Chevy VS Ford VS Ram! The Future Of Trucks For 2027 And Beyond! | Ep. 329
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Chevy VS Ford VS Ram! The Future Of Trucks For 2027 And Beyond! | Ep. 329TFL Talkin' Trucks · May 1, 2026
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Chevy VS Ford VS Ram! The Future Of Trucks For 2027 And Beyond!
This episode is basically a head-to-head debate about Chevy, Ford, and Ram trucks. They’re talking about what trucks will look like and how they’ll change in the next few years.
Toyota is a major automaker and is referenced here in the context of recent recalls. The hosts are using Toyota as an example of how recalls can affect public perception and business outcomes.
A recall is when a car company says, “We found a problem—bring it in so we can fix it.” It matters because it can affect safety and also how people feel about the brand.
“G-Wagans” is what people call the Mercedes-Benz G-Class SUV. It’s a luxury off-road vehicle, and the hosts are joking that you see them everywhere in parts of Los Angeles.
This means the engine uses modern fuel injection and a turbocharger. The turbo helps the engine make more power by pushing extra air in, and the fuel injection helps it deliver the right amount of fuel.
Term
field economy
They’re asking about fuel economy—how many miles you can get per gallon (or how much fuel you burn). It changes depending on how you drive and what conditions you’re in.
The Ford Excursion is a very large SUV. In the podcast, someone mentions it to describe the kind of size or style they’re talking about. The question “Like an excursion?” is basically asking if that’s the vehicle they meant.
The Chevrolet Trax is a small SUV-style vehicle. The podcast is just joking about how to say its name. It’s the kind of car people talk about when discussing compact crossover options.
The Dodge Power Wagon is a special off-road version of a pickup truck. It’s meant for rough use and tougher driving than a regular pickup. The podcast brings it up because they might keep one for a long time to use it regularly.
Spy images are pictures people take of new cars while they’re still being tested. They’re usually covered in camouflage, and they help fans figure out what might be coming next.
A prototype is basically an early, test version of a vehicle. Automakers use it to check that the design and engineering work before they build the final version for sale.
Concept
current generation T1
“T1” sounds like an internal code for the truck’s current platform—the underlying design that shapes how the truck is built. Future trucks may use the same base, even if the styling and features change.
Concept
T1 trucks
They’re talking about a “platform” for future trucks—basically the underlying design that future models build on. The idea is the truck shape stays similar, but the important mechanical parts will change.
A V8 is a type of engine with eight cylinders. “Powertrain” is the whole set of parts that take engine power and send it to the wheels, not just the engine by itself.
This means the company planned to switch its trucks to electric power instead of gas engines. They’re saying that plan didn’t go as expected, so they changed direction.
Term
V-Aids again
This sounds like they meant “V8s.” They’re basically saying GM had to go back to building trucks with V8 engines after trying to move everything to electric.
“Four-cylinder turbos” refers to engines with four cylinders that use a turbocharger to increase air intake and boost power. In truck applications, this is often used to improve efficiency while still providing usable torque.
A straight-six is an engine design where all six cylinders are lined up in a row. It’s known for smooth operation, and the hosts are saying they’re fans of it.
They’re saying the next generation of trucks will still use V8 engines, but updated versions. That usually means the engines get newer tech to meet modern rules and improve efficiency.
The Corvette C8 Grand Sport is a high-performance version of the Corvette. The hosts mention it because it shows GM using a newer, bigger V8 engine, which affects what they expect for future truck engines.
The Ford Raptor is a rugged, off-road-focused pickup. The hosts are using it as a “target” for how good the next GM truck needs to be.
Brand
GMC homer
“GMC homer” is slang for someone who strongly favors GMC. They’re saying GMC is being positioned as the top “showcase” brand for the most impressive trucks.
Term
zero to 1500
They’re talking about how fast the truck can get up to speed from a stop. It’s basically a quick “how quick is it” comparison number.
Clearance is how much room the truck has between the ground and the bottom of the vehicle. More clearance helps when driving over bumps, ruts, or rocks.
A “wide body” kit adds flares and parts that let the truck sit wider and fit bigger tires. The “vendors” are the companies that sell those aftermarket kits.
This is a fancy suspension that can adjust how the shocks “push back” while you drive. Instead of being stuck in one setting, it can react to the road in real time to improve ride and control.
It means the suspension can change its behavior while driving. Sensors and a controller help it react to bumps and handling demands instead of staying the same all the time.
Semi-active means the system can change how stiff or soft the shocks feel, but it doesn’t actively push the car up and down with its own power. It mainly adjusts resistance to motion.
“Live shocks” means the shocks can change their settings while you drive. The car monitors what’s happening and updates the damping to keep the ride and handling steadier.
Inside the shock there are valves that control how fluid moves. When the computer changes those valves, the shock can feel firmer or softer depending on what the road is doing.
Instead of both wheels on an axle moving together, each wheel can react separately. That usually helps the truck keep better contact with the road and feel smoother over bumps.
Term
Z R2 plus
They’re joking about a possible future name for a more expensive version of the ZR2. It’s basically “more stuff” on top of the current off-road trim.
They’re talking about General Motors and how it might use a naming scheme like “plus” to label different versions of the same model.
Term
naming convention
A naming convention is just the brand’s system for naming different versions of a vehicle. Here, they’re talking about how GM might label higher or lower trim levels.
“35s” means very large tires (about 35 inches). They can make a truck more capable off-road, but they can also make the truck feel different and may cost more in fuel.
Ford’s “PowerBoost Hybrid” is a hybrid setup in some Ford trucks. It pairs a gas engine with an electric motor to help the truck use less fuel and feel more responsive.
An electric motor is a motor that runs on electricity. In a hybrid truck, it can help the gas engine and make the truck feel stronger, especially at low speeds.
“Powertrain” is the set of parts that actually move the truck. Here, they’re saying the mechanical drivetrain has been pretty solid, not the electrical parts.
A hypercar is an even more extreme version of a supercar—usually very fast and very expensive. Here, they’re just saying the call was about the highest level of performance cars.
A supercar is a very high-end sports car that’s built to be extremely fast. The hosts are discussing the wording—whether they should call it a supercar or hypercar.
The DB 12S is a specific Aston Martin sports/GT car model. The point of the mention is that the speaker was driving this particular car when the story happened.
They’re talking about a diesel engine that’s designed to use less fuel. Diesel engines often get better mileage than gas engines, especially when you’re driving at consistent speeds.
A hybrid uses two ways to move the truck: a gas engine and an electric motor. The computer decides which one to use (or both) depending on speed and driving conditions.
Turbo lag is that brief hesitation you can feel before a turbo really “kicks in.” An electric motor can help by pushing right away, so the truck feels more responsive.
They’re talking about a possible new GMC Jimmy coming back. The rumor is it would be built like a rugged off-road SUV, not just a small everyday crossover.
The Toyota 4Runner is a rugged SUV that’s built for off-road driving. In this discussion, it’s mentioned as another model the rumored GMC Jimmy would be competing with.
Body-on-frame means the vehicle has a strong “skeleton” frame underneath, and the body bolts to it. It’s often used for trucks and off-road SUVs because it’s tough and can take more abuse.
An electric platform is the “base design” a company builds for electric vehicles. It determines where the battery and electric components go, and it can be reused across multiple models.
