Episode #187 - Podcast Project Car Talk

In a world with entirely too many shows about cars, this is another Pointless Automotive

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Frank, how are you doing?

Doing well enough to belch that bad boy?

How are you doing tonight, man?

Oh boy, everything is functioning physically, emotionally.

No, things are great.

How are you?

You are well?

Yeah, doing well.

Well, man, I'll leave that to your doctor to determine if everything's functioning

as it should.

Yeah, Dre.

But yeah, things are...

It's the only one I see is Dr. Dre.

Very nice, very nice.

No, things are good, man.

Things are good.

I'm really excited.

There's a lot going on right now.

Always.

Dude, I am so pumped about a car we're about to tag team.

That's the episode.

It's called Tag Teaming Car Projects.

Get your heads back into the gutters, boys and girls, because this is a...

We are going to Eiffel Tower some automobiles.

This is cool, because we kind of are like siloed in separate entities and do our

whatever projects, and our own modus operandi.

What are we actually trying to do with these cars?

We don't know.

We're feeling it out.

But it's kind of cool to combine forces and do the budget store, dollar store version

of Wheeler Dealers, especially for this new car coming up.

We should visit some historical things we've done together.

We did a really cool project, and I think a really cool car.

It was a 1990 BMW E30 that was a 325i sedan manual.

Frank, how was that experience, us working on a project car together?

It went well, if you're asking me.

We came out cash positive, which is always good, because let's say we didn't.

That's where things get complicated, right?

If like, why, who's fault, there's a bunch of shit that gets into it that we don't

want to get into, and so I think we bought the car right, and it needed work,

and we found stuff along the way, and a few things, and it sold.

We thought it was going to bring a little bit more money than it did,

but that's just how this thing goes.

Ultimately, at the end of the day, car went to a good home, car was saved,

it gave you diseases, but other than that, I think it was mission accomplished.

Like on a huge banner behind us talking about it on an aircraft carrier,

mission accomplished. What are your thoughts on it?

What's your takeaway?

I know we're both pumped getting into it, and I hadn't seen the car until a rainy

night, a tow truck dropped it off at my house, definitely ran rough, was my

immediate take, cosmetically slightly challenged, not at all comparable

to some of the really bad E30s out there, unfortunately, a lot of those

do fade into really irreparable states.

This was bronze beige metallic with a natural beige leather interior.

Really good looking car. Like I said, it was cosmetically challenged a

little bit, but the big thing was how it ran, deferred maintenance, those

kind of things, and it was cool, man. I was pumped, I had never worked

on an E30 like before, so this was kind of a new thing to me.

I had known out of all the BMWs that it's a pretty approachable

platform, and it proved to be, man, it was fun cutting my teeth on an

E30 with that car. I think it's a great example of that. That motor is

really, really solid. Everything about that car is actually really

solid, safe for the gauge cluster and that kind of bullshit. We'll

probably get into that in a little bit, but the big stuff I did was time

and belt water pump, which is like a small fortune if you take your

car to a shop to do. So that came out good.

It was fairly straightforward on that car.

Yeah, super straightforward. There's plenty of room. The distributed,

well, it's a little, the only challenge thing is the hood. The way

the hood opens forward does provide a challenging situation,

getting the belt on there. Whereas a normal, you know,

longitudinal engine car that opens normal functioning hood would

have been a lot easier, but hey, we did it, man. Cosmetically,

though, we did a lot. New badges, I think, what a long way,

restoring the wheels. The wheels were pretty bad. The clear coat and

paint was painting or peeling off.

Dinged up front air dam.

The front air dam dead catch. What is it? A raccoon or something?

Some kind of critter.

Yeah, maybe child, maybe like a ten-month-old.

Yeah, I think, yeah.

Yeah, the head height was just about right. With the little

piece of scalp I had to remove.

That's true.

