A “high-downforce” setup means the car is designed to push down harder onto the road. More downforce usually helps the tires stick better when you’re going fast, especially on a race track.
Willow Springs is a famous race track in California where people drive cars on the track. It’s the sort of place where you can really feel how well a car grips at speed.
“Low drag” means the car is designed to push through the air more easily. That can help it go faster, but it may not stick to the road as strongly as a car with more downforce.
This is when you go from flooring it to slamming the brakes quickly at high speed. That sudden change shifts the car’s weight and can make the back end feel lighter or less planted, depending on the aero setup.
“The back gets light” means the rear tires aren’t gripping as firmly because the car’s weight shifts forward. It can make the car feel twitchy or less controllable until the load comes back.
A “big wing” is a spoiler-like aero part that helps press the rear tires to the road. The idea is that at high speed it improves stability and grip, especially when you’re changing from fast to slow quickly.
They’re talking about how the car’s shape affects airflow and balance. At very high speeds, the car’s weight shifts, and that changes how stable it feels—so it’s not just about corner grip.
A “tri-motor hybrid” is a hybrid car that uses three electric motors. Those motors help the car accelerate and can make power delivery feel very immediate.
A “twin turbo” engine uses two turbochargers to cram more air into the cylinders. More air means the engine can make more power, and the “2.88 liter” is the engine size.
Term
revv to 11
“Revs to 11” means the engine spins extremely fast before it hits its limit. That can help it make power, but it’s harder on the engine than a low-rev design.
“Willow” is a famous race track in California (Willow Springs). The speaker is saying the car is so fast that you basically can’t drive it gently there.
“Sticky” is a way of saying the tires grip the road really well. That usually means the car feels stable and doesn’t slide around as easily.
Concept
time published
They’re talking about controlling whether lap times get officially recorded and shared. If a time gets published, it can turn into a “record” that people compare against later.
The Porsche Carrera GT is a very rare, high-performance supercar made by Porsche. Because it’s so limited, it’s often treated like a special collectible. The discussion is about how expensive cars like this get bought and sold through dealer networks.
The Lamborghini 350 GT is an older Lamborghini that was made as a luxury-style sports car for long drives. It’s considered a classic and collectible model. The podcast is mentioning it as part of a set of rare cars that dealers buy and sell.
Max throttle is when you push the gas pedal all the way down. It asks the car for its strongest power, and some high-end cars may temporarily change how they run other systems to keep power available.
The AC compressor is the part that makes the air conditioner actually cool the cabin. On some fast cars, it may shut off briefly when you’re driving hard so the car can use that power elsewhere.
An electric compressor is the AC pump powered by electricity. Even with electric power, the car may still reduce or shut it off when you’re driving at full power to avoid overloading the system.
A road tire is the kind of tire you can drive on legally on public roads. The point here is that even though it’s not a track-only tire, it still grips really well.
Understeer is when you turn the steering wheel but the car doesn’t rotate enough, so it tends to go wide. It usually happens when the front tires don’t have enough grip.
Oversteer is when the back of the car slips a bit and the car rotates more than you expected. It often happens when the rear tires lose traction first.
A tri-motor setup means the car has three electric motors working together. That can make the car feel very responsive because power can be sent to the wheels quickly and precisely.
A yoke is a steering setup that looks more like a bar than a normal round steering wheel. It can feel different in your hands and change how you steer quickly or precisely.
Drifting is when you steer so the back of the car slides sideways while you keep going through the turn. It’s a controlled form of oversteer, not just losing traction.
A-pillars are the structural posts at the front of the car that hold up the roof and sit next to the windshield. Their position can block or shape what you see, which changes how you judge corners.
Term
reference points
Reference points are visual landmarks you use to decide when to brake and when to turn. Instead of judging from the road outside the car, you can also use things inside the car—like where the A-pillar lines up—to help you place the car.
An open-wheel car is a race car where the wheels stick out where you can see them. The driver area is usually very tight, so it can be hard to get comfortable and move around.
A “comfort seat” is a version of the racing seat designed to be easier to live with. It usually gives you more room and is meant to feel better over longer drives than a track-only bucket seat.
Recaro is a well-known seat manufacturer that supplies performance and racing seats to many car makers and aftermarket customers. Here, the host specifically calls out a Recaro “road car seat” used as the comfort-seat option, implying it’s designed for better fit and long-distance usability.
“G loads” are how hard the car is pushing you during driving—like turning hard or braking hard. High G loads can make you feel like you’re being pressed sideways or into the seat, so the seat has to hold you in place.
A track bucket seat is a racing seat with deep sides that hold you in place. It’s usually less roomy than a comfort seat, but it helps you stay supported when you’re cornering hard.
The Ford Mustang GT is a sporty Mustang model. The host is using it as a comparison for how the seat feels—basically saying the seat setup is similar, but the cornering forces (and how the seat supports you) are different.
The Gordon Murray Automotive T.50 is a rare, very high-performance supercar. People talk about it because it’s designed in a unique way and feels different from typical supercars. In the episode, it’s mentioned as another standout example of an extreme road car.
The McLaren F1 is a very expensive, very fast supercar made in small numbers. People talk about it because it was built to be unusually extreme for its time. It’s mentioned when discussing the most impressive supercars ever made.
A motor generator is a hybrid part that can either drive the car with electricity or recharge itself. Here, it helps the car shift more smoothly by managing power between the engine and the transmission.
A single-clutch gearbox uses one clutch to connect and disconnect engine power to the transmission. The challenge is that single-clutch shifts can feel less seamless than dual-clutch systems, so this car uses its hybrid motor generator to smooth the transition.
A dual-clutch transmission uses two clutches so the next gear is ready before you need it. That’s why it usually shifts quickly and smoothly, and the host says this car can imitate that sensation.
Track Plus mode is a special driving setting meant for track driving. It makes the suspension much stiffer, and it also changes how the car manages shifting and smoothness.
DCT means dual-clutch transmission, a type of gearbox known for quick, smooth shifts. The host is saying that in this car’s track conditions, it doesn’t feel as much like that anymore, so you have to be more careful about when you shift.
“Loaded up in a corner” means the car is working hard in the turn and the tires are under a lot of stress. The host is warning that shifting at that moment can be less smooth, so you should be careful about when you change gears.
Traction control helps the car keep from spinning its tires. If the wheels start slipping, it reduces power and/or uses the brakes so the car can hook up and accelerate more smoothly.
The Lamborghini Aventador SVJ is a supercar with a very punchy, dramatic driving feel. The speaker is comparing the way this other car jolts during hard shifts to how the Aventador SVJ can feel when it snaps into power.
A sequential transmission shifts through gears in order, one step at a time. That usually makes shifts quicker and more repeatable than a traditional gate-style shifter.
Power shifting means you shift gears while still demanding a lot of power from the engine. Because the car doesn’t fully “let go” between gears, the shift can feel abrupt or forceful.
It’s when the car suddenly feels like it “jerks” or “kicks” as the powertrain changes how it sends power to the wheels. It can happen when shifting or when the car decides to change how much torque it’s putting down.
Buffeting is when the wind hits the car in a rough, uneven way and you feel it “pushing” or vibrating around you. Some cars are calmer, while others make the air turbulence feel loud or uncomfortable.
LMP means a special kind of race car used in endurance racing, like the 24 Hours of Le Mans. The speaker is saying the vehicle feels like it’s based on that kind of race-car design and behavior.
Car
Gunther Works F-26
The Gunther Works F-26 is a very extreme race car built to stick to the road using aerodynamics. At high speed it makes so much downforce that the tires can keep gripping even in situations that would normally make a car lose contact with the ground.
Horsepower is a way to describe how strong a car’s engine is. More horsepower usually means the car can accelerate harder, but it also needs the right tires, brakes, and cooling to use that power safely.
Car
morgan three-wheeler
The Morgan three-wheeler is a weird-but-fun Morgan car with three wheels instead of four. That makes it feel and look different, and the host is using it as an example of a car that’s special to drive.
The Morgan three-wheeler is a small vehicle with three wheels instead of four. People like it because it feels different and fun to drive. The podcast is describing it as a more special version of that kind of three-wheeler experience.
A “track record” is the best recorded performance time or achievement on a specific race track under defined conditions. In hypercar talk, it’s shorthand for whether a car is engineered to be fastest on track rather than optimized for other goals like comfort, luxury, or a broader customer experience.
The Lamborghini Countach is a famous supercar known for its bold, unusual look. It’s considered an important classic model in Lamborghini’s history. People bring it up when talking about the most memorable designs from that era.
A slant nose is a styling and aero change to the front of a car that makes it look more sharply angled. The goal is usually to improve airflow and give the car a more track-focused look.
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a high-performance 911 built for track driving. In this discussion, they’re pointing out a bodywork detail that helps channel air around the front wheel to improve grip.
The Ford Mustang GTD is a special Mustang built for faster driving, especially on track. It uses aerodynamic design features to help the car move through the air more effectively. The podcast is talking about how those features work to improve performance.
Norbert Singer is an engineer associated with Porsche racing. Here, he’s mentioned as the person who found a loophole to change the headlights to help the car go faster.
In car bodywork, the “greenhouse” is the glass-and-metal upper section that includes the windshield, side windows, and roof area. The speaker is using it to describe how the 911’s upper shape affects visual balance with the slant-nose front.
Chassis bracing is extra reinforcement inside the car’s structure. It helps the car feel more solid and consistent, especially when driving hard, and in this case it’s put behind the seats.
A “cage” here means a reinforced safety structure inside the cabin, like what you see in race cars. It can also make the car stiffer, and they’re saying the layout has changed from an open cage to an enclosed space.
A “carbon box” is a strong, lightweight carbon-fiber enclosure. They’re describing it as a protective structure around the space behind the seats, with extra reinforcement inside.
The damper is the shock absorber that controls how fast the suspension moves. Better tuning helps the car stay calm over bumps instead of bouncing or feeling loose.
Double wishbone is a type of front suspension that uses two arms to guide the wheel’s movement. It helps the tire stay in the right position, which usually makes steering feel more accurate and stable.
“295” means the tire is about 295 millimeters wide. Wider tires can grip better, but they can also make the car feel heavier to steer and more sensitive to road grooves.
Tram lining is when your car gets pulled by grooves in the road, like it wants to track straight even if you don’t. It’s more noticeable with wide tires and certain suspension settings.
Tires that are wider touch the road over a bigger area. That usually means better grip and more predictable steering, especially when you’re driving hard on a track.
E85 is a mix of mostly ethanol and some gasoline. It can let the engine make more power because it burns in a way that tolerates more aggressive tuning.
A turbocharged engine uses a turbo to cram more air into the engine. More air usually means more power, and the driver feels it as strong acceleration when the turbo comes on.
