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Season six, I'm your host Doug Tabard here with my co-host Tyler Sanders and Ethan

Huffnagle, the intranational executive producer and international distributor of content.

You produce for America and you distribute for the rest of the world.

I sure do.

And I'm proud to do it.

Yeah.

Happy to do it.

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I think we can tell him the topic.

The topic is three cars that never should have been made.

Yeah, we're going to need to get this man a piece of paper and a pen.

No, we don't.

Don't say anything.

You're not on mic now.

Just yeah.

The gears are turning.

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I do think that if you, I honestly didn't even follow.

I was just getting ready to come in and save the day.

It was worth it.

Imbibe was such a great word usage.

It is.

I had to get, I had to craft the modifier such that I could use the right form

of the word though.

Long walk for a short drink of water.

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I don't even, goodness.

Oh, I do think that if it is your choice, the show might be better enjoyed lightly

toasted.

Well, like I tell people at weddings, the more that you drink, the better I am at

dancing.

Yeah.

The more you drink, the better this podcast.

The better our jokes are.

Speaking of, what is fueling this podcast, Tyler?

So our technical advisor very kindly brought some delicious brand new whiskey hot off

of the whiskey presses that is a Jack Daniels American whiskey of some kind.

I toasted barrel.

But lightly toasted or heavily toasted, probably.

Single barrel, heritage barrel, Tennessee whiskey.

I do like everybody's a snob like our Jack Daniels, but I like their, their

gentlemen Jack, their limited stuff, their single barrel.

It's quite a smooth.

Yeah.

No, Jack, everything but old number eight is delicious, truthfully.

Old number seven.

I don't know what eight is.

Technical advisor, already correct.

Inflation.

Dang it.

That would have been good.

Nice.

Yeah.

They had six up for seven.

All right.

Now eight.

Oh boy.

Switchcast is a podcast where we know what we're talking about despite evidence

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The automotive podcast.

It's not just car for car people.

The show where we seek to edify, educate and entertain in no particular order.

Is that all of our taglines we've used?

Or is there more?

Yeah.

You just ran through everyone.

I think we've ever had.

Sweet.

Good work.

We love to follow up on things that we've talked about in the past unlike most news outlets.

We're not perfect at it.

We tend to avoid looking at Carvana stock since we were so wrong there.

However, we talked about cars and bids auction debacle.

Last week it's worth listening to the full episode.

It's not necessarily cars and bids fault.

There's two sides to each story so I don't want to cash shade there unintentionally

by that short summary of it.

But it was a discussion on a mistaken bid where somebody bid 36 instead of 26 won the

car.

Didn't mean to win the car as fat fingered.

Well, I was selling a Porsche GT3 RS this past week on Peacar market.

Oh yes.

And it happened live as I'm watching it in the last two minutes of the auction.

What happened?

The exact same scenario is what happened on cars and bids.

Now Peacar market is definitely a much smaller auction platform so they can be personally

interacting with every auction as it ends.

But this was also a different scenario.

The person intended to bid $307,997 and they entered as $907,997.

They just really wanted the car, Doug.

They really wanted the car.

How do you hit a nine instead of a three?

There is no way that those don't you are as far away as you almost could possibly be.

I think that's not a fat finger that's a brain fart because of the like thinking

997, 907 they just had all sorts of Porsche models on the brain.

Thankfully Peacar market was on top of it and within like 30 seconds retracted

the bid.

Life could go on and it didn't impact the auction.

We still ended up selling it for a great number.

I think it was $337 or something like that.

So good result.

But it was crazy after we talked about that to have that happen to you right there.

Wild.

The dumbest comment ever as well.

Some people, some people on auctions within the last three minutes.

So really nothing you can do much except answer like totally lay up questions.

But if you're trying to tank an auction, you might make a comment that is salacious.

Is that the right word?

Anyway, quote, there's something about this car.

I just can't put my finger on it and quote, just like drops that suggestive bomb right

in the chat and somebody's like, what do you know?

And I really, really wanted to just respond, OK, well, if you can't put your finger on

it, then don't put your fingers on the keyboard.

I got it.

As we are participating in our car challenge, our shit or get off the pot challenge, you

know, Dan has been sending me some V8 vanishes and I've been looking at GT3s and stuff.

And so I've been paying more attention to comments and I've been getting more

and more enraged the more I look at them because it's all a bunch of slop of people

seeming self-important, seeming, attempting to seem intelligent, attempting to like spews

something that needs to be heard on what isn't really a social media platform.

It's all garbage.

Like nobody knows anything.

It's so infuriating for stuff like this social media platform.

It's like, why are you after like upvotes or karma?

Or like, what do they call it?

Can you imagine if RM and Meekum did that?

Like, had a screen up there where you could live tweet while you're watching it

and they just put like, if you hashtag them, they would just put up the comment

discussion or like a mic off to the side.

Can you imagine the chaos as people keep drinking like $20 whiskey

sours at all these events just, whew.

Yeah, but with a mic, you'd like make them, they'd have to walk up on stage

and actually get in front of the mic to say it.