But that was a big one. And then pink eye, of course,

because there was a fucking mouse living in the intake, so

that was super fun. That's probably why it ran kind of

bad, part of it.

It didn't help.

But now that car, like, night and day difference in both how it

ran and cosmetically, I think, when we were finally done with

it, I think we did good. We were pretty smart. And the fun

thing was, like, I usually just get a car in. I do a big

inspection, and then I order, like, a ton of parts. But the

cool thing with this car is, you kind of had already, like,

warned me of some of the things you suspected. And then

when I got my hands on it, I was running all the

purchases by you, because we did want to budget check

this thing. And when you're working with another person, I

think it's really important to keep budget in mind because, for

me, it's super easy to fucking get crazy and, like, blow way too

much cash. And on a car like this, so easy to do. Things are

pricey. But yeah, I think that was probably the most fun

was, like, it was that wheeler, dealer dynamic. Like, you

secured the car, dropped it off. And I was like, oh, and

the more I dug in, it was fun. It was surprising. But I

had a good time with it, man.

You are my Ed, China.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My Ed, or am I Aunt? Am I Elvis even, you

know? Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, it went well. And I

think at the end of it, because, like, what all did we do, right?

So we had to do the cluster.

Ooh, yeah, that was cool. Which is pull it out, send it

out to get rebuilt by, like, the guy. Of course, they

found some of it was beyond repair. And so they got this

and that done. It was, you know, thankfully, it wasn't

like an odometer really issue. It was like everything else.

We needed a new SI board. And that's right. And which was

damaged. And then we had to get another other one and send one

out as a core and getting in and out of the dash as a pain in

the dick and balls. Dude, especially because we had like

an uncracked dash, which is a rarity with the E30 BMWs from

that period. And like that thing, dude, the way it

creaked when we had to like flex it. I just picture the whole

time I pictured this fucking heat blowing up going right down

the middle.

Yeah, it needed a headlamp switch. I put a headlamp switch in

it because the one was just like corroded and frozen in

place. It needed resourced and OEM stereo.

That's right. It's needed. Did we send the AFM out on

that as well?

For rebuild? I don't remember. I'm not sure. I want to

say there was a kind of a flat spot in it. Maybe that

might be so that went out as well. We did plugs wires. You

did the timing belt valve covers valve cover.

Yep. Gaskets distributor distributor. We ordered horns. I

don't think we ever installed them, but we ordered horns

because they were dead.

Golly, what else? Tires. Yep. Tires. And it added up. And I

don't remember how much we were into that car total, but I

think it was like, I've got it on a spreadsheet somewhere.

It's like a message or something like that. We put a bit

into her. Yeah. And it sold for 16, 325 if I remember

correctly. I'll bring a trailer. And, you know, we thought

it would go for low 20s. Unfortunately, the auction

ended the getaway Friday of 4th of July weekend. That's

right. 2022, I think that was 23. It was 22. Yeah, I think it

was 22. So, yeah, and the guy who bought it, he had like a

750 IL and he wanted something smaller and he placed that

bid and no one countered it. And afterwards he's like, man,

I was prepared to like bid into the low 20s. I'm like,

tight. Thanks, guys. We were expecting to see some of that

action too. Yeah. But tell you what though, that peak of

COVID was very good to the E30 because it's died way back

from there. We're not near, you know, you got to have a

really special, special car to be in the 20s. What was the

mileage on that again? Do you remember off the top of your

head? I want to say it was just over 100. Yeah, it was

pretty low. It's like 110 or something. I honestly can find

it. The best feature about that car was the fact that it was

absolutely original. Like no modifications. And that's, I

think that's the challenge, right? To find it completely

unfucked. And it was one owner. Yeah, one owner, lifetime

California car. Interior incredibly clean. Usually

the seats are toasted. The dash is cracked. And it all

worked. It all looked good. I thought it was a very,

especially when we're done. Night and day difference, man.

