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I'm in the car talk. I guess shoes that I hear in 90. P9 North West FM. It's me, Maddie J.

In the studio with Mr. Chad Bell online with Mr. David Prince, Mr. Edward Bunting, Mr. Scotty Do Johnson,

and guest returning. Mr. Jim Barlow, how are you guys? Very well. Thank you.

Good to see all your lovely faces. Was this thing back to last week's episode with Andrew Rigglesworth?

Hopefully you guys went on the show and had a listen. Really, really quality listening.

Getting close back in the 40. Very close. So close. It's less than a month away.

Chad's like getting nervous because he'll time pull it off. Yes, looking forward to Chad's update.

Well, Chad's update is going to become my update real quick. Is that? I don't know.

I want to just talk a little bit louder than that. That's all I'll do. That's fine.

Good to see all your lovely faces. We're going to get into into all the, you know,

the latest with our car updates very shortly tonight's topic will be what are some stupid things car companies have done?

Like, you know, biggest issues that they've put in their cars will come.

We'll come to that a bit later in the show. Jim Barlow is doing our quiz.

He's our local quizmaster for this evening.

But let's crack up with some car updates. Jim Barlow, how are you, my friend?

All the better for being run again. How are you? Very good. My good to see happy holidays to us, to us people in the education system.

100%. Yeah. Yeah. And bunting's giving us giving us a one thing. It's a lute about that.

You're welcome to swap with us at any time.

I will. Yeah.

Yeah. How's things, Jim? Updates with you.

Well, since last been on there has been a few updates with me. So a few weeks ago now I was going to my youngest brothers formal.

That would find and then on the way home my car started to overheat.

Thanks. I pulled into a service station had to end up having a towed back to Phillip Islands.

So we got home in about five a.m. I think.

And that turned out to be a split heater hose, which has been replaced.

And I've now had two other hoses replaced as well as the precaution, but there's a few more that are coming.

Because they're not really available at the moment.

Yeah. So I can't say the car has had no breakdowns anymore. It's had one. But yeah.

Is this Marcellino? Yes.

Didn't that have another breakdown recently where it needed a whole new engine or something?

That wasn't recently. It did have a new engine, but that was I think three years ago now.

Okay. Well, I think that was elective almost wasn't it?

I don't think the car had stopped failed to proceed.

Oh, no, it hadn't failed to proceed yet. No.

It's surgery. Yes, elective surgery. Yes, handling it's in a raw voice.

Yes.

But other than that, that's about all I can report on on there.

Actually, when I think two is I did have it.

I think since I've been on the head service twice, I think apart from the hoses.

And one of them was at a Honda dealer because they have a promotion to give a car away.

So I'm trying. However, incidentally, they did a.

For a while, the accelerated pedal has been quite sticky.

I've mentioned it to other places and they're like, oh, yes.

So they've just changed the stickiness. I haven't fixed it on this occasion.

They clean that and it's back to normal, which makes it so much easier to drive.

It was rather embarrassing. I think more for them than for me was when I've dropped the car off.

I booked it online. So go up to the office to book it.

I have to drop off the car and they couldn't find any details.

They asked for registration, phone number name couldn't find any details.

And then the person said, oh, we have it here from Subaru, Glenn Waverley.

And then I said, well, it was bought from the 21 years ago.

I'm not really sure why it's on there. And they said, oh, I'll just go check on the computer.

And I thought, but you want a computer like anyway.

You're probably, yeah.

So they went to do for a computer. And then, oh, yes, it's there. It's fine.

But so apart from that very odd exchange, the rest of the experience was quite okay.

Because I said the car was running better now, but yes.

And we're super slowly creeping towards her from the end case.

Not quite there yet, but again, they're very slowly.

What number are you on?

494 now.

Okay. Well, it's pretty nice getting close.

Yeah. But it's not the original engine gym is it.

No, yes. Nevertheless, a worthwhile milestone.

And one final thing I did find on Facebook Marketplace is a civic,

which is exactly the same year, color, spec, transmission,

and was bought from the same dealer as mine.

Oh, how many cases on that one?

66,000.

Oh, how much is that?

Around the respect.

Yeah.

They want five eight without a road worthy.

Sort of half tempting going off of them for eight with as it is off you run.

Yes.

The interesting matching pair for any way.

So those are my updates.

You go to the wedding car business.

Yeah.

You know, it's a cost of living crisis.

People might want civics.

Yeah.

True.

It'd be a responsibility.

Jim, you just be having people in the in the Honda car club.

So how do you look at any two two in the same car?

Yeah, it's all got two or two civics.

100%.

You know, how you do a man updates with you.

All right, updates with me.

There's been a bit because we didn't do updates when Mr Riggle's worth was on.

Did we?

We did not.

That's right.

Then I can go back and mention an extra thing.

So with the R31, I had the side mirror fall off.

And that's because the plastic just gets brittle and gives way.

But I just ended up getting a longer screw.

And it just went straight into the plastic.

And is probably better than it was from factory.

It's not going to go anywhere.

It's very.

Very nice and tight.

So that's all fixed.

That was an easier fix than I thought.

Thought it was just kind of drag out and be painting the ass, but nope.

Then I went and bought a whole bunch of little things.

So like the bonnet rubbers.

I bought the new clip for the bonnet strut to hold it.

So it clips in probably because the one I've got is broken.

And then I got some volume knobs to

for 31.

For the back.

Yeah.

For the back.

For the back center console bit that I think no one really has the original ones.

Yeah.

So what did you find them?

It's a company that I think they're called fusion form.

That's where I got all of the four.

They print quite a few little bits and pieces.

So I got it through them.

And they also do the manual center piece as well.

That's all 3D printed because a lot of them.

I've got the plastic clips of all broken underneath.

So this is all 3D printed and not broken.

So yeah, they got quite a few things not just for skylines, but some other cars as well.

That's why he likes feature really for an R31 to have.

There are not many cars of that era that had separate volume controls for the receipt passengers.

Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen, LTDs.

Oh, really?

Not many.

LTD was top range though.

Mine's just middle range.

For all the shit we give the LTD, you know, it's it had something.

It did.

It had some special things.

So I put those onto the skyline.

That's all good.

I was going to get someone to come and put the timing belt and water pump in.

But I ended up getting someone to repair the blade instead because I don't want to have to pay for two things that would be expensive.

So that means the timing belt would just be pushed back until a later time for the skyline instead.

It was whoever got in first.

And it was the guy contacted me first for the blade.

So that one wins.

So a while ago I did some damage on the side skirt of the blade.

I went to a couple places to get some quotes.

And most of them said, oh, you'll have to replace the whole side skirt.

Even though I told them I can't.

Yeah.

There is not another one of these side skirts.

Like it would have to be so rare for someone to be pulling a blade apart that got the modelist side skirts compared to the factory ones.

Factory ones I can find.

You know, there's a couple of those online and stuff but not the ones that I've got.

So I found this.

This other small business he can come out to you, but I've got to go to him for this for this for this repair.

And he will plastic weld and everything and fix it all up for a pretty darn good price.

Awesome.

Nice.

So I'm going to get that done on Thursday.

So it was just a bit of plastic welding and.

Him paying laying down some primer and all that.

Yeah.

To touch it up and just get it looking nice and fresh again.

I said, look, if you can't get 100%, that's fine.

But because the most piece that kind of broken off is underneath.

So you're not really going to see it.

But just to clean it up and make it look a bit more.

Yeah.

Fresh again is what I want.

And that is it.

I'll just wait a little bit longer for the for the 31 to get that timing belt and water pump done.

Because that's a job I don't want to do.

Have you got the time belt kit and water pump and everything ready to go?

Yeah, I got everything ready to go.

Oh, cool.

Got it all.

It was just over a hundred bucks for the whole kit.

Pretty good.

Yeah.

And that's with the gates, a gates timing belt.

Yeah, that's good.

Not just some no name one.

Then head starts then boost.

Slowly, slowly.

Unless I win Tatslotto, then that's different.

I'll be 26.

Dude, Prince, a few updates since the last time I was on or we had updates.

The N1 has a new head unit.

It's got a Pioneer head unit with Apple CarPlay, which as my good friend Matthew John,

I know says it's like being able to see.

So yeah, that's great.

I've got everything in English and that recognizes who's ringing me instead of just keeping your

hand in number.

It's not trying to find its way out of the docks of Nagoya every time I start it.

Just stuck there.

Yeah.

The port was in the middle of the ocean in the age of pan, but just in the middle of the ocean.

Yeah, just where the maps end for Japan was like.

That's right.

Well, it was funny because when the group to win in 2023 to Japan, we went to Ligo Land in

Nagoya, and one of the best parts of that was we actually drove through the dock area of

Nagoya, and there were just acres and acres and acres and acres of cars waiting to go on ships.

So you could have easily, I can quite understand the poor little car trying to find its way out

of the area would have had it had a connection every time.

Especially when it's not actually able to read where you are.

But anyway, no, that's no longer a problem.

Thanks.

On our way to Ligo Land, in the pouring rain, we saw the egg terraga.

There was a supercharged one.

Yes.

It took a photo for the car.

That's rough, yeah.

Yeah.

That's correct.

They managed to save my sweet little Japanese girl that tells me to remind me to put my ETC

card in every time.

I had to start the engine, which I'm very glad that I still have that because that's just

very clear.

It creates quite the atmosphere every time you start the car.

That's good.

The Coa V6 Magnal Wagon is back from having a whole list of work done to it,

which is mostly preventable.

It drove up fine, drove back from our Gambia and then back to Horsham completely fine.

But now it's come back from Horsham.

Very fine.

And I was up in the Yarra Valley a week or so ago in that car just a real climate

sizing.

It's been a while since I've driven a T.R.

Megna after having one new back in back 30 years ago.

So I've really enjoyed that.

What did you have done?

It had, oh, there's a whole list.

I haven't got the whole list because my, my tech is, it's, you know, I phone somewhere.

It's got, it's head shockers.

It's had a timing belt, it's had a water pump.

It's had, you start a motor, which was just slow.

It sounded like the battery was on the, on the side of the legs when the battery was

completely fine.

So now it starts very burgeonly, which is good.

It's had some sway bar bushes.

It's had some, the stoppers on the top of the front struts.

The strut top bushes.

Yep.

Had those done.

Rocket car, we guess.

It's a surprise, surprise.

And yeah, quite a list of things.

There was also a problem with that car too.

I'm not sure if I've mentioned it, but the clutch pedal seemed a long way off to the

left.

And I just put it down to, oh, probably, okay, well, that must have been how they were.

You know, 99% of those cars were automatic.

I thought, well, maybe the clutch was just a bit of an afterthought.

But the, I'm Andrews and mate at Horsham got into it and said, the clutch pedal's bent.

You see, I don't know, but you have the clutch pedal's bent.

So I've had a new clutch pedal actually.

A manual T-R that the rear car, well, so it's got a new pedal and it's a totally different

car to drive.

But yeah, no, it's, it's, I'm enjoying that.

You say it's a totally new class of car.

I'd say it's totally new class of car.

I'd say please consider.

If you found a better back to better car, would you buy it?

I would buy it.

But it's hard because it is.

Yeah.

And I, I had a mate in Malvin just near Mr. Bunting's house.

Have it for the last few days and he did some lovely paint correction work on it.

I don't think it had been cut and polished for many years.