That'd be amazing.

But I know it's, I don't understand why everybody is feel so like self important

that they need to say half the stuff they do on an auction if they're not

participating and it's always accounts that have like never bid on anything.

You're not like, you're not actually in the room, leave.

We had, I've had both experiences, but we had, I think an Aston Martin

we sold on Bring a Trailer fairly recently and I went back afterwards

and every single person who asked me a direct question about the car

or suggested something or said, well, this wasn't posted in the photos.

Asked for specific questions, asked specifically for photos of a specific thing.

There's like seven different people.

I was like, OK, I know that I usually joke that people who who

talk the most on auctions never bid, but there's always, you know, some

not a single one of those seven people that ask for photos of specific

things to answer specific questions bid once seriously one.

Mike, but you have to answer because if you don't, they're like,

oh, well, non-engaged sellers, it's going to tank.

What's wrong? He's trying to hide something. Yeah.

I will. I do got to say all of this talking about this, I was pursuing

a car over a couple of days ago and I asked for a bunch of photos

and my god did the sales guy deliver.

I was super impressed.

But so I felt bad telling him, no, I'm not going to buy this car

just because I'd make the sales guy feel bad.

But like he put in so much work to send me everything I asked for.

And then I told him I wasn't going to buy the car.

You told him, no, because and people theorize, right, that all

the reason they didn't bid is because they didn't like the answer

that you posted. So in your case, that was actually true.

Yes. And I told him straight up.

I was like, here's exactly why.

Like otherwise it's cool, but this is the reason why.

And so maybe that helped him feel better.

But I'm I asked some Martin auction.

Pretty much everything was a positive answer.

Like there wasn't anything hiding that people go, oh, that's why

I didn't post the photo.

So just they just didn't bid lame.

One quick follow up as well in terms of the Craig and Lander

situation and deposits and the dealer backing out of a deal

after they've taken a non refundable deposit.

A listener from Portugal informed us that over there,

if a seller violates the terms of a contract and causes the deal

to fall through, it's an automatic penalty.

Essentially, I don't even think they have to go to court

from what he said, that they have to pay double the amount

of the earnest money deposit to the buyer.

So in this case, Craig and Lander would have had to pay me

another thousand dollars on top of my deposit.

I like it in order to get out of the deal.

There's pros and cons to that kind of policy.

But on the surface of it, I like it.

Yeah, I like it.

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I took a trip to Kentucky this week, not to source

bourbon. It was to go to the National Corvette Museum.

Who? Well, not the museum.

It was the NCM Motorsports Park to race the 24 hours

of lemons, which you would think is a 24 hour race.

It's not. It's a 15 to 16 hour race.

So that sounds very interesting, Doug. Yes.

We're on video. Yes.

What's going on with your forehead?

Oh, the Band-Aid. Yeah.

Don't don't we like make enough money to have

a makeup artist around here?

It's like in the center of your forehead.

We don't have a makeup artist in our budget.

I did have a racing injury.

Oh, big crash. Dramatic.

No. OK. No, actually, it was

my balaclava was like rubbing against my forehead like a dessert.

No, that's the baklava.

Gotcha. OK. And I don't know.

I had like an allergic reaction or something.

So it's it's a large red bump with

so you don't just want to like take the Band-Aid off and have it be like,

yeah, I'm a real man, battle scars.

I went racing, testosterone.

Now it looks kind of gross.

Anyway, continue. So lemons.

Many people think I bang my head, but that's another

intelligence thing.

So the question came up and I've been a little bit bitter about this,

maybe is is it still possible for people to go racing on a budget

or has money ruined everything?

Right. Can can has money infiltrated

even the cheapest wheel to wheel race series that I'm aware of in America?

I mean, there's, you know, SCCA time trials and all sorts of other

ways to go do solo laps.

But to get the full on racing experience,

is it still possible on a budget?

Well, sure, it's possible.

Is it possible to be competitive and to win on a budget?

Because I'm competitive and I like to win.

Did you all win? No. Oh.

Uh, we were very much outclassed and I went into this going.

We can't win anymore.

We can't win in class A. We won in class B 10 years ago.

The cars have gotten better.

The cars have gotten faster.

People are spending crazy money on their cars.

Like lemons isn't lemons anymore.

There's no cheap racing.

Champ car used to be chump car, which was a cheap race series.

Now it's like actual real serious racing.

So what do people do if they're not made of money?

And like, I think I do quite well.

Doing quite well and going racing is

you have to do very, very, very well to race on a regular basis.

They always say how to make a small fortune in racing

is start with a very large one. Yeah. Right.

Which is kind of depressing because I would love to go racing.

And now I've never really thought about doing lemons myself,

but it always seemed like maybe I could get together with some boys,

have a car, have a team, go like go have a good time.

But I've noticed a lot more that there are a lot more people

with a lot more money participate.

Like, isn't there a limit on how much you should spend on a car?

It used to be five hundred dollars and they would audit your receipts.

And if they thought you spent more or could prove that you spent more,

they would crush your car.

Now, that's a bad policy now because you can buy a five hundred dollar car

and some people still do.