They mention the Ford Bronco, which is a well-known off-road SUV. The point is that it’s back, and that reflects renewed interest in this kind of vehicle.
The Ford Bronco is an SUV built for off-road driving. The podcast mentions it because it has returned to the market and has become a talking point again. People discuss it when they’re comparing off-road SUVs and what’s available now.
The Chevrolet Blazer is an SUV model. The podcast mentions it because Chevrolet is bringing it back. That matters to shoppers because it changes what SUV options are available.
A unibody crossover is built with the body and structure combined into one piece, instead of using a separate truck frame. That usually makes it feel more like a car than a traditional truck.
Concept
electric one
An electric version runs on an electric motor instead of a gas engine. The speaker is saying the way it’s being presented or named doesn’t add up.
Off-road systems are the features that help a truck drive better on dirt, rocks, and uneven ground. The speaker is saying GM already has those features working well.
Concept
Take the cab and the bed off
The speaker is talking about using the same basic truck underneath, but changing the top parts (the cab and bed). The idea is that you can make a new off-road version faster by reusing what already works.
The Ford F-150 is Ford’s most popular pickup truck. The hosts are talking about how Ford updates it in new generations and what that means for what might be coming next.
“All aluminum” means the truck’s body is made mostly from aluminum instead of steel. Aluminum can help the truck be lighter, which can improve efficiency, but repairs can be different and sometimes more expensive.
A “generation” is a big update to a car or truck—usually a redesign with new engineering and features. The hosts are using the usual timing of those updates to guess when Ford will show prototypes.
Car
Ford Raptor
The Ford Raptor is Ford’s off-road-focused version of the F-150. It’s built to handle rough terrain better, and the hosts say Ford uses that kind of development to influence other trucks too.
The Ford Ranger is a smaller pickup than the F-150, sold in lots of countries. The hosts say there’s already a hybrid Ranger overseas and they think Ford may consider it for here too.
“Power on reserve” means the truck still has more power left even after you’ve been driving it. It feels like there’s extra acceleration available when you need it.
Suspension is what helps the truck ride over bumps and stay planted to the ground. A “blend” means it’s set up to work well both on rough trails and on regular roads.
Electrification means moving toward electric power in vehicles. That can include hybrids or plug-in hybrids, and it often involves lots of engineering work.
“Plug-in” usually means the hybrid can be charged by plugging it in, like at home. The point here is that people may not require that feature as much as before.
That’s how much gas the truck can hold. More gas usually means you can drive farther before needing to stop for fuel.
Term
e-cout
It sounds like the speaker is talking about how you can stretch how far the truck goes by driving gently. The exact feature name is unclear from the transcript, but the point is better efficiency means fewer gas stops.
Duramax is a diesel engine line used by GM trucks. People are talking about a possible bigger “8.3-liter” version, which could mean more pulling power for towing.
Power Stroke is Ford’s diesel engine line for their heavy-duty trucks. The “8-liter” talk is about a possible new, larger engine that could pull more effectively.
Term
7.2 litre giant commons engines
Common rail is a diesel fuel system that helps the engine inject fuel more precisely. The “7.2-liter” part is just a rumor about a bigger diesel engine size.
Allison makes heavy-duty automatic transmissions—basically the gearbox that helps a truck shift smoothly under load. They’re talking about whether Allison will still be used in future trucks.
A “spec sheet” is the manufacturer’s published list of technical specifications (like engine output, gearing, towing ratings, and emissions details). The hosts want to compare specs line-by-line to understand what the numbers actually mean in real heavy-duty use.
Concept
heavy load exactly
This refers to the gap between paper specifications (like towing ratings and torque curves) and real-world performance under sustained heavy use. Heavy-duty trucks can behave differently depending on cooling, gearing, driver inputs, and how the drivetrain is calibrated.
Ram is the brand name used for Dodge’s pickup trucks. The podcast talks about it because someone wanted people to drive it and see it for themselves. That’s often how truck buyers decide if a vehicle fits their needs.
The i8 is a sports car that uses a hybrid setup, meaning it can use electricity and gas. The podcast mentions it because someone had to drive one and is talking about that experience. It’s included because it’s a unique car to drive compared with typical vehicles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello and welcome to TFL talking trucks and Nathan you're in the studio.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right my friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm back Just for a brief visit, but I am back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And part of the reason why is because there's a lot at stake.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you think about every vehicle or automaker that we're talking about today, their pickup trucks are truly one of the most important things that they have to present.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, like, nothing personal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's gone through big recalls recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the most recent story was that F-150, you know, four days of recalling 2015 and through 2017, like a million, some plus trucks, that's a big number.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that was what I enjoyed driving that big truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, I so want to bring it to Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just because people there are so obnoxious with their G-Wagans, and I'm not exaggerating.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you go down into Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, in Scino, Studio City, any of those areas, even to the beach, which is kind of where I am, people are driving these things everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the irony is that they can barely get in and out of them, they can't see out of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yet, no, it's what I want to drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: So why not bring GG out there and show them what's up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, top speed is we found out it's 55 miles per hour.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What, what have you done with the field economy on that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not officially, not officially, but I mean, I'm assuming it's in the single digits.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't cost me a thousand dollars to drive that out to LA.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well yeah, so I don't know if we can get it to LA for that reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and Some of the time that for before enthusiasts also wants to know how my truck hunting is going well, it's still hunting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still hunting [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I've kind of slowed down, so there's a lot going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean Just on the personal level.
[SPEAKER_01]: My daughter's graduating high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually your daughter's graduating college, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so not only broke, but we also don't have a lot of time because we're kind of stretched in different directions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm a little bit paused on my hunting for the next vehicle, but stay tuned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your son's a junior now, yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a freshman in the high school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a little bit ahead of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm older, which is part of the deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: But here's the thing, Andre has been a busy busy monkey as such being able to go out and find himself the proper truck, which I've already found for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I already know what it should be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gigi?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not quite.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a weird wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a story of what?
[SPEAKER_02]: But something pretty big and awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like an excursion?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about, okay, something that has a large heavy in it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: T-Rax.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Powerwagon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's never-doggin'.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you got to have like one of those green ones with the big black stripe on the side, this is Powerwagon.
[SPEAKER_02]: So everybody knows?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or desert sand, color, something, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you pull into your driveway and your wife beats you with a shoe, I want to be there for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, that's not far from the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stay tuned.
[SPEAKER_01]: We may have not personally speaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not But we might have a power wagon in our long-term fleet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we had to fly out and then you will have to come out again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's go to our main topic, which is what's happening in 2027 and beyond, because Joe Motors has been teasing us with many spy images, I mean prototype driving around and everybody taking their pictures, test meals everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, thank you for sending us several of our viewers and fans have been sending us images of these prototypes and they're wondering what they are and why you know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've created kind of a rendering if you're watching us on TFL talk channel, you could also see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, what is from my perspective, my eye when I look at these prototypes is that they're taking the current generation T1.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called the T1 trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're kind of iterating on top of that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The wheelbase looks about the same before the cab structure looks about the same but we're expecting new power trains V8s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we need to discuss this.
