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Detroit’s Mobility Success Isn’t Happening in a Vacuum with John McElroy, President of Blue Sky Productions and Host of Autoline

Detroit’s Mobility Success Isn’t Happening in a Vacuum with John McElroy, President of Blue Sky Productions and Host of Autoline

The Mobility Table May 05, 2026 31 min
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Detroit’s mobility future is framed as bigger than the auto industry, with John McElroy arguing that electrification, automation, drones, and other new modes are creating a fresh sector. The conversation contrasts legacy automakers with startups, urges Detroit to study China’s pace and methods, and points to the region’s deep manufacturing base as a major advantage. It also stresses that real momentum will come from entrepreneurs, private capital, and a clearer regional strategy.

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Company

GEM

"I am your host Bernard Swicky, VP of Mobility and Research at GEM. And I am Janine Gantt, the Mobility Engagement Officer for the Global EpiCenter of Mobility and we are really happy to have you here today."

GEM is the organization the host works for, and it’s mentioned as part of the broader effort around mobility in the Detroit region.

Company

Global EpiCenter of Mobility

"And I am Janine Gantt, the Mobility Engagement Officer for the Global EpiCenter of Mobility and we are really happy to have you here today."

The “Global EpiCenter of Mobility” is an organization involved in promoting and coordinating mobility efforts. The hosts are saying it’s part of the network working on future transportation in Detroit.

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advanced mobility

"This new emerging ecosystem related to advanced mobility is critically important for the Detroit region and I think we've had a lot of really good guests that have come in and talked about a variety of different kind of topics as it relates to advanced mobility."

“Advanced mobility” just means the next wave of transportation beyond today’s cars—like electric vehicles and smarter, more connected tech. The hosts are talking about how Detroit is preparing for that future.

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electrified, automated automotive

"Now, when we talk of mobility, which is electrified, automated automotive, but it's also things that fly, float, aerospace, you name it, right?"

They’re talking about cars that use electricity instead of gas, and cars that can drive with less help from the human driver. That can range from advanced safety features to full self-driving.

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mobility sectors

"My grand vision is, can we be to all those mobility sectors what we historically have been to automotive, right?"

They mean different kinds of transportation businesses, not just regular cars. The idea is Detroit should lead across many vehicle types.

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headwinds vs tailwinds

"people are talking a lot about these headwinds that we're receiving. And an innovator doesn't see them as headwinds, they see them as tailwinds."

They’re using a metaphor: “headwinds” are things that slow you down, and “tailwinds” are things that push you forward. The point is to treat problems as something you can work on.

Company

SAE Society of Automotive Engineers

"You know, I remember the old SAE Society of Automotive Engineers tagline used to be freedom through mobility."

SAE is a well-known engineering organization for the auto industry. Mentioning its tagline is a way of pointing to the long-running idea that engineering can improve how people get around.

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electrification

"Because now that we're in the midst of this electrification, automation, everything happening simultaneously, competition from China, we're spreading automotive technology into other mobility sectors."

Electrification means cars are moving away from gasoline engines and toward electric motors. That also changes charging needs and how the whole system around driving works.

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automation

"Because now that we're in the midst of this electrification, automation, everything happening simultaneously, competition from China, we're spreading automotive technology into other mobility sectors."

Automation is when a car can help drive itself using sensors and computers. Depending on the level, it can steer, brake, and accelerate with less driver input.

Term

overhead camshafts

"I remember getting excited about rolled fillets on crankshafts and engines and overhead camshafts and things like that."

An overhead camshaft is part of an engine that controls when the valves open and close. Putting it up in the cylinder head can help the engine time things more accurately.

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crankshafts

"I remember getting excited about rolled fillets on crankshafts and engines and overhead camshafts and things like that."

The crankshaft is the main rotating part inside a gas engine. It turns the up-and-down motion of the pistons into the spinning motion that powers the car.

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drones

"I'm sure you will probably get into it, drones and things like that. But I mean, that didn't exist back then."

Drones are flying devices that can be controlled remotely or fly on their own. Here, they’re mentioned as part of the broader future of transportation beyond cars.

Concept

Toyota production system

"There was a great book that came out at MIT called The Machine that Changed the World. [726.8s] Everybody studied the Toyota production system. And what happened by the early 90s? Certainly the mid 90s."

Toyota developed a manufacturing method that tries to make factories more efficient. The big idea is to reduce waste and keep improving the process so cars get built faster and with fewer problems.

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lean manufacturing

"Everybody studied the Toyota production system. And what happened by the early 90s? Certainly the mid 90s. Detroit had totally caught up in terms of productivity."