And you spend five to ten thousand dollars on the required safety stuff

because cages are very expensive now.

Fabricators are like two hundred dollars an hour unless, you know, OK, fine.

Built not bought. All right, you don't know how to weld.

You're not a real car guy.

I don't want a cage that I welded to be responsible for my life.

I just know true.

You know, fire suppression systems required.

Fuel cell, I think is required now.

It harnesses everything goes out of date.

Race seat, helmets, hans, fire suits, the whole thing.

So you have a lot of money wrapped up into a five hundred dollar car

just to go racing and in lemons, they have three classes, class C, B and A.

And C is the slowest, B is middle, A is the fastest.

So C is still like pure lemons.

It's bad cars.

There was a pretty much bone stock

W to 10 E class station wagon

that looked like they just put a cage in it.

It all had windows, like normal street tires.

They just it was like they put a cage in it and drove it in off the street.

And it was it had the F one safety car livery.

Oh, that's so good.

Arguably, the cage on a wagon do like the whole bit.

Or does it go all the way back?

No, it's really heavy.

They were fairly fast and classy, but.

And also, I wanted to preface this, I was thinking about

should have brought the book down.

But Brock Yates wrote a real book called Sunday Driver

about his experience racing in a real series.

Lemons in which I raced as a satirical event

somewhat, and I'm arguably a satirical version of a journalist.

So this whole commentary fits perfectly.

So I went into this whining about being in class A.

We haven't run in four years.

There's a Corvette C five with a Maverick body on it.

There's a lot of BMW E 30s, E 36s.

There are a ton of Miata, some of them with full arrow.

There's a bunch of cars that are champ car race cars

that are just racing in lemons as well.

So what do you guys run?

So we have 87 BMW E 30, 2.5 liter inline six.

The drivetrain is stock.

It's got 250,000 miles.

The only real modification is suspension.

OK.

Coil spring shocks, camber plates, but that's it.

So we're not fast.

We are absolutely not fast.

We were five to eight seconds a lap off the fastest cars in our class,

five to eight seconds, maybe 10 off of like the fastest one.

There's thinking about a C five Corvette compared to that BMW.

The performance, there's a gulf between those two cars.

There's a gulf and they were just blowing by us on the straight, some of them.

So and NCM Motorsports Park is a horsepower friendly track.

It's very technical, but there's three pretty long straights.

So I went into this whining about being in class A.

I did go as full on Hank Corvette Carmudgeon because it was an NCM.

And I tried to use Hank as the negotiator to get us in class B.

So why were you like in class A?

Is it because of your previous successes?

Yes, because we won class B.

They also judge based on reliability, fuel efficiency,

your likelihood to stay out there the whole time, which is partly

based on your team and your experience, partly based on the car itself,

your speed and just however they're feeling.

Because there is another almost identical E30 that got class B

with two laps penalty.

We got class A with zero laps.

So I was pretty upset that we did not get class B.

I'm like, we cannot be competitive in class A.

Like there's a Saturn sky that some professional race shop built.

It's got tube frame, full dry break.

This is for lemons fueling system.

I heard it was like 60,000 plus to build.

Like we lined up in the in the judging thing.

There was a Miata NC with full arrow right behind us.

I'm like, we can't be to Miata.

This is crazy. We are a class B car.

So I was like, whatever, I was a little bit incensed.

But. But I was humbled and reminded that the judges and lemons

know what the heck they're doing because they do this every stink and week.

And even though we hadn't raced in four years, they had notes on our team

and they know that we're a good team.

We stay out of black flags and our car is not super cheaty.

So it also is not likely to break because all these cheaty heavily built cars

do break a lot. Oh, the top three overall running cars in the race going into.

So there's there's two main stints.

There's Saturday, eight hours, Sunday, eight hours.

You can work on your cars in between whatever.

But that's what you run because they don't run through the night.

And.

The the.

Top three going into Sunday's race by about 2 p.m.

had all taken themselves out.

Catastrophic failures.

So all the winners gone.

Yeah. Yeah.

All the top 10 cars to finish

were class A cars, which is what it should have been.

The judges knew what they were doing.

I was looking at lap times going, man, this is crazy.

There's class C cars and class B cars that are way faster.

Well, time has a way of sorting things out.

Improving that my complaining was not justified.

Yeah, there was a lot of crashes.

There was I had some PTSD.

There was a 74 ish Monte Carlo

that was a number of shades of beige

slash rust and it broke down within just a few laps

of going out on the track.

Catastrophic failure, oil everywhere.

And as I drive by, I see a beige Monte Carlo on a flatbed.

I'm just having flashbacks to ultra beige on cannonball.

Where is ultra beige in a collection in Oklahoma?

Nice. Some other movie cars and cannonball cars.

But anyway, yes, we stayed out there the whole time.

We got two black flags that were whatever kind of BS,

but whatever they didn't delay us very much.

And we finished eighth place overall of 97 cars to start.

All right. But we were 32nd fastest by lap time.

OK, fastest lap, which was mine.

