such,
who knows why you might do that?
Or is it just because it's not sensible at all?
Maybe like I could see like some of the sort of chauffeur companies
maybe having an M5,
because some of them have SVRs and whatever else.
None of them have taxi plates.
But that is because they're private hire vehicles.
Whereas this is taxi-taxi.
Yeah, this is.
Which in theory should mean he has to be able to,
or she has to be hailable.
Is that what a taxi means?
Now, if I order an Uber,
and I still know it says their name,
and then like they're coming in a Prius.
Is arriving in Prius?
Yeah, and I see M5.com.
I'm like, yo, yo, no way.
It says five-series or similar.
People arrive.
You go, that's a bloody M5.
Or is it, is it bandaged up?
Oh, no, surely not.
It looked, I had a little look.
It looked legit to me.
Okay.
Also, the photo you've sent is fantastic, by the way.
Yeah, it'll be an overlay, I'm sure.
But I looked at it at first and thought that's just glass.
I saw it for the window.
You've sent it through a glass window
that has some opaque drawings on it too.
So you can just barely make it.
For Will and I, easy, easy game.
Love that game.
I thought you were going to talk about the car and the distance.
Which I can also see is a one-series.
I was busy.
I had to buy shorts.
So I didn't have much time.
For your Barbados holiday, of course.
Which is when you took that taxi, right?
No, I just took this taxi.
Mad that I've just seen this taxi.
Crazy that I saw that.
Why is it a joke now?
I'll take him one week off.
Crazy that I saw this taxi.
Yeah, one week off for the last two weeks.
You're taking two weeks off the week after.
On to our ML63 tow car.
Yes, definitely.
Our ML63 tow car is certainly our tow car
and has been our tow car for a little while.
It's been used for lunch runs.
It's been used for parts runs.
It gets used.
And today we went in to luncheon it.
Today, no.
No, we didn't do that at all.
No, we didn't.
We took a different car.
Because the wheel fell off our ML63 the other day.
Smooth, smooth off.
Not a single wheel bolt holding it in.
And for many of you, we'll be going,
I bet it was the spacers.
It kind of was.
You're kind of correct.
So we have on basically all cars that we run personally,
I will only ever use a spacer which essentially goes in between the wheel,
in between the hub and the wheel.
You have the wheel hub.
You have your studs going out or your bolts going in.
You either get lengthened bolts going in
or you get extended studs going out.
Some cars where they have studs coming out,
can't be extended too much.
So they only have so much space to give, if that makes sense.
So you either have to whack those old studs out
and put longer ones in.
Or you have to,
or you have to put spaces in that essentially
have bolts that bolt them to the hub
and then have new bolts coming off the spacer
that go onto the wheel and then tighten into there.
That's what we had on the ML.
And I've never been a big fan of them.
I've never really trusted them.
But we were like, oh, it'd be fine.
It wasn't fine.
It wasn't fine.
We were driving to lunch, four up as well.
And also the other guys next door or to Alex,
they were basically all out.
So we had no, there was no backup available anywhere.
We were driving along.
I was driving and we just heard this rotational noise.
And every now and then the ML makes a little rotational noise.
And we were sort of trying to figure out what it was.
And I was like, I kept going away and coming back.
And then I started to try and load it up left and right
to see like, is it a bearing?
What side is it coming from?
Jay and Patrick were like, no, be fine, fine.
I was, I had the door open leading out going,
was this nice?
Person on the other side of the road wasn't happy about it.
Not happy at all.
That I had my door open while driving.
And then I was steering left and right a bit.
And I thought, you know,
it seems to be on a left hand turn a bit.
So I gave it a little bit of a left hand turn.
And then I just, we just heard a, I looked in my wing mirror
and I just saw the wheel sitting slightly out of the,
out of the arch.
So I came to a stop immediately, immediately.
And thankfully we were doing maybe 10, maybe 15 miles an hour.
So it came to a stop.
And yet the wheel had to completely fall off.
And luckily, kind of luckily, I guess,
it hadn't fallen off and then just gone down the road.
It was sitting on the brake disc,
which does mean the inside of the wheel is completely mashed,
although reusable, it is fine.
But yeah, we had to get Josh, some of the merch stuff here,
to run us down a jack and the, what's it called, impact gun.
So to remove, to jack the car up,
I then had to remove the spacer from the wheel.
Luckily the end of the Mercedes bolts.
They were fine.
They were totally fine.
Wouldn't you believe it?
So we had to put two in.
Luckily, three had sheared off in the hub, but not luckily.
But luckily there were two left.
So we could bolt it to there,
but then we just trailed it back afterwards.
Yeah.
And then Josh then gave me a lift back, got the trailer,
which luckily there was another trailer.
Otherwise we would have not been in a great shape.
Got the car back here and then you on Monday got mostly repaired.
So that's repaired.
And now the locking wheel nut is lost.
So I can't take the other spacers off the other wheels.
So the car's still kind of out of action.
So it's nice.
So, you know, ML doing great.
ML is going, it likes to put, it works.
And it has its little foibles,
those are electronic foibles every now and then.
But then just once every sort of 5,000 miles,
it goes, I think I'll explode.
I'll hit you with something big.
I think I'll smash the back window in.
I think a wheel will fall off.
And it's never like that bad.
No.
It just goes, I'm going to inconvenience you on such a grand level.
You want lunch?
Not today.
I don't think so.
I think the rear subframe will fall out actually today.
And I think actually the front glass will smash for no reason.
But so yeah, we need to fix that.
But thankfully it didn't happen at high speed.
So no one hurt.
No one hurt.
But we will be removing all of those spacers.
And if we do it, we'll do it properly and get proper extended studs
and then just do a proper spacer.
Or we will go to China and order some Chinese wheels.
That's what we're going to do.
Chinese wheels for the ML 53.
Original creamer mentioned next up here.
Where is he?
We want to know who it was because we were, this was early days of cream,
at a railway station, come Airbnb in Bedford.
It was three different train tracks surrounding us.
We had to stop the podcast in between trains coming past.
But on that fateful day, Benjamin read out a forum from a man who said,
what?
Oh man.
A person.
A lady.
Shout out to the lady.
It's in there.
If you look at it, it's Natalie B942.
Now this has come from Benjamin.
Yes.
I will say Benjamin has done this research.
So how accurate this is?
I have no idea.
Now this is what I was going to say.
I can't find it.
No, no, hold on, hold on.
This is what I was going to say.
So Natalie posed the question and she said, do the creamers?
And that's when we said, yo, no, we're not going to call ourselves that.
Now, was she the first recorded instance of creamer?
This is what I want to find out.
That's hardest track.
But this is, but that's why I think we need a crowd sourced project.
We need to know who started creaming.
Who started it?
Tough one.
Who's the first use of the word creamer in relation to us?
I guess you could.
There are some other versions of it where some people might have been saying that they are
creaming, which is unpleasant here.
Someone might have said that earlier than saying creamer,
but I think it would be quite nice to know creamer.
So that's what we need.
We need to know, are we giving Natalie her props?
Is she the origin of creamer?
But then you're just saying, you're dangling the credit in front of her.
And then you're just saying, I'm not quite giving you the credit.
We are giving her credit because she is the one that popularized creamer.
She is the one that brought it to the masses.
And for that reason, that's why I wanted to, the main reason
is I want to crown her creamer of the year.
I see.
I see.
History is written by the victors.
Exactly.
She's the dude who made McDonald's a franchise,
but she's not on the McDonald's Brothers.
There it is, right?
She's Elon Musk.
She is an important piece of cream culture.
But if there is an earlier instance of creamer, I'd like it to be found.
So that podcast...
People can state their claim, of course.
It's like Kings when there were Kings and many, many moons ago.
And people would say, actually,
I don't know if this is true at all.
I'm just making up for movies.
So I'm like, actually, I am the true heir to the throne.
Exactly.
It'll be a pauper.
But what I want is the, I want the paintings on the cave walls.
That's what I need to see.
I need to see the OG.
So that podcast was cream number 22.
So you need to go back from there.
If there is any, speak anywhere of creamer, and it can't, yeah,
can't be creaming, can't be...
Creamer.
I want, we are creamers to be the beginning.
And I want that one in my DMs, please.
Go have it on my desk.
Go have it on my desk by Monday.
Please, lovely.
Because I want to make sure that we,
but we track, this is very important.
I want to track it down.
Natalie B942, you are creamer of the year.
You're one of the creamers of the year.
Wow.
And shout out to you for starting it.
Fair play.
We weren't, we weren't on board, but you couldn't, you know what?
The, the, the Kings could not overpower the masses.
It caught on.
And you have to give the people what they want.
I like it now, but for a while it was a tough one.
It was really rough.
Because then people would say it out of context,
like my family would, my, my brother would say it out of context,
like my, my grandmother, and I have to explain,
and it never really translates right.
No.
And yeah, it became quite tough in some situations.
Yeah.
Also, we must apologize, must apologize for the rapture going on outside,
which I believe is hail.
Hail, not what you know.
I think Ben summoned this, this morning.
It's been a weird day for it though.
It's been sunny, but just...
Always good topic for a podcast, the weather of the day.
It's been sunny, and then raining, and then sunny.
What we got there, has it been though?
Let us, at least, I think we've been having speak about this.
That's not English at all.
Benjamin, you've put in here electric car prices, unit chat,
because we talked about this.
Yeah, we did.
We did have this.
Electric car prices, unit chat.
What that was, was we were discussing casually in between takes.
Electric car prices.
In the unit.
In the unit, and we were chatting.
No, basically, I think as Will, somebody said, they saw,
was it a Taycan or something for sale for like £9.80?
I think I said, I looked at purely out of intrigue,
what a sort of fancier electric car is up for sale for,
because some electric cars, and they're old,
but they're getting on a bit now.
You can get some...
In my head, an electric car is three years old maximum.
But they're coming up on 10 years, basically.
And I saw it was some Audi Q something.
But it was like six years old, and it was 11 grand.
If I look for the cheapest Jaguar I-Pace on AutoTrader...
I-Pace was it.
Oh, that's how it came out.
The cheapest Jaguar I-Pace on AutoTrader is £9,900.
£9,000.
Now, I'm not saying they're cool.
I don't like them at all.
I don't think they look nice,
but they do look like you have some air of money.
Yeah.
Like I think to a normal person, they'd go,
that's a lovely new car.
They were like a 60, 70 grand car.
That isn't...
What year is that?
That is a 2020.
2020.
So, that's a six-year-old car.
That is a 2020 car with two years Jaguar warranty.
400.
It's a 400 with a 90 kilowatt battery.
That is 9,900 miles.
How many milages does that have?
That has 76,000 miles.
So, it's not even like moon miles.
If that one goes, there is another one for 9 grand,
and another one.
And none of them are like moon miles.
103,000, 55,000, and 105,000.