[SPEAKER_01]: What should they do to remain competitive, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because that's the main topic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think that, first of all, general motors is, I mean, they are doing backflip after backflip.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have to run through all new hoops, because for a while, they basically were saying, okay, we're going to electrify everything, including all of our trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to bring you nothing but electric trucks in the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when everything kind of went south, they had to really do a doubles take and go, oh, we need to start building V-Aids again, which fortunately they are doing, new ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, because they've, I mean, well, GM, I mean, they're kind of like you're saying, they're kind of doing a little bit of everything, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they've always had V8s, and actually, if you look at RAM and also Ford, they're invested into V8 technology, maybe more than anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they've done other stuff too.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've done four cylinder turbos and full-size trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: True, and even straight-six, Dermacces.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, which both of us very much like, but the thing is is that we'll they keep doing that into from 2027 and beyond.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that there will be some changes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, but from where I'm sitting, if you look at the sales, especially like last year what happened in 2025 and what happened first quarter of this year, they're sitting in a pretty strong leadership position because if you combine GMC and Chevrolet truck sales, I mean, they have humongous numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, obviously, when you are kind of in a leading position, you don't want to change everything, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you're already successful.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, we see that with like the Toyota RA4, very successful vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: They often do not change much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we know for sure that they're going to have new V8 engines.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that, that they've announced that we know that there's a plant.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know that they're building them and they've researched them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we know that they're coming out and they're new.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not the same old thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the 5'7, the 3'3' Chevy 350 cubic inch is coming back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because right now they have the 5'3 engine, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the 5'3, we're expecting to go away.
[SPEAKER_01]: The 6'2, also going to go in an away.
[SPEAKER_02]: So 6.6?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the original rumor was 6.6 but then the Corvette C8 Grand Sport came out with a 6.7 litre V8.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and everybody said wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different number, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is a different number, but I think it's a completely different power train.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they're going to use a power train.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, but there was always kind of a relationship of kind of their premium V8 in their truck, like as far as the block design.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they're sure some components have it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I don't know, so we'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in this is still rumor, this is not a confirmation from GM.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're expecting about 475 horsepower from their larger displacement V8, which is a pretty good healthy number.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a very healthy number, but under it there's a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: So far, General Motors has done a really good job teasing that they would have a vehicle that would be comparable or even better than the Raptor and the TRX.
[SPEAKER_02]: Am I correct?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they've talked about kind of their GMC homer being their halo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that didn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes, and if you look at numbers, it's an interesting vehicle, but it's a different, it doesn't concede.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tori, it's a different class.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it really apples to grapes or something like the apples to come, quads.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a completely different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's, that's different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but everybody expected when they did the zero to, [SPEAKER_02]: 1500 which is a really good truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had great.
[SPEAKER_01]: We used to own one at TFL studio.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I broke the mirror on one too Oh, that's somebody else's fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not talk about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, anyway the point is that that truck was I was really really good Yeah, plenty of power really good, but but something was missing yeah more power You need to more power and the wide suspension stuff more suspension more power and also bigger tires, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just don't understand why general motors is like [SPEAKER_02]: didn't take the bait and go for it because there are plenty of General Motors fans who would have bought it.
[SPEAKER_02]: If throw a Corvette engine in there, you know, or something like that and all of a sudden you're, you're king of the hill.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have some good news and some maybe not so good news.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: From my perspective, because these prototypes we're talking about, you know, that they were running around everywhere, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them were captured in public with 35 age tall tires.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: That means [SPEAKER_01]: like an image you're the rendering you see here on the on the screen as well um that means a larger time it's not just about the looks although the looks are helpful right because it's it makes the truck more proportional it fills the space fills the space but you're also getting a little bit more clearance which is always thank helpful yeah um but none of the prototypes we have seen have those wide body vendors [SPEAKER_02]: Right, which is the first thing we would look at if we were looking for a TRX fighter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's really unfortunate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And look, it's I'm not saying that General Motors has to build one for you guys to go and we know that they build decent trucks and all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the bottom line is that it's sort of been promised, it's been hinted at, and they have plenty of experience, why aren't they building one?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that would be my big question for them in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there might be getting a little bit more serious in their halo department because we did see that bigger tire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I hate coal.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a different story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went out to Vegas.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it was with coal.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we were chasing the mint for a hundred together and Cole fell in love with a desert.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well he's usually he's from Swamplands and Oregon or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a real change of pace for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we saw the second story right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw an electric Sorato.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I mentioned the electricity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what was really interesting is that this had an actively adjustable DSSV Multimatic suspension.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which, you know, they have DSSV shocks, which we both agree is a fantastic suspension.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but this was, say, to active.
[SPEAKER_01]: Active.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, semi-active.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was, it was a valve that was adjusting in real time, which is basically similar to what Fox is doing with their live shocks, and what TRX is doing with their built-in.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what you're saying is that there was a switch in there or something like that, that you can actually help.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could do a mode, you could do a mode selection.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a mode selection, that which is what they didn't have before.
[SPEAKER_01]: exactly, or it would just respond to the train on itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is kind of what how the other suspension is working in the RAM.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm, this is my rumor now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm starting something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say the suspension under this truck with the semi-active DSSVs is going to transfer to the new CR2 with the V8 trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm thinking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish I could agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why can't you, we're looking at a four wheel independent suspension set up on a vehicle that's completely different in terms of its mass.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a suspicion that they're going to stick with the regular DSS piece.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please don't think that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's less expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: way and less difficult to build, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: How about this, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: How about you build a ZR2 with the standard suspension, DSSV that we're talking about that exists now, but then you can build a ZR2 plus, you know, just a extra.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, extra more expensive model, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't get general motors any ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're so bad that the naming convention is it is, give plus and have plus on everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or pro.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's zero to pro.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, like plus.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe they can create, you know, an additional level of that truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: That has the really fancy shocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like what they're doing right now with like the bison.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you said it, bison plus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bison wings.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bison, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, spicy, [SPEAKER_02]: Now, General Motors, as you mentioned earlier, they almost everything they had at the most 33-inch tires, which is always a source spot with us at least, if you thought 35s would be the way to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now they're starting to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yet, you guys went into a factory sponsor at Racing Vehicle and they have 30-7s on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so that could be a good sign.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but I think most importantly, and we'll get the Ford in RAM and Toyota in the second, I think most importantly, what GM needs to do, because we're talking about kind of like Halo stuff, but I'm sure our listeners and viewers are banging their fists right now and saying more affordability, better efficiency.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think GM cannot forget about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: So and specifically, I'm talking about efficiency [SPEAKER_01]: Ford and Toyota have hybrids.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and where is General Motors hybrid?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: They have been super super gun shy about that over the past decade plus.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did do a hybrid pick-up Chuck a while ago, but that was that was a very different thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nowadays, I mean, in terms of modern tech and terms of what we're looking at and we'll talk about the other ones in a minute General Motors has been very quiet about making their trucks hybrids [SPEAKER_02]: and you and I can attest to some of the benefits of having a hybrid pickup truck and the bottom line is that if they want to stick with efficiency.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though General Motors does build a really efficient VA, we know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They probably are going to have to up the game and sandwich in a little electric motor between the engine and the transmission like everybody else Well, I think Ford has shown the success it can have you know, they have the power boost hybrid, which is a Twinter will v6 matched with an electric motor and their hybrid system Which has other benefits [SPEAKER_02]: We used to charge our lecture cars off of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean quite literally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we power the house from it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, tools and blenders from our Garedes, you know, you name it, not that we did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, our chief editor does have a blender here, but we don't do more Garedes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course he doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course he doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you guys are unable to watch me wink at the camera, then I am, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he smoothies.