It's got all its clear coat.

Still thankfully, but it looks up in an hour because it's had a whole lot of little,

little rubs and scuffs and stuff corrected and polished out.

And it's looking pretty fantastic.

I'm just going to paint the bumpers myself.

Being an exec, it's got the lower part of the bumpers of grey plastic rather than body coloured.

But the cars are sort of silvery grey with a sort of reddish tint.

It's called Misty Rose.

So it's pretty similar to the color of the bumpers anyway, but it is different.

And it's like a raw plastic rather than a chico finish plastic.

So I'll get those done.

And I think that's pretty much the last thing now before it heads over to South Australia.

Is it still got a hole in the dash?

It's still got a hole in the dash.

Yes.

Race car spec, no factory air conditioning ever fitted.

So yes, hopefully it's not 35 degrees on the way to Adelaide and back.

Hopefully.

Or it'll be a very uncomfortable trip.

But I'll just have to use all that torque from that three litre V6 engine

and make sure I get there much quicker.

I'll leave all your force in the people in my wake.

What you're going to say is, oh, you know, man, you've got to drive my car.

Just just just just see what it's like.

Yeah, that's right.

I'll take your audition.

What?

From keys to border town.

We put it for fuel.

You just keep going.

And as you said, I mean, make the 40 years coming out.

It's like a freight train down.

There's a few emails going out to participants and waiting whose people

and last minute plans being done actually was over in Adelaide with Andrew and Laura

for a couple of days over the long weekend and met up with a couple of people.

Did some more measuring of how cars are actually going to fit in the space.

Precured another car space, which is fantastic.

Sort of for parking for spectators and the like, we were sort of wondering where they were all going to park.

But now we know.

And actually Friday lunchtime.

It just happened to coincide.

We were invited to Mitsubishi Motors head office, which is just in the Adelaide airport.

Precinct or a lunch with their 45th anniversary in Australia.

So this is this is marks 45 years from when they took over from Chrysler Australia and became Mitsubishi Motors,

the Australian limited.

And that of course ties in quite nicely with the 40th anniversary, the Magna as well.

So two of Andrews cars are already in Adelaide ready for the event and we took one of those in.

It was really nice turning up to that in a pristine TM Elite Magna.

There was a, what else was there 3000 GT.

There was a really cool.

We thought of you boys.

There's a really cool L200 Van yellow one with all the graphics down the side.

Remember the stripey graphics and there was even a sticker like a silhouette of a horse galloping along.

Yes, horse had the horse too.

I remember the horse.

There was a really cool.

The first or the the generation of cult just before they became locally assembled.

So the same shape basically is what we had as an RB cult.

This was probably an RA.

So that was probably 78 I'd say.

There was a sigma couple of magnets.

There was a lovely yellow rally art there.

Sorry.

Fake.

Oh, it was, it was a pro yellow of fake rally art.

It was a fake yellow rally art.

All right.

Fine.

Just saying.

It was a fake.

It was a very good fake though.

There was an IVF.

So that.

Yeah.

So that was the little K-sized electric car that Mitsubishi did release in Australia.

I think they sold more than that more of them than Honda sold in sites.

It's the first genie.

Oh my god.

Wild.

But not many more.

That's a red car.

Yes, that was a K-car in Japan.

You could actually get a 660CC powered one which was called the I-car.

And there was a company in Perth that actually had the the import rings for that car.

And there were quite a few came into Australia.

But mainly over in the west coast.

I don't know that many made it over here.

But the battery to get him in.

Although petrol powered the I-car.

Yes, we're full electric.

Hey, David.

Is there any rules against K-car being electric powered?

No, no.

There are a couple now.

I mean, that was the first one some time ago.

Mitsubishi have always done all since the IME have always done an electric K-van.

There are a few of those in the country too.

But then Nissan bought out one called the Sakura in Japan three years ago.

They shared that with Mitsubishi.

That was a Mitsubishi.

I think it was a EK wagon.

E, I think.

And a hundred of actually got an electric band.

And they've just released an N1 electric in Japan, which sells for around eight in the half thousand Australian dollars when you convert it back.

So, you know, if it is, I mean, and that's where I think there's a whole class of electric car buyer that would actually cop that, you know, rather than 50 or 60 or 70 thousand dollars.

They would at 18 and a half grand.

They'd make a lot more sense.

But also at 18 and a half grand for like a city car that does that.

That's when an electric car makes sense to me.

That's right.

That's exactly right.

It makes total sense.

Um, you know, I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't really like to rag on electric cars in the show, but, but that is the clear cases where that would make total sense.

Yeah.

I don't think that car will come to Australia under his planning on bringing an electric car to Australia.

Um, just to be in that in that space as well.

Seven C to CRB.

And watch himself.

How many, how many do they sell 45?

In size?

Yeah, 40, 40 years.

Um, but the, uh, no, it's actually it'll probably be I'm just guessing, but it'll probably be the car that's been available in the UK for a while.

And in Japan, and also in New Zealand was released something about 12 months ago in New Zealand.

And I can't even give you the order of health, a bit of numb letters and numbers that it actually is called.

I can't even.

Is that the one that's sort of like referred to as the anyone or something like an HRD?

Correct.

It's similar size to an HRD.

Um, and, um, but you're full electric.

Um, but I just, it's just on a mark.

I don't think there's a market for the, and even though it's cheaper than a half, I think people would, you know, not buy the electric or an electric N1 in Australia.

They just, it would be too small for most people.

It would just say, you know, look at the size of it.

We're not having one of those.

But they just don't know how much sense K cars make.

Really?

Yeah, absolutely.

So I think that's me.

I think that's me.

No.

So one last thing good, good news.

Um, the caddy is booked in.

Uh, it started making more gearbox noises in good time because the warranty expires in December.

So it's booked in the dealerships having it all the time.

I'm in Adelaide that make the 40.

So I'm hoping to come back to a sparkly, rattling new transmission.

They don't want to last long today.

Those gearbox rebuilds.

Well, we'll see.

We'll see.

No.

The last one didn't last that long.

Well, they just, they didn't rebuild a per se.

I don't think they just replaced a couple of clutches, but it's developed a new noise now.

When you, when you just take off the brakes, you're on a sliding climb.

You can actually hear it, you know, the sounds that you shouldn't be hearing.

As it sort of tries to creep.

And the lag between engaging driver reverse, if you start the car and select driver reverse,

really quickly, you know, what if you move, want to move in the hurry sort of thing.

Yeah.

No, you've taken a number in your way in a queue.

Just politely waiting for it.

It's not a good getaway car.

Not a great getaway car.

No, no, I would, I would recommend the manual if I was going.

Uh, wanting to get away in a hurry.

That's a shame.

Yeah.

So things crossed.

I'll report that.

Watch this space.

Yeah.

Um, Ed Bunting and Chad, should I go to Chad's update before we get to you, Edward?

Would that be more appropriate for this?

Oh, sure.

So, Chad.

Yeah, well, we'll start with you, Chad.

Sure.

Cause I think Ed's going to give us some information.

Yes.

There is a joint venture going on.

We love it.

It's the one plan all over again.

So since the last episode, um, I ended up pulling the gearbox off the magnet in my garage.

I had to kick the silvery out of the garage to fit the magnet in and it barely fits.

There's like just enough space for me to squeeze down the side and undo the wheel and take,

you know, all the bits off.

Anyway, after about five to six hour struggle, I managed to get the gearbox out.

Um, yeah.

So that is out now.

I ordered a couple of seals for it.

I ordered the, um, rear main seal as well for the engine just because well I'm there.

Yeah.

Why not?

Um, yeah.

So obviously started looking at what it could be, what not.

And I couldn't really figure it out because it had a lot of fluid inside the,

uh, once, once I took the torque converter, I've had a lot of fluid inside of the gearbox.

What would you call the bellhousing?

Yeah.

Inside of the gearbox.

Where it mounts to the surface.

So I spoke to Sebastian.

He said, did you check the converter for cracks?

I had a look and, um, yeah, I couldn't tell any obvious places where it was leaking from.

Um, the, the converter was quite clean.

Uh, you know, it was still full of fluid as well.

So obviously, obviously a good sign that it's holding.

Um, yeah.

So I took it off.

And what I thought it is is the, there's like a rubber seal right at the input shaft.

Yeah, the input shaft seal, which also seals the, um, oil pump as well.

So I'm hoping it's that, um, but I decided with, um, uh, Ed's help.

I, um, gonna have it checked out by mechanic just for a second opinion, just before it all goes back into the car.

So I dropped that gearbox off to Ed on, when was the last Saturday?

Friday, I think.

Right.

Friday.

I think it was like Friday.

Oh, yeah, it was.

No, it was.

It was a holiday.

We did not work that day.

Well, it didn't.

Um, yeah.

So that's with you.

Um, and in the meantime, Matty very kindly ordered the other parts for me.

Uh, couple of front struts, some mounts, um, what else was it?

Brake pads and, uh, rotors, uh, rock a gasket.

Yeah, just, yeah, just a couple of, um, yeah, just a, yeah, uh, rock a gasket.

Just couple of maintenance stuff, really.

And it was, um, you know, how cheap parts are for nothing.

Yeah, it's just like out of any other thing, they're just trying to get rid of them.

Like, yeah, out of any Aussie car.

I ordered parts for Commodore's Falcons, you know, Australian built Toyota's.

This is by far a crap ton cheaper.

Chaper.

I was like, that can't be right.

It was like $13 for a rock a gasket set.

Yeah.

It was like, how is that?

Uh, what?

Yeah.

So yeah, it's, um, now I was obviously quite happy because, uh, means it's less, um, you know,

out of my piggy bank for that car.

Yeah.

Um, I'll, I'll pass it on to you now there.

If you, uh, have any updates on the gearbox?

Well, you can, um, you can crack on and do those other bits and pieces while we, while

we're investigating gearbox.

Yeah.

So obviously I got that on Friday.

I haven't had a chance to do anything with that yet.

But my plan is tomorrow, lunchtime, hopefully, to drop it, um, drop it to one of the mechanics.

If not tomorrow, Thursday, lunchtime.

Um, I'm going to ring a couple.

Well, one already knows about it and said, yeah, yeah, I can have a look.

I spoke to my other mechanic that I frequent often today and described it to him.

And he said it's quite common for those if they're going to leak to leak from the drive shaft

seals.

So where the drive shafts go into the box, um, it can leak out of there.

Um, that was common.

And he said, look, it might not be that, but from what I've seen before when they leaked

that's common.

And I said in that leak transmission fluid, you know, and he said, yes.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, look, I, I'd fiddled around a lot with getting the drive shafts out, especially

the, the passenger side one.

And from where, where I looked at it, you know, initially under the car, I couldn't see any

leaks coming out of that, those of that.

Yeah.

So, I mean, look, if those seals are also, where was it coming from?

Like if you were looking at it from underneath the car, where was it dribbling?

So if you, if you look at the, uh, yeah, like straight under the gearbox, where it mounts

to the engine, um, there's, there's a little bit of an overlap.

So the engine ends like here, right?

And then the gearbox kind of goes like a cup shape.

Yeah.

It's like this.

And there's a little gap with a covered with a plate.

Yeah.

And that was leaking out of there.

Okay.

And that'll be leaking while I had the car in the air.

It was up before I even started touching.

Oh, wow.

So that would lend you to believe it's coming out of the gearbox pump seal or something.