I look back at the photos of that car in the review and I'm

like, this thing came out, this is probably better than 90% of

the E30s you see driving around easily condition wise. So it's

sold, we sold just over three years ago. Oh, we did PDR too.

We had PDR. That's right. Remember that. Let's see. Yeah,

it's sold on 71 of 22 16,325 127,000 miles. Okay, so pretty

low for 90. Yeah. Yeah, sedan look really good. Oh yeah, we

ordered floor mats. I remember that. Mm hmm. You got floor mats

for it. What else did we do a thermostat? I think I did when

I was in there. Yeah, thermostat to go back and watch. Yeah,

we'll rest though was big because I got like the center

caps. Right. Yeah, that came out so because they looked

like they looked horrible. When you get clear coat peeling off

those originally painted wheels, it looks so bad. And those

bottle cap wheels are pretty dope. So new new badges on those

with the paint and cool, that looks good. Yeah, yeah, no, it's

yeah, badges to OEM BMW badges came out really nice. Good.

The little touch those little touches for me are those

things that you kind of stand back when you're looking at a

car. And you don't necessarily say oh wow, look at the badge.

It's just like a total picture kind of thing how it

hits you. And that car just looks super damn clean. Yeah,

and it was it was a nice example. And yeah, it's it's I

don't know, interesting stuff drove incredibly well after

two years to it. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Boy, maybe we should do

this again sometime. What do you think like soon? Yeah, like

now, like a six cylinder manual. Yeah, we should we

should keep this thing alive, you know, like an entry

level luxury sedan. That's all we do for like the young

professional, right? That would be that would be great.

Yeah, well, yeah, there's there's not too many of those

around. Dude, I'm so like, let's be honest, we are we

are, we are jostling about the point, but it's we're

talking about our 93 Lexus ES 300 project that will

soon be coming into the tag team championship match.

Yes. Dude, I'm so I'm literally I had given up

the fact that I would ever come across one of

these things, let alone one in anything close to this

condition, to be truly honest. Yeah, for for those who

don't recall, we we talked about this a couple episodes

ago. Yeah, 1993 ES 300 130,000 miles, one owner, five

speed manual, cloth seats, sunroof, delete purple

that I mentioned purple, it's looking purple amethyst. I

think it's called like amethyst metallic. That sounds

about or deep amethyst mica, something like that. So it's

purple over gray, gray lower. It's it's it's very cool.

It's not completely perfect. But no one is interior

interior is almost flawless. Everything works power

antenna works air conditioning blows cold. It's got one

turn signal that's out. I did some digging and I found

some services to read on it that mentioned there was

like a maybe a bad socket or connector. Yep, I'll get

into that catastrophic check engine like came on a

couple of times during the drive home. More trouble

but yeah, but nothing blinking just come on for

five seconds solid and then disappear. No issues

drivability wise. The tires are pretty new suspension

brakes feel perfect. Clutch is it's it doesn't slip at

all. It just it's it feels like it's the original

clutch hundred and three thousand miles. So there's

life left in it. Once grape on the passenger

quarter slash bumper but not that major yep. It's

it's really really cool and yeah I posted a little bit

about it on my Instagram just in my stories, you know,

trying to get people to guess what it is based on the

shifter and things like that. And I will say shocking

the number of people that just like guessed it right

off the rip like oh my god he has three hundred

from like just the shifter and like the console.

