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COULD CRASH TESTS BE KELLY'S NEXT MICRO-HOBBY?

COULD CRASH TESTS BE KELLY'S NEXT MICRO-HOBBY?

The Carpool with Kelly and Lizz May 20, 2026 52 min
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About this episode

Kelly and Lizz kick off with personal updates, then pivot into a deep conversation about IIHS crash testing and the 2026 Top Safety Pick reshuffle. They explain how the program works, why the updated moderate overlap test is tougher (including a 40 mph barrier test), and how front crash prevention and rear-seat protection factor in. The hosts also discuss why five-star ratings can be driver-focused, how child restraints change the picture, and why third-row testing isn’t planned.

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crashworthiness tests

"And so we use the top safety pick program... But it also is important for the automakers to really push them with those new really difficult tests."

Crashworthiness tests are safety tests that check how well a car protects people during a crash. The idea is to measure real protection, not just how the car looks or drives.

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top safety pick

"And so we use the top safety pick program. One is a way to kind of bundle up all of our ratings into an easy to understand way for consumers to pick vehicles."

“Top Safety Pick” is a safety award label for cars. It means the car did well in crash tests, and it’s designed to be easier to understand than reading every single test score.

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updated moderate overlap test

"So the first thing we did is we required a good rating for updated moderate overlap test in order to get the base level top safety pick. And so that is the test where we are running a vehicle into a barrier at 40 miles per hour. And we have a driver in the driver's seat"

This is a crash test where the car hits a barrier with only part of its front end, not the whole width. The goal is to mimic real-world crashes more closely, and it’s done at 40 mph with a driver in the seat.

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rear occupant crash testing

"And that test is the the rear. Adding the rear occupant has been a real challenge for some of the automakers, vehicles."

This is a safety test focused on people riding in the back seat. It checks whether the car does a good job protecting them in a crash, not just the front passengers.

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front crash prevention test

"we added a crash, our updated front crash prevention test to the top safety pick plus award. So you needed to get a good or acceptable in that new front crash prevention test in order to get a top safety pick plus."

This test checks whether the car’s safety tech can help prevent a crash from happening in the first place. If the car doesn’t do well, it may not qualify for the highest safety award level.

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automatic emergency braking

"we are making sure vehicles can identify and break or warn for vehicles at higher speeds and motorcycles and truck trailers. So thinking about automatic emergency breaking, not just for other passenger vehicles,"

Automatic emergency braking is the car’s safety feature that can brake by itself if it thinks a crash is about to happen. It’s designed to either prevent the crash or make it less severe.

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higher-speed AEB evaluation

"we are making sure vehicles can identify and break or warn for vehicles at higher speeds and motorcycles and truck trailers."

Evaluating crash prevention at higher speeds is important because braking distance grows quickly with speed. Systems that work well at low speeds may not perform as reliably when there’s less time to detect, react, and stop.

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third row crash testing

"So at this point, we don't have plans to do third row crash testing. I will say when we when we developed the ratings program,"

This is crash testing for the people sitting in the back-most seats of a vehicle. It’s important because those seats don’t get as much real-world crash data, so it can be harder to design tests that match what actually happens.

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crash data

"we did a whole deep dive into the field data. One of the things that's really hard to study is what happens in second and third row in the real world crash data"

Crash data is information from real accidents. Safety organizations use it to figure out what kinds of crashes and injuries are most common, so their testing can better match real life.

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ratings program

"when we developed the ratings program, we did a whole deep dive into the field data. ... to design a crash test."

A “ratings program” is how an organization turns safety testing and real crash information into a score you can compare across vehicles. They’re explaining that the data they find influences which parts of the car they focus on.

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rear seated occupants

"Is what happens in second and third row in the real world crash data because occupancy is so low in the rear seat? ... about 12 percent of crashes have rear seated occupants."

This means the people riding in the back seats. Safety testing has to consider them too, because injuries can be different depending on where someone is sitting—and there are fewer rear-seat crashes to study.

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occupancy

"because occupancy is so low in the rear seat? ... occupancy is more around like maybe 12 percent of vehicles out on the road"

Here, “occupancy” means how often people are actually sitting in those seats. If not many people ride in the back, there are fewer crashes to study for the back seats, which makes testing harder to design.

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Buick Enclave

"But explain to me how in 26 the Buick Enclave made the list... So interesting that the Enclave, though, that is basically the same car as the Acadia did make it."

The Buick Enclave is a family SUV with three rows of seats. Here, they’re talking about how it did on crash-test style rankings compared with a closely related SUV.

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Buick Acadia

"In 25 the Acadia and the Traverse made the list... So give me an example that Acadia, you said, was one that no longer made the list."

The Buick Acadia is a family SUV with three rows. In this discussion, it’s about why its crash-test ranking changed from one year to the next.

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Chevrolet Traverse

"In 25 the Acadia and the Traverse made the list... But then in 26 the Acadia and the Traverse didn't make the list."

The Chevrolet Traverse is a three-row midsize SUV from Chevrolet, sharing a lot of underpinnings with other GM family SUVs. In this segment, it’s mentioned alongside the Acadia as a model that did (and then didn’t) meet the updated crash-test “list” criteria.

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airbag

"So is that a level of like they have a different airbag, a different seat belt?"

An airbag is a safety device that inflates quickly in a crash to help protect your body. They’re suggesting that two similar cars might have different airbag setups, which can change safety results.

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seat belt

"So is that a level of like they have a different airbag, a different seat belt?"

A seat belt is the main safety strap that keeps you from being thrown forward in a crash. The discussion is about whether two similar cars might have different seat-belt setups that affect crash-test scores.

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rear passenger

"So it would be 100 percent related to what's happening in the rear seat... It was really 100 percent related to that rear passenger."

They’re focusing on how safe the back seat is. The back seat can behave differently in a crash, so the testing looks at rear-seat protection specifically.

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vehicle structure held up

"The vehicle structure held up. It was really 100 percent related to that rear passenger."

In crash testing, “vehicle structure held up” refers to how well the body and frame resist collapse and maintain occupant space. Strong structural performance helps reduce the forces transmitted to occupants and can work alongside restraint systems like seat belts.

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lap belt

"what happened in the Acadia is that the lap belt pulled up over the pelvis into the abdomen... And so it was something we specifically put in this test to make sure that automakers are optimizing for keeping that seat belt on the pelvis."

A lap belt is the part of the seat belt that goes across your hips. In crash testing, they check whether it stays on the hips or slides up toward the stomach.

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submarining

"which is a phenomenon we call submarining. And that is something that is really, really tricky."

Submarining is when the lap belt slips upward in a crash. Instead of staying low on the hips, it rides toward the belly, which can be more dangerous.

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Volkswagen Atlas

"because if I remember correctly, in 23 to 24 the Atlas finally made the list. The reason the Atlas made the list was because they changed their headlights."

The Volkswagen Atlas is a big family SUV with three rows. Here, they’re talking about how it showed up on a crash-test “list” after the company changed something on the car—headlights—so the results weren’t just about how it handles a crash.

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Infiniti QX80

"And the only full size SUV, full size in my world is the QX80 and the Nissan Armada."

The Infiniti QX80 is a full-size SUV referenced as one of the only full-size options in the discussion. The hosts are contrasting it against the absence of minivans in the crash-test “list,” which frames how different body styles perform in specific test scenarios.

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Nissan Armada

"And the only full size SUV, full size in my world is the QX80 and the Nissan Armada."

The Nissan Armada is a full-size SUV mentioned alongside the Infiniti QX80. It’s used to highlight that, in the crash-test “list” being discussed, minivans are notably absent while only a couple of full-size SUVs are represented.

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child restraints

"Outcomes for belted occupants are actually problematic for installing child restraints. Like there are some tradeoffs there."

Child restraints are the car seats you use for babies and kids. Crash tests check whether the seat and seat belt hold the child in the right position during a crash.

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rear seat tradeoffs

"And so the backseat is all about tradeoffs. It's all about how you're going to balance the needs of everybody who needs to be back there."

Rear seat tradeoffs means the back seat has to do several jobs at once. Designers have to balance adult seat-belt safety with making sure child car seats can be installed correctly.

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Nissan Pathfinder

"...ciate your perspective. But if like if the Nissan Pathfinder can do it, if the Nissan Pathfinder can get a top..."

The Nissan Pathfinder is a larger SUV with three rows of seats, meant for carrying people and gear. It’s built for everyday driving but also for trips where you need more space. The podcast is likely mentioning it as an example of an SUV that can handle bigger needs.

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Honda Odyssey

"Come on, yeah, Odyssey, come on. What's crazy about you look at because the Kia Carnival is on the list, right?"

They bring up the Honda Odyssey as another vehicle that can do well in safety testing. The takeaway is that its rear-seat setup can support the kind of restraint performance crash tests look for.

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Kia Carnival

"What's crazy about you look at because the Kia Carnival is on the list, right? ... OK, your Kia Sorento is and your Kia Carnival can be."

They mention the Kia Carnival as another minivan that can earn strong safety ratings. The discussion is about whether the back seat can be designed to work well with seat belts and child seats.

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Kia Sorento

"... on the list, right? The key. No, no, no, the Kia Sorento. OK, your Kia Sorento is and your Kia Carnival ca..."

The Kia Sorento is a family-sized SUV that can carry several people, usually with three rows depending on the version. It’s meant for normal driving and practical errands, but it can also work for road trips. The podcast mentions it as one of the vehicles being considered.

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anchorage places

"But some of them are more involved like changing locations of anchorage places for the, you know,"

Anchorage places are the built-in attachment points where seat belts (and child-seat hardware) bolt to the car. Moving them usually requires more than just swapping parts—it can mean redesigning the seat area.

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full model change

"So if you have something that will be phasing out and you'll be getting a full model change in a newer vehicle, maybe you put your engineering focus on that full model change versus trying to do a Band-Aid solution in in the older vehicle."

A “full model change” is when a car gets a bigger redesign. Instead of quick fixes, engineers can rethink the layout so things like seats and safety restraints work better together.

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stow and go

"That they're trying to accommodate, removing seeds, stow and go, magic slide."

“Stow and go” is a minivan feature where the back seats fold down and disappear into the floor. It’s meant to make cargo space easier, but it can affect how child seats and seat belts fit.

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magic slide

"That they're trying to accommodate, removing seeds, stow and go, magic slide."

“Magic slide” is a minivan feature where a rear seat can slide to make it easier to get to the back. It can also change how you place and secure a child car seat.

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car seat friendly design

"you know, if they're designing it to be really car seat friendly and the car seat is keeping the children safe, like in the."

“Car seat friendly” means the car is designed to help you install a child car seat correctly. The goal is to make it easier to buckle it in tightly so it protects kids better.

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second row

"Something that Jessica said that really stuck with me was she was like, we're asking them to make the second row work for every type of passenger."

The second row is the back seat area of the car. In crashes, people in the back seat can be protected differently than people in the front. The hosts are saying it’s hard to make the back seat safe for everyone.

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minivan class

"And especially in the minivan class, I really hope that we'll we'll get some top safety picks in the future."

A vehicle class is just a group of similar vehicles. The hosts are talking about minivans as a group, because families use them a lot and the back seats matter a lot for safety. They’re hoping future safety evaluations will recognize improvements in that category.

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full size SUVs

"Yeah. Why do the full size SUVs have so much problem problems with it? Because it was even just before this year, the full size SUVs have never crushed it."

Full-size SUVs are the biggest SUVs, usually meant for families and lots of space. The hosts are saying that safety testing for them has been limited or changed over time, and that’s part of why results may look different now. They’re connecting that to how automakers respond to testing.

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crash tests

"Because it was even just before this year, the full size SUVs have never crushed it. So I think in a really interesting thing about the full size SUVs is we only just recently started testing them for any number of reasons. But they we've been we've been running crash tests for now 30 years."

Crash tests are safety tests where a car is tested in a controlled crash simulation. The goal is to see how well the car protects people inside. This episode talks about how crash testing has evolved and how it affects different kinds of vehicles.

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Mazda Cx50

"So I was invited by Mazda and not the IHS, but to see their new CX-5, CX-50 get crash tested."

The Mazda CX-50 is another popular SUV model. They’re mentioning it because it’s part of a crash test event to see how safe it is in a crash.

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crash tested

"So I was invited by Mazda and not the IHS, but to see their new CX-5, CX-50 get crash tested."

Crash testing is when a car is intentionally crashed in a controlled way so safety experts can measure how well it protects people. It helps show whether the car’s structure and seatbelts/airbags do their job.

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covered track

"And then you see as you're cresting, kind of coming over the driveway, you'll see this huge dome. That's our covered track or we have an outdoor track that is open"

A covered track is a crash-test area under a big roof. It’s used so the test conditions stay more consistent, regardless of the weather.

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pass or fail

"because I know you guys don't score it, like it's very much a pass or fail to us, but I am curious like which minivan is like the closest to passing."

“Pass or fail” means the car either meets the safety rules for that test or it doesn’t. It’s usually based on whether the results hit required thresholds.

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individual test

"we actually give high level information, you know, whether it's a top safety pick, we go down to each individual test where you, but also even within each test, we give all the information"

Instead of judging safety as one big number, they break it into separate crash scenarios. That way you can see how the car does in each specific kind of crash.

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