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does smoothies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, of course they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been out of the swing in Colorado for a while in California.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be Margarita's without a doubt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, but going back to the thing is that having a power system like that, especially if it's reliable, which for it is proven that it's relatively reliable, I don't recall hearing any major issues about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: not well we can we can talk about a little bit some some issues but I don't think the electrical components were an issue yeah I mean they used to have you know maybe like a drive shaft issue or some of some other [SPEAKER_01]: issues but I think power train wise it's been pretty solid.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also want to thank here on the live stream here we have Ed and Bryce.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're happy to see you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy to thank you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Ed and Bryce.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, if you have comments or questions on this show, you could add them in here during the live show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we can address as many of them as possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be happy to respond to staff so we don't worry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just don't ask us about our wives.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if, oh, by the way, by the way, I also hoped for this episode to be more inclusive of the other team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have a lot to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you should probably tell them about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Mr. Truck and Roman, in case, I also, I reached out to Mr. Truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing really well, but he's traveling this week with his lovely wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so that's so he's not available.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Roman, [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's buying a new car right now, or used new car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Case is also working on tattoo on the snack.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think he's getting a tattoo, but he's working on our fan project.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if we can talk about that yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think let's just leave it out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's super secret.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's pretty secret.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I say something funny about Mr. Truck?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, real quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he called me almost three weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of all the places, I'm driving an Aston Martin what he called.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just talking about the U.S. hypercar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, that's supercar.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was all kind of what was it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was nice, really nice GT cars, the DB 12S.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like the last thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So as I'm driving you like, hey, how you doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just like, [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm driving on the 405 freeway in a really slinky car and it's just really it was it was like the universe was about to tear itself to pieces above me and whatnot It was just like two things converging.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he was doing great and he's hanging out with his new bride They've been going all over the place traveling and they're having a great time [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, because they have a big extended family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they won't have visits a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're semi-retired in that respect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, living that lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Mr. Truck will be here on the future shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, he just wasn't able to be here just today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we got that out of the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: But dude, I think, and there's not a lot of rumor about this yet, I think GM needs to have a hybrid option.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they do have a efficient diesel, that's fine, they do have an entry level engine, which is the force cylinder.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the force cylinder is rumored to have more power in the upcoming year, because right now it has three hundred and ten horsepower, which is already pretty good, but they are looking to even boost that according to some rumours, even higher.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't that be the ideal power train to make into a hybrid power train?
[SPEAKER_02]: It could be, yes, because that's what other people are doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because it combines, you know, because the electricity can propel you as well silently, if you want at times.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would take away some of that turbo lag.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a really sweet combination.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome, General Motors.
[SPEAKER_01]: General Motors, we can solve all of your problems, but at least we're here to help.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do we solve everything so far?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we just addressed some of the oven in the room with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about, what about the Jimmy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, yeah, so I don't know if you guys have noticed, but the GMC Jimmy has been rumored to make a comeback and not as a little blazer-type, conhoffled, daily driver, you know, thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that.
[SPEAKER_02]: What they're rumoring is an actual Jeep Wrangler slash Toyota 4Runner competitor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a body and frame, property on frame proper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cole, can you look up just, I mean, there's so many drawings out there now.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are tons of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: The future GMC Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we, I don't have any drawings for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: And while you're talking, well, he's bringing that up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to mention one more thing about General Motors.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe they stated that the production, once they're done with this production on their electric trucks, they're done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they're not cancelling their electric trucks right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they're going to keep going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they have no plan so far as to do like the next gen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think they could use the current electric platform for their trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: for many years to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for other projects.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like it's going to end.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a proof of nature.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they also talked about, and that was there in Michigan at the millford proving grounds, where they talked about new updating the chemistry of the batteries to more affordable chemistries and better performance.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's progressively coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think they're stopping putting the positive out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're kind of what they [SPEAKER_02]: development on next generation trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're basically pushing all their eggs into a different basket.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think GM, gosh, I mean, the Jimmy should have come out years ago, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, so we have right now a resurgence in this segment.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Bronco is back, Roman and Tommy talked about on the previous car podcast that the exteriors coming back, Hyundai is jumping in here with Kia, with Body Unframe.
[SPEAKER_02]: What General Moore's needs nation is doing more than the by the way the X-Tara.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're doing up to five vehicles on that platform So GM you got our jump in here and you got a what happened when the Bronco came out and everybody was freaking out I mean freaking out then General Motors is like oh no We're bringing back the blazer and a lot of people are like oh boy and they brought it out and you can You heard the sound from above saying what?
[SPEAKER_01]: But it wasn't body on frame, it was a unibody crossover.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was basically a station wagon, which is fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you put a different name on it, that's what I kept calling it, the B laser.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that way, I saw an electric one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it just makes even less sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: General Motors and names are terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not their vehicles are bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just their names are wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in order to do this, they have to do one thing that's so important.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it would be so simple.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you right now have these little pickup trucks and they're called the Colorado and the Canyon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we already know that the power trains are quite potent.
[SPEAKER_02]: The off-road systems are excellent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take the cab and the bed off that [SPEAKER_02]: and then take something off a jamsy terrain or something like that and shove it on there and you're done kind of and then you have an off-road or that'll directly compete with Toyota with Ford with upcoming Nissan and with Hyundai right out of the box you guys could do this in no time and I guarantee someone else's money on that yeah [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll pitch in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll pitch in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will buy dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: GM stock for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think we solved most of GM's problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, let's move on to other manufacturers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Ford.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: For this next, because really the F, the F series is the best selling name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, you know, using air quotes, because once again, if you combine numbers from G and G and G and G and G and G and G and G and G, but the F series and the F 150, they actually don't break out their sales quite clearly, but they do publish how many they produce every year and you can kind of deliver that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and these are big numbers too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the F 150 recently with the story that [SPEAKER_01]: Because F-150 usually comes out like every six or seventh year there's a new generation of the F-150 just look out to what happened That are 2015 all aluminum truck remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of broke the internet With their aluminum body trucks right and then in 2021 what just about seven years later They are the new generation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep [SPEAKER_01]: So if you add that in between 2021 and now, we would expect to see some prototypes, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the next year at least.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we haven't seen anything camouflaged from Ford as far as heavily camouflaged vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're kind of maybe slightly delaying their cycle or maybe they're better at hiding.
[SPEAKER_01]: what they're working on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would disagree because at least in the past we were able to find quite a few prototypes and test wheels especially you know some of the photographers that live in Michigan right and we see a lot of prototypes here and also California is a big spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've been focusing on if you brought that out for it, but I've seen other prototypes on there too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we haven't seen any, like, big clues about what Ford is doing, but we know this and Cole, we did a story recently about the upcoming, well, Jim Farley, the CEO of Ford.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been really vocal about kind of using what they do in motorsports and putting it back into the company.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Raptor program, so if we look up like Ford Raptor, they're really going to double [SPEAKER_02]: I think they've already started to double down if you think I mean, they have the tremor, they have the raptor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they have a big selection of vehicles and also hybrids.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're bickened into doing hybrids.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we might see a larger spread of hybrids running through more vehicles.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know for a fact that the Ford Ranger has a hybrid version sold overseas and I know they're looking at it here.
