C.R.E.A.M. #86 - We React To The Ferrari Luce, Morgan Owner's Hats And Top 50 Cars
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C.R.E.A.M. #86 - We React To The Ferrari Luce, Morgan Owner's Hats And Top 50 CarsC.R.E.A.M. (The TDC Podcast) · Jun 11, 2026
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Term
tyre load ball
It refers to the tire’s capacity—how much weight it’s meant to handle safely. If you don’t match the right tire specs, the car can behave badly and wear things out faster.
This is a car setup where power is sent to all four wheels using mechanical parts. If the tires aren’t the same size as the car expects, the drivetrain can fight itself and wear out faster.
A “slide” means the car isn’t gripping the road as intended, so it starts slipping sideways. On a performance car, that can happen when you brake, turn, or accelerate too aggressively.
The TVR Tuscan is a sports car made by TVR. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because someone drove it and had a dramatic slide on track. It’s brought up as an example of a car that’s fun but can be tricky.
The Cadillac Lyriq is an electric SUV made by Cadillac. It runs on electricity and is meant to be a comfortable, modern luxury vehicle. The podcast mentions it briefly in a non-technical way.
Car
Lamborghini LP640
The Lamborghini LP640 is a special, performance-focused Lamborghini from the Gallardo family. In this part, they’re talking about how it looks—especially the rear end, the wide tires, and the exhaust—compared to what you might expect from an older-looking car.
The Lamborghini Gallardo is one of Lamborghini’s most famous supercars. Here, they’re basically saying the Gallardo’s design still looks modern, even when compared to something that might look older at first glance.
The Audi RS6 is a powerful, performance-focused Audi wagon/sedan (depending on generation) that’s meant to be quick and fun. Here, they’re talking about it mainly because making a video with the car was harder than expected.
An SSD is a type of computer storage that’s fast and doesn’t have moving parts. They’re using it to save and back up their video files.
Car
copperhead SRT
They’re talking about a Dodge performance car called “Copperhead SRT.” “SRT” is Dodge’s performance brand, and the host thinks the name could come back as a new version tied to the Charger.
The Dodge Viper is a very performance-focused sports car made by Dodge. It’s known for being loud, fast, and built for enthusiasts. The podcast mentions it because it’s being talked about as a specific kind of car that came from an earlier idea.
The Dodge Charger is a performance car from Dodge, usually built to be fast and look aggressive. People talk about it a lot because it’s a long-running model and has had different versions over the years. In the podcast, it’s referenced as an important starting point for the Charger name.
A “muscle car” is an American-style car that’s built to feel powerful, usually with a big engine and a bold look. The host is saying the Copperhead would be in that spirit, but with a more extreme shape.
A V10 is an engine with 10 cylinders. It’s typically associated with big, powerful performance cars, and they’re using it to say “it won’t be that crazy, but it’ll still be strong.”
A V8 is an engine with eight cylinders. In this segment they’re talking about what size engine a big American performance car might have—basically, “it’ll be a V8 at least.”
The Chevrolet Corvette is a sports car made by Chevrolet. It’s known for being quick and for having a reputation among car fans. The podcast brings it up to explain that some other cars aren’t really the same kind of vehicle.
A “halo car” is the brand’s headline car—the one meant to make people excited about the whole lineup. It’s often the most special or attention-grabbing model.
The Dodge Charger Daytona is a special, performance-oriented version of the Charger. They’re saying it’s the “halo” car right now—basically the model meant to represent the brand’s top excitement.
In automotive discussions, “emissions” refers to the regulated pollutants a vehicle produces (like nitrogen oxides and hydrocarbons) that must meet legal limits. The hosts describe a cycle where emission rules push manufacturers to change strategies, then power levels and engine sizes creep back as regulations evolve.
“Reg” means the car’s registration information (its official number). If the car doesn’t have a reg yet, you often have to use the VIN instead to look up its history.
A vehicle history check is a report that uses the car’s VIN to gather records from different databases. It can reveal problems like accident history or mileage inconsistencies.
A mileage discrepancy means the car’s mileage records don’t line up. That can be a sign the odometer may have been changed or the paperwork/history is inconsistent.
Collecting Cars is a website where people list cars for sale with details and photos. Here, the host used old photos from that site to help figure out the car’s background.
The Honda S2000 is a small two-seat sports car made by Honda. It’s known for feeling sporty and responsive when you drive it. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because someone owns one and changed the plates.
The BMW X5 is a luxury SUV, meaning it’s a bigger family-style car with a higher driving position. It’s made by BMW and is designed to be comfortable for everyday use. The podcast mentions it because someone saw one and talked about it in the moment.
The Range Rover is a luxury SUV made by Land Rover. It’s designed to be comfortable and capable, including on rough roads. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because someone is talking about owning and changing plates on their Range Rover.
Car
The Chimera K39
The Chimera K39 is a special, custom-style sports car. The host says it looks like it’s inspired by the Ferrari 037, meaning it’s going for a race-car look.
“Thousand horsepower” means the engine is claimed to make a huge amount of power. It’s the kind of number you usually only see in very high-end performance cars.
Rear-wheel drive means the back wheels get the power. That usually changes how the car feels when you accelerate and how it handles in slippery conditions.
“Modular” here refers to a design approach where major engine components are built in standardized modules. That can make it easier to configure or build different variants while keeping manufacturing and service more consistent.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a sports coupe made by Chevrolet. It’s built for performance, usually with strong engine options. The podcast mentions it because it’s being talked about in connection with an extreme, high-horsepower concept/spec.
A V8 is an engine with eight cylinders. “Twin turbo” means it has two turbochargers that cram extra air in, which usually makes the engine much stronger.
Newton meters measure how much “twisting force” the engine makes. More torque usually means the car can pull harder, especially when you’re not revving extremely high.
“D9” is mentioned like a specific entry in a list, but the podcast snippet doesn’t say what car it refers to. Without the make/model, it’s not possible to explain what the vehicle is. If you can share a bit more context, I can identify it and describe it.
WLTP is a standardized test that car makers use to estimate things like range and efficiency. “Provisional WLTP” means the estimate is tentative and could change once the final testing is done.
A “3 wheeler” is a vehicle that has three wheels instead of four. It’s often like a motorcycle or a trike-style vehicle. The podcast mentions it as an option someone might have to choose.
GTO engineering is described as being nearby and doing work the hosts characterize as a “rest-o mod,” especially involving big V12 Ferraris. The context suggests they’re involved in modifying or updating classic cars rather than building new ones from scratch. That makes them relevant to listeners who care about how classic Ferraris are kept usable and modern.
A “rest-o mod” is a classic car that gets brought back (restored) and then improved with newer tech. The goal is usually to make it easier to drive and more dependable, while still keeping the classic character. In this segment, it’s used to describe upgrades to older Ferrari V12s.
“GTO” is a Ferrari label that usually points to one of the most famous classic Ferraris in the 250 family. The host is saying they’re seeing a 250 Ferrari, but it’s not the specific “GTO” version. Enthusiasts care because the GTO is the standout, most special one.
The Ferrari 550 Maranello is a Ferrari sports car known for being fast and having a classic look. The podcast mentions it because the speaker saw one (described as black) and it made an impression. It’s included as a notable Ferrari model.
The Ferrari F50 is a rare, high-performance Ferrari supercar. It’s famous for being a special, limited-production car, and the hosts here are pointing out that some colors are extremely hard to find.
“In the wild” just means you see the car out in normal life, not at a car meet or event. The point is that it feels more surprising when something rare shows up unexpectedly.
The Ferrari F40 is one of Ferrari’s most famous supercars. It’s known for being loud and hardcore, and the host is saying they’ve only seen one rarely in real life.
The Ferrari Enzo is a super-rare, very high-end Ferrari. The host is basically saying they’ve only seen one in real life, which highlights how uncommon these cars are.
The Ferrari Luce is a new Ferrari model that the podcast says has been revealed. The discussion seems to focus on what it looks like from the front. It’s mentioned because it’s a fresh addition to Ferrari’s lineup news.
“Quad motors” means the car has four electric motors working together. That usually helps the car accelerate strongly and can help it grip the road better because the power can be managed more precisely.
Paddles are the little shift controls behind the steering wheel. You can use them to change gears or driving behavior without removing your hands from the wheel.
They’re saying the car’s design is by Jony Ive, a famous designer best known for Apple. That usually means the inside of the car is designed to feel very clean, intuitive, and thoughtfully laid out.
A “super saloon” is basically a fancy, fast luxury car—like a high-end sedan. They’re saying this Ferrari is meant to feel more like that than like an SUV.
It means the car is throwing small stones or debris up from the road. That debris can hit other cars and leave chips or scratches, especially on paint or glass.
Car
AMG GT four-door
This is a Mercedes-AMG car that uses the “GT” name but comes with four doors. People argue about how it looks and whether it matches the classic AMG GT vibe.
They’re talking about a Genesis (Hyundai’s luxury brand) car that looks like a wagon—meaning it has a longer back for more cargo space than a normal sedan.
In this context, “resurgence” means people started wanting these cars again after not caring as much for a while. When that happens, the used-car prices usually jump because more buyers want them.
A “Mugen kit” means add-on parts from Mugen, a well-known Japanese tuning brand. The host is saying you can install those parts to make the car look like their own.
A rear wing is the spoiler on the back of a car. Its job is to push the car down onto the road so it sticks better, and in this case they’re talking about it being adjustable.
CSL body parts refer to components associated with the BMW M3 CSL, a lighter, more track-focused version of the E46 M3. Enthusiasts often swap in CSL-style exterior pieces to replicate that specific lightweight/track look and spec.
Need for Speed 2015 is a racing video game. They’re using it as an example of how games try to capture real car culture—sometimes by adding new cars, sometimes by reusing older ones.
“Convex” means the wheel face curves outward like a slight bulge. If a wheel looks convex when it shouldn’t, it can mean the wrong wheel design was fitted.
That phrase means the wheel’s spokes angle inward toward the middle. It’s basically a visual clue that the wheel design isn’t the one you’d expect.
Term
T37
“T37” is a nickname for a well-known aftermarket wheel design (from the Rays TE37 line). They’re saying the car has a decent version of that wheel, but it’s not the exact correct one.
The Gordon Murray Automotive T.50 is a high-performance supercar made by Gordon Murray Automotive. The podcast mentions it while talking about a specific “spec” (configuration) of the car. It’s included because it’s a notable new supercar model.
Term
Vented All
“Vented All” sounds like it might be a misheard car name. The hosts are talking about a specific car that should be on their list, but the exact model isn’t clear from this transcript.
The Porsche 918 Spyder is a very expensive, high-performance supercar. It uses a hybrid setup, meaning it can use electricity along with an engine. The podcast mentions it because it’s being ranked among other top supercars.
This is the Volkswagen Golf in its seventh generation. It’s a popular everyday hatchback, but it’s also important because it’s a well-known platform that many performance versions are based on.
This is a Porsche 911 GT3 RS, which is the more hardcore, track-oriented version of the 911. The “4L” means it has a 4.0-liter engine, which is a big part of why it feels so strong and revvy.