55,000, 55,000.
Again, I don't know.
Maybe electric cars are also worse at that mileage.
The 55k one is because it's a private seller.
That's really rough.
And none of them are cat or anything like that?
No, none at all.
So, the one...
There is one that is one of them that is 9,000 pounds.
That was listed in March.
So, that has been for sale for months and just not selling.
And that's 10 grand.
Yeah.
If we look at...
I know like again, I don't know the ins and outs.
Maybe they have major issues.
That's normally why things like that come down quite cheap.
But it still feels like quite a premium car for not a lot of money.
But what would go wrong?
A...
I don't know.
Maybe it's motors.
Maybe it's electronics.
But that doesn't...
But in theory, it's like...
So, that's a warranty.
It says batteries go at like 100k or starts to get worse.
But even from what I've seen, it's not that bad.
2021 Audi e-tron.
That is the Q3 or for whatever it's supposed to be.
Shaped thing.
That, if I see you pull up in that, I'm thinking you're doing...
Well, yourself.
11 grand.
That's the one I was looking at.
It's the crossover SUV type thing.
11 and a half grand.
Now, it's got 90,000 miles on it.
So, I'm sure because of mileage, it degrades the battery or whatever.
But that is impressive.
There is going to be a sea of these cars that no one will want.
And they're relatively premium as well.
They're not...
We're not talking about the cheapest of the cheap electric car.
We're talking about Audi's...
The take-hands are obviously more expensive.
But still, the depreciation that must be insane.
The cheapest e-tron GT, 26,000 pounds.
Are they just being fired out at the end of warranties or something?
It must be.
Five or six years old.
There's no more proper real warranties for them anymore.
At the end of lease deals, that kind of thing.
Please, Ben.
My theory is that...
Remember, in about early COVID times, early 2020,
everyone started getting electric cars.
And I think a lot of it was because I don't know the exact law or whatever it was,
but there was no company car tax on them.
That was one of the incentives.
So a lot of people were basically leasing them for three years
because they got effectively a free car.
They didn't have to have to do any of the other payments
that you typically get mugged off on if you have a company car.
But then everyone did that the same time in 2020.
Three years later, there's hundreds of thousands of cars
that now people aren't going to pay the balloons on.
So they just flood the market with them.
Tesla Model 3 is with the classic.
If you look at early 2021, just everywhere I went,
I saw Tesla Model 3s.
That facelift one, I saw it everywhere.
But in my head, surely Tesla Model 3s,
they can't be at that price yet.
Yeah, they are.
I just looked now.
They're at 10 grand.
You can get one for now.
Eight grand for a Model 3.
What's going on?
Wait, Model 3 being the small one.
The three series size.
Yeah, the one you see everywhere.
I'm looking at other just random models here.
Now, it doesn't interest me to buy,
but it does interest me to see if this makes sense.
It's an odd thing.
I wonder if this is what America in the 70s, 80s,
when all the Japanese cars start to come in
and just take over the market and everyone went,
oh, I'll get rid of these horrible old things.
And all of those old American land barges
that people know, there just was no need for them.
They just went and sat and died
and got sold a couple of hundred quid.
But is there going to be a meta on YouTube in five years time
where it's us buying Porsche Taycans for 500 quid
and crashing them into each other?
No, because they're worth nothing.
Trying to get them started.
Barn find, Audi Q3 e-tron.
Sponsored by Nocco batteries.
Can we turn it on?
First power up.
I'll just look. Sorry.
Taycans, you can give under 30 grand now.
Yeah.
There's Polestar 2s, relatively premium looking.
I think they're about 40 something grand.
17 grand for one here.
That has 60,000 miles on it.
Loads of VW ID3s.
One here with 40,000 miles on it for 13 grand.
Loads and loads and loads of different electric cars that were...
Also, surely if you're a dealer or a trader or whatever
and someone comes in with a par X,
because they just want to get rid of their electric car
or maybe they're buying another electric car, whatever it is,
surely they must be looking at those,
going, I really don't want to buy that.
Yeah.
I really, really don't want to buy that
because it's just going to sit on the four core.
Which probably means they're offering half of what that's worth.
Someone's coming in with like an e-tron Q3 thing and going,
I'll give you five for it.
Yeah.
I don't want this.
Please just take it away.
A 2022, what's it called?
Mercedes EQC.
I'll show you this.
That is the...
That's a car that you think you're making money with, right?
That's a car that if you own, you're making money, right?
You're a bread man.
You're making...
That's 16,000 pounds.
That car has just for context.
And what year is that?
2022 and it has 60,000 miles on it.
Now, granted, it's got a lot of miles for like not very much time, I guess,
but that is a car if I saw.
Roughly four years, 60,000.
It's not that high.
Yeah, that's...
Also, balling on a budget is no longer going and buying a Bentley.
It's going and buying a three-rolled Audi electric car and going,
brand new, mate.
Flex culture about to go crazy with that.
Per private range of that.
People have no idea that's not brand new.
What I'd like to know, maybe I might have a look at that.
Might have a look at that this evening,
is what a warranty is like.
Obviously, they will be after market warranties,
but I don't know how good they are for electric cars.
They're not very good for petrol cars or diesel cars.
But what is a four-year-old car?
How bad is it to go to Audi or to Jaguar or wherever and say,
I want that warranty for another three or four years?
Because if you can still get that for a reasonable price,
it feels like I don't want an electric car,
but it feels like a relatively okay proposition
for something you might just use to get to work in or whatever.
I will tell a personal story.
My dad actually bought a Model 3.
It has a Model 3 because he was going up and down the runway
for work and stuff.
I bought one in that early time when everyone was getting them.
And I think in the three and a half years he had it,
he did like 55,000 miles on it or something.
One set of brake pads.
I think one set of tires.
Charging for that.
And I think one bit of warranty work on suspension arm and that's it.
That's the only maintenance cost that car had at all.
So I can understand why if you want it to be cheap.
I go on, that wasn't the cue for my expert.
Like I wonder if, because warranty companies must have to cover their back
in the same way they do with people.
Because you can't, on a petrol car,
a petrol car is basically fine up until it's not.
You can't foresee issues coming.
Whereas with an electric car,
you know that battery pack is going to fail at some point.
Yeah.
It's like selling health insurance to a young person versus an old person.
You know something might go wrong with the young person,
but the old person is, we're going to be paying out on this.
So let's raise the price on it.
Do the battery packs actually go wrong?
Because I've never heard of anyone having to replace one.
But they decrease.
Yeah, but I would love to know what the actual, in the real world,
when that happens.
Because there's always going to be someone going 22,000 miles after that,
battery's dead.
Do they decrease more or less than an engine?
Because obviously an engine loses some.
Not a huge amount, you see cars that are 20, 30 years old
and they run roughly the same power as they did new.
But a lot of old, like higher mile engines tend to lose a little bit of
either economy or whatever.
Even our Lupo, like that, if that was a brand new car,
it would probably do almost the figures it should do,
but 300,000 miles later, it has degraded.
But I would imagine an electric car, the percentage is higher.
Well, the Nissan Leaf that we looked at,
that was, they were supposed to be 100 miles at it,
it would do 50.
And that's half the amount of range.
And that was in 10 years?
Yeah.
That's rough.
Then the Tesla Model S, the Alex Natlalot bought,
that was almost half a million miles nearly.
Yeah.
That seems, I mean, granted, it wasn't doing 400 miles on range,
but it was still doing probably 60% of what it was from you.
It wasn't, didn't that car have some sort of battery work?
I think it had a warranty.
I thought it was just that it was, that was the legit mileage for taxi.
I don't know.
But yeah, I felt I would love to know what the actual real world thing is.
If it is, and then if it gets to 150,000 miles and you have 80% capacity,
is it actually that bad?
No, especially.
Also, especially if there's no maintenance to it,
no oil changes, none of the...
Hey, man, why not?
Crazy.
The thing that would scare me is the fact that it's got all of the modern
electrics in the car.
Like stuff like there's no, I can't...
If the electrics in the car die like Tesla,
how do I turn the car on?
I can't do that.
But most of them have a 12-volt battery as well.
Yeah.
But what I mean is that like in this RS6,
I'm not going to go example, but in most petrol cars,
you can still start the car and just even would light some a dash.
Whereas electric car, if something goes wrong in the main screen computer,
you're done for, you can't turn it on, you can't go anywhere.
You know, something we may find out,
pro tip, we probably won't.
We won't be buying this.
Unless they're £4.80, then maybe we will.
Then we'll do a demolition derby.
Moving on to something completely different.
I've got a game from you, Edwin, to rank the big six Ferraris.
We did it with the Lamborghinis last week, Benjamin.
I'd like to start off.
So I don't know Ferraris.
Do you know what the big six are?
La Ferrari.
Yep.
F80.
Yep, 80.
The Welsh, the Welsh one.
An Enzo.
Correct.
An F50.
Correct.
That's four.
Yep.
Good numbers.
Now, keep going on that number.
Oh, F40, of course.
There you go.
Then what's the last one?
288 GTO.
We'll never have got that.
Yep.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm going to upset some folks here because I don't know any of them.
Well, there you go.
I'm going to go.
What's last?
Let's start last.
288 GTO, I have no idea what that is.
I'm upsetting to hear that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't care as well.
I'm going to get W comments being like, he doesn't know.
Next one, number five.
Yes.
I'm going to go with an F50.
Whoa.
Because I don't care for it.
It's an interest.
Comparatively to the other book.
Oh, no, I'm not.
I'm not doing that.
I'm not doing that at all.
No, I'm not doing any of that.
I'm starting again.
Do you know about, what do you know about the F50?
Stop.
Can you just summarize an F50 what you know?
I'm not, this is teasing.
I just want to know what you know.
Is a more modern version of an F40.
Okay.
And I think they look worse.
More engine isn't a lot.
It's a V12.
Good stuff.
No turbos or turbos?
No turbos.
Okay, good.
Manual or automatic?
They're only manual.
Okay.
Are they?
Oh yeah, on a F50.
I used to say that too.
It is only a manual.
Complete guess.
I think.
What I'm going to do is I'm going to start again.
Because I had a thought.
There's one of them in there that it will be going last for me.
Okay.
Oh, wow.
That's the F80.
Ah, right.
Okay.
So then you guys, even over a 288 that you have no idea about,
genuinely as a personal thing, surely you prefer,
because you like modern cars.
I guess by default I'd have to, but I don't feel anything to it.
But surely you feel more to it than a 288.
If you saw an F80, you'd go, oh, an F80.
Whereas if you saw a 288, you'd just be like, that's an old Ferrari.
Let me have a look at this thing.
Oh, that's quite cool actually.
288 is very cool to look at.
Yeah.
No, do you know what?
Now I've seen it.
Actually, do you know that car?
Okay.
So you're resetting.
F80, isn't it?
Hey Ben, what would I like to rank your top six?