Torque is the engine’s twisting force that helps the car pull strongly. Where the peak torque happens (at what rpm) affects how punchy it feels when you accelerate.
The tach shows how fast the engine is spinning (rpm). It helps you see when the engine is making its strongest pull and how quickly it responds when you change gears.
Twin turbos use two turbochargers to push more air into the engine. Cooling that compressed air helps the engine make more power and run more safely under boost.
Drive modes are different settings you can choose that change how the car behaves. Track mode usually makes the car more aggressive and less “protective” than comfort mode.
Spinning the tires means the tires lose grip and just spin instead of pushing the car forward. It often happens on wet or bumpy roads when there’s too much power for the available traction.
Chirping is the squeal/noise tires make when they’re slipping a little while you accelerate. It usually means the tires are getting close to losing grip.
A deep carbon bucket is a racing seat made from carbon fiber and shaped to wrap around you more. Even if it looks like it should hold you tight, the actual side shape matters for comfort and control.
The DLS is a special, high-performance version of a Porsche built by Singer. The podcast is comparing how much power different DLS-style builds make. It’s essentially a discussion about performance differences between similar cars.
“Bare carbon” means the carbon-fiber material is left exposed instead of being covered with padding or fabric. Hard surfaces like that don’t soak up sound, so the cabin can get louder.
An “echo box” is what it sounds like: a space where sound bounces around instead of being absorbed. If the inside is mostly hard surfaces and not much soft material, you hear more noise and it feels louder.
An air-cooled engine keeps itself from overheating using air flowing over it, instead of using coolant in a radiator. On a track, that airflow and heat management matter a lot.
This is about how the car is designed to handle and ride well. “Geometry” here means the suspension’s setup angles and layout, which determine how the car behaves over bumps and when you turn.
Porsche 993 is a specific generation of the classic 911 from the late 1990s. In this conversation, they’re saying it’s a tough niche to compete in because the car can be engineered to feel both comfortable and great-handling.
They mean the car uses a manual transmission. Instead of the car choosing gears for you, you have to shift yourself, which can make a fast car feel harder to drive.
The Porsche 935 is a racing car based on the Porsche 911. It was built to compete in major endurance races. People talk about it because the older versions were very powerful and successful on track.
“275s” is shorthand for tire width—275 millimeters wide. Wider tires usually grip more, so changing tire width changes how the car feels when you turn and accelerate.
Term
adaptive jrc's
They’re talking about an adaptive ride setup that can change how the car feels. Depending on the mode, the suspension and how the car responds can feel different.
Suspension modes are settings that change how soft or firm the suspension feels. Switching modes can make the ride smoother or more controlled, depending on what the car is doing.
“Ten and two” means putting your hands on the steering wheel at the 10 o’clock and 2 o’clock positions. Some steering wheels feel better with that grip than others.
“Nine and three” means putting your hands on the steering wheel at the 9 o’clock and 3 o’clock positions. In this case, the wheel shape makes that position feel uncomfortable.
Ceramic brakes are a high-performance brake setup that uses special ceramic rotors. They can handle heat really well, but they may cost more to replace if something wears out.
“Curb weight” is basically how much the car weighs when it’s ready to drive, without people or extra cargo. The hosts are saying the press may be using a different weight definition than what they’re calling “curb.”
“Wet” here means the car’s weight including fluids (like fuel), as opposed to a stripped-down “dry” number. They’re arguing which kind of weight the figure is based on.
“Dry weight” is a lighter weight number that typically doesn’t include some fluids like fuel. It’s often lower than the real-world “curb weight” you’d see for a car ready to drive.
The Bugatti Veyron is a top-tier hypercar made for maximum speed and performance. It’s famous for having huge power and being extremely fast. People compare other cars to it because it set a very high standard.
Turning radius is how tight the car can turn. If it’s small, you can do U-turns and tight turns without needing a huge road space.
Term
acoustic album
An acoustic album is music recorded with more natural, unplugged-sounding instruments. Here it’s a joke about changing the car’s sound to be less intense.
The Toyota Supra is a sports car made by Toyota. It’s built to be fun to drive and it comes in different versions with different styling. The discussion is about choosing a version that feels more like a classic, sporty look.
The Tesla Cybertruck is an electric pickup with a very unusual shape. The discussion is about how people sometimes buy new EVs like this and then resell them for more.
An allocation is how many cars the company agrees to sell to certain dealers or customers. If there aren’t many available, people may buy early and resell at a markup.
The Tesla Roadster is an electric sports car from Tesla. The hosts are talking about it like a collectible that can attract very high prices at auction.
A development mule is basically a test car used by engineers while a new vehicle is being developed. Since they’re rare and not meant for normal customers, they can be worth a lot to collectors.
Auction results are the final outcomes from an auction—what cars actually sold for. They’re using those numbers to see which EVs show up and at what prices.
The G-Class is a luxury SUV that’s also built to handle rough roads. It’s known for being expensive and popular. The podcast is talking about pricing and how well these SUVs sell.
On a watch, the “lug” is the little connection point where the strap attaches. If the lug width doesn’t match the watch well, the strap can look too big or awkward.
The Mazda MX-5, also called the Miata, is a small two-seat convertible made to be easy and fun to drive. It’s popular because it doesn’t feel heavy or complicated, and it’s often cheaper than many other sports cars. People mention it when talking about getting a lot of driving enjoyment for the money.
The Lamborghini Revuelto is a high-performance supercar made by Lamborghini. The podcast is talking about whether it can run in an electric-like mode for low-speed driving or parking. The idea is how it would feel if you used it more casually.
The Ford Fusion is a regular-sized sedan made by Ford. Some versions had a twin-turbo V6 engine. The podcast is asking whether that particular engine option was good when it was new.
The Ford Taurus is a full-size sedan made by Ford. Some Taurus models used a twin-turbo V6 engine. The podcast is saying that version didn’t turn out well.
This is the Ford Fusion Sport from 2017 to 2019. It’s the stronger, faster version of the Fusion, and it uses a twin-turbo V6 engine. The hosts mention it makes around 325 horsepower and 380 lb-ft of torque.
A twin-turbo V6 is a V6 engine with two turbochargers. The turbos cram more air into the engine, which usually makes it feel stronger and faster than a similar non-turbo engine.
The Chevrolet Cobalt SS is a sportier version of the Cobalt. Here it’s mentioned as a comparison to show that the Fusion Sport isn’t trying to be a small, hot-hatch-style car.
The Ferrari Luce is a Ferrari model being discussed mostly for how it looks. The podcast is focusing on reactions to its design. It’s essentially a conversation about styling and whether people like it.
The Rolls-Royce Spectre is Rolls-Royce’s electric luxury car. In this discussion, it’s the example of an EV that the host thinks earns its high price tag.
Term
launch packet
A “launch packet” is the bundle of documents and materials provided around a car’s introduction—often including pricing info, press materials, and sometimes the original window-sticker data. The host treats it like the source to confirm the car’s original MSRP.
A window sticker is the original price sheet that shows what the car was supposed to cost when it was new. People use it to check the car’s original MSRP and options.
“No sale” means the car didn’t sell at auction—either bids weren’t high enough or the seller didn’t accept the offer. It’s basically a failed sale attempt.
The Toyota GR Corolla is a sporty compact hatchback made for drivers who want more than a normal commuter car. It comes with different transmission options, including a manual. The discussion is about how the car’s driving setup and gearbox choices compare to another model’s approach.
The BMW M2 is a small BMW sports car made for driving enthusiasts. They’re using it as an example of what buyers tend to pick: manual or an automatic with fast paddle-shift behavior.
The Nissan GT-R is Nissan’s flagship performance car. The point here is that if you’re chasing lap times, the GT-R is the more obvious Nissan choice compared with the Z.
The Toyota Camry is a regular, everyday car meant for comfortable commuting. It’s known for being practical and easy to live with. In the discussion, it’s being framed as a good daily driver rather than something to look down on.
The Civic Si is a sportier version of the Honda Civic. A 2000 Civic Si is from the late-90s/early-2000s era and is popular because it’s fun to drive and usually feels more “enthusiast” than a basic Civic.
The Integra Type R is a special, more performance-focused version of the Acura Integra. People like it because it’s built to feel sharp and fun to drive, not just fast in a straight line.
The Mustang is a performance car made by Ford. In the podcast, they’re talking about the older “Fox-body” style and how it would be cool to own one if the price is fair. It’s a discussion about finding the right deal on a classic Mustang.
They’re talking about how speed limits get set. Instead of always being based on what’s safest, they can be based on how fast drivers tend to go, which can make some roads feel wrong compared to the posted number.
The Toyota GT 86 is a small, lightweight sports car that’s meant to be fun to drive. Here, it’s brought up because the owner sold it to pay for medical bills.
The Subaru WRX is a fast, practical car that’s also good in snow and rain thanks to all-wheel drive. In this Q&A, it’s the example of a sporty car you can live with every day.
Summer and winter tires are made for different weather. Winter tires grip better in cold and snow, while summer tires are better in warm, dry conditions.
Brake upgrades are aftermarket parts that help your car stop better and stay consistent. They’re especially useful if you drive hard or want more confidence in everyday braking.
“Stage two” is a popular way tuners describe a bigger upgrade than stock. It usually means the car is modified to make more power, but it can also create more risk if you rely on the car daily or want to keep warranty protection.
A warranty is the agreement where the car maker pays for certain repairs for a set time. The host is saying mods can sometimes make warranty coverage harder to use.
A short shift kit makes the gear lever move less distance to shift. It can make shifting feel quicker and more direct, without changing the engine’s power much.
The Toyota GR 86 is a small sports car designed to be fun to drive. People like it because it feels responsive and playful, especially on twisty roads. The conversation is about simple upgrades that can make it feel even more engaging.
The Toyota Prius is a car that uses a hybrid system to get good gas mileage. It’s commonly chosen for city driving because it can be efficient in traffic. The discussion is about whether a late-model Prius makes more sense than a sportier commuter car.
A drag race is a race where cars go in a straight line to see which one accelerates faster. It’s mostly about getting off the line quickly and having enough power.
“Analog cars” usually means cars with more traditional, physical controls and gauges. Instead of everything being on screens, you interact with the car more directly.
The Shelby GT500 is a very powerful Mustang made for performance. It’s meant to be faster and more aggressive than a standard Mustang. The podcast is bringing it up as one of the key performance cars they’re discussing.