Yep. Like holy you degenerates like yeah what

is wrong with you. I think I have like three

people just reflexively like oh my god a five speed

s 300 a couple of people were like oh my god you

got the purple one on Facebook marketplace like

they had seen the ad and and multiple people were

like oh my god I was gonna buy it or or or what

have you so it's such and that's the reason right

it's such a rare vehicle like these things they

just don't exist like I think it's like right

over 2000 total in two years 92 93 93 apparently

being the super rare year dude I'm I'm I'm ready to

make this thing kind of like the approach with the

30 we do those little cosmetic touches we get it

there because this is a car that already shows

well I think we just do those little touches push

it over the top the paint's gotta be perfect and

then anything that needs restoring gets restored

and mechanically will make it super sound because

it deserves it because these things what do

you think here's a good question for you sure

since these were a kind of disposable commodity I

which is weird to say about alexa's product sure how many

these are still around the manuals like still in a

state in a state where they've been like a state of

like a conditioned state right not a state like a physical

state because we know they're not in the rest belt states

but a state where they're being driven registered

insured how many of them worthy yeah how many do you think

are actually out there in circulation gosh I don't know

and I wonder

I I don't know like because they're all they're stout

they're reliable things they are but this was so like it was

a sure model everyone put 200 something thousand miles on them

and then when they died they died yeah or they got out from

they got to the third owner and the third owner doesn't

even know what a timing belt is oh and then it just stops

running one day or the water pump goes out and the car

shuts down and then now it's you know so like

I don't I mean I'm trying to remember well last time I've seen

one I don't I mean I'm sure I have seen one

in person a five-speed and just like he was driving by so like I didn't know but

yeah but um what's funny is I I've since gone back and watched the

motor week and their review of it was the five-speed

like there yeah I saw it was the five it's a red one I I do the same thing every

time I'm about to go by a car it's got to be motor week retro

and I guess exactly I gotta see yeah I gotta see what our guy John Davis has

got to think about it before he joined corn um and so before he got the life

exactly yeah before yeah whatever um

anyway I thought you were gonna do twist that part of twist where it sounds

like he's having a fucking orgasm see

yeah

yeah no I don't know I would sorry guys we got we first off one day we will

that's the pinnacle we have a we have a few guests that are the pinnacle

guests but John Davis for motor week yeah not a

corn well I mean we cure cure land either way right

like I suppose I want motor week edition

more than I want corn edition I you know I just

yeah I don't want to be anyone's freak on a leash I'll put it that way but

like

I don't know about that one they don't they just don't exist they are not yeah no