Very big ones.
Great question.
I know all of them.
Straight off the top.
Number six is going to be an F80.
Okay.
Number five is going to be a 288 GTO, which I know a lot about,
but for me it's just down the list.
Number four is, for me, is going to be an F50,
because I just don't love how it looks.
Surely.
Be real with you.
And I know people are going to get upset by that.
I wish I had, but I don't.
Three, for me, he's going to be...
Impossible.
He's going to be what's left?
That's completely...
An Enzo...
You haven't done F40 and a LaFerrari.
Okay.
I'm going to go for a...
Enzo LaFerrari.
What is it?
Enzo LaFerrari.
F40.
F40.
Super simple.
Just three.
I'm going to go for the...
These are your favorite ones as well.
For me, Enzo.
I knew...
Also, I could have done Ben's forum.
I knew this was coming.
Then it's going to be in number two.
Yeah.
What's it going to be?
The F40 and the one is LaFerrari.
Because now you may be sad by this.
People listening.
But for me, LaFerrari, remember, when that thing came out,
I would have been...
Share four.
Then what year? 2012?
Is that a two?
It wasn't where I was born.
I would have been pretty ten.
Yeah.
So, when I was getting into cars and seeing...
What do you mean, probably?
You know the year you were born.
What year were you born?
I don't know.
LaFerrari came out.
2013?
You were born in 2013?
No.
Blimey.
You're looking mature.
But so, roughly a circa 03, your birth year?
No, 2002 I was born.
Oh, right.
So, Enzo, that's actually quite sad.
Enzo would have been grand spankers.
Yeah.
You would have no...
You were just going,
where?
Well, Enzo was still between 10 years later.
It's so sad.
So, I'd be 10 now.
20 years later, quite so.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I like them.
But for me, LaFerrari is number one.
Because when I was butter boy and I was looking at cars and going,
what the hell is that?
That came out.
And I'm thinking, for me, Holy Trinity,
that's a big thing for me.
Because when I...
I don't know what it's equivalent for you guys.
Something.
The Holy Trinity.
It was probably CGT, Enzo and Zonda.
Yeah, they're fair.
So, for you, when you were a kid,
you were like, what are these mystical machines?
For me, it would be Holy Trinity.
I think we were lucky we had a more than a Trinity.
Yeah, we had SLR, Claren, LP640s in there.
You've got...
So, we had a...
I believe...
A plethora.
I believe the early 2000s was the golden age of supercars.
Fair.
I believe it for a fact.
I know that people will go,
no, the 80s and the 90s, because we had, you know,
kuntashes and diabolos.
But you didn't have this concentration of just three or four years
where everyone went mental and went,
let's make the most mental stuff.
We probably don't have long left.
Put all the cool stuff out.
Bring the whole ocean out.
And just a range as well.
Like, like, murk making stuff, ocean making stuff.
And then Lamborghini coming out on mad stuff.
And then Pagani coming up and going,
you know what, we're pretty big in the game.
Koenigsegg coming out with stuff.
Veyron coming out basically in the early 2000s.
That is 2000 to 2010s, probably...
Oh, four years.
Well, probably 2000 to like the early 2010s,
because when you're thinking of LaFerrari and stuff.
Yeah.
But when the hybrid stuff came in, that felt like a...
That was the end.
That hybrid trinity felt like the...
Picking at the end.
It was a peak in terms of performance and technology,
but it felt like that's the last you're going to see of that.
Yeah.
Because every engine after this is going to get smaller
because of those hybrid bits.
Last time I felt something.
Fair.
What 2010?
Yeah, just generally.
But LaFerrari...
Why can I ask?
Why...
No.
Good.
Well, you can't.
Well, I am asking.
F40 above Enzo is what you put.
Yes.
For me.
Because if I'm being honest with you,
and I'll be honest with you right now.
Okay.
Just be honest with us, though, yeah?
Okay. But honestly speaking...
An honest answer, yeah.
Truthful.
In a totally candid way, I basically am a child of social media.
I grew up with social media.
Not to the degree that children now are now.
I didn't have reals when I was a child, that sort of thing.
But I've grown up...
That's such a Gen Z thing to say.
No, I didn't have reals.
On God, on God, bro.
I didn't have reals.
No, I had social media around.
And as I've become an adult...
I had like Vine.
I don't know if you guys have heard of it.
No, Vine was pretty sick.
Lack of car content, though, to be fair.
Yeah. Vimeo is the one.
Oh, hell yeah.
I... As I've grown up, I've had social media like most of my life.
And as going into adulthood, I've seen a lot of the cars that were cool back then,
that have come back around and become really cool now.
You know, your GT3.
F40 is one of the kings of classic.
But it's all Instagram cars.
So for me, the reason I like an F40,
and to be honest with you, I don't know a lot about them.
I've seen a few in person, luckily.
What can you tell me about a Ferrari F40?
It looks like it's sad, but in a sort of aggressive manner.
Okay.
I meant more like, you know, facts about it, for sure.
Bro gave us the art museum walk around.
You can really see the sadness on his face until the pop-ups come up,
and you can really see the joy in his eyes.
It's a V8, this twin turbo.
It'll want to kill you.
It's pretty manual, as in like...
Yeah, not Spanish, not Spanish fellow.
It is manual, but as in like, it's a pretty raw experience.
But it's a car that I've seen on social media stuff,
so it's one of the farries I know about more.
Would you like to know a fact that maybe you didn't know
that the 288 GTO is essentially the F40?
So the 288 was developed as a V8 twin turbo manual,
and they just essentially evolved it to the F40.
There wasn't that much different.
So why is he on the list?
No, because that's where the beginning was.
It was the first special edition.
The F40 is not like a ground up with creating this thing.
Men, they just basically took the 288,
redid the body, and a load of other bits and bodges.
It's not identical in any way, but...
What I'm trying to say, I think, is that because it's trendy.
Yeah, no fair.
I'll admit that.
F40 is an Instagram retro super car.
Yeah, no, it is.
And for good reason as well.
It's not because it's a bad car or anything.
Not it stands up today,
but there's lots of old cars you see,
and you'd be disappointed by it.
But I don't think anyone would be disappointed
at driving or even being a passenger in an F40.
Or even just seeing an F40 special.
To me, it's just something I've seen a lot.
So that's probably why I put it above an Enzo.
But I like an Enzo.
In my head, I was trying to toss up between those two.
Okay.
And it's funny because also,
F40 is by far the most made of all of them.
So I just look at 100 or something.
So 288, how many 288s?
Nine.
No, a thousand.
Well, I'll say 287.
272.
Some people sometimes say 272.
F40, Ben.
272.
750.
Well, I think it's 1,100 or something.
1,300 and 11.
F50s, Ben.
600.
Well, 400.
349.
And Enzo?
Enzo is going to be...
I think there's more of Enzo.
I think a 750 Enzo's.
Enzo was a weird one, wasn't it?
Where there was a number announced and they didn't,
they went over that.
Was he like 699?
They said 399.
And then they gave the last one to the Vatican.
But there are more.
The Vatican.
Yeah.
The last one was given to the Vatican,
which they raffled off charity.
Oh, I thought I saw him at the Pope.
No, Pope was just ginging it around.
Funny or crazy?
Ricky's driving the Pope's Enzo.
And then LaFerrari, Ben.
LaFerrari, I think I know this.
I don't.
I'd say 500.
I think it's...
No, I know what it is.
Here we go.
It's 899.
No, that's not it.
That's 19.
That's 19.
Me on Supermarket Suite.
No, it's 700.
And there's a Perthas as well.
So, Ben, give me a number.
Stop shouting all of the different numbers up.
Sorry, sorry, it's 700.
I'm going 500, 500.
700 and 100, a Perthas.
You, the word, it came around a few times.
499 in Coupe, 210 a Perthas for a total of 709.
Okay, I didn't know.
No, but you hit 700.
You're like, 700.
I've got mine somewhere.
And then I don't.
F80, we're still yet to see.
LaFerrari are pretty vague with numbers and stuff.
So, they just go,
are we going to make 499 of these?
Or are they four of these?
And then the Enzo, it was like people went,
we have found more Vins than that.
We keep counting them.
There's more and more.
There's more and more.
They just went, this is going really well, this Enzo.
Will, what's your ranking?
My five would be F80s at the bottom by some way at the moment.
The recent Mustache delete one,
the one that's had a little shave.
Still doesn't make it go up anymore.
But, and also on the chart doesn't move it either.
Then I would, I would probably put the 288 for fifth, sorry.
I like the 288.
I think it's amazing.
I think it's incredible to look at.
It looks good.
Obviously, it's sort of 308, 328 Gen wider.
See the gearbox hanging out the back.
It's, you know, it's very impressive car.
But I don't, when I see one,
I don't feel that the fizz that I would feel with the others.
That are coming.
Then I would probably go LaFerrari.
Which is, again.
God, I just hate you.
I know.
I know.
And I love a LaFerrari.
I think a LaFerrari is really cool.
But again, it's, it's incredibly special.
I'm trying.
I always think of like,
how would I feel if I just saw one randomly on the street?
And there is one, we'll get to it.
But when I saw a LaFerrari,
actually on my way to DK,
I saw a LaFerrari on the street.
And again, I was like, oh, wow, I was in LaFerrari.
But then it was like, okay, that was LaFerrari.
And then I was like, okay, I don't feel that much towards it.
And then, where am I?
Did we tell you, by the way,
that when we were on the way back from DK,
we saw the LaFerrari prototype just driving on the road?
Did you?
Just driving through a little village.
Yeah.
Just a 4x8 thing.
No, not that.
It was a different prototype.
The full camoed one.
Oh, cool.
Like matte black type things.
You were like, guys, no, you're demo testing.
Yeah.
It's been like 15 years.
It's been a while.
Sorry to tell you, dude.
Ah, I left on a right.
I'm a bit lost.
I'm trying to get back to Maranello.
Um, what's the where am I?
I've done F80, 288, LaFerrari.
I've got three remaining.
I'll try them into my numbers.
I would probably go F40, third.
It's a tough toss-up.
But in recent years, I've gone,
I would go F40, then F50.
F50 in recent years, I've just been,
because it was like for a long time, no one liked it.
Not no one liked it, obviously.
It was a popular car and they've always been expensive.
But it was the car that followed up the F40.
Yeah.
The F40 was the final car that Enzo signed off.
It was like, it was the Ferrari.
And even F40s went through a phase
when no one really wanted one.
But still, it was a tough act to follow.
And the F50 was like, oh, it looks odd.
It had the 360 looks and whatever else.
But when you look at it now, it's amazing.
And the engine is part of the chassis.
Like it's actually bolted to the,
like the bulkhead basically behind you.
You have an LED dash, like unbelievable steering wheel.
The interior is just really, really simple and cool.