Our fastest lap was 30 second fastest of all the cars out there.

So that for somebody that's competitive like you,

even though you ended up in eighth place overall,

which I think is pretty impressive,

given what all the prep and stuff that I've heard of all these other cars.

And I'm sure it was still fun.

But was it like a fun, competitive thing

because you were just getting your doors blown off the whole time, I'm guessing.

Like, did you feel like you were doing like you were succeeding,

like you were doing well just by outlasting the first hour?

I did not. I was just very frustrated at the fact

that we had zero chance of winning this race.

I don't have to win.

I just want things to be I just want to be in the running.

Yeah. Right. If everything goes right for us

and wrong for everybody else, like I want to have that chance

because in order to win an endurance race like that,

everything does have to go right.

You have to be fast and not make a single mistake

and not have your car blow up.

Right. No black flags, no spins.

Like you pretty much have to run 16 hours of zero mistakes.

You might get one mechanical or one black flag, but that's about it.

So once I saw things start to even out, I was like, OK,

but I think the the more fun thing for me was just being out there

and watching our team after four year hiatus.

Just click our pit stops were good.

They weren't perfect, but we remembered what we were doing.

We had good communication.

We have done this enough that we've prioritized.

And this is a little primer for those of you wanting to get into lemons

because we actually met a team out there that said that

one of my videos had inspired them to get into it.

And I've talked to a few people like that.

So like if you're looking to get into this, one of the

one of the key things is knowing what's important in a 16 hour race.

There's no single pass that is worth it.

Yeah, not one, especially when you're racing against a bunch of people

who should not be on a racetrack.

You don't know.

It's like playing poker with like, you know, dollars.

You can't read what somebody else is, you know, read their tells

because they don't have tells because they don't care.

Yeah, it's only a dollar all in.

Same thing with racers like, oh, well, the rule is if you have their door,

you get the apex, not lemons.

Should be like survival instincts got to kick in and you got to stay out

of everybody's blind spot.

It's like driving on I-95 in Florida.

It's.

Yeah.

So all of us have that philosophy.

So that's how we stayed out of trouble.

We didn't have any spins.

We didn't have any almost spins like we didn't pass under yellow.

We just were out there.

We knew what we were doing.

We got into a rhythm and watching our team pick that rhythm back up

and just chip away slowly, slowly at positions.

We started 40th and just chip down, chip down.

I'm like, this is it.

I don't care if we win.

I was so proud of our team for working together for being consistent

and like proving that out once again, that theory that is not

really a theory that the way to win a race is to stay out on track.

Yeah, because you can get faster.

You can cheat your car up a little more or whatever,

but like we finished eighth.

That's like really high.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Yeah.

So would you say that doing something like lemons is better than?

So I say if somebody wants to like get on track and race, is it better

to take their prized car or to like buy a track day car and go to HPD

and stuff like that, or is it better to get into something like lemons?

Both and neither.

There's a saying it's better.

It's more fun to drive a slow car fast and a fast car slow.

And I would argue that it's more fun than driving a fast car fast

because cars are so fast now that driving a fast car fast is legitimately

scary unless you are pro level.

The first thing I would say if somebody wants to get into it is go

to like eight different driving schools, drive somebody else's car

with an instructor and learn what you don't know, learn how to lose

control of the car, because if you just go out in lemons with no prior

knowledge, yeah, you'll have some fun, but you'll probably wreck and wrecking

is not fun.

Yeah.

So yes, I would get into lemons.

But the first thing is go drive somebody else's car, pay lots of money

to go to a school and then work your way out.

Track days are good.

Track days are not the way to learn how to drive quickly.

Even the HPD instructor days, whatever, because you don't learn

what it's like over the limit.

You only learn how to slowly approach the limit until you learn

what's beyond the limit.

You don't know how to anticipate coming up to that.

Yes.

I think that's why a lot of people wreck at lemons is because

they've never felt a slide.

So when it happens, they go, what do I do?

And then they look exactly at the thing that is coming at them

and that's where they go.

Yeah.

And oh my gosh.

So the second day it rained and it started raining with like 10 laps to go.

And on the checkered flag lap.

Going through a kink in the back straight, four cars collected each other.

And who one of them was number 63.

Amos to RX eight young younger guy was driving.

I don't think it was his fault, but I joked because our car was number 63

and we registered too late.

So we had to change it with tape to eight 68.

So I was like, I'll serve you right for taking our number.

Not really, not really.

I was just glad everybody was OK.

But I'm not sure the rotary would have lasted all the way to the end

of the race, though, like it would have run out of oil or something.

Is an RX eight still a rotary?

Yeah. Oh, OK.

I got really scared when you asked that for a second.

I was like, did I just embarrass myself on the Internet again?

It doesn't sound like one, I guess.

Maybe that's why it could have been a swap.

They swapped in an LS.

Yeah.

The crazy thing was the class C winner beat the class B winner

finished higher overall.

OK, which, again, is not bad.

Classing can't blame the judges for that.

The class C winner was turning laps.

I think they were six seconds a lap faster than our car.

Class C.

