Dale Jr.'s Rules Of Retaliation & Chase Elliott On His New Clock

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This is the most fun I've had in this chair

in the last hour and a half.

I don't know if we've ever argued.

Do I piss you off over the weekend, or?

I'm still sour that I want the best man at your win.

Who was your best man, Dale?

TJ.

You don't need a cool vest for that race.

What are you thinking?

Get him, TJ.

That's the way it's starting to show.

All right, then.

Everybody, it's Dale Jr. back again

for another episode of The Dale Jr. Download.

It's Tuesday.

And I'm here with my co-host, TJ Majors.

Oh, hey.

If this intro sucks, it's because we've

had to do it a couple of times.

Or three.

Yeah, because Travis is back here around

and hitting her own buttons and stuff.

Y'all know Travis.

Hall of Fame producer.

That's right.

Hey, this episode is presented by Arby's.

Don't forget about Arby's new meat and three box.

You get more meal for your money at Arby's.

Of course you do.

We have the meats.

And now we have the show started.

Do we have the record button mashed?

Yep.

All right.

Mashed.

A lot of people think mashed is a funny word.

It is.

Yeah, pressed, or whatever.

I don't know what the alternative is.

The only other time you use it is with mashed potatoes.

Yeah.

It's really, I mean, what other?

Mashing a button.

Yeah.

I know some people, I say, when I start,

when I was talking, me and Amy were dating early,

and I said, man, you got to mash it.

She's like, what?

She was a little taken aback.

I'm like, all right.

I think it's a perfectly fine word.

I do too.

I've used it a lot in my life, but it's not universal.

I don't think.

Hey, TJ, I got you a gift.

Hey, how's it going?

I got you a gift, pal.

OK.

So I've been going through some boxes of cards.

Got some paninis here and football stuff.

And all of the Buffalo Bills cards,

I put in a little stack, man.

Here they are.

There was yours.

You got it.

There's one.

There's one Allen that's pretty good, that one on the top.

Nothing special, though.

I didn't give you any.

I've been looking for this Sean McDermott.

Yep.

I figured you could use a Sean.

How is that?

You won't see him in that uniform next year.

No.

No, probably not.

Anyhow.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

And I got a box too that Penini gave to me.

2025 NASCAR trading cards, Penini and Prism,

12 cards per pack.

Yeah, we're going to, you might rip into this

before the end of the show and see what you got.

See who pulls what.

I might let everybody in here.

Can pull.

Yeah.

See what we got.

Get back out and see what's going on.

Minus Travis.

I've been going on, I've been going on eBay

and sniping some of the older stuff.

I like to, I've opened some new boxes

and I've opened a lot of old boxes.

When I say old, I'm talking about junk wax

from like the late 80s.

Yeah.

And you can find like some of the retail boxes

and stuff from the late 80s for 15 bucks, 20 bucks.

And so I bought, I've been buying a bunch of those.

I'm bringing them in here, we'll rip them up.

Let's do it.

See if we can find some Bo Jackson's.

Bo Jackson'd be a good card.

Bo Jackson, King Griffey Jr., that was,

Jose Canseco, there was a lot of Barry Bonds,

a lot of, you know, a lot of decent cards.

Apparently I think King Griffey card was like a hot item.

There's a lot of decent cards even in the junk wax era

and you had Michael Jordan in some of the upper decks stuff

in the 90, 91, 94, and 94 upper deck stuff.

Yeah, if you pulled a Griffey or a Jordan, you did good.

And Jordan very limited a lot of the things

that they could use his name on and stuff,

so it's even harder.

His cards are pretty, his cards are pretty valuable.

I'm sniping a few boxes, I'll bring them on here.

And we need a new segment.

I like, I was gonna say that I've opened,

you know, if you threw down in front of me,

and I know people are not gonna agree with this at all,

but I'm always on the wrong end of things.

If you threw down in front of me like a 1989 Tops

or a 91 Tops, a box of those,

and then a brand new box of like 20, 25, you know,

Panini or Tops, I would probably have more fun

opening the old box.

And it's more likely because I recognize all those names.

It's nostalgia.

Yeah.

No, the new box would be kind of

because the new cards that are coming out are badass, so.

Dude, when I open all this new, even on the football side,

I mean, I recognize a lot of the football players

because I watch NFL.

I don't watch a ton of Major League Baseball,

so I only know like Aaron Judge and Freeman and a few.

Yeah, so I don't know any of the new hot rookies

coming in to the Major League Baseball.

And even on the NFL side,

there's some rookies that I'm like,

man, he's good.

His card's good, really?

I've never heard of this guy.

Like Jackson, I know who Jackson Dart is, right?

You do too.

I watched him play a lot last year with the Giants.

He had some injury issues, got a couple concussions.

He played good though, but his cards are hot right now,

and I'm like, man, I don't know, you know?

He's not.

Let me see what you can do another year before.

Yeah, he's okay.

Well, he's in the news for dating.

Well, his cards are hot not because of who's dating.

I don't know, my help.

I don't think so.

Anyway, it's more work like looking the new cards up

and trying to figure out what's worth what.

I can open up a pack of early 90s or late 80s baseball

and I can tell you about the price

or the value of each card.

You don't have to look it up.

But there's a couple cool apps.

They got apps on your phone.

You can actually scan the card with your camera quickly.

It's like, this is the card.

That's what it's worth.

Done.

It struggles with some of the variants,

you know, the variant cards.

It does, yeah.

And it struggles with the reflective cards,

which all of them are these days, right?

All of them are chrome.

Oh, yeah.

And your phones don't do that very well.

Oh, man, we're still in this card game.

Still in it.

If you can't tell.

It's been all day yesterday.

Snipe and old school boxes.

And I got a couple of diecasts lately.

One diecast that I secured off of eBay

is the diecast of Ray Elder,

the guy we talked about.

Yeah.

Nice.

Yeah, he's on the ballot.

They announced, they announced the ballot.

I heard.

Kevin Harvick is on the ballot.

I think Kevin Harvick is a lock.

Yeah, lock it.

Right, lock it in.

Absolutely.

All right, you're locking Kevin in.

Don't even vote him.

Why not?

So Kevin, we were on the show the other day

talking about how the new guys that come in on the ballot

jump right to the front of the line happened with me,

happened with, you know, a lot.

I mean, and Harvick's a lock.

He's going in.

But he.

But I've had fans telling me that he can wait.

Other people have waited long, like.

Yeah, I know what you're saying.

Yeah.

I'll tell you this.

They shouldn't have put me in when they did.

I think they could have waited.

I would have preferred to have waited.

And the Ray Elders, the Randy Dortons,

I'm just looking at this list.

You know, all those guys that were here a long time ago,

they should get in.

But a guy like me pops onto the damn ballot

and goes right to the front of the line.

It's like, you know, it's like when you're going,

you know, when you're checking in to get your flight,

getting your flight ticket or whatever,

you know, you're checking your luggage,

you're bagging, you know, getting your luggage tag,

you got to wait your turn.

I understand your reason.

Now, there are the, there are the, the, the, the one guy,

there are the Jimmy Johnson's.

There are the, the Dale Earnhardts and the Richard Petty's

that you don't wait, you don't make them wait.

Guys that have won, you know, multiple championships,

like Kyle Busch, right?

When he's, when he's, he's, he's going in.

Yeah.

We put him in right away.

Yeah.

But there's a few people and I would say,

I would be comfortable saying that I'm one of them

that could have, I'm healthy, I'm young,

feel young, you know?

I get, I get your reasoning, but for me, it's like,

then maybe there's a flaw in like how that they needed like

to get rid of some of the old, to get the older people in,

like figure out a way for voting for a few years where it's

more baseball style, where it's 75% like,

I know, I don't know how you do this.

I don't know how you do it, but got Randall Ajoy,

two-time NASCAR O'Reilly Auto Parts Series champion.

He was also the 1985 NASCAR Tour, North Tour champion.

So he's got more than just those two.

And you know what Randall Ajoy reminds me of?

You know who he reminds me of?

Who?

Justin Algar.

Oh, man.

And Randy's on there.

Man, I'm telling you, one more championship.

I think Justin finds his way onto the ballot.

Can we not use Justin's name anymore?

I feel so bad that he's been the-

Justin was very thankful to be recognized

and to be considered Hall of Fame worthy.

Okay.

Yeah, I don't think that's bad.

What a compliment.

It's not a bad conversation to be in.

What a compliment.

No, I know, but like, I didn't know if he took it like

before his race, he's being-

I just know that on the other side of that glass right there,

there were a few people that you'd probably be glad

you didn't run into in the last few days.

So there's a beer toast for Justin's previous win,

not this past weekend.

Thanks for reminding me.

Today.

Am I invited to that?

Oh, are you invited?

I think you should speak.

I might actually call you up front.

What would you say?

I don't know.

I might actually call you on up front, so man,

you got a few words for our guy, Justin here.

That'd be funny.

I won't do that, Travis.

Please come to the toast.

All right, I will.

Yeah, but I'm thrilled to see Ray Elder on there.

So Ray Elder is a six-time NASCAR Winston West champion.

He is a six-time NASCAR Winston West champion.

Now, I'm looking on the NASCAR website

at the modern era ballot.

And next to Ray Elder's name,

it says six-time Arkham Menard Series West champion.

That is absolutely incorrect.

That is misleading information.

It is.

It downgrades it.

It absolutely downgrades it.

Like it doesn't.

When Ray Elder was racing in the 70s,

it was the NASCAR Winston West championship.

And they were cup cars.

He bought cars from Richard Petty.

And when the NASCAR Cup Series would come out

to Ontario or Riverside,

Ray Elder and the other West competitors

would race in that race with the cup cars.

It was a cup series.

It was a cup level series.

And he's won.

And he won six championships in that series.

To call it, the Arkham Menard Series West

is a huge disgrace.

And he won that.

He won against them guys a couple times, right?

I promise you, this is no disrespect to the Arkham Series.

But back in the 70s, NASCAR didn't even own Arkham.

Oh, it was his own deal first.

Oh, I mean, it wasn't even the NASCAR own property.

Ray Elder was basically the West Cup Series champion.

I think they need to...

I get when you pay to be the sponsor,

but I think we need to leave it

as whatever it was when they won it.

Yeah, because this is so confusing and misleading.

It is, yeah. That should say Winston West.

Yeah.

And now, even, I mean, because I'm afraid,

this hurts not only Ray's reputation to fans,

100%.

Because they read it and go,

oh, he's an Arkham champion?

Oh, but he wasn't.

He was a cup series champion.

The cup series, NASCAR had two divisions.

They had the regular cup, which was on the East Coast,

and then they had a West Cup, West Coast Cup Series.

They were cup cars.

And of course, the competition was a little thinner,

for sure, no question.

But when we would go out to Riverside and run,

and Ray would enter the race, he won it twice.

He won Riverside twice, beat.

Richard Petty, Kel Yarbrough, David Pearson, beat him.

Big names.

Yeah, and he came to Daytona,

running the top five in Daytona at the 500,

running the top five in the duels.

I mean, he would come out to Daytona for the 500

and hang in there.

But I think, yeah, I was looking at this list.

Let's look at it, TJ.

Let's look at it, Travis.

You got Kevin Harvick, who is a sure thing.

All right, got a couple of new names,

I think, relatively new names.

Ernie Elliot, who was part of the Elliot crew

when Bill was kicking ass.

Oh, yeah.

Cup Series winning crew chief victories

in the Daytona 500, two of those,

two Southern 500s as well.

You had Dan Elliot, who was part of that crew as well.

There was Ernie, Dan, and Bill, brothers, man.

They were dominant.

They were.

Randy LeJoy, Jack Sprague's been there.