If you haven't looked at the dash on a F50 that have a look,
it is, it's one of the coolest speedometers on any car.
Yeah.
And the engine is, it's one of those engines
where it's like, it's based on an F1 V12.
But it is not, I'm not going to say loosely.
Like I think the block is there,
but they obviously had to make it road worthy.
But a V12 manual Ferrari that looks like that
with that, the wing integrated.
And also has the mesh at the back
where you can just see the exhaust and that through it.
I was like, and then I just think that's so cool.
Number one is Enzo.
F40, F40 third, F50 second, 30th Enzo for me.
Enzo just seeing 11 of the most special things ever.
Like you said with the LaFerrari,
being that car you saw when you were growing up,
the Enzo was that car.
Maybe it's the Ferrari we grew up with.
Interesting.
It is.
Now I'm this, I'm identical to Will.
Yeah, you actually look sort of,
well, you look similar.
The, my list is the same as Will's,
but the LaFerrari is fourth.
And the 288 is third.
Okay.
I've demoted the LaFerrari from bottom to top.
Bottom, F80.
Yeah.
Then comes the LaFerrari.
So you've gone by down one.
I feel nothing towards LaFerrari.
I don't like how they look.
Really?
I don't like, I don't, I don't like them.
Which of your list out of the six?
Because I think this is slightly different
to how you'd rank them, I think.
Which one, if someone said you can take one for a drive.
Enzo.
It would still be Enzo.
Because, simply because, and now, and I, you know what,
I think I'd learn to regret that.
But it isn't in that, I was 19 or 20.
I was in my golf coming back from Brooklyn's,
I've talked about in the podcast before,
Brooklyn's show.
And there was an, it was just an Enzo
that just crested a hill as I was coming towards this hill.
So it was 20, 30 meters away from me.
And I, I felt a like a child and I felt emotional.
Like I was genuine.
It was the first time I'd ever seen one driving.
And all I saw was every Top Gear episode I watched,
every book my dad bought me, everything,
that Enzo on the cover.
And I was like, it's the best car in the world.
Literally the best car in the world driving opposite me.
So I'd have to, because if I, I think I'd have way more fun
in an F40 or 50.
But I'd always be like, I'd never got to drive the Enzo.
Even though F40 was third, it would be a tough,
like toss up between, because just saying,
you've driven an F40, the car that everyone says
is one of the best driving cars.
The last car Enzo signed off and like, just have a go in it.
Because then Enzo, I'm almost happy just to see it.
Yeah, it's true.
Just, just to see it and just to hear someone else drive it.
I'm like, that's pretty cool.
But an F40, I'm like, when I see videos of people driving it,
I'm like, I want to have a go in that.
I really want to drive that.
So yeah, that would be tough.
Laugh.
The question is what car am I crashing?
You know, because it's what.
The question is what color is the LaFerrari I'm driving.
You'd be very upset in an F40, I think.
Yeah, I think that would be, you know,
there's a junction in redding that would hate to see people in a F40.
I would say, do you know what?
To me, it would be a toss up between an Enzo and a LaFerrari.
Okay.
Probably a LaFerrari just because if I told young me about that.
You see.
Is that your rap name?
I said it, I knew that would be a joke.
If I told myself as a child that I got to try one of those,
I pretty, pretty gassed out.
And I'd probably be like, it's probably,
it probably isn't objectively as cool as the other ones,
but fine, whatever.
All right, nice.
Next week, we'll be raking our favorite sangyongs.
Raking the best lupos available.
Not the ones ever sold, just the best ones available.
Yeah, on all of us.
Next up, do you know what?
On the right subject, to be fair,
we were talking about that the you the cremers,
we the cremers, you the cremers really, spread the gospel.
Yes, shout out.
Out there in the world doing creams work.
Lovely.
Out there in the comments section, defending,
just saying the name, spreading the words, attacking.
Doing all sorts of things in the comments.
And I saw it again at DK.
I was a little bit like,
what are they going to think of this?
It's a little bit strange.
DK engineering posted about the glado.
They basically said that they did a post saying
that the car was sold through them, mild one.
And the comments, just fantastic.
Also, one of the most liked posts they've had recently,
and they do quite well normally.
For the record as well, there was no mention.
Was a plate shown?
There was no front plate on it.
I did share it to be fair.
So that was that was a bit of a giveaway.
But it literally said, go my minions.
The post is of just Will's glado, no front plate.
So it's not immediately recognizable as his car.
It just says recently sold a rare right-hand drive.
Yeah, at the top.
Currently, so we've got 6,600 likes.
We've got this is XTDC car right.
Someone with 140 likes here just says, my name is William.
815 likes.
The cream is no dot dot dot.
Good stuff.
So sad.
We'll solve this, blah, blah, blah.
And then just a load of other comments
that I just related to TDC and whatever else.
Some not related, but the most liked comment.
The two top liked comments basically
are creamer related comments.
So absolutely top work.
And no one being too intrusive.
Now, that's it.
That is the important fact.
This is, you know what?
You get it, you get it right more than I think
I've ever seen any other community get it.
You're not overbearing.
You get the fine line because you don't want to go there
and go, hey, creamers.
We don't have that one person who ruins it for the rest of us.
No.
Because everyone's on a level.
We keep each other in check and go, hey, cut that out.
I do think that we have one of the best audiences.
I'm not just saying that because it's our audience.
Genuinely, I see a lot of communities on YouTube
and across the internet who are,
who despite the content being good,
the audience becomes quite sufferable.
Whereas our guys.
And girls.
Shout out to them.
Might have been like a generic thing.
But the whole gang is just great across the board.
So keep doing your thing.
Lovely.
Also, I've been surprised at the range of creamers
in terms of what you do as a job, what you have as cars,
what you're doing.
We've been approached.
Been approached?
We've been approached by people with a range of different cars.
I've really been surprised because we have people who've got,
just got their first car doing their first mods.
And then I'm now in a must-see longer WhatsApp group
which fills totally our place.
I've said one thing and then not said anything else.
You're two years of YouTube.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I got Mercedes-Benz owner and then Barbados over on my right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That sounds good.
You're going on holiday too.
But I put, I entered, I was, I was entered into this group
and then I posted a picture of the car and said,
can't wait to get the car.
You know, eventually in some weeks time.
And then just a couple of people were like,
yeah, no, good luck mate.
Yeah.
Say hello to Edwin for me.
I was like, I thought I'd go into this chat
and everyone go, who the bloody hell's this dude?
And you said, well, where have you been then?
For these years.
I was driving one of these cars for, for ever.
But I just thought it was mad.
There's people with event stores and martial arts guys
that know about the podcast and about the channel.
So yeah, the cream spreads far and wide.
It does cream the crop.
All of you guys.
If anyone with event store wants to come to Chelsea Walsh
and drive up the hill.
Well, we'll just come to Dunsfold because we'll be there.
Yeah.
We're going to be there.
They're better not, they're better not be in Dunsfold.
I'll be upset.
No, no, well, you'll be there.
So it'll be fine.
Then we are, we're trying our best to get one there for you.
I know you are.
Yeah.
Because you can edit that one as well.
Yeah.
Lovely.
I'm editing that one as well.
Oh, that'll be really nice.
I scheduled myself to do that one.
You in a dark room with a tear roll.
Watching someone else drive it.
More Lamborghini related to J.P.R.I.
and that I saw recently.
There was a Glado manual coming up for sale.
I think by the time this podcast is out, it may have been
because I think to us it's in a couple of weeks,
but it's an original press car manual Glado.
So the same shape as mine, same color I think as well,
basically the same interior, but left-hand drive,
ex-Lamborghini press car, one that Clarkson drove.
And I think it baffled me somewhat is that it said in there
that Clarkson gave it a glowing review.
Yeah.
It has like a text on there that says,
Clarkson said, this is amazing.
It blows the 360 and the 911 out of the water.
It's amazing.
The handling is incredible.
Now, maybe, I don't know,
maybe that's from written, like it's a written thing
when the Glado came out.
But if you watch the review on Top Gear of the Glado,
it just says, it doesn't say it's bad.
He says the car is very, very good,
but it's not very Lamborghini.
It's a bit boring.
So I don't know.
Maybe they've just taken the best bits of it for the auction.
But I thought it was quite cool.
And I did, because it's like a 40,000 kilometer car, I think.
And it says the estimate is 170 to 220,000 euros.
Now, I don't know if they just...
I know.
Just say what I'm going to say.
Don't say it, obviously, anything.
But, you know, you got offered a nice money for your car,
but it wasn't 200 grand.
It wasn't that much.
Yeah, that's fucking...
Well, no.
I was going to say, at the lower end, it might be close,
it's closer to, but at the higher end,
and that car's got three times the miles, mine has.
Now, here's a question.
In the long run, everyone jumps on the Glado
over the Mercilago.
Hey, it's fine.
I'm totally cool with that,
unless the Mercilago prices go down.
No, no, you'll just kind of stay.
But Glado prices go mental.
Look, it would be annoying to see,
but I would always know that if I didn't do it,
I wouldn't have that car.
That's right.
At the same time, if Mercilago's prices stay the same,
and I could sell my Glado for more,
then it would make it possibly easier.
But also, they don't come up very often.
Yeah, but you'd still have your car.
That's how you know.
That's how you know.
No, ragerettes.
That's how you know that buying the Mercilago was the right thing.
But if I start seeing them going for like,
quarter of a million pounds,
it's going to feel like that car that's...
Because at the moment, I'm like, I got...
That was a great one.
What a great move that was getting in at that time,
and the profit I sold it for,
and then they start seeing it go for ridiculous money.
But then also...
But it's impossible to ever know that stuff.
But it proves, again, your passion for it,
because it is...
I know, obviously, there is a realistic financial side of it.
There is money to be made,
and money to potentially lose over it.
However, you're not doing it because of that, right?
No.
I thought, I don't want to speak for you,
but surely your attitude to it is like,
if I make some money, great.
But for you, it's owning the car.
You're not a collector who's putting it away.
The Mercilago, if I ever see it, if it exists.
The guy selling that bought it as an investment,
which I find...
It's also...
That car's quite used.
That car was perfect for someone to get,
fix a couple of bits on,
and just pile miles on and actually use it.
So, previously, Cat D,
the body works a little bit ratty,
the history's not great.
But someone bought it five years ago, stuck it away.
You never drove it, right?
It's done about 30 miles in that time.
That I can't get my head around.
Yes, he has made a good amount of money on that car, 100%.
He's made a good amount of money,
but it's also cost some money as well.
And I just can't...
And even when I was selling the Glado,
so I had a couple of people that wanted to buy the Glado,
and I had one guy who was really, really interested,
and they were basically...
A lot of it's via middlemen,
when you're doing this kind of stuff.
But they were asking for the original exhaust,
like, is it going to do that?
