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Welcome back to the podcast.
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Stellantis improves batteries.
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A new model Y is leaked and Volkswagen city cars.
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Later in the show, I'll tell you why BMW hasn't given up on hydrogen.
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On AV News China today, we're talking about the record-breaking Yang Wang Yun'an Xtreme.
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The Lotus Electra is going to go plug-in hybrid and Buffett bails on BYD.
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And join me later for a bonus show about Neo Day, which was actually last Saturday in China.
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Neo is one of the big names more likely to survive.
03:34
They've had new vehicles, battery-swapping news and international expansion to talk about.
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It'll be live tonight for patrons, and all Patreon exclusives go into the free feed after seven days.
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So you don't need to spend any money on Patreon unless you want to support the show that we do here
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and get the shows before anybody else.
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Stellantis kicks us off in the news.
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They have built themselves a working prototype of one of their best cars, the Peugeot E3 008,
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fitted with their new battery, the Intelligent Battery Integrated System, or IBIS.
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Isn't that a rather budget chain of hotels?
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However, instead of the separate inverter and charger units, the IBIS puts those functions inside the battery itself
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and will do you a great price on a buffet breakfast.
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No, it really thinks how electric vehicles deliver power, how they recharge,
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and how they manage everything from the motor to the auxiliary systems.
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Tests already show that the IBIS approach is compatible with different battery chemistries,
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AC-DC charging, and can push energy directly to the grid or the car's motor.
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With module-level software control, supplying 12V as well, handling regen for each module,
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promising easier repairs, longer battery life, and even second life station reuse once a battery car battery is retired.
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Well, during road testing, the IBIS delivered up to 10% more energy efficiency
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and 15% more peak power from exactly the same battery pack that is in the existing cars, the 65kWh pack.
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So, they could generate 172kW of power, not 150.
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Charging was dropping by 15% in terms of the time.
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They took 40kg out of the vehicle, which is, you know, not insignificant, half a person.
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And usable range went past 300 miles from 275.
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A really nice quality of life improvement.
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Most of the gains coming from simplifying the powertrain and shrinking packaging.
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No separate on-board charger or inverter means less weight, less energy lost to conversions.
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Solantis claims the simplification is their innovation.
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And engineers plan to test the IBIS in all-wheel drive setups next year.
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They're cell-to-pack architectures, and they're still experimental for the IBIS as well.
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Built on the SCLA medium platform, there'll be future Jeeps and Chrysler models.
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I think using this, a stationary demonstrator has been running around since 2022.
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With recent government backing, it could bring the IBIS technology to the road cars on offer by Stellantis
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and change how conventional EVs are built.
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Rethinking how the batteries are put together, this sounds great.
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It was kind of presented as some sort of, you know, magical next-generation technology.
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Another 15 miles, no one's going to turn them down.
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But this is overall something like that Stellantis have been taking EV seriously.
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And there's certain groups of people.
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I suppose more of my US listeners really here don't get all the family cars that we get over here,
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the Peugeots and Citroens, et cetera, who don't think Stellantis are in on EVs at all.
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And I do see your point on that one if you don't get all the cars that we get now.
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A hacker released new information about Tesla's new Model Y.
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So this is clearly somebody's sniffing around and thinking they know what's going to come.
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This is not Tesla announcing the vehicle.
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The simplified Model Y is codenamed internally, the E41.
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And it'll use cheaper materials, it'll admit some features.
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We know that anyway because the standard Model Y starts at $45,000 in the US.
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But this is going to be the $35,000 Model Y.
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So it'll resemble Tesla's Model 3 that they make in Mexico.
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That uses things like cloth and not the vegan leather.
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Has no rear display, lacks ambient lighting and a pretty basic audio system.
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Now, someone who's online, a security researcher known as Green The Only,
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who's got a really good track record.
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Now, I'm not just going to bring you some news on the podcast about some random girl or guy on the internet who claims they know,
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but this person has a long track record of spotting bits of code and things like that,
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looking at firmware and decoding what everything means.