Yeah.

Not the drive shafts.

Yeah, I don't think it's the drive shafts.

And I mean, you've got the gearbox.

And the seals look decent.

They don't look like they're really, you know, had a hard life or anything.

So, um, from what I can tell, but obviously I had qualified mechanic can do a better judgment.

Cool.

Yeah.

Well, um, yeah, we'll get to get it.

I've all delisted and go from there.

We're going to get a time.

We're going to get it done.

Oh, no.

I know.

Yeah.

It's two weeks from Wednesday.

It's from the kick kick.

So, uh, so back down drive from the case.

What's that?

Sorry.

Nothing like a shake down drive of a thousand case.

Yeah.

Slap it together the night before and then just get for a drive.

Yeah.

Yeah, the best kind of shake down.

Um, other car updates.

Well, sticking with the Mitsubishi theme, the wasp has a road worthy now.

So that is getting registered first thing tomorrow morning.

That's amazing, man.

Good start.

Pick that box.

Oh, we got black plates to match.

Look, I, um, have spent so much money on that car that I thought, you know what, Ed?

What, what, what's another couple of hunch for some slim line black.

And then I just thought, no, stop.

Just stop.

So, no, I think it's going to get normal plates, but I might put some Velcro on some vanity plates, you know,

before the show, because it would look a little nicer than the blue and white yucky Victorian things.

That was my thinking.

Um, and I did look online at vanity plates, but even those are quite expensive, like 60 bucks a pair or something.

I'm like, oh, it doesn't, doesn't someone have one that just says barata or Mitsubishi for 30 bucks, you know, seemingly not.

No, not really not.

Um, anyway, so that's the wasp getting registered.

In other Mitsubishi news, I just picked up Dad's car today from having its new shockers.

Matthew for, no, did you source those?

No, you priced them.

No, I got them from Billstein.

So no, Matthew, thank you for not sourcing those.

That's what I got.

Had Billstein shocks put in it rather than the standard ones.

And I was intrigued to see what the standard ones were.

So they just say Mitsubishi on them.

So I reckon they've sourced them from some backyard dumpster.

And they're real bad.

Anyway, Billstein's a firm, but yeah, way better feels like a sports car now.

Oh, nice.

So happy with that.

What other Mitsubishi news do we have?

The old, the new old Pigero, the O2 that I bought.

So I probably haven't talked about that.

I bought an O2 from an auction.

This is a, this is a turbo diesel auto exceed top of the line.

You got your leather, a poultry and your alloy wheels, blah, blah.

Although top of the line exceed back then doesn't really give you much.

Basically, that's it.

Flair their analogs.

I understand it car.

That car, very healthy mechanically, but has a few little foibles.

I think I've told some of you about this.

The list is might be intrigued to hear.

When I picked it up from the set auction house, I was driving at home,

which as we know is always a little, little fun expedition using what's going to go wrong here.

And as I pulled on to the Westgate freeway,

the temp gauge skyrocketed straight up to full, full, full.

And I went, ooh, shiba.

So I pulled off the first exit and popped the bonnet and there's always a sign.

It's always signs that a motor's grossly overheating.

You know, you smell it.

The coolant's bubbling.

There's steam.

You know, it smells hot.

It feels really hot.

This didn't.

You know, and I left it running just to try and investigate further.

And the coolant was fine.

There was nothing about the motor that felt like it was overheating.

And then I remembered my sister has the same car for mode two.

And she was camping once and the temp gauge skyrocketed and it turned out to be a faulty gauge.

And I remembered at the time I did investigate that a bit and I thought,

oh, that's right.

It's common on these to have a faulty gauge.

So I kind of convinced myself that it was that.

And the other thing that was happening was the fuel gauge right next to the temp gauge.

That was also wacky.

You know, it was reading nothing.

Then reading normal that, you know, it was going a bit all over the place.

So when I get, yeah, faulty gauges.

The other thing I was doing was it sounded like there was a parrot stuck under the bonnet.

It was going like that.

But really randomly not not like a squeaky belt that's consistent.

And I thought I've never heard anything like this come from a car in my life.

But as I was looking out of the bonnet, I'm just going to use the overheating.

There's a little canister next to the brake master cylinder just a metal canister.

And that was sort of moving like I wasn't like it was rubbing and squeaking.

It was like the internals were the parrot.

I thought, well, it's something to do with the brake system.

I don't know what it is, but it does have the car has brakes.

It has fluid in the brake system.

I'm not too worried about it not stopping.

So I thought, well, the overheating, I don't think is overheating.

And the parrot, I don't think is any major.

So I decided to keep driving.

And it's been like that ever since it's fine.

It drives totally fine otherwise really.

So when I got home, I did some googling.

The parrot thing is a brake accumulator like it keeps pressure in the brake system.

Like it's got a little diaphragm in it.

And when you Google Pajero parrot noise, it's like, oh yeah, chirping, yeah, it's this.

And you just, you just screw it off and screw it on again.

It's not a hard fix at all.

So I haven't done that yet, but I know what that is.

And the gauges, you Google the gauges, they're like, yep, you pull out the dash cluster.

It's four screws.

You get to this bit on the back.

You resolder the solder joints on number 10 and number 12 resistor.

And then that, that's all it is.

He's weak solders on the fuel gauge and the temp gauge that caused those wacky readings.

So I went, well, I haven't done either of these fixes yet, but I know what they are.

And they're not major.

So that is good.

That's the new old page.

What else do we have?

The CRVs had a wheel alignment.

I'll put some more miles on that on the weekend.

That's driving very well.

That puts you to shame, Jim.

That's at 557 300 now.

I'm assuming on the original motor because I can't imagine anyone bothering to rebuild one.

But who knows.

But that's driving better.

It's had ball joints and some suspension arms.

And, you know, so it's just tighter all round than it, than it was previously.

What are the cars that we got?

I think, oh, the 380 SEL.

I've been doing some work on that.

I pulled out the fuel tank sender unit because the gauge was wacky.

I found one that I actually ordered one from a parts guy, but it took too long to arrive.

It's still coming in the mail.

So I found one at a record just incidentally.

And I pulled that apart, cleaned it with acetone as you do, you know, to get them all nice.

And put that in.

And so that works beautifully.

Put all the back seat back together, which is surprisingly easy.

I thought pulling an S-class back seat out would be hard.

But no, it ain't even I can do it.

And then the latest one is the driver's electric headrest doesn't go up and down.

As it should the motor you can hear working, but it's not connecting to the seat.

There's a plastic part that breaks.

So I pulled off the back of the seat and you can see exactly the plastic bit that's busted.

I reckon a couple of cable ties on that will sort it, you know, just to hold it together.

And so it does it's up and down thing.

So I'm hoping that's an easy fix too.

You know, I've been, I've been quite handy recently, quite handy.

There you go.

That's, that's my car up.

That's what we're eating with you.

So updates with me.

I might have someone that wants to look at that.

Oh yes, yes.

You mentioned you rang me the other day, Matthew.

Yeah.

It's going on loan to Honda Australia very shortly.

But the 30th anniversary of the CRV.

They're wanting to do some press stuff with it.

They're hoping that boosts its appeal to a wide market and the price will skyrocket.

Skyrocket.

Uh-huh.

But yeah, I mean, it's, I've given it a clay bar.

I haven't polished it yet, but that's my next job.

But yeah, so good that car.

Really.

My brother had a drive on the weekend.

He's like, calm this era of car.

Well, this era of Japanese car is just really good.

And the plastics, the way they were screwed together, they just sort of got them right in that era.

So very much like the CRV.

They just worked.

Like they just worked really.

Yeah.

And the other thing about driving that car.

It's so glassy.

Yeah.

It's so easy.

You can see everything.

Yeah.

Every shoulder you can, there's never any fear of anything being in a book.

There's no blind spots, basically.

And it's, we say this all the time, it's old cars versus new cars.

They were glassy.

Yeah.

Whether it's 70s, 80s, 90s or this 2001.

That was, that was something that engineers paid attention to was vision.

Yeah.

Is vision important to them now?

No, it's just got to look swoopy and have a big screen.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

That's swivels in town.

Yeah.

I'm going to change mics.

Change mics.

I think you should because that one is crap.

Hey, does the CRV have the picnic table?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Of course.

It's all original.

My brother got out of it on the weekend and you know, with locked it with the key.

I said, Angus, the remote works perfectly.

It was.

It does.

It's a Honda.

Yeah.

No need to be locking with a key like a heathen.

All right.

Updates with me.

So I've had an interesting weekend.

We don't want to talk about football, but we'll move on.

I'll go to the cats.

Go to the cats.

No.

We'll skip over that.

I even watched it.

I even watched the grand final.

Can you believe that?

I know.

That's impressive for you, Edward.

I was going for the cats too.

No one else in my group was, but I was going for it.

Thank you.

I felt the love, man.

I felt the love.

Yeah.

So yeah.

What have I done?

I've took taking all the cars for a drive except the MR2.

So I took the.

I took the Fiesta for a good drive.

Took the Typhoon to Jolong.

Took the obviously drove the laser bit.

And drove the Camry to go see you at the bunting because that is now on the road and ready

to go.

As you know,

put it back.

So lucky it wasn't the heads.

It was just the tank was just so it was just all the lines were just so full of gunk.

So that's all cleaned up.

Working great.

I'm putting a bit of miles up.

I've put over 800 Ks on it already.

So yeah.

So I've driven it a fair bit.

Drive to.

Well, we drove to the wreckage.

We drove it everywhere.

You know, it was impressive.

You're giving it a shake down your car on a way to a different state.

Pretty much.

Yeah.

I'm going to have to get the idea.

So I had to drive it out.

It's it's dropping well.

I had to go a bit of a starter occasionally.

And that makes sense because what happened yesterday.

I was taking my dog to get his eye checked because he's got conjunctivitis.

Port Thomas.

Anyway, I'll back into the car.

I'm like, it smells like petrol.

Like it smells really.

Like I had a big.

Don't worry, David.

See it's protected.

All.

Excellent.

Cover in the back seat.

I'm like, it smells like fuel.

Like what's going on?

So.

And then it's the fuel.

God, just smell.

I'm like, this is leaking.

I couldn't.

I opened the bottle.

Couldn't see where I was leaking from.

I'm looking underneath the car.

Not leaking now.

Like, when the hell is this leaking from?

So I ducked in a super cheap border.

Border fire extinguisher because I didn't trust myself.

Just in case.

And then I then drove it to a mechanic that I knew on the way.

He's like, poor.

He walked up to the guys.

Like, I get smell for me.

I'm like, yeah, he's like, don't.

I'm like, don't light up your cigarette.

He's like, yeah, better not.

What are the new injectors that I've bought?

He's got a crack in the plastic and his leaking.

Wow.

So it's a faulty injector that I've purchased.

So that makes sense as to why I was running a little bit rough on not occasion.

So I'm like, what's going on?

So I got, I've still got four of my old injectors.

The four that was still good.

So then I was like, well, I need to get them cleaned and.

Because I'm going to use one.

And I'm going to a few years ago with my one two four.

This, this specialist place that had all the special tools.

Got it running really good.

I took it back.

I took him back to them.

And they, I gave him like the whole, you know, it's bloody cars.

And then they remembered me.

And then I was like, well, I need to get him cleaned and.

Because I'm going to use one.

