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Ep. 304: Do NOT Buy These Cars New!

Ep. 304: Do NOT Buy These Cars New!

TFL Car Chat Sep 29, 2025 60 min
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About this episode

A deep dive into the automotive market reveals which cars to avoid buying new and which ones to consider used. The hosts discuss their recent experiences with various Toyota models, including the GR86 and the final edition Supra, emphasizing their unique features and driving impressions. They also explore the depreciation rates of popular vehicles like the Tacoma and Wrangler, suggesting that buyers might be better off purchasing these models new to avoid steep losses. The episode is packed with insights on reliability, value retention, and the evolving landscape of electric vehicles.

Topics: car depreciation buying new vs used Toyota models GR86 final edition Supra electric vehicles Tacoma Wrangler luxury sedans BMW XM
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Cadillac El Dorado
Matti Blume (CC BY-SA)
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Cadillac El Dorado

"It is more than a candle. So you could have a Cadillac El Dorado Doni or you could have a new phone. Well, there i..."
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Cadillac El
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Cadillac El

"It is more than a candle. So you could have a Cadillac El Dorado Doni or you could have a new phone. Well, ..."
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Toyota Supra
Matti Blume (CC BY-SA)
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Toyota Supra

"...ool new Toyota's such as the final edition Mark 5 Supra. I drove the new FR-86 GR86 Yuzu."
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Toyota Gr86
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Toyota Gr86

"...final edition Mark 5 Supra. I drove the new FR-86 GR86 Yuzu. I drove the new GR Coral, the new Toyota Co..."
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Tesla Model
Alexander Migl (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Tesla Model

"...ric car. People may think it's the Tesla, but the Tesla model S was very expensive when it came out about a yea..."
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Tesla Model S
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Tesla Model S

"...r. People may think it's the Tesla, but the Tesla model S was very expensive when it came out about a year ..."
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Hyundai Kona
Vauxford (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Hyundai Kona

"It's not as competitive. Like you have the Kona EV. You've got the Nero EV."
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Tesla Model 3
Matti Blume (CC BY-SA)
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Tesla Model 3

"...ll-wheel drive. Because you can get a pretty good Model 3 now for... But much of the country world doesn't ..."
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Nissan Leaf
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Nissan Leaf

"So Nissan pioneered this. You remember in the old Leaf you've got this little button that says one pedal..."
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Toyota Corolla Cross
Elise240SX (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Toyota Corolla Cross

"...d the embargo is up now. So I drove the refreshed Corolla cross and Corolla cross hybrid."
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Scion Frs
MercurySable99 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Scion Frs

"...s is the same color they used in 2015 on the Sion FRS Series 1. So it's really cool."
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Ford Bronco
Calreyn88 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Ford Bronco

"What's that? First edition Bronco. Yeah, it's pretty similar."
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Toyota GR Corolla
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Toyota GR Corolla

"...hink is going to be even more collectible, is the GR Corolla. No."
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Toyota Land Cruiser
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Toyota Land Cruiser

"...following, Super has a huge following. Similar to Land Cruiser. And do you remember the Land Cruiser heritage ed..."
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Porsche 911
David Villarreal Fernández (CC BY-SA 2.0)
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Porsche 911

"Oh, God. It's a lot cheaper than 9.11. But I drove that thing on the track."
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Mazda MX-5 / Miata
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Mazda MX-5 / Miata

"...eally great, but they made it just like the Mazda Miata, one size too small for big American people,"
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Bronco Raptor
Calreyn88 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Bronco Raptor

"...reasoning for putting, it's kind of like buying a Bronco Raptor on 37s, right? You don't need 37s, right?"
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F-150 Raptor
UltraTech66 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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F-150 Raptor

"...ng for putting, it's kind of like buying a Bronco Raptor on 37s, right? You don't need 37s, right?"
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Kia Sportage
Vauxford (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Kia Sportage

"...es with the Kona, right? And it competes with the sportage, or not the sportage, the little one. The little ..."
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Toyota RAV4
TTTNIS (CC0)
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Toyota RAV4