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Like really interesting people who might have gotten I don't know ejected from other businesses
Or they don't want to be in those other businesses. They like working at night. They like the pressure
I mean it there's an adrenaline junkie aspect to it. Yeah, it's action. It's definitely it is the most stressful job
I've ever had for sure. I've like I've had like five
Production nightmares in my life. I had six months of server nightmares after I quit. Yeah, so
That's fucking crazy. Anyway cars cars cars
Many dude this is not gonna be a relatable episode that what you just told about the coffee making guy is gonna be the most
Relatable thing on this. There's nothing. I have a list
last couple weeks are like
They go from extremely expensive. Do we talk about the car that's 1.5 million or the car that's
2.5 million first
As opposed to the cars from last week both of which were like a million right should we go chronologically?
Let's go chronologically. Okay, so zinger zinger and even though I mean this car is like extremely expensive
But I feel like YouTube the response showed us people are excited about it because it looks like a spaceship
Well, there's like so much going on with the zinger
There's
How funny that that's I had another photo. Don't I oh the one of me standing on the
On the on the front wing too. Yeah, I'm standing on the front wing
the
21c
This is the high-downforce car, so I drove and you didn't get to drive it. Did you you are you bringing it up now?
To rub it in as a joke, or are you actually forgetting despite how many times we've talked about this?
I'm bringing it up to rubbers. Are you serious? Yeah, are you?
Yeah, no
and dick
This one I was serving the country man
You were serving the jury duty not this one though, but the silver one either you got to have a ride in not really paperwork issue
Yeah, paperwork issue what one of these days there because these zinger is cool
Yeah, you know there they like us because we take good care of the cars and we're not fucking idiots and and
We speak the truth about them. I think so so anyway
I got to go drive the high-downforce car at at willow springs
What a treat to have a membership there and get old-tracked to myself because the only way that
Rightly that they will let one on a track is if you get a track all to yourself
So, you know, you can't just take one to a track day. Yeah, not the press one anyway
The the color of this one. This is the best zinger. I've seen the color is like
rattlesnake green
Tinted carbon. Yeah, and it's fuck it fucking
Fuck so hard. I think awesome. We were at the factory. We either saw we saw some panels done in this
I think it was being developed
Maybe it was for this and I remember looking at it and just staring like I was like
That's the prettiest carbon fiber panel I've ever seen in my life. It's this is the coolest carbon fiber car
I think I've ever seen in terms just the color matching the car and so I really didn't want to get a dirty
Good thing you drove in the desert didn't really want to oh the desert is not bad
I didn't want to fucking spin it off into the gravel. Oh, yeah, so
You know when we drove the silver car, which you could see on our YouTube channel drove it on the road
That's the the low drag car. They called the the V max which is very pretty with the long tail
Very clean design
The car was clearly designed with the downforce first the other way around
And you know on the street, it's not like you really need that much downforce, but should you get
The opportunity to go very very fast in the V max
When you transition from hard throttle to hard brake at high speeds as
Happens with other cars without a big fucking wing the back gets light. It's not unmanageable
But it's a criticism I had of that car
I mean any race car that has this kind of power beginning in the 60s
Would have a big wing because they learned before that what happens without one. Yeah
It's really and it's it's there's the there's the downforce to go through a corner
That's one element and then there's the balance of arrow that happens when you shift the weight forward at really big speeds
And you need the wings for both they help with both so
They said yes, like we'll bring the high downforce car to the track and you can drive it there
Have you looked at the footage at Zach? Mm-hmm
This is this is a wild fucking ride. I mean not like anyone should be surprised. This is this is this car
I mean, it's it's 3,500 pounds
It is
It is
1,250 horsepower
Tri-motor hybrid with a 2.88 liter v8 twin turbo that revs to 11
it is you you sit in the middle and
It's
It's so fast that on the streets of willow you can only go flat
Really two places and for a maximum of about two and a half seconds
Maybe three seconds before you have to be hard breaking
It's
Incredibly stable. I mean really it's sticky sticky sticky a
True pro someone with more seat time
Could absolutely go fast the only way they would let me drive it is a if I got the track all to myself and be if I
Promise not to time the laps so which is a common request by lots of oh yeah, that's it's not uncommon. Yeah
In part because they don't want you know a time published that isn't
Something a little more under their control if it's gonna be a track record or something like that
Which with this car it could be you know, they they show up places and seem to set records like so
You know if they're gonna put a stopwatch on the car
They're gonna want to go for that and and also they don't want
journalists, you know stuffing they were like dude
This car has to go on like a national press tour
Right after this and then to Goodwood so like just please, you know, just please just please and you know
It's there's so how do you not go? Yeah, of course, of course
You know if you're top gear or maybe Chris you can go fucking I'm gonna do whatever I want with this car
But but I bet Chris like he could slide the thing and trust him and what I doubt
He would go try to set lap time. Yeah, yeah, because the pressure that amounts for that, you know
It doesn't really translate the camera. So what's the point? So?
When you go, you know, I'm driving driving and talking with this car was very difficult
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Extremely fast and I had to do it with the windows closed for sound purposes and like many
Hypercars and supercars when you're at max throttle it cuts the AC compressor to use power
So it was really hot. It was a hundred degrees at willow the day I drove it and so
It got hot in there quickly because every time you go flat
It just cuts the compressor, which like I said, it's only a couple times a lap, but it's enough
mm-hmm to
Well, and you also have this, you know, green glass green house
Yeah, it heats up even quicker. Yeah, regular car if you're gonna drive around in this car on a hot day
You need the air-conditioned cranking and you need to not be going full throttle
So the compressor is not cutting out all the time. It's an electric compressor, but it's still it still does not blow cold at full
Throttle, so and that's normal for one of these, but
So you'll see in the in the video
Which is not up yet, but but Zach's working on it
After like two laps I have to put the windows down and do a cool-down lap not for the car for me and like
catch my breath and talk
Slowly and then I put the windows back up and go quick again like I can't drive and talk for that like the car is fine
But I can't so
I mean if you just look at the handling it's like a fucking prototype
You know car it is on a road tire. It's a it's sticky tire
But it's a road tire
So you don't in the hairpins where the where the car is heavy and the down force
Isn't fully there you can induce a little understeer
You can induce a little oversteer in general it is incredibly balanced the steering is a little heavy
But it's you know with the tri-motor setup you just have this magical front end that always seems to have more and
The car makes so much power and I just like
And it made me so nervous that I just was like I'm not turning trash control off
Like I don't need to be a hero and slide that especially with the funky yoke
like trying to drift that it just
What I would try to do it on like an airfield
Like where I go I there's somewhere I can do this where it will not go wrong and and like but this didn't seem like the right time
to responsibly try and do that
But
the the
Everything about it is great. It's so fast. It's so sharp
Yeah, the and and just like driving on the road with that view with the A pillars the way they are in the center driving position
You have to look at every corner
Kind of in a new way
Like because the A pillars are like literally in a different position right and they would be in a normal car
You have to move your head around a little bit differently to see through the corners
Which I think is very interesting. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, you know when you approach a corner in a car
There's the reference points on earth like here's where I am breaking or here's where I'm aiming
But now you have the reference points in the car
So placing the car using the A pillar like if you're in a right-hand drive car is
Suddenly different to get the left side of that car close to the curbing now. You're in the middle
Yeah, which I think is is easier but takes getting used to especially when you have these amazing curved fenders like it's probably very easy to see
Yeah, the tires are yeah
Going from to them going to the middle is actually not hard like you
One can drive a center seat car with no experience and
Not end up being all fucked up and wandering the way you would if you all of a sudden drove a right-hand drive car for the first time
It's a lot easier than you think to play. I mean particularly because like you have you've got a high point
You know on the fender that like is essentially the outside of the top of the center of the front tire
So right totally easy car
To to place on the track. It's just that it is so fucking fast
that
Keeping up with it is extremely challenging
Even to somebody who drives a lot. It's just like
you realize like I
don't know like
Not the human body, but like the human body that is like physically in decent shape
But and and physical and and
somewhat comfortable driving at speed but not trained for this type of pace like right the difference between me and fucking Jensen
Like right is a huge gap
Absolutely, it's a big gap and like that's what it takes to drive this at its peak
And I don't have that you know what I mean
I can I can drive a four in a one horsepower and it feels like it and and that's what's weird today is because
Horsepower is so easy to come by both in electric cars and gas cars like 01 X etc. We are buying
Formula one horsepower at dealerships
Yeah, yeah, but as we've talked about before like no license program
But just the training alone like to deal with the the speed with which the corner approaches you when you're in it
When I jump in a car that's like, I don't we drive something like 1500 horsepower and it and the powertrain is like really light I
Have to recalibrate compared to something with 400 because now I'm approaching that corner not two X's fast
But much much quicker and all of a sudden you have to go. Oh my everything has to sharpen up
I'm breaking either earlier or just more
Authoritatively like you have to adjust all that shit real quick. So you know those
Those training devices that where you tap the lights on the wall like that for drivers use
I forget what they're called but their reaction time and sort of athleticism test
So they had one at the Edwards life sciences
Booth at the Indy 500 and I've never tried one before so I I
Want to try it and another person also tried it who won't be named, but it rhymes with
trike
Berenstin
And I've never done before so I don't know what like good is but I I do it and
It is all is just whatever is better than your friend. That's what I was better than him
I know he he's older than me, but he plays like four hours of tennis a day
And I did 55 in 60 seconds. Okay, which the guy was like that's pretty good like that is and I was like, okay
Well, what is like?
What's like the most he's we've seen today is
64 and that was like a teenager right he's like but I but I'm told that like an F1 driver could could crack 80
Yeah, wow
By the way
Straight up disclaimer. I'm just repeating verbatim. What a guy in a polo shirt set like that
I don't haven't looked this up
What a fucking so I don't know but like I that's believable. Yeah, cuz they've been training at it forever
Yeah, you know, and
Drivers that have reaction time the wiring is similar to that younger person
Yeah, but they've been training at it and honing those skills forever the home
He said the the teenager that got like 64 had a stance
That was a like a weird stance, but he's like he knew how to do it like he had been trained to use a particular
Well, they have him at Dave and Buster's I raised Sarah a couple times there. I did win
What did you get? I
Don't think they use is it not 60 seconds
Maybe I don't remember. I remember it was us against each other and I won
Next time we go to like like a one of the you know like a Hendrick or one of those like training
So I got a message Graham and see what Graham would would do in one of them. That'd be a good Ray Hall or Smith. I
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Yeah, yeah, Smith probably has I might have one too. That's all he has
That's why my brain. I know I know I'm conflating. Yeah, I'm conflating our motors for dynasties
Like I said, this show would be incredibly relatable
You should ask Graham Ray Hall that would be very cool. Yeah, he probably hasn't he probably has a number
He probably has one of them things at his house, you know, I
Asked Graham who had the best
RV on the Indy grid and he was like oh wait fucking me for sure. He's like I just got a new one
It's like so sick
Some people rent them and then fly from city to city and just rent the RV while they're there
He he actually has one that goes around
But for the month of May they like live in them things nice
I think Graham said he lives at the track the entire month of May Wow because there's like three or four
Races and then qualifying and stuff. Yeah, he's like you might as well to stay there. So
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Code tire it revs to 11,000 and you sit in the middle
So it's it's pretty much as close to you're gonna as you're gonna get to an F1 car
In terms of something that you can drive on the road that feels, you know safe
You know what I mean like if you're my size
Driving an open-wheel car is sketchy because you are so
Uncomfortable that you can barely move and if you can't move you can't drive like that's a fact if you're if you
Look like me or in general are bigger than fucking Zach
You're not getting in an open-wheel car. You're certainly never gonna buy one. It's not gonna happen and look yes
This is so expensive, but like if you are bigger and want that experience of like what would that f1?