It's bloody cars.

And then they remembered me.

And they're like, this poor sod with another piece of crap.

So they're cleaning in for me.

Testing them, getting them all ready to go.

By Thursday, because it's getting put back in.

It's going to get put in on Monday issue is you have to take the manifold off.

Because it's one.

It's the middle one in the real rear bank.

And I'm like, of course, it is like that just don't just make sense.

Doesn't it?

So that'll get done then.

But I have in the meantime, like before that, I am polish the whole car,

clean the whole car, gave it a wash with Mr. Bunting.

Did you post it after?

I did.

I posted it.

ceramic coated it as well.

Yeah.

Wow.

I mean, it's looking pretty fresh.

Steph came out.

She's like, actually, it looks, it looks good.

Oh, my thank you.

Thank you.

It's faster Steph test.

It's faster Steph test, which is, which is.

So.

Yeah.

So once so now I couldn't take the car to get the thing that the PDR done because I just

didn't want to drive it with the leaking, leaking a bit of petrol.

So I've pushed that back to next week.

But.

It's looking really good like with all ties or blacked and interior cleaned up.

And I tried to do a bit of David Prince on one of the, on a piece of, you know, like a clip.

And by the broke, as soon as I put it back on the car.

So I might have to get David Prince to look at that.

I'm knowing here.

They're the prestige of, of deep prints.

So I'm just a young padawan.

And he is a, he's a Jedi knight.

And I'm, I'm knowing near that, that level.

So.

It's been, it's been great.

It's actually really good to drive.

Aircon's beautiful.

Smooth.

I do want it towards the end of the year.

Transervice done.

Change all the, all the cool and hoses just for summer.

Um, and then you should be happy murdering.

So.

Great.

Um, come a long way from what was happening recently to.

Man, obviously you were ready to, you were ready to throw it away.

I was.

I did.

Do you want to wear the camera?

I was like, I'm done.

Like I was like.

Anyways.

I also did find it.

I was pricing up a new tank.

Rock order 300 bucks delivered.

So.

Wow.

That's pretty, pretty good.

Like you can't clean up for that.

The original one.

So.

You can't even ship it from here to Sydney for that.

I know.

The freight is more expensive.

Ridiculous.

It was.

It was like 170 ish for the, um, for the tank.

No 180 for the tank and 120 to ship it.

Great.

I was like, it's a no brainer.

So I might do that towards the end of the year.

Get that all golden.

Then happy Camry days as we, as we, you know, cruise into the, into the, into the next,

you know, Millennium.

Um, which is probably probably I'll leave us because it's a Camry, but anyway.

Uh, what else have I done with cars?

Uh, I think that's pretty much it's genuine.

Now.

Cars that.

Uh, so now the topic for this evening, which I alluded to at the start of the show was stupid things car companies have done.

Now, as you probably noticing on the road, there are so many ranges that are failing.

Have you guys noticed that?

Of the two litre diesel ranges.

What are they doing?

Um, so they've got a wet tomming belt.

You said meant to be a wet tomming belt.

Correct.

It is meant it's designed to be a wet tomming belt, but, um, obviously under hard loads.

They're, they're putting more strut them.

They're, they're breaking a lot quicker.

Um, so that's anything with the two litre twin turbo.

Um, you know, four cylinder.

What sort of case are they breaking?

Uh, there's all sorts really.

Um, and they're four specifically say you've got to use a specific or which is, um, yep.

Okay.

I get it.

Um, but they should have learned their lesson from the old one leader, you know, EcoBoost that had that same issue.

Um, so they're when they're breaking the shearing teeth and they're just shearing straight off, they're breaking cams.

Um, it's pretty much it's pretty much a full head off, you know, um, or engine replacement at that point.

Cheers.

Um, so, but it's not they're not the only company to be to be, um, uh, accused of this, you know, the PSA group.

I'm looking at you Honda.

I'm looking at you.

Uh, Honda's done it in the UK and in Europe.

They, they've got a wet belt engine.

Um, PSA group.

Let's just, we won't even have to bother to go there, but, um, you know, for a company that should know better.

Um, um, seeing that you're oil in court in, in, in, I'm sorry, a belt in oil is definitely not a good idea.

Despite the fact that they're made for it's in better commas, um, you know, and having ridiculous life.

So for example, um, they're saying I'll 240,000 Ks or 10 years or whatever comes first for certain, like, like oil replacement.

Yeah.

Um, they're just, they're just, they're, they're just never gonna get there.

Um, now Ford is also put this, this, uh, they haven't put a wet, tomming belt, but they've put a wet oil pump belt in a lot of cars, Fiesta.

Um, the new five litre Mustang V8, that's got an oil pump belt, um, in, that's, it's in oil.

Um, and then they're not, they're not under as much strain as a tomming, the tomming belt or a tomming chain, but it's still, you know, it's, uh, it's still a thing.

And for me, it just sounds like it's like, like, it's done for that one percent inverter commas of efficiency, um, to make it more and big smoother and cooler and stuff.

But it's, it's a ridiculous, um, it's actually a ridiculous thing to achieve for one extra percent of efficiency.

So is the, the oiling system for those components? Are they separate to the engine oil?

It's in the engine oil.

Oh, it's within the engine oil.

It's all encased in the engine oil.

Oh, right.

And, yeah, wouldn't that, I mean, wouldn't that frothy oil?

Well, what's happening is, do you like turning it into a cappuccino?

Well, pretty much, well, well, the belts, what, what they're doing is they're just, they're just degrading in the oil.

Why?

Who would have thought, right?

Like, yeah.

Um, they're just degrading, they're chipping away.

And, and if the belt that breaks doesn't, if it doesn't, if the belt doesn't break, if it's not the belt that kills the engine by breaking,

it's the fragments coming off the, off the, off the belt that are getting caught up in the, in the oil pickup causing all, all starvation and that kills the engine.

Yeah, well.

So, I think there's two things that every good car has that we could stick to.

One, a glass headlight.

If you have a glass headlight, you're driving a proper car and two, a timing chain.

Well, no, I don't mind a timing belt as long as it's not in oil.

You know, you change it every 100,000K.

Sure.

Yeah.

You have a proper chain with links and you have a glass headlight.

The, the cards you want to buy.

Right.

It's my advice to the listeners tonight.

I want to add, I want to propose this to you like, I know car companies have to meet stringent.

You know, what they call stringent, you know, emissions targets and Euro 400 and whatever it is.

It doesn't think it's ever going to be anything though.

Like, especially the oil, a wet belt timing belt system, like it doesn't really make sense for it to even be efficiency tasting.

It's more, it's got to be smoothness really.

I mean, is it like, it's just, I think personally, it's a bit of a wank.

It genuinely, it's just like, you know, it's an excuse.

Is it like an engineering marvel or something that their companies try to push onto that car?

They're like, oh, all new, you know, an oil belt system or whatever.

Like, is that they're going to sell.

I mean, it's got to be cost right at the end of the day.

It has to be cost.

Yeah.

Oh, somehow it's cheaper to do that than to put a chain on.

I'm sure it is to put a chain on.

Absolutely.

But even just a dry belt system.

Here's the thing, right?

It's the fact of the matter is, I think it's planned up to lessons.

They're like, and, you know, and they're there.

The iPhone trick.

Yeah, the old iPhone trick, like they're like, oh, well, we're going to say these belts.

For example, in the fiesta for the oil pump belt, 245,000 Ks or 10 years.

Okay.

All right.

So, and it's got a timing chain, but it's got a, it's got an all pump belt, right?

So, and that just drives the all pump.

And yes, it's not on.

There's much strain, but it's still about in oil.

And it can degrade.

Right.

All the heat cycles extra, you know, XYZ.

Now, that's fine if you change it.

And, you know, and people have done over 100,000 Ks in those engines.

And they're totally fine.

Yeah.

No, not an issue at all.

I'm like, it's, it's more or less the, you know, why do they have to, why is it a thing?

Because to change that belt, to change that little oil pump belt, you've got to take off the timing chains.

You've got to take off all, you've got to take off half the engine to get to it.

And then you change it for, you know, you know, $10 about, yeah, really.

The other thing I do on a lot of modern cars is the chains of the back of the motor.

Not on the front.

So, that often involves engine out to get to chain.

And it's often not chain that fails.

It's the plastic tensioners that fail.

And so, yeah, a lot of labor in pulling a motor out to just replace the chain tensioner.

And once it's out, you tend to do the chain, you know, as a matter of course.

But, yeah, that can get real expensive.

For, you know, Volkswagen's BMW is quite a few manufacturers that do that.

And the reason I was told years ago that they did that on say the E65 series is for pedestrian safety

by spinning the motor around the other way.

They could get it lower in the front, so that the styling of the car, you know,

it's more smooth than the nose, which was better for pedestrian safety.

So, you know, you're scooping up the people on the crossing rather than slamming into the people on the crossing.

What was the E65?

The E65 series.

Sorry, the E65 series.

Yeah.

The E65 series was, yeah, like the Chris Bangle shaped five that came out in 2003.

Oh, no, they ran that sort of thing.

Yeah, so that's an example of a car that has the chain at the back of the engine, which is painful.

But again, you know, you go back to my little rule of thumb, plastic headlights, no glass headlight.

It's got a chain, but it's at the wrong end of the engine and it's got a plastic headlight.

That should be a no.

I just don't understand how they can get timing, sorry, bad.

Like, how can some companies look?

And I'm not saying this because it's a it's a good engine.

But like SRs, SR20's got a timing chain.

Yeah.

Barras have got a timing chain.

And they'll do a million kilometers and they won't have the chain touched.

Like, how can some companies not get a chain to last ten, you know, a hundred thousand calories?

Like Anthony, Mr. Territory had a Persia 207 GTI at one point.

And they had the same 1.6 liter as the Mini Cooper.

Mini Cooper.

Yeah.

Tommy chain blew up.

You know, it was stretched at like not even a hundred thousand calories.

Two.

Like held.

What?

Why?

How can...

Are they not durability testing?

It's got to be cost-based again.

Has to be.

That has to be cost-based.

Has to be.

Like using inferior material or source from somewhere.

You know, they're trying to save a few cents a car.

Yeah, it's pretty bad.

Yeah, there's got to be...

There's got to be a cost advantage to it otherwise they wouldn't do them.

That's because they use the plastic guides.

Yeah.

Especially on the Audi 4.2s.

No.

Renowned.

And to get to it, you've got to take the whole engine out because it's at the back.

Yeah.

Like I said, Scott.

Yeah.

Now, do you have a glass headlight?

Stupid.

Oh.

Is it a plastic headlight?

So, I just wanted to say...

I'm bringing that up because there's lots of people complaining about ranges now.

They're just failing.

And they'll be driving and all of a sudden lose all pressure.

And you're done.

The engine's done, essentially.

What are the silly things that the original manufacturer has done?

So, yeah.

I want to put on you guys.

What are some of the silly things many manufacturers have done that haven't really lasted a long time?

I've got another one.

I wanted to say before we continue...

Sorry.

...buttons on steering wheels and stuff.

What's that?

The touch button.

The touch sensitive buttons on like the interfaces of cars.

Oh, like giving an example of a car that's...

Oh, so I can just do it recently with the new Golf.

They put touch sensitive on every...

Oh, so it's not...

Not something you press.

You just touch it and it doesn't hyper works.

Yeah.