it's gonna be in the hundreds I'd argue that it's sell 500

in any state easy easy easy damn easy yeah I mean they

they made like 1500 of these in total so right so there's probably

I mean let's say what five to ten percent would be very very generous

these are 30 plus three year old cars so if 10 percent were still on the road of

the five speeds that would be an enormous thing so that's 150 so it's probably

less it's probably five so yeah I don't

um let alone a good shape and a cool color

and are maybe the best color the red is very very good

the red is really good the red looks green is also good

yeah that does look good but I think this is it purple

it's fucking yeah dude yeah it's um I can't even get excited because it's not

like it's not real yet it's kind of like my zero one isn't real

I it's under a car cover and I don't fucking look at it

yeah you know other than battery tending and if I have to tow it with a

glott vr4 every once in a while but uh it's just like I do that to

myself so I don't think about it but I'm actually so fucking pumped

because I I shoot you not dude so I have we and we all do right we all

listeners included I love you guys I know you do the same things as us I know

you have your regular cars that you're just looking

like I've taken a shot in the dark for that marketplace font

of that car you just want your white whale if you will

and the ES 300 manual has been mine it it totally has been mine for over 10

years and when you sent me that link and you

were like literally like buy this down like I don't know what I need to sell

like I'm looking at my organs I'm poking to see which ones still feel

healthy um you know you don't you got to sell the unhealthy ones that's the deal

like yeah I feel I don't know man I'm I try to

give out square and even deals so I feel kind of bad sure fair like if I donated

my penis or whatever it'd be I'd feel pretty bad about that penis donor yeah

things got some mileage on it brah but uh no it's it's one of the it's

honest it's always had that fucking it's like it's like a tree I don't know

it's growing towards the sun at a weird angle

but it's it's uh it's just like it's one of those cars that man no matter what

I just I always wanted to find one uh but they don't exist they don't fucking

exist yeah and and so yeah so but they do or one does

yeah and that was an art it's in our grasp and I will say shout out to um

friend of the program uh from the our friend of me podcast uh Brad from

auto off topic was one of the degenerates was just like oh my god

manually s 300 like based on just the shipknot effect oh of course

yeah of course he's he's yeah he's like beyond our level even of of

tomfoolery so yeah hat tip hat tip to to to bradley um but yeah like what

I will say and knock on knock on wood um as compared to the e30 this one I

think needs significantly less attention how that

usually starts I haven't expected it yet but yeah I mean

there's probably some like tiki like some tiki tax

shit always like oh maybe a vacuum line maybe a

outer tie rod maybe a connection yeah maybe like a sway bar end link or

something the suspension does feel quite

taught yeah um steering feels great but like

you know there's a little bodywork thing that's pretty minor

there's you know best I can tell the timing belt I I still got to do more

digging I think the timing belt has been done once but like

11 ish years ago like oh no that still makes me feel so much

better than a 30 something year old timing oh for sure

yeah right not an interference motor but still at that point it's not even about

the timing belt it's the water pump yeah you know what the water pump to go and

you boil the thing over and that scares if it's not an interference that both

heads are warped yep exactly um so you know I guess

I don't I don't think it's gonna I don't think there's any like it doesn't

even need tires I know that that's absolutely wild so I mean

we'll see I'm hoping it's just like detail

perhaps a timing belt water pump so it's it's up it's it's current

um I look you can get like an ace and kit off a rock auto for

under 200 bucks with water pump tensioner everything

it's a little bit of a job though that's a yeah yeah you can pop a motor mount

you know it's the dick it's a Toyota right so at least you know everything

is going to be 10s 12s and 14s as far as

right it's just uh it's just workspace right you don't get a lot of real

estate with a transverse yeah you get to get to bust some knuckles

so hopefully if the time belt was done in like at 90k that means it's only like a