Like this is where you get it because this car. It's actually very funny
This green car has the comfort seat in it
So ironically the comfort seat is is a beautiful
Recaro road car seat so when you sit in it
There's tons of leg room and tons of shoulder room and it's it's just a car seat with air kind of on both sides
And you've got places to put your shoulders and stuff
But it's super roomy
So if you wanted to go in a thousand mile fucking road you could do a thousand miles in this car and go
Let's go to dinner like easy as long as you sit in the front. Yes always in the front absolutely comfy, but
High G loads. I was like actually not quite enough
Side bulls for a fat guy like me and they're like and they were like yeah, you know
We have like the track bucket
But you know given that this is going on a press tour like we put the comfort seat in this
Most people aren't going to take this one on the track and most people will buy it and use the comfort seat
So you might as well show them in person what that feels like instead of explaining what it feels like while there's a bucket there
Yeah, my recommendation is still the comfort seat, but I just it's a funny thing that this and a Mustang GT share something
Really a criticism
But this doesn't it double the g-load
You know the room this comfort seat would be is like the sport recaro in the Mustang
It's almost the same seat. I swear to God. So we're covered, but the g-load is so high
But fucking hell is it we have I have to make sure I mean I would goddamn jury duty
This what you would have driven it like you would have driven it
There'll be another chance. I'm sure you know, but it's just
I'm so
Day not I'm so like, you know, I'm not over hypercars per se because you know
Driving any hypercar is a fun day at work. I'm not that jaded
But like a lot of them are variants on you know a few percentage points that this way or this way, you know, you know
There's nuances, but the same formula like this shit is like different so different. Yeah
Where you sit how it's built the way it looks. I mean, that's why I think we were excited about this car
When we first filmed it the audience was excited about it and then we went to I remember went to a party
in one of our
Successful friends was like, what do you think and he had that that look on his face like he's kind of considering
I was like you should absolutely if you can I mean what what else have you seen that's like this outside of I mean
Seen positions like a t-50 or McLaren F1. Yeah, look at the thing. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, the only thing
I thought that was kind of interesting
the
You know the hybrid system
The the motor generator that's that's the flywheel that's that is in between the engine and the transaxle
What it what zinger does so well here is they use that motor generator to smooth out the shifts in a single clutch
Gearbox that make it feel like a dual clutch gearbox
When you put the car in what they call track plus mode, which is the fucking suspension slammed like hardcore track mode
it
Smoothes it out less. Hmm. And so at high speeds on track
It no longer really feels like a DCT and it it punches a little bit and all that means is you
Think twice before changing gear when it's like loaded up in a corner
I shifted gear mid-corner a couple times exiting the bowl
And I didn't find it to be like a problem problem
But I also did have traction control on and then when I would do a cool-down lap
And I'd be shifting up at you know five which is low in this car the red lines 11
So quote cruising around you're shifting up at four or 5000 rpm
Then it got you know light throttle up shifts very smooth off throttle down shifts very smooth
But full throttle full break. It was bang bang, which you know fun
And I'm sure there's a purpose maybe the maybe that motor generator is just being used for fucking to fully dump power
Or for a different purpose during that mode
But it was no longer smooth it kicked like a Lambo Aventador SVJ
Wow, we're like the SSC
Yeah, that was like a clack. Yeah, I had a cook like a fucking you know like a machine guy
Like you were the bullet getting wracked into the chamber. That's what it really felt like the breach
It's almost gonna yell at me. Yeah, you were like, oh, here we go. Yeah, no, it's not that it's it's a fast hard kick
I got it, you know, it's a it's like a whatever again relatable forget if it's a
Jesus I forget if I think it's the X-track
Sequential that that Pagani also uses but it just it just fucking at full throttle
It's power shifting like it's barely opening the clutch and it's not it's not stopping the throttle
You know and and so it's a it's a pretty hard slam. Whereas an upshift
Dude, if you you know in the canyons
It's half throttle like max
You have no idea how fast this will go when you put the fucking throttle down
They just it's half throttle and then it's just like it's like beautifully smooth
But the harder you go the less smooth the shifts get that's interesting because the engine is so smooth
partly because of its size but the way it's mounted like I
Remember driving you could rev it and you just don't feel any vibration. There's no twist. There's no nothing
And so it it that's so smooth, but then all of a sudden like out of nowhere you get this transmission kick. Yeah
It was wild
What a great day, I mean I got to run, you know, I don't know 30 40 laps probably Wow
and
I I wish I could have done it with you know, it doesn't work with audio and talking but
Driving it with the windows down on the track is really cool because just the way air flows around it
You don't get buffeting you get a nice breeze
But like it it stops the anything that's head-on so you could drive it with an open face
You know helmet and sunglasses if you want or
It's just like a
It's a very pleasant experience and even when you're going slowly
It's just so different and actually pleasant like it it drives slowly
Nicely it's it pulls away smooth. It's easy to putter around and park like
You know, it's a little clunky with a three-point turn the drive reverse drive if you're doing it fast
It's like slightly clunky, but like considering the level of performance. It's just a beautifully usable cool thing
So again unrelatable to people, but when you mentioned the wind I was curious
Is this it how much overlap is there in the driving experience between this and the Elva?
Because they're both very expensive
Elvis like no windshield. I was trying to think of like is this close to a motorcycle
Center seat wind, you know that you're this is this is like a comfy prototype race car
Is what this feels like this is this is like you took a fucking LMP?
Car right looks like it. Yeah a Lamar car and put nice leather and really nicely designed knobs and stuff and a
Comfy seat in it like that's that's what it feels like somewhere between that and fighter plane. Yeah, it's very fighter plane
Yeah, especially the way like the world bends a little bit with the glass as you go by. It's yeah
all of that good shit
And oh by the way this photo of Lucas zinger and Jay Leno staying in the wing this car
This car makes its weight in downforce at 30 at 150 miles an hour
So at 150 you could drive it upside down
That's a lot of downforce. Yeah, it's not because a lot of downforce numbers. We see it's always at V max
Yeah, this is not V max 150 and right
I think it's probably 150. Um
But that's I was I was told 150. I was also surprised. It was geared. It's geared not that long
Um
Considering it's got 11,000 RPMs to play with so so it seems like it's geared short
Until you actually wind each gear to red lock and you realize what you can do it nine because your brain's used to that's the end of
the road, you know unless you
Like it's them and it's GMA and there's also the way the tack works is the tack is just
Four number or four or five digits digital just going up and just really just
It's not a needle that moves across a screen and then once you get past eight
You have a series of shift lights that do that do like blue then white then red and you shift
You know when it gets to red on the screen, but you're not
Watching a needle that's getting that's that is you know
You see it go three quarters of the way around and you still have that much more to go
Mm-hmm when you're just watching numbers on the display. You don't necessarily think about 11. Yeah, that's true
It's just a higher number than you are and by the way when you by the time you get to 11
in
third gear
You have the most hardcore fucking tunnel vision
The the forces are amazing when you can effectively deploy
1,250 horsepower
You know coming out of the fucking hairpin onto the front straight and you're looking at that bend up there and
You know you go
Third to red line fourth to red line, which is
I don't know two and a half seconds and then immediate break
Like forget that little lift for that turn one kink that is a you better slow down or you might die
Yeah, you know you're going the next one's a hairpin
It has great breaks and great downforce, but it it it has so much more acceleration than either of those other things
You know, I don't even want to know the kind of speeds you'd see at kota
Fuck it be crazy. It would be so cool and absolutely terrifying to ride in the back while a pro
Sent it. I mean it would be the bummer is like you'd see the back of their chair most of the time
You have to look around them, but I bet the speed would be so terrifying. Yeah
I just wanted to look at the gauges that that's I mean that's the gauge and it's it's a digital cluster
So it it changes a little bit
When you go into you know track mode or whatever, but like
That's
No, it's linking. Oh, that's just linked back to their website
So it
Yeah, it doesn't really
That there's a p in the middle and that turns into you know
Either a d or want numbers one through blah blah blah on the left. Does that say zero rpm that number?
Yep, so it's so it's shut off there. So there it's in electric mode
So that number just goes from zero to 11,000. You can't watch that count. That's like watching the deficit counter
You can't keep up. You're just so you look for those numbers or you sorry you look for the lights
Yeah, that go whatever yellow red blue
Yeah, so the the lights move across the top of that screen where it says this is the sea right there
So, you know, once you're once you're told
When the lights will go, you know, they'll go at 8910 and then and then your red lines 11
You know, Jesus christ
It's it takes a lot to to fucking wind the the motor out that high. It really does
You love space. Yeah. Yeah, you need a runway
Or you know streets is a fucking crazy car streets is a wonderful track
I really really like the layout, but it is perfect for the 200
To like 500 horsepower agreed, you know unless you're like a time attack drop, but even then like it's just it's tight
And there's no this thing. This is this is too much make big willow big willow shrink
It would and this look I I even I don't like big willow and as it is now
I'm sure I will like it a lot more once the boys fucking fix it, but
But the fact is
Scheduling
This was the day a track was available. This was the day the car was they were like
The car's available on one of these three days and one of them streets happened to be available
So that's where I would I would rather drive it on streets than big willow until they've you know, adjusted everything for sure
And streets by the way is a is a much better track for testing
If you're if you want to find out does it understeer? Does it oversteer?