Woo. But it's a Subaru Impreza

that has been covered on the Lemons podcast before.

Highly unreliable build.

And so like they're looking at it from the probability of breaking.

So it doesn't matter if it was fast, because like we used to race against this old.

I think it was a Rolls Royce Silver spur or Silver cloud.

They had swapped a Viper V10 into what?

And that thing was ridiculously fast.

But it was in class C.

I mean, this thing would just come flying up behind you.

Be terrifying.

It had giant brakes.

It was going through tires like, you know, every couple of hours,

every gas tank, basically.

I mean, the thing was mental.

And we're all like, how are they Class C?

How are they Class C?

Judges just said, you know, hold my beer, wait for it.

Engine blew up.

They came back the next race.

Engine blew up.

Came back the next race.

Engine blew up.

So the judges knew that they had to stay in Class C until they figured out their crap.

Well, the Rolls did.

They figured out their oil pressure issue, built, you know, bulletproof their car for the track

and then just like dominated everybody, but wasn't because of bad

classing, it was just like, OK, well, they finally figure stuff out.

Now you get penalized, bumped up to the next class.

So this thing looks wild.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

So anyway, it was it was a great time.

Glad to be back in Lemons.

I found my rhythm again, got got faster and I think we'll we'll do

some more races next year.

Thank you. Yeah.

Speaking of Corvette curmudgeon, like I said, Hank was out in full

force at the the NCM race, saw this post online, a man driving a C8 Corvette

through the Chick-fil-A drive through gets misgendered.

Well, the car did anyway.

Oh, the person taking the order listed it as an orange sedan Ferrari.

What? Which what does that even mean?

For Ferrari misspelled, but said.

I listen, I've been saying Corvette C8s look like Ferrari's McLaren's

Lambos, whatever, for ages.

I kind of joke. That's true.

I'm like, hey, check out the McLaren 430.

Yeah. Yeah.

So I thought that was funny, although Hank likely would take it as an insult.

Oh, 100 percent.

Did Hank say any light carmine red C5 Corvette's not an NCM Motorsports

Park dog? Of course not, because it's the only one.

Oh, shoot.

He was parading around his trophy, though, talking about it to anyone that

would listen.

Oh, did you actually bring the trophy you got?

That's amazing. I did.

Well, we went in.

So we went into like we took the BMW in to the BS judging because they have

regular like serious tech, like making sure your car is safe.

Then the BS tech, which is where they look at your car, you know,

decide what class you're in and you bribe them to try to talk them down

and stuff. And so they started like asking about the car.

And I just walked up to my the full Corvette curmudgeon gear out.

And I just walked up to him.

I was like, can I tell you about my rear Corvette?

And it was like put off like.

And so I just kept going on about that.

He said.

The guy said something about.

I can't remember what he said about Corvette's or something.

He said something.

I said, well, you must not know much about cars.

He's like, well, I've only been a mechanic for 15 years.

He's kind of serious.

And I was like, oh, do you work at the GM Stealership?

And he like did double take him.

Then just started laughing because he totally just he wasn't expecting

me to have an answer for everything.

I'm so embodied hang that I just I can just roll with you are one.

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There's been a long standing debate about whether or not states can

legally or should restrict what you put on your vanity plate.

Maine doesn't care.

Right. Free speech and all that.

Well, Maine did say that they were going to revoke highly offensive

one, so or recall them.

And the debate's real, right?

Well, is it is it constitutional free speech or does the government

own the plate and so they can totally restrict what you want to put on it?

I don't know where I stand on that.

I'm not sure if I really care, but a lot of people do.

And there's an article out of Ohio, our home state regarding this.

Ohio has been pretty restrictive with what you can or can't get away

with on your license plates.

So Tyler, what happened in Ohio?

So in Ohio, our home turf, this comes from WFMJ.com, Ohio,

BMV to OK, gay and Muslim vanity plates under court agreement.

Wait, the plates are gay?

No, no, no, the word gay does.

Come on, try to keep up.

OK, according to the court documents, the BMV had previously

approved plates with words like straight, hetero and hetero

while rejecting gay and lesbian.

So the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles has agreed to loosen restrictions

on personalized license plates after a federal court challenge

claimed its policies were unconstitutional.

The agreement outlined in a consent order signed by U.S.

District Judge, Dan Aaron Polster, resolves a lawsuit brought by two Ohio

men, William Saki and Cyrus Madavi.

Both men had their applications for personalized plates rejected by the

BMV. This is the aforementioned gay and Muslim plates.

The BMV conceded in a Zoom hearing that it aired in rejecting the men's

application applications and that they requested plates would now be approved.

Huzzah. Pause, pause.

So this is, of course, leading up to our incredibly popular plate to sample

game where we read off a vanity plate and the other person has to guess

not what it means, but what car it's on.

Yes. How well do we know stereotypes of people that like broadcasting

their stereotypes on their own license plate?

So this is a great opportunity.

Gay, the man is from Lakewood, Ohio, which is a.

Yes, Doug. What I'm just saying, it's a gay demographic.

That's high, high concentration there.

So. All right.