[SPEAKER_02]: That one's a plug in if I recall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, we already have a hybrid version of the Maverick, which was from the Gecko on that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now we have a four, four wheel drive slash all wheel drive version of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what we don't have is going back to the halo tricks.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have the full blown, uh, Raptor with a hybrid power train yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that might be in the future, but I think everybody satisfied with the supercharged re8.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's in the art, it's a special sense saying, can you imagine adding even more power to that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would be, I think, welcomed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everybody loves more and more power.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though I've just speaking to a lot of people in the industry, there's a big argument as How much power can you actually use versus having?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just look at the hammer ev right 1200 horsepower or so from electricity But where are you gonna use it?
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, but I always like the bigger numbers [SPEAKER_01]: yeah personally personally speaking but also i think for this maybe feeling a little bit more pressure from ram because they have the arito with 540 horsepower yep they have the TRX coming out with 777 horsepower so far they've been undercutting them with price [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Ford may be sweating just a tiny bit, making sure that they can come out with something that kind of beats ram in those segments.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I know we're not specifically talking about ram right now, but I did have our HO recently and I'd drive it around LA for a week.
[SPEAKER_02]: How was that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even that wide body, it was ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: People hated that I was driving near them.
[SPEAKER_02]: The exhaust note, it takes them getting me as to honestly, it's a bit of a quiz and art.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was a hoot to drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: That thing had so much power on reserve.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I did light off roading with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really felt bad that I didn't get a chance to bash it, because I just know it could take it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the suspension.
[SPEAKER_02]: Might be the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: blend of off-road and on-road suspension.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have ever tested.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's remarkably good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but we'll talk about that a little bit later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that I think that's pressuring forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly my point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree a hundred percent because if you look at the EcoBoost Raptor F-15 right now, it's listed at 450 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_01]: Round has moved up, you know, they've moved on to 540 and, you know, the T-Rex has more power now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and the T-Rex is coming in the summer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just within a, what a couple of months from now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to be a really loud, snarle V8, which will compete against for its loud snarle V8.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like I said, we're not seeing any prototypes, which is a little bit bothersome.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for the recently made a statement that they're kind of restructure their interior and internal teams, they're bringing new type of thinking to the company because they had a skunk work team led by some engineers they hired from different companies including Tesla.
[SPEAKER_02]: They put a lot of time and money into electrification and then they had to back away from that but they also learned a lot of lessons while doing it So there's a lot of research out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I do think that that's going to lead into their next-gen hybrid pickup trucks Which may or may not be pluggin.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting people aren't are taking some of the Onus off of the whole plug-in thing now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's just starting to realize that hybrids can be reliable and Can actually be very beneficial [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, including current fuel prices, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a special thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't have to explain that to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're coming from Los Angeles area.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's been very difficult.
[SPEAKER_01]: You sent me a picture of the gas station.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, and to be fair, and I even put a note on that, stating that that gas station was well over a dollar more than most gas stations.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it exists.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a real gas station.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a real gas station.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's downtown.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's right by my favorite sandwich shop.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it's also by union station.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not far from about Dodgers' station.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was, but regular fuel was over $7 a gallon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think diesel was somewhere in your eight bucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: For the United States, it's unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those people who are listening to her from the UK, they're laughing right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like, ha!
[SPEAKER_02]: You have no idea, lad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to sell my kidney and two of my children in order to fill up my tank on my I'm my geometro No, they don't have geometro Sorry, sorry, sorry, I have to tell you My Lori [SPEAKER_02]: A stupidly expensive over there, that I know for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have been spoiled over the decades.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're still spoiled.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, it's still reasonable when you look at other prices around the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that should, you know, would geopolitical things happening in the way they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: There may be some changes in the future, and hopefully we'll come down.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's been nice to have better efficiency in your truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no doubt.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like more range.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, it would be great, and this is one thing that is a big benefit with the Ford and some other vehicles that use hybrid systems, instead of having what's just roughly a 300-mile range, give or take a little change there, having like a 500-600-mile range would be awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: And current for this trucks are really good at this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean all all of 150s now have 36 gallon tanks Which is great not many people do exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you combine it with you know Let's say gentle driving maybe not very aggressive driving you could e-cout six hundred miles already from a lot of those trucks That's really so so that's really great especially on a road trip where you want to cross maybe [SPEAKER_01]: maybe you're coming up on in the middle of nowhere, a really expensive gas station, maybe you want to skip it and go a little bit further.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, you can actually gauge where the cheap price is that you want to get to.
[SPEAKER_02]: As opposed to just, I have to go here because I'm out of gas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Ford really is, right now they're offering three different power chains.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember they're diesel on their mid-sized trucks, or sorry on their, on their full-sized truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're just sticking with, [SPEAKER_01]: three power trains on the F-150 and my correct no four because it's two different yeah they well okay you have a two seven V6 right you have the V8 five liter right you have the three five twin turbo right you've got the hybrid which is the fourth one and then you have of course a supercharged the raptor r raptor r right so that's right so they still have a lot of engine options they do yeah they do but I mean it's rather specific to the
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, if you go into the Ranger, Ranger has a few different engine options too.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll have a V6 turbo, a fourth turbo, and then they have a beefier V6 turbo, like the three leaders, like their Raptor turbo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they have that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Kudos to Ford for having more options than any other automaker that I can think of.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the Maverick technically has two different power trains as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, the turbo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Ford and we haven't even touched the heavy duties much.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, which we could, because there's a lot of rumors about the whole podcast on its own.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, that's why we need Mr. Trucker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: because there's rumors about 8.3 litre durmaxes and 8 litre power strokes and 7.2 litre giant commons engines.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean a lot of my friends like Jeremiah has been you know, I spoke to him last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, tell me more about the 8 litre power stroke.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I wish I could tell you, but right now it's all speculation, and then I can't tell you much about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and we're still back and forth with Allison transmissions and all that other stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whether or not they're going to be coming back and ace in and all that other stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of questions out there that we just simply don't have the answers to when it comes to the heavy duty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just wish we could do like a show where we look at the spec sheet from the manufacturer right we could go line by line line by line and actually talk about all this stuff yeah, and I know a lot of you guys who are heavy duty lovers out there You know what I mean you guys agree as well because it is really a factor on paper whether not you're able to actually tell that heavy load exactly [SPEAKER_01]: Brice has a comment for us here on a live chat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you convinced Roman to pre-order diesel powerwagon yet?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well trust me, Brice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for the question.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, it's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trust me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Case who is on our team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, has been trying desperately every week he brings it up with Roman and when every brings it up Roman runs out and buys a new old car [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like his way of saying, no, I just spent our deposit on some other car that's next to useless.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Bryce, do not worry.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a plan, because we've been lucky, I mean recently, we've had several vehicles that we were able to get them for more than a week.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we had some long-term loans from Honda, for example, where the bridge line, you kind of missed out on some of the switch line stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, we've had several vehicles that we can have for more than a month, let's say.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have an annual's growing a deer right now for like a month and a half.
[SPEAKER_02]: Funny thing about that vehicle is that that's the one that I drove in California.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, did you drive this year?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's exactly... No, I should have.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have probably saved them some bucks, but yeah, so I think what you're saying is that we're still going to get the loan of that vehicle coming sooner rather than buying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we will have a diesel power wagon.