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He says, it is a he by the way, he's talked before on social media.
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So he's a he, he says that the audio package is the essential package.
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There is a backup camera without a heater.
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There is no air wave in the center console, so no airflow control.
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A new front face here, a simplified fiberglass headliner,
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simplified cabin lighting in only the footwells, simplified seat controls, a single axis.
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Woof, what backwards and forwards.
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No power mirror folding, not the end of the world.
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No puddle lamps, not the end of the world.
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Some people prefer that.
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No second row display.
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My kids have got their tablets.
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No TPMS or tire pressure monitoring system.
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You know, life went on before that was invented when I started driving cars and simplified
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18 inch wheels and downgraded suspension that they are stripping some costs out of the vehicle.
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No launch date confirmed.
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Previous reporting says Tesla will wait till Q4 because obviously right now we've got the
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big rush until the tax credit ends in the US.
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And so why release a new vehicle?
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Now the company briefly offered a simplified cyber truck.
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But discontinued it noting that people didn't want to buy the simplified model.
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Would you buy a simplified model Y or would you just buy a regular model Y that's about
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six months old or a year old?
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I mean, I don't know.
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This sounds like a working vehicle to me.
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I could see like a bazillion taxis flying around with model Ys that were this spec.
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I think the problem Tesla have got is they always want to talk about themselves being
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a premium automaker, but to sell more cars, they've kind of got to go down market is one
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And so then how premium is the Tesla image anymore?
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Also the residual values are pretty bad for Teslas.
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And so you can just get a really good model Y pretty new for 35 grand, which would be
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we think the price of this new model Y.
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And then there's the Chinese who keep releasing cars.
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I told you about as a Model 3 competitor a couple of days ago.
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Oh man, I forget who released it.
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And it was better specs than the Model 3.
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It was $12,000 equivalent in China and it's got all the toys.
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Certainly all the toys that Tesla is stripping out of this car.
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And so we are entering an era where even budget cars, I think the buying public generally
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expect quite a lot, even from base trims and base specs.
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So we will see now.
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One thing that could help is their battery partner Panasonic developing the next gen high capacity
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EV battery that will increase range by, well, this one's 90 miles on a Tesla Model Y.
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So, you know, well done to Stellantis, but this is some serious business now.
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So take the Model Y that has the Panasonic battery.
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Another 90 miles or 145 kilometers.
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So this is an anode-less cell design.
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Removing the anode structure would free internal volume in each cell to hold more energy dense cathode materials
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like nickel, cobalt and aluminium.
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Panasonic says the battery could raise capacity by 25% with no overall cell size getting bigger.
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The extra capacity would let Tesla extend driving range or keep the same range with a smaller pack,
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which would be lighter, which is good for efficiency where Tesla are already the masters.
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Panasonic says it'll be ready by the end of 2027.
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That's the real deal.
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My goodness, thank gosh that's on the market because for a while Ford had nothing to sell you less than 40,000 pounds.
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That's not the Ford that I grew up with.
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Now the Ford Puma has moved to the top of the new vehicle rankings on the website CarWow,
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becoming one of two models that get the full government grant money.
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That and the transit or is it the Torneo? I'll have a look at that.
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But yeah, the passenger car is the Ford Puma Gen E.
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And so the all-electric Puma on CarWow was 27,000 pounds.
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There is now the grant money off as well.
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It's finally in around the 24s.
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If you look for the best dealer deals on a brand new vehicle, that was much needed
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because it was a very expensive car for what you got really, really efficient.
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That little Ford Puma Gen E and sent a picture to my wife a couple of days ago,
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hoping that she'd be like, oh, I like that because the lease deals are crazy on it.
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And she was like, yeah, that's okay.
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I really like him actually and really good little cars.
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And so that was first in CarWow's most inquired about chart.
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Number two was the JQ7, by the way.
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Now, let's talk about Volkswagen.
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They will sell its new small EV based on the ID Everyone concept as a Volkswagen.
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It will not come in flavors with Shkoda badges and Seats or Cooperas,
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the VW brand board member.