So his plate is in the system.

Oh, what kind of car does

what was his name, not Medavi, William Saki?

What kind of car does William Saki drive with a gay plate on it?

Oh God, I feel like there's no right answer.

Well, there is. It's the car he's driving.

It's a what? Is it a Forester?

No. Is it a like a Jeep Grand Cherokee?

Nope. It's a Honda cord.

Oh, I feel like that's just a normal car.

I know. But you know, people don't need to embody.

Not everybody needs to embody themselves in their cars.

All right. How about lesbian in Ohio?

Well, that one, is that one a Forester?

Nope.

Cross track. Nope.

I'm just going to really lean into the stereotype.

Ford F-150 Platinum.

Oh, Platinum. All right.

Yep. Yep. Stereotypes failed there.

OK. So in Ohio, when you submit a plate to for a vanity plate,

there is a three part standard that your plate must go through.

It can't be offensive, disparaging, or socially insensitive.

The standard was established in a 2001 settlement,

which similarly like this court situation here,

challenge the plate approval process.

So I think, Doug, you've probably you've had to do this

like you have to go tell the person at the BMW what the plate means

when you get it, when you submit your application.

And I think they're a part of that approval process.

Correct. So it's I've never made me

leave them a little bit astray, though.

Well, didn't you? What did you get on?

I got cells, drugs, but I told them it was Slays Dragons,

like a video game, SLZ DRGZ.

But then I got it and everyone is like, Sleazy, Dr. GZ.

No. No. So.

And also, there's so much of this that is leapt up to interpretation

of the because it's humans looking at this.

I don't believe there is any sort of computerized rejection system.

So Ohio has previously approved Axe Hall, but they rejected

or sorry, I was just read it again, Axe Hall with a space,

but they rejected it together.

I mean, I would hope your Axe Hall had a space.

So I did look up as a part of this for

twenty twenty four.

What are like the most popular or what are the plates that they denied?

And there's like a thousand that were denied.

And I didn't look through all of them.

But there are things like I hate Ohio that they denied,

which people need to have a more of a sense of humor.

Someone did the stupid Michigan thing where you put an X instead of the M

and did I hate it for I hate Ohio is in the system.

Is it really a Toyota Camry? What?

Oh, I wonder what News Channel five Cleveland, you have lied to me.

Wait, I wonder what the person.

Oh, it's not a nobody in Michigan has that plate.

Yeah, it's up for grabs if you live in Michigan.

There's somebody who had F 150 FTW

rejected 50 for the win.

Yeah, I have no idea why that was rejected.

There's nothing bad about that.

LMAO AMG was rejected.

I really want to know what that was going to go on.

Gee, I think I can guess.

F in chat.

I don't know if you'll get this joke, Doug,

but it's like F's in the chat is like pay your respects,

like that kind of thing.

So somebody probably thought the F was all right.

Yes, no, LMAO AMG is please guess what it is.

What is this website?

Guess what it is.

It's News Channel five Cleveland.

It's a how about a but a but a it is a is it a Porsche of some kind?

Like a turbo? Nope. Nope.

Is it a bad day? Is it like a four cylinder AMG?

Nope.

A Corvette. No, it's it's bad.

It is a double salvage title.

2014 BMW 335 I what?

I don't understand.

Well, I don't know. We've got a crap ton of mods.

He is not laughing at any AMG's.

Oh, my gosh. So there's a ton.

You can always go Ohio.

Usually there's a I think it's News Channel five Cleveland,

but there's usually a way in Ohio to get all the ones that they rejected that year.

O M W T F Y M got rejected.

Oh, well, yeah.

And I'm so glad that the early Internet is alive and well,

because I haven't heard anybody.

I haven't seen anybody type that in probably 15 years.

This BMW 335 I with LMAOM AMG is like a super M three clone.

Oh, really?

And it definitely ran off the road at some point.

It's gosh. Yeah.

All the body panels, the salvage title pictures are like the the tires

are all muddy and the lower valences are all cracked and stuff.

Did you like probably leave in coffee?

Yes. Yeah, I love it.

I am I am on Epic Vin.

That is our site for getting crazy history about stuff.

Use our affiliate link in the in the show notes for that.

You know, I've got a problem because I saw FTP on here,

which means I'm sure we can all assume what that ends up meaning.

But I thought it meant file transfer protocol.

I was like, why is FTP FTP bad?

Just moving some files around.

If I was a BMW sensor, I'd be like, yeah, you go ahead.

I'm going to issue that plate.

Good luck with that.

Let me know how it works out for you.

There is so much stuff about a bodily appendages on this list.

It's kind of crazy what people think that they can get through like peg leg.

No, it was OK.

Well, anyway, let's go to our plate to sample game,

which is I picked plates from Ohio this week

and we're doing a bonus extra long version of this per popular request,

per per request by popular demand.

I don't know. Anyway, plate to sample is brought to us

both literally and financially by Solon Spine.

If you want to get your spine worked out,

yourself straightened out straightened out.

Yeah, you can you can go there.

See Dr. Hoover and Solon Spine dot com.