Three-time Craftsman's Truck Series champion.

I mentioned Ray Elder.

Randy Dorton, who is an engine builder,

won a ton of championships, tons of wins.

Yes.

Jeff Burton, 21-time Cup Series winner,

including Southern 500s, Coca-Cola 650s.

21 Cup wins is a lot of wins.

It's a lot of wins.

Hard to win Cup races.

Tim Brewer, who was a badass crew chief,

two-time championship crew chief in the Cup Series.

Neil Bonnet, everybody knows Neil 18-time Cup Series winner.

He won consecutive Coke 600 wins.

And then Greg Biffle, who was a Craftsman's Truck Series

champion in 2000, O'Reilly Auto Part Series champion

as well, 2002.

How many wins does Biffle have in the Cup Series?

Do you know?

I think it's 16.

I don't know why that number seems about right.

That's a lot of wins too, man.

I was thinking about this the other night.

We got 19.

Like, there's not a lot of drivers

that I can sit there in this.

I'm surprised that they didn't put that in the list.

That's another, yeah.

Like, they're not helping each other.

Yeah, you got Neil Bonnet, 18-time winner,

and then you got a 19-time winner they don't even mention.

Yeah, like, 19 Cup wins is a lot.

I know they got to keep it short.

But listen, there's a everybody in this list.

Everybody in this list, in my opinion,

is a Hall of Fame.

Is a Hall of Famer.

They are.

It's strange, ain't it?

Because we have a ballot full of guys

that I think we all would be perfectly comfortable

letting into the Hall.

But we only picked two off of this particular ballot.

I'm going to pick Kevin Harvick and Ray Elder.

But I struggle not to pick Jeff Burton.

I mean, I think Jeff Burton belongs in there.

Not only because Jeff Burton has won races in the Cup Series

and done a lot of great things,

but he's been an incredible broadcaster for us

for over a decade.

He's stuck around.

And he's done a lot of things.

He does so many things with the driver council.

And he's just, he plays a lot of different roles,

wears a lot of different hats, cares about the sport.

So he works behind the scenes with safety innovation

and all types of things.

He was very dedicated to moving safety forward.

You know, we had a big push for safety after that passed away.

And we lost Adam Petty and a few other drivers.

There was a big push with safer barriers and all that stuff.

Well, once we kind of got to a certain extent,

not that people quit trying,

but, you know, the safety quest,

the quest for safety sort of seemed almost complete.

Well, Jeff continued to push it forward,

knowing that we continue to further that.

And I don't know, man.

I think Jeff Burton will get a ton of votes

is what I'm going to say.

I just feel like Ray Elder should have been in years ago

because he is a six-time champion in the Cup Series on,

in what was the West Cup Series.

And doing those things in the 70s,

in an area in the country, think about this, okay?

In the 1970s, NASCAR in general was a very

southeastern limited sport.

Not a lot of, didn't get a lot of credibility,

didn't get a lot of respect,

didn't get a lot of attention from the nation as a whole

outside of the Southeast.

But, you know, when we decided to push east

or west of the Mississippi,

when we decided to push farther west of the Mississippi

and have, you know, build Fontana and go out

and try to be successful with Texas Motor Speedway.

I know we had Texas World in the 70s and 80s and all kinds.

Those were relatively successful quests,

but they failed ultimately.

Ontario failed, Riverside went away.

Ray Elder was the guy that was out there digging the ditch.

And so when we came out there to finally really push,

push west and make this a more national sport,

it was successful on the work that Ray Elder

and others had done.

We're, you know, I love that phrase

that we're standing on the shoulders of giants.

Ray Elder's one of those guys were standing on his shoulders

because of the efforts and work that they did.

They're just racing.

They didn't know what they were, you know,

they didn't know what the foundation

that they were building for NASCAR,

but they were just out there racing.

And he's not just, you know, he's a six-time champion

in a property that NASCAR has owned forever.

He is not a six-time ARCA, Menard Series champion.

He is not.

That is incorrect.

But I just got to say that.

I need that to be a video.

All right, can we flag that?

Yes, I appreciate that.

Yeah.

I would vote Neil and I would vote Neil and Ray.

Neil and Ray, you're not going to put Kevin in.

He's going to get in.

Well, he's got, you get two.

I know.

That's why I said I would put Neil and Ray in now

because as time goes on, I feel like it fades more.

I know, dude, but I think Kevin...

Kevin's a lock.

But if we keep pushing these other guys away,

it's going to be...

I don't understand your,

I don't understand your, what am I trying to say?

There's always going to be somebody on this list

that's newer and has, you know what I mean?

There's always going to be somebody

that comes onto this list.

So you're going to cast a vote for the other two guys,

even though you know Kevin's going in?

I know he's going to go in because I feel like...

So who goes in next year?

Is Kevin going to get in next year

because are you going to say to someone else like...

No, no, no, I'm just, let's listen.

I'm saying the more the time goes on,

the more we forget about Ray,

the more we forget about him.

I agree, but I know Ray left the ballot

and me and several other people in the room

got him back on the ballot.

Cause I mean, damn, he's a six-time champion

in what amounted to in the seventies,

the cup series in the West.

Well, that's what I mean.

We're going to fade away.

He belongs in the Hall of Fame, in my opinion.

Now it might not be everyone's opinion.

It's easier to push him away than Harvard.

You can't look at Harvard and be like,

I got him in.

I know, but Kevin's going to get the vote.

So I'm going to cast my vote for Kevin.

Cause he's in, I'm not going to waste a vote

on somebody, I'm going to pick two guys

that I think should be in there and Kevin's one of them.

So why would you vote?

If you know, all right, Kevin's going in.

So I'm going to put two other names down.

Because I feel like-

I want to know, I want to understand this.

Because I feel like down the road,

like if you put, if you take,

you start eliminating some of the other guys

that you know are going to be in like there,

if you feel like should be in.

If you think Kevin's going in,

why don't you put your vote for him?

Because I still feel like it's so fresh and new.

And there's guys that have been doing this for a long time

that are, they're losing their opportunity here.

And I feel like-

But you're not going to change the Kevin vote.

But it might not like,

I feel like there's less Hall of Famers coming up here

in the next handful of years.

You kidding me? There's way more.

Well, I mean, recent guys.

Like-

Every year, I think for the next six years,

there's going to be a lock, a new lock.

Like Truex is next.

They need to delay how long before we can get in, I think.

That's, I think that's why I kind of-

NFL is what, five years?

I think it's something like that for us, isn't it?

For something like that?

It's maybe.

But I mean, that's a worthy conversation.

But I'm asking, I often wonder,

when I'm sitting in the room with other people voting,

they're the method to their madness, right?

And you have a unique opinion that I'm not going to put a vote for Kevin

because he's locked in.

I think he gets in.

So I'm going to put a vote for two other guys

that I think belong in there.

And you're hoping that both of those votes, one way or another,

get one of those, one of those guys in, right?

Yeah, probably.

But you're, what if everyone had that idea?

And then Kevin doesn't get in, who we all believe you included is a lock.

I mean, Kevin's going to get in.

I know, but if everybody applied your plan,

then he doesn't ever get to vote.

Oh, I mean, he's not like he's going off the ballot.

He'll get the chance again and again and again.

You shouldn't have to wait.

You shouldn't have to wait for a hat career.

I mean, yeah.

That would be a big mistake.

I think if the, if he doesn't get voted in this round,

I think it's a misstep, right?

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I wish there was a way that you could.

I wonder how our listeners would vote, right?

Because I mean, there's, if you're given that opportunity, right?

You're going to cast your vote for two of these drivers

or two of these individuals and they're not all drivers.

It'd be fun to see what other people's mentality toward it is, right?

Because everybody,

everybody thinks differently, right?

You have your approach, which I'm not saying is wrong.

You're, everybody has a different approach.

We're seeing a lot of Biffle, Bonnet, Harvick, Harvick, Harvick.

I don't think TJ Stance on making Harvick way is...

He's not making him wait.

I hear TJ, don't get this wrong, Travis.

You done, you done had a rough week.

I think what TJ is saying is he believes that Harvick is going in.

Absolutely.

So he's going to put two other names.

Yeah, I think, but TJ is not...

There's a lot of people, we posted something on

during most Twitter account yesterday,

asking people who their picks would be and

there's more people that you would think that are saying,

I'm okay voting someone else other than Harvick.

You're messing up.

Harvick's going in.

I'm not, I agree with you.

I don't even want to have this debate.

I'm just saying, I don't think TJ is out on an island on this.

He's not saying what you're saying.

That's what I'm trying to tell you.

TJ said he believes that Harvick is going in,

so he, if given the chance to vote,

he would put two other names that he thinks should also go in.

He's not voting against Harvick.

He's just...

Yeah, I feel like Harvick's a lock for sure.

He thinks the rest of the people in the room are going to put Harvick in,

so he's going to put two other names and hope that one of those lands.

Okay.

That's what he's saying.

Am I right?

Yeah, I mean, I think Harvick's a lock.

He thinks you're saying Harvick should wait.

Well, I know what he's saying.

I'm just trying to protect you, Travis.

You don't need two rough weeks in a row.

Well, you're not like...

I know what you're saying.

Like, yes, you're kind of both saying similar things.

We're split hairs here.

Yeah, like...

But I don't need the protection.

I want to be completely freaking clear on what's being said.

Dale just doesn't want to be attached to my name.

Harvick is absolutely a lock.

He needs to be a lock.

I mean, absolutely.

Looking at this social media post that Dirty Mo Media had puttin' up,

a lot of Harvicks, a lot of Harvick.

The other names that we're seeing are Biffle, Jeff Burton, Dorton.

I mean, Bonnet.

You got a lot of dang names there.

It's really going to be a toss-up, I think, for the second.

That's the consensus, I think, is who knows who the second one is.

That's right.

That'll be a big surprise.

I believe that they all deserve it.

Yeah, there's a lot of great names on that list, man.

I would love to see Jeff Burton get in,

because I love what Jeff has done with his time outside the race car.

And I believe that he's impacted the sport positively and continues to do so.

I also would love to see Ray Elder get in.

And I've been a big Ray fan since way back when I was doing the show back in the day.

I learned a ton about his career and his life.

And I was like, what?

This f***ing Winston West dude beat the cup guys at the cup race at Riverside.

Who is he?

What do I need to know about this guy?

Sometimes I feel like some of the names on that list don't get much recognition,

because they weren't the drivers.

Crew chiefs and stuff like that, they don't get as much recognition sometimes,

because they're not.

You know, they didn't get...

Sure, yeah.

But...

Well, we're going to...

We're going to talk about Lee Polium, Rajah, Jesse Love, Bubba, Bubba Wallace,

Jenny Hamlin, Chase Elliott, a lot to talk about.

We had the...

Let's get to the Xfinity Series race or the O'Reilly Series race, right?

Let's get into that.

Is that good, Trav?

You good with that?

Love it.

Let's get into it.

Tomorrow's guest for the Dale Jr. download will be Lee Polium.

We're going to learn more about Lee.

And Lee was racing for Junior Merch Sports in the number nine car this weekend.

Had a really good race, missed a shift, or made a mistake on a restart,

and piled up a ton of race cars on the front straightaway.

And he was super embarrassed about that.

It took our very own Carson Cuapo out of the race entirely,

which was a disappointment.

But we'll talk about that with Lee tomorrow.

Overall, though, just, you know, that race played out,

aside from the big pile up on the front straightaway,

that race played out very, very cleanly, comparable to most of the Martinsville races.

There's a lot of Martinsville races that are complete sh** shows,

and, you know, speaking of sh** shows,

the cars tour had a bit of a one,

which we'll talk about a little bit later in the show.