Oh, that's terrible.

You know what's even worse?

Gesture.

Oh, terrible.

Terrible.

Yeah.

The ease in the volume goes up and you do the ease in the silly.

You just silly.

Imagine having a fly in the car and trying to swat it.

You know, silly.

Not try Copski going off wide.

You're running a whole symphony next off.

Just...

We're just...

We're blessing as you drive me along, you know.

Like that would be a trick.

Sound of the crosses.

Oh, no.

As you go.

But like...

It's funny because Honda did it and they were completely shitt-canned in the FK series of Civic.

So then they went back to buttons.

And VW was like, that's a great idea.

And then they did it for like the market, which makes...

Like three or four years later and they're like, yeah, let's...

And the thing is, those systems...

And you see it all the time on touch screens, you know.

We're volume or heating controls or those haptic things.

It all gets scuffy, you know.

And light scratches on it and it just looks ordinary.

You know, it really wears the interior, you know, when you have those touch sensitive things.

I've got one that's just come up from just talking about this.

Piano black trim.

David H.

He's covered in Piano black, like shine glossy.

Yeah.

Sure, it looks good when it's clean, but as soon as you want to use...

It's like I've got it on...

I've got it in the head, you know.

Like in the main...

Like center console controls, some of my Piano black and I'm like, what is the point?

You just can never keep the thing clean.

Yeah.

And you're just racking them now.

Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, maybe like a PPF type thing or like just completely...

Yeah, I mean, I kind of understand why people like carbon bits on their cars...

Yeah.

They come with a shit up.

Completely, it's ridiculous.

One of my little gripes is carpets.

Cars used to have nice quality carpets in them, like Mazda's, Honda's, Toyota's, you know.

That you could vacuum, you know, that work that was sort of nice.

You know, you could work with the pile of the carpet for one of a bit of work.

Nowadays, you get sort of filtered cardboard on your floor and then they force you to buy the factory mats

at great expense that have a slightly nicer pile to them.

But under that, it's just this shitty, shitty, horrible, filthy, nothingness.

It's really hard to clean. A lot of stuff sticks to it.

You know, I really enjoy vacuuming an older car that's got a cut pile carpet in it

and disolving to remove that stain and it just, they come up beautifully

and probably better sound deadening and all those things too.

But this, this cheapness to modern car car, I just really hate it.

And no hill mat in the original, in the carpet on the floor?

Yeah, that's right. David is a wonder with, a whiz with hill mats.

And yeah, it just, so they sort of force you to put a mat in it.

And of course, he heals going to go through the, through the carpet or through the mat.

It's part of the carpet, like it's, it's going to wear down, doesn't matter how good it is.

Yeah, you're not hovering above the pedals on the floor.

I think some people are healing.

Some people are driving without touching their hills.

Digging if you've got high heels, that'll dig through it terribly.

Don't tell anybody what I do on the weekends, guys.

This segment should have been called, things that grind my gears.

Yeah.

Things that grind my gear.

What about you, Jim?

Don't get me started new car gripes, I won't stop.

But I think a couple.

One is, I thought that by now, we all should know where a gear lever is.

So having to reinvent where it's placed where it's activated is really irritating.

And I don't see what the benefit is.

Like, you know, we all figured out that while it was an novelty in the 50s,

to have a push button automatic, we kind of moved beyond that.

And now we think it's cool again, don't get it.

But also another one, which is just really trivial.

I do not understand the point of having, look, NSUZ, I can understand.

But I do not understand the point and I will not use an electric boot in a sedan.

If I can't open or close the boot myself, I shouldn't be driving the car frankly.

Yeah, I agree.

Electric boots are annoying.

And you know, like my mum's, Yarra said, OK, beep, beep, beep.

It's like this road work's going on.

I just want to plonker shopping bag in.

And the thing's carrying on like a pork chop.

You know, I would know that with a physical button and like just,

you push the button and then it'll, it'll, it'll, you can do it.

You can hold the button thing or you push the thing on the back with your finger.

And it'll, but it makes this song and dance.

And everyone on the stairs at you.

And the other thing that cars, God, is the, you know, the foot motion bullshit.

You know, it never works ever.

I used to try and demonstrate it to BMW clients and I was like, look,

and I'd preface it.

I'd say, look, this thing is not amazingly accurate.

And you'd be standing and nearly falling over trying to make that stupid sense of work.

It is a complete waste of time.

I can see you're doing the Hockey Pokey.

Oh, yes.

I was just trying to do it.

I ate it.

Yeah.

Like that.

It's just a wank.

Like why is it even needed?

Like if you want.

It's a reason.

Yeah.

It's just silly.

And it to everybody.

Oh, but I got my shopping.

Yeah.

I got my hands full.

I don't know.

I'm buying so many things.

Pull my shop.

Open the food.

Well, I think on that too, which I did actually thoroughly enjoy watching was.

I was parked somewhere and this lady, I think.

I think it was a brand new GLC pulled in.

And to grab the cake, it actually was very impressed with a new purchase.

We're into the post office, got all their parcels put it in the back.

And they've, I proceeded to try and muffled my laughter.

She had to reposition parcels eight times to get the tailgate to close.

I was enjoying it.

It was so good.

But I'll also add to the other gripes I have to are the service intervals are utterly ridiculous.

I think so.

Most of that is just to get cars through the lease period.

Yeah.

Because, you know, most of them should make it past that.

And then, you know, got blessed.

Whoever gets the car, second hand.

I just want to add to that gym.

Land Rover Ranger.

I've got some anonymous for that 25,000 K service intervals.

That's.

No wonder.

The wonder what they're in last.

Second at a warranty.

Yeah.

Not by just that.

It's just absolutely ridiculous.

And also true.

Because people are wanting to cars think.

Oh, well, you know, Miss Haley says, you know.

And if you don't know, you better, you'd sort of go, well, my factory says that's what I should do.

And then also for them, it's, you know, cheaper in the interim.

And you just go.

Okay.

No point in trying it this way, do it.

But yeah.

Drop the maintenance.

Yeah.

Land obsolescence.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah, really.

Oh, you don't even like climate control.

Three times within 100,000 Ks.

Oh, whoops, your engine broke.

Well, I guess you come into ask to get another engine.

So that's shame.

Oh, yeah.

Oh.

I don't even like climate control.

I hate, I hate the car thinking that it knows what I want better than I know what I want.

So I will always manually control air conditioning in every car.

Fan on number one temperature on 16 per chance 17 or something.

You know, like I'll adjust the minutiae of it to where I want.

I never push auto.

So climate control is wasted on me.

You could, you could never give me a car without.

And I wouldn't care.

Thank you.

Thank you for backing that up.

Thank you.

In fact, a friend of ours, Rowan, who's been on this thing, it even works.

It's blaster you.

Rowan calls it climate out of control.

30 is very accurate.

I have to set the temperature and then I press the auto.

And then it will like there's three settings for auto and it's just the fan speed.

Yeah.

But I can still change the temperature.

Yeah.

I don't even know what it's doing.

I don't know.

Yeah, this one too.

It's not doing it.

You figure out and look, different cars have different subtleties to the climate control systems,

or the air conditioning system.

So, you know, for example, 26, 27 in my pyjero is where it starts to heat.

If I just put it on 24, it's still cold air.

So different cars do it differently.

But once you figure out where that switchover point is, you just control it yourself.

Yeah.

And going back to having actual buttons as well as you can do all of this while you're driving

without having to look away from the road.

Yes.

Correct.

Exactly.

The simpler the better.

Here's the thing.

Scotty, you've got your tin form.

Ways.

Always on.

I think they're getting rid of buttons.

Look, look how advanced we are by getting rid of buttons as a cost-cutting measure.

Oh, yeah.

I think it's completely cost-cut.

It will be, yeah.

Well, do you think a button costs less, more than having a tight sensitive?

It does.

You think?

100%.

Yeah.

My friend, my friend, Alex, he's been on this show.

He's bought not that long ago, an M135 hatch BMW.

Now, this thing is, these things are a real sleeper.

They're amazing.

Rear-wheel drive, brilliant chassis.

It's been modded.

It's the three-leaders twin turbo six cylinder in the smallest and lightest car BMW made.

These things absolutely for life.

Here's the one with the M6.

Sorry, David.

You were going to say something.

Oh, no, I just said hammer.

They hammer.

Oh, they hammer.

Here's the one with the M6.

And he said it leaves the M6 for dead.

Now, that's the V10 M6, which is not a slow car.

And I drove it the other night and all mama, this thing moves.

And albeit, here's a slightly tweaked one.

But he was saying that car does not have a temperature gauge for the water, nor the oil.

So you don't know how hot or cold the oil is ever.

And you don't know how hot or cold the water is ever.

It's just got supposedly some lights.

Wow.

For a car that's designed, I mean, it really is an M car.

That's not great.

You know, that grinds my gears.

You really need full instrument, Desian on a car.

It would.

The weekend my brother bought the Forester.

Now, you know, Stefan's.

Yes.

Took it up to to Mount Buller.

And as he was driving up there, being the red light of the overheating light came on.

And he's like, what the hell?

And overheated.

Okay.

There was no gauge.

There was no nothing.

And by that time.

Too late.

Yeah.

So, you know, for me, that's a stupid thing there.

And a lot of manufacturers do that.

And look at a water temp gauge.

I think it should just be mandatory.

But an oil temp gauge on a high performance car.

Like a Golf GTI or a BMW M135.

You know, you.

It's okay to fang in engine, you know, and make it work for a living if the oil's warm.

But water warms up a lot quicker than oil does.

So you've really got to be driving a good 10, 15 minutes for the oil to come up to temper.

All right.

Then if you want to go a bit harder, your engine's being protected by loosens the oil.

But yeah, to not have that, I just think that's.

That's not ideal.

Now, even an oil pressure gauge, you know, you know, at the like, like in my MX5 or my Tarago

even, you know, it's got an oil pressure gauge, you know, with a needle.

And I know when it's hot and I a little come down to this point that which tells you the oil's warmed up.

Yep.

I'm with you like that's another stupid thing car companies.

And they did it for a while.

In like glass headlights.

Timing chance.

Oh sorry, the MX5 is a belt.

It's a belt.

It's got a glass headlight.

One, not the other.

Not the other.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can't win them all, Edward.

No, I know.

Hi companies in like the mid 2000 to like late 20, 20 teens.

A lot of them didn't have an attempt.

A water temp gauge.

It was it was a dumbest thing that like.

But again, car companies are sheep cost cutting.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, that's the thing that they put the gauging is deeper than the bring a gauging.

You know, it's saving $0.30 per car.

It's something a million cars in in gear.

You know, it's it adds up, so.

It's not new though.

I mean, it's always been the case.

I'm not sure if I've mentioned in the podcast I was talking about Trimmer mate not long ago who worked at Toyota for 40 years.

And he said he can remember.

People from head office in Japan coming out and making them.

him, he worked in the trim department and he would make all the seed covers half an inch

smaller and they were going, that's ridiculous, but that saved them kilometers and kilometers

of vital over time, because of the extent of it. That's probably 30 years ago, 35, 40 years

ago, so it's nothing new, but yeah, at least the cars had buttons back then.

Yeah, at scale, these things really do get up, out up. Yeah. Yeah.

Like stuff like a button or a temperature gauge, it should be just mandatory. Like,

it's common sense. I mean, my scam doesn't have an eye weight, but that's another story.