40k belt which and yes yes time is important with timing belts but I'd

much rather have that than find out it's an original

like on the geotrack yeah and that's the thing too like on this car

looking at the car facts um good services does appear

yes good service history one owner it dealership its whole life I mean it has

a killer current by mileage not by year but by mileage

oil change sticker from the the conquered Lexus dealership

and we'll do that of course all the fluids yeah I bet the manual transmission

probably hasn't had its fluid change that often gets forgotten

maybe it did maybe didn't yeah um and that's what I need to do

um is so I was able to pulse a lot of the service history

off of the Lexus website because you can get a vindicode and so it pulled

a lot of it but there's a character limit and so

it doesn't there's more to be under so I'm gonna take it by

or at least take the title by once I get it to the dealership be like look

here's the car here's me can I can you guys print me up hard copies you

can redact out the owner's name I don't care

but just like I I want the records because I want to see

yeah what has been done what hasn't been done right if it was just in there

6000 miles ago and 18 months ago and had all all the fluids done and like okay

we'll do engine engine oil like we don't have to do it

uh transmission we don't need to do brake fluid necessarily whatever

um but it it seems it seems really taught it seems really good

yeah it's I think it's worth it I think it's worth it to go that extra

5% that usually don't always do with a car you're trying to

turn around perhaps but yeah I think for something that's nice and this rare and

just to push it forward knowing we topped it off a little bit

is always a good thing you know and I I'll always find something right

like no matter what like there's plenty of super like

I feel like it's super clean stuff man that I'm like man this is epic and I'm

like motherfucker I feel like it would be rad to

find some now it's not something to take on a rally

it's not that kind of car not that kind of car but

find something like we just like go on like a short road trip to somewhere to

do right even like cars and coffee is

kind of fun with that because it is purple and a manual and people are like

what the fuck yeah I take it down to a morning

motors or take it to uh I don't know what Wednesday

drift event in the summer at Sonoma I don't know

some excuse to drive it I don't know drive it to

drive to Reno to put a thousand dollars in one hand of blackjack and then turn

around and drive right back home I don't know goes goes ride the whip I don't

know yeah take it to a side show no um

wrong nexus just something to just like I don't know like get

get our get our fill of it get our get our jollies off with it

and then and then sell it to the next guy

hell yeah but uh yeah dude yeah it it's funny because it's like we just

bought the thing we've done nothing with it I

parked it that's all that's happened with it I know

and I'm already mentally like well what other

what other stuff like what's what are we doing after this right like what other

thing it's a great point and I really want to I want to get I want to get

the car I want to work on it real bad uh but I also want to real bad work on

my rally Volvo v50 and I really bad want to take the kids

for riding the tracker with the roof off so these are all like I've got some

pretty big projects to knock out uh in quick order but I am

I'm really really excited to get my hands on that car it's like I said

dude it's it's gonna be so fun I know it yeah that'll be good and I think

you know even and you said the Volvo v50 I've got the the bright orange

Ford fuck us to to work on um and that's sort of like

what is it when like when you've got like two kids

and they're like they're not playing at parallel play right where they're like

they're not like playing with each other but they're like playing with like

their toy cars like next to each other yep that's what we're doing with

with you know with those two cars right because it's not like a shared

project like the the one sister that you 30 was but

um but you know parallel play

with getting getting those together um and then yeah I you know we still need

to figure maybe that's the project right is our project is figuring out how

we're gonna get the the Ford focus and the

clutches of somebody to take on the rally I that needs to happen that

definitely needs to happen I think before the rally we need to be done

with our cars obviously that's a that's a goddamn

given uh but with enough time because I do want to review both cars

separately but I also want to review or do an episode of them together

and just like us back to back experiencing it

as the podcast and yeah that's sort of a requiem for a dream the only scene

that everybody fucking knows what else is that movie about

I'm just going to imagine like I'm gonna get into the I'm gonna get into the

focus I'm gonna turn the key and then it's gonna

like the smash cut of like my yeah the the bubbling of the fuel and then

like my pupils dilating super big like

requiem for a dream yeah but I think I think that would be a fun video to shoot

and like us like to drive each other's cars back to back and be like whoa

you know like that's crazy that both these cars were $2,000

I think I think that's good that'd be a fun video to make and we should we

should absolutely do that uh but we need to do that before the rally

so clock's ticking motherfucker I feel like I feel like we'll need to

somehow um

I don't know we'll have to get I won't be there on the rally but I would love to

get like some of the rally regulars to like

back to back like back to back each car and like okay like what's

what's the better rally runner for something like this and get some like

get some opinions on like hey like I like the v50 because it's

it's clearly had meth smoked in it for I like the I like

I like the focus because orange shirts by eyeballs or whatever um

and just kind of get the difference between the two and and and the juxtaposition