I know, I'm not, hey, we're not, we can take it,

just as well as we can dish it out.

And we took it on the chin this week with the cars tour.

But usually the races at the Martinsville for a rally are wild and rough and ugly at the end.

This one, outside of that big mistake with the restart,

where Lee tore the field up,

it was, it was the respectable or the expected amount of rough.

Yeah, there was some rough driving,

but not like, okay, you bumped me, I'm going to go destroy you.

Not nobody like Austin Hill did.

Did you talk to your drivers about making sure they're not the one doing it?

Like, we started that conversation at the beginning of the year.

I said, look, this new points deal is going to catch a lot of guys off guard.

They're going to, they're going to continue to race the way they have been

for the last couple of years,

where they take all the chances going for wins, wins, wins,

and they are willing to throw away races because winning matters.

And now that's not the case anymore.

Winning is good, but finishing and getting points also

and doing well throughout the entire season race after race after race

is very important.

It felt like the driver has understood that.

It seemed like that maybe that had a bit of an influence on the race.

This year's been better.

That's my hope is that the drivers were like,

oh, I got to get to the finish line here.

We can't, you know, we can't run.

I mean, there was a couple of races earlier this year where

there was some run-ins,

but I think overall the drivers at JRM have been

much better working with each other and better teammates.

Yep.

Yeah, it was a, it was a good, good race.

Different strategies.

Played out that 30 to go caution in the first stage.

Separated it out.

Yeah.

Guys that didn't have track position pit,

cycled to the front.

Yeah.

So that made it interesting.

Yeah.

I mean, that's how Lee got his track position like that

and was doing a great job maintaining it.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah, Lee missed a shift.

He was going, he was going from second to third and made a mistake.

And was it twice?

Well, the first time he got into the chip.

I think he got to neutral or something and something happened there

because he definitely checked up.

Yeah.

I mean, the big wreck.

Yeah.

He obviously.

Oh, that one, that one was big.

Yeah.

There was one before where he was on the bottom row.

He just spun the tires on that one and didn't get a good launch.

But, uh, yeah, there we go.

Yeah.

There you are.

TJ destroyed.

I know.

Mashed in hood.

What's this, what's this Austin Green comment?

Did you not see it?

I'm a little, I never saw it.

I never saw it either until now.

Where'd you see this?

I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, you know,

I don't want to go after Austin Green unless I know what's going on here.

I mean, I understand Austin's frustration.

He was having a good run.

So it's understandable that he was pretty frustrated.

Yeah.

It just happens, man.

I do agree with, I did see a tweet from, uh, from Joel Edmonds that said,

if this was, if he was in Jordan Anderson's car, what I'll be hammering Lee.

Yeah.

Which is probably true if he did that in a different car.

I must be biased because I, I mean, we would be saying, yeah.

We would be, we would be hammering him.

I don't know.

I mean, I'm, we're hammering him here.

We're saying, he knows he's up.

It's all right there in front of us.

There's no denying it.

There's no hiding from it.

Um, I don't know what else we would do to Lee.

I just think people brush it off quicker.

Because he's in a junior motor sports car.

Okay.

Look, I would say this.

I, I, if I'm a driver and a guy misses a shift, I go over to his car and I say,

Hey bud, what was that?

And maybe I offer him some advice about what I do to try not to miss shifts.

I'm not going to go out and publicly go, damn that dummy misses a shift because I

might be the dummy next week that misses a shift.

I believe in that.

I believe that, you know, that things, that karma thing.

So, and I mean, Austin Green is a hell of a race car driver.

He's doing a lot in this.

He does a lot with little.

He's doing a lot in this car.

He's impressing people.

And I do think I would walk that back just a little bit.

We also do have to remember that.

Because I think Austin Green don't have any business talking about Lee Pulliam

where if you line the statistics up in the accomplishments.

Oh dude, Lee's list of accomplishments is ridiculous.

Like what are we, what are we doing?

Can we give the drivers a little grace of that?

How quickly after the requisite interview that like, I think you're heated.

But you gotta remember this guy, I mean, he's racing, he's racing for his job.

Yeah.

So is Lee.

Lee's trying to find an opportunity to turn this into a little, a little mini career

at 37 years old.

But he's not trying.

A guy who didn't, hell, he ain't trying.

The mother f***er is in my office yesterday asking me how in the hell can I get more opportunities?

What do I need to do?

That's not how this was portrayed all before.

It was a one-off, one-time year in this opportunity.

The only reason why I'm just trying, look, we only said this is a one-off, one-off.

Because we didn't want Lee to think, damn dude, I'm gonna pour my entire existence into this.

And man, it might present opportunity.

I didn't want him to set himself up for a massive disappointment.

I mean, I get that.

If nothing else happens.

And you know why?

Went to f***ing Richmond many, many years ago with Josh Berry and that yellow and blue 88

and led laps and ran up front and finishing the top five and not one mother f***er called us the next

week saying, hey, can Josh come drive my truck?

Hey, can Josh come drive our extended car?

Hey, we want to sponsor Josh and your car.

Nobody.

Now Josh eventually panned out.

We kept working.

We kept chiseling away at it.

He did drive some truck races for some different people.

But it was disappointing.

And after all of that, it was disappointing that it didn't matter.

And so I knew that.

Lee doesn't.

So I'm going into it going, Lee, Lee, this is just, you know, let's just focus on this.

Don't give up everything you got going on back home.

Don't give up your late model program you got running.

He's got a great deal.

Don't throw away all the livelihood that's happening in your life.

But I just, you know, and I get it.

Austin Green is a great kid.

I love his family.

I think Austin Green deserves this opportunity to further himself.

And I think he's good enough.

But I take an exception to the comment because Lee is a multi-time track champion,

national champion, you know, Martinsville 300 winner.

He's done all and while that was very embarrassing and to see all this car

is destroyed on the front straightaway is his very first rally race.

And he's just, you know, running up front trying to win the race up.

Yeah.

I don't mean I don't, I don't really hold this against Austin Hill because he's

I look, I may be, I'm absolutely biased.

Look, you're definitely biased.

I'm biased.

I get it.

I'm biased.

I mean, I'm still pissed off.

I'm kind of Austin Green size.

If I'm also, what do you tell like, if I'm Austin Green, I probably say the same thing.

I probably do.

All right.

I probably do.

I'll just, I will say though, like from the other side though, I hate being biased.

I hate it because I try really hard not to be like from the other side.

Like, you know, we got, it takes Carson out of the race, which kind of sucks because we're,

that's like, I know your driver and I'm sitting on the pit box watching Carson,

who I want to win so badly.

I know.

Yeah.

Well, the destroyer, he's out and I've got to get on the radio to Lee and go,

shake it off, man.

Keep digging and keep going.

Don't let that bother you.

You know how hard it is to say, to have those two things going on inside your

hand at the same time.

That's tough wearing hats.

I don't mean this in the wrong way.

You don't really give a what happens to Lee.

You're worried about the one car.

You want the one car to win.

You're working your ass off.

I don't want Lee's car to get, I don't want to get destroyed, but I'm just saying,

you don't care about the rest of Lee's day.

You're wanting that one car to win.

Like I've got five of them out there.

I'm being ripped into pieces emotionally.

I love it.

You got the seven just driving through the field.

He's dominating.

You're trying to tell Lee, hey man, you really ain't got a shot at this.

Just kind of get her home here.

Let's get a top five and be happy about it.

Nobody's going to beat the seven today, but Lee believes in his heart.

If I get, you know, if I do this just right, I can hold them off, you know,

and then you got the seven with the radiator or the one with the radiator

knocked out of it.

Who's, you know, with Rodney Childers, a literal legend on the pit box.

Yeah.

You got Roger going at Jesse.

Yeah.

You got Rajah getting turned around in the corner off of Brent Cruz.

You ain't got Brent Cruz here.

You got Jesse Love and Rajah.

Brent Cruz.

What's Cruz doing?

Well, they're loving Jesse Love and Brent Cruz are pals.

So he's fighting his fights for him.

He's fighting his fights for him, I suppose.

And Jesse, I went back and watched the race.

Me and Carson went back and watched the whole race.

Jesse was a little rough on some guys early too.

Jesse doesn't realize there's, here's the thing about Jesse.

Jesse drives the way he doesn't like to get driven.

Exactly.

But I mean, and I, I mean, I love Jesse.

He's great.

I like Jesse too.

And I don't want it to be, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to give him a

wrong idea, but yeah, dude.

And honestly, Jesse races hard and there's nothing wrong with it.

But when it comes back around, he don't like it.

And especially at Martinsville, like damn, you're supposed to get running too.

Well, so I would go to Martinsville and I won't just see everybody to hear this.

I would go to Martinsville looking forward to getting run into.

We go to all these other race tracks.

When I was driving, we had steel bodies, right?

You go to, you go to, you go to Kansas and Chicago and road courses

and all these tracks.

You can't touch no body.

If you barely been the quarter panel, you're f***ed.

Yeah.

You couldn't touch nothing.

So I couldn't wait to go to f***ing Martinsville.

And I'm like, please f***ing door me.

Somebody put some donuts on this mother f***er.

Let's go.

That explains a lot.

Yes.

I mean, we get a hundred laps in the race and LaTarpe would come on the radio and go,

dude, you got 400 laps to go.

Can we save some race car?

Cause I'd have both sides lit up.

I'm like flooding the sheet metal market here to feel alive.

I loved it.

And when a guy came, when a guy got loose under me and did f***ing knock me,

you know, hit me in the left side door, you know,

it was, it's what I went to Martinsville to f***ing expect.

At the time, it did not make you happy.

Yeah.

But I mean, you want to, you're looking forward to grinding your teeth.

You're f***ing like.

You're looking forward to being the guy.

You're looking forward to dirtying the right side up, not the left side.

But yeah.

But I mean, are you looking forward, you want to get hit first?

So then it gives you the top, the freedom to go back.

I just went to those races going, I'm ready to f***ing trade some sheet metal.

I'm not going to knock, I'm not going to spin a guy out.

I'm not going to f***ing, you know, ruin somebody's day.

But if I knock your ass, if I run into the f***ing side of your car,

take it like a f***ing man.

Let's go.

You know, you want to give it back to me in the next corner, fine.

But it's a, you know, it's eye for an eye.

Don't be, don't be a f***ing idiot and take me out.

I'm not going to take you out now.

I don't want it to escalate.

That's when it gets carried away.

It doesn't need to escalate, but do I want to hit?

Do I want to hit?

Do I want to trade bumpers?

Do I want to get out of my car and see the story of the race written all over the f***ing sheet metal?

Yes.

Yes, I do.

And I want it on both sides.

It was fun.

And now these guys get all bent out of shape when somebody gives them a little doughnut off the corner.

He f***ing hit me.

Yeah, honestly, I didn't really see a lot.

I mean, Raj definitely sent Jesse up the track one time.

Listen, I told Raj that at the end of the day that he should have handled that better.

He knows he should have.

And I loved how him and Jesse love hashed it out.

They talked it out.

They got away from the crew chiefs and handled it.

Right?

Good deal.

I told Raj, I said, man, you know, you, we talk, this is,

this is what we talked about at the start of the season.

Let's not go, let's not go into these races and throw away chunks of points

over in emotion.

Right?

And so that's kind of what Raj did is he let it get the best of him and he got over his

skis a little bit in the last couple of corners and he ended up getting himself spun out.

And here's, here's a drives down into turn three.

That's deep.

Yeah, way, way over his head.

That's too much.

It is his way over his head.

The two, I would be absolutely furious because the two is now three wide.

The two is losing several spots.

How do you handle Brent Cruz?

If you're Raj, I know, you know what I mean?

Like, how do you handle that?