The BMW i8 is a sports car that uses electricity along with an engine. The podcast mentions it as part of a numbered list. It’s included because it’s a well-known BMW electric hybrid sports car.
“Carbon” usually means carbon fiber, which is a strong but lightweight material. Car makers use it to help cars feel more responsive and to save weight.
The BMW i8 is a hybrid sports car from BMW. It’s known for being relatively light for a hybrid, and it has a lot of carbon-fiber materials to help it feel more like a real sports car.
Term
hybrids or electric cars
They’re talking about hybrid and electric cars and how heavy they can be. Extra weight can make a car feel less nimble, even if the powertrain is advanced.
The host is talking about doors that open upward instead of swinging outward. It’s a flashy supercar design that also changes how you get in and out of the car.
The McLaren 675LT is a high-performance supercar made by McLaren. It’s meant to be more track-focused than some other versions. The podcast brings it up while comparing it to something else.
The Alpine A110 is a small sports car made by Alpine. It’s known for being light and fun to drive. The podcast brings it up as part of a numbered list.
A Volkswagen Golf GTI is a small hatchback that’s tuned to be quick and fun, not just a normal commuter car. It’s famous because it’s a good balance of speed, handling, and daily practicality.
Term
heart hatches
A “hot hatch” is a regular small hatchback, but tuned to be quicker and more fun to drive. It’s meant to be sporty while still being easy to live with day to day.
GTD is a racing/track category shorthand used for cars built to compete in endurance-style events, typically aligned with GT3/GT4 class thinking but with its own rule set. In this segment, it’s used as a “should be number two” type of label rather than a specific car model.
The Lexus LFA is a rare, high-performance supercar known for its loud, high-revving V10 engine. The hosts are arguing about when it came out and where it should rank.
The Hennessey Venom GT is a supercar built to go extremely fast. People talk about it because it’s designed for top speed and acceleration, not just looks.
The Ferrari 488 Speciale is a more hardcore, driver-focused Ferrari based on the 488. It’s meant to feel more agile and exciting, especially on spirited drives or track days.
The Ferrari 458 is a famous Ferrari supercar with a V8 engine in the middle of the car. Here, they’re trying to remember whether they meant the 458 or a different Ferrari model.
The Toyota GR Supra is a sports car from Toyota known for its strong engine and sporty driving feel. They’re referencing it as one of the cars in their top list.
The Ford GT is a very fast, high-end supercar made by Ford. It’s the kind of car built for performance rather than everyday comfort. The podcast brings it up because it’s being compared in a list of rankings.
The Lamborghini Urus is a luxury SUV made by Lamborghini. It’s designed to be very fast for an SUV, not just comfortable. The podcast mentions it as part of a sequence of cars.
The Jaguar I-PACE is an electric SUV made by Jaguar. It’s designed for normal daily driving but runs on electricity instead of gasoline. The podcast mentions it as part of a numbered list.
In the podcast, “i30” is likely referring to the Hyundai i30 N, which is a sporty version of the i30. It’s mentioned as part of a numbered list. The “N” usually indicates a performance-focused trim.
The BMW M2 is a smaller BMW sports coupe designed for performance. The podcast mentions it as part of a ranking list with other cars. It’s included because it’s a recognizable sporty BMW model.
The Jaguar F-Type is Jaguar’s newer sports car. The hosts are saying it mattered because it helped Jaguar feel like a real performance brand again, not just a luxury one.
The Jaguar S-Type is an older Jaguar model, more focused on luxury than sports-car excitement. The host mentions it to explain what Jaguar was like before the F-Type came along.
The Jaguar X-Type is an older Jaguar model from the 2000s. The host lists it as an example of what Jaguar was like before the F-Type made the brand feel more like a sports-car maker.
The Jaguar XJ-S is an older Jaguar sports/grand touring car. It was known for being a stylish, performance-oriented model. The podcast mentions it because it helped shape how people viewed Jaguar’s XJ line.
The BMW i3 is an electric car made by BMW. It’s designed mainly for city driving and everyday trips. The podcast includes it as part of a list of cars.
The Ferrari 812 Superfast is a very powerful Ferrari sports car. It’s designed for fast highway driving as well as spirited driving. The podcast mentions it as part of a list of cars.
The Rolls-Royce Phantom is a top-of-the-line luxury car. It’s built to be extremely comfortable and refined. The podcast mentions it as part of a list of expensive or important cars.
The Lamborghini Aventador is a supercar made by Lamborghini. It’s known for being very powerful and having a standout design. The podcast mentions it as part of a ranking list.
The Kia Picanto is a tiny car made for city driving. It’s easy to park and usually cheaper to run than bigger cars, and here it’s being joked about as the least “important” car from the 2010s.
The Ford Model T is a very old Ford car that was important in the early days of cars. It helped make cars more common for regular people. The podcast mentions it as a top historical reference point.
W124 is the internal code Mercedes-Benz used for a specific generation of the E-Class. People like it because it’s a classic Mercedes and there’s lots of information and parts available.
Bubbling is when the paint or coating starts to swell. That often happens when rust or water gets underneath, so it’s a warning sign rather than just a cosmetic issue.
Surface corrosion is rust that’s mainly on the outside of the metal. It usually means the car has been exposed to moisture, but it may not be as dangerous as rust that goes deeper into the body or frame.
Rust is when metal starts to break down from moisture and air. On a used car, rust matters because it can spread and eventually damage important parts, not just the paint.
A broad knock is a knocking sound from the car that usually points to something mechanical being worn or loose. It’s not something to ignore—get it inspected because it can get worse quickly.
The BYD Shark 6 is a BYD vehicle that the podcast describes as looking like a truck (similar to an F-150 in shape). It’s being mentioned because it stands out visually and people are comparing it to familiar vehicle types. The podcast snippet doesn’t go into technical details.
The Ford F-150 is a very popular big pickup truck. The hosts are saying the car they’re looking at seems to copy the F-150’s look, and they’re debating whether that would fly in the U.S.
“C-clamp” headlights means the headlight shape looks like a C. The hosts are using it as a way to describe the front design and how similar another car looks.
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Technically, that's illegal. You must destroy the old V5, bury it in the ocean and then blow up
the ocean. You have well-to-do jobs. There's so many things you could do instead of listening
to this drop. It's sort of like going and seeing apes at the zoo. He's picking his bum.
Hello and welcome back to the Cream Podcast, the 86th Cream Podcast, where you're joined by
myself, Will Edwin to my right and Ben Rogers. Hello. Back from Barbados still. He hasn't gone back
yet because we did the last podcast about 10 minutes ago. Yes. But anyway, at the beginning
of every single podcast, we asked if Carl's rule of ruin, how God, this week, a lot's happened.
Last 10 minutes, I bought a Sandisk SSD on eBay for cream to back up things. So for me,
it's a rule. I love it. A rule. I needed a piss on my last podcast towards the end. I've since
sorted that out. So for me, it's a big rule. Lovely, Will. Do you know what? There are things I
forgot. Let's call it a ruin. Last week was a rule, which was yesterday.
No, which was seven days ago because of this car. And it is still kind of a rule. But what happened
in 10 minutes? Earlier on today, I found out I bought the wrong tyres for this car. I've been
collecting parts. What is this car for? This is the My Mamakini Masculago, which feels insane,
really, to say that. But it needs to go back on the road and it needed tyres. I had to buy
tyres at a great expense. You bought a car with an MOT, right? Yeah, of course. It hasn't been on
the road for five years. So, you know, no MOT. So I had to buy tyres. I did that. It was very,
very expensive. I thought I had it done. And I was watching some how-to videos. A man called,
I think his name is Benzina. That's the Italian version of fuel, I believe. He's got lots of
really good DIY how-to stuff on Masculagos. And it's actually quite therapeutic to watch.
Also, it's very useful for me. He was talking about his wheels and I just saw the picture and I
went, 2453518 I was like, okay, that doesn't sound like what I've
bought. And I checked my receipt for the tyre load ball and have fitted already. And I bought the
wrong size. And these cars are very sensitive to sizes because it's like a mechanical four-wheel
drive system. And if you have something that's too slow or too fast, you can start chewing stuff up.
So I now need to buy no tyres. And it turns out those tyres are very hard to find. And I found
some for sale and they're £500 each. So I'm not paying that.
Stealing it instead. I'm not paying that. So yeah, I'd call that, I'd call that a ruin,
but I'm actually just going to call it a rule because it is still there.
Yeah. And okay. So it should, on any other car, all of those costs and all of those annoying things
would be a ruin. But it's still a rule. I'm enjoying looking at it so much. I'm not just
trying to say that like to be like, oh, because of what it is. But genuinely, I've been just,
emotionally for me, isn't my old Lamborghini, but I look at you guys and I keep just drifting
over and staring at it. Yeah. When we were at Dunsfold, I kept, I was out on a lap in the
Tuscan and I just finished a big old slide. I looked around and I just saw it sitting in the
corner. I went, God damn, look at that. We got, we heard one of the world's worst takes last week
when you weren't here. Ben, I pulled it outside very briefly because we had to,
cleaning in here. By who? Who had the worst day? Of course they go. Of course it did.
Peter Andre. I mean, that's enough to give him a Jamiroquai lyric and he says,
Peter Andre, punishable by death. Come on. Pulled it outside and the rear, I think, is
possibly the best angle of this car. And the vents are up as well. It's thick. It is wide.
It is just the most unbelievable angle. And he went, well, it's a bit controversial, but
I think the Gallardo looked better from the back. Crazy. I don't care what I've already
think at any given time, but that annoyed me because I know everyone has an opinion,
but you can't think that. Do you know what that was? You know, when you meet a person and they
make a joke about you to just you, like you're the audience to that joke, and it's mean, right?
It's like that. It's like, when you think about what you're doing there, the person's going to
laugh. They're going to go, why have you said that to me? It's the same thing there. You're all
looking at this, most like, okay, look how good it looks. And then someone goes, I hate it.
Do you know what the reaction could have been? I was, I literally, I went home that night and
I laid in bed and I was like, what did he mean? And I tried to start analyzing and trying to work
out how he could figure out where. And I think it comes from this. When you look at this from
mind, this looks like an old car. Whereas the Gallardo actually has quite a fresh design.
When you look at the rear of an LP640, it looks as modern as a Gallardo. That makes sense.
That's my only thing I can think he's thinking. It's just so vast and wide and the wings are up
and it's yellow and it's got massive, wide rear tires, you can see and the exhaust.
And he's like, listen, but then I had to remember what cars he owns. Exactly. His tasting automobiles.
It doesn't matter. And what shade of green the next car will be and from what British company
it will be from. Listen, Roy, we respect you. Do we do that? I think we do.
Okay. Just on this, this one. Come on. Let's just...
Also great. He's not here to defend himself. Exactly. The perfect time to abuse someone.
I want to change mine to a ruin. Oh, sorry. What the hell? What's happened in the last
two minutes? Because I'm going to bring in... Not so much about my personal cars. I'm going to
bring in some work stuff to this. Okay. The RS6, man. Yeah. It's just a... I hate it. I went away
for a week thinking and genuinely thinking, when I get back, we're done with that. I like the car.