They're basically someone who just wanted to put it away,
and I really didn't want to sell it to someone like that,
which is why, when sort of DK said,
it's going to be...
Obviously turned out to be JK.
But DK said, the person who wants to buy this one
really wants to use this car,
it is going to be out and about,
it's going to be loved and enjoyed.
I thought that is...
I would hate to see that car go away
and sit in a collection somewhere.
Yeah, they might make a hundred grand on it in a few years,
but I want to see that car out.
Yeah.
Well, when we do the podcast of JK,
you can ask him what those stations are about.
Absolutely, absolutely.
The invite is certainly open.
We are endeavoring,
and we have avenues open for it.
We don't know how definite it is,
but we want to make it happen.
It will be good.
Cream's biggest challenge yet.
It is.
It is.
He will be...
Other than paying you, Ben.
Yeah.
I mean, the lights are still on,
but they do flicker sometimes.
That makes sense.
Edwin, you put in here,
more services, toilet-based J-PRE.
Well, well, well, we're back.
We are so back.
There has been a saga.
Every time I go into a toilet at a service station,
I seem to encounter a funny story.
And yesterday was no different.
On the way back from MRC with this car,
I just pop into the toilet quickly.
This is Oxford Services, a classic.
Great service.
Known to many.
But I just went to the fuel station part.
I went into the toilet.
You walk in through the door.
Now, as you walk in,
let's call North straight ahead of you.
Is you've got a...
12 o'clock.
12 o'clock cubicles.
Okay.
Army instructors.
Knife the watermelon.
So, on the North Wall,
we have cubicles.
And to the left of the North Wall,
still on the North Wall, sorry, the sink.
Right.
The East Wall, nothing.
The West Wall, we have the urinals.
And the South is just where you walk in.
It's fine.
We're all catching on here.
Now, I've gone to the toilet.
The urinals are full.
So, I've used a cubicle.
I come out and I'm using the sink.
I laver my hands up.
I wash my hands.
Then what's the next step of this story?
Dry those things off.
Got to dry your hands.
So, I go, where's the dryer?
Where's the striagon?
And so, I look to the east.
There's no dryer there.
I look to the west.
And what I see is this, which is the hand dryer mounted
incredibly close to the urinal.
Now, keep in mind, it was a full urinal.
There is a man who is perhaps even overlapping
into off the edge of the urinal.
So, for me to go and use these hand dryers,
I'm more than shoulder to shoulder with this man.
And so, I finish washing my hands.
You're like six foot five.
That would be uncomfortable.
So, he's like, he's looking, isn't he?
He's having a look.
So, that's why I wash my hands.
I'm now standing there with my hands.
I look to my right.
Can't see anything.
Look to my left.
I see this scene and I laugh again.
Once again, I laugh.
Now, the man standing at the urinal,
he doesn't turn fully around,
but he looks to the right.
So, he can now see in the reflection.
And what he sees in the reflection
is a man standing vaguely towards him
with dripping wet hands, laughing at him.
And to his credit, I didn't even get time to do it,
to say, I'll just wait or anything.
He just went and just stared straight back at him.
You got lock in.
And so, I just had to wait.
I had to wait for him to finish up.
Are you going to just step alongside him and...
No, I thought I will start blowing his piss across him.
That's not the thing.
So, the reason I started laughing
is because those are the sideways blowing jets,
which means...
If you're ripping a fat piss,
that thing is going everywhere.
That is sending it straight into the man on his left.
So, you could just draw your hands at the same time.
Or just into your trousers.
And that is why I started laughing,
because the image immediately of a man being interrupted
and just it being blown everywhere.
So, I then again, what did I have to do?
I had to wait till I were on left
so I could walk back and then take this photo.
They actually created a piss in the wind simulator.
That's what I thought.
So, M40 services.
Come on, man.
Fix it.
It kind of looks like it could have gone
a little bit more right as well.
Yeah.
That's a sink, I'm assuming, there right there.
You can see on the sink, come on.
See the edge of the sink.
So, that it could have gone just a little bit more right.
That was the sink.
The better, surely,
because you then haven't got a walker out dripping hands.
Yeah, no, that makes sense.
I want to know, are they doing it as a joke,
or are they doing it?
Surely, it is like...
They're doing it as Targas.
Yeah.
So, shout out to the man
who was just starting to go about his business.
Sorry for laughing at you and standing vaguely close.
I'm throwing piss in your trousers.
And from that to some news,
which by this point won't be news,
maybe people know about this in more depth anyway.
Lotus put a post out on Instagram saying,
there's a little teaser sort of a black thing
that would, there was a car in there.
The rear one.
Or whatever else.
It was the rear of a car.
So, the description said,
Lotus type 135.
And at first I was like,
it's going to be electric.
And then I saw exhaust pipes.
Yes.
So, there are tailpipes there.
And then it says hybrid V8, V8 supercar.
That's all it said.
Very cool.
Type 135 hybrid V8 supercar.
Now, Ben's looking puzzled at the screen.
Because, and you're liking how it's looking.
I'm enjoying it.
I don't like the crushed carbon.
So, what we're looking at is...
So, crushed carbon.
It's called the type 135 is what they're calling around.
So, you can look this up, this photo up yourself,
or it's on the screen.
It should be on the screen overlaid as well.
It looks very futuristic.
But Ben, I'm going to tell you the reason why you like that.
Because those are evented or tailpipes.
Yeah.
That's why you like that.
I mean, like an ultimate.
You mount it in the middle.
Or something.
Almost it.
It just looks, mm.
It does look quite angry.
I like that.
Yeah.
Can I see the front?
So, there is no front revealed.
This is an auto car rendering of it.
Is it?
I think that's quite cool.
It is.
There's still good comparisons to modern supercar.
I don't like that rear.
That rear window.
I wear this rear window.
Ignore all of that.
This is all a render.
This is all like a made up.
Well, let's focus back in on the rear end of that then.
Okay.
Sure.
That's great.
The forged carbon doesn't feel very lotus to me.
If we could not.
But hopefully that's an option to not have.
To not have.
Or you could just not have it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I understand that it's not end of the world.
But so, what else we got?
What's about?
What do we, are there any other details?
There is nothing about it.
Because apparently it sort of came out of nowhere.
Okay.
I was reading through the comments.
You know, there's people who normally know things about stuff.
Like people and what such.
Yeah.
And they were like, what the bloody, where has that come from?
Like there has been no rumour.
There has been no spy shot.
They just, Lotus went, oh yeah.
Oh, not just on a Tuesday.
He went, oh, we're making a super car by the way.
It's out.
Oh, and he'll have a V8 as well.
Also, Lotus right now, I believe hemorrhaging money.
I think they're not doing well.
It's the emirah.
Emirah.
Emirah.
Yeah.
Emirah.
Because that's kind of coming to an end.
I swear we talked about that before.
The Avaya Wedda.
Have we seen that?
Yeah, I feel like it's just kind of here.
That's an electric car.
So it just felt like, Lotus are kind of neither here nor there.
Of course, they're owned by a big, big Chinese company now, right?
So they're kind of not.
I would love to see them come out with another.
I know maybe the emirah was meant to be that,
but an Elise or an Exige follow up where it's a bit more back to basics.
It's got a cool Revi engine in it.
It's lightweight.
It's about handling.
So I've just gone on news for Lotus and the most recent headline I can find is
Lotus offers lifeline to trouble UK car plant.
The move comes after a year after the latest reverse plans that it would have
ended manufacturing at Hethel.
So potentially they're doing okay if they're trying to bring it back.
But I'm about it.
It's an interesting car.
It's not electric.
Yeah, it's hybrid.
I mean, it's just a little bit annoying.
It feels anti-Lotus to have a hybrid.
But the V8 thing interests me because there was a rumor about them doing a V8 for the emirah.
Yeah.
There was a little rumor, I think it was a year or two ago where they were thinking about
either making their own or finding a V8 that would go in the emirah,
which I thought would have been so cool in that chassis.
Wasn't it rumoured to be the Merck 4.0L?
Possibly, because I guess they use the 4.7L, don't they?
So this is in that same article.
The chief executive said that keeping the plant would be the best option to produce
the Type 135, a V8 hybrid supercar due in 2028.
So it's British made?
It says the final supply chain availability, operation efficiency and cost discipline.
So that's whether they want to manufacture them, I think, in China with Geely or in the UK.
So that would be sad to lose Hethel because that has the basis of Lotus.
That is Lotus.
It cut 550 UK jobs last year, which is 40% of the local workforce.
Tough.
Let's make a supercar, guys.
Do I?
You're just raising up your camera there.
No, I'm looking at it because...
So, Deck, can you just cut the vendor raising up his camera there?
It was actually wild.
I looked over and there was just...
I was reading what the camera said in there.
It feels like buying an English car manufacturer is just deliberately playing the game on hard.
Everyone that's done it before goes, there's no point in doing this.
Well, I've tried it.
I've put a load of money in it.
It just loses you money.
Experience companies have done it as well.
And the next company goes in and goes, yeah, be fine.
I'll have a go.
And the same thing happens.
It's not, it is.
It's the going to a cash machine or a ticket machine.
And someone signs around and says, that's not working.
And you go, well, I'm going to have a go.
I'm going to check myself.
I don't trust you.
I think you're an idiot, if I'm honest.
I am not.
And you try it and go, hey, no, once in a blue moon.
It works.
Yeah.
Once in a blue moon.
But for the most part, they were probably right.
Just have to let them die, unfortunately.
Do you know what, though?
Fair play.
I love that it's even like Spiker where they're just like,
no, I'm bringing this back.
Yeah.
I don't care.
Yeah.
If Spiker, though, if you do it as an electric car,
and it's at the quail as well.
So we will be there.
Of course we're going to make it.
We'll see.
We'll have tickets, right, Ben?
You've sorted us tickets for that.
I applied and I never heard back.
I've also applied.
Have you heard back?
I haven't heard.
There you go.
Don't worry.
I'll do that.
I'll apply tonight.
We'll get in.
Yeah.
It's like buying a British car brand.
You know, you have to give it a go.
Just keep going.
Someone's going to get there.
Next up, Ben.
This is Ben News.
News from Ben and it says here,
this professionally titled piece of news,
says ugly ass Jag nearly here.
Yeah.
What's that then?
So the Jag, your concept thing.
Type 01.
Yep.
It's now called type 01.
Oh, sorry.
Was that the news?
That was the news.
I've ruined the news.
Basically, I don't know what it was called before.
Jaguar.
It's now going to be called the type 01.
Would you like to know why it is called the type 01?
I know.
Okay.
Well, why do you like to know why it's called type 01?
Is it because they've reset the counter
and this is the first Jaguar?
Oh, it means it's a zero emissions vehicle.
Got it.
And one, it's the first one.
Do you know what it is?
From playing this game of trying to work out meaning,
we always do far too well.
Think of what you think it could mean and go,
that's you giving them way too much credit.