What do you mean?

Like how do you handle Brent Cruz?

If you're, I think you got to go have a conversation about that because that's pretty cheap.

Well, I mean Brent Cruz is Brent Cruz.

I know what Brent Cruz saw.

He said he just saw Raj do that to the two in the corner before and I've seen this.

I've actually maybe done this.

You'll see a driver do something foolish and that's what Raj did going down into turn three.

He got in there too hot way up the racetrack.

You see that and you go, that's a, that's like a free pass to drive, to do something,

you know, do something egregious to that driver.

You're like, Hey man, if you're going to be a wild man, you better be able to take it.

Right.

And so

I think Brent went down in the corner and went, I just seen what you did.

So how about, how do you like this?

You know, how you like, has, has this one upped it?

He did.

And I don't know if he meant to spin the 88 around.

He probably hoped maybe he just knocked stadium up the track and he's just grabbing another spot

because he watched the 88 knock somebody up to track the lap before the corner before.

So I mean, that's just, that's the mentality.

I think a driver has and you're at the end of the race.

This has been a long race.

You've seen a lot of you've been in a lot of like you're up to here.

With all the, all the shenanigans and that's the time.

I think that's the vulnerable time in the race where you as a driver, if you're,

if you're Rajai, you got to, you can't get at, you can't get it.

It's easy to overstep out of control because guys are, guys are, guys are had, guys have had it.

And it's now gloves are off the last couple of corners.

You remember, you remember we used to go to, I don't know if you were spotting for me back,

back in the bud days.

You weren't, but I did the last 10.

We went to Sonoma and we would go to Sonoma and if there was a late yellow

and, and there was going to be three or four laps to go.

You would see half a dozen guys, eight, maybe 10 tires were huge, get spun the out.

Just let, let, just blatantly just dumped in the corners.

I'm sitting there running 20th in a race at Sonoma.

And you would just pick up multiple spots in the last couple of couple of laps

because everybody's just like had it.

And they're like, I'm done with this.

I'm done with you.

You, I didn't like how you drove me in the last corner.

Guess what?

Your ass is going in the tires.

Yeah.

Guess what?

You're going in the sand trap.

And man, you're just driving around there free spot, free spot, free spot.

Sonoma is good because it's like off the track too.

Yeah.

Try not to be the guy that got dumped, right?

And I dumped Stacy Compton.

I was like, hell yeah, I'll take a spot.

Here's one more.

Knock Stacy Compton out of the way.

Stacy Compton didn't do s**t.

And, uh,

That's pretty dude.

Well, I didn't have to worry about him.

He's over in the sand trap.

He's a half a mile away.

By the time I got to the garage area,

Chad Canas was crew chief in his car and Chad come up to the car after the race

and was like, what the f**k?

And I'm like, Hey man, everybody was doing it.

You know, what am I going to say?

Do you have any issues with crew chiefs going up to drivers like we saw?

No, not really.

I mean, he just, uh, Danny?

Yeah.

Yeah, not really.

No, I don't.

I don't.

And I don't, and I, you know, look, I'm glad Jesse Love was like, Hey, let's just say,

let's just settle this over here.

This ain't going anywhere.

That was, that was very, very mature.

Very mature.

Really mature.

And so, and they were able to talk it out.

And I really hope that, that Jesse and Rajah can race each other.

Well, the rest of the season, I'm sure, I'm sure they can.

And I don't mind a crew chief coming up in that context.

They're in the garage.

They're not in somebody's pit box.

They're not at somebody's hauler.

This is a neutral site.

Danny can come up and say whatever he wants to say.

If Danny wants to say things, then, you know, he's, he's, Danny's gonna live with whatever that,

you know, the repercussions from that are and it is what it is.

I didn't understand what he was, he was saying something about tightening the belts.

Yeah.

My only thing is then like whoever,

What do you think he was trying to convey there?

What was his line?

You better tighten them belts.

They're going to come after him.

Oh, he's a big safety advocate.

My issue was that like, you're going to come over.

He just was like, hey, by the way, before I had this argument with you,

I just want to remind you, man, to keep those belts tight.

Now, what are you doing?

Now I'm very upset about my favorite part is Raja can't hear anything.

So we just keep saying, huh?

So he has to keep saying it over and over again.

That's the great defense mechanism.

I thought it was a good Jesse.

I was love.

I love my man Pat on our car.

That's, I had an issue with you're telling him to walk away.

He's by his car, Danny.

You walked over there.

Pat has every right to stand.

He doesn't even know where he's at.

Yeah, he's so mad.

He don't even know where he's at.

What are you doing here?

Why are you, why are you beside your car?

Get out of here.

Get away from your car.

I need to make sure them belts are up to date.

Yeah.

That would have been hilarious.

Walk up to him.

Make sure your belts are up to date, buddy.

A belt inspector.

Yeah.

That tickled me.

I don't know why this is so funny.

I don't know, man.

I thought it was pretty silly,

but I love my guy Pat sticking up for his driver.

He's a, you know, Pat's a guy.

I like the emotion, no, after the race.

So Pat is a, Pat's a future crew chief,

super duper leader.

Love that he didn't care.

He, I mean, Pat is disappointed.

The thing I loved about it is this,

and Rajah should appreciate this.

Rajah just tossed 10, let's say 10,

minimum 10 points in the trash can, right?

Something we don't want to do.

Something we can't do for this.

Yeah.

And it's preventable.

Pat knows that, but still in that moment,

Pat's like, this is my driver, you know?

I'm gonna be here.

Yeah.

And so that was pretty cool.

Cause your team, it's, that's when,

you know, you got good culture in your team,

is when you f**k up and they still like,

hey, we know you f**k up, but we got you.

And that's the way the, you know, that instantly,

that's how I remember Kirk Shelmer Dean,

all those guys talking about dad.

They were like, yeah, we know sometimes

you actually wreck a f**k out of this guy,

but we were gonna fight.

You know, we were gonna fight for him.

Yeah.

If it came to blows, you know?

And so that's good culture.

Like we've had a couple of bad weeks,

like Atlanta got wrecked and then got kind of taken out here.

But I will say that like having Rodney is a great example

on how to lead the team.

Cause everyone kind of feeds off the crew chief and driver a lot.

You know what I mean?

The rest of the team and the way Rodney handles these situations

helps the team a lot as well.

Well, we went around and around on this old rallies race.

Let's move on to the cup.

Big wreck.

Where?

Massive wreck.

That's what it says here.

Massive wreck.

All right.

Massive crash.

You know what?

I watched the cup race, but I'll be honest.

Let's get a video of this crash up on the board.

I want to see a little bit better.

I didn't really look at this too much.

I know that Freddy was trying to blame Bubba for what happened.

So Bubba's up the track right here, coming off turn two,

back down on the bottom behind Hosevar.

People have been making that move on resorts.

Look at that.

Yeah.

St. Hosevar in the corner.

Let's hang on.

Damn.

Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

He just drove through him.

What did Bubba say?

I mean, just looking at that particular replay,

it looks like Bubba just drove through him.

Was Bubba getting shoved from behind?

No, I think the previous,

I think Hosevar had gotten into him before.

There ain't nobody knew him.

That shot right there was, I didn't like what you did.

Bubba is not getting hit.

Yeah.

Oh, we're so close to getting wrecked right now.

It's very similar to like, we're talking about Rajah,

like with Bubba, you're not having a great day,

but like you let your emotions get the best of you

and you just took a bad day and made it worse.

Yeah.

I think he owned it though, didn't he?

Yeah, he owned it.

Yeah.

I mean, I saw his frustration because most of the day,

all the cup guys were playing pretty good down into one.

Nobody was really making that move,

because when somebody goes to the bottom three wide,

a lot of times somebody gets turned on the outside

and it's kind of preventable, but I'm not surprised to see

when I saw the 77 jump down there,

you kind of know when people like that

are lining up behind you that that's an option.

Yes.

Well, he said he didn't mean to turn Hosevar, which I mean,

yeah, sure, I agree.

I mean, he wrecked him.

It's kind of hard not to say, didn't mean to turn him.

He wrecked him.

He didn't, he, he, he, I think what he's trying maybe to say

is that he realized he, he f***ed up.

Yeah.

This is the problem.

So if we looked at the points,

I think coming out of Atlanta or somewhere along the line,

Bubba was second to his teammate.

He dropped eight spots.

Yeah, he is.

In two races, two last places, right?

I don't have it printed out.

I forgot this week.

I think he's got two last places in a row.

So Bubba is now eighth or somewhere in that area.

He dropped eight spots to 11th.

Yeah, he's in 11th, dude.

So there it is.

So Bubba has Bubba was behind his teammate in second at one point,

maybe 70, 80 points out.

And now he is 147 points out.

But now he is tied with Brad in eighth, Kyle Larson, Chris Buscher.

So this 11th looks a little bit worse than it really is.

He's actually tied for eighth, wouldn't you say?

Yeah, worse than second.

And seventh is 141.

He's six points out of seventh.

But still, you know, he's gave up, let's say,

roughly 60, 70 points to Tyler over the last handful of races.

So just that, to me, is a great example of why this points system is going to be so much fun

because if your driver, you know, burns out a fuse or short circuits in a moment like that,

this is what it can lead to.

And, you know, Bubba can claw his way back into this with some great work.

And he's capable of doing that.

But I love, you know, I love being able to watch that points week after week.

I love that now at the end of every broadcast,

it's important for us to put the points on the board and see what's changed.

And that is a fun thing that we used to have that went away and now it's back.

So this is this points system that shows you that consistency pays off.

Like to me, like you can't, like you said, you can't afford them low.

Consistency should matter and it's a big part of what's going on.

Denny lost the race, had it won.

Yeah, he was going to have a dominating big points today.

Still got more points than Chase though, didn't he?

Yeah, but one battery start.

You know, and this is one of the races where watching it back, I'm okay with the winner not getting the most points.

Chase didn't get any stage points that I recall.

He didn't. No.

And so I mean, hey, if you ain't, and then so at the end of the day,

Denny gets more points and walks out of there.

I could care less.

Yeah, I promise you Chase is still pretty happy.

Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying as a fan, as a fan, it changes nothing for me.

I mean, what, I could have been with everything that Denny did all day and everything that Chase

didn't do in terms of the points, it weighed out the way it should have.

You think Denny spun his tires on the restart?

He said he did, yeah.

And that was the difference maker?

Because then the caution comes out for Bubba's wreck and Chase had just been scored a second place.

So then on the next restart, Chase is starting next to Ross and the rest is history.

So the, I know he spun his tires and all that good stuff.

But Chase's, the story of Chase's win is the strategy from his team and Allen.

They just, you know, they came, well, not really a Hail Mary.

Honestly, if it didn't pan out, I think it still was a net positive for Chase.

I don't think we'll know honestly, but I don't, if it was going to be,

if it was supposed to be the better strategy, and that was like the last run of the day,

then I feel like there would have been more people.

Well, why don't we ask him?

He's right here, the driver of the number nine, the winner this weekend at Martinsville,

the new owner of the grandfather clock, another grandfather.

Another one, yeah.

Thanks for joining us today, man.

I know you're busy and out there in Georgia, it is a beautiful, beautiful state.

Love your area.

Been out there to visit a time or two and know you got a lot of cool things to do this week

before you get back at it.

But me and TJ, we're just having a conversation about the choice to come to Pit Road so early.

Let's just hypothetically wonder what happens if that race continues to play out and we don't,

and you get this yellow that makes that move really, really great.

Right now, you're in the top three, top two, and you got a shot with some great pit work

to get out here and win the race.

Maybe if that race continues to go green, do you think it's still a net positive to come early?

I think so, and I think that it was getting better, too, because everyone ended up

shorting themselves even more than they were intending them.