It's cool. It's good content, but actually filming it and trying to produce content with it is so
difficult. Like, that video is going out, what? For you, it'll be out by now, but for us, it's in
the video on track at Dunsfold, ruined. Yeah, completely ruined.
It did ruin it, genuinely. And I've been thinking about this for the last week.
And this is the only reason I haven't been deeply upset about it. Yes.
We had the perfect lineup set up for that car. The weather wasn't the best, granted. But still,
we had little patches of sunshine and we had this perfect lineup to race that car. And the car said,
not on my watch. And it wasn't a cheap day.
Looking at the top of his s-track is not cheap. You should not get any refunds.
So, yeah. Sod that car. It also wasn't... You told me that it had broken down. I was like,
cool. Not a problem. It'll be probably what? We've got up against four out of the five cars.
End of the video. It breaks down. Quite a cliffhanger. No, it's not even halfway through the
first run. I edited that section of the video and there's not even enough to really build any
tension. It just literally takes off three seconds later. Dead. That's it. Yeah. It's just dead.
So, you know, shout out the RS6. Great stuff. It feels like we're trying to restore a 250GTO.
John, I think it might be easier to do that because at least there's stuff available.
Tomorrow morning, I'm going to called Lamborghini to try and get cheaper parts and more available
parts than from Audi. That's a good point. Yeah. That's a good point. So, Audi, sort it out,
please. But you're a ruin. If I have to come into the unit one more time in the morning
and film you taking off an inlet manifold on a V10 RS6, I will just put the camera down.
This will be the last time. I believe it. Do you know what? I'm just going to stay
rule with my SSD. So, you know, we'll just keep that a little bit positive. You've got a white one,
right? Yeah. Got one. Which we've not seen before. No, no. Two terabyte SSD for cream, you know,
backups. So, yeah, yeah. It's just keep filling my one up with a week for me. Shall we move on?
Boots. As always, leave your rules and the ruins in the comments. We like reading through them.
We might read some. Shout out the creamers. Read the good ones.
How do you know what's going to be a good one? Exactly. Exactly. You just got to predict it.
Will does that thing where he puts half of them in the bin and says,
I don't work with lucky people? I've never heard that. That's quite good.
There has been a rumour. There has been a rumour. Not again. Yeah, no. No, no, no. The second week
in a row. Hold on. These things keep happening. I don't know who starts. Who's spreading this?
Someone starts a rumour and it just spreads like wildfire.
Dodge are coming out with a car. It's cool. It has an odd, I don't know if this is a code name
or a secret thing. It's sort of an idea. They did a thing recently where they announced,
we're going to make a 100000000 cars. It's like a hundred and something models
that they're like, this is what we're going to do. Is it new cars or what? Yeah. Some of them are
based on current things or whatever, but they did announce in there, I think called a copperhead
SRT. Now, a copperhead. Is that an old thing? Now, the copper, if I must refresh my memory,
is it a hideous looking red thing that I've seen in photos? Yes, which was,
if that is what I'm thinking, I used to have a model car of one. It was the basis, yes,
of the Viper. And then there was also, or this is going to upset me and fellow nerds are going to
remember it, the base for the charger. Basically, when Dodge went back to that big kind of cross
grill, they had this really cool, it was called a, I want to say it was a charger concept. It was
called, I just did a look up the, it was a 1999 charger RT concept, which was in midnight club
from memory. It was this really cool looking, swoopy charger thing. I remember the copperhead
concept from before. I didn't realize all the photos I've seen have been on this slightly odd
looking rain nineties concept that kind of looks like a Viper that someone's forgot to finish off.
But apparently they might bring that name back and it'll be based on the current gen
charger. And it'll be, it'll be kind of a muscle car, but a bit more than that. So it's meant to
be like a low slung two door thing, which that's meant to be a little bit mad. It'll be like there.
It will be Dodges Halo car. Oh, wow. Cause yeah, copperhead is like a, is a snake type beat.
So is this meant to be so Viper turn of the Viper, but it doesn't sound because they're
saying it's going to be based on the charger, which I think, because I think it would be
like a, how you would have, it's like a lower version of the same name. That makes sense.
He's in the family of a Viper. He's not quite a Viper. He's below that.
But that could be interesting. Cause I want to know, obviously I don't think it's going to be
quite as crazy as a truck V10 or whatever, but still, because I imagine it at least be a V8.
Even, even a normal, even the base model Viper, when it came out,
you can't really compare that to a Corvette. I think, I think the Viper's a step above it.
Whereas if it's a Corvette fighter, that's kind of cool to have like a base model.
Cause if it's meant to be the Halo, like a big boy, or maybe it is meant to be.
I wonder if they're just saying that because they're like, we don't have anything better.
We don't have a Halo right now. Right now, the Halo car is a charger Daytona.
And with all the like changing in restrictions for emissions and what like, are they just going
to go mad with it? Please. But I'm looking forward to that.
Let's start these, let's start this American war that we had before where it was, it was Dodge,
Dodge Chevrolet and Ford all going at it and going, yeah, we make 400.
Now we'll make, we make 500. And then it's going to get to a point where they realize
actually the emissions aren't that great. And then they'll have eight liter engines making
the 190 horsepower again. And the cycle will continue. And America continues forever.
And it will come to the UK and we'll buy it and scrap it.
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The creamers making friends, I want us to just do a shout out to the creamers because I read
through the comments of the last podcast. And not the last one now, quite a while ago.
One of them, I don't know any more. A podcast. The one where we said,
have you guys made friends via being creamers or TDC or whatever. And there were actually
quite a few comments. I read quite a few and it warmed my heart. Genuinely.
It was nice to hear about people making friends because of the podcast and it made me think,
you know what? It's worth doing. Fair. Which I think anyway.
So other than the incredible amounts of money you're paid to do it.
Well, that certainly helps. It's a bonus, isn't it?
And no, genuinely, I enjoy the podcast as it is, but that made me feel even more positive about it.
I was not expecting it. I thought there was going to be people who would be like,
yeah, man, this is just a podcast. But a lot of people are like, yeah, I met people,
I know people from it. People being like, yeah, I made friends in my local supermarket
because somebody mentioned TDC. That's pretty cool. That's wild. And then I forgot what I was
going to say. Oh, that's it. There you go. But no, you had no, no main ones that stood out.
That was one of them. And then just people who seem to,
few people that are saying that they met people in like online forums and stuff talking and they
are now like, they talk regularly. It's just cool. Oliver, who takes care of Nixon's Heartless
Collection, who we will by now have gone and done a tour of, he said after he had listened to the
podcast, said, I met while waiting for my baby to be born, another couple who had just had a baby
or were waiting for theirs. And he was like, yeah, or just TDC. They were like, oh, yeah, me too.
And they're just mates. That's crazy. Yeah, no, it's just, yeah, it's just nice to hear about.
It is very odd when I hear about people talking about because it exists. People listen to this.
Yeah, weird. There are people that listen to this podcast somehow. In my head,
we click stop, we put on the internet and then that, that's it. It just gets deleted.
There's just that one dude. There's the one dude who's obsessed with Ben's feet,
but that's it. Like that's the only person listening to podcast. There's no one else
other than the three people in this room that listen. Oh, three views. Amazing.
We get a guest and it goes, oh, four. That's Ben listening on his way to work,
back from work and to work. I actually do listen to it.
That's weird that you listen back. No, I never listen to that. I can't, I can't.
Sometimes I've, if I've needed to, if someone's commented on something or
mentioned something to me on Instagram, whatever, I'm like, I'll go and listen to that back.
But yeah, I don't always, I don't remember anything we say. That's why I listen to it because
that's why I'm worried. Yeah. We refer back to it. And obviously, usually people who don't know,
we'll film on like, well, a Monday or Tuesday and it releases the Thursday after.
Yes. You'll probably reach a week to 10 days out when you listen to it. At the minute,
we're pre-filming stuff. But because of that, I fully forget what we talk about.
And then it makes it hard to reference it afterwards because you have no idea.
So I do try and listen to it just so I know.
Also, to the creamers who have listened up to date and then go back to the beginning,
that's a crazy one. I've only ever heard of people doing that with the Ricky Gervais podcast,
which is amazing. I still go back and do that as well. But crazy that you do that for us.
Very odd going back because everything is so different.
Even just like the visual, some of you odd folk watch this podcast.
Keep doing it. Just a little bit of strange. But anyway, you can do what you want with the podcast.
But yes, it's come a long way, the podcast. And we've got sponsors on the podcast now.
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Now, obviously, we filmed the last podcast minutes ago. So we haven't looked at any other
cars, but you did run one on the... Yeah. So obviously, when this car came up for auction,
I found the screenshot of the image where I sent it to you guys.
The mercy logo. Sorry. When it was, I think it was 3rd of March was when I found out this car
was coming up and there was no information. So when you buy a car from an auction like this,
they often don't have any information. They didn't put any information on this car until
about three weeks before. So there was a month and a half of nothing. But I did have a VIN number.
There was no reg. This car didn't have a reg on it. It just had a VIN number from the
plate in the engine bay. So I took that, ran a car vertical check and it actually came up with
one, the damage that this car had back in 2007 about a mileage discrepancy back in
2000. I can't remember when, but it went up to 98,000 miles. Oh, lovely.
99,800 or something. And then it also had previous photos. This car was on Collecting Cars,
however many years, five years ago, and it had photos from there. And that then meant I could
go, okay, and it said, that's from Collecting Cars. I then went on Collecting Cars, found more
information from it. Got the reg. So having the car vertical check gave me a load of information
that probably most other people looking at it wouldn't have had. So we're just waiting for
more information. So I had a little bit of a head start just by doing that. And again,
my stones were being turned over. And I was finding information that you can't even get this
information. We can't even get these. So a massive shout out to Carvertical. You can use our discount
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Yes. I want to speak on your plate on your Lamborghini. Go on. Talk about it. I don't
like that plate. What's the plate? FBO2JY. I don't like it either. You just doxed Will,
why did you reach plate? Yeah, you can't see on the screen at all. It's blurred, isn't it?
No one watches the fuckers. No, I don't, I don't know what it is. I don't know. There'll be some
psychology behind it. But certain, not necessarily even like shorter, prior plates, just any number
plate suits cars. My Clio, which was WK55TMX, I like that. It looks kind of angry, but edgy,
you know. This doesn't suit you. I do keep looking at it. The later letters don't. The JYW
doesn't. But an O2 plate, I feel like I'm five again. See, I'm looking opposite. Because like,
when you see a Mercielago, it's usually got some sort of silly plate, like some short plate,
some private plate. There aren't many running around on their original plates. But when I first
saw them, it was in dealership windows or driving around where they were brand new as press cars.
So they did have just normal plates. So an O2 plate, this feels like, it feels a bit O4 rich,
where it's, you just, you just got this thing. You haven't even got a private plate on it yet.
See, for me, that is what I don't like, the FBO2. I don't know what it is. It just, I look at it,
it looks FB for some reason. Yeah, Facebook. If it wasn't O4, God, I might have to keep it.