Does it do this does it have you know that kind of shit streets is a far better place to to learn those things
True
Because there are there is such a thing as a 30 mile an hour corner. There's an on camber. There's an off camber
There's a this there's a you know, there's a place where you can
Most of the time try and do some slides very safely
Like there's there's a lot of the things you want to figure use to figure out is a car good or not great classroom
but when you've got
1250 fucking horsepower, you know, what is enough room for that? Yeah. Yeah
But what I really like about this thing is that
You know, you don't have to be going a zillion miles an hour to have fun in this car
You this car
I mean, I think this car would be fun at low speeds. It's fun to cruise around in it's because when you're in it
You experience
Otherwise ordinary places and things you've seen before
In a new way and there's very few cars. You could do that the bc mono is another one
But that's like a shitty car and this is a nice car
I think the morgan it's a the morgan three-wheeler has that quality
But this is the morgan three-wheeler plus the t1000
So but it it when it's so unique and the view is so special
And the response when you if you drive this around is going to be insane
Like it will always feel yeah, it should always feel pretty cool. It's american made by the way. It's very true
I mean it is it is I think the
most
Extreme
I think it's the most interesting hypercar on the market today and it and it happens to be from fully made in america
Which is pretty cool
Yeah, I'm just running through the list of other hypercars that I mean you've got
You've got you've got your your fucking bugatti. I mean I look the tourbillon is obviously going to be sick
But it is not
Like extreme in a way. This is extreme. I don't think the tourbillon is going to set a track record
Or set five track records in five days. No, it'll serve a different a different client for a different reason
And it might set a straight line record like the same with the jesco
Yeah, I think as you said before this is a bigger departure
From those cars those cars have are iterating on a foundation that was laid
Yeah, I mean essentially murrah, but then you go to like the you know 512 or kuntosh kuntosh
Like it's all building on you know the mid-engine
Two-seater da da da da. This is a rethink and a marriage of you know, open-wheel center seat
positioning and physics
With obviously the manufacturing that I can't get enough of um, and then the performance. Yeah
The way this car would go wrong is if it wasn't any fun at low speeds if you had to be going
150 to enjoy it which you dumped
So like the people that have the money for this
You know money talent and desire to go that fast versus
Money and just desire to have a cool crazy thing that they can drive around to fucking coffee
This is also good. Yeah, it's a showstopper for sure
So, uh, thank you to the zinger team for uh for bringing that out to the track for me. That was
Fucking awesome. Genuinely fucking awesome dude. It was so cool
And then zack and I had a day
It's equally relatable
Slightly less expensive at a discount of I think 700k maybe
I think this is one and a half
1516 something like that for the gundtsevux
F26
Um, it's a it's a take on their turbo
It's fighter plane inspired inspired the irony to be talking about this in
The right after segway from the and from an actual fighter plane on the road to
One that's uh named after a fighter plane, but it's it's their take on a slant nose
So it's got a whole new front clip. That's like one of those
Wide bodies, but that's it's a slant nose that has the sort of open
Uh aft of what rear wheel, how do we describe how do you describe that?
Oh, it has like a very extraction behind the wheel, which is very cool
The 911 st had a small version of it. Um, try to think of other cars, but yeah, they're basically people listening. There's like there's a
The front fender is wider than the door and that delta of like an inch and a half between the two is vented
So the new gt3 rs does it. Oh, yeah, as does the mustang gtd
So it probably helps take air like out of the wheel well downforce or something like that, you know, just prevent lift
Um, also looks pretty damn cool
Yeah, so it being a um
Slant nose, you know, it has little squinty eyes that look almost like a coning zig until zack said Ioniq six and I couldn't fucking unsee that
um
Um, that's unfortunate
Um
And if I'm honest, I think the round headlight turbo
Does look better. So there's there's the good shot there. I was a real dammit. Yeah, I want to find a picture
There it is. Yeah, there we go. So it's
Look, I I
I do respect the take
You know, no one has really done the slant nose yet
It's very hard to do a lot of people don't even like 9 11 regular
9 11 slant noses
I didn't yeah, the only reason I say didn't is when marco. Let me drive his around
I spent some time with it
like
I came around on I think the car looks really cool and it looks fast because it was made for that it came out of racing in like 1975
Uh
With um norbert singer like found a loophole and he's like oh we can take the headlights out of the car
And they went way faster and then the take rate for the the public cars was huge, but I still think they look
Worse than the regular 9 11. I
There's just a lack of balance like the greenhouse is still really tall and bubbly and then the slant is flat. Yeah, so
Marco, I can hear you yelling. That's fine. No, I I I don't like hate all slant noses
But I like the the round headlights better and and get rid of this picture and go to the the orange
Turbo
Go go back up to the top and you've got the round headlight turbo there on the right. I mean that to me
Is very pretty and I think the slant nose is less elegant than this. Yes
I agree
I there are some angles and maybe like the paint on this car was amazing. Oh, yeah, but when I was following you on the highway
Parallel with you or looking at rear three-quarter like this thing looks amazing. Yeah, it's crazy liquid metals awesome. Yeah
It's not I just prefer the round headlights. I agree the motor
Um, oh boy, so there's there's a bunch of things the the main things that are are done with this
Is the motor is the most powerful gunther motor ever?
And then also they've done which we'd all been clamoring for thank god
I was the last one was slow the orange car was a good slow shitboxing and they've also done
um a whole bunch of
Chassis bracing behind the seats
Where you know you used to find a back seat sometimes you'd find a cage now. There's an enclosed space
Is there a photo that actually shows it? It's like a filled-in space. It's it's it's got a carbon
Box effectively around the entire space and inside that is a bunch of chassis bracing that makes it a 200
Stiffer structure. Yeah
Which that's pretty cool because when you have the wide body you lengthen the control arms
If you have a stiff structure and a low weight and this is a relatively light car
You can run a very soft spring and you can run a very precise damper
And one of the really good things about this car is actually the the ride. Yeah, the ride was really good
That's something that I think has been there with gunther since the beginning since we drove the first speedster
I mean they always run jrz shocks. I think but they are set up really well the cars always feel compliant. They eat
Canyons pretty good. This was
We took it to a pretty bumpy road. I think and this felt a little stiffer
Then the speedster was but this is like a quote-track focused car
This also has the double wishbone. So they've developed a double wishbone front suspension like the current gt3
for this
I think it helps reduce tram lining because they're running a 295 front tire
That's that's a crazy amount of tire
I think and this I think this car was less darty
than previous gunthers that had the
More traditional suspension setup. That's true. It didn't really move around. It didn't move around
I mean it could it could get bumped around on the very bumpy sections
But I don't think it was that bad
But the steering didn't move around it the steering was heavy
Heavier than I want I would want but once you set it it stayed there
And if you're going straight on the highway you could drive it one handed and it wouldn't dart all over the place
And that is an improvement
Whereas cars like the dark horse you talked about that dart around like there's cars that are
Less insane than this but still moved around in the front. Yeah
Well, the front engine cars have to use wide front tires. So a dark horse is 305 fronts
So it's it's literally catching the edges of the ruts in the road and moving around
But 295 is almost there. So it's almost there. Yeah. Yeah, uh, okay the engine
Rothsport racing
1067 horsepower
And 750 pounds of torque now that's on e85
And we were delivered it with e85, but I filled it back up with 91. It has flex fuel
So it was probably making like only like 950 horsepower or something like that
Uh, was it enough
It was too much. It was absolutely too much and and part of it was
I mean first of all the the positives
I think this is the most responsive engine I've driven definitely the most responsive turbocharged engine I've driven in terms of
Like max torque 750 pound-feet is at 4,500 rpm. No 5,400
Doesn't matter doesn't matter starting at 39. I'm watching the tach and it rips past the you know peak
Torque number and I was like this is insane
And even just down shifting like it revs up. It responds so fast. I was really really impressed and also terrified
but like
It just felt like the whole engine was made of titanium and air and everything just wanted to spin
Yeah, it's a four liter twin turbo twin charge cooled
Uh, and it's got a flat fan like a 917 does and what that it looks incredible. It's so cool
That fan is gear driven instead of belt driven. So it does make a little bit of noise
Um, it's a little bit of a chatter sort of like a single mass flywheel style
chatter
Well, when you do the drive when we do the drivebys it is a
There's a battle of weed eaters happening like in the back. It's very mechanical buzz
So it's not as loud as the orange turbo was. I know they worked to quiet it down
But you hear a ton of that gear drive. It's very cool. Yeah
It's so nasty
Um
It was a little damp the morning that we went out there, but it did dry out a bit and I
When
First off in the in the canyon in in a place with corners you you almost can't
Fucking go flat anywhere. So it's a there's three drive modes, right? There are
There's comfort mode. There's sport mode and there's track mode comfort mode is like 550 horsepower
Sport mode is you know 750 and then and then track is the full kill mode
And you should not use track unless you have a straight straight dry road. Correct. Um, I
Did it and I spun the tires all the way through second and third
and chirped fourth
And it has traction control. It has well, I mean what they call motor sport grade traction control and abs
But this road is rough and damp and I mean the power is insane. Yeah, and so
And and the speed the the way it pulls
Is violent and terrifying in track mode
I mean truly the way it pulls in fourth and fifth gear
Is like conic zig level acceleration
In the high gears when you go third fourth fifth
It does not pull less when you upshift. It pulls the same. That's fucking crazy
But also it's like
This was one of the loudest cars inside I've ever driven
I was so tired after a morning of driving this I had to take a fucking nap
Even after wearing noise canceling headphones. I had to take a nap. I was so tired. It beat me up so bad
You know, they have these carb these like bucket seats
That look like the ones from the chimera, but they're not the chimera ones have deeper
Sides these look like track buckets that will hold you in but actually
Don't have enough side bolstering to hold you in not at all and we were driving canyons
I mean I was driving
Kind of timidly honestly, I didn't have as much time with it, but I was just like there's so much happening
There's so much speed the thing cost so much money
Uh, I just I don't know. It felt like busier than the orange turbo, but
Actually, that was a different road that this had tighter corners
But the seats still didn't hold me in place. I was using my arms a lot
I mean, I was kind of surprised with for this to look like
The hr geiger, you know deep carbon bucket
It's actually a really shallow bolster on the sides and pretty short like doesn't come that far up your ribcage
And doesn't wrap around you very much. It's kind of weird. I was like
It was kind of posturing as a racing bucket. Yeah
Like it's like those like sports sedans that have artificially stiff suspensions on sport modes
Just so you think that even when actually leaving it in comfort makes it handle better
um
it's
I think they have figured out
This should be it
Like i'm serious like like this car is successful at its mission, which is to build the most
egregiously overpowered
An extreme air cooled 911 ever like it has like 200 horsepower more than the singer dls turbo
like
Stop just stop like we're great. We're good. Yeah here like if we're good
And and I because spike like spiked and like it at all
Um, it's very loud. He was wearing like air traffic controller. It's really loud inside because you know something Gunther does is
All the door panels are basically bare carbon that whole back section where the bracing is is just carbon
It is an echo box. You know, you're sitting inside. I know I said a lot like you're in a mailbox
There's very few soft materials to absorb any sort of sound. Yeah, and then the car is loud
So you're just getting this echo going around you the whole time. Yeah, and so like
Look if if that's what Gunther really wants we we must have the fastest air cooled cars around a track period
you know
Okay, all right fine and apparently they've sold most of these they're making like 26 and they've and they've sold most of them
All right, fine. What the fuck do I know?