They're going to have to run 100 in some odd laps.

If I'm not mistaken, there was still about 100 something to go and everybody pit,

everybody else pit.

So that would have been the longest run of the day, right?

And who knows where that would have netted out?

I mean, I think at the end of the day, the odds of the race going green at Martinsville,

completely in the last stage or next to none.

So I think that's why no one was doing the two-stop strategy, because at some point in time,

you are going to be exposed, right?

So I think you try and avoid that exposure throughout the course of that second stop,

because who knows, you're going to go lap down, you're going to go two laps down,

you're going to have a bunch of time to make back up, and there's certainly exposure involved in that.

So, but I felt like the way it was trending, man, I thought it was going to work out really

good either way, but I could be totally wrong on that.

Do you think you guys improved the race car?

I know that clean air is really important, but just Denny had been so good all day long

when he was out front, and he was pretty comfortable in terms of putting some distance

between him and the rest of the field.

But man, once you got the lead, you were just a faster race car.

Had y'all improved the car some throughout the day?

I do think that we had gotten better throughout the course of the day,

and I had told Alan probably sometime around halfway, I was like,

man, I really don't hate my balance.

I actually feel like we've made it a lot better, especially for the traffic that we were in.

I was just kept telling him, I'm like, man, I wish I could just control my run.

I wish I could just have the opportunity to get into a spot where I'm not running super

hard at the beginning, or I can do what I want for just a little while to make it live a little

better. And sure enough, he gave that to me. So, man, I don't know how many times I've asked for

that and not gotten that given to me, but boy, it was great to have that given to us.

So, fortunately, yes, we had gotten our car better. We've been working on it in pretty big

swings throughout the early portion of the race. And yeah, I got it into a really respectable

spot where when he did give me my wish list item that I never get given,

it was good enough to be able to manage that run the way we needed to and just have enough.

How do you work on the relationship, Driver to Crew Chief, that this is a long one,

and you guys had a ton of success? It's noisy out there. I know you're not too aware of all the

things that go on in the internet and the social media world, but it's tough, I think, to keep

relationships like this productive over the course of a long period of time. And it gets harder and

harder as things change in society and so forth. But you guys seem to have a belief in each other

that's steadfast and it doesn't seem to waver one bit.

Man, it really hasn't. And I wish I could tell you what the special formula was for that.

I don't know that there is really any one thing. I think that,

truthfully, I think it all kind of started with just a lot of respect. And you know this,

like, you know, when you come into the sport and you're a young guy and you don't know nothing

and you don't deserve any respect, but somebody that has been there for a long time in a lot of

different cases would very easily look down on someone who doesn't have any experience,

that doesn't have all the answers or doesn't, you know, have any idea what they're getting

themselves into, right? And I think for me, it was the exact opposite from him. It was a lot of

respect. It was, you know, we're not going to do this my way. We're going to do this our way.

How can we figure out how to make this the best for us? And I sensed just a large amount of respect

from a guy who had really put in a lot of time before me that I didn't feel like he had to give

me at that time. And to me, that just set us up for success from the beginning, from just a

relationship standpoint, not saying we were going to like the world on fire, but just that I thought,

man, this can work. Because as soon as a young guy receives that type of respect, well, what do

you want to do back? I want to give him all the respect in the world that I have to give because,

you know, that's how he's treated me. And that's really how it's been since the beginning.

So our working relationship is super simple. And I think that that's a lot of it is it just

started off on the right foot. Yeah. So let me ask you a question. So at the end of the race,

Chase, I got a question for you. Were you at all like, I thought Denny, I actually thought Denny

had the best Carl Day dominated was going to be able to kind of hassle you a little bit. And

honestly, man, like he couldn't even really get close to you. And I kept looking and I'm like,

dang, Chase is now starting to pull away a little bit here. Did it kind of surprise you that he

couldn't really hassle you at all or get to you? Yeah, I mean, I knew he had been good. I mean,

honestly, I hadn't been around him. You know, I knew he had led a bunch of the race, but I had

not seen him firsthand until, you know, the cycle started happening. And he had just passed me back,

you know, before that caution came out, we were way different on tires at that point. Yeah.

Um, you know, so I really wasn't sure what to expect out of him late in the run. I was,

I was thinking that he was going to make a charge at some point. And I was trying to manage my run

accordingly. And unfortunately, yeah, it was just, you know, just good enough. I do think we had room

to be better too. Like my car did different things out front that it had not done all day

because we hadn't seen it lick a lick clean air. So, um, you know, I do think there was room to be

better. But yeah, I was honestly, I was really proud of the way we managed that last run. Like,

yes, the call was great and all those things, but I thought the way we executed the final pit

stop, the final restart and, and yeah, and executed that last run, I really thought was

something to be proud of and, you know, to do it against him. And he, he, he sets the standard there

of the people that are still in the series in my opinion. So, um, really cool to be able to

outdual him when, when the opportunity presented itself and, and, uh, you know, enjoyed,

enjoyed racing him. And, and he kept me honest and had to be, had to be as perfect as I could be

for, you know, those last, especially the last 20. And I thought it was all managed really well.

So I was proud of that effort. Yeah. How's victory laying at Martinsville?

Man, it's good. They got a new clock. You hear about the new, the new clock manufacturer?

Yes. Dale knows that. Yeah, I know. I saw a display. I didn't know it was for a new clock.

It looks, it looks pretty good. I thought it looked really cool too, honestly. So I'm,

evidently that was the first one. So they changed clock manufacturers over the winter.

And that was the first one of the new manufacturers. So I thought that's kind of cool.

Why not win that one? Do you eat the hot, do you eat the hot dog?

No, I don't, I don't, I don't partake in that. Had you ever?

I think I tried one when I was a kid and that was enough for, for me. So yeah, I'm not on that.

I was there Saturday. I think I had six. I don't know how you do it.

I was pretty dang hungry after that race that I honestly thought about it and that's saying

something. Damn. All right. Considered hot dog. So I love the new point system. I love talking about

it. And I love looking at the points and seeing how, you know, certain days are affecting certain

drivers and how this thing's playing out. It's, it's really checking all the boxes for me and,

and what I really loved about the sport back in the day. And I know you were part of, you know,

part of that conversation, especially when the announcement was made. It's early in the season.

I don't think you're probably staring at points too much, but with your consistency that you guys

have and have shown over the past couple of years, you got to be feeling pretty happy or confident

in your ability to, to, you know, to make this point system work in your favor. Yeah, I think so.

I mean, I think it's a, I think it's a great format. I really do. And I've been, it's been super

interesting. I think the biggest difference in this version of the chase versus the one I remember

like in 2011, you know, Tony Stewart won 50% of the last 10 races that year. He beat Carl on a

tiebreaker at Homestead. And what blows my mind about that is, you know, Carl ran consistent

enough that that was, he still tied him, you know, he tied him at the end, but didn't have the wins.

Man, if a guy wins 50% of the final 10 races in this deal, he's going to have a 100 point lead

like Tyler has right now. So it's pretty different now. Like it's, it's similar, but it's different

in a lot of ways. And you better be running good. You better be winning, you know, you're going to

have to, you're going to have to be lights out for those last 10 because a win is, is worth an awful

lot of points. And, you know, so I'm curious to see how all that plays out. But from our standpoint,

I'm just excited to have a win this early. Like, I know that seems like really silly,

but man, we've never won a race this early in the year. Yeah, you got out of the car and said

that. Had that been something y'all talk about that morning? Why was that so top of mind?

No, I, no, it just dawned on me, you know, pretty quickly, I was like, man, I'm usually miserable

through this part of the year, you know, like, man, this is great. We gotta, you know, we gotta win

early. So yeah, I guess it's just something that I've wanted to accomplish personally. Like it's

not something we have prioritized. Like we always want to win, but it just hadn't worked out that

way. So yeah, really cool because it gives you a, it's not like, oh, the pressure's off, like

not at all. It's, it's actually the opposite. I look at it like, man, we have a great

runway now to build on this. Like you have way more time to make this better, you know, and,

and to keep trucking. So that part's really cool and not a place that we've been in. So I'm excited

for that, that chance to try and build on it and, you know, make it better. You're going to go play

around the golf today? I am. I'm fired up too. I can't wait. What is the handicap? Oh, it's not

good. It's not, I mean, I suck. Don't get me wrong. I'm, I'm like a, I don't know, 12, 13,

somewhere in there. That's pretty good. No, I wouldn't call that, I wouldn't call that bad.

Do you ever see me play? Yeah. Well, it's just bad. Like if you go play with Blaney and some of

those guys, Blaney, is that good? He's pretty good. And the one I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I was

going to say the one, the one that I'm not sure if you've heard about or not, but Scotty is,

I mean, he, he is like really good. So when you go play with those guys, they make you feel

really dumb. So I'm, I'm trying to, I'm trying to work on my, my game a little bit so I can at

least, you know, go and. Willie B was asking me, Willie B was asking me if he should buy a simulator

for his house. I think he should. That's what I told him. We're going to do sit on this money.

Go ahead. Go ahead and buy it. Be good and healthy. And yeah, I think he should. He didn't ask me my

opinion. So I'm glad he asked you. I told him, I bought a simulator like 10 years ago and us,

and we talked about prices and stuff. I said, if you wait, it's just getting more expensive every

year. Oh yeah. True story. Nothing's gotten cheaper. That's for certain. Yeah. Well, have fun.

Thanks for your time. Yeah man. We always really appreciate it because we know you were asking

you guys to step out of your, your normal lives and give us a little bit of time this morning.

Have fun on the course today and maybe we'll see you back here next week.

Yeah, man. No, I enjoyed it. Appreciate it. Always enjoy hanging out. So thanks for having me.

Well, we got some insight there on the race and good insight. As much as I want to give

Denny Bros. and Travis a hard time, Denny ran a hell of a race, man. I felt almost bad for Denny.

Having been, you know, just because he's been so dominant. Yeah, I just can't the whole race.

But he's, dude, I mean, he was swept the weekend poll. Look, we know. We get it, Travis. Good

Lord. You also wrecked Ryan Blaney. Jesus. But he's got a ton of freaking clocks. He ain't got

nothing to worry about. I mean, you could always get another one though. I know, but yeah, maybe

would have given it to me. Oh God. You wish. I'm choking. Yeah. You're just putting fuel on the

fire, aren't you? No, Jesus. You're fanning the flames. I got two of them Travis. Fanning the

flames of the haters. Hey, whatever it takes. All right. I think you like it. Oh,

there was a comment speaking of Denny Hamlin. He had a comment, I guess, after the race with

Jeff Gluck, or maybe it was on his podcast yesterday about the caution laps. Yeah.

Oh yeah. It was on the podcast. On the podcast. Yep. He was talking about a conversation around

the cautions for the caution laps. I think for the stage breaks, but it could have been just any

caution. And listen, I own a series and I understand like we are in a rush trying to get back to

green flag as quick as possible. There's a lot of scoring things that have to happen throughout

the caution. So I guess I understand NASCAR's position on trying to get back to green and I

know they're not dragging their feet, but I replied to this comment. I think Jeff Gluck

made the post and I replied to the comment and I don't really have a problem with the length

of cautions in a general part of the race where it's a natural yellow, right? Now,

some natural yellows are longer than others and they're frustrating. I'll be in the race car.

What the f**k are we doing? And they'll bring you to the hauler and say,

well, they were s**t everywhere. And you didn't know that. We were fixing this and fixing that.

And you didn't know that. So that's why we were taking so long. And so NASCAR's usually got a

good reason why a caution is what it is. My comment and I think some of Denny's points too was the

length of the stage break cautions. And I know fans are going to easily jump right on this and say,

just get rid of them. But let's all talk about the realistic possibilities of that.