I feel rich. It's not. I do have plates for it though. So guys, there's a choice of two plates
that I'm really torn between. So the Glado had V10 TDU. Yeah. Because there was a yellow Mark 1,
albeit a Spyder, I think, on the cover of TDU. And also the car was in the game and whatever
else. And then the moment I saw this car come up sale, I had no idea how this would ever happen.
And I went straight on the DVLA website and I saw V12 TDU. I knew it was for sale before,
but I didn't know if it still would be. Saw it for sale. Same price as I paid for V10 TDU.
I just bought it. I was like, I'm going to try and manifest this a little bit. Full shadowing.
I'm going to buy it. And even if it's not this car, it'll be one of them one day. And I have that
plate now. But then you sent me a plate on Collecting Cars a few weeks ago. That was Y1LLW.
And it was expensive. It was thinking it was about £1,000 or so with fees. But for a plate
that's just got a single one in it and just looks like the word yellow, basically,
it wasn't that bad. And I tested it on here. It's quite cool. And it does look cool. And also
sort of nerd fact is the episode one of the new top gear. So 20 odd years ago,
they've raced a 6.2 in Masciologo, purple, violet, really cool color, which was, I think it was
HR rowing or was one of the dealer. It wasn't a press car. It was Lamborghini London car.
That was it. And the plate on that was Y1. And then the plate I've got has Y1 in it. So
there's a little thing in there. But I don't know. I think I might run V12TDU.
It was in the game though. That was one of the first games where I played. And
that car was on there and you could open the doors and you could spec it. It was the worst
model you've ever seen. Also, Will's got photos of the Glado with V10TDU and then having some more
photos that has V12. I like that. I like that plate on this car. But I don't know the fact that
you've now put V10TDU on your alpha. Because I can imagine your driveway. That's funny.
But I don't think I think you're like a whopper.
But also, I'll never have this on the driveway. But yeah, I would have them next to each other
is, you know, something we think, oh, what's his ridiculous initials? Yeah, I just
don't know. What is you surname? Big whopper energy.
You know, it's not, but then it goes, it like, it sort of comes around and meets itself again.
If you had the Glado still and you had both, then it's kind of cool.
Yeah. Yeah, that is fair. I'll probably, I'm leaning towards Y1.
I'll keep V12 for Yilu. Because you could have fun with Yilu as the excitement of
first having it is there. And then when you mature a bit.
Oh, then you'll chuck the V12TDU because it's, you know, specification.
I've matured. This is a game I played as a child.
I've been surprised at how many people knew it, though, from just going into TDU. And a lot
of people that go, that's not TDC. Is it a U? C sideways when I didn't,
they actually wasn't TDC, so. Would you want TDC?
Probably not. That sounds bad, but I don't know. TDC is what it is.
And that's a cream, cream plate. Still cool. Still want a cream plate.
Yeah. Missing. It's really, it's a really hard word to form.
I tried to buy the years ago, C12 and NT. Because I thought it was funny.
And it was cheap. It was 250 pounds. And I'd never bought a private Red Bull. And then
towards the, like maybe six months ago, I was like, Oh, is that plate still for sale?
That'd be funny to buy. It's gone. It's not on the, not on the TV. So either someone's bought
it or the government went, Hey, get rid of that. It's disgusting.
I made a decision last week about plates. I own S 200 BNN, which was from S 2000.
And I took it off because I didn't want anyone else to have it. That's my guy.
You're what's called, you're that person that refuses to sell a car and they're like,
I'll get to it. No, that's mine. No, I just, I don't know. It's my, because it's not my name,
it's BNN, but I like it. It became like a podcast thing. I was like, I don't really want to sell
the car with it on it because that's my plate. So I've kept it and you got to pay to keep it
or whatever. But I thought, you know what, I'm just going to run it on whatever car I have.
That's my, that's my fun car because now it's called, it's kind of like cream law.
So for me, I'm like, even though it isn't an S 2000 and it's to be fair, the plate isn't even
S 2000, I'm just going to run it as it is. Fair because I have it. You've got other options.
You've got a high end by coupé, S two. You could put that on there. Is it a Honda?
No, there's not a S 200. You could put it on. God, that's, you don't really have many.
No, do you know what I did? I did look for that. So when we first, just after we started DC,
I bought my silver clear of will, the plates available was CL 10, Ben clear, Ben clear, Ben,
but I can't put it on that because that car was a 2005 and you can't make a color.
It was just sale. It was, it was for sale. It was 250 quid.
That's gone. By the way, now, now that you said that's gone.
Oh, well, no. So when, now I want to buy another clear, 200. I thought each time,
you better buy that. That'll be cool. Well, you got about a week. It's gone, gone.
But what I did then look for, I thought, do you know what I mean? I don't really want Ben.
No, it's surely not. Ben is a bit whopper, but bun is fine.
FTM. Not available. Really? I want to know who has a CL 10 bun and I will buy that for the,
what's your max price? Not a lot because one of us has got it.
Not a lot. Thanks. Now, do you know what? Plates are,
plates are something I never understood. We've talked about it a few times before,
but it's, it's weird how at first you're like, this is stupid. And I do think spending silly
amount like spending tens of thousands of pounds, even a few thousand pounds feels
ridiculous for what is essentially owned by the government. It's not yours.
You just have the right to display it so the government can track you,
not to get too tinfoil hat on you. But that's essentially what they are.
You're just giving them thousands, tens of thousands of pounds.
And if it's not a car, and if they don't like the way you display it, they just take it away.
Yeah. And if it's not, if it's not on a car, then it is a piece of paper you get for 10 years.
Yep. You basically, you basically license it for 10 years. And then if you don't renew that,
it's not yours anymore. Scott, you also can't transfer them properly.
The plate I bought, why one plate I bought? I'd never bought a plate like from someone,
as if you're buying a car or something like a used plate, I guess.
Couple of owners on this one, low mileage though.
But I bought it. I was like, how do you do this? I think you get a retention form.
So when you have another plate and you take it off, you have a retention form,
that retention form lasts for 10 years until you put it on a car.
But I thought on that form, it would say, or you can transfer ownership, you can't.
Yeah. You have to put it on a car. And then for me to then like put the plate in my name,
I would then have to take the plate off. I mean, forgive me if I'm wrong,
someone tell me if I'm wrong. But from what I'm reading, there's no way.
So I've just got a form at home with another man's name on it.
Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know, he might have a photo of it.
I might come to put that car on the car and it goes, oh, sorry about that. That's an old form.
And every time you do it, they reissue your V5, your document,
like not to keep a slip when it is, it's your registration certificate, right?
When Will saw me his X5, so you had a plate on it, right?
And basically, what he wants to do was go from Will owning the car with his plate
to me owning the car with my plate on it. Will had to take the plate off the car.
So he's already got a V5. Yeah.
He then takes the plate off the car, gets a second V5 with the original plate on it.
He then transfers it to me. Yes.
I then get a V5 with the original plate as a third V5.
And then I then put my plate on it and I get a fourth V5.
So that whole process is for V5s. And each one takes five days to come.
I have so many V5s at the moment.
From like selling the Clio and the Range Rover, that's taking the plate off the Range Rover
and then having the original plate on the Range Rover, selling the Clio,
but keeping that the same. And then the Gallardo one, my God,
the amount of V5s I have for that, I've just kept one.
As I might, I just want to keep it. That's just so I have a Gallardo V5.
Hey, technically, that's illegal. You must destroy the old V5.
I love that when the government puts that on things. You must destroy this now.
It's not dubbed in it. It's destroyed.
Throw it into the fires of Mount Lune.
That's what it feels like. It feels like if you rip it in half, they go,
that's not good enough. That's not going to do. You could put that back together.
I want you to put it. I want you to set it on fire. I set your house on fire.
It's the only way to be sure it's gone. Stamp it into the ground.
Bury it in the ocean and then blow up the ocean.
What we got next?
We have some things and stuff and news that will be old news.
Like last week, you heard it here. Absolutely last.
Just the last place you heard it, but you know what? We'll do our best.
The Chimera K39. So that is a thing that looks like a 037.
I think they already came out with a version of it, but at this
The Villa Desk, that's the one. The Aston Villa thing.
That's the one. They revealed a new one that has a Koenigsegg V8.
What? Yes, it has a Koenigsegg V8 with a thousand horsepower.
And it's a rear wheel drive. It's a rear wheel drive.
I don't know if it's a manual. I'm going to assume it is.
And it weighs not much. It doesn't weigh much, but you know what?
I did see some Instagram videos of it driving past and I thought,
you know what? That does look unbelievable because it looks like,
it's not the 037. What was the racing? Was it a Monte Carlo?
It was a super wide one with a massive wing. Maybe that's what this is going for.
I don't know. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Of the 037? I think it might have been a racing version of the Monte Carlo.
Okay. It's probably nerds out there.
Don't you want to talk about this? That is what I'm talking about.
Whatever you're talking about, that's what I'm talking about.
Photo on the screen.
We'll put photos on the screen of both, but it has like 037
vibes as well, but it just looks cool. And with the Koenigsegg V8.
That's kind of crazy. Also, what a flex.
Now, is it? Because we've talked about this before. Is it from Koenigsegg?
Yes. There was a picture of him shaking hands with Mr. Koenigsegg himself.
That's how you know.
He hasn't just taken like a, he hasn't got a used one on Facebook.
He's got a 4.64 modular, Stuck's and Ford's rods have gone.
Koenigsegg in this one.
It's a collaboration between Camaro and Koenigsegg.
1,000 horsepower, 1,200 newton meters, twin turbo V8.
What's the cost of that? What's the cost on buying an engine from Koenigsegg?
That's, I want to know that.
It looks cool.
Just, is it, what is it? Half a mil?
Do you have to go, Christian, to send us over one?
He's buying them in bulk.
If I buy two, do I get this count?
Because that's the thing. I can't imagine them.
I don't know how many they're making of these.
I can't imagine it's a mass produced car.
So again, it's, maybe it's easier to do when it's like that, but they can't be.
No.
They can't be cheap at all.
More Ben's price bracket.
Yeah. But yeah, Ben, how many you got in order?
I can't count.
We have to have one to go alongside your Koenigsegg, of course.
Well, yeah.
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But I mean, they're all in.
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Edwin, you put in here.
What's all that sound then, actually, again?
Oh, what kind of, what was that?
Joe, you give me if that is Ben's bag.
That is Ben's bag.
Because I didn't think it was going to be happening 45 days later.
Hold on.
That's how I feel.
Shall we chat amongst ourselves?
We'll carry on.
Let's see if I can remember that.
We'll move on.
We'll let Edwin think.
This one's for you, Benjamin.
Here we go.
This one.
Is it news?
Is you.
You said you swore in this one.
I can't say that.
Did I?
You said, what's the F is an A on?
Oh, yes.
Well, we're going to discover together.
Okay.
I was driving to work this morning.
No, no, bloody.
On the M4 motorway.
There's rumours of that.
And I saw a big old truck.
Okay.