That's so much more simple.
Children, mate.
It's because a zero is how many emissions it is.
And because cool, it's the first one.
First one of what?
First one of the new electric zero emissions car.
So I was half way there.
Now, what's the first engine one going to be called?
The E1.
It's going to be called the V1.
It's going to be called the 7-1 for your 7 compliant.
The 7-1.
Should we go type 01, then 2, 3.
I hate that.
I already hate that.
It went, what number should we start with?
Let's start with 1.
Also, I think I could accept it if it was just type 1.
Don't make me say type 01 now.
That makes it long to now say all of this.
I hate it when, like BMW, I like the fact that it's like,
the one series is a small one.
The two series is...
The small one.
Small one, yeah.
The three series is a bit bigger.
And then the five series is a bit bigger again.
I like that it goes up.
But when you have like Polestar, didn't it?
They went, this is the Polestar one.
And this one is a big sort of like a coupé.
Now, the Polestar 2 is a smaller crossover.
Polestar 3, big SUV.
Polestar 4, bigger SUV, but sort of the same size.
And then they'll go Polestar 5.
You know, that's just a small saloon.
5 is actually the one again, but we just reface-lifted it.
You don't know what you're doing.
So you just...
As you go along, you make it up, it doesn't make sense.
So just call it like the Polestar Dave, or just give it a name.
Or the Vauxhall Adam.
Good names are dead.
Okay.
Okay.
All of them.
William.
Yes.
No, that's a good name.
That's a fantastic name.
I'd like you right now, what's the next, what should they call it?
The Jaguar Fang.
I like it.
Ben.
It's a bit whack.
The Jaguar...
No, it's going to be the Silent Raw.
That's a Chinese car.
No, that is a Chinese car.
That's Leap Motors new car.
The Silent Raw is a Chinese car.
Denzel right now.
Right in that down few.
It's your Craig right now.
Denzel, I've got something for you.
Silent Raw.
Fantastic Benjamin.
You're on the team.
But I can't remember the last name I heard and thought, yeah.
Yeah, that's a name.
I'm going to hear that.
And it's a new name.
Aston Martin.
Only people doing it.
That's fair.
Aston Valhalla and all the Vs.
Okay.
But they're going to run out.
You know what?
It's actually, they've kind of gone on easy mode.
They've just gone right.
Sort by V.
Choose the cool ones.
Yeah.
And it doesn't matter.
Sort of gods and what such.
The Aston Martin Varnish.
That's my next one.
The Vintage.
No, you can't call it that.
The V...
No, you can't call it that.
You can't call it the machine.
You cannot call it that.
Edwin, this is actually from you,
but I've written in here.
Very confusing.
It says F30 Alpha Julia.
I want...
Do you remember when we had Richard Porter on the podcast
and he tasked us with finding the Jaku?
He said, this thing is tormenting me.
I am being tormented by an aftermarket bumper on a three series.
Yeah.
BMW F30, which is the G80's normal cousin, right?
What's that?
That would be a G30, I believe.
Well, it's either...
That's the new generation.
That's the newest, right?
That's big, big buck teeth M304.
Yeah.
So it's either a G80 or it's an F30.
I don't know which one...
I don't know which one's doing it,
but there are aftermarket bumpers for...
You see them on 340i's a lot.
Where they've got...
I think sometimes they've got quad tips,
sometimes they've only got jewels.
But what it appears to be
is an Alfa Romeo Julia QV lower half of a bumper
grafted into an M3.
Into a 3 series.
And what do you want to know?
I want to know, am I seeing things?
You're seeing that car, yeah.
Have people actually seen this?
Because I've seen it now five or six times
and I've never been able to take a photo of it.
I've never seen that.
I know, I know,
because I'm fairly sure I told my girlfriend
to take a photo of it
and I saw one the other day.
This was months ago.
I saw another one in passing
and told her to start scrolling through her phone
and to find it so I could talk about in the podcast.
And she was like,
no, it's gone, I can't remember.
I can't find that.
Either I'm going mental or it's out there
and I want to know...
Just a rare button, anything front?
Just a rare.
Okay.
But it is, when I say it's an Alfa Julia,
it is the original Alfa Julia design.
So the problem is...
If it's custom.
But it's not custom.
This is the thing, different cars.
And they look...
Oh, you've seen it multiple times.
Multiple times.
And on badly enough modified cars
that I know it's not custom.
That's my next question.
Is it ugly?
Yeah, no, it looks terrible.
And if you were to...
And have you googled this?
I googled it and it doesn't say nothing.
I can't find it.
So that's frustrating.
I did it just before this podcast.
I haven't done a proper one.
But I want the creamers to help me out
and this because I know I'm not seeing things.
Do you have a photo?
Are you...
To make it out of this podcast?
What do you mean?
Do you have a photo of it?
I vividly just told you a story,
perhaps a minute ago,
about the fact that I thought I had a photo,
but didn't have it.
I then asked Edwin...
I then said to Edwin,
is it possible to google it?
Have you tried googling it?
And he said, yes, I tried that.
I just tried that before this podcast
and I didn't find anything.
And then you went and then you said,
have you got a photo?
You got a photo of that.
And this is a podcast.
And this is a podcast.
And we're doing that today.
And you're the one.
You're present here with us.
And your brain,
that's in control of what you're up to.
I'm not sure that's true.
Now, I was listening as well,
which makes that even worse.
Okay, no, nice.
So if the creamers can let me know
any details about this,
and I will be going through my phone
to see if I can find this image,
I know I have it.
And I'm fairly sure it had an F1 rain light too,
you whopper.
Okay, interesting.
If it's one of you as well, own up.
I probably will be one of you.
It seems to be just a mod that people do,
but it's Julia based.
Okay.
It's Julia based, Jay Parish.
It has to be.
Okay.
A couple of before we get to a forum
to finish things off for this podcast,
a couple of bullshit things.
It appears Edwin,
sorry, Ben has put in here for Edwin
to ask Ben a question.
Yes.
Yeah.
Edwin said to me before the podcast,
he said, I'm going to start a new section
where I just ask you questions.
I said, what about?
Is it about lasagna?
Is it about what you do on the weekend?
He wouldn't elaborate.
Same thing.
I said, no, no.
We spend a lot of time asking Ben,
I wasn't going to say, what's the word?
Philosophical questions.
They're just questions that I'm interested to see
Ben's take of.
Philosophical hypotheticals.
This one is not,
this is actually kind of a good question.
This is a type of thing an interviewer would ask.
I'll be the judge of that.
That's a great question.
Thank you for seeing yourself.
Ben and Will, if you could go back to any decade
and give one car brand a single sentence
of information about the future,
what would you say?
Ben's on his phone.
Ben is on his phone and doesn't care about his podcast.
Good question, Edwin.
He's looking at his invoice that he needs to send us right now.
Yeah.
Sorry, I should put some more zeros on the end of it.
Good question, Edwin.
What I will say is I would like to go back
and say to Porsche,
make the 992 look good.
Okay.
Now, I'll be honest.
I'm Porsche's design department.
You've now disappeared.
You're there for just a moment.
You say one sentence and then you're gone.
That's it.
I would go, what does good mean?
Because I go, I think it's pretty good.
Yeah, it's better.
I would look at the drawing that I made and gone.
Well, you didn't even look at that.
He just kind of walks in the room said,
make it good and then left.
Make it better.
They went, I've heard it looks the same as the last one, no?
You wouldn't give them...
You've only got one sentence, so you could give them a...
How many commas in my sentence?
Because I can just carry on for a long time.
Give you a couple of commas.
I'm going to say, make it look more different.
Okay.
Right.
And but also with a bit more of a unique design.
You are the world's shittiest with time travel.
Well, also what you are is potentially a seven-year-old,
you know, designing things.
No, just make it more cool, actually.
Yeah, you know, like cool cars make it look like them ones.
I don't know how.
Literally their job to work that out.
Okay, fair.
But that's your only piece of advice.
Well, I would say to them, like, use your,
use your critical thinking skills here.
Make it better.
Also the team of developers.
I think we are.
We did.
Will?
I would go, I'm going to go with Ford.
And I'm going to go to them, Serka, 2014, maybe 13.
Let's go with 14.
Premark 3 Focus RS.
And this will be at gunpoint, by the way.
Okay, you've brought a gun.
Yeah, so.
Time travel machine said, you know,
the time travel does not have a security system.
Cool, fine.
So you can take a gun.
Any, just a Glock.
So, no, this isn't an R-15.
Okay, so you've gone, wow, you really mean it.
Yeah, and I look, I've dressed like Rambo as well.
So they didn't know what's up.
So they immediately go, well, that's Rambo.
And I'm in Ford's room.
Sure, just the one they've got.
That room where they say, where they choose cars.
And I've said, if you don't keep the T5 for the next Focus RS,
I'm going to machine gun the whole room.
I'm not saying to people, I might just mess up the room.
There might just be warning shots.
But this is an important room, and I'm going to make it a very leaky room.
And then as I leave, I'm going to walk away.
They're going to be gobsmacked.
I'm going to turn around and say, and make it a three door, will you?
Little mic drop before you leave.
And one more thing.
And then we're like, and they're going, okay.
Yeah, and then you make even worse by saying that.
Or I'd go, nah, I was going to go to Lamborghini and say,
just don't keep the Bizzarelli please.
Yeah, fair.
But I think there would have been Italians probably doing that anyway.
So I think I would have been just shouting into a void.
Where is the machine gun on the Ford?
I think they think I've got a chance.
You're speaking their language.
Where would you, where would you be?
Where would you go?
Who would you speak to?
I'd go circa 1993 Land Rover.
I go and I go, I'm from the future.
Basically resources are scarce now.
And the most valuable commodity on earth is a Beluga Black Range Rover.
Like 93, 94 months.
Just before Softash.
Softashes are also kind of cool, but you don't worry about those.
So you need to up the production on them because without it, we're done.
Like, well, we're done.
So I need you to get production, just pumping out those Black Range Rovers.
I promise you this will make sense in 30, 40 years.
And then 30, 40 years rolls past, they go, what was he talking about?
I'm at home, Range Rover Black on the driveway.
Land Rover died 20 years ago now.
Don't care. Got my car happy.
Would you not ask them to do a bit of rust proofing too?
No, that's a, you know, one issue at a time.
You mean you could just put a little comment on that sentence and
you could ask them to do all the things you want to do.
Because then they wouldn't believe me.
They'd go, this guy's pushing his luck.
Right. Okay.
We'll up the production, but it's one or the other.
Either we make them good or we make a lot of them.
I don't like my answer now.
I think that's it, Ben.
No, my answer was...
Ben, next week I'm going to come back with another one.
Okay.
If you could change it to one other, like one other.
But like make it, make it fun.
When you pitched it, I'd...
Deck cut his mic.
Um, right, so let's...