It's just that is not a solution. NASCAR's, let's just assume, you know, NASCAR's not just going

to get rid of stage cautions. They're just not. No. Yeah. So let's not even have that conversation

because it's just wasting, I think, time. So, but what can we do to shorten them up?

And what could we do? So my problem really is that it eats into the next stage. So stage one

caution comes out and we'll be at some of these races with trucks and Xfinity or O'Reilly. We'll

be at some of these races with them and they'll be having like 40 lap stages. Yeah. The Pocono trucks

run almost just over 10 laps. Pocono's the perfect example. They eat into like 20% of the stage

with the caution. And that, to me, I just don't know why that doesn't signal real concern, right?

Of like, no, we shouldn't be doing that, right? We can't. Look, the stage cautions are manufactured

yellows. They are. They are what they are. They're not a real caution. They're brought out because

it's, you know, it's implemented by the sanctioning body and that yellow, since it's their responsibility

and they are the reason why we're having it, right? They're putting it on us as a fan, right?

Watching the race. All right. We got a caution. Okay. We understand what you're doing.

It shouldn't eat into some of the other, you know, the remaining part of the race, right? It

shouldn't. So what are you suggesting? I made the comment. It's like taking product off the shelf.

Really? It is. Ask away. Look at it. Yeah. And so I don't know. I think, I think we got a,

do we just not count, not count the yellows then? I don't know what you do because you got teams.

Teams are going to say, well, you know, we got all this data that we got all these computers.

We're running all these programs to do fuel mileage. NASCAR has scoring systems that would

probably go eight if you were to be scoring this caution lap and not this caution lap. And I don't

know. I don't know what the, I don't know what the technical challenges are with that. I don't.

And maybe there are none, but I don't like the idea that the stage break caution takes 20% off

of the next stage. And Pocono is the perfect example of that because the stages are so short

in the truck race or in a rally race in some of these events. They, they do use up a good chunk

of stage two or stage three. Well, the cup race is 80 laps a stage in the beginning of that race.

And the second one starts at 70. Yeah. Close to 70. There was 96 caution laps in the O'Reilly

race. That's a lot. For that, there was even a red flag at the end, but dang. Yeah. I mean, I,

look, I don't, I have the series, the cars tour race. We have, we had a, we had a very similar

issue this weekend. We're a lot of cautions. Drivers were driving like maniacs running over each

other. We had yellow after yellow after yellow. And we had a lot of yellows. And so I understand

the series is not in an easy spot, but there, there are the stage break yellows for sure

are too long. We're waiting on the caution comes out. You know, we're making sure that we're on

TV to see the pit stops. We're making sure that, you know, we're, we're opening pit road and doing

this and all these, there's just added laps that are, that's got them. And I'm my, I have to,

I have to assume that NASCAR has had this conversation internally and they just can't come

to a solution that's better than what we have. Well, then do you want to get rid of,

do you want commercials during green flag would be the, if you, I've never had a problem with

commercials during green flag. I have it. So in the cup race, the caution came out before

the end of the stage at 77. We went. So you had to, so that's a, that presents an entirely new

problem. TJ that we need to point out the caution sometimes comes out a couple of laps, four laps

or so before the stage break. And so we just roll through it. They should just call it there and

let's go to pit road and let's, yeah. I, I, it's, it's just so, it's so strange to me that we go,

well, it's, we can't go back to green because it's so close to the stage. So this is the official

end of the stage, but we're just going to run the caution laps to the stage trip. Now we're going

to go through the whole process. Guess what lap we went back green on? What lap? 96. So how many laps

is that? 19. 19 caution laps. I mean, it went, went yellow on lap 77 green on 96. I would like

if they just listened what race was this cop race Sunday. Yeah. Like you go. That's all. That is not

okay. The stage ends early. Start the second stage. Make these teams adapt. Well, I mean,

I'm okay if there's too late. That's 77. You're going to run two laps to get to the end of stage.

I'm fine. But like, what are you doing after? No, I'm saying like, if you're going to call

a caution, but two laps before the end of the stage, ended there and let's open up,

let's not drive around for two laps. And if that means stage two starts to lap sooner. So

ARCA adapt. ARCA does a halfway break at these tracks where there's no caution. If it's a

100 lap race and the cost comes out at like 45, they say, all right, this is the halfway break

right now. You're saying do that with the stages. Like if it's within five at the end of the stage,

that's the end of it. Boom. There it is. And let's get pit road ready and let's go. I mean,

all I can say is Denny's right. Oh, easy now. Travis is kind of excited. All I can say is look,

I don't want to pile on NASCAR. Denny's right. That is absolutely not

acceptable. And we got to have some serious. My opinion is that I'm sure NASCAR has had,

I mean, this isn't a new issue. This ain't a new issue. And I'm sure NASCAR has had some

internal conversations. And I'm just assuming that they haven't been able to find an alternative

solution. And they're, again, if they were sitting here, they would probably tell us

very good reason why they have it the way they have it. Even though we don't love it,

we don't love 19 laps of yellow. There's probably a really, really good reason why

it went that way or it happens that way. And there's stick to it to adhere to their protocols.

And it's, you know, but it's still frustrating, you know, to have to sit there. And I just,

you know, want them to go back racing.

All right. So the, I mentioned the cars tour. We had a ruffle, man. I don't want to spend a

whole, a whole lot of time on this, but I'm doing a recap that I'm going to put a gift of flow here

later. And I am not looking forward to doing this. I do recaps for flow for all the cars

to a race. And this is just one race where I don't really want to do it.

We start, we went to wake. Wake is a bull ring. Tiny. We've had good races there. No question,

no reason why we couldn't go back and have another one. It's short. We talked, we thought

long and hard about adding laps. And so we decided instead of 125, we'd run 175.

You know, we had, we've stopped for fuel before if we thought we needed to, to save the teams.

And so it, you know, it was probably something, absolutely something that we needed to do in

this particular race, but we didn't. And cars began to run out of gas, more yellows. It just

struck out. It was a lot of, a lot of rough, rough moments in that race.

Were the teams that ran out, were they full to start the race?

That's, you know, you would like to think that they were because it's 175 lap race. All of them

ran out for the most part in about the same amount of time, you know, when in lap or two of each

other. So you're more than likely everyone's pretty packed up. Here's the way it goes. So

here's, here's the, here's a somewhat of a recap.

The race was rough. The drivers were out of control. We've got a bit of a problem

with respect on the racetrack. That's putting it lightly. We need to race down in the corner

and not drive up underneath everybody's rear bumper bar and shovel them up the racetrack

at every opportunity because it escalates. More and more people see it, more and more people

start doing it. The next thing you know, you got the whole field driving that way. And then we have

what escalated into an intentional wreck by Doug Barnes on many Tyrell. Now, many was just as guilty

because of his role in escalating it. They ran over each other for four or five corners and it became

something that was entertaining, became ugly and unfortunate for both guys.

Then we had all of the fuel issues. The cars tour should have brought all the teams down pit

road when they started to recognize we got to a certain number of laps. That's on us. We got to

get them on pit road, put fuel in them to avoid what ended up happening, which was cars running

out of gas every now and then and having, we probably had, I don't know, half a dozen yellows

that could have been avoided. Yeah. There were some, you know, there was just some,

there was just some things that the tour didn't do well from a race control standpoint.

It wasn't our best night at all. It wasn't the best night for the drivers at all either. I think we

all equally as a series share responsibility on what type of event we have every single week.

It was entertaining still. See you now. Thank you. We have one, maybe two races that seem to go this

way every year. I believe in the people that we have in place in the tour to make sure the tour

can be great. I believe in those folks and I think that they can get it right. We want to get that one

or two race down to zero. We don't, you know, in terms of the show that we had Saturday, we kind of

want to get that, you know, get those out of the series entirely, but it's an all in kind of thing.

It takes all of us. And if the drivers are out there running over each other and creating unnecessary

yellows and destroying bumper bars and rocker panels and race cars and our veterans that are in

the series are destroying their cars because of these mistakes or these miscues and getting

frustrated, you know, it's going to add caution lapse. It's going to put us in a window where

we're now having to force ourselves down pit road to add fuel. It's going to force the series to

have to do things and decisions like that that they don't want to make, that they don't normally

make. Does adding fuel make a real hard scenario for you guys? Adding fuel doesn't make, adding,

coming down and stopping the cars and putting fuel in is not a real issue in terms. It doesn't

really change much. Now you got to do it early because you can't, you can't do it late because

some guys are, have already come to pit road, fueled up. They see the, they see the issue that's

coming and they're prepared for it. And now you've taken their advantage away. So you got to bring

them down. You've got to know the lap number. Like at Wake, we should have said, all right,

if we get the lap, if we get to 200 laps, cautions and greens, right, or whatever that number may

be, we're coming. We're not even going to chance it. We're going to, if we get to this number,

we're going to bring them to pit road. What, the reason why you don't want to do that is twofold,

right? Fueling cars on, fueling cars is dangerous. Fueling cars is dangerous. These are hot race

cars. You're going to have guys, nobody's got any protection. You're going to have guys trying to

rush to put fueling cars and it's dangerous. They're car, you know, that, that is a scary thing for me.

We don't want the liability and, and guys are all packed on pit road nose to tail. You know,

it just, it's, it could be a potential hazard. Could be. I don't love guys putting fuel in,

even when they're coming down pit road by themselves, right? Yeah. We just don't want to

add fuel during the race because we don't have, we're not fueling cars like cup cars. They have a,

you know, we don't have quick, uh, connects and all that stuff. You, you, you, you pour it into

a funnel out of a five gallon jug and it just hopefully gets all in there, right? Yeah, late

models shouldn't be refueling during the race. No, it's dangerous. The second part is, and this

isn't that, this is important, but it shouldn't affect our integrity and how we call the race.

And I've, I've, I've gave our team that information.

The broad, we're watching a broad, we have a broadcast. We got to package it neatly. If we

pull the cars down pit road and stop for 20 minutes, then we lose our audience. They,

they change to the next thing. We had modified at Martinsville. We had Nash. We had a Hickory

ARCA going on. We had a lot of competition, a lot of competition going on that night,

but that shouldn't really make us, that shouldn't really affect our decisions. And I've told our

team, I've shared with them in the past like, Hey man, we need to have a good show. We need to

think about the, the streaming audience. That's maybe some bad advice. Our guys in the booth,

Danny, everybody in the booth just needs to call a race of integrity with no regard to what

it might look like on TV, right? Just calling a race of integrity for all of our competitors who

are there and, uh, and everything else should take care of itself. So we have a race like this

every, every year and it is so disappointing, but you know, all we can do is try to tell our

competitors that we expect more out of ourselves. We expect more out of them and we hope on our end

that we're going to show up next week and get it right. Connor Jones won the race. He's worked

in the series for a long time, worked really hard. Carol team celebrated a win. They've been a big

supporter of the series for a long time. It was great to see that, uh, that group have success

going to Nashville in a couple of weeks, April 11th for the next race. And I'll be there and,

and, uh, trying to compete and you know, hopefully, hopefully we have a much smoother event than we

had at week. All right, it's time for this month's selection of our ultimate racing collector

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month's winner is Chester. Chester. Chester Jr. Let's take a look. We're going, uh, we're downstairs.

It appears in, in his man cave. There's a lot of standups on the wall headed down there. David

Alice, Davey Allison, David Allison. Um, a lot of tail pieces. Oh, whole side of Newman's car

with a Newman stand. Oh, a rookie Earnhardt bumper. There's a whole side of Dale Earnhardt's car

with a standup of Dale Earnhardt. This is insane. He's got through shuffleboard, some pool, shuffleboard,

bumper pool. Just a bunch of body panels, tons of rear bumpers. Is that a 33 pit side? My gosh.