You know when you have the ones carrying many new cars?
Yes.
And they were all the same car.
And it was an AI on with the brand.
Okay.
Never seen how powered by AI.
I don't know.
I don't know the answers to that.
It's an AI.
I've got AI only here.
I'm on their garlic sauce.
I'm on their website right now.
And I'm seeing the name of the model I'm looking at.
I don't know if it's what you're looking at.
It's sort of like a crossover thing.
What's it called?
It's called the A on great eight.
And that is called the great eight.
And it says, oh, it's A on eight great.
But I'd read that A on great.
Hang on.
It's reloading.
A on great eight.
That's because it's got eight year warranty,
eight year servicing,
eight years roadside assistance,
eight years of MOT as standard.
And it costs eight pounds.
Eight years of MOT.
Eight years.
You can't do that.
Is that eight years after the three year period?
They're limited.
It's only like 11 years of MOT.
I think that they're limited.
So you bring it towards for a free MOT.
Okay.
But how do they are they assuring that it will pass?
But they don't need it for the first three.
Yes.
That's free.
So that's kind of us.
So it's five years then.
Yeah.
You scammed us.
I'm not buying one now.
But yeah.
No, that's true.
Or is it your first eight MOTs for a total of 11?
I don't know what this is.
It just fails.
And they go, it's by a company called Gax.
G-A-C.
Okay.
Right.
Crazy.
What does that sound for?
Gax.
No, I want you to tell me German automobiles can do one.
Is what it stands for.
I don't know.
But it's by Gax.
Okay.
Well, it's, yeah, that makes sense.
So they got two cars.
So that's the Gax Ion.
So what's that one called?
The eight.
Well, the website says Aon Crate A.
And I've just gone on their models and that's not listed.
So there's the Aon V, which I'm going to assume is five.
Yeah.
Aon V.
And then there's the Aon UT.
As far as I'm aware, it's not a Roman numeral.
You see, I saw the Aon V.
I saw Aon V.
Sorry.
Is that that?
Sorry.
This is a really bad website.
We've got the Aon, Aon V, and the Aon UT.
And then in SUV section, we have the Aon.
No, I just had the Aon.
No, we've got two cars.
That's it.
No, we don't.
We have, I'm on the website.
It's a great website.
We've got a little bit of Trump.
No one knows more about Aon than me.
It's the Aon Crate A is on the front of the UK website.
I've just seen, it's not called the great eight.
But wait, then beneath it.
Oh, that's the marketing.
It's great eight.
Eight year warranty.
Yeah.
Okay.
Although it sounds like a sort of thing I would get from a new Chinese car brand.
The Aon V is what I saw.
Okay.
Then there's the Aon UT.
Tell me about it.
Tell me about it.
I don't care.
No.
Do you know what it is?
It looks, we'll put it on screen, but it looks like a Kia.
Okay.
No.
Or any other car on the road right now.
36,000 pounds.
Okay.
Which feels expensive for a Chinese electric car.
I felt like they were undercutting most cars,
seems like the double prices.
I think that is, is undercutting.
Dear Lord, 18 minutes and you get 200.
I read the first bit and didn't say it.
So I just said 18 minutes.
18 minutes.
Oh my God.
It's great.
18 minutes.
Great.
Oh, the websites have changed.
Okay.
Up to 250 miles of charge in under 20 minutes.
Okay.
And then with a little asterisk next.
Yeah, there you go.
There he is.
There he is.
370.
370 miles of range.
And many of it just says London's Newcastle on one charge.
And then it has two asterisks.
Oh no.
Is that the exact distance?
No, that's not.
London's Newcastle's got to be about 250, 200, 250.
Also, 317.
So specifically where in London?
Yeah.
Is it the Shard or is it Shoreditch?
Yeah.
Because they're different places.
Oh, of course.
Ben thinks of London and goes Shoreditch and the Shard.
That's how you know this big money.
Big money, Ben.
Blimey.
That's a big old city innit?
What would you have thought?
I measure mine.
Mine goes from the stream to the hobbit hole.
I'd say, I don't know, Big Ben, not Shoreditch.
The Shard is like the biggest building in Europe or something.
I think the Shard and the Shoreditch are relatively close.
Yeah, I thought, as I said it, yeah.
But it's somewhat central.
Yeah.
But it's just you went for two very posh locations.
Oh, God.
All right, then.
Barking and...
Here we go.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Bristol Bay is another country.
Canary Wharf is my little one.
There you go.
There you go.
I think we're not that far away either.
Big Vancouver.
It's quite good at getting the geography very close.
I think they're famously quite close to each other.
I'd say so.
OK.
The Shard to where are we going?
What's that bridge in Newcastle called?
What, the Golden Dane?
That's the river.
Yeah.
The Tine Bridge.
I don't know what the...
Tine Bridge, Newcastle.
OK. So, from the Shard to the Tine Bridge in Newcastle
is exactly 290 miles.
So, you're wrong.
It's...
You've got another 27 miles there.
Yeah.
Now, what are we doing?
Are we expecting...
I don't know what it is.
They know the UK market so well.
They know there'll be roadworks.
Sure.
There'll be traffic.
There'll be people slowing down and stopping on the motorway.
Because they must look at the Blingo that's broken down.
Now, what happens when it's winter
and it's cold and you have a heated seat, Tom?
Newcastle comes closer.
It's the Newcastle, the one by Stafford.
It's the one halfway up the country.
They didn't...
Yeah, did they say Newcastle upon time?
Is it lime or something?
Yeah, Newcastle under lime.
London to Newcastle on one charge.
He didn't say.
They didn't specify smart marketing.
This is going to be another London along the way somewhere.
There's a few more points here that are good.
500 litres.
I would assume of storage space.
And the main thing it says, that's five big suitcases.
God, crazy good marketing.
I don't know if it is.
Times like this make you really wish for a denzer.
And then beneath it, the asterisk says...
So this is the one that says up to 250 miles of charge under 20 minutes.
Asterisk.
The asterisk for that is from 30 to 80%.
So that's half charge.
But that is when they charge fastest.
I know, but that's half charge.
You can't be like, this thing charges in...
That's like being, oh yeah, it charges from 8 to 9% in two minutes.
Oh, wow, how impressive.
And then after the Newcastle, London to Newcastle thing,
it says provisional WLTP.
So they're just guessing.
That's not actually what it is.
It's kind of interesting inside in a way.
It's kind of meant to look a bit like a Mercedes.
And it says it's got heat seats in the back.
And you can fold the seats flat so you can sleep in it, they say.
Do you know what?
It's quite interesting how quickly these Chinese cars have taken over.
Not taken over, but how quickly I've started to see them everywhere.
I'd say this time last year, it would be if I saw one, I'd be like,
oh, that's kind of weird that these here.
One a day, one or two a day, I now see of a cherry or a...
Well, BYD, there's loads of BYD.
Oh, BYDs.
You've got a lot of jacos.
Yeah, a couple of jacos, leapfrogs.
No, leap motors.
Leap motor, that's the one.
Yep.
Do we have Neo here?
Maybe, yeah.
I think we do.
We've got X-Peng.
X-Peng, we've got the Xiaomi.
I think that's a phone.
Yeah, but they also make cars.
Of course they do.
Why would you just make one thing?
And look, let's not forget who pays the bills, who keeps the lights on.
It's Denza.
Denza.
Danny Craig.
Our boys at Denza.
Oh, they see.
Our boys at Denza, keeping the lights on.
Can't wait for the sponsorship, don't worry.
Do you know what, this is just a forewarning to crewers.
If the day we ever get off a Denza sponsorship comes in,
we might actually consider it not for the money, simply for the meme.
Because if they offer us three cars, we're going to take it.
Joe, I'll give it a fair review.
Now, hold on.
We were looking at Denza's at lunch.
I was sheer, just random interest.
They've got some cool stuff.
Yeah.
Now, hold on.
We're not going to...
They're not paying yet.
So, let's keep the Denza.
They might have some cool stuff.
They potentially might have some cool stuff.
We'll give it a fair review.
We're waiting to find out.
We've heard from Daniel Craig.
What was it?
They're pretty good.
They've got crab mode.
Yep.
That's...
Yeah, they do.
That's how you sell it to us.
Now, Denza always makes me laugh because it's now become,
not just cream law, but off-camera as three law.
We were just joking about Denza today.
Just like we are now.
Hold Denza with Danny.
Yeah.
Because they're not properly in the UK yet.
So, our pitch to you is we can integrate you into the UK market.
And culture.
Using our audience of car people who have switched on electric heads.
Now, the thing that we've laughed earlier is that they're not in the UK yet.
On our website, it says launching early 2026.
Now, last time I checked, next week is June.
So, you've almost missed the cut-off point of a half-way.
It said launching in Europe in November,
cars starting to come to the UK in the beginning of 2026.
Where they at?
Where's Denza?
Daniel Craig.
He loved them so much.
He's got orders going to his.
Bet he does.
I bet he does.
I think they spunk the budget a bit on the marketing.
We can't make cars now.
So, you've got Daniel Craig.
You're James Bond.
We can't even pay the employees anymore.
You've put in here people in Morgans wearing hats.
Why is it that every time I see a person in a Morgan,
it's an old man wearing some sort of wicker hat?
Because of wicker hat.
Wicker.
Yeah.
It's always like a raffia hat.
Like Willow.
What?
Willow plant.
It's a Panama style hat.
Okay, right.
So, is what I'm seeing.
But I think I was driving the other day in TVR.
I saw two Morgans and both of them had older gentlemen wearing hats.
And they always have, they're always a statement type hat.
It's not just I'm throwing my hat on.
It's this is my hat.
It's a Morgan hat.
This is a big.
And then we were driving on Friday.
Let's go and look at one of the golf hauls.
Morgan.
Man in a hat.
Man in a hat.
Quite, I need to know what it is.
Other cars.
Other cars, just normal hats.
No one feels like they have to wear it.
Like if you have an MX-5, you're not feeling like they need to wear it.
It feels like a performative hat.
Yeah.
It feels like.
Oh, wow.
I'm trying.
I'm, you're going to see me in the Morgan.
It's a bit.
We got the roof down.
Because only, you know, not even could pull hats off.
No.
So, because of that.
Famously.
Famously.
Will can't, will can't have Morgan.
No.
No, that's what I mean.
What would, what would you do?
I would just wouldn't.
I couldn't, I just wouldn't wear the hat.
And then I wouldn't be able to drive the car, would I?
Or you have to go for a three wheeler.
So it's, it's out there enough that everyone's like, well, he doesn't need a hat.
Although I've never tried on a hat like that.
Like a Panama hat.
Oh, wow.
So maybe.
Trevor Landlord loves them.
Oh, he comes whizzing around.
And he suits it.
And he suits it.
And do you know what he would suit?
He would suit it with Morgan.
Well, he's the company that he used to work for was called something more,
something Morgan Engineering.
Wow.
So that's why the moment he started working there, they went, get that hat on.
Oh boy.
I bought a hat last week.
What was it?
I bought a, what are they called?
Like a safari hat.