One other, one other.
One other.
Yeah, just, just a quick, you've got 10 seconds.
I go back and I would say to, do you know what I say?
I would say to Lamborghini, keep one manual car.
Have the small car manual.
So I say, hurricane, make it manual.
I don't want events that I believe should be automatic.
That was a fantastic idea.
I just say, just always keep one, the small guy, make it manual.
And then you've come back.
How would you convince them?
You could...
I wouldn't, I just tell them to do it.
But then you come back to 2026 and you're like,
right, let's see the manual hurricane.
And they go, no manual Eurus, no Huracan's auto,
but we made you a manual Eurus.
I specified the small car.
Hey, man.
Well, I would make them do it by what I would do is...
They made a TT that was Lamborghini badge.
Like the Sigma.
Yeah, it's just a two-litre diesel.
Is, I would threaten them.
Okay, at least out of my book with a good time.
I'd threaten them with a good time.
Yeah.
To keep them sort of like, get them comfortable.
And then just as they think it's about to happen,
I'd say no, and I threatened them a bad time.
So a good cop back off.
Yeah, yeah, but I can be just one guy.
And then what is a bad time?
I don't know what we're going with this.
Really fighting for my life with that one.
My brain has nothing.
No, I like that one.
No, good.
We will be back next week with a equally
very philosophical and not bullshit question.
So we have a couple of things left to go,
ending on a forum.
But before that, Ben, you have a chance to ask a question
about the video idea.
It's been a few weeks.
Um, I will give a very brief overview of what this means.
A while ago, Edwin said to me, I think, um, I have a video idea and keeping it brief.
I won't tell you what it is.
And then we'll say I have a video to make it more concise.
Do it in 50 words.
You do that.
There is a video.
If you also, if you're so brief, I will.
There was a video idea that Edwin and I both have.
We haven't confirmed to either of us what it is, but we basically know it's the same
because we've had a third party verify it.
Benjamin has no idea what that video idea is.
And for the last month or so, maybe six weeks,
he has been trying to guess it.
You haven't got there yet.
You have, you've teetered.
You've been, you've been close.
You've gone further from the sun.
This, um, that was it.
Ben, Ben trying to, this was the same as the preamble where we,
Will was trying to explain the ratatouille plot.
And then, and then Ben went, no, actually, it's like this.
I've explained the exact thing that we'll have just said, but longer.
I thought Kevin McClelland was the guy from Home Alone.
No, that's Kevin McCallister.
Is the rat from ratatouille.
His name is called Remy.
Remy.
That's it.
Great name.
Remy Chees.
Remy Chees or something like that.
His last name is Chees.
He's just had a last name.
He's a rat.
So Benjamin, you have one more life this week to get a guess going.
What is the video I did?
And if it's right, we will confirm.
Yes.
But it has to be bang on.
The other thing that Mr. Concise over here missed
was the fact that it somehow involves me.
I don't know what that means.
Of course.
That's all you care about.
Well, that was what made it weird that you wouldn't tell me.
Um, okay, I'm going to, I've got my list here.
Let me just work out which one I want to ask you this week.
Um, you are going to surprise them with a car,
but I have to do the mods to it.
Wrong.
Oh, I like the, it's,
it's not correct, but I do quite like that.
It's quite funny.
Basically you're indirectly killing someone.
Yeah, no, yeah.
Now, would it be that you have to, we choose the mods,
but you have to install them?
Or you choose the mods and we have to install them.
I already asked you about that one.
Oh, you did?
I said, I said that I choose, I think I said,
I said that you're going to do a project,
a project I'll build and I choose what mods.
So in this one, you'll choose the mods,
you organize them, but I've got to do all the work.
And this is, this is just our way of getting good video ideas.
It's a really good idea.
I like this.
Maybe there isn't a video.
Yeah, there was never a video.
This is just a way to get your brain going.
You, you know that I work here, right?
What?
I just have this conversation with everyone.
No, no, but sometimes you need to,
you need to think a little bit left field.
You've got to have, you know,
have the pressure.
Some people need an arm around the shoulder
to make sure they're okay, but you,
they need to couple arms.
You need to stir it up.
You need a couple of hands and feet in there as well.
He needs two arms around the cheeks to get them going.
Absolutely.
That's wrong.
It's wrong.
Have I got clothes at all?
You're, you're straying further every week.
Why am I straying further?
Hey, that's for you to think about.
I know.
That's a good enough of a tip as we could give you.
Yeah.
You should take that information,
go back to where you've been,
write something suspenseful,
and then come back next week.
So what I've learned so far is that,
what I've learned so far is that
I am not doing any work on a car.
Because I know I've asked you multiple times.
Correct.
You are going to have a,
thank God.
Which all then cares about.
You're going to have a breaking bad,
Hank realization when you find out.
You're just going to be here.
On the shitter.
And go in Oxford services.
So I'll find a book with it right then.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, probably.
Well, you never know.
Right, what we got?
Should we end on a little forum?
Let's end on a forum.
If you want.
A forum.
This is from the mothership V1.
Wow, Ben's not even reading it.
No.
He doesn't have to do his own work.
He doesn't know what it was.
Outsource, they even know we had one.
Bring on one Fiverr.
This says forum from mothership V1.
Two months ago he sent this in.
What are the most, if you know, you know cars.
This could be from makes and or models,
including variations.
He's listed some, but I'm not going to say what they are.
So we don't get any influences going,
especially for you over there, little Benjamin.
And then he's put a sentence in.
Do I want to read this?
No, I don't read that.
Okay.
It's about cream.
And it's about being stuffed.
So I'm going to leave it there.
No, we don't like that.
If you know, you know cars.
So cars that you look at and you go,
that guy, that girl, that cream and those.
Sir, sir, sir.
I've got it.
I've got it.
That, it could just be about, if you know, if you like.
Oh, cool.
There you go.
Oh, well, you said creamer.
And I was like, yo, that could be different again.
But what I will say is that Skoda Octavia sleeper thing
that they released.
The one with Ricky built.
No, it's a production thing, right?
No.
No, that was a green car.
Is it one off?
It was one off built by Ricky, but for Skoda.
From Ari Performance.
I thought that was a car they built.
No.
Oh, sorry, Ricky from Ari Performance.
But no, yeah, it was for Skoda,
but it's like a press thing.
It's a one off.
I thought they built it.
I thought it was like a 400 horsepower.
Ben was like, I've got this nailed.
That's like the coolest thing.
I have got this.
They're never gonna know this one.
Actually, have you heard of the Skoda Octavia?
So, okay.
Well, we'll come back to you, but that would be good.
Number one, it's the clear trophy.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
In terms of like car people, because a normal person goes
run a clear, it's getting less though, I'd say.
It is because of the collective vibe.
Exactly.
You're now in.
Is this...
Now, when you say, if you know, you know,
it's that normal people would have no idea.
Sort of.
Because I could start a list.
I can get a list going of things that most...
I exam Megatrack.
No idea.
Keep going.
A Qval Mangusta.
Keep going.
A De Tomaso Mangusta.
Much like my car throttle interview right now.
This is where you gave me random cars.
A De Tomaso Longchomp.
They're called Fordal.
It's called a Longchomp.
Yeah.
I guess it's more of a like, it's kind of a normal car.
So, like, if someone saw one of those cars,
they would ignore the person, they would recognize it.
Okay.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like, they would go, what is that?
Whereas, well, there are those cars out there.
And again, this might not be the definition of it.
This is my definition of it on my head.
It's the car that it kind of looks normal.
But if you know, almost Lotus Carlton.
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Almost like someone who's got one of the examples they did put in there,
as a thing, was like an Omega with a V6.
I think that's a little bit weak on that one.
Okay.
But it's like...
Okay.
It's a normal car, but it has this.
Well, a Mondeo V6.
Mondeo V6 is in there.
Anything Turing Kari that had a, you know,
a decent engine from back in the day?
I'm going to say anything with B58.
Anything 340i, anything 540i, you wouldn't know.
An S60 or XC90 V8.
Oh, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's nice.
That's nice.
Excited about that.
That's a nice one.
I want a one.
Here you go.
A Lupo 3L.
Fair.
Because you wouldn't know.
It is fair, it is fair.
That's very good.
I guess some of those are going to be those,
those really annoying cars that he will talk about,
where it isn't the top model.
It's the one under.
It's like a Mark I Clio, like a 16 valve,
where it's not the Williams.
Yeah.
It's like all like a 206 rally or a 205 rally,
where it's like, ah, it's not the GTI.
It's the, these, if you know your no cars,
it's the Instagram people cars.
I'd say it's the...
You didn't want the Williams, did you?
No.
You wanted the rally.
In 1993, if you were the top dog in the town,
you'd go for the Williams.
But what if you were just below that?
You'd be going for the Valver R.
It's like 330CI Club Sport.
Now the emerging director, have one of these.
But if you were just middle management,
you've got the thinking man, so on.
The, what was it?
What was the Astra that we saw the other day?
The triple 5?
Triple 5?
Or 5?
Triple 8?
Which one's it called?
The PTCC with the Vauxhall people right now.
Swing in the comments.
Racing Pumas, possibly a bit.
Racing Puma, definitely.
Because a lot of people...
Sorry, I interrupted you.
No, I was going to say Racing Puma for sure.
That's the most, like someone that Nan would go,
I have one of those.
No, you didn't.
No, this is a Racing Puma.
Sport K.
And that.
Yeah, I like that.
Street K, eh?
Yeah.
Yeah, fair.
I mean, Nan had one.
Panda 100 horsepower.
Yeah.
100%.
That's up there.
That's our boy.
That's up there.
Also, more normal cream lessons.
You're just saying things now.
These are all just things.
Astra...
Is it 888?
It is a Astra 555?
555 Subaru.
888.
You're very correct, Will.
888, so it's all the BTCC stuff and what such.
Astra Arctic Edition with the pan roof,
with the chicken strips.
That's a crazy one.
What?
Don't worry about it.
Okay.
With the full head.
I've lost it.
The Volvo C30 T5.
Good.
Very good.
Very good.
Because again, that is a...
Perfect.
Someone out there.
If you're an up-and-coming Instagram,
get on it.
Sod.
Get through this list.
If you were from the mid-2000s
and you love that yobbish vibe,
but you were actually an architect,
this is what you'd go for instead.
Saabs and Volvos feel...
Yeah.
Anything with a B203.
Yeah.
Anything sort of Saab turbo or that kind of jet.
Or like 3GM.
The...
Anything Saabaru, which is the American...
And do you know this?
In America, Saab and Subaru had a partnership.
So they sold WRXs with Saab front-ends.
That's kind of cool.
Yeah, they are kind of cool.
I'm going to say another one.
A Volvo manual.
Volvo V70 RS60R.
Shout out.
That's what...
Well, not an R, but we had...
You know what?
Even more so than the R.