"...o if you don't need the size and the expense of a RAV4. Exactly."
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Ford Bronco Sport
JustAnotherCarDesigner (CC0)
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Ford Bronco Sport

"... mean, potentially you could crash on this like a Bronco Sport. That's a little bigger."
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Toyota Tundra
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Toyota Tundra

"...st-cutting recently? And I would point to the new Tundra where they had to replace 100,000 engines."
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Toyota Tacoma
Noah Wulf (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Toyota Tacoma

"...s some other issues that are coming to light that Tacoma has had some transmission issues. And I'm just wo..."
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Toyota 4Runner
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Toyota 4Runner

"...kind of looking back finally at cars like the old 4Runner, the old Tacoma, the Hilux that just had these bu..."
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Toyota Hilux
Calreyn88 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Toyota Hilux

"...at cars like the old 4Runner, the old Tacoma, the Hilux that just had these bulletproof reputation?"
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i8 (I12)
Damian B Oh (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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i8 (I12)

"First of all, I borrowed... I took the I8 and drove it over Independence Pass and, oh my Go..."
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Porsche Makan
Alexander Migl (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Porsche Makan

"So one hell of a car. Now the Porsche Makan EV, gray car, tons of power,"
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Audi Q6 Etron
Matti Blume (CC BY-SA)
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Audi Q6 Etron

"I'm talking about the Q5 e-tron. Q6 e-tron. Q6 e-tron, yeah."
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BMW X5
JaayJay (Public domain)
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BMW X5

"... it doesn't... It does not follow within like the X5, X6 family. What's a hybrid?"
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Audi A8
Vauxford (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Audi A8

"...dan specifically ever. So we're talking BMW A8 or Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Mercedes S-Class."
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Bmw 7
MB-one (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Bmw 7

"So we're talking BMW A8 or Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Mercedes S-Class. I think traditionally, ..."
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Mercedes-Benz Sclass
Dinkun Chen (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Mercedes-Benz Sclass

"So we're talking BMW A8 or Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Mercedes S-Class. I think traditionally, any of the big sedans,"
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Audi S8
Calreyn88 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Audi S8

"...ly, any of the big sedans, S-Class, 7 Series, A8, S8, they just appreciate like rocks."
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G-Class Gwagon
Dinkun Chen (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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G-Class Gwagon

"Tad P brings up a good point. The BMW XM was supposed to be BMW's answer to the G-Wagon, although we have heard rumblings of BMW's doing an actual off-road SUV."
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Bentley Bentayga
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Bentley Bentayga

"...mean I think they were going after G-Wagon, maybe Bentayga. Right, I'll give it."
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Chevrolet Corvette
Matti Blume (CC BY-SA)
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Chevrolet Corvette

"... you go next one? I don't think I would buy a new Corvette. Which is funny, because we just bought one."
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BMW Z4
Matti Blume (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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BMW Z4

"...lues in some sports cars, like compared to like a Z4. Having said that, we did get quite a bit off on ..."
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Mercedes-Benz EQS
Matti Blume (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Mercedes-Benz EQS

"Yeah. I mean, I was just shopping around EQS Mercedes. I mean, the sedan's just never buy an e..."
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Jeep Wrangler
Dinkun Chen (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Jeep Wrangler

"Use Tacomas are terrible values. Same thing with Wranglers. Same thing with Wranglers."
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Lexus Gx
Dinkun Chen (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Lexus Gx

"I'll give you another one. Lexus GX. Yeah, that's a good one."
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Volvo V60
Vauxford (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Volvo V60

"...ow if I think they finally killed them. But Volvo V60 T8s. Really?"
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Ford Maverick
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Ford Maverick

"...g to get a Tacoma, a Wrangler, a Bronco, a 911, a Maverick, a Maverick, anything that's super popular,"
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Land Rover Range Rover
Alexander-93 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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Land Rover Range Rover

"Sure. Any Range Rover? Yeah."
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BMW i3

"...ought it and Andre won't get rid of it is the BMW i3. Yeah, those are really good."
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