In the ones where you can like fold the sides up and it's got a little button on the side.
Crocodile down there.
Literally that sort of thing.
Yeah.
And it's got the dangly, the dangly neck thing that you can like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
With a little cork swinging.
No cork swinging on it.
But it's cool.
Where do you plan to use that?
I wore it.
Where?
When I was holding it.
In Barbados.
I wore the hat.
Okay.
I bought the hat there.
Do you have a photo of you in the hat?
I can take one.
We'll be needing one of those.
I can take one.
And you brought the hat home.
So you brought the hat home.
The hat is hung up on display.
Now, what that allows you now is the ability to buy a Morgan.
If you walk into a dealership wearing that, they'll go,
Sir, what kind of car can we get?
What's the spec that you'd like?
What I'll do is I will take a photo of me in the hat.
We can overlay it on the screen.
Morgan, do you think Morgan sell hats?
They must have a merch line of hats.
Maybe it doesn't come with a hat.
It comes with the car.
It must have a hat line of...
There is a Morgan...
It's like an optional extra.
Yeah.
They go, do you want the V8, Sir?
Do you want this?
Do you want this to be automatic or whatever?
It depends.
Do you want a hat?
It depends on what type of car you buy.
You get a different style of hat.
So you go for the kind of base model one.
They go called Panama hat.
All good.
You go for the B58 style one.
They're like, right, baseball cap backwards.
They say that's what you're going for this one.
A bald man walks into the showroom and they go, yes.
And it's a guaranteed sale.
Once we get him in that hat, he will know.
He's not getting that.
Morgan is the only way to go.
But I brought this up also to pitch it to the creamers.
Keep an eye out.
You just watch.
Anyone with the roof down on a Morgan,
they've got a kind of interesting hat on.
Just check out that hat and note down.
As long as you're not driving.
Mentally note down the hat if you're driving.
If you're the passenger.
Actually note down the type of hat that they were wearing.
Please.
And then match it to the Morgan.
That's what we need to know.
Is it an older Morgan?
Is it a more modern Morgan?
Because I'm going to guess it.
The more hat wear is an older Morgan.
Arrow eight people, I think, are not in hat people.
But I'm talking the old style hat.
The Morgan.
The Morgan.
Yeah.
Roof down.
Hat.
Yeah.
Big hat.
Big hat.
That doesn't match the car either.
I put it here.
F-50 spot.
And that is because I saw an F-50.
And I just felt the need to talk about it.
Actually, you just don't see them.
We're quite fortunate where we are.
The area we're in, there are many car things around.
We have GTO engineering, not far down the road,
which are, they do lots of, I guess you'd call it a rest-o mod.
They do like the big V12 Ferraris,
where they make the modern and the 250s.
So often driving down, I think we mentioned it before,
but driving down that road, you'll often see a 250 Ferrari,
not GTO, but a 250 Ferrari of some sort.
Driving down the road, you're like, no.
I've seen a few of those.
Another day at the racers.
There's a Noel Hill, which is a cold dealership.
Don't think it's that.
They don't sell that.
It's a car dealership.
They sell some cool stuff.
And then just dotted around.
There's some storage places and just some really cool bits.
And at the moment, on the A4, there's traffic that I avoid
and have been avoiding for quite some time.
And then 11 day, I thought, you know what?
I'm going to try it and see what it's like.
And I came through the green light on my side
and waiting on the other side, just two cars in.
It was just a black Ferrari 50.
Crazy.
I was astounded.
I was just looking in my rear view mirror to check.
I was like, it was just a black F50 in traffic.
And I said to Will, when he told the story, he said,
I saw an F50.
I was like, oh, cool.
What color was it?
He said black.
And I was like, there are, how many F50s, Ben?
I don't remember.
There are 349 F50s.
Oh, wow.
So that's how many black?
Four.
Four.
There are four black F50s.
That's rare.
Now there are, I think the Brunei cars added on top.
So there are two black, two silver, one yellow, one chireto red.
But they are, the black cars are super rare.
I double checked it.
Four black, four in silver, eight in dark red.
Sorry, it's Bachetta, not chireto.
31 in yellow and 302 in red.
So it's just a super rare.
But just, I don't actually remember ever seeing an F50 in the wild.
Yeah.
I've seen an Enzo in the world once and maybe an F40.
But like, it's cool to see them when it's not near a show.
Yeah.
It's not near an event or leaving like,
if an event is on and you see it in the area,
it feels a bit like cheating.
It's cheating.
But that was a raw F50 spot.
Organic.
At rush hour.
Yeah, as well.
Just at rush hour, someone went, oh, I'm just going to take the F50 out.
I'll take it out.
Why not?
Why not?
Who cares?
I'm just sitting traffic in the F50.
That was cool.
Also, it looked really small compared to it.
It was boxed in by lots of electric Chinese mobiles.
So it looked tiny, but in black.
That was so good in black.
I love silver.
Also really good color for F50s.
If you're listening and you've got an F50.
Just let us know, you know.
We can let that out.
Let us know.
And just get it out.
Get it out.
I'm going to press to have a look at.
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Can I get on to some more foreign news?
Here we go.
In the last minute.
Is this hot off the press?
Hot.
The Ferrari Luce Lucy has been revealed.
Now, it's just a front shot.
I just saw it.
I want you to look at the stream
because it was happening as we were speaking.
And here it is.
Oh, no.
Is that not an eyepace?
Oh, no.
Now, for you, this news will be crazy old.
Yeah, two or three weeks.
We're literally finding it out on the spot.
But I'm going to pull up on my phone.
It's 11 minutes past nine.
Now, that was released like five minutes ago.
That's really tough.
I'm not a fan.
You have any information?
This is the electric Ferrari.
Yes, almost 1,000 horsepower.
Quad motors.
So it'll be quick, but it's looking.
It's quick.
It's just quick speed.
And this is the thing that's going to have that old school steering wheel
with the paddles and the old school dials and whatever else.
The only thing we looked at before.
Designed by Johnny Ive.
So this is, it's like an SUV type thing, full-seater.
Some sort of like, I would assume.
Oh, no.
I guess it's kind of like, it's not an SUV, it's not crossover.
I think it's meant to be more like a super saloon type of thing,
but in the shape of a turd.
Now, I've just got, I've got a photo.
Will, you're going to actually hate this.
That is tough.
That's what that is.
That's the actual car.
That can't run.
That's from Ferrari.
But what I do have, what I can see is the wheels.
Now, they are like, what they are, is they appear to be
basically like Ferrari 555 spokes, but with a dish.
Now, this is interesting.
Now, I assume because it's going to be a crossover,
there'll be 74 inches big and they won't fit.
But that's kind of cool.
I want to look into that.
But that's a horrible looking thing.
That actually depicts you just showing me that is vile.
Now, Ferrari can actually, like,
Ferrari, there's got to be a lot of upsets hanging on you.
I have a theory that Ferrari have decided,
right, we're not making enough money.
Let's buy up all of the good old Ferraris.
Like Ferrari are just out here buying up F40s, F50s,
lots of stuff.
They're then going, now let's sabotage ourselves.
We'll make horrible cars.
Now, the value of all of these original cars that we made,
that we've bought, have gone up so massively
that we can sell them on a profit and make more money
than we would have if we had have just sold good cars.
It all makes sense.
They're going, you know what?
We're in it for the long game.
They're like, no one's thought this yet.
No one's.
They're like, we are.
We're not even one step ahead of you.
We're so many steps ahead, you don't know what the next step is.
We're all playing checkers and they are playing chess.
The rear wheel.
Except there's no pieces on the board
and they're just staring at it.
Sorry, I'm just in shock here.
Throwing darts at it.
The rear wheel, you know where it looks like there's a car parked
on the car.
Yeah.
That gap that you can see, which we'll put on the screen,
is you can see the tyre.
Right.
So that's shooting rocks out the back of your car, surely.
And it's bringing a scratch at your paintwork.
Well, they don't care.
But you're a car maker.
Is that a concept or is that a thing?
That's him.
That's it.
That's it.
That's tough.
It reminded me, because I forgot to add it in,
so we need to talk about it very briefly,
that Muck came out with that AMG GT four-door thing.
Oh, yeah.
What's happening, man?
We have praised Mercedes recently by saying
some of their more modern stuff is better than BMW.
And they've had a couple of it all,
like what's going on here.
But that thing, it's not an actual AMG GT, it's the four-door,
which was never that great looking.
No.
But it always looked quite aggressive.
It's horrible.
It's completely different to everything else.
Again, that makes me think that they're doing it just to go,
yeah, but look how good the old stuff is.
It's like it's someone stabbing you
and then giving you something sweet afterwards and going,
no, it's not.
I didn't do anything bad.
It's they give you something really horrible
so that when they give you the next thing, they go,
you go, that's not that bad, this one,
because you've just seen something absolutely heinous beforehand.
It makes me look at the G80, what do you call it?
What's the big, how do I forget?
It's G80, yeah, G80 M3.
It makes me look at those and go, you're not,
you're bad, but you're not that bad.
At least you're not Merck at this point.
It's tough.
But just Merck had something relatively good going.
And now I saw that, I could barely believe it.
That's crazy.
But I saw the rear, because that reminded me of that rear,
where it was sort of like that weird dark panel
with the round lights in it.
And I thought, that's not a Merck.
Do you know, again, when I see it, it makes me think about,
you know, that Hyundai Genesis thing, that wagon,
man, feel free to take over from here, Hyundai.
If enough companies do that, if enough Hyundai's, KIA's,
things come out with actually just not subtle, but the word,
the word would be understated by angry designs.
Like we've been enjoying for the last 20, 30 years,
they could capitalise quite largely on enthusiasts
and performance car buyers.
Just over designing everything.
Why Joe?
Man, they just keep adding stuff.
And just logos.
Yeah.
Logo, logo, logo.
Everywhere.
Light.
Light, make that light up.
Now I had three more lights.
Make another light.
Make it green.
Make it, make more lights.
Make the badge light up.
Yeah, so I think it was.
Going back to the old cars, we mentioned a few weeks ago,
I think at this stage, that there was the original 5-litre
manual Gallardo press car was coming up for auction.
I completely forgot, but the date would have,
by the time this comes out, we would have been a long time ago.
Now the estimate was 150,000 to 180,000 euro?
170,000 to 225,000 euros.
And this was like, it's a 40,000 mile car, I want to say.
My beclanters can't remember.
So, but like, it's not like a super low mile car.
It's more about the fact that it was the press car.
It's the one that Clarkson drove on Top Gear.
It's the one that everyone kind of drove.
It's really cool.
Italian, it would have been originally Italian registered.
It's sold for 140,000 pounds.
So that is near their estimate.
Like low estimate.
Yeah, but I mean, just the prices of those Gallardo's are just flying.
Yeah.
Like not long ago, they were 50,000 pound cars,
and people were struggling to get rid of them
because it was like, why the hell do you want one of those?
And it feels like recently, they just had that like,
this resurgence where everyone goes,
no, that's the Lamborghini that saved Lamborghini.
And I'm not saying nothing, but no one was saying shit before.