Let's see all of my plates, as I said, are from Ohio.

Doug must have gotten all of the Ohio plates

because I think I have one in my list.

I used a bunch last time and I should have saved them.

Yeah. And one of them from all over is from Dr. Hoover.

Yes, that's right.

He sends us some great plates.

G.R. eight, P.L. eight, right?

Oh, boy, all right.

Shut this podcast form.

OK, one of these, I'm going to have to look up

because I did not know the meaning of it, but it's important.

Doug's going to accidentally swear on. No, I was very.

No, no, no. OK, let's start out with Hefe dose.

Hefe dose. Yes.

Is it on like a I don't know if there's a safe guess

for me here, Hefe dose.

I don't know who is it on like a pickup truck,

if that's what you're thinking.

Yeah, boof.

Ah, gosh, really.

Who?

Cadillac Escalade.

No, no, it's on a bright blue Tesla,

like the nice ones, the P90S or whatever it is.

I don't know. Oh, goodness.

It's Hefe number two.

First up for you, Doug, this is an Ohio plate.

I did find a couple from Gary B.

Submitted through switchcast.live era ending.

That's era space and DNG.

Uh, Miata and the Miata.

No, but that would be pretty good.

A sob. No, sob that was made.

You're like getting there. Oh, Pontiac GTO.

No, it is a Lotus Amira.

Oh, okay.

It's like Lotus will probably not be the same company

that made this car today.

Well, the Lotus should have been a Lotus Exige, too,

because that was another era that ended, but...

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah.

The Lotus is just the end of a lot of eras.

Good one. Good one.

Okay, here's one.

This is from Dr. Hoover of Solon Spine.

SSM1LE, smile.

Is it a Camaro 1LE?

You would think.

Well, I did think.

Now I don't because the fingers pointing at me.

It is a Camaro SS, but it's not a 1LE.

What? Oh, God.

That would have been so great as like the double play.

But you can't even get...

I don't even know what the LE pack is.

I can't keep...

No, it's 1LE. That's their track...

Their track version.

Oh, I can only keep so many acronyms.

IMS, RMS, AOI.

Like those are all in my brain,

taking up the valuable space that could be filled by all...

1LE package is an optional performance-focused package

for the Chevrolet Camaro that significantly enhances

its chassis suspension and track capability.

Okay, but it's not a 1LE.

It's a 1SS.

Oh, so disappointing.

I know. I know.

Next up, for you, Doug,

this comes from out of the country.

It's not a U.S. plate.

I don't actually know what kind of what country it's from.

GLD, DGR, Gold Digger.

Oh, yeah.

So what is Gold Digger?

Mercedes.

It is.

Yes.

It is on a G-Wagon.

No.

Much worse than that. C-Class.

Not...

They're not very good at Gold Digger.

It's a CLA 45 AMG.

Is that a real AMG, though?

I don't think it is.

I think that's a four-cylinder.

Well, that's appropriate.

That's appropriate.

It was a good plate.

Ohio plate.

Top me.

So that means they're a bot.

Top me.

That's got to be a Corvette of some kind.

Nope.

A Lamborghini SVG.

Nope.

Top me.

Porsche Panamera 4S.

That doesn't mean anything.

No, it doesn't.

All right, next up for you.

I knew you'd never get it, though.

Yeah, that's like, whoo.

NDY-98.

Needy-98?

NDY-98.

All I can think of is...

Well, my name is Needy-98.

My 98, light car, my red Corvette.

But like, what's the band?

It's 98 degrees and rising or whatever.

Yeah.

No, you got like so close.

And then you like never, you just kind of went off.

NDY stand for color.

I don't.

It's an NDY-98.

It's an NDY-500 PACE car.

It's car 98.

Oh, radar blue.

I got to say, thank you for sending this in.

I love looking at these cars.

I don't miss mine, but I love looking at it.

All right, L.

Well, I'm just going to read this as it should be read.

Hello, Govna.

Jag F-Type.

Yes.

Oh, yeah.

Seriously?

It's an SVR, no less.

That's what I'm talking about.

Burgundran.

OK.

Ohio plate again for me.

Alleged.

I've seen that.

Didn't I use this one?

I don't think you did.

I don't keep track.

So we could duplicate these at some point.

I think I use this one.

I still don't remember what it is.

No, I think it was a Georgia one.

It was a 996 Turbo.

And it was the same plate.

What was alleged on that?

That doesn't matter.

Alleged in Ohio is a little bit more accurate.

It's not the right color, but it's the right car.

Yeah, there it is.

90s Bronco.

It's very modified.

We've got a roll cage.

OK, this one requires a little bit of explanation

that I'm going to pull up to try to explain where to go.

What?

I thought I had it.

I'm just saying my whiskey.

Yeah.

Well, I got to find it again.

So I'll go to a different plate while I find that.

All right.

PTSD.

That's a 9-11 of some kind.

Nope.

No.

Nope.

PTSD.

That would be a weird play on PTSD.

Is it on a?

It would be a bit dark.

Is it on a Hummer?

No, it is.