[SPEAKER_01]: If not in our fleet for a longer term, but for sure, at least for a couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm willing to bet we can probably pull together some sort of event with Ram, and it convinced them, hey, we need to drive this back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because that saves them dull and it saves them time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll produce a whole love driving cross country.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's absolutely, especially in electric cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, he's like a cross country dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we're being funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can't wait to hear people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because we forced them to do... Was it many times that you went cross-country and once the last day?
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually twice if you consider the I8 that you had to drive?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the I8 that you had to drive with Roman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there are tens of people who watch that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yes, we are going to get our hands on it, and we may be able to get our hands on it for a longer term.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so for for enthusiasts has a comment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and also Sean is here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Sean But for for enthusiasts says how about kind of a copo option From the dealer may be on the Ford Ranger where you can get a more base one with a with a spicy engine like the three liter Raptor engine So that's quite an interesting [SPEAKER_01]: which would not be very difficult for a manufacturer to do, although they do have to do a certain crash, you know, regulations, they have to comply with a lot of different things.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there would be a, they would have to find a return on their investment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure there's enough people out there that would buy that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you though, it would be cool to see that not just in that field, well there's so many other vehicles that I would love to see them stuff various power trains into, and turn them into real monsters.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'll be awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's also a resurgence in, like, the street truck, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we've seen the Lobo, we've seen the Lobo, we have right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen, so RAM is working with, like, fucks factory on certain packages that colonize.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're going to call that the Grande Gato.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... the grand day uh... uh... the tequito no i actually prefering to a cat as opposed to food item trying to yeah it's to say no no we're just we did a test of the dc650 the first story uh... which is a supercharged hammy five seven street truck which you could buy at your dealership so there's also a resurgence in these lowered actually in case of this ram actually pretty lowered
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like two inches down on the back or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, so what Ford did with the Lobo, they lowered the rear two inches and the front.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's still a level truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's still kind of high.
[SPEAKER_01]: What ram did with this package, the DC 650, is they lowered the rear by four inches and the front by two.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the whole thing sets.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a well, judging by you being next to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why doesn't have that name 650?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the horsepower number.
[SPEAKER_01]: 650 horsepower him in that thing yeah you know what was the worst part of this test drive the engine wasn't broken in oh so I was like driving like a grandfather yeah I mean I couldn't I couldn't rev the engine and I couldn't accelerate hard I would have done both of those and gotten in trouble so it's better you there than me [SPEAKER_01]: Well, usually, I like to philosophy of asking for forgiveness, but not in this case, because the dealer said, if something happens, then you kind of buy the truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's yours.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's also $90,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that one, does there a four-wheel drive system in there?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, four-wheel drive, all-wheel drive in this truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot of extra weight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't you want, if you're going to get a street truck, wouldn't you want to just have a rear drive truck?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then you're going to be melting your rear tires.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everywhere you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: With 650 horsepower, no weight in the back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's basically a modern hell community on my friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: with a 454 the same idea there you go yeah well so so there is also this resurgence right some street trucks are coming and i wonder what you've jiam is gonna jump on this wagon yeah cause for all of it and so now you have rams doing it yeah so the questions general motors and have they done that in the past in the answers yes they have well they had a similar assess right yeah and it was the 454 yes and that was a little beast it was a really fun [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then they did another SS.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember they extended the cap as well with all wheel drive?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was also interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was actually a really beefy truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they have a history of doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the question is, would they consider ringing that back?
[SPEAKER_02]: We keep going back to General Motors because there's a deep well of potential, of potential, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what are we at?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Ford, [SPEAKER_01]: We could almost put a bow on it almost because I think they're doing quite well right now I mean, they've had huge problems with one of their aluminum plant that supplies them with aluminum You had a fire, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So they had difficulty with logistics there They have developed difficulty with recalls on a lot of their truck quite a few recalls, but but still I mean, I think I think they're in the right path as far as I can see, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're really going there [SPEAKER_02]: I would agree, and in addition, you know, and I keep coming back to this with recalls because I get this question a lot, I don't necessarily look at recalls as a bad thing where I was a lot of other people perhaps do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of with you on this because they're taking care of it as opposed to trying to hide it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The word ignoring it, for example.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is what Ford has done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, everybody's done it before at one point in time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys recall hearing about the explorer and the firestone tires and all that, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, [SPEAKER_02]: And the reality is, is that when you ignore something and eventually people start having to pay what their lives, then class action lawsuits kick in, everything gets horrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or you take care of it right away, do the big recall, swallow your pride, bring those vehicles back, fix them, get them out there so they no longer cause a problem, which is what I think is a good thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think we see a lot more of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some recalls, you know what we should, I hope somebody does.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we could try you and I could try this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like a color coding of the severity of a recall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where it goes from green, where it's like, oh, it's a software update where you could do overnight.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it doesn't, it's not a huge problem, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: to you must replace your engine tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the red would be extreme.
[SPEAKER_02]: The engine has to go and be replaced, you know, the oil cooler apparently somehow it started hooking up into the water.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of fuel on to the transmission and then the flow.
[SPEAKER_02]: The purple slide, you're going to have a, like a, any sun, you know, milkshake milkshake, that was a, yeah, milkshake is coming out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was pink milkshake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, so there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's different severity of recalls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Should we go into Ram now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's do Ram.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's look a little bit further at Ram.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, gosh, I think they're bringing the Hemie back, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Hemie Ram 1500 is back and it seems to be successful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like they're improving their sales, you know, it's really working for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: but what's the engine actually improved?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's my issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same engine basically with an e-torque system and it's the same engine, it's a 5'7, same horsepower, same torque, so I have some issues, I have some issues.
[SPEAKER_01]: The hurricane engines are amazing, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the hurricane engine, fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are still, I mean, like you mentioned, they're not sounding the best.
[SPEAKER_01]: but the smoothness, power, torque, some efficiency, even.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all of it is quite good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really is a worthy, they put their time into that engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also their electric truck is also being a little bit pushed back, their E-REV, which is a range extended electric truck is pushed back just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of the same story.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're seeing electrification being pushed back for several manufacturers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I have a guest to that, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of them are pulling back a little bit and looking at the drawing board, only because there's new battery chem coming, and I think that they would rather than do the investment, where they're putting an LPG or whatever, that they're going to wait for this new stuff to come out, which was relatively soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it's a good promise, then they'll be able to help themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my guest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's better chemistry, there's different suppliers for motors or maybe some, I just, you know what, what sucks is like, sometimes you see a story in you don't know if it's real.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to verify and verify and verify and verify.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because I saw a story yesterday about a different type of motor being developed without raw earth materials in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know whether to believe it or not, but I think that's happening a lot of iteration and like development basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's stuff that, you know, it helps for them to have occasional little buzz clips popping out.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's people know that they're serious about this stuff, but at the same time without any definite like, yeah, where we're actually building this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that brings us, I think, to RAM because they've got a lot going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but also this should have more going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, because I think you would agree, because their RAM, heavy duty lineup, their cap has been the same for about 15 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a little bit more cramped in there than some other competitors.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe not quite the safe as some other competitors, because competitors have more modern structures in there and more modern materials.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wish that would redo their heavy duty lineup a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree 100 percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: For example, the diesel power wagon is amazing, but dude, it's rolling on 20s.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's up with that?
[SPEAKER_02]: They have to fix that part.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now look, they finally listened to us and they put like, uh...
[SPEAKER_02]: Big, beefy, turbo diesel inside of the Ram Powerwagon.