And I bought one and then everyone's like,
not because I bought one, I'm not saying that,
but it just happened to be that right timing.
And it's worked out perfectly because of what's behind.
But yeah, it's just weird that they go in those cycles
where no one cared about it.
It was, you couldn't give them away for some like manual cars.
You'd be like, I can't even sell this.
No one wants this.
They want a hurricane.
They want this.
And now everyone just desperate to buy one.
It feels like what we said with Johnny Smith.
2000s is now, it's the coming up to the mid to late 2000s
is the place to be for investing on cars.
People want to buy the cars they bought in games.
Maybe it's the cars you grew up with.
It's the cars you've gamed with along the way.
And then they'll put you into horrific debt.
So long.
I want the Ferrari from Simpson's Hay and Rump.
Who can make me one?
I want the rocket car.
That are you crazy?
Bad handling though.
From him.
Everyone knows that handling was terrible.
And if you crash it, it's going to blow up.
Ben, Simpson's Hay and Rump, you have a wasted childhood.
Bart's rocket car was one of the most disappointing things.
Because it looked like a rocket, like a NASA rocket,
like a spacecraft, we even call it.
And it didn't drive like it.
No, no.
Well, you think, and you know how those drive.
Well, I just think if you transferred that into a car,
it should be really good.
Yeah.
It's a great.
But it wasn't.
Yeah.
And it wasn't.
It was bad.
Yeah.
It's just not good at all.
But hit and run.
What game?
Great.
Speaking of games.
It's falls on the horizon.
It is falls on the horizon.
Again, it would have been out for some time.
Now, I will make it an admission.
I did not have an Xbox.
And I went out and bought an Xbox to play this game.
And mainly because it has a Honda B to it.
It has a Honda B and you can put a Mugen kit on it.
So you can make it look exactly like my car.
So I was happy.
But I was quite pleasantly surprised by this game.
It's been out for a little while.
We didn't get invited to any of the promo stuff.
I'm a little bit salty about that.
I'm not saying we deserve to be there.
I think we do.
But we like car games, man.
It's usually the only reason.
This is how showbiz we've got.
The only reason the car game is not here is because
there's a Lamborghini Mercilago behind us.
But we like car games.
I was hoping...
I want Mercilago and Tuscan to be scanned into the game.
And I want it now.
Also, you've got those models.
All you've got to do is bring ours in
so you can get the colors and all the little details.
You can just have it.
That would be cool.
But I've been quite impressed by it.
The game, the map, if you are...
I know a lot of you aren't gamers,
so we won't spend too long on it.
But if you are and you've been considering,
you have an Xbox, I actually think it's worth a try.
There are lots of downfalls.
The car list is basically the same as every other Forza Horizon
you have ever played.
A load of the car list is still the same from Motorsport 2.
Like there's a lot of eh in there.
But the map is incredibly good.
They've done a very good job with that.
I've probably put 20 hours into this game
and I still don't think I've driven every road.
I'm at like 200 apps, 600.
He's a big boy.
And they've added some that it's just like...
They don't freshen up the car list enough.
It's quite a down mark to say the worst part about it
is the car list on a car game.
But the mods as well, Delta,
you still can't move the rear wing on a Delta.
That's basic car person stuff.
All you need to do is get someone,
some nerd like us, not necessarily even us,
to come in for a day, sit down and go,
yeah, on a Delta, you're going to want the rear wing
to be able to move, just be able to have that at different notches.
On, I can't remember what it was,
there was something else that I drove that was like,
there's a basic mark that's been missed here
on not having this modification.
Like even E46M3 having CSL body parts.
Stuff that people do to cars should be in there.
Like Need for Speed 2015, that's now a 11 year old game.
And it kind of blows it out the water
in terms of getting car culture.
And there's just a few that they've updated some models.
So like the way most of those games work
is they will scan some new cars when they make a new game.
And you will see that, that those cars look incredible.
But they often take other models from other games
and they only sort of slightly improve them.
Some of them they have improved,
I think like the S13 or 14, I can't remember,
S15 I think is one of them.
But the E46M3 is in there.
Like one of the best, it still has the wrong wheels.
So like, it has the wrong,
they've just someone has taken the front
and put them on the back.
It's quite an obvious design difference.
That's my other big issue.
Again, I don't want it to sound like we're shitting on this
because we, it is actually quite good.
Also in far as to all the events.
They have, they have something has gone wrong with the wheels.
As a wheel boy, every wheel that used to be correct
and not many of them were correct are now convex.
They have weird like spokes that move in.
And it means that now most of the wheels that I used to choose
are not usable.
They do have a decent T37 now though.
They've got, they used to be just a flat T37.
Yeah, there is.
But even then that's not correct.
But that's the big thing.
That's just me because I'm obsessed with wheels.
Most people go, that's fine.
Just like exhaust, modification, just stuff like that.
I mean, also I was deeply upset because you can,
you can customize your garage,
which is actually one of the best things
because it's a bit like Test Drive or,
or Project Gotham Racing back in the day
where you could, you can lay your cars out and go,
look, look at my cars instead of going out
and, and, and doing real world things.
I'm going to look at my collection of cars.
I was like, this is amazing.
And I've spent many hours removing rocks from my,
from my yard.
We got the car game.
And I finally got to the point where I could get an SV,
Mercy Largo.
Nice.
And I got in it.
And it sounds like shit.
Yeah, completely.
And they've had almost the perfect Mercy Largo noise
for so many years.
Even more so back in like,
Orza 4 and even some of the early Horizon games.
Perfect.
Down to the last detail.
Perfect.
Mercy Largo noise.
And it's now just completely generic V12 noise.
Yeah.
And also there's a,
there's a noise of like the,
if you have like vents or a wing that goes up
or something like that,
it's the loud, have you heard that?
No.
It just goes,
but it's constant.
So if you're in a car that,
where it goes up and down all the time,
it's constant noise in an event or it's awful.
I think you can change your setting,
but it's just done.
But as far as Horizon games go,
I'll definitely try out if I was you.
I think it's the best one for a long time.
I was going to say for me,
it's the best one since two, I think.
Just two in general.
Just two.
Just two.
No, since Horizon 2, I think it's the best one.
I haven't played it.
I really want to play it, but I...
We should have a little...
Ben, come over to my house.
Oh, cool, man.
I went to PlayStation.
We should have a little Cream Cruise.
I went with PlayStation 1, which is later this year apparently,
but I haven't gone to Xbox.
Can we play?
Can we play if that's the, if that works?
We can play.
We played Warzone 2 a couple of times, didn't we?
Yeah, let's go.
Couple wins.
Love it.
Yeah, we'd have a couple wins to see what's coming up.
If we can make a club, we might make a Creamers Club.
The Creamers Club.
Because can you do car meets?
Is that a thing?
Yeah, we'll have a little Cream car meet.
Meanwhile, before the real one,
which we have been promising you for a very long time,
we'll have an animated game one instead.
Most of the Creamers listening to this.
What's going on?
Okay, we're back.
We're back in the room.
Edwin, you have said here that the GMA spec we talked about has been...
Yes, we talked a few weeks ago about a GMA T50
that you'd find on the Page Worst spec.
It was Ikea type beat blue with yellow.
And I said, I reckon it's not real.
I think someone's having some Photoshop-based japery with us.
And unfortunately, I got a message.
I will leave him anonymous.
He said, I work for GMA.
I can confirm that.
Gordon has finally messaged.
Gordon's back.
He's finally reached out.
Gordon slid in my DMs and said,
Yo, just so you know.
No, he said, I work for GMA and I can unfortunately let you know
that car is 100% real.
Wow, crazy.
And is spec that exact way.
Ikea.
So shout out to the creamers listening from GMA.
Where's Gordon though?
Some of the places we've seen creamers working, it's beggars belief.
Why you have like well-to-do jobs.
We've got...
You're knowledgeable people and you have choice.
You don't have to listen to many other podcasts.
There's so many things you could do instead of listening to this draft,
but you seem to enjoy it.
Maybe they pity us.
Yeah, I think that makes sense.
It's sort of like going and seeing apes at the zoo.
He's picking his bum.
Ben does do that quite often to be fair.
Right.
Sometimes we help.
Just wanted to go through this.
This is something Top Gear released just on the website,
not like new TV or anything,
saying that this is the top 50 cars of the 2010s.
I'm not going to go through the full 50.
Okay, okay.
But we'll speak about some, but I wanted to go through the top 10.
Because I thought 2010s in my head.
I'm like, oh, there's not many.
But 2010 is actually a peak automobile.
This is 2000s to 2010s or 2010 dollars?
2010 to 2020, I guess.
Okay, okay, okay.
Now, what do you expect to be in there?
Okay, we've got.
We've got a Vented All has to be in there.
A Vented All isn't it?
A Vented All, I believe, I just saw it.
It is number 23.
P1 and 918 and LaFerrari, got to be near the top.
P1 is number five.
Very good.
Good to hear.
LaFerrari, number four.
Oh, I don't like that.
918, number six.
Fine with...
Would you want me to go with the top 10?
P1 has to be, yeah, sure.
So starting from 10.
Is it now, hold on, let me ask this.
Is it going to be very diplomatic where there are normal cars in there?
Where it's like...
This is very important.
Some of them...
The Golf Mark 7.
The Fiesta Mark 6.
So Frith...
Okay, okay, okay.
The Fiesta Mark 7 ST is in there at number 13.
GT86 at number 14.
So let's get the top 10 then.
So the top 10.
Number 10 is the 675 LT.
Okay, I think that's not about a shout.
Let me have a...
What I think is a...
Yeah, it's 997.
911 GT3 RS 4L at number 9.
Okay.
This one, not sure.
Okay.
Number 8 and I8.
Now, now, now, hold on.
Now, hold on.
Now, I'm not saying I agree, but for what it is...
Remember, carbon...
I did a load of research in this for this series we have coming up.
Coming up, coming on another channel.
You'll find out about that soon.
On an I8, they are incredibly special.
Full carbon tub.
They were BMW's like halo car.
I get it, but in terms of...
It's not that special.
I guess from like an impressive point of view,
their point of view is saying that most hybrids or electric cars are incredibly heavy,
whereas when that came out, it wasn't.
It was still a relatively lightweight sports car.
It's got doors that go up.
It does look...
I'm not that keen on the way they look,
but they have aged incredibly well.
That cost 12 years old.
But better than a 675LT.
I'm not sure about that.
It is a bit odd, and they did tank in value.
I don't know.
Maybe they were popular.
I have seen a lot of them.
From when I did...
I think it was 2000, came to the UK.
Okay.
I think it was something like that.
So then, if it's like the 4C, there'll be another 25,000 somewhere else.
A110 and number seven.
I actually think that's kind of fair.
That's fair.
I think this seemed to be quite popular.
Also, remember that's basically...
Well, that was their first car back.
There are lots of A110s around.
I see A110s pretty often.
Also, Alpine coming back felt like the sort of thing
where no one would buy it and they would die.
Yeah, like Lotus spec.
I see far more Alpenes than I see Exeges, Lotus, that sort of stuff.