It is a Vietnam veteran plate, though.

Oh, OK.

That's even darker.

It's on a Mustang GT.

The guy who owns it has a freaking hilarious sense of humor.

He is dark, doesn't begin to describe it.

He and I get along amazingly well

because we just can throw insults and dark humor

at each other left and right.

You know, I thought I was taking a bit of a leap.

I was like, I guess I'm going to go over well.

But I was in the right realm.

He, yeah.

He's very real about it.

And it's, yeah.

Well.

Yep.

OK, your turn.

Next up for you, I really am not

sure if you're going to get this.

But I wanted to try Hedgehog, H-D-G-E Hog.

Hedgehog.

Uh, what's it?

Not Simon the Hedgehog.

Hedgehog.

I don't know.

Honda Fit.

No, but you were like on the, it's not Simon the Hedgehog.

It is Sonic the Hedgehog.

Sonic.

There it is.

Yes.

That was more of a plate for me, but I'm

surprised you got that.

Sonic the Hedgehog.

And it's blue like Sonic.

Ethan is not, that was not impressed to your.

I liked it.

Is it Sonic blue?

I don't know.

So you could put that on a Ford that's Sonic blue

and that'd be a real insight.

I would.

There's like, it's the layers.

I like the layers.

Gosh darn it.

One of mine is an HEIC.

I can't open it on this computer.

OK, all right.

We're going to go back to this one sent to us

by Robert Richardson.

Let's see.

MC5CHNL.

Can you?

OK, hold on.

Let me get a note.

The five is as an S. M?

No, no, no, no.

MCSCHNL.

I have no idea.

Mockschnell is a German phrase that means

hurry up or make it quick.

Is it on a Porsche then of some kind?

It can also refer to a BMW specific tuning

company called Mockschnell.

So it's a BMW.

No, it's a Porsche.

I don't know.

Going home.

Cayennes.

All right, God, these people.

I love how mean I am.

God, this is.

All right, Doug, for you.

Options.

Is this a CXX Porsche?

I have no idea.

Is this stock trader?

Is it a black Mercedes S class?

No, no, no.

You were more correct in the first one.

I just have no idea if it is CXX options.

Corvette.

It's a it is a GT3 RS, a 991.1.

So you couldn't just say you were right.

Yeah, you got it.

You can't be the only mean one, Doug.

But that's not mean.

That's just dishonest.

I had it dishonest.

All right, PRO PLYA, which this could be a prop layer.

It could be it could be propelia,

but I think it's pro player pro player.

So it's like big old Mercedes Benz on some big rams.

No.

Is it like a really is it like a sled?

No, no.

Is it a Lamborghini and McLaren?

It's a medium Mercedes Benz E 350 totally stock.

All right.

Yeah.

Keeping it cool.

Yeah.

McFast.

McLaren?

Yeah.

720S.

It's a 570 something or whatever.

They're all fast.

They're all friggin' twin turbo.

You can make them wicked quick.

OK, next to last one for you.

Two P's.

There was never a car called the pod.

So two P's.

Is it a Porsche Panamera?

Nope.

Ah, yeah.

Yeah, I don't know what the heck is two P's on?

An Audi RSQ5.

What does that?

That's their pod.

These are, these plates are not good.

You people need to do better.

Doesn't mean anything.

All right, Doug, for you, another Ohio plate,

crime with a three instead of an E.

Crown Vic.

No.

Or a Ford police interceptor.

Negative.

Ford Explorer.

It's not a cop car.

Ford Bronco.

Negative.

Nissan Altima.

No.

Dodge Challenger.

Think about crime with a three.

It's an M3.

That's kind of good.

I dig it.

Oh, Ethan is not impressed.

He's not impressed.

I thought you had more than this.

I've got like 10.

I can't open one of them.

This is my last one for you.

My wife saw it.

She did not get a picture of it.

But I knew I had to use EXP1RED.

EXP1.

Expired.

This is on an Altima.

Nope.

Or like a tall Tama.

Nope.

Or the, there was some video where

the people go through like the different kind.

I think you sent it to me that I was trying to think of.

Yeah, the Maltima.

Any of those?

Nope.

Dang it.

What is it?

It's a hearse.

It's a, oh, that's awesome.

That's good.

I have to get you back for that one.

1996.

It comes up in Garfax.

1996 Cadillac Commercial Chassis.

Yeah.

Yep.

All right, last one for you, Doug.

Yellowtail.

That's a terrible wine.

So maybe it's a car with a bad transmission.

No, the transmission's usually pretty good.

A car with a supercharger?

No.

Like a Paxson, an early Paxson.

That's a really bad wine.

It's a very yellow car.

Oh, I thought it was a play on a bad wine.

No, no, it's just a yellow car.

OK, I guess it was overthinking that one.

It's a 996g23.

OK.

If it's in full leather, hit me up.

You like Minnesota play?

Yeah, I did.

That was good.

Keep sending us your plates.

You can send them to Tyler on switchcast.live.

You can send them to me on my Instagram

at DouglassTabbit, I think.

Sounds about right.

You'll find it.

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