but I ultimately I like

to to to suck or or self suck a little bit

like I like what we're doing with this dual rally car thing

just because it's like we can be like you can spend nearly no money

and like we're doing and have a good time and and potential like

versus you know yeah right yeah exactly very bad time

that's also in the cards right in the cards and so yeah but like

the concept that we're trying to prove is and hopefully we do

is that yeah you can spend you know a couple hundred dollars a month

over the course of a year and have like something kind of sick

yeah doesn't have to be like super crazy but like something you can take on a

rally and have fun and and you can wrench on the cheap and

yeah have something that's interesting dude and like honestly it took us a

little bit to to find the right cars because we looked at a bunch of stuff

that a little more questionable it didn't take us that long though

not that long not that long but I think we both arrived independently

to cars that are just cool in their own rides like

without without a dollar constraint I think we both

arrived at really cool interesting cars that actually should be pretty damn good

on a rally too which is which is the coolest part right like

obviously you have a hot hatch and I got a five cylinder manual wagon

yeah it's like it's two interesting cars that

are very different that so that's why because I can't have the rally

experience with you and like do the thing I want to do like a little

mini take you out of the mountains and like run them go blast on the road

yeah and just just be like whoa like I had no idea

now I have experienced a lot of the the Volvo similar to this one it's a

little different you know C30 I've never had a modified one of

these so that's that's going to be interesting

yeah because you've got the sick exhaust cut out

yeah dude that's that's the only modern Jesus man

it's so bad I love it though like for

sense of occasion the the exhaust cut out it's fucking cool

like I must say for a free mod it's cool but I've owned a lot of those

Vovas and they've all been pretty much stock like that C30 R design manual

with stock my S40 was stock so I'm kind of used to how it drives

stock but with the rear sway bar and the i-box springs and

I'm going to do some other cool mods that weird fucking strut tower bar

I got passenger seat delete you know yeah I'm putting that seat back in

baby it's going back that's the biggest challenge for the car

and then I've driven a couple you know focus

SVT so it'll be interesting to drive yours but I'm

I'm super pumped man like I think we should definitely film that

back to back take them down some cany roads yeah kind of fun

yeah kind of fun kind of fun for sure and then

you know like just the other stuff that like

even beyond that right like I kind of like this format right assuming we

don't die or in my case get someone else killed if we like

lend my car out to somebody that one's worse that one's

significantly worse I yeah yeah I for sure you know

sign a waiver whatever but assuming everything goes according

to plan like I'm curious what like should we do

should we do the same thing but with like a higher price point

and even lower price point right like instead of 3500 all in we're like

2500 all in yeah and maybe I wasn't all in we added additional

restriction modifiers right so I was thinking one I shot in my head and I

don't want you to start thinking already was $5,000

gotta be a v8 oh should have had a v8 yeah um see

right or forced induction only or um

supercharged only I don't know there's I think this could be fun I think we

make it more interesting like that uh add the add these

like qualifiers to what we carbureted only

there's a lot of for a Sierra rally nightmare

yeah whatever um elevation yeah yeah yeah yeah Bosch CIS only no um

there's yeah domestics you know there's a lot of things that we can do

um who knows maybe we open it up to the people

who to vote yeah like you tell us like what

what nonsense should we get it now granted this is multiple projects

between you and there but yeah start thinking now everybody

it's curious to see it's got to be rally capable like so no like

yeah you know some 50 horsepower only dodge diplomats with over 300,000 miles

it's like you know what that would be funny like that would be interesting

only whatever we bring it has to be over 300,000 miles

anything but it has to be over 300k yeah I love that would be that would be

pretty sick um I mean I'm at 188 with my

Volvo so we're getting there yeah yeah it has to have three wheels only

you like yeah it's good and it's I think the

video will be kind of fun it's like when we took our off-roaders to the off-road

park uh that was a lot of fun and by off-roaders I mean my

100 series land cruiser in your lifted Sierra to you to Sienna yes

which definitely didn't uh didn't get stuck on the

camel humps if you well no just a little bit don't worry about it a

little high center yeah it's fine that's what many vans are for

my exhaust got significantly louder after that event

he says it's correct it healed itself that's what they do

so fairly yeah yeah but um I don't know it's gonna be

interesting but like yeah on the short term you've got a

Volvo I've got a Ford and we collectively have a Lexus

yeah yeah good stuff man which is uh yeah especially like

a domestic a swede and a Japanese luxury sedan so yours is kind of a lot