I think that's fair.
Then from number six, 918.
Yeah.
Number five, P1.
Number four, LaFerrari.
Not happy with the LaFerrari.
I would move the P1 and the LaFerrari around.
Number three.
Number three, hold on, on.
Number three, this one.
Just think about it.
All right, 29 to 8.
It was a sure and I'll be sad.
It's good.
No, I think...
No, don't be so obvious.
That was so silly.
I think it's got to be the Land Rover Defender in there.
Defender's in there.
It's not number three.
Oh, shut up.
It's not number...
It's not in the top 10.
Oh, sorry.
It's on the list.
I thought you meant it was going to be top three.
I was like, nah, get out of here.
It's on the list, but it's not in the top 10.
Oh, that's a good shot.
It is.
It's a Volkswagen.
Is it?
It's not on ID.
Is it a Lupo?
It's a Golf GTI Mark VII.
I said it.
I wouldn't have been there, but it's fair to be on the list,
but not there.
What does it say about it?
It just says it's a Golf GTI.
So basically, it's a Golf GTI, everyone.
I get it.
I get it from a point of view, but like the top...
I guess it depends on the way on your outlook on...
No.
Also, I'm going to say it.
I don't think GTI is important as it used to be.
No.
A Golf GTI used to be to put the Instagram pan side.
It's the last bastion of heart hatches.
It's the default for a reason.
But nowadays, there's a load of other options,
and the GTI feels a bit stale, if that makes sense.
Also, there's the R.
There's bigger, better versions now.
Whereas GTI always used to be like,
this is just a gold standard of a good car.
I don't know that there is important.
But I guess they're just saying...
They have sold.
There is nothing it's bad at.
It does everything.
True.
This is true.
Fast cars, practical.
It does all these things.
But I just feel like being in the top...
It could have been in the top 50.
Yeah.
That's what this list is.
And I would have been pleased if you put them at number 12.
I'd go, you know what?
Totally fair enough.
But my...
Three.
So number two has got to be GT...
Above a LaFerrari.
Got to be GTD.
I guess they can't go full supercars in the top 10,
otherwise you look like you're just being a bit of a child.
But that's what cars are about, being a child.
Number two, Alexis LFA.
Oh, yeah.
Which, for some reason, LFA is in 2010.
I think at 2010 that came out.
Now, hold on.
Now, hold on.
What's number one then?
Number one.
Number one is a supercar.
Okay.
The Hennessy Venom GT.
Venom, as I've mentioned, was number 23.
That's fair.
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A 488 Speciale.
No.
Job then?
458.
You just made up a model, but you almost got it.
Is it 458 Speciale?
I meant to say that.
Okay, that makes sense.
You know what, Ben?
Good stuff.
That seems to be, that is the hottest,
hottest property on the block at the moment.
Everyone seems to be talking about Speciale's and Pista's.
Pista.
That's a very tasty.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
Okay.
So not a Speciale.
No, I meant the 458, but what I got confused between is those two.
Okay, okay.
What's number 50?
Let's see.
What is the Sup, GR Supra?
Oh yeah, okay.
I guess it will be.
Whatever.
Also, if you're doing top 100, there's about 100 cars, right?
Should we be getting to 99?
It's the X-Peng stall.
It's the Denzer.
You just start reading out of Forza Horizon list, basically.
I can't get this.
It's a long list to read out.
What else have we got?
What else is in there that's surprising?
The XC90, number 49.
Interesting.
I guess I know that they're very popular and I see them everywhere and the police use them,
but I didn't think they were as good as old school XC90s.
I think they have a lot of problems.
Creamers will be able to, more informed Creamers will be able to.
And that was, the XC90 was piped to 48th place by the Ford GT.
Okay, gosh.
Which was piped to 47th place by the Porsche McCann.
And the Porsche McCann, I think, is pretty, it's quite popular, but it's just a bit like...
Yeah.
And then the Urus is after that.
So, again, from a point of view of a little bit like a Gallardo, it's like,
this is a, you know, sold in ridiculous numbers, but...
I want to know if, I want to know what the thought process behind this actually is.
Is it a group of people doing like this or is it someone that went,
right, here's a top 10.
I've had a thought about that.
Just hit random ice on the rest.
They'll just go in there.
Number 44.
What's that then?
Benish Hanley.
What is a hundred?
A hundred?
I know it's a top 50.
Oh, sorry.
Okay.
My question starts.
What would you put out?
Should.
We got an I-Pace at 41.
So, you got I-30N at 39.
FF's in there.
50 was what?
50 was a GR Supra.
Oh, wow.
Last of them.
Last of the leaderboard.
The M2 at 35, F-Type at 36, SLS at 37.
Do you know what?
I'm going to say it.
F-Type should be way further up there.
F-Type is the Jaguar being reborn for that era.
Before F-Type, Jags were S-Types, X-Types,
rebodied Mondeo's type beat.
F-Type was the return of, wow, Jag's actually kind of cool.
And then that brought up the status of XJs and things as well.
So, I think F-Type is way more important.
And I'm not even that big on them.
We've got C7 Corvette at 26.
We've got an I-3 at 27.
Quite L-405 at 28.
8-12 Superfast.
Phantom.
Aventador at 23.
Ben, what do you think the least important car of the 2010s is?
That, for me, is going to be the Kia Picanto.
Sure, why not?
It's a car.
Yeah, no.
But this whole list is just cars.
It's not cars.
There's definitely a creamer right now listening to this
and their Kia Picanto.
And you've just really upset them.
Sorry, man.
They just got out of the car.
They've left it.
And you did that.
He's just touched it at the side of the straight.
Said, well, what's the point?
Top gear, has that got their top 50?
Ben's got their worst one.
We'll do it at the end of the year.
If we ever do a cream magazine or an annual of Jorts,
we will put together our top 50 cars.
Just top 50 cars.
No era.
Number one, Model T.
1M at 19.
Going through this list, though, I'm like,
are they at 2010s?
Because I feel like some of them are older than that.
Yeah, they are.
It's just obviously 10 years is 10 years.
Maybe it's not a 10 car.
Sorry.
It's not a...
No, it's 50.
How many cars?
I don't know.
Just carry on.
Well, there we go.
Let us know what you'd rank your car at,
if it's from the 2010s.
That was just to deliver it.
That was deliberate Alan Partridge.
Edwin, you put in here a very honest Facebook seller.
I am in the market for a Mercedes.
Not for me, but for my girlfriend.
She has decided, for some reason,
that she really likes W124s.
That is the E-Class from the late 80s, early 90s, mid 90s.
But she would like a convertible one in a very specific color.
So I'm on the hunt for a Borneight Metallic A124
for the Mercedes nerds listening.
And because of that, I've started looking on Facebook
at Cars for Sale.
And I found the E-Class convertible that is quite okay looking.
It was listed two months ago, so it's been a little while.
Will, I'm going to hand you the conversation I've had with this man.
Please look at the date.
So I sent this at, I think I sent this maybe mid-April.
I sent my message.
Could read my message and then his.
Hi, have you still got this available?
And are you aware of anything that would stop this going through an MOT?
It had been off the road for like two months at this point.
And he's responded at 25 to 5 on the 12th of May.
He said, rust.
That is it.
No capital error on rust, just rust.
He got you.
He just said, look, this is what this guy wants to hear.
He's clearly a buyer that knows what he wants, rust.
Do you think he typed out the full sentence?
And it was the full, like, I mean, honestly, it's a really great car.
It drives well, it goes well, it stops well, it idles perfectly, pulls like a train.
But it's just a couple of bits.
I really want to, if I were you, there's a couple of scabby bits on the art.
Bubbling.
There's a little bit underneath.
It's just surface corrosion, really.
Nothing that shouldn't.
But like, you might want to get it looked at.
Instead, he just deleted it all and went, rust.
Rust.
You know what?
It's actually, it's quite a good sales tactic.
Because if I come back, if I respond, then clearly I'm serious.
I'm willing to look past this.
What's wrong with this one?
Sales.
What's wrong with that car?
Broad knock.
Rust, innit?
Rust.
So do you want it?
What do you mean?
Goes and sees it, finds the rust.
Well, meanwhile, that car is still for sale two months later.
So you say rust?
Wear.
Yes.
Start hitting with deliberately.
Wear.
Why?
When did the rust happen?
Crazy.
But yeah, shout out to you Facebook.
So at least you're honest about it.
Benjamin.
Hi.
You've seen a fake F-150.
Tell me about it.
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
I, when I was away, I saw this car, this mysterious car, which I'll send to you in the chat now.
Thanks so much.
And then we'll put it on the screen.
And it's a fake F-150.
What is the BYD?
But this is a fake, literally a fake F-150.
Here we go.
Ben, you've sent a photo.
What?
No way.
Isn't that?
That's sorry.
That looks like a Rivian.
That's the BYD shark.
That's, that is just an F-150.
That's crazy.
So for audio listeners, I think the modern Ford design that has kind of the sharp
the C clamp design headlights.
And that's what they've BYD have gone.
Oh, that I think I'll have that.
They looked around the room and said, we can just take that, right?
They went, where are we from?
Oh, we're in China.
Oh, we can just nick it.
Do whatever we like.
Yeah, it's been showing us the rear and that is also an F-150.
That's an F-150.
Crazy.
But now surely the biggest market for the F-150 is America.
And surely they're not going to tolerate that.
No.
They're going to go, I don't think you're selling this here.
Also with the big, even with the big BYD across the grill, like the big Ford.
Yeah.
In the grill.
It's just coffee.
I thought it was mental.
Do you know our friends at Ford?
They'll hear about this.
They will hear about this.
And they'll go, there's nothing we can do.
Thanks for sending it.
But honestly, we've told them and they went, we do not care.
We're shipping them.
They looked at it and went, don't see the resemblance at all.
A Ford.
And then they looked at the Ford and went, you've copied our BYD.
You're shocked.
That is our design.
We designed this years ago, despite being two years old or whatever.
Right.
I think with that, we will wrap up the podcast here.
This is the second in a row.
Don't worry.
There's not going to be a third.
You're not going to tune in next week and we're even more tired.
I can't do it.
Ben needs his little nap.
It's also 10pm.
I've got to drive two hours home now.
All right.
Well, we don't tune where you live.
I do actually.
So thank you very much for listening to this episode of the podcast.
You will join us.
We'll be back on schedule next week.
The next week you'll hear us.
It will only have been a few days.
Edwin will be wearing Mickey Mouse is.
I'm going to Disneyland.
No, Disney World.
See you there.
If you're a creamer.
Bye now.
Brackets, I'm already home.
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About this episode
A tire-buying mistake turns into a practical compliance-and-repair detour, with the hosts explaining why wrong sizes can be brutal on a mechanically coupled four-wheel-drive setup. The conversation then bounces between track filming frustrations, VIN checks, and the chaos of UK number plates and V5 paperwork. From there it swings into car-news reactions—Ferrari Luce’s quad motors, Chimera K39 rumors, and EV marketing claims—before ending with Top Gear’s “top 50 cars of the 2010s” debate and a listener W124 rust hunt.