Lean manufacturing is about running a factory more efficiently. Instead of doing things “just in case,” it tries to cut out wasted time and materials so the work flows smoothly.

Company

Fisher Body

"So here's another World War Two analogy. Back in the Second World War, Fisher body, [798.5s] which was one of the big divisions of General Motors at the time, adopted the slogan, when the strong arm fails, think your way to victory."

Fisher Body was a GM-related company that built car bodies. The host brings it up to highlight a World War II-era mindset: when brute force isn’t enough, improve how you think and work.

Concept

critical mass

"They still have not reached a critical mass. And I could not tell you which of those are going to be the ones that emerge…"

It means a tipping point—when enough people and resources join in that the idea starts growing on its own.

Company

GM

"...even the legacies like GM and Ford recognize this. Ford created Skunkworks out in California... General Motors has set up its software and product development..."

GM is a major car company. In this episode, they’re described as trying to modernize how they build cars and software by working more independently from their usual old processes.

Concept

Skunkworks

"Ford created Skunkworks out in California to come up with a radically different way of manufacturing cars to slash the cost of making an EV."

“Skunkworks” means a special, fast team inside a company that tries new ideas with fewer rules. Here it’s described as helping Ford find cheaper ways to build EVs.

Concept

VTOL

"Well, the whole VTOL thing. I call them drones. Don't talk to the VTOL manufacturers and call them drones. They hate that. They call them vertical takeoff or landing."

VTOL means a vehicle can take off and land vertically, like a helicopter. The host thinks this kind of air mobility could be a big change soon.

Concept

last mile delivery

"We've seen things like last mile delivery kind of approaches, whether it's electric scooters."

“Last mile delivery” is the final part of shipping—getting a package from a local hub to your house or business. The episode suggests new delivery methods are being tried for that last step.

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electric scooters

"...last mile delivery kind of approaches, whether it's electric scooters. I think there's even going to be a lot of more interest in pedal vehicles, electric assist..."

Electric scooters are battery-powered scooters for short trips. They’re often used as a practical way to get around for quick errands or commuting gaps.

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electric assist

"...I think there's even going to be a lot of more interest in pedal vehicles, electric assist, you know, e-bikes are all over the place."

Electric assist means a bike helps you when you pedal, usually with a small motor. It makes riding easier—especially on hills or longer rides—without turning it into a full motorcycle.

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e-bikes

"...electric assist, you know, e-bikes are all over the place."

E-bikes are regular bikes with a motor that helps you pedal. The host mentions them as increasingly popular for everyday transportation.

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autonomy

"Exactly. And autonomy. We're going to have all kinds of autonomous little, you know, we have already seen that in Ann Arbor."

Autonomy here means self-driving capability—systems that can handle driving tasks without a person constantly doing everything.

Company

Domino's

"You know, Domino's was experimenting. I think it was Domino's. I hope I got that right."

Domino's is a well-known pizza company, and the host says it tried using self-driving vehicles for deliveries.

Concept

autonomous little cars

"Domino's was experimenting. I think it was Domino's. I hope I got that right. I hope I got the right piece of company there. But it was delivering with little autonomous cars that would drive up and down the sidewalk."

They mean self-driving vehicles. These are small cars or robots that can navigate and move around without a human driver, often using cameras and sensors to understand where they are.

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new mobility

"But the new mobility is going to change that. Here's one thing I want to add though. We need a strategy."

“New mobility” means transportation is evolving—how people get around and how deliveries happen is changing, not just with cars but with new technologies and services.

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EV

"So not just EV and automotive, but what other opportunities and things can be manufactured, frankly, with the assets that we have, and the research and development folks that we have here."

EV means electric vehicle—cars that run on electricity from a battery instead of gas.

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Blue Sky Productions

"We have everything here to be able to be a leader of a broader industry. Totally agree. And you hit on it, the manufacturing capability. ... I love the fact that you guys are involved in it. That's the future of this region. I don't think GM, Ford or Stellantis are going away."

Blue Sky Productions is the company John McElroy is with. In this conversation, it’s mentioned as part of the broader effort to support new technology and startups in the region.

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innovation to enter the vehicle itself

"So that sounds like a domino that needs to fall, if we're going to truly live up to this vision of finding easier pathways for this innovation to enter the vehicle itself, right? We keep talking about, hey, we have to get GM and Ford and Stellantis, you know,"

This is about getting new technology from inventors into real cars. It’s not just inventing something—it’s also getting it approved and built into vehicles.

Company

Ford

"We keep talking about, hey, we have to get GM and Ford and Stellantis, you know, more agile and more cutting edge and all that. I don't think we should rely on them to be the leaders."