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Kai Grunitz telling Auto Express it's necessary to have an entry vehicle.
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If we don't do that, there'll be the Chinese doing that.
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And if the first users who just got their license jump into a Chinese brand,
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they might stay with a Chinese brand.
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Yeah, I told you recently on the podcast about some data coming out
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that people who buy an EV brand tend to stick with that EV brand when they come to replace it.
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Mr. Grunitz said that making a truly low-cost car in Europe is hard.
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Yeah, I mean, you're not kidding, but that's what you got to do, VW.
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Below 20,000 euros, he says no.
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Engineered in Europe, designed in Europe, built in Europe with a supply chain in Europe.
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That's very challenging.
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And I agree with him, but there are some very good cars under 20,000 over here,
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something under 22,000.
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You start to get in Grandi Panda territory, Renault 5 territory, small battery, entry spec.
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I'll give you that.
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These cars are stylish cars as well.
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Yeah, no, I agree with him.
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Now, VW Group last sold the trio, the trinity of cars.
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The Seatme, the Skoda Citigo and the Volkswagen Up.
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They were selling in 2011, but the A segment has shrunk since then.
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The market's going electric.
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It's hard to make small, cheap electric cars.
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Explaining why the every one concept won't be rebadged.
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He said that the city car market is too small for multiple brands.
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It'll just come in a VW flavor.
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We'll take a break.
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We'll talk about Scout and DAF trucking and a new non-profit campaign for EV.
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Stick around back in a moment.
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All right, welcome back to the show.
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Now, let's talk a little bit about Blue Oval City.
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Construction's completed.
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Blue Oval from Ford, their complex in Tennessee, home to the company's electric vehicle center.
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And largest ever investment has finished construction before production begins.
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EV battery output is scheduled to start in 2027.
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Production of the next gen F-150 EV and the E-Transit pushed back to 2028.
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Now, construction is complete.
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Equipment's been moved into the facility, which will employ 6,000 workers.
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So it's all done, but the work is really only just beginning.
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Now, Scout Motors will invest additional $300 million in South Carolina to build a supplier park
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on the site of its production center in Blythewood.
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The project is being done with no government incentives, no loans, for instance,
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is expected to support 1,000 supplier jobs and expand the company's existing investment
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of more than $2 billion in the state.
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That raises the project's total economic impact to $700 million.
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The supplier park will sit adjacent to the main production center on 200 acres,
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providing over 2.3 million square feet of manufacturing and logistics space.
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A just-in-time facility for sequencing parts for final assembly,
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battery assembly building and an accessories building to support upfitting and installation.
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The supplier park will function as a logistics and production hub
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to deliver parts, batteries and accessories to Scout Motors.
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Now, let's talk trucking and daff trucking.
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They've started their series production of the XD Electric and XF Electric battery versions
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of their next-gen models.
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Production began about two and a half years later,
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then announced the company unveiled the IAA show in 2022
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and said that series production would begin in 2023.
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Checks watch. You missed that one.
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The XF Electric is aimed at distribution with a maximum battery option specified
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to achieve 500 kilometers or 310 miles of range.
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A modular powertrain, liquid-cooled LFP packs.
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DC charging at 325 kilowatts, 22 on AC, by the way.
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And those battery packs will go from 210 kilowatt-hour up to 525 kilowatt-hours.
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DAF says charging 0 to 80, 45 minutes with three packs on board,
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which I don't know the ins and outs of our regulations
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over when you have to stop and not stop,
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but I'm pretty sure that there's some red tape that has to be complied with
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and that you have to stop for at least 45 minutes,
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probably a couple of hours, actually for x-many hours of driving that you've done,
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and so that all makes sense now.
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Veloz, a non-profit, said that its Electric for All program,
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titled The Way Forward is Electric,
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reached hundreds of millions of consumers in the first two months of a year-long campaign
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that began in July.
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The campaign began with messages on EV benefits.
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So, cost savings, lower maintenance, ease of charging, more range than ever before.