You know, it's just, it doesn't need temperature gauge, because it doesn't have water in the engine.

That's exactly right. That's what it can still get hot, David.

Yeah, but you can tell you stick it out the window if it's hot day, they get hot.

Yeah, it's not the smell of it. I'll be saying that to you, and you're only waiting

waiting 38 degrees. I mean, stick it out the window, David.

Is it a little outside? Well, then it's hot.

I mean, it's just one, it's those little things that the car companies are doing that are

really stupid, like dumb. What are some other ones, gentlemen, before you move on?

I've got plastic in the engine bay. Oh, my goodness.

I feel like it's just there's far too much of it, and what I really hated seeing was plastic

plenums. Oh, yeah. Radiator chambers. Oh, yeah.

I think it's in plain India. Yeah, radiator chambers as well on the sides, and

because my mum's just as an example, my mum's Mercedes, the intake piping.

Is plastic, and then there's one bit, one part of it where it's like not plastic.

It's kind of squishable, foamy, squishable, and then it goes back to plastic again.

All around where it changes was that brutal that I touched it, and it just like chipped away,

it broke in my hands. Yeah. It was just fully opened, and then when I removed it,

it was that brutal, like I just grabbed it, it just fell apart in my hands, it was that fragile.

Yeah, it's problematic. You ask any BMW Ina, they'll tell you that cooling systems are made of

cheese because they are just, they're all plastic. They're lost, they'll last the warranty period,

and yeah, it's really easy, quite a considerable thing, like every five years or whatever it is,

you'd be saying, okay, I'm going to replace this, I'm going to replace just, it's insane.

Let's keep on going.

On through those heat cycles, nonstop hot cold, hot cold, and it's going to crumble no matter what,

I don't care if you've got like top notch plastic, it ain't going to last.

It's plastic. Sorry, David, I think I interrupted you or are you going to say?

Me? Yep.

No, it was a particular problem with the 4.4 litre X5, it's the early ones.

There was so many plastic components under there, but even sensors and things like that,

that Alfred Brady, you know, had a couple of them, and he said, yeah, they,

that everything just falls apart. It just cooks the plastics and so many plastic components

under the bottom of that car, just deteriorate so much quicker than the 3.0 litre diesel did.

Metal radiators, glass headlights, top notch cam, rubber pipes, rubber pipes, thick rubber pipes,

I like that. So again, it's just like touch and not touch buttons, physical buttons.

Physical buttons. This is all screaming, you say he's 190 diesel for me, this is thinking a lot

of boxes right now. It's got all of those things. It does have all of those things.

What are some other ones, Jens? They really grind you gears, they can't come,

these are like stupid things. I think they've got to slow down on the screen sizes on the

interiors. Where is it in? The whole windscreen will be a screen. That's like, I'm not in my lounge room.

You know, it's not about, oh, I've got a 20-inch screen now, in my nose. You're trying to

concentrate on driving on the road. You don't need this out of the peripheral vision.

This massive screen with God knows what's on it. You can use your phone for that.

I had this discussion with people from a, it was actually government people. Where are they

from? Department of safety and transport or something, other day through work. We were talking

that they're wanting to do a bit of a study, potentially on how many cars and crashes have

ended up with people being injured. What are the ADES features, the autonomous features? Are they

helping reduce road toll or not? It's basically looking at all the crashes and looking at that sort

of data. We're talking about that and he made the point. No, I agree with him. You know,

these things are so intrusive now, like the being in the bogging and the eyesight detection

and the look back at the road. It's like, oh, peace off. I'm just driving here. It's so distracting

though that you turn them off and it's sort of like if they're that good that you turn it off,

then they're not good because they're not there at all because they're so annoying.

It's like we make cars so hard to steal. What are the thieves do? They just

break into your house and go to the key bowl and get the key. You know, like there are ways and

means around or this stuff. So I was in my mate Subaru coming back from the country some months back

and it was exactly that. It was like a 2019 forest turn. It was going, being the being lane change

and being the being car in front and being the being ed keep your eyes on the road when I looked

over to get a snake out of the packet of lollies. So I turned it all off. I sat there and went,

how do I turn that one off? How do I turn it off? And then I think, God, I'm back to just driving

again. So I think that's, you know, kind of well intentioned but it's not having the desired

result if you get so annoyed. There's one person to blame for that and it's not the car manufacturers.

It's the ANCAP because you want to get that five stars which makes sense. You want to get that

five stars because people look at that five stars and think, unfortunately, all those little

things for some reason, but unfortunately for the five stars, it's got nothing to do with the safety

of the actual car like the way the car is built. It's these little dumb safety features on it.

They're really building it to a recipe and unfortunately, the wider community of car buyers

really buy into this star rating. Now, the problem is the goalposts keep changing as we've said

before on this point. So, you know, like the Mercedes S-Class I've got in the garage,

the 380 SEL. This is a tank of a thing, incredibly safe car. Probably the safest saloon in the world

when it was new. Now, that would get a zero star rating now. It would probably not get even half

a star now. Yet, you know, things like a new Mitsubishi Mirage or a chimney, you know, might well

before five stars, it was like, okay, you rolled down an embankment 18 times and you slam into a wall

at 80K an hour. I could tell you which car would rather be in for safety, but unfortunately, that's

that's that's not part of it. I drove a couple of last last Tuesday I drove a brand new

Haval, Jolion. You're porting. I know. And first of all, say, the offset is horrific on that car.

Oh, it's like a shopping trolley. How? Who thought that was good anyway? That's that's beside the point.

So, this is this is for the uninitiated wheels that look too small for the car. No,

was that a so far into the like in yet too far in? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like the offset is just like

ridiculous. I was like, like, who thought that it's like you've put wrong wheels on the car.

Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So I got those in G3 wheels. Yeah. Chuck them on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. They should be right in Chinese. In Chinese. So I was driving this car on some

country back roads and we had only had 90 Ks on on the night drive, but I put about two on a

Ks on it. And, um, you know, plenty of it went all right. It's going to plenty of power. Um,

anyway, I'm driving around a some cruise control going around a bend. And the car just slams

on the anchors and then I was like, what the hell? And it's like, and it went at this 100 kilometer

bend, it took it at like 70. And I'm like, what's it? And then Michael's sitting in the back. He's

like, he's like, why don't you get the bracelet? I'm like, I didn't. The car did it. The car saw

the, the bend was coming. Beep. Didn't even be, baby. He just just slowed, you know, stop the

slowed right down. Took control. Took a child and putted me around the corner and was constantly

fighting me and misteering and. Wow. Things and bonds going off about about all that sort of stuff.

I'm like, this is actually, I think it's dangerous. Um, you know, I'm just slowing down on a

corner with a truck coming up your backside. And you got on a cruise. You just wouldn't. Um,

so yeah, it's for me, I was like, whoa, okay, then. So then what I just didn't use cruise control

for the rest of the drive. I just did it all myself. I had an excellent experience too, where, um,

I was driving, I think it didn't any case. And there was a car that was in the middle doing a

new term, but we're sticking out into my lane. Um, and so I went to move around it, but then, uh,

lane departure was trying to fall back into my lane. Not having to sort of fight the steering

room. And I went, I think that's the opposite of what this has meant to be doing as well. But also

touching on the safety ring is true. As we discussed before in this podcast, um, to get five stars,

you have to have, um, speed sign recognition, which is so annoying. Um, the constant beeping

middle, so like I was in my friends Prado. And I think it sort of says, you've ended at 60s and

you can't turn that off. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't just be that you like, like, say,

a scenario just had like a single beep with this, it says you've ended at 60s and it's so annoying

because you can't turn it off. Um, and like, that doesn't help again, you know, um, doesn't help

with anything. Um, and I would really love to know the actual statistics on the number of

crashes that are caused by speed. I'd be more inclined to say it's under the influence,

substantial mechanical issues or issues with the road as opposed to just being in the five Ks over.

You know, I also had to, like, the only car that I've driven, like modern car that I've driven

recently, that with the steering pulling you off into the different sides, um, that actually works

well. And I'm not saying that because I own it, but my fiesta, it doesn't, it doesn't force you

back in. It just gently wafes you back. And if you, if you drifted so far off, it, it'll just,

it'll just flash on the turns off. Anyway, it turns off. Yeah. But it won't drag, it won't,

like, rip your hands out of the wheel and do it. And it's, it's, it's really, it feels the most

unapproved. But even then, still, like, it's still there. You can turn it off. It's just,

and the great thing about it, you can, when you switch it off, it's off when you start the

kind of next time because it's on, it's on the stalk. Um, but some of the new cars I've been,

like, they just rip your hands off. Like, they, they, they, they just, they just roll back into it.

And, um, like, I, I don't mind when it's there, but it's, it, it gives you a, hey, just letting,

you know, not, not completely, like you said, Jim, just taken, can, can play it like a

chalk because that's, that's, that's, that's causes people to over, over react. And,

you know, potentially haven't had an issue there. Um, another one I want to add to that is

automatic stop start. That is the biggest in any new kind of, I think. Yeah. And I'll be able to

permanently turn it off. You got it. Yeah. That one is the, um, the cruise, what's that, um,

radar cruise control? Yeah. Can't stand it. Never use it. Normal cruise, we use radar cruise. I

never use. Well, cricket, no one else agrees with me except, I think it hasn't placed to be honest

dead. No, it doesn't, no, that doesn't shed. I mean, look, I, I mean, it's a really good system.

Yeah. Cause her previous car, the Skoda had it, but it was really clunky. And it would like,

if you start traveling too slow, it would completely turn off. And it would turn the, um,

the radar off as well. Sorry. It would turn cruise off altogether. But the HIV doesn't really

smartly. And you can essentially just crawl along like if you're stuck in traffic, you can just

crawl with the cruise on. And it will just, you know, do it. Yeah. And it is a bit of a lazy thing

like it's, you know, I'm just, I'm not even driving at that point, which is rude. But it does,

I think it has its place. But I think some cars are better than others as well.

Yeah. I could pass on that. I could pass on every car that seems to have an electronic brake,

handbrake. Oh, yeah. Piss that with my non-stepping buttons. How many, about a hundred years

that were completely fine to have a, you know, something handled between. How does, how does that

work? Because it's an emergency brake. The braking system fails. A handbrake is an emergency

brake that's totally separate to the braking system of the car. I don't know what happens

at a hundred k an hour if you flick on a electric one. I've watched a video with someone

try that in a new golf. Yeah. Pulling on a hundred k's. It just applies the brakes gradually.

Oh, right. Okay. So there is some sort of backup towards. Yeah. You can't really believe

it doesn't just work with the rear, the handbrake up and just sends you just sends you spinning.

Yeah. You can't do a handbrake turn anymore. Boys.

But that should be that glass headlights, a metal radiator, timing chain and a mechanical

handbrake. Maybe that's a fourth thing. Tell me that's like she built properly.

You know, yeah. I mean, I talked by notice. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I get, I think the,

the automatic handbrake is is a, I mean, is it more parts than than it didn't have to. Yeah,

there's a mark. There's a, yeah, there's a mark. It's not just a handle to a line to

just the calipers, right? Yeah. Well, I didn't get what was wrong with the normal handbrake.

I don't want to. That's the thing. There's nothing wrong with a lot of these things.