Ford is another major car manufacturer mentioned in the conversation. The host is saying the future innovation might come more from entrepreneurs than from big automakers acting alone.

Company

Stellantis

"We keep talking about, hey, we have to get GM and Ford and Stellantis, you know, more agile and more cutting edge and all that. I don't think we should rely on them to be the leaders."

Stellantis is a big automaker group mentioned in the discussion. The point is that even though companies like this matter, the real innovation push may come from startups and entrepreneurs.

Car

Ford Edge

"...tellantis, you know, more agile and more cutting edge and all that. I don't think we should rely on the..."

The Ford Edge is a mid-size SUV made for regular driving, like commuting and family trips. It’s designed to give you extra space and a higher driving position than a typical sedan. People talk about it when discussing what to look for in a practical SUV.

Company

New Lab

"...I think I come back to the true entrepreneurs, those who are putting business plans together, going out and scraping up the money, whether they're in New Lab or other places to do these things, that's where the future is. And so I love the fact that you brought up New Lab. I love the fact that you guys are involved in it."

New Lab is mentioned as a hub for startups and entrepreneurs. The idea is that it helps people build plans, find funding, and turn new ideas into something that can actually be used.

Term

AI

"...why are all these automotive companies investing in AI? ...You're not an AI expert..."

AI means “smart” computer software that can learn patterns and make decisions. The discussion is about whether car companies should build that expertise themselves or rely on specialists.

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computer-aided manufacturing

"...computer-aided design, computer-aided manufacturing came out, General Motors was heavily involved in developing that."

Computer-aided manufacturing (CAM) is software that helps factories build parts more accurately. It turns design plans into instructions for machines.

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computer-aided design

"...when computer-aided design, computer-aided manufacturing came out, General Motors was heavily involved in developing that."

Computer-aided design (CAD) is software engineers use to draw and design parts on a computer. It helps them plan a car’s components before building them.

Company

General Motors

"...computer-aided design, computer-aided manufacturing came out, General Motors was heavily involved in developing that. Well, maybe that made sense 40 years ago..."

General Motors is a big old-line car company. The hosts are using it as an example of how a major automaker used to lead big technology shifts, like computer-aided design.

Term

powertrain

"...okay, I can buy seats and dashboards and wheels and suspension parts, but the core thing is the powertrain, right? ...especially the engine."

The powertrain is what makes the car move—basically the engine/motor and the parts that send power to the wheels. The point here is that car companies used to focus most on owning that part.

Term

transmission

"...go ask anybody, hey, how many gears are in that transmission of yours? They'd have no clue."

The transmission is the gearbox that helps the engine work well at different speeds. The point being made is that many people don’t know details like how many gears their car has.

Concept

automaker

"So what you've really got to concentrate on is what's really core for an automaker. I would argue there's only three things."

An automaker is the company that makes cars and sells them under its brand. The discussion is about which parts of the process they should do themselves.

Concept

buyer experience

"...You have to design the vehicle inside and out. You have to market and sell the brand and you have to control the buyer experience. You can pretty much outsource everything else."

Buyer experience means what it’s like to shop for the car and deal with the brand afterward. The point here is that the automaker should manage that part closely.

Concept

OEMs

"...As these OEMs and the legacy look to outsource, right? To do things differently, to do things in a more agile way than they have in the past."

OEMs are the main car companies that make the vehicles in the first place. The idea here is that they can hire other companies to do some tasks, but they still manage the big-picture parts of the car business.

Concept

outsourcing

"...As these OEMs and the legacy look to outsource, right? To do things differently, to do things in a more agile way than they have in the past."

Outsourcing means a car company pays other companies to do some jobs for them. Here, they’re saying that helps automakers move quicker and adapt more easily.

Concept

agile way

"...To do things differently, to do things in a more agile way than they have in the past."

“Agile” is a way of building and improving things faster by making changes in smaller steps. In cars, it usually means the company can adjust sooner as technology and customer needs evolve.

Term

software defined batteries

"an example where my studio is just down the road from it is this startup company that's working on sdvs, you know, software defined batteries. So you can do all and it's it's cutting edge stuff."

It means the battery’s behavior is controlled by software. Instead of one fixed way of charging and using the battery, the system can adjust to what the vehicle or grid needs.

Term

carbon capture for locomotives

"There is another company that's just a couple of miles from my studio that's working on carbon capture for locomotives. Who knows about this stuff? Nobody knows about this stuff."

It’s technology meant to grab carbon dioxide from a train’s exhaust. The goal is to keep that CO₂ from going into the air.

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