The one that we had.
A Volvo...
You didn't buy the R.
A Volvo V70 2.3T manual,
which was the highest horsepower,
non-R that you could get.
And they've got good bearings, right?
I blew mine up.
No, sorry, I blew my first one up.
The second one that Will and I had was good.
That was good.
I don't know where that car is.
At 225,000 miles when I sold that.
If you watch it...
And it still had the VMAX sticker on the side.
Yeah.
If you go and watch the old car throttle video
where they did a 150 mile an hour challenge,
it's a V70, but with a R front bumper.
And then that went to me afterwards,
and then went to Will after that.
Actually, a great car.
Really good car.
A great car.
Had that annoying little problem just about the steering rack.
I can't remember.
I think it's related to the brakes or something
that is just very hard to fix in a right-hand drive car.
But I sold that car for basically what I bought it off you.
And more importantly, it would pop on an upshift
if you really went into it and...
Had a little like backpocks, not delete,
but like it had a little rear section that was stainless steel.
It sounded great.
It sounded fantastic.
It was rough as shit.
I like this game.
I like this game.
I keep trying to think.
I mean, it's like RS6 is too far.
An A4 DTM.
A4 DTM's up there.
Yeah.
Because everyone was chasing the RS4.
That's the 330CI club sport of the A4.
It's not the RS4.
It is the thinking man's RS4.
With the tunic, a turbocharged engine.
A Pirelli edition or a...
Oh, what was the other Mark 5 GTi?
They do.
Yeah, it was...
I think it might be Europe.
I can't remember.
A Mark 5 Golf R32.
Now, I don't think that's true.
I think it is.
And only recently, because when we went to go and see that 159,
the 2.4 wagon that I didn't buy, the chap also had an R32,
but was not that interested in cars.
I couldn't care less.
Didn't really care.
It was just kind of like...
It was just the top of the range Golf.
But he said to us, he was like,
ask me R32 up there.
Love that car.
Very fast.
And that's it.
Was he Northern?
Kind of.
But do you know what I mean?
Mark 6 Adidas is the Golf.
But hold on.
If you show my mum a like Golf GTi versus an R32,
no idea.
True.
But Mark 6 Golf R convertible.
Is that only if you know it, but if you own it?
I'm getting a bit suspect of the person driving that.
Yeah.
If you know then...
Just in general.
I guess it's a...
Yeah.
If you know, you know that they're a bit of a...
Now, Passat R36.
Too much.
Passat CC 3.6.
W8.
You got...
Or W8 is a good one.
W8 is well up there.
Yeah, very good.
That's really up there.
A Mark 1 Audi TT 3.2.
I don't know.
I think a lot of holes into the similar as the R32.
People don't know that though.
The R32, I'll cave.
Okay.
Slightly.
R32 may be a fair point, but the TT.
But perhaps in if you know you know one,
it'll be another case of that where you don't want the 3.2
Contra with the DSG gearbox or even the manual,
because the Contra system just dulls the turning
and adds a few too many pounds to this German sports car.
The one you want is the 150 horsepower with the manual gearbox,
with a snickety gear change and a light rear end.
Going to the front wheels only so that the lightweight chassis
can pull it's way through the corners.
See, this is...
You got...
You got...
If you're in the know, know.
TT Sport Quattro.
Rare.
More than that, A1 Quattro.
You got to know big time.
Do you know what that is?
No.
They made an Audi A1 before the S1 that was all-wheel-drive,
2-litre.
Yeah, it was a limited edition.
It was pre-S.
Really cool looking.
I'll show you a photo.
What was the A1 that I looked at?
That gen.
That shape.
That shape.
But what was the engine?
It was something really cool.
The 1.4.
1.4 TSI.
The twin-charged one, I think it is.
So they made that.
That was a special edition A1 Quattro.
But when you look at that, you'd know.
No, I wouldn't.
You'd go, that's an A1 that someone's stuck a wing on.
RS2, is that too old?
Is that too old, Larry?
An S2 and an S2 event.
Oh, any S?
Yeah.
I don't like S-Audis, but I think some of the older ones
maybe fall into that category.
I want to say that.
Okay, so there is in the Venn diagram of Instagram,
and if you know you know cars, it's actually a surprise.
What were some of his other examples?
His examples.
Now we've got it.
R, Mazda 3 MPS.
Good shout.
Because again, you didn't go for an Astra,
didn't go for a Focus ST.
You went, no, I'm going for the MPS.
The 6 MPS.
Big, big, big time.
Full drive.
You went into Instagram influencer for a moment, came back out.
Full drive.
Because it's full drive, and it's based on a Focus chassis.
While everyone else was driving rowdy hot hatches,
over in Japan, there was a little factory making something.
I've got to love that.
No, no, it's, I don't know what that noise was.
You'd have to, it would need to start with a shot of a Mark II ST
and go, you were a yob in the 2000s, but you've just had kids.
What do you do?
Not all is lost.
That's a bit daytime TV though.
No, I know, because it is very daytime TV.
I was going to say, I was trying to say something like over in Japan,
a small factory was making something way more charming,
but just as rowdy underneath.
Oh, lovely then.
Lovely.
He's got, yeah, Mazda 3 MPS, the V6 Vauxhall Omega.
His explanation for all of these is,
Mazda 3 MPS, because it's a Mazda 3.
Okay.
The V6 Vauxhall Omega, because it's a Vauxhall.
Okay.
The Toyota Celica slash Corolla T,
T-Series Corolla T sports, as it's a Celica slash Corolla.
Even a Golf R, as it's just another Golf.
Golf R.
Golf R estate.
Because I think Golf R stand out.
Yeah, I think they stand out.
When I see a Golf R, I notice a Golf R.
Because they're going Mac-10s around.
GTIs, I think less so.
I think people notice a GTI is a little bit more sort of every man.
But this is a good game.
Yeah.
I like this.
This is a good game.
I'm going to be looking out and going,
who are these people that I know?
Do I know?
I know that.
Do they know?
Do they know that I know?
Just pulling up alongside and going, do you know?
I know.
And they go, what are you talking about?
You go, I thought so.
Is that a Yaris T sport?
The thinking man's Ferrari.
Do you know who don't know?
Anyone who seems to be importing random mini vans from Japan,
they don't know.
No.
Do you know what?
Perhaps they know something we don't know.
Oh, yeah.
Because why are they so mad?
There has to be.
There has to be an explanation for that.
It can't be hundreds arrive every day,
and then the ones that are already there, people going,
can't sell them.
Surely somebody's not going, have you sold those last 100?
Someone says no.
And they go, cool, I'll bring in 100.
There must be a subcategory that's like,
if you know, they might not know.
People who just own these cars and they got no idea.
No one knows anything.
People cruising around in a Mareeva VXR.
It's like, it's almost if you know, you know,
but there's going to be people out there that are like,
this is just my Mareeva.
I don't know what this is.
See, I like that game.
That's good.
That was one of my favorite forum questions for recent times.
Good job, Ben.
Thanks for bringing that question.
No worries, man.
Yeah.
Cheers.
And all the news as well.
That was fantastic.
I might just not show up or something.
Well, Ben, we had to because you're going on hollybabs.
Are you going to do a one without me next week?
Hey, man.
Oh, you are doing one without me next week.
Got to keep the lights on, don't we?
We've got a guest.
But is that going to be a bonus episode
of the week?
They have already gone out because it will be ready for...
We've had a guest recently, guys.
We had Johnny Smith.
Or we are having Johnny Smith for breakfast.
Cream planning goes well.
But are you doing a normal podcast without me?
Probably, yeah.
Okay, well, then I won't see you next week.
We're doing one with J.K. next week.
Yeah.
I will be unhappy if that.
If there is a week where I...
Bear in mind, like, none of us take that much holiday,
but yeah, I know it's a joke.
Whatever.
Shut up.
I have one week.
You're pretty maxed out.
I've taken two days so far.
I'm going to take you one week.
Yeah, last week.
And the week is...
You're booking the Top Gear test track
and you've got some of the coolest cars
and you're possibly getting one of my
actual dream car down.
And then you're going to have a podcast with J.K.
I will just never show up.
Did we tell you Oasis is coming as well?
Yep.
I'd love to see that.
And Boris Johnson, isn't he, one of your favorites?
I don't really care for that as much, but...
But Claire's coming down as well.
Building.
Oh, well, we have to have your standard.
Right.
Well, thank you very much for listening
to this episode of The Cream Podcast.
As always, we will see you next week.
There may even be a bonus episode soon,
or you've already watched it.
Thank you very much for listening.
We will see you next week.
See you next week, guys.
Sayonara.
See you in Barbados.
About this episode
Tire safety and MOT-advisory talk kicks things off, then the hosts get deep into UK paperwork delays around the V5/V62 process while prepping a fleet for a track day at Dunsfold’s Top Gear Test Track. Along the way, they spot an F90 BMW M5 Competition “taxi” and debate what counts as a real taxi. The episode also swings into EV used-car pricing and battery-degradation speculation, before a long “Ranking The Best Ferraris” game.
12 volt battery
1.4 TSI
150 horsepower
2 litre
80% capacity
aftermarket bumper
all wheel drive
anti-Lotus
Ari Performance
auction estimate
Alfa Romeo Giulia
Aston Martin Valhalla
Audi A1
Audi A4
Audi e-tron
Audi e-tron GT
Audi Q3
Audi Quattro
Audi RS 3
Audi RS4
Audi RS6 Avant
Audi TT
BMW 3 Series
BMW 5 Series
BMW M3
BMW M5
Bugatti Veyron
De Tomaso Longchamp
De Tomaso Mangusta
Ferrari 288 GTO
Ferrari Enzo
Ferrari F40
Ferrari F50
Ferrari LaFerrari
Ford Focus
Ford Mondeo
Honda S2000
Jaguar I-PACE
Jaguar Type 01
Lamborghini Gallardo
Lamborghini Huracan
Land Rover Range Rover
Lotus Carlton
Lotus Elise
Lotus Exige
Lotus Type 135
Mazda 6 MPS
Mazda Mazdaspeed3
Mazda RX-3
Mercedes-Benz EQC
Mercedes-Benz ML-Class
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
Nissan Leaf
Nissan Skyline
Oldsmobile Intrigue
Opel Astra
Pagani Zonda
Polestar 2
Polestar 3
Polestar 4
Pontiac Solstice
Porsche 911
Porsche Taycan
Renault Clio
Saab Turbo X
Skoda Octavia
Subaru WRX
Tesla Model 3
Tesla Model S
Tesla Model Y
Toyota Celica
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Prius
Toyota Supra
TVR Tuscan
Vauxhall Astra
Volkswagen Golf
Volkswagen ID.3
Volkswagen Lupo
Volkswagen Passat
Volkswagen R32
Volvo C30
Volvo S60
Volvo V70
Volvo XC90
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