The rear bumpers this guy has and he's got his nice, his TV with the damn 1979 Daytona 500.

Got you a little kitchenette right there. That's awesome. Man. Is that an official? Got a few

bathrooms, a couple of jackets. I don't think he has a few bathrooms. I think he's just one.

That might be two. That's all three doors. Might be a man's man, man and female bathroom. You

don't know. Oh, the old school, our STP uniform is super cool. Let's take another run through.

He's got lighting going down the stairs to make it safe. Let's take another run through. Let's

Bobby Allison and move them up top. A lot of flags hanging from the ceiling. That's cool.

The yellow caution light. Nice touch. There's a butt eight rookie stripes.

Little racing on the TV there. Got the rusty Wallace number two light over the, oh, there's a

bathroom. There it is. Race cars in the bathroom. All right. Got you a little table right here.

Have you a couple of beers? Dang a Dave Blaney 93 car and there's some bumpers. There are a lot

of bumpers on here. Again, I got the toolbox. I wonder if the toolbox is got is kind of like the

pantry spree. How about that? Nice. Yeah. Yeah. There's the Richard Petty uniform crew uniform.

Very cool. The whole thing. What's on the floor right there? I don't know. Back up just a little

bit. What was that on the floor right next to the uniform? Yeah, right. Right there. Oh, catch

cans. Okay. Got some catch cans. I think so anyway. I think you're right.

That's super cool, man. There's the uniform, the official uniform on the stand up. Pretty

awesome. Chester. He is the winner of this month's selection of the ultimate racing collector

presented by Lawnel Racing. We'll do this every month. It's, you know, if you want to win, send

in your videos. We'll tell you next time. We'll let you know when we're going to post on social

media and how to get on, get attached to that. But good job, Lester. That's Chester. Chester.

Chester. That was a great job by him. Great video. Thank you very much.

Hey, everybody. It's Dale Jr. Back again for another episode of Ask Jr. We want to thank

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First question is, how the hell did you sign Chris Buschard cards?

I was leaving the racetrack Saturday, walking out of the racetrack after the race.

And there's a bunch of autograph seekers, for lack of a better word, standing around the tunnel in turn four.

And they've got diecast. You know, they're, you know, you're going to sign a few.

And you're walking and talking. The guy hands me a book. It's got a bunch of blue and white cards.

I'm in my blue stuff. So is Buscher. And I didn't even look down. I'm talking to the guy.

I'm like, yeah, man, how's it going? Oh, man, awesome, awesome.

And then I noticed I signed Chris and I didn't notice I'd signed two. I just noticed I'd sign one.

And I was like, Oh darn, I'm so sorry. And he goes, Oh, it's okay. Bye. Bye. Bye.

And then we walked away and then I stopped and I said, Hey, let me take a picture of that.

So I walked back over and took a picture of it because I thought I'd have some fun because

Chris Buscher is an awesome dude. I know I give him a little every now and then on the show,

but it's because he has such a great personality. I really enjoy Chris.

And so I thought he'd think that was funny, which he did reply.

He said, man, it's, it happens. I imagine every, you know, you got the beard, the blue, the this,

the that. I can see you just, you're just signing and you just never know.

Next question is this weekend. Cups off, but O'Reilly is out there at Rockingham and Cletus

will be racing. Have you given any advice or what would you advice would you give him if he asked

for racing this weekend? I told Cletus to stay out of the news, right? Go race, have fun,

don't try to be, I mean, he's, he, listen,

if my expectation, and I mean this in the best possible way, my expectation is for him to,

to not be fast, right? He's not going to be a top 10 car, right? Don't try to do any hero

shit. Just go out there, run the laps, learn. He's like, man, I talked to him the other night.

He's like, man, I don't want to embarrass myself. I hope I'm, hope I can be good.

I'm like, don't even worry about being good. You don't be good in race one.

You go out, you need, you go think about the long game. Like you're going to need a bunch of races

for the starts to work. Click, make sense. This is just about going out there, running the laps,

and he's getting thrown into the game, right? He's the, you know, he's the backup quarterback

or third string guy that didn't get any reps with the one team and he's getting thrown into

the game in third quarter. Just go out there and don't make a fool of yourself. Don't force a pass

and throw that interception on the first throw. Yeah. Yeah. You turn the whole damn stadium against

you. Damn it, TJ. Don't miss a shift. Yeah, I just hope he goes out there and just go have fun.

Go be, just finish the race, right? If he finishes the race, he'll probably come out

of there with a top 20-ish maybe, and that's a success, I think. I would say that if he

doesn't wreck, doesn't crash his car, doesn't crash other cars, if that's one thing.

The other thing is, is when he's getting lapped, which is possible,

he needs to be very clear on where he wants to be on the racetrack so that he is not part

of the story, doesn't impede anybody or getting anybody's way. If he can do that, that's great,

right? And that's it. I mean, that's really it. Come on an all pit road, have some pit stops,

do everything conservatively, learn what you can learn, go through the process,

get out and go, all right, I'm ready for the next one. Yeah, I agree. That's it. I don't care

where he finishes. Yeah, just get reps. There should be nobody saying, all right, man,

I think a top 25 is doable. That shouldn't even be in the conversation. Just go out there and run

all the laps. Next question comes from the chat here. Skater Nate wants to know,

what's up with the green flag behind you? Oh, this is the green flag I was told,

and I really kind of believe it to be true, but this is the green flag. This is the green flag

that was waved at the 1998 Daytona 500, the dad one, and it's signed by Dan Marino who waved this.

Now, the reason why I believe this to be the green flag is because of the material.

This is like, if it's very, very thin, it is not a production piece. It's not like a produced,

hey, man, we're going to make a bunch of flags and have some guys sign them.

How it's pinned right here is intentional and important. Typically, production flags

are just put on the stick and then glued or whatever. There's some writing here. There's a

lot of little numbers and stuff written down here that I think has something to do with the

flagman. The length of the stick beyond the flag itself tells me that this is a race used

flag or flag that's going to be used. Usually, produced pieces usually make the stick longer,

and the length of the flag, right? Usually, produced flags are square.

This flag is rectangular in length because that is the preference of the flagman,

and years and years of flagging. He's like, that's how I want to do it. That's how I want it.

Yeah, I think this is actually the flag that was waved at the 1998. The person that gave it to

me says it was. That's pretty cool. I trust the person that gave it to me. Pretty cool to have

stuff like that. I spent my whole life not really an active collector of things, and I

haven't really been. I wasn't like, oh, I want some more. I want dad stuff. I want suits. I

didn't think I thought that stuff was out there, and it was no way I was ever going to get in my

hands on things like that. But for whatever reason, as I got older, people, some of that stuff

starting to come back in my direction, and it's not something I'm seeking out, but every now

and then, there's a person that's like, I've had this, and I've had it forever, and now it's yours.

And yeah, it's pretty cool. So I've gotten like IROC uniforms. I've gotten some really cool

uniforms of dads. I have, off top of my head, I've got a couple of good-wrench uniforms,

and he ran that car for many, many years. So there's a lot of years when he would have been in

the white uniform. But I have a 1979, 80 rookie uniform. I have the uniform that he won his

first cup race in at Bristol, and he also wore that uniform in 1980 at a few events.

I have an 81 uniform. I have an 84 uniform. So I have a Bush series uniform that he wore around

84, 85. So I've got some pretty cool stuff from way back in the day that's harder, obviously,

to find the older things. And I'm thankful that some of that stuff's found its way

into my possession. So yeah, that's pretty neat.

This next question came from on Facebook. I saw, have you had the nerd's jelly beans yet?

I've not. They looked good though. I saw them.

I don't like jelly beans. Controversial take, I know.

But have you had the, but I feel like nerds, I feel like you might like.

No? I do. But I don't like jelly beans. Can't get past it. I don't know, man. I don't like

jelly beans. They're kind of like in the licorice vein to me. They are. Yeah. The new nerd things

that come out with a year or two ago are the rope and the, no, the clusters. The clusters are awesome.

Clusters are good. Clusters are very good. Yeah, they are.

Any other Easter candy that you guys like to get?

Anything specific? I know you love your candy. Or is it just general? Does it matter?

I'm in a non-candy kind of phase. That's weird. What? I know.

Are you feeling okay? Yeah. I mean, you used to see candy.

Well, I mean, I got that giant bag from Key West like a week ago. So I'm like,

all right, time to take a little break, but. Have you bought the girl some peeps yet?

No. Do you like peeps? No, not a marshmallow kind of guy.

So there's so many different flavors they're coming out with now. Like you go to the grocery

and look at the wall. There are so many different flavors. Have you seen it? Yeah,

but I'm just so many. I feel like as a kid, I would eat a couple, but now as an adult,

like just eating a marshmallows. Not in my, not on my list. Yeah. Yeah. Kids love them.

Kids tear them up. I know. I don't. Yeah. My girls love deep marshmallows. I don't.

Yeah, they do. Yeah. I think it's just a kid thing maybe. Yeah. I don't know. Oh, so now they're

having a debate on, somebody said they're a big Pop-Tart guy. Another guy said that they love

toaster strudels. Either of those. I saw something get advertised. Was there like a,

I guess they're making Pop-Tart ice cream now? Like literally there's like, it's like a

Pop-Tart on a, like an ice cream stick. I don't know if it's true or not, but I saw something

about it. Are they like grind smashing the Pop-Tart up? I don't know. Type it in. I don't know.

I don't really think you're, I don't know if I've ever even seen you eat a Pop-Tart.

Have you ever eaten a Pop-Tart? Oh yeah. Really? Strawberry? I've ate a Pop-Tart, but then I

look at the, how many calories is it? Oh, it's bad. It's so bad. It's like 700 or something. Yeah,

it is a lot. That made me think about it. Did you see that? No, there's no way. Per serving. Yeah,

but there's like 12 servings in a box. So if I'm going to eat 400 calories, I'm going to eat more

than just a one single Pop-Tart. Because that's not going to fill you. No, it's crazy that there's

that many calories in that size of a meal, right? I mean, I could, I'd rather get a, you know,

I don't know. Is there an ice cream? Oh, there it is. Right there. Ice, ice cream Pop-Tart? Pop-Tart

ice cream. Oh my gosh. Oh, so that, the good humor. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, good humor. That's some

really good stuff. I've never, dude, they're so good. It's funny. Not, not so much the Pop-Tart

ones. They're fine. I'm sure, but the regular good humor bars. Yeah. They got, I think they got

strawberry and they got chocolate. They got Oreo. Oh, I've had cookies and cream. Yeah,

that's good chocolate before. It's really good. So good. Yep. Good humor bars. That good humor

cream sickle and good humor, you know. Now that's worth the calories. Yeah.

Cream sickle ice cream. Oh man. Is, is top three. Not nowadays, but I agree. What are your

top three ice cream flavors? Cream sickle, lime sherbet, mint chocolate chip.

Vanilla, orange sherbet and birthday cake, cake batter. Vanilla? Yeah, I like vanilla, man. It's

good. I'm with teach. Like I get a vanilla. It's good. I know it's good, but it's top three. I mean,

vanilla is good, but it's like you've got all the world in front of you, all the flavors. I know,

but I want one like that I can always go back to. Good. It's a classic. It's classic. Flavors

important, but like vanilla is like five, six. Vanilla is a staple. It's locked into the top 10.

Okay. Okay. Rocked in.

We got some Rocky road fans. Rocky road. Yeah, I can't go. You got anybody saying vanilla?