[SPEAKER_02]: As opposed to it being a Ram Rebel Heavy Duty or whatever, it was called before, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's huge that they've done that, they also have to acknowledge, oh wait, it wasn't just about the weight, please, it was never about the weight.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now that they're there, have they made the tires for the Powerwagon larger because they were pretty small, they were like 33's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the new diesel power wagon, because it has a larger diameter wheel, the wheel the tire is now about 34 inches, which is a little bit bigger, but sidewall dude, sidewall.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want more sidewall, you need a tire.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about 35?
[SPEAKER_01]: 35 should be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not rocket science.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I say that, but it's a little bit harder for them to do it, but for this doing it with the tremor, heavy duty, super duty.
[SPEAKER_01]: GM is doing it, but there's zero to's.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is the point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're going toe to toe with some of these vehicles and yet Ford has slightly better tire setups I think in their trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wonder how much [SPEAKER_01]: Still on this roll down a lot of kind of expenses and you know losing a little bit of money a lot of money So so I wonder how much capital they have to invest into new products.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just a little bit worried But right now they're doing okay as far as they're hemming coming back Reinvesting in the TRAX Still doing okay still a lot to straight out said recently and it was an interview that went through What are the odd journals over in Detroit?
[SPEAKER_02]: that they are not only sticking with Ram and Jeep and even Fiat, but they're actually going to be committing even more resources to those divisions.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're primary brands.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they're winners.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're the winners of the overall worldwide.
[SPEAKER_02]: other via a dodge will still get some money, some other ones will too, but really it's going to go to Jeep and Ram for what you're important for what we like to do exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's good news.
[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully they can really upgrade their heavy duty tracks and then continue maybe with more hybrids too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that brings us down to a vehicle that they're not currently building and they could be building.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you talking about Dakota?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What the hell do we have to wait?
[SPEAKER_01]: Seriously?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you and I were here six years ago waiting for the coder here.
[SPEAKER_02]: More than six years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first time they talked about something like the Dakota coming back was way back when Sergio was running fiat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's been a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it was like a couple years before he retired.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was talking about, yeah, we want to get a small truck in the market.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is worth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know it's coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: They said it's coming, but it's cannot arrive fast enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, if you want to be competitive, you have to be competitive with each vehicle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not to mention the fact that we're talking mid-size.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not even talking about small pickups, which they have to have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, we've neglected with forward to talk about Maverick.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not much to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a successful little car.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's successful, but [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, they sold down their growth, but still they're selling while quite what because they're nearly $30,000 stone stock [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the price on the Maverick continued to climb.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the neat competition.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a $19,900 truck when it came out, the base base model, and that immediately changed.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's like a 28,000 almost.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, which I think is a terrible idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: So everybody, everybody, other automakers need to build something that competes and fully undercuts that vehicle by a significant margin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so Tommy G is here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hey, Tommy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tommy, hey, hello.
[SPEAKER_01]: Late to the stream, but hopefully you're still alive.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are.
[SPEAKER_01]: My questions for Andre have you decided on your next track?
[SPEAKER_01]: We kind of mentioned a little bit that I'm pausing my search because I'm not super psyched about what's available right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also some of the other things going on in our lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about our daughter's graduating, my graduates, high school, your Nathan's graduates, college.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we were doing some a lot of family stuff as well, but I really want to see what GM is doing with their new Solerados, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I really want to see what Ford is doing with their new electric mid-size or I'm really curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you've owned a Ford product, you've owned a General Motors product.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on the taundra right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: You in a taundra.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, you've had a lot of tundra experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You haven't had a whole lot of... Jeeper Ram.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the launch is expected.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've really looked hard at the Ram 1500 Warlock.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really liked that truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: I even looked at the gladiator because... Fun, you know, remove the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remove the doors.
[SPEAKER_02]: is still on just right for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people find that still on just can really some cramps, but at the same time, there may be some chafing.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're still on this last longer than four hours, call a doctor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know what, I really could appreciate a three liter hurricane, the ram.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though it doesn't, maybe not the best sounding engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it could be a great engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: But once again, I want to pause just a little bit for GM and Ford and some others to announce more plans.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is, yeah, and that is, that's the whole reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's the whole, that's the whole.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to answer your question, Tommy, G about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the, so we're running a little bit long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we need to hit Toyota.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you sounded in some ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but it is a V8 that they're developing for their car and for Lexus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, they are bringing back a V8 and they did build a very good V8 before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so, Cole, we did do a story about some rumors about a potential, I don't want to say, Raptor Tier X fighter.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, oh, that's what I remember that you're a hammer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hammer, that was it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the hammer to your autonomy?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hammer time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the name has been kind of rumored not official, but it could be a little bit more white body, big tire truck, which is more off road like Halo truck, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how you bring the customers in, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly not buy it, but they maybe will buy something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this isn't the first time that they've hinted at having a super tundra.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've hinted before it doing it, but this time we're hearing a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And right now, Toyota really needs to work on their tundra's image because frankly, I think it's hurt, been hurt with their engine recall, which was a horrible response.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the big way, it was one of the worst years still happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's still something that's going to take me a long time to cycle through all these Right there were a lot that were sold.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and but we know it's a decent truck It is but with those problems that Toyota's had there's plenty of people are like why am I gonna pay for this When I can just look over at what Ford's building and I know that it's going to be you know Oh ram or who ram or exactly really anybody [SPEAKER_02]: and so that's really hurt them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they need to bring the people back.
[SPEAKER_02]: They need to create excitement, which is something that TRD and Toyota and the owners and the headhunter's Toyota have been pushing for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to build any more boring vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we had actually to your engineer on this podcast just a couple of weeks back doing a deep dive into their their doing desert racing in the desert series with a production level Tundra that they put bigger tires on so they're working on this yeah so so some excitement is here Tacoma I mean it's a success for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean I don't need to say anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I recently had the, um, what was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: The TRD to come and then I had a, um, trail hunter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, four runner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, with a whistle on top of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I tell you if I need to start?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have time for that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, I, I like to drive by windows open if it's not raining.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I'm not that type of guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trust me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes Nathan is I love the windows of the go through my hair anyway, so I did that This is after like three days of owning or owning of driving the vehicle Which I was driving it in the rain and LA rain and whatever so find like it to unroll the windows And I'm driving through my neighborhood and I hear you know [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm thinking who's the stupid kid around me in the slammed infinity or or be in W3 series something like that because LA they're going to slam the car.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to screw around the blow off and make it sound super loud even though it's not going to be any faster And this is what I'm used to so I'm driving through my neighborhood and I'm looking at my rearview Marin.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking for the little punk [SPEAKER_02]: And you're gonna shake your face.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was I was gonna shake more than my face because I just like it's so loud He's right by me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where is he?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm meanwhile I'm accelerating and de-accelerating and the thing and because it has a snorkel That snorkel actually makes things super super loud Well because it's next to the window on the passenger side [SPEAKER_02]: it is and so I was able to hear it and that was what I was hearing.