And ergonomically, as we've said before in this podcast, there's, there's sort of a

height of ergonomic simpleness. And, and we often go past that thinking, it's better

or going to change your lives and it just makes it worse.

I mean, because if you guys ever seen the movie, Wally,

when when we're like so lazy, you know, it's, it feels that's what we're becoming when genuinely

it's terrifying. But anyway, that's a, that's another story. But the, the whole,

when you put the handbrake on, it's a bit of a bit annoying. But yeah, I still don't like the

automatic stop start. I think that is more strain on all your starting components.

Where's that your battery quicker? You start a motor quick? Even though they're made for

stop start technology, the batteries cost a, like double the price to replace. Yeah, absolutely.

So again, it's, you know, the 50 bucks you say in fuel a year is offset by the battery.

You have to replace. Correct. But three, four years or whatever. 100%. I think that's

that for me. It's like, let's do the quiz. Let's do the quiz. It's hard enough. Let's get into

the quiz now. Okay. So that's all about me and what I want. And I'm ready for the quiz.

And I'm excited because Jim's done it. And I don't think I've done a Jim quiz before.

I'll talk with Ed Bunting. Correct. Yeah. Let's show it this evidently. Um, so, uh, Jim,

you've called me decided to do a quiz for us. Yes. Uh, I'm sorry. We've got a few

quiz. You're good. Ed's. What musical instrument are you accompanying it with this week?

Yes. I did. I did think when I realized when I heard

last week's episode, um, that there was no way on earth. I could possibly have that too.

Yeah, because I think all of us are in the same boat too. Scotty's triangle. Did you

previous triangles? Or just like tambourine? I used to play the trombone, but I'm not sure

that would really be practical with the Zoom meeting, but, you know, um, so yeah. Maybe if you

have to like replicate the sound of a V, uh, VQ 35 engine or something. Or maybe someone gets a

ring. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All right, Jim. It's um, so your quiz ready to go. So we've

got, um, we've got a few plays tonight. We've got Ed, David, Scotty, chat on myself. Um, Jim,

take it away. Okay. Thank you. Uh, question one. What decade saw the introduction of the first

mass-produced car with a five-speed manual? Ed. Yes, Ed. 70s. Incorrect, David. David. 50s. Incorrect.

Chattels in the next. I'll go, 80s. Incorrect. Matthew. Yes, Matthew. Matt's produced. Oh,

er, 50s. Uh, it's all been said incorrect. Oh, has it? Oh, cheers. Okay. I'll say 60s. Incorrect. Oh.

No. Um, I'm gonna go. I think, yeah. I think it is everybody. Yeah. Okay. Um, answer was

1940s. Really? Wow. Yes. How was that? Well, actually, bonus question. Um, I've got, uh,

either country of origin or the manufacturer. Oh, I'm gonna go, um, seeing as they're quite

ticky for the, for, for the, for the age, I'm gonna say, uh, UK? Incorrect. David. Oh, David.

Italy. Correct. Yes. Oh, yes. Okay. Oh, anybody trying to ask for voters point? Yeah, yes,

voters point. So the, uh, many extra. Lancia. Correct. Yes. Yes. Um, the Lancia area, it was a

non-synchronous gearbox. Um, and also featured the smallest V4 engine ever produced, which could fit

on an A4 sheet of paper. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Not like Chad's transmission. I'm gonna be doing me

back and get in that into the car. All right. Question two. And I'll give closest two for this question.

The Subaru legacy known here is the Liberty, just wrapped up production in North America after

how many years on the sale. Oh, Matthew. Matthew. Thirty five years. Okay. Ed. Ed. 34. So,

James, is this the whole life of that model? Uh, the whole life of the Liberty, yes. All the legacy

over there, but yes, the whole life. You said 34, didn't you, Ed? Yeah. David. David. I'll go 33. Okay.

Chad 30. Okay. Scotty 31. Okay. Um, I'm the cutting guy on here.

Yeah. Um, Matt and you were closest. It was 36. Oh, no. Oh, dear. Cause we got that in 89.

So they got it a little bit earlier than us. No, they, they got it in, they got the same time as

well, but you've got to include a nice model. Yeah. Yeah. Ryan. Okay. Well, Matt had already said 35,

so maybe yes. You're two gone long ago. All right. Question three. In the lead up to the

bathroom, 1000, I'm going to cast your mind back to the precursor of this event, the Armstrong 500.

As we know, the last model designation of the locally produced Ford Falcon was the FGX.

But what was the first Falcon model designation to win the Armstrong 500? Ed. Ed.

Was it the Falcon 500? I'm taking that white one. Matthew. Actually, hang on, hang on,

I heard David first. Yes, David. The XR GT. And incorrect, but it did win, but incorrect.

The XR did win. Matthew. First one, it was said, the question was, first one, take place, right?

No, no, the first Falcon to win an Armstrong 500.

XP. Incorrect.

No, you want to call me. Yeah. Any more guesses or shall I give you the answer?

Xe. Incorrect. Bonus question. Is the model shared with Citroën?

No, I'm aware of no. It's probably in the code, but anyway, you're three race, the XM.

They probably did. That's someone else's answer.

No, the answer was the XL.

They're OK. Wow.

Yep, so it went Cresta 220 SE XL Falcon.

Yep. That's a Hyundai.

I wasn't thinking of that, no, a bit earlier.

OK, question four. What was the first mass produced car to feature in 8-speed automatic transmission?

Matthew. Matthew.

Alexis ISF. Half a point.

Alexis. Yes.

In-speed.

Trickets.

The GS350.

Just through it. No, 300.

No, but you're on the right track.

Ed. Ed.

Next to Celix for LS460.

Correct. Yes.

Oh, B1.

Yes. B1.

B1.

B1. Yes.

All right, score check.

Score check, Ed.5.

Myself 1.5.

Dave.

One, my point.

Oh, just a half, I've got half the question.

Yeah, all right.

Of course it out again.

David on to Scotty and Chad get the score.

Still OK.

Scotty's game.

Anyone's game.

Question five.

In-fast and furious Tokyo drift.

A Mustang receives a controversial engine swap.

Engine wasn't.

Chad beat me.

I think so.

Correct. Yes.

Which was in an S5-S5 team.

Yes.

Both question and I'll give closest two.

So the entire saga of fast and furious films,

how much money has the franchise

earned to the box office in US dollars?

Oh, closest two.

Closest two, yes.

All of the movies.

So 10 movies.

No, it's more than 10.

More than 10?

Yeah, because they've got the hobs and shawl.

Oh, no, OK, yeah, yeah.

I'll go $750 million.

OK, let's take this guess, yeah.

Yeah, I'm going to say, I'm going to say $2 billion.

OK, $2 billion.

Yep, I'll do $1.8 billion.

OK.

I'll go $1 billion.

OK, good.

Good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good.

I will go with

$950 million.

OK, well, when you were close, this again, I think,

with $2 billion, it was actually $9.2 billion.

Oh, my God.

$9.2, yeah.

That's popular.

Yeah, they are a little bit.

Yes, yeah.

All right, questions.

Question six.

A different time is during this mystery model's lifespan.

The Honda Civic and Opel Cadet formed the basis for which model of car.

Oh, is it not the same one?

Different ones, you mean?

As in, they have formed the basis of the same car, but over different generations.

Oh, and it's one car that formed the, that did that.

As in, like, so, how do I explain that, given the answer away?

It was two cars, but they've, like,

they've been used by another company as a certain model.

Yes, correct.

Thank you.

Yes.

OK.

That's a Honda Civic and an Opel Cadet.

Yeah.

They're very different cars.

Yeah.

Jeez.

There's a shared model between those.

I might add not at the same time in the history of this model.

OK.

For example, this company might have used the Cadet.

So, so the model names the same, the size of the car,

and the general style of the car remain the same.

Yeah.

But they were used at different points since the chain basis.

Your chat.

Is it a, oh, I don't know the model, but it's a rover that was shared with, like, an integral or something?

Incorrect.

I was thinking rover, but then I was like, they didn't use any, like, they didn't use Opel Cadets.

Yeah, they didn't use Cadet.

Or maybe rover back in the day.

I don't know.

Yeah, that's what I guess.

Nothing wrong with the gear.

That's right, Chad, all right.

Well, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going out on a limb.

David, I'll say I have a guess.

Dave Wu, something Dave, a Dave Wu, something.

Incorrect.

Was you getting warmer, at least?

The water of, yes.

Part of the same loop wall.

Empire, kind of, yes.

I don't know.

Dead.

Iron die.

Incorrect.

Ah, Scott.

Scott?

Yeah.

Incorrect.

I'll give you a bit more of a, um, a clue.

I deliberately said Honda Civic first to throw you off.

So what would you, uh, put the Opel Cadet with the wheeler?

Oh, Camira.

Incorrect.

Oh, Camira.

Family of engines.

Still like, um, all right, Jim, that's it.

You're out of the fret house.

Fair enough.

I'm going to say, Matthew, I want to say, um,

I'll use you Gemini.

Correct.

Yes.

So did I use it?

Hey, look, it works.

Yes, so, so it was a Civic as well.

Yes.

So in, uh, in the 90s with the eK Civic, um, Accura sold, um,

the first model that they produced in Canada was called the Accura EL.

That was an export to Japan as a Honda Demani.

And then that was used as a basis for the us user Gemini.

Yeah, we saw it, I saw it, I saw it in black, six degrees of a separation.

It's, um, it's a real badgie exercise.

Okay, question seven.

Hopefully, I'll have a bit more luck with this question.

We'll see.

No question seven.

Jim, well done.

Well done.

Go ahead.

Recent cold.

You know, in streets of Adelaide, Jim,

cold.

Yeah, that's all right.

I'm used to sleeping off.

Um, question seven.

Recently, a federal MP gave some internet notoriety.

Is they made some statements for standing next to a classic Australian car?

What was the car and who was the MP?

I'm going to be Joyce Holden kept to you.

Incorrect.

Although I wish.

Wasn't Bob Catter with an AU Falcon.

Incorrect.

But I also wish that too.

Yeah.

Now that I'll punch you in the mouth for sailing.

I'm out of the news cycle.

So I, yeah, I can't even.

It's a little bit of a little bit on Instagram.

Oh, um, up Matthew.

I don't know.

Is it, so it's not a car fight?

Is it a current member of parliament?

Oh, yeah.

It's 100%.

It's a very current active noisy member of parliament.

Yes.

Um, I will say Albo and in front of a

Holden statesman.

Incorrect.

Scott.

Oricon is pulling Hanson with the Sandman.

Incorrect.

Go back.

She gone back again.

Incorrect.

I also wish that too.

As I, if you're wearing a hijab this

though, it's going to be creating that poem.

I'm going to give you half a point, Scotty.

That's brilliant.

That's the best thing I've ever had.

Okay.

Um, the car was, uh, XW Ford Falcon GT.

And the MP was Andrew Hase because he was

lamenting our loss of manufacturing and all that

member of jumbo because he's trying to go for the

liberal leisure in mind.

Um, okay.

Next question.

This one, hopefully you guys with no, um,

under some sad news.

And I'm going to miss being out this person's name.

Tom Matano, the designer and so-called father of what car

recently died.

I didn't miss you.

Ed.

Oh, no, I think David got it in.

I've met you.

I don't think you sound came through, David.

I saw your mouth move, but nothing came out.

Sorry, but I didn't hear it either.