But like my challenge to them
Is like, okay, you've now followed this formula that started with the red car back in whatever
2018 whenever that was
You know, you've iterated you've got the coops speedsters you got the turbos now you've got this fucking thing
You you did your fucking american shopper iron man car build
like
This has to be the end of this
because
Like
I sound obnoxious to say it but like this is actually so extreme. I don't like it anymore
Like if I eat like I I would if I had the money I I can understand how I'd go
Yeah
I fuck get me that thousand. Oh my god. Look at it. Fucking nuts thousand
And then once I had it I would drive it twice a year because it would just be exhausting
As opposed to when I drove the
Singer turbo and you drove the singer turbo on the same road as this by the way. Yep, both of us were like
Daily for the next 20 years. Yeah sell everything immediately and use this for
everything up to and including towing like like
What do I have to do to drive this thing every day for the rest of my life?
Like it was a different reaction to the car
So like my challenge to peter and gunther now is like, okay, you've done this
Can you make a comfortable one?
Like can you make a fast great handling?
You know the thing that you do but like make it
Make it way instead of 2750 make it way 3100
And be full of dynamite and be like quiet. Yeah, because because they've gotten like they know the ride
They know how to make the things handle well
shifter was fantastic
Compliance is good like they've got the engineering and the geometry done and
No one is really competing with them in this 993 space. So I don't think
Going, you know quote like going down in power. There's obviously a market for that
there's plenty of people that want the comfortable
4 to 600 horsepower thing
And it can look the way they like they want to look and they can they should do the interior bit
So it's a little bit quieter
There will probably still be people out there that want them because this is all like you need a pilot's license
And you need like a fighter jet pilot's license to drive this thing. It was
You know, it was pretty intimidating because it's because it's kind of small
The power, you know compared to the zinger, let's say they have about the same horsepower wheelbase on this probably shorter
It's manual gear more difficult to drive even though I only drove the zinger for a short amount of time like
Just the controls having to shift it like everything about this is a lot more intense and when you think of the people that
Raced at Le Mans Daytona, whatever in the old 935s that had 1200 horsepower
They were like the top race car drivers on the planet at the time
Yeah
So to go back to if you can just buy this thing like be prepared to drive a car that is the most difficult
Yet fastest thing on the planet in 1975. Yeah, that's kind of what you're buying
And they also wore your your protection or I don't know if they did then but they certainly would now
Huh, what yeah
So I totally agree with you if they turn want turn it down
But do all the things they know how to do well and like let's see what they can do
Yeah, like if it had a simplified version of this engine
There was there was 550 horsepower
Nice good throttle was good response, but but not the death kill
Narrow or tires 275s in the front not 295s right narrower body
comfort seats
Comfort door panels, you know with nice leather and all that kind of stuff some sound insulation in there a good stay like
A light clutch, you know this the clutch on this was actually easy to drive
It was this car other than being loud was very civilized at low speeds
Like I I will give them that and even in like comfort mode the the inputs the pedals the the tune
The ride of the adaptive jrc's like
It's as good as it's going to be like it there are big differences between the drive modes and between the suspension modes and like
There they make a they do make a difference. Yeah, but they don't make it quieter
It's still so fucking loud in there all the time and my head was just zinging the second half of that day
Um
So it's for psychos this is a car for psychos
You know you just I hope you have the talent
Right not the worst special, but we also have
Fuck in the fear of death and something resembling restraint. You may not you may not have that
Yeah, I think I think buying this car if you haven't
Done some competitive racing and driven other really high horsepower stuff
Is going to be
It's going to be kind of scary and you and you I just hope you don't get yourself into trouble because you could so quickly
Yeah
This I think in terms of just actual scary
This is probably the scariest car I've ever driven
Ooh this or hennessey vent. Well, that was just on the runway. So no you drove the street too. I drove it on the street
At the time that probably was but I think this eclipses that
I think that was
That was there wasn't much difference between
That and like a hopped up for gt in terms of just like how it sort of feels to operate it
Whereas this being like air cooled
You fuck the only gauge you can see through the steering wheel as the art is the tack
And it changes. I don't know how fast I was going. I could I literally the knee
I can't see the needle after 40 until it's like 170. Yeah
It was pretty crazy another thing like the pedal box is very narrow
I think I took my shoes off. I wore the wide shoes but like even with the shoes off
You know, I was it was offset and very tight in there and then the steering wheel
I I know it's like inspired by fighter jets or whatever
It's I drive with my hands at nine and three
I know there are some people like to drive fast at ten and two but this steering wheel has like
Ridges on the back and pads on the front. Basically if you hold it at nine and three, it's uncomfortable
Yeah, it feels like you're in the wrong. I don't know sitting on half of a chair
And so you have to put your hands at ten and two but it just felt very strange and
It heavily favors ten and two. Yeah
And and you know, look they're competitive like the singer wheel
We've talked about is great because it's just a circle
It's just let people figure out like put their hands where they want them to be totally fine. Yeah
It's uh, this this thing is psychotic. I mean, I'm glad we got to to try it
It's always it's always a treat to try something crazy like this
But it's it's just so much
And and and it really is an assault
Of performance and inputs. It's the steering is heavy the brake pedal
You know, it's got the ceramic brakes from a Nissan GTR in a car that weighs 1500 pounds less than a Nissan GTR
Which is fucking great. There's a thousand pounds less than a Nissan GTR
But the pedal is very very heavy really heavy. Yeah, kind of strangely heavy. I was pretty surprised by that. It felt
Kind of like a mclaren I think but firmer than that even and
You know in all of it 2700 pounds. I think it's wet. Well, they say curb, but the press really says dry
Yeah, the someone someone's
The press really say sent us as 2700 dry. I think their website is shenanigansing. Let's call it 3000
That's a thousand pounds less than a Veyron and they make
Effectively the same power. Yeah, and I bet this is a that has all will drive this doesn't yeah
This is probably a smaller shorter car
like
Speaking of which Gunther has length in the wheelbase by 30 millimeters
They move the rear wheels back which does does help it does make it more stable in the high speeds
It does and actually the turning radius is very good. It's incredible
I did like a u-turn on the canyon. I went how come I still have so much more angle with these huge tires
shockingly good turning radius
A nice ride and I didn't scrape it anywhere either. It has nose lift and I did not scrape any great
It's carbon bodywork all over the place. It's a pretty wild thing. It's fucking cool, but
I think they've reached the end of the line for this
Line of thinking and they need to try something else. They need an acoustic album
That's that's where we're at, you know, they got a reset everybody
Yeah, do an artsy thing and then they'll they come back later with 2000 horsepower. I need you to do an indie flick guys
Go to an ashram
Metallica Christmas album someone so here's what has to happen. Peter Peter at Gunther works and I by I
This is a joke. I don't wish this on him. He needs to like need back surgery
You know what I mean? He's he's in good shape. He's never had to the need for a comfortable car
Well, but the car rides pretty comfortably. It does. Yeah, so it's just the seats
We need we the touring the seats and the sound. Well, we need he basically needs to do
Like uh, like sport classic like a 90 like a 992
Sport classic, you know a little duck tail
Clean lines. Yeah, you know twin turbo power rear drive
But dial it fucking down. Yeah, that could be cool as shit. Couldn't it sure for sure
You know make the bad boys mobile
Could do that 600 horsepower not a thousand that would be cool. Don't do it. Take your hand off the mouse not a thousand
Not a thousand drop it. Holy shit. Yeah
um
Before we get to questions I had one quick thought
What do you think is the most expensive e v
Outside of the rematch's nevara most expensive e v's
Ever sold on cars and bids and bring a trailer
Oh, I do you know, I don't I don't know I I did not I don't this isn't expensive
I don't have an answer ever sold like online auction. Yeah. Yeah, because it makes me I bet it's either
It's going to be a plaid or a cyber truck being flipped when they were brand new
People that the first allocation and they flip it for double. Sure. We're like people were buying Hummer e v's
For $220,000 when they were really new. So it's gonna be something like that. That's my guess
But that was a couple years ago
Yeah, because I have this theory that the public's appetite for e v's ends at 150,000 bucks
Yeah, and I wanted to see if I wanted to see if market data supported that
But you're right this flipped the flip cyber trucks and the flipped hummers
Would definitely throw the curve off
I wonder if you can search. Can you search by e v? Is that what you've done? I searched e v
I guess that's I wonder here we go highest
Uh highest price. Yeah. Yeah, you're right 260 for hummers. Wow the whole fucking top row is hummers
Go down. Let's see where you where you stop get hummers
So yeah, lucid sapphire with 200
Wow, okay. Wow a tesla roadster. Yeah development mule rock. That's a that's actually a
That's a particularly special collectible car. Hummers. Hummers. Hummers. All right. Yeah, so even like wow, there you go
Okay, so there's a couple in 2022 there's 170
2026 that tycon turbo gt would have been would have had a two in front of it 250 260
New and lost 100 grand. Wow. Yeah. Wow these hummery v's were fucking in 2022 people were flipping the fuck out of you
The tycon was 100 g's in a year. Yeah, keep going down tycon turbo s
all right, so
Yeah, keep going how many white hummers can there be a lot those are all the launch editions or whatever
All right, so there starts to be a lot more variety when you get to under 150. Look at that
140 146 one below 146 you start to see lucids you got a tesla x you've got a roadster
Now rivians come into play at 130. Okay, so
You you have a couple of models that for a time
Brought over 150. Mm-hmm. And then you start to see a lot more variety under 150. Yeah
Yeah, so I will say there is
Some data to support this theory though. Maybe the line isn't exactly at 150 and it depends on
Where your snapshot in time is?
Yeah, and I'm like we'd have to kind of get rid of the
Allocation the the buzz and the hype like what are people just what how do they value an evie?
What are they fine results by sales and maybe okay?
We probably have to have we probably have to call cars and bids and have them
Export a report for us
Where it was like oh where it's only ones in the last six months and then for and then also highest price from there
but um
Used to be a job for fucking
Johnny I think if we called it and asked them to do this they go. That's a great podcast topic click click
Why don't I come on your podcast and talk about it? Oh that blue fucking gt3 rs is great
So evs here we're bringing trailer now. Yeah, okay, so auction results sold
And then let's sort by
Uh, oh wait hang on recent. Yeah, hi. Uh, hi bin. How do we sort by sort by recently closed?