Euro though to be yeah it's Euro Euro Ford for sure um yeah what a

what a thing I do get a lot of compliment even with the heavy fade on the

paint dude a lot of compliments on it if that

paint was in good shape though oh yeah chef's kiss I know

yeah that would be the one to have um I do like the European package is cool

I do think I favor the skinny five spokes in the

yeah SVT's but I do I do like on it I think yours looks better with the four

door I think the five skinny five spokes look good with

the two-door hatch so yeah that's fair yeah um I do

that orange though that orange yeah the orange

the orange was only available with the European package which came with the

the whatever 20 spoke wheels or whatever they are

makes sense it's the only way you can get it one of one of 81

or whatever it was for that yeah um you know to go full Corvette guy but um

yeah I think it will be I think it'll be fun

I'm bummed I can't make the rally but hey you know what it could be I'm

determined to turn it into a a positive and find someone to wheel man it

um and yeah that'll be good but um should get on there man you should get

those fuelers out there and start like oh I've already had a couple people

reach out to the listeners have reached out nice yeah

yeah exactly cool right it's um yeah I don't know we'll figure something out

and to meet first like we I gotta get it going I probably I'll have time after

car week I think to put some actual hours into it

dude you're beating me to it because I still got a bunch to do on the track

or to take a vacation so I'm definitely but I'm gonna start doing

some late nights in the garage it looks like

yeah yeah just use some um some methamphetamines

yeah yeah I never stopped I never stopped so oh yeah can't stop won't stop

makes it easier very cool any any any parting

thoughts here before we get to our print ad quiz

game no I'm just I like this tag team thing it was a lot of fun with the

e30 uh it's fun it's fun working together uh

on this kind of stuff so I'm pretty excited about this one and if we kill

it on this one we just gotta make this a regular thing like with with

greater frequency yeah for sure not every four years three years whatever

whatever we're aiming for yeah yeah yeah needs to be

annual maybe quarterly I don't know depends how spicy we get but

a hundred percent but yeah yeah yeah rad well um

I have I'm I'm debating I had an ad picked out for you

and then I just stumbled upon what might be

my favorite ad thus far because it's so absurd

okay and it's hard but not it's certainly not impossible

um but it's it's amazing I'm almost tempted to save it for like a mystery

guest one day oh that that good but I kind of

want to read it now because it's doing knowing me I'll forget about it

yeah um okay so I'm gonna find it you tell the

good people at home what the hell we are been rambling on about

yep well we're rambling into is the automotive print ad quiz game show

this is a wonderful little game we play where we read a

advertisement for a vehicle uh from the 80s 90s

mid-2000s Frank today will be reading this publication

ad the tricky part is not giving away the makin model which is

in in the ad no fewer than 300 times usually so he's gonna read that leaving

that out I have three guesses based on just the

advertisement alone to figure out what the hell he's describing

now every time I fail he can give me a hint

usually doesn't or he misleads me he's really sneaky guys uh but anyway 10

minutes on the clock I gotta get there guys I gotta recover from your

fucking nightmare of an eagle ad you got me with last time

asshole um but yeah no I'm ready I think I'm ready

I've licked my wounds and uh Frank I need you to go ahead and

roll that beautiful bean footage okay so this one

the one pager okay uh cars at the top words are at the bottom half

words it's yellow we got that front

passenger front corner shot that we love so much

very nice and then the tagline it says it doesn't compete with other cars

it competes with sex

you got that right okay that sounds like some kind of competitive like sport

competing with kind of okay yeah so it doesn't compete with other cars

period it competes with sex the best way to spend an afternoon

in the blank is alone on a remote road just you and the blank

together on the asphalt with no one to see the primal emotions aroused

no one to see how the sound and surge of the twin turbo v8

and the precise movements of a suspension derived from years of

racing victories make you sense you're doing something

a tad illicit even though you know you're not

this is why you seldom hear people talk about their blank

except with a small cadre of uh how do you pronounce this fucking word

if it's a word I I don't think I've ever used um

cox cognacente let me rewind that a little bit

this is why you seldom hear people talk about their blank except with a small

cadre of cognacente whom they know will understand

it's also while you'll find the blank everywhere you go around the globe

because we're all human and regardless of

borders societies and cultures there's still a few things

that are universal

Chadwick what uh what twin turbo v8 uh

competes with sex yeah interesting ad

precise movements of the suspension derived from years of racing victory

right everybody says they have racing heritage in these print ads if you guys

haven't been listening for what is it almