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Welcome back to the podcast.
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LeapMoto will build its cars in Spain.
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SKON opens a solid-state battery pilot plant
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and Rivian breaks ground in Georgia.
03:00
Later in the show, I'll tell you which
03:01
electric vehicle's initial production was cut by more than half
03:04
thanks to batteries.
03:05
On today's edition of EV News China,
03:07
we're talking about the Audi E5 Sportback.
03:09
Crazy massive screen in that thing.
03:11
The Voyager Dream MPV big launch
03:14
and BYD's SEAL07 is improved in every way and gets cheaper.
03:19
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years after the launch of the Cybertruck,
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All right, let's talk about Leap Motor,
04:13
owned by Stellantis.
04:15
Well, $51.49 owned by Stellantis.
04:18
Leap Motor International will make their vehicles in Spain.
04:22
The Spanish factories will assemble vehicles
04:23
according to CEO Antonio Velosa saying,
04:26
we have recently announced an industrial partnership
04:29
to give Leap Motor capacity at one of our Spanish plants
04:32
to build their cars on their platform.
04:34
That will start very soon.
04:36
The move could let Leap Motor
04:38
avoid the European Union tariffs
04:39
on Chinese full electric vehicles.
04:42
The brand currently pays 20.7% tariffs
04:46
on top of the EU's blanket 10% import duty.
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Velosa did not say which factory would be used
04:52
or which models will be built there.
04:53
An earlier report citing China's embassy in Spain
04:56
said that Stellantis and Leap Motor
04:58
would invest 200 million euros in a Spanish factory.
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That the B10, that's the SUV,
05:05
somewhat a compact SUV,
05:08
was the likely model with production starting next year.
05:11
Stellantis took a 20% stake
05:13
in the overall Leap Motor business
05:15
in 2023, a 1.5 billion euro investment
05:19
that two years later looks a pretty smart investment.
05:23
It bought a 51% share in Leap Motor International.
05:26
That's where they sell, service and develop
05:29
Leap Motor's cars overseas outside of China.
05:32
Reports have focused on Zaragoza as the site
05:35
where Chinese battery maker CATL
05:37
announced a joint venture with Stellantis
05:39
to build LFP packs at a new factory.
05:42
The two companies investing 4.1 billion euros
05:44
on a joint venture there
05:46
with production starting by the end of 2026.
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Solid-state batteries are all the rage
05:52
and they will change the cars that you and I drive
05:55
Still not ready for prime time,
05:57
well, semi-solid state might be,
05:59
but SKON has now completed their pilot facility
06:03
for proper solid-state batteries
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at their research center in South Korea.
06:07
The company plans to commercialize
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sulfide-based batteries by 2029,
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one year earlier than originally planned.
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SKON is developing two solid-state formats,
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a polymer-oxide composite variant
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and a sulfide-based version.
06:23
No one knows what the final solid-state batteries
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will be like when they're fully commercialized
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and on the roads and in the cars that you and I drive.
06:31
We do know that they will be more efficient,
06:36
enable longer range, much lighter weights,
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be more stable and charge faster.
06:42
The polymer oxide-based is looking
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at a commercialization perhaps in 2028
06:47
and the sulfide-based type a year later.
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The South Korean plant will mainly focus
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on the sulfide cells.
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Some production lines are configured
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for batteries with lithium metal anodes.
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The plant was built alongside solid power.
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Early last year, SK acquired licenses
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from the US business, Solid Power,
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to use their cell technology for R&B
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and to make prototypes.
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The facility will produce the prototype cells
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to generate quality and performance data
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ahead of mass production.
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SKON's energy density targets are 800 watt-hours per litre
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and 1,000 watt-hours per litre in the long term.
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Solid Power says that cells using a silicon anode
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and a solid electrolyte can reach
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a gravimetric energy density
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of 390 watt-hours per kilogram
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using the lithium metal anode
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whilst retaining the NCM cathode
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increases that to 440 watt-hours per kilogram.
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Now let's talk about Rivian Breaking Ground in Georgia.
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The on-again-off-again project,
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Rivian Automotive Leaders said they are now confident
07:56
as the company began work
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on its new $5 billion facility in Georgia.
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The company broke ground yesterday east of Atlanta.
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Despite the current incumbent of the White House,
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not only pulling back on the things like the EV tax credits,
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but also just the overall vibe in the U.S.
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towards clean green travel, electricity generation.
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Rivian Chief Policy Officer, Alan Hoffman said,
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we did not build this company based upon federal tax incentives.
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We're going to prove that we're going to be successful in the future.
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Yeah, I mean, look, Rivian's been around forever,
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a really long time, much longer
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than political cycles last.
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Rivian's been through some hard yards,
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and they're still doing them, by the way,
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like every day at a startup must be, you know, must be hell,
08:48
but also enormously rewarding
08:50
because they're working on the R2.
08:52
That's the new SUV.
08:53
Now the Illinois plant will begin making it next year.
08:57
They say they're on target.
08:59
They say the pricing should still be around $45,000.
09:02
This is going to be huge.
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An expanded Illinois plant will assemble 215,000 vehicles yearly.
09:09
If the R2 sells well and if Rivian produces the R3,
09:14
then they'll need capacity.
09:16
So they're looking at the long game here.
09:17
They will sell the R2, R3 onwards in Europe,
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whether it's right-hand drive, I don't know,
09:21
but that'll certainly Europe will be a market
09:23
and maybe they'll have to look at an overseas market
09:26
as perhaps the U.S. becomes a little less friendly
09:30
to companies like Rivian.
09:33
I hope that there's nothing wrong with not having incentives.
09:36
I know that there's obviously two weeks to go.
09:38
Go and get the deals done.
09:39
If you were going to buy an EV or a used EV,
09:41
four grand off under 25K, this price.
09:44
And so that is clearly not a positive thing to lose that.
09:48
But trust me, we got rid of ours years ago
09:51
and then we became the number one EV market in all of Europe.
09:54
And so it's so complex, so nuanced.
09:57
It's not just about giving money off the vehicles.
10:01
Some argue that it benefits the car makers as well.
10:04
And it's a really difficult topic.
10:07
Like everything on the internet has to be boiled down to simple.
10:10
Like tax credits, good.
10:11
No tax credits, bad.
10:14
But it's not that simple, right?
10:16
So we haven't had any incentives,
10:18
used to get money off the charges and all sorts.
10:19
We've got some commercial things in place.
10:22
And it's worth thinking about how the U.S.
10:25
can thrive in an EV world.
10:28
And I'm so optimistic for the U.S.
10:30
I think when the U.S. decides to catch up, no doubt
10:32
the U.S. is a little bit behind.
10:34
There's a little bit of momentum being lost, China and Europe.
10:37
When the U.S. decides it wants to catch up on EVs
10:39
and cars like the Rivian R2, enormously compelling.
10:43
It'll be less about, oh, you're driving an EV,
10:45
just driving a great vehicle.
10:47
Oh, it happens to have a battery, but that's okay.
10:50
I think when the U.S. wants to catch up
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and wants to do everything, the wind is behind it.
10:55
So I'm really optimistic about the EV market in the U.S.
10:59
You'll hear commentators who are saying,
11:01
look, in two weeks' time, the tax credits go.
11:03
October 1st is going to be a disaster.
11:07
Don't get me wrong.
11:07
There's going to be fewer people walking through
11:09
the door of the dealership on the 1st of October
11:14
But that, it's short-term.
11:15
Like, this is going to be a bump we write out in the U.S.
11:18
So the North American director of also research firm,
11:23
SBD, who's Alex Oiler, said,
11:26
we saw with Tesla that the key to profitability
11:28
is scale, and if you can't scale,
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your cheapest vehicle is 70K.
11:32
So they need that plant online to achieve scale of R2 and R3.
11:36
He said, yep, completely agree.
11:38
And when Rivian does scale and bring those vehicle prices,
11:41
down could well be unstoppable.
11:43
Renault 4 is next in the news.
11:45
Man, I love this vehicle.
11:46
And the Renault 4, though, is now available as a cargo van.
11:50
We've seen this so many times over the years.
11:52
Small vehicles taking out the rear seats,
11:54
put a plastic load tray in.
11:56
Maybe, maybe like a bulkhead in there
11:59
so that things can't fly forward.
12:01
The conversion gives a load volume of over 1,000 litres.
12:05
That's 37 cubic feet and a maximum payload of 345 kilograms.
12:09
If you need to carry stuff as a company vehicle,
12:13
but don't need a van, these little mini vans,
12:16
these car conversions to vans are so cool.
12:19
This one does have a mesh bulkhead as an option, though.
12:23
Depending on market specification,
12:24
you can fit it with controls
12:25
to prevent the rear doors and windows from even opening.
12:28
An anti-slip mat for the load bay,
12:30
privacy cover for the load bay in France.
12:33
They're going to start at 29,000 euros.
12:36
That excludes France's VAT.
12:38
And the price applies to the powertrain,
12:40
not offered in the UK, actually.
12:43
The four seats, four model.
12:46
So 118 horsepower front mounted motor,
12:50
40 kilowatt hour battery pack,
12:52
191 miles WLTP range on that,
12:55
charging at 80 kilowatt peak charging rate.
12:57
Again, these vehicles might well just be charged once a day,
12:59
and that would be overnight.
13:00
You can get a 52 kilowatt hour pack,
13:02
254 miles or over 400 kilometres of range on that.
13:06
Over 100 kilowatt peak charging rate on that pack,
13:09
the bigger pack as well.
13:11
The conversion is done in-house by Renault.
13:13
It's not a third-party thing.
13:15
The plants in France, I think it's Mabouche plant,
13:21
where the Renault four is actually produced.
13:24
I love stuff like this.
13:26
And the Renault five, I think, has got all the attention
13:28
because the Renault five is the cheaper one.
13:30
And the Renault four is the vehicle,
13:34
but perhaps because it was, you know,
13:36
again, channeling the heritage of the Renault four,
13:41
maybe, and it is a little more expensive,
13:44
hasn't always got all of the attention.
13:48
But, oh, man, I love the styling on this,
13:50
particularly the one that has the canvas roof
13:55
that folds all the way back.
13:58
You do a fixed roof on this with roof bars
14:00
and a Renault four with a canvas roof
14:02
that completely goes back.
14:04
Huge, effectively, sunroof on this.
14:08
And, man, it's such a stylish video,
14:13
The video I saw when they launched it had the,
14:15
I hope it still looks as cool in real life.
14:18
Is that kind of rear quarter lights behind the rear seats
14:22
to let more air and sort of just light into the cabin
14:28
OK, I need to talk about the four more, don't I?
14:30
Because we always talk about the five.
14:33
The four is super cool.
14:35
Geely will provide a free charger in the UK
14:40
Yesterday's podcast, if you missed it,
14:41
I said that Geely is coming to the UK
14:44
as of on sale to the UK yesterday.
14:47
Orders opened for the new EX5.
14:50
They are also a bit of additional information,
14:53
giving away a home charger with every purchase of the Galaxy,
14:56
sorry, the Geely EX5, which under the Geely name,
15:01
you know, because Geely have Volvo, Polestar, etc., etc.,
15:03
Lotus and more, it's the Geely name that's coming to the UK.
15:07
So get your EX5 before the end of October,
15:10
23rd of October, actually,
15:11
and you get a seven kilowatt single phase,
15:16
They are the ones that look really, really cool, by the way.
15:19
And it includes nationwide installation
15:20
by Anderson-trained technicians as well.
15:23
That's not cheap to put a charger in at home, by the way.
15:25
So it's a nice little bonus.
15:27
The engineer and designer in Bedfordshire,
15:30
and it features a hidden tethered charging cable,
15:34
which is pretty unique, 5.5 meters or 18-foot cable.
15:37
Tied away, we're not in use.
15:39
Cast aluminium face here, I think on that one,
15:43
or at least you get different appearances on the Anderson's.
15:47
Last time I saw, I know they've been through some difficulties
15:49
and hopefully come out the other side
15:51
of that 70-year warranty on it, really cool technology.
15:54
Now, GAC, one of China's top five automakers,
15:59
just had their SUV, the ION-V, or AION.
16:03
Never sure how I meant to say it.
16:05
I hear people call it different things.
16:07
Approved in Australia, the ION, or AION-V,
16:11
is expected to start under $45,000, that's $30,000 US.
16:15
Detailed specs and final pricing announced closer to the launch.
16:18
The approval paperwork shows it entering as a single model variant.
16:22
It's 4.6 meters long and uses a 150 kilowatt electric motor
16:29
with a 75 kilowatts lithium ion phosphate pack in this one.
16:34
Claimed range of 375 miles or 600 kilometers or so.
16:41
The battery supports charging at 180 kilowatts peak.
16:44
16 minutes they give, and I hate the way
16:46
the Chinese are starting to give 30 to 80.
16:48
I'm seeing it more and more.
16:51
Come on, let's take a look at yourselves.
16:54
30 to 80, no one wants that.
16:55
The industry should talk 10 to 80 percent charge times.
16:59
Otherwise, we know you're fudging it.
17:01
30 to 80 in 16 minutes?
17:03
But on a long road trip, who's pilling in at 30?
17:06
You're going to go past those charges
17:08
and go to the next ones to get to 10 percent.
17:10
Low state of charge.
17:11
You ride that wave of the nice fast charging speed.
17:15
This thing gives a peak charger at 180 kilowatts in their spec sheet.
17:18
It might not even charge at that at 30 percent.
17:21
So don't give us a 30 to 80.
17:25
Wasn't really a rant, was it?
17:27
All right, we'll stay in Australia for one final story.
17:30
A video posted on X, and this is interesting.
17:36
A video posted on X appeared to show a Tesla
17:38
driving itself through Melbourne's Central Business District
17:41
with the driver's hands off the steering wheel
17:44
and the car performing a hook turn.
17:46
The post claimed that the vehicle
17:47
had managed one of Melbourne's most tricky hook turns
17:49
and it did it all autonomously.
17:51
Fantastic. However, under Victorian law,
17:56
anyone trialing automated vehicles need to apply for a permit
18:01
to ensure that things are done safely, right?
18:02
These are big, heavy vehicles.
18:04
Any vehicle on public roads.
18:06
The Victorian government has said
18:08
that the Department of Transport and Planning
18:10
did not approve any testing of autonomous vehicles in Melbourne CBD.
18:15
And they are engaging with Tesla on the video that's being posted.
18:18
FSD is part of Tesla's push for so-called autonomy in the future.
18:22
The Tesla website says,
18:23
when enabled, your vehicle will drive you almost anywhere
18:26
with your active supervision requiring minimal intervention.
18:30
FSD is available in the US, Canada,
18:33
versions of it in China, Mexico and Puerto Rico.
18:36
According to Tesla's X account,
18:38
is coming soon to Australia and New Zealand.
18:41
I'm sure this will just be a bump in the road,
18:43
but regulators will want to know why they were testing it.
18:46
If indeed it was being done as the video says.
18:50
Look, AI can generate a lot of stuff now as well.
18:52
So how do we even know what's real?
18:54
We'll take a break, we'll come back,
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we'll talk some more Tesla
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We're still talking Tesla today.
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A couple more stories.
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They've updated their warranty terms for new vehicles
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for the 2026 model year onwards.
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I know they didn't do model years,
22:11
but they sort of do, don't they?
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United States and Canadian vehicles.
22:15
The paperwork now shows that there is a new,
22:19
and I'll say what it is,
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high-priced propulsion-related parts warranty.
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What is a high-priced propulsion-related parts warranty?
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Well, it's an additional bit of coverage
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on specific bits of the drivetrain and related components.
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An additional seven years or 70,000 miles.
22:39
Now, this applies to the S3X and Y,
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excluding Cybertruck by the look of it.
22:44
This seven-year coverage is separate
22:46
from the high-voltage battery coverage
22:49
and the drive unit coverage,
22:50
which get their own eight-year warranties.
22:52
It extends protection for many costly parts
22:55
beyond the basic vehicle warranty.
22:57
So the PCS power conversion system,
23:00
the inlet and outlet assembly hoses,
23:02
high-voltage fast-charge contactors assembly,
23:06
the high-voltage system controller,
23:08
the front and rear half shafts,
23:10
and what they say is the super-manifold assembly.
23:12
The inclusion of this new warranty covering the PCS,
23:17
the power conversion system, is notable.
23:20
The PCS is what looks after...
23:22
Oh, well, one of the things is it enables
23:23
slow-charging, level one, level two,
23:25
and can be one of the components more likely to fail
23:29
if there's an electrical issue,
23:30
now covered under warranty, good move, Tesla.
23:32
That's a brilliant bit of good news.
23:36
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration,
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said yesterday on Tuesday,
23:40
it's now formally opened an investigation
23:42
covering 174,000 Tesla model-wise
23:47
after reports that the electronic door handle stopped working.
23:50
It said it received reports
23:52
that the exterior doors couldn't be opened,
23:54
cases where parents had stepped out to remove
23:56
or place a child into the rear seat before starting a trip.
23:59
NHTSA called this a preliminary investigation,
24:03
the first step before it seeks a full recall
24:06
if it finds that these model-wise
24:08
pose an unreasonable risk to safety.
24:10
The agency said it has nine reports so far
24:13
of parents who had put their children inside the vehicle.
24:17
The parents could not reopen the door
24:19
or regain access to the vehicle.
24:22
In four of the cases,
24:23
the parents were forced to break a window
24:25
to save their children.
24:26
The agency noting Tesla vehicles have a manual door release inside.
24:32
Children and babies obviously can't do that.
24:36
NHTSA said in its initial review
24:38
that the condition appears to occur
24:40
when the electronic door locks
24:42
receive a lower voltage from the vehicle.
24:46
Repair invoices have been reporting
24:48
replacement of the vehicle's low voltage battery
24:51
after the incident occurs.
24:55
the owner said they weren't notified
24:57
on the dash of a low voltage battery
24:59
and it all ties into what I'm talking about
25:01
on the bonus shows that I'm making this week.
25:02
Last night was bonus show part one.
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Why do EVs still have a 12 volt or 16?
25:10
Low voltage battery system.
25:13
This technology has been common
25:16
before that it was six volt systems,
25:18
and why isn't everyone copying the Cybertruck,
25:21
which is a 48 volt system?
25:23
Well 42 volts was tried back in the 1990s
25:26
by a consortium of companies
25:29
So last night was part one,
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looking kind of backwards, historical context.
25:32
Tonight part two we look forward to
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how did the low voltage systems on our EVs,
25:36
why have we got them
25:37
and where will it go in the future?
25:39
I would invite you,
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if you're one of my patrons,
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to have a listen to that
25:42
and if you're listening to the free feed,
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give it seven days,
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they automatically tick over
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25:49
to being on the ad supported free.
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Now Suzuki said its first battery electric vehicle
25:55
will go on sale in Japan in January
25:58
as it seeks a foothold in the EV market.
26:00
It's the Evitara SUV,
26:03
made in India for export to 100 countries,
26:05
starts at 27,000 US dollars equivalent,
26:11
or 430 kilometers on a charge.
26:15
First revealed in November last year,
26:17
pre-orders I think are underway here.
26:19
I'm not sure deliveries have begun.
26:21
Gosh, Evitara might be a gap in my knowledge.
26:24
I mean, there's plenty of those.
26:27
It comes to the EV world.
26:30
But Suzuki announced plans to invest
26:32
27 billion through to financial year 2030
26:38
Yeah, I mean, we'll see.
26:39
Suzuki's one of those companies
26:41
that hasn't got a ton of cash to splash.
26:43
Now, let's talk about the Tuareg.
26:47
This could be the first SSP model,
26:49
the Volkswagen Tuareg,
26:51
now sold with a combustion engine
26:54
May come back as a fully electric car
26:57
built on VW's SSP architecture.
27:00
Volvo, sorry, Volkswagen,
27:02
haven't commented on this, by the way.
27:04
It's report saying that VW will stop production
27:06
of the pure internal combustion
27:09
ending outputs at the Bratislava plant,
27:13
fleeing up, freeing up assembly,
27:15
capacity for the SSP line there.
27:18
The SSP line for their new platform
27:21
would be operational by 2029.
27:24
This would make it the group's first SSP vehicle.
27:27
An all-electric Tuareg under the VW naming scheme
27:31
would be called ID Tuareg,
27:34
Just call it Tuareg EV or just the Tuareg.
27:36
You know, it's just a name.
27:39
No one's listening at the company to me, are they?
27:41
But, you know, you tried it.
27:43
It was interesting.
27:44
Just call it the Tuareg.
27:46
Just call it the Golf and the Polo.
27:47
SSP was meant to debut
27:49
with the premium Trinity model,
27:52
whose launch has been delayed and delayed and delayed.
27:56
I think it's 2032 now.
27:59
Other reports say SSP could appear
28:01
on the Audi A4 e-tron from 2028,
28:04
some saying the ID Golf,
28:05
but we think on yesterday's news
28:07
that's been pushed back as well.
28:08
This was first announced in 2021
28:11
to cover all class sizes of vehicle
28:13
from small to luxury,
28:14
800-volt architecture,
28:15
unified cell from VW's PowerCo unit,
28:19
sharing common components under the body
28:21
to cut complexity and create scale.
28:25
At the IAA Mobility Show
28:28
Volkswagen's brand CEO Thomas Schaefer
28:30
told Deutsche Welle,
28:32
the company has heard customer feedback
28:34
about flush-mounted door handles
28:36
and won't use them.
28:38
Volkswagen said the industry focused
28:39
on designing battery-powered cars
28:41
for early adopters,
28:42
but will shift to reach the average consumer
28:44
who want function over form.
28:46
Functions have to be easy,
28:48
It's all nice to have these flush-door handles,
28:50
but they're terrible to operate.
28:52
So we definitely have proper door handles
28:55
and the customers will appreciate it.
28:58
The near-production ID Polo
28:59
and the Cross were shown at the IAA,
29:02
with conventional handles,
29:03
because, you know, handles work.
29:09
they just kind of work.
29:10
Okay, so cameras are better for aero,
29:13
but then you've got to have a camera
29:15
and all the wiring for the camera,
29:18
where if your vision is, you know,
29:21
if they're focused on long distance
29:28
and then they look down at a screen,
29:29
some people find that readjusting of focal length
29:34
That some things don't need reinventing.
29:37
Door handles was a solved problem.
29:39
Okay, it's better for aero,
29:41
if they just sort of auto-magically disappear,
29:44
but just stop adding complexity for the sake of it.
29:47
I'll give up three miles of range, okay?
29:50
Finally, Nissan has cut its production plans
29:58
Delayed battery procurement.
30:00
According to Nikite,
30:02
the revision was caused
30:03
by lower than expected battery yields
30:05
at the Nissan affiliate,
30:06
where the batteries come from.
30:07
Nissan plans to launch the new EV
30:09
by the end of the year,
30:10
but battery issues pushing it back.
30:12
Nikite didn't disclose the original
30:14
or revised targets,
30:15
but said the output plan was reduced
30:17
by up to several thousand vehicles
30:18
a month at their plant in eastern Japan.
30:21
I think it's the Tokiji plant
30:23
that builds the new leaf for the US
30:25
and the Japanese market.
30:27
The leaf came out in 2010,
30:30
made in three places around the world,
30:32
We love Nissan's in the UK,
30:36
cash guys and the rest.
30:37
Move from being a mass market EV pioneer
30:41
through management changes,
30:43
through bad strategic decisions
30:45
to being a real laggard.
30:46
This leaf needs to arrive ASAP,
30:52
but it's like a two or three month delay.
30:53
So it's not the end of the world,
30:55
you can't catch a break sometimes
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