And then can we do a yeah last last year I like that
Okay, uh, yeah, let's see what we get there. Do you want to start by highest highest bid? Yeah, sir, but has been okay
So
sapphires two sapphires
For 175 each but fucking these things three sapphires, but these things those things were 250 new yikes
You got a g-wagon for 157
And those are the only four bat results in the last year
Over 150 for an ev of any kind so people don't go to bat for evs. I mean there's a lot more of them
There's more on cars and bits and actually some of the results we saw were from 2024 so
Right, that's true. I think we did not sort by last by most reason here
So I think today go back up to the top
I think today the at the the general public really does have
A or sorry to the top of our results. I think the general public really does have an appetite
of let's call it 160
tops
For an ev new or used for the most part, right?
How many bids did those sapphires get on it or that the the
The 2024 that sold for 160 38 comments go down. How many bids?
By the way, the sapphire was pretty goddamn cool. I mean, I I don't know about 175 when those drop a little more
You know, there's their bids go keep going down down at the bottom
down at the bottom
Keep going. There we go 12 bids
722 watchers and 12 bids
Not that popular right if I'm honest not that popular cold start
That's pretty funny, but that would have been 250 new and sold after a year, you know
so, uh
I think there's some validity to my theory
If not a if not a hard science, but there is some validity to it
I think it makes a lot of sense and uh, I wonder how many like tycon turbo gts. They sold
It's a very extreme car. It's also very expensive right 260 or something like that new people who bought them new
Both of them told me they got
Like 80 90 k on the hood to take those cars. Oh, okay, so they paid 150 for the car stickered at 240
I mean, I think I think all high-end tycons go out the door with cash on the hood
I don't I think they're having a hard time selling the high the high-end ones. Mm-hmm. Yeah
Let's go to the people shall we yeah, do you have anything extra that the before the people? No, we're at an hour early great
By the way shout out to under the cuff straps our boy under the cuff matt
He sent us the cut to fit
Uh rubber straps that work on the canyons. Just sent me this one that works on my grand seiko
lake sua
That's cool rubber with a deployment class rubber with a butterfly deployant and it also has the um
The texture rubber so it looks sort of like sailcloth, but it's rubber
So i'm super the fit of this is really nice. It's super comfy nice, and i'm really stoked because I
Grand said I love this watch. It's good. It's the best dial ever
But because it's a 22 millimeter lug
And only a 41 millimeter case that's a very wide lug for a 41
So a lot of straps look really weird and like too big for the small case
This strap has a nice taper. Yeah nice slim deployant, and it doesn't look too big and chunky for the case
So shout out to uh under the cuff. I should get some i'm not even fishing
I'm gonna go buy some rubber straps because I have leather and I have metal
I have a like for some some i have a couple for the canyons if you want
I have a couple 20s the curve so the curved end ones
They don't always fit every watch perfect because not every watch has the same curve
But like a lot of watches that will have you know a straight lug and then a curve
And it's like it'll get pretty close. So I have a couple different colors. I will give you
um
And you can see if they fit right there very nice the weiss today
Uh shot, I think Cameron weiss is coming to town next week if so we should maybe get him in a show
That'd be cool. You know he fucking moved
Temporarily to switzerland him and his family moved to switzerland because they couldn't find
good help in america
um
To to work at their watch factory they they just like couldn't find watchmakers
And so they were like fuck it. We're gonna open up a training center in switzerland
And train people and then have them move to dashville and work at the manufacturers
So they've been in switzerland for like a year
And uh, they have a guest room at their house. They've invited us
But uh, it seems it seems like they're having a pretty good time over there. Very cool
But he's going to come he's coming back to visit next week. We should fucking get him in here
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Uh christian says have you heard anything about the baxter cayman replacement?
I have not. Hmm. I have not either
Uh, I've heard they've they've got the ev one that's like almost ready to go and then I've heard they have to
Somehow make a somehow make a gas one again. I don't empty their position
Mm-hmm
Uh christie yama gucci main says is a 100 k nc. Miata of $5,000 driving experience
I think it's worth more than that as a driving experience at 100,000 mile nc. It'll feel
It's probably a $10,000 driving experience or $12,000. Yeah, someone commented try finding one for five grand depends on where you are
That was a great car. We drove the turbo charge one
If you if you need to elevate it throw a little suspension at it a turbo on it
But that is a fantastic
Uh smile inducing driving experience miles do not matter on that car
Uh ripping toots any plan to review the mercedes cla 350 formatic eq
No
That I read that name and I just go seo death. Yeah, that's a that's a real don't click on this fucking video
Kind of car silence of the lambo very good
um, that would be pretty funny if you
When you put a revuelto into like ev mode to like putter into your garage if it then
A flashed across the bleak gauge cluster silence of the lambo that would be pretty cool
What if you made the ev sound the sound of lamb screaming?
Just extra when you fired it up. It just goes. Hello clarrie's
You matter slice 14
Was the ford fusion twin turbo v6 any good when it came out?
Did the for when did the ford fusion have a twin turbo v6? I know the um
Taurus did
And it was not very good
Did the fusion get that motor?
The 2017 to 19 fusion sport got a twin turbo v6
Had a two points. It had the 2.7. It had a 2.7 probably based on the engine that oh, that's a v6 not the four
325 horsepower 380 torque. That's pretty strong. How interesting that I have literally never fucking
Didn't know that didn't know that this is the era when they uh ford
Owned astin or right after so the front of it looks a lot like astin martin's remember that. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, oh, we see what they did. Yeah, it looked like a rapid till a rapid pull up
But you could sit in the back of the fusion. That's the difference fusion sport. Oh, wait a minute
You know, it's funny. I may have driven it. I think it was it came with a hall decks all wheel drive too
I think it was fast but like heavy like it wasn't like sporty
This is but there's a good highway car. Yeah, it's probably a pretty good-looking car too. Yeah, especially if you drop it a little bit like that looks
Yeah decent looking sedan
325 horsepower, but I don't this I don't think this was the same as like
A cobalt ss that was like trying to be a hot hatch
No, you could tune this a bit and make it look like a cop car right do the cannonball
It but that's it and that's about it
Okay, it looks good in red though. Yeah. Yeah
Jeep of thesius says uh another luce question
Given the design is legitimately appalling
How well would it need to do everything else for it to justify a 600 thousand dollar asking price?
I don't think there we just you know based on what we just discussed
I I don't think there's anything
That it could can you just pull up bat again and see what rolls royce specters?
because like
The the ev that most justifies a high price point to me is a specter
Like because it's still a rolls. Yeah, it's still got all the dope shit that you would want from a rolls, right?
So this one was no sailed at 451
And I guarantee you that motherfucker had a price tag starting with a five or a six
Yeah, it's the launch packet. So see if there's a window sticker shot
Let's see how much the what the actual msrp was
Of this no sale
Does it say
Uh, no msrp. Is there a window sticker usually in the photo gallery, there'll be a window sticker the very bottom
Like yeah, maybe if you go scroll to the bottom, there we go. Let's see. What do we got?
521
Yeah, so this fucking thing lost, you know, so 60 it was a no sale at 70 under sticker. Yeah
Uh, how many miles wrong? Was this someone just trying to get rid of this? It had
99 miles. That's brand new. Yeah, so someone was trying to flip it
So so that's you know, if nobody will pay
450 for a brand new electric rolls and as we've said like this company is associated with having the smoothest driving thing in the world
Right, it should be quiet powerful. Blah blah blah. That's why the engines were a giant v12 and turbocharged now
You've got an electric powertrain does the job arguably better
Um, and it's people still weren't that into it. So farari one of its selling points
What it's selling points bad recognition. Yeah performance sound look has no sound. Yeah, and the looks are controversial. Yeah. Yeah
Oh, and we we asked on the last show
Do people are people from china into this car? I had two people dm me that live in china
Yeah, two people that represent all of china. Thank you very much. It's what we got. That's chinese ambassadors have
Transformed it in. Hey, that's right. There's the diplomats from there. Um, one said
We absolutely don't want this. We're not into it and the second person said the biggest flex in china is the guy that drives a
Mustang gt v8
And he's like he said outside my window. There are maserati's. There's all kinds of nice stuff that is sold at dealerships there
But importing a gas guzzling loud thing like that takes power
That's the move. That's the flex. Yeah, so we'll see but
That's like the guy I saw in fucking, uh, monaco that was driving the 89 catalac
What it's like you own the world like whatever you're doing
Uh, hand shelter. I barely knew her pretty good
Would nissan have done better with the nismo z by following the gr corolla playbook, uh, manual first followed by auto
That's a great question. Yeah
I have to I would wonder if the take rate on m2's
Is you know 90 dct versus or whatever paddle shifted versus 20 manual
Then these then nissan did it right, you know, like the loud voices we want the manual, but the market actually wants an auto
So I don't know
I think their their justification was very flawed that that people would care about lap times
Nobody who cares about lap times is spending
A hair under 70 k on a nismo z. That's not why you buy that car. It's not that fast
You know what I mean if you have 70 k and care about lap times and you must have a nissan
You're gonna buy a used gtr. Like that's it. Like you're not doing you're not gonna do this
So what does this car do? Well, it does feedback. It does fizz. It does engagement the steering the steering of a gtr
Is fucking vague
Rad racer steering compared to the nismo z like do you want to engage with machinery? That's what a nismo z is for
So I personally my vibes are like, yeah, it should have been stick, but like
I'm not in the meeting. I don't have the data. So I don't know. I'm glad it's stick now
I mean what they did they they did the thing they said they were gonna do
They said here's the auto one if there's enough demand
We'll make a stick one
Bunch people said they wanted it now they made it like they called they said it
Yeah, so, you know, so if you said that you go by it. Yeah, jack stolen valor tune
Uh, is there any desirable or high-end digital watch to complement a collection?
I mean g-shock is a huge brand that is
Incredibly fashionable and they make watches that are like 30000 dollars. Wow. Yeah, there's a there's a line called the
mcg line that is their metal they're fucking
You know kind of crazy looking but like yeah, they're there's serious g-shock collectors
Yeah, that'll happily pay big money for special g-shock. So
That's pretty much the gold standard of your digital watches. There's also like
Some weird stuff that's like late 70s digital watches like some hamiltons and shit
boulevards from the late 70s that are like
Space tv kind of kind of stuff the gold calculator watches are still kind of cool
Yeah, if you're dude if you want to look cool on a budget you can always go with a gold casio calculator watch and you are
Right in the game. No problem
auto Bon Jovi
Do you think charity car shows should have a set ticket price
Or suggest a donation mount at the door and leave it up to attendees
Went to a show last weekend the change from a suggested donation of 10 to a set ticket price of 25
It occurred two years ago and the attendance has plummeted each year
I don't think
I hope that's not 25 a person
I think the money for a charity car show should be largely collected
from
the people showing their cars
Because they're happy to donate. That's not a problem
and sponsors
and
Uh
Potentially relationships with vendors
And I would not charge walk-in attendees and instead ask for a suggested donation
Uh, that's what that's what I would do by the way
June 7th saturday riff raff charity car show
um, it's in uh
Agora hills, right is it thousand oh certain gore hills. Where's that? Where's the dividing line? Is it agor hills?