Is anybody in there got vanilla in their top three? It wouldn't be my top three,

but a good like vanilla, like milkshake is talking about top threes. I need to hear other

people saying vanilla. Somebody says cake batter tastes like straight sugar. What is everybody

in there's opinion about TJ picking vanilla? Wolf is liking the vanilla. He's an aptly named

mtg place cookies and cream mint mint chip and vanilla.

58 music. I rock with vanilla Brett. Canny. Vanilla is great. Have you had enough yet? I like vanilla.

It's in my top. You're gonna like it more now. You can go tell me what French vanilla

Mitchell says vanilla is the goat. All right. Anybody saying TJ's crazy? TJ's a crazy man.

Get him out of here. Just no lone wolf would have been it vanilla in the top three. I can't put it

in my top three. TJ did. I could do like my top five. It's hard. If you said you got ice cream,

you got a belly. Yeah, that's fine. You're always going to take it. TJ's like, Hey man,

my favorite numbers zero double zero one

and 10 and and 99. The people are proving you wrong here. I don't agree. I don't know. We don't

know the whole story. We got a TJ's crazy. Oh, well, it's not top three, but top 10 for sure.

Lean him back the other way. No, it's not. One world says no, we love TJ. There you go.

That's the other way. Some are all these people. TJ's family members. What is going on here?

Is that what happens when we do these lives? It's just TJ's family watching.

So we barely have TJ. We barely have internet. Yeah.

TJ should be in jail. Send TJ home for the day.

What do you think about Neapolitan? Someone put that in there. Yeah, I know. I can't get

my grandma would always have it. It's like that's the ice cream she'd have, like no.

I will say I do like the idea that I don't have to change. I don't have to go to the

I do like not having to go to the freezer to get the other bucket out. I just got to move the spoon

over an inch to get something different. Somebody said TJ's favorite color is beige.

And Neapolitan is really lazy people. They're like, man, just put it all in one bucket.

Who put the pull up for us? Is vanilla top 10? We're not debating if it's top 10. Is that you,

Elijah? Go Elijah. No, he said top 10 though. We want to know if it's top three. Dude's making his

eight. Absolutely. He's over here. He's over here living his life. Let him do his thing.

He doesn't need any direction. How about the ice cream sandwich? Let's move on from

less flavors to now we're going to do top three ice cream treats. All right. Now the ice cream

sandwich is an Odie and a goodie. Yes, but it'd be like putting, you know, TJ putting vanilla

top three. I can't go ice cream sandwich in my top three. Did you get them in school a lot?

The ice cream? Yeah. And they little cups of ice cream. Simple, good, serve to purpose,

but not my favorite. Did you guys ever have the Schwann man? Oh yeah, there's a lot of

ice. They drive around and you just deliver ice cream. Yeah, it's awesome. You know the

Klondike bars? Oh yeah. Used to have those as a sponsor. We had Klondike. Klondikes are awesome.

They are awesome, but damn are they messy. They are. They break up, but it's good. How come

they can't figure out a better way for those things to be to be consumed because you take,

you get the Klondike bar and you take a bite and now it's just busted and it's, it's just going to

melt into pieces. I won't eat ice cream sandwiches anymore because tell them if the freeze are open

one time and I had a box of them in there. So they don't even melt and I'm like, I'm not eating that.

Have you tried the Snickers or Twix ice cream bar? I want to. Is there a Biscoff ice cream?

That'll change your life. Snickers is a pretty good ice cream bar. It'll change your life.

I got a complex though about things that are like, I cannot put

a brand name candy that's now turned ice cream in my top three.

Like a Reese's ice cream. You're not doing that.

I can't because it was candy first and it doesn't, it, it don't, you know, it don't

have the, it ain't paid the dues. So it's like a racing in the O'Reilly series. It just can't.

I'm surprised we didn't say, I'm surprised Reese's wasn't on your list somewhere because you like

Reese's. I like Reese's, but Reese's, Reese's is good. Somebody just had a classic. They mentioned

the Choco Taco. Those are good. Yeah. So I would say a good humor bar. The chocolate eclair

is in my top three of ice cream treats. I would also say

Klondike. No, really? No, because they're too messy. You got it. You're almost in a race against

the clock to eat. Oh, they melt so fast. I don't like that. Yeah. Um,

you're going to race against the clock with you are always like when you had the

let's look at some treats. What's that hit the red, the big red square right there in the middle.

Boom. Hit that. Bring that up. Okay. What do we got there? We got a cold. The cookie sandwich,

the cookie ice cream. Yeah, I do too. Um, all the classic, uh, whatever that thing in the middle

top row is. Yeah. What is it? Like a top, top, top middle, the drumstick. Yeah. Like those are

doing the drumstick drumsticks in my top three. Yeah, me too. And I know I said cream sickle

flavor is in my three, but it does cream sickle, you know, frozen ice cream. Can we find a way

to get the sugarlands cream sickle into a adult popsicle? I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure

that'd be amazing. The chocolate chip cookie sandwich is a, is a, it's a good one. And that's

a good way to keep the ice cream together. I feel like it's not too much. It's just too much. It is

heavy. Like, and they start putting chocolate chips like from back in the day. I don't remember

them putting chocolate chips. What are some of the ones we're missing? I'm sure there's some

badass ice cream treats out there that we're not even thinking about. Yeah. What are they saying

in the chat? The drumsticks definitely on our top, my top three. Let's go images.

All right. Oh, a lot of cookies, a lot of cookies. I love that drumstick. What about the

bomb pop? It's not ice cream, but what's the bomb pop? The popsicle? The red, white, blue thing.

Now, I mean, it's a stable, but it ain't. Oh, something in the chat, the Flintstone push pops.

Do you remember those? Yeah. They were good. Another, another race against time. That's what I

was thinking. That thing starts dripping out the bottom of it. It's pretty messy. Yeah, it is.

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and Russ is called in. Good to see Russ. And yeah, pretty good buddy. Tim's is here. Travis,

TJ Majors, right off the top, man. You did a good job this past weekend.

Teeing up the, you gave out the name Chase Elliott as somebody for us to be paying attention to,

and he pulls through with the wins. Tim, you had a bet on him at plus 900 to win.

Yes, I did. Thank you, Russ. Yes. Welcome. That's two in a row predictor, two in a row

for the predictor. You told us to avoid Reddick. I don't think that was a big surprise.

Reddick has struggled there. He admitted that he wasn't, you know, too excited about that event.

But shout out to the predictor. We'll give the predictor a hard time.

TJ does. TJ does. I think everybody does. I respect mostly TJ mostly. But the predictor

is pretty bad ass. No cup racing this weekend. Just trucks. No rally at Rockingham. Sammy Smith

won there last year after I think love was disqualified. Yeah. Who's the favorite this weekend?

Oh, it's got to be your guy. I'll go. Damn two in a row. You know, he was caught up in a wreck

there last year. I think he was running top five towards the end. You know, he's going for three

in a row junior motorsports going for six in a row. It's got to be a junior motorsports car.

I know Jesse love was really fast there last year, but you guys got it going on this year.

Well, right now, it's Winstryk. The JRM has ever had this one. Five in a row. Is it the longest

all time is Gibbs at six. So going to tie. Oh, wow. Yeah, man, you coming. I will not be there.

I'm going to Texas for all that's right. Yep. Got to go do the family thing. But I'll be watching

and pulling for our group. You know, there's a there's no lines out right now.

No, it's tough. What do we do? He's got picked names out of a hat here. Who are some other names?

One that is not going to be towards the very top, but we got to look at Brent Cruz this weekend. He

won an archer East race there last year. He's he's in Gibbs equipment. I think he's he's one we have

to really seriously look at for a long shot is Parker Redslaw finished second last year.

Russ, do you see he's had a good year so far? Good top 10 better. I know, man. He I cannot

bet Parker. I can't bet Parker because he lost to the computer in our Xbox college football

dynasty. Oh, that's top. That's bad. That is very makers are not very suspect. Does the predictor

know about this? Yeah, maybe he's more focused on the race. No, you can't recover from that.

You don't two weeks. You don't. He's probably going to kick her ass tonight in their league

race. God, yeah. The predictor would say that at Rockingham, by the way, it's it. No, it's it.

Yeah, Chicago. Oh, it's a Chicago still gonna win. It doesn't matter if it was Rockingham or

Chicago or wherever. Yeah. He's having a good year, though. So oh, dude, that team is doing a

hell of a job. They are. They really are. For trucks, Corey Heim, he'll be driving the number one

for Tricon. Do we feel as confident about Corey Heim in a part time schedule as, you know, he was

pretty automatic last year. Where's your guts? Yes. Oh, really? No doubt. No doubt. You can't.

You can't be as confident in them because there's no way. Why not? Because you're not. Well, he might

be with a different crew chief. He is. He's with a different truck. It might be completely. He might

be. He won't. He won't. Darlington in the five truck. He's never been with before. Okay. And he's

been with a quantity this year. I'm just saying it's not as easy to that continuity is not as easy

when you host of ours is going to be racing in the 77 for Spire. I feel like host of our

could have a really good weekend. Yeah, I really do. I feel like Carson could have a really good

weekend. I would take the field. I really would. I like Lane. I think it's a better bit. Yeah,

I like Lane to win rigs. Truck race could be really good. What's a number that you wouldn't

bet Corey Heim at? Like what would you need to see if it's got a plus next to it? I'm probably

betting Corey Heim, too. What do you think the odds are on the field? If you took the field,

I actually think it would be. So it'd probably be Heim and host of our high will probably be like

plus 150. A host of our would probably be around plus 300. I actually think Lane Riggs would be

like plus 900 and I would take that. What about Honeycutt? Honeycutt's on there too. I think he's

around like plus 800 plus 100. I feel like this could be the weekend that he breaks through. Yeah,

it's going to be pretty interesting. Who are some of the dark horses, maybe, or somebody that

could surprise us in the rally race? I know we mentioned Parker, but it's pretty interesting

field of cars and drivers and you're going to have Cletus out there. What do you think Cletus

ends up? What's the predictor tell us about that? I'll take the over.

Do they interview him during the race?

That's a very valid question. I'd say the odds are high, but I love that he's in the race.

Like he tested there, did well in the test, right? So I watched this video. He busted his ass in turn

three and saved it, but still like I know, but he's been there twice in a truck and in a rally car

and lost control of the car and the truck each time at some point and that's on the racetrack

all alone. I just, I know that he can stay in his lane or in his box, but he doesn't, he's not,

he's not familiar with a lot of the arrow situations he's going to find himself in

and he might drive into a situation aerodynamically that could be problematic.

Just like Daytona, right? That was an arrow thing, how he spun that truck out off the floor

and he didn't realize that was a bad spot, right? Or that that could happen and it kind of jump

up and bit him. I really feel like turn two is a tough spot at Rockingham. It sneaks up on people.

It's a really tight exit late. Yep. So yeah, I agree. The odds are high that he's maybe getting

interviewed before the end of the race and obviously I think we're all happy that he's

trying to go do this, but it's, it's going to be a real challenge. I'm curious how much

SimTime he's had. Probably tons. I think that he's gotten all the prep that would be necessary and

possible. So I feel like I feel like this time doesn't, doesn't sometimes missing a tons of

bells and whistles. I'm with Russ on the JRM cars too. I feel like they're going to be really good

there as well. I know, I know Carson likes that place a lot too and Sammy got the win. What about

Corey Day starting to show some, you know, get closer and closer, inching further and

further up that grid. Corey Day has put together probably the best two race week that I've seen

him do at tough places. Yeah. Arguably two of the toughest places that we go and he's going to have

a fast car. Yeah. Honestly, I like, I like the direction Corey Day is heading in right now as

well. Like he's not making the big mistakes now. He's hanging out racing with guys like he's doing

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