[SPEAKER_02]: This thing was stupid loud and it was in an awesome obnoxious teenager way because once I figured out that I was doing it which I laughed at myself because I'm an idiot then I had to put my wife in there and leave the windows open and so as she's driving or as I'm driving I was sort of accelerating and then letting off when she would say something so it'd be one of those things where she's yelling at me and then you're all sorry didn't hear that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh sorry didn't hear that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was great and it was also really fast, but the point is is that Toyota with that hybrid system that they have and the turbo has a monster engine plant or power train in their smaller vehicles, but it doesn't translate to the bigger one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and also, to your general with their pickup trucks, they have hybrids, but not really efficient hybrids in their truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not really, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they have efficiency in their other car divisions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, crazy efficiency.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they didn't translate it to the truck because they talked about power, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they could do better.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, really.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I look at that compared to something like a Nissan Frontier.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you're looking at the Toyota Tacoma, even the regular Toyota Tacoma without the hybrid system, they're pretty close to each other in terms of efficiency numbers, and the Nissan doesn't do anything special.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a big displacement V6, and it's a 3.8 liter in the Nissan, and by the way, Nissan, I mean the frontier did the R version, which is kind of a little bit more lifted, which is good, because I've complained before and about the clearance issue, and it's one of the biggest issues it had.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they've solved that, but they didn't quite solve the, maybe the halo, they don't have a true halo frontier, and of course the Titan is discontinued.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they have a twin turbocharged V6.
[SPEAKER_02]: They stuffed inside the Ramada that would fit in there, and I talked to their engineers, and they all of them said the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sure it's doable, but they never said, yeah, we'll do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know, but Nissan is also financially struggling a little bit right now, because to much to do it, and it would be awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be over 400 horsepower overnight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of Nissan, we have news, because you and I are going to be traveling to the over the next boat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Flagstaff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, one of my favorite places.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, one of the places where we've driven many ramps, [SPEAKER_01]: But we're going to be hanging out with some Nissan folk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talking maybe a little bit about the X-Tera up coming in X-Tera.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm going to bother them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And driving Pro Forex vehicles everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're currently driving a Nissan Pathfinder Rock Creek edition.
[SPEAKER_02]: that is correct and we had a chance to do some light row off-roading with it but I've done that before with the rock creek condition by the way I like the way they drive there no they're not the most powerful they're pretty powerful one of the things about the rock creek though is that it is a pretty good bargain when you compare it against other vehicles and have the more off-rody packages [SPEAKER_02]: with the tires and a little bit of a lift or you know extra little goodies here and there that one is a little bit cheaper than many of the competitors and some ways it's actually a lot cheaper than some of them and you still got to beef you these six and the night speed is decent and uh i thought the interior was great and it was fun car to drive
[SPEAKER_01]: And Tommy G agrees, Tommy G, he owns a 2023 Titan Pro Forex, which is one of our favorite trucks as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Except Nissan did not do a really good job with Cummins, you know, the Cummins was problematic.
[SPEAKER_01]: That whole thing is such a debacle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so let's not talk about that debacle.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the V8 gas titan is actually a solid truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of my neighbors and my neighborhood owns one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then another neighbor who's right behind me, he owns a first gen titan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I like the first genge on Titan a lot, especially when I kind of like the extra cab as opposed to the crew cab I thought the design was really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the king.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought it was a really clean design And I truly wanted one something about just the way that it's designed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was awesome A lot of stuff to talk about with that one So that would probably be a whole different podcast in itself, but [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, gone, even though Nissan does have the ability to bring it back in theory, right now they're concentrating on bringing body on frame SUVs to the market.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to me, that's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it may mean that they might be looking at some other trucks in the future, other pickup trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think when they said exteriors coming back and it's going to create five other or total of five vehicles on body and frame, I think they hinted that one of them, I mean, this is my perception, is one of them is the next gen front here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Possibly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think that's coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they also have the new range extended electric, says hybrids, you have several different hybrids system.
[SPEAKER_01]: And power.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that could be interesting in the truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would be interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how will that work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, it would be interesting to find out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in addition, did you know that they were talking about basically building a second pathfinder?
[SPEAKER_02]: So they have the regular one, which is a body, regular body.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's [SPEAKER_02]: It was a regular antibody, and then having another one, which is body on frame, but essentially having them the same vehicle in terms of interior space and whatnot and segment where they live in the segment, and that would be interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't quite know why they would do that, but the most important part is the exterer, body on frame, possibly solid rear axle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not 100% sure if they're going to go that way, or if they're going to go for an independent rear suspension, because if you look at the competition, there's a little bit of both.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the frontier has a solid-error axis.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they could use that, I think, agreed, but they also have an independent rear suspension setup that's available to them in the Armada.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you end the pathfinder.
[SPEAKER_01]: The current pathfinder.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but that's a little bit more likely.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a front-wheel drive bias vehicle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about having a solid, big, medium-solid, a medium axle in the back, and you could just plug it right in from the Armada.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be done, but there's excitement there.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of excitement there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think we have a really exciting couple of years coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think starting even maybe the summer will drive the TRAX, will drive some of the other vehicles that are coming up, and then we'll learn more and more and more as we continue, and there should be a kind of exciting couple of years.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm wondering about the audience that's listening to this now and later, what do you guys think?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what are you looking forward to in the future?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're looking forward to less regulation and more of this, you know, bigger V-AIDS and, you know, no more death and all that other stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you looking forward to hybrid systems and cleaner engines and cleaner power trains?
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of curious to what you guys think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really curious.
[SPEAKER_01]: We always read our comments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and also I think most of us are still curious about lower prices.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, or maybe consistent prices, not prices that, you know, continue to increase.
[SPEAKER_02]: 100,000 dollar pickup trucks just doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we all want one, but this is a Ford one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so the realistic pickup said the regular people can use that are, oh, I don't know, some of the affordable nowadays, that would be nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by affordable, it could mean 50 grand, even.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know, I know those are big numbers, but this is what we're looking at these days.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm hoping for a little bit less on that, but we'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, once again, thanks for joining me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, great to have you here.
[SPEAKER_01]: My pleasure, brother.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, we had a lot of fun, we had a lot of commenters and live audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, we really appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, we'll see you next week, and also check out Altia Fell, and just search up Nathan Adland, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you have...
[SPEAKER_01]: Other stuff going on too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you have your hands in many different outlets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Adios Amigos is great seeing you guys again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will be back here at some other point in time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, well, still teeth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: You and I are going to collaborate at Flagstaff over the next poll.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's just a couple weeks away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, overlanded West.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll expose West.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, far out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
About this episode
The hosts map out where full-size trucks are headed, starting with why pickups remain central profit engines for automakers and then moving into spy-shot speculation for 2027 and beyond. GM gets a lot of attention, from rumored new V8s and a possible hybrid gap to ideas for a body-on-frame off-road SUV. Ford and Ram are used as benchmarks for powertrain variety, performance trims, and pricing pressure, while the conversation keeps circling back to affordability and what buyers will actually pay.
Live from the studio (and back from the sunny shores of LA), Nathan joins Andre to take a deep dive into the high-stakes world of the "Big Three." With truck revenue driving the entire industry, getting the 2027 models right isn't just about pride—it's about survival. From GM’s rumored V8 resurgence to Ford’s secret skunkworks projects, we’re looking at what’s coming to a dealer lot near you.
We also take a trip down memory lane to the "Rebel Rouser" days in Vegas, discuss why Nathan wants to drive a slow military rig through Beverly Hills to spite G-Wagen owners, and tackle the "User Error" debate regarding modern tech. Are we losing the simplicity that made trucks great, or is the 777-hp future worth the complexity?