I think it's agor hills. It's at barrett, which is another barrett automotive group. Yeah barrett's another it's in west lake village
It's another car storage place
But he's far enough away that I actually like him kevin barrett's a sweet guy
But me and johnny and tommy kendall are judging
The car show there's a few different classes
Um, there's going to be food. There's going to be vendors. It's to benefit
autism society
autism society la
Um free admission for guests guests are free admission and it's they you know, you if you want to enter a car
It's a 250 donation
Uh, the categories are rad wood exotics and best daily should be a sports car with high miles
That's what that means. It doesn't mean you're fucking camry
It means literally means if you have a dope daily with high miles. I'll be out of town. Otherwise, I should enter my car
Would be perfect your car is like literally the thing they care about headliners. What's the no, it's judged
I'll look down. They might car. Yeah, you do. You're tall
They, uh, they might call that
Nepotism or so anyway, that's uh, that's going on. Um, saturday sunday june 7th
10 to 1 in west lake village the flyer as well as the link to enter a car is up on my
Instagram, I think to go back to the question. I would I agree with you. It sounds like
Whoever's organizing this needs to do a better job of getting vendors or charging people to bring their cars out
I mean, obviously if they want to throw an event for charity, they don't want to do it at a loss
but
If you can make up that money in all these other ways and then attract more people
You know, if if admission's free
You'll have more attendance and then the vendors will sell more shit and maybe there'll be more donations. Yeah
Johnny ev gearberman, uh, I've answered this one before throughout the years
But I'll answer it again of all the cars you've ever had and sold. Which one do you miss or regret the most?
I don't
I don't really have any regrets usually if I get to the point
Where i'm selling a car. It's because i'm kind of over it and not because of
I need the money necessarily or i'm out of space, which has happened in the past, but um
There
I'd like to get another skyline one day
I don't specifically miss the one I had and I wouldn't want to chase that one again
um
But that's that's really it
If there was a fucking brand new condition o6 john cooper works many for reasonable money
That would be a good
Good fun fun thing to have but I don't still such a good car. Yeah, I don't really think they are
There's other stuff that I like missed out on
That like I didn't get back then
That I'd like I'd still like to get a civic si like a 2000 civic si but like you know, I'm probably not gonna
um
Integra type r that's there's nothing that I'm sold. I'm like, I'd love to have that back like
It would be cool to get the fox body back for the right price
Because now I could afford to put the motor in it that it should have had and whatever whereas back then it would have been a
Pain in the ass
But like dude, we got projects going on the fucking Manx is getting the engine out in the upgrade
I'm gonna want to drive that when it comes back
The Mercedes is getting built the fucking kuntosh is getting put back together like I'm about to get flooded with my own cars
So like I don't want I don't we can't have anything else
Uh jeep chem trail walk. So good
There's a section of road near me with a 25 mile an hour speed limit that still feels slow even at 35
Just driving normally. Are there any roads where you're surprised at how high or low the speed limit is?
Uh
Yeah, I mean when you read about how speed limits are calculated
It's an interesting science
um
And I think america does a really bad job
Of matching speed limits to
What a safe speed to drive is a lot of the time other countries do it better the way america
America thinks about speed limits
um
Not
In terms of what is the safe speed to drive on this road? It's almost never that
Um, they when they calculate them they measure how fast people drive down the road and they choose a number
That's the 85th percentile of that
And that's what the speed limit is
Well, that's kind of dumb if you ask me it's kind of it's subjective although. It's like crowdsourced. It's like well
Here's what everyone thinks is safe. Yeah, and so we'll go with that
Yeah, and most people drive the speed that they feel is safe given the conditions regardless of what the actual number says on the speed limit
And so that's why i'm a big fan of using natural
Things that already exist natural barriers lane narrowing
Painting lines in different ways different textures on asphalt
You can indicate to people
That it's time to slow down now because there's going to be pedestrians and shit around
In a way that is more effective and safer than changing the number from 55 to 35
Um or in conjunction with that that will result in more safety as is if you have a three lanes each way
And there's a fucking school zone and it goes from 55 to 25
And it's just a speed trap
Because the road still looks like a highway
It's only the sign has changed and now they can sit there and get you
You know come on it's like well in texas you've got those frontage roads next to the highway and sometimes those frontage roads are three lanes across
And they look like the freeway. Yeah, and so you will see people going as fast as you are
They're on the frontage road, which should be I think it's like a 45 or something
They're doing 80 because they're like this feels and looks like the highway. It's just you know 100 feet to the right
Yeah, the road in front of our shop right here is three lanes each way
And it looks like a highway. Yeah, and people driving at highway speeds and consequently
The light out in front of the shop here the traffic light has some crazy accidents
Because it's there's sort of a curve and people try to run the light at fully like 80 miles an hour
And the side streets that are crossing at that light do not look like a highway
And so the the visibility from the side streets is
I'm on a residential street. I'm on a side street. Whereas the other way is fully
I'm almost on a highway
And so that's a that's a real mismatch there. Um
Yeah
But when you have is a low speed limit on a road that visually looks like you should be able to go
Faster that's a failure of those civil engineers to match the visuals to
the the law
Yeah crab hab says I sold my 2017 gt 86 to pay for god dental surgery not covered by insurance
boo
Any advice for managing with just one sporty car?
Uh, I mean most people do that, uh, you know
Your sporty car you indicated the 2023 wrx. I mean that's a pretty versatile car
So advice for that. I mean you can get summer and winter tires
Depending on where you live to optimize that
That car's performance. You can upgrade your brakes. That'll help you
All the time. I wouldn't fuck with your powertrain too much because you need this car to be your daily
So, yeah, I don't know what the reliability is of those like stage two does feel like a whole different car and I recommend it
But also be careful. Yeah, and you still have a warranty. So maybe don't do that
You could do suspension I guess you could do
Like a short shift kit like things you interact with that might just wake it up a little bit
But I get it. I mean the brz gr 86 is one of my favorite things to drive. It is so much fun
I don't know. I think I'd rather have a second gen gr 86 than a first gen boxer
I don't you don't if you only have one car you do not want it to be a 25 year old Porsche
No, like you just don't that's just like that's bad car math, you know, it might cost more than dental surgery
Preparing that thing. Yeah, you have to sell your teeth to fucking fix the car, dude
Uh, last one and then uh, we are out of here
Lando Norris says nor ace
Says, uh, I'm cross shopping a late model Prius versus a civic si for an urban commute
The heart says civic because I don't have a fun car, but the brain says Prius. What's the move?
I mean, dude a Prius is not fun
No, they look good
The late model I assume you don't mean the current price
The current Prius is it happens to look very nice and the steering is pretty nice
Um, but Prius is aren't fun. Yeah a civic si is gonna have a manual gearbox should have a manual gearbox. Yep
I mean looks better inside and out. I think
Is the difference between
A do you have to drive stick is driving stick every day going to be problematic for you? Yes or no?
That'll answer it b is the difference between
30 and 45 miles a gallon going to be a difference for you
Yes, or no
If it is like there's no better daily on earth than a Prius like should there just isn't it's it's a fucking car
That's spacious and efficient reliable reliable. Fuck you should see the fucked up Priuses
I take home from the airport. Mm-hmm 800,000 miles fucking dash lit up like crazy. We're next to that one in traffic
A week ago. It had every light on guys blasting music the hoods messed up. It's definitely been crashed several times
The number of red lights. Yeah, it looked like a fucking tic-tac-toe board. I was a dash still operating
You know, it was your reaction time board. Yeah, like those are so durable taxis
for a reason
But I this feels like more a money question, you know if you're just driving in the city
Stop and go will you get more enjoyment from sitting in a civic that looks a little better, but we'll get
Probably significantly worse gas mileage in the city for sure. Yeah, well that
Is that number going to hurt you too much and hurt your pocketbook or your bank account?
And is driving stick in urban situations going to annoy you in that younger me would say no problem today
I'm like, why the fuck would I do that? I am so thankful
for my tic-on
After after spending a day in the gundtavux
to to drive errands in the tic-on is like
Fucking how far have we come and I'm thinking about thinking about that car
and then thinking about a tic-on turbo gt and going
The quiet one would win in a drag race here. Oh, yeah
and I'm not saying that like
it's just like
Like I I like air-cooled cars and analog cars and stick shift like for big to engage with machinery for recreation, but like
Electric cars are just so obviously better. Like they're just just it's better. Like it's quiet. It doesn't get hot. It's like
You know what I mean? Like there's not smelly shit coming out of the back of it
Like it's just so obviously better to achieve that same goal
Even if like we like the worst thing just because we do it for fun. Yeah. Yeah crazy crazy
Thank you to our patrons for such good questions. We'll save the remainders for uh for the next cruise show
Thank you to everybody else for listening along go check out our youtube videos. Uh by the time you get this the um
Zach and I drive a thousand miles to go for a hike in a 991.2 turbo s that we are giving away
Giving it away guys
Get your entries in before august because we are giving away a 992 turbo s
Uh, and then we'll have videos with the zinger. We'll have videos with the db12 s
We'll have videos with something else. I'm forgetting gt 500 the gt 500. Uh, uh,
Nismo, no, we know the nismo. We already did. Yeah, um, that's it. See you later. Bye
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About this episode
A sponsor-and-giveaway opener leads into track talk that swings from Czinger’s high-downforce setup at Willow Springs to the Gunther Works F-26’s extreme aero and “echo box” cabin. The discussion gets technical—downforce, stability during throttle-to-brake transitions, shift feel in hybrid modes, and even AC compressor cutout at max throttle. Later, the Q&A pivots to auction/dealer selling, charity car-show logistics, and practical driving advice, with plenty of banter about what’s actually worth the money.
Matt Farah tells the story of driving the spaceship-like 1,200HP Czinger 21C Aero on a racetrack; he and Zack Klapman describe their morning with the terrifying Gunther Works F-26;
Patreon questions include:
Update on the Boxster/Cayman EV
Is a 100k-mile Miata worth $5k?
Was the turbo Fusion any good?
Can the Luce justify its price?
Should the Nissan Z have been a manual first?
High-end digital watches
Charity car shows: ticket price or free to enter?
The car we regret selling the most
How they set speed limits
Can I make my 2023 WRX fun?
Commuter: Civic Si or Prius?
And more!
Recorded May 29, 2026
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