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After Congress ended the federal tax credit early,
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Veloz changed his messages to explain the incentive timeline
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and that consumers could still qualify by contacting their dealer
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and get a contract in place, make a down payment,
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and then you haven't got to worry because the IRS extended that deadline
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after the end of the month we're in.
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Now, the UK public EV charging network has grown to over 85,000 charge points
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and is growing at 30% a year,
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but prices are going up as well according to Charge UK,
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the industry body over here.
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Energy costs now make up two-thirds of charge point operator costs,
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wholesale electricity prices.
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Well, when the Russian invasion of Ukraine happened,
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There was an energy crisis here for a couple of years.
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They're still 66% above pre-crisis levels.
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Boy, am I glad to have solar panels in the summer and a battery.
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Policy levies at about six pence per kilowatt hour to public charging costs.
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Public charging is subject to 20% VAT at home.
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There is no way in the world you can make an argument that is fair,
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that I can charge my EV at home and pay 5% VAT,
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and if you go down the road and charge it on a public charger,
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I'm just paying 20% VAT in no way.
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It's the same electricity coming down the same pipes.
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Is that possibly fair?
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And the government know it and they won't change it
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because we're short of about 50 billion pounds, 40 to 50.
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We have a chancellor who is scratching her head and saying,
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we need some more money.
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And so we're broke, apparently, as a country,
19:31
and so I don't expect EV charging to get cheaper any time soon.
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In fact, I expect to get a nice big bill from His Majesty's Revenue and Customs
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for this podcast at some point in the future,
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saying, well, thank you for all the money last year,
19:43
but can we have some more, please?
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Okay, there you go.
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Right, BMW finishes off the day.
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The new X5, very popular vehicle.
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It's going to come in five powertrain options,
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so I had to work them out.
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Right, battery electric, obviously.
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Plug-in hybrid, obviously.
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Diesel, ugh, petrol, ugh.
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But get this, hydrogen as well.
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The hydrogen fuel cell model is being made alongside Toyota.
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They'll make it in 2028, they say.
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Third generation fuel cell system.
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It's more compact, and it's better than ever, they say.
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You could make a rocket ship if you want to,
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but you can't fill it up anywhere.
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BMW calls hydrogen complimentary to the Bev ecosystem,
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especially where batteries are not ideal.
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Look, if batteries aren't ideal, then I get it.
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Then driver plug-in hybrid and fall back on combustion, if you want.
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People get angry when I say that, and I know what I'm saying.
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So please don't burn stuff if you can possibly avoid it, but hydrogen?
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So firstly, the hydrogen industry in Europe is in the middle of an implosion.
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Every month, they're closing hydrogen filling stations,
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when they're not exploding themselves, by the way, or blowing up.
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And so they take too long to then kind of recharge themselves,
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because you can turn up and fill your car,
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but if you're the car behind them, well, then get a book out.
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So they take ages to then, you know, have a little sit down,
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get their energy back, and then fill the next car.
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It's not like petrol and diesel pumps, right?
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And so, only so many cars an hour, they're fabulously expensive,
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no one's using them, and all of the people that built hydrogen filling stations,
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probably with government money or EU money, are all closing down across.
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I think there's a couple of hundred left in Europe,
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but they'll be gone in the next year or so.
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BMW, that's a curious decision.
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And let's Toyota page you, just take that off their hands.
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I don't know, but okay, they say they're going to expand
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the hydrogen refuelling infrastructure network, what BMW is?
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No one's building new stations, they're all closing down over here.
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They want a pool demand, they say, across passenger cars,
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but also trucks and buses.
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Now that's where it could work, trucks, buses, shipping, aviation,
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maybe hydrogen has a place there, it must have a place somewhere.
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It stores energy in a really good way.
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So it must have a use, but in passenger cars, nope, it's stupid.
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That's your podcast for today.
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How many of those will BMW sell?
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All right, well I'm holding up a hand, you can't see right now.
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It's a number between zero and five,
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because my prediction is how many real customers buy that hydrogen car.
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