David's mind.

I mean.

No.

Mr. M. X.

I'm young, tar.

Correct.

Uh, bonus question.

What's the value as one?

California.

What other famous model did he work on while working with master Matthew?

Matthew.

Are you seven, didn't he?

Correct.

Bonus Bo's question.

What division of general modesty work will

briefly in the 1970s?

Oh, good question.

Good question.

Good.

In his own reception.

I feel I feel as I had chat first, but anyway.

Uh, so he wasn't on reception.

What is on the arc?

Incorrect.

We thought what I've got here anyway.

Matthew.

Actually, hang on.

I think I had had enough to chat.

He was on reception, like I said.

No, he's correct.

Incorrect.

So much.

No, he's correct.

Incorrect.

So much.

Uh, I'm going to say, was he on the Buick team?

Incorrect.

Ooh.

Uh, David Ogo shares.

Incorrect.

What's up?

Ooh.

Um.

Got it.

Tall on you, mate.

It is.

Yeah, I'm sick.

So much pressure.

Uh, um, did he work with ultimate beer?

Incorrect.

Oh, I'll open it up just slightly more.

Stop thinking North America.

Ooh.

Matthew.

1970s.

Ooh.

Australia?

In Holden?

Correct, yes.

Really?

Yes, he worked with Phil Schrood on the Holden Toronto.

Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

All right.

I am embarrassed about that connection.

I did what you got to say.

Maybe you should be embarrassed.

You didn't know giving you own an MX.

Correct.

Shame on you, Edward.

Shame.

It's basically a Toronto.

I'm selling it.

I'm selling it in B.

It's probably worth one to 20 grand if it's true.

But then I'll definitely send you a

such a bogeon head.

I'm not associated with that car.

Okay.

I might skip that one.

It's probably a bit too hard.

I'm pushing 10.

He knows the audience.

Yes.

Question 10.

Showing my Pipe and Slippers taste in TV.

During an Inspector Morse episode, Morse himself refers to a suspect's car

as a bulbous piece of vulgarity.

What was the car?

This is 1990s Britain.

That's a new car.

Oh, okay.

Oh, Ed.

Oh, sorry.

Oh, I think I heard Matthew first.

Yeah.

Board Scorpio.

Oh, incorrect.

Right time group.

And they were ugly.

Yes, Ed.

Oh, I was going to say it's that

funny people move with the weird lights.

Was it a fiat?

No, not a fiat.

Incorrect.

What's that?

No, but what's that?

What's that one?

Fair multiple.

That's the one I'm thinking.

Yeah.

Vulgarity.

90s.

Oh, I'll have a guess.

Yes.

Something TV.

Right track, the incorrect car.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

Scotty.

Chetty.

Yeah.

1990s Britain.

New car.

You're right, Gov.

Not sure.

Oh, no, not sure.

Not funny.

What was the MGS?

Oh, right.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

He looked at him and told us he's a vulgarity.

Yeah.

Good looking cars, the MGS.

No, he thought they were idiots in that episode.

All right, Clestia Leven.

Hopefully this is a bit better.

According to August V Facts results,

how many Chinese May Factor is a P in the top 10

for overall sales?

Oh, that's you.

That's you.

Four.

Correct.

It was four.

Oh, only four.

Okay.

Only four.

Uh, both question.

Can you name them?

That's you.

Yes.

GWM.

Uh, MGS.

Yes.

GWMG.

B-Y-D.

And...

Shh.

That's not all.

Oh, jeez.

GWM, B-Y-D, M-G.

And...

No, you're wrong.

You've got three out of the four, so far.

David.

Z-Goth?

Don't...

Incorrect.

David?

Cherry.

Correct.

Yes.

I was thinking that one too.

I was like, is it a fruit?

Okay.

Um, all right.

I'm going to now end on a brochure question.

As someone who likes cars, you understand only too well

that performance costs the more you want, the more you pay.

But sometimes you find a car with a power price formula

of its own that beats the system.

The blank, blank hatch.

It does zero to a hundred kilometres an hour

in a stunning 10.2 seconds

and costs thousands less than Corolla and laser twin cams.

And when it comes to the everyday versions of those other hatches,

blank is a three-to-head of them.

Blank's phenomenal performance comes from a 1.8-litre,

79 kilowatt blank powerhouse with cross-flow alloy head

and multi-point fuel injection with it.

David.

No, sorry.

Chad, Chad did get him.

Oh, sorry.

Is it M-Z-323?

Incorrect.

Is it a hold on Astra?

Correct, David, is a hold on Astra.

Here you go, 1.8-family-two-engine mate.

I was going to say, what engine size did it run if way go hub?

Was that a 1.2-litre?

Two-litre, okay.

So that's the conclusion of my quiz.

Good quiz, then.

Great quiz, two-litre, one-yes.

Score check.

Scotty, you get the score, Chad.

I've got 0.5.

Oh, so 0.5, yes, no, you go Scotty.

Yeah, you can use 0.5.

Yeah, you're bastard.

Where'd I go with you, David?

Scotty 0.5, Chad on one,

eight on 1.5, David on...

Oh, David.

Myself on...

8.5.

8.5?

How do you get 8.5?

Because I got...

I'll try to...

Or Jack Chinese cars.

Yeah, I got 4.

Yeah.

Well, I'd be so proud, Matthew.

I'd like to thank Xi Jinping.

I'd like to thank the CCP.

I would like to...

Chinese overall.

And my good Chinese overlords

would like to thank them all for...

for the incredible vehicles that they produce.

That is a Y-way as well.

Y-Y-Y, yep.

Did anybody see that thing on Instagram the other day

that the...

Pyramid?

Yes.

With 100 brands, there are 100 brands of Chinese cars.

It might be for long, they won't also buy it.

It's 109.

Oh, goodness.

He's showing it to me now.

Yeah.

And all...

If that's it, all graded, you know,

from superluxury at the top, you know,

to the...

Yeah.

The only ones at the bottom.

They won't all survive.

They can...

One of mine's are called Ultec Coma Locost.

I might like those ones the best.

So interestingly,

I had this discussion with the salesman at Cherry yesterday

because I was in there.

They had...

When they first came out,

that there was a Cherry Omoda,

which was like,

Emodeum, like, you know,

we read Big Joke a bit at the time.

That no longer...

Likes it, yeah.

Omoda...

Omoda is no longer a Cherry product.

It's now a J-Coo product.

Is that...

Omoda.

It's just been sold off.

Hard to know.

I mean, they're obviously...

You know, there are a lot of them connected

and they're different.

You know, where they're positioned in the market

is different and the like.

But, yeah, that's fun to me out,

because all the dealerships in Doncaster Road

there's...

I think there's seven Chinese brands

between Doncaster Shopping Town now

and Subaru, which is the bottom of the hill.

And within that,

those dealerships there are seven Chinese brands.

And through the other day,

because I knew Cherry was being redeveloped,

but then down to the very end is J-Coo

and the J-Coo of Oda.

I thought, that's not even...

I wasn't by those last week.

But things move quickly

in the car industry, it seems.

Do you go...

David, do you go to BYD Ringwood?

No, I don't.

Okay.

I need someone to go there

and tell them to piss off

and shut up with all their advertising.

Just like, it floods my news feed.

It's all that is there.

They're always live.

Wow.

Like...

They're always live, saying,

I get this many of likes

and we'll go and have a look at the new BYD shark

and they'll say, oh my god, piss off.

Go away.

So David, that's what you're doing tomorrow morning.

You're heading off to the BYD showroom in Richmond.

BYD showed BYD showroom.

Build your dreams.

And you're welcome to, hey, look,

my friend Scotty tells you to shut up.

Actually, you could start going out

to pick a part in Killside

and up on Canterbury Road.

Is it here?

Oh my god, I saw them the other day were there.

They're just everywhere.

Yeah.

There's got to be a thousand cars sitting in that yard.

Oh, at least.

All that, all that side.

Yeah.

Amazing.

That comes from a dusty field.

Yeah.

Yep.

I'm with you.

They won't all survive.

I think the bulk of them are being

financed by the government anyway.

So, you know,

yeah, and if there was talk of the government

even having a bit of a rationalisation.

So I think there's the,

yeah,

there's a lot of brands that will just

disappear from there,

which I won't really be crying about.

No.

Anyway, I think that's a podcast, gentlemen.

Thank you, Matthew.

Thank you, Jim.

Thank you, everybody.

Thank you, Jim, for your lovely podcast for the quiz.

Let's get on with some plugs.

David's wisdom.

Oh, you've caught me.

I want, I'm trying to be wise.

If you can lose your head while all around

are losing theirs.

No, if you can keep your head

while all around losing theirs,

you'll be the tallest person in the room.

Ed Bunting, anything you want to plug?

Yeah, I've got to see our V,

low miles,

5,500, 300,

or Lady owner.

I don't know how many owners it's had,

but what ifs?

Famous?

Going to be promoted by Honda.

So, inquire about that.

Pajero, wacky gauges.

I'll fix those.

That'll soon be on the market.

Oh, two diesel.

That's a modder.

Scotty's got to be the week.

So, remember,

oh, it would have been a couple of weeks ago.

Now, I talked about the live, the golf ball,

if you're like on the hill,

the left or the right on the hill,

and what direction to hit it.

This time, I'm looking at if it's on a down slope

and you're hitting it downhill.

So, it's a lot harder to try and get

under the ball and that to hit it.

So, most of the time, you might end up

topping it in things like that.

So,

there is four steps to think about

to make the adjustments.

Number one, whatever club you're going to go with,

go up one club.

Number two, aim a bit left.

Number three, move the ball back in your stance

and set your shoulders at the same angle as the slope.

So, what I mean back in your stance

is other than having the ball right in the middle of your feet,

have it more backwards in the stance.

Number four is stay balanced and centered throughout the shot.

Nice, but don't.

So, just don't try and lean into the slope or anything.

Just once you're positioned, hold that position all the way through.

Think there's something in that for all of us.

If you went to the butcher, unbought enough meat,

you'd have your own cow.

I think there's something in that for all of us.

I think there is.

Actually, it brought a house.

I'll bring out the ice over.

They just met you.

Chad's delivering to a place.

Do you want him? He'll bring it.

Yeah, bring it up.

He did deliver the transmission.

He did deliver it in his big truck.

No, it was in his tararga van.

And I was promised some meduel dates at some point.

Is that still a thing, Chad?

Sort that out for you.

No stress.

That will be your payments.

Can I get the ones without the pips in them?

I don't like having to extract the pep.

I just want to eat them.

What if I extract the pep for you?

No, I don't touch them at all.

Yeah, no worries.

I think you can get some reason without the pep bit.

I'll look around for those especially.

His pep will speak to your people, though.

Yeah.

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I'm sorry, boys, I don't have a guitar to play us out tonight.

That's a bit disappointing.

Why don't we all...

Let's pick a song and we'll all do a 20 noise,

H and do it.

What song could we all do a noise to?

I don't know.

What I'm meaning is like, you know, if we get a song,

we're like, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, you know, like...

Why don't you just do the whole thing, Ed?

You're really dangerous.

What's a song that we would all, you know...

Holy girl, why was that?

How does it collect this?

Yeah.

It's a good song.

This morning from the craze.

It was in the biggest time.

There you go.

You did it.

I did it, boys.

I have songs here.

All right, um...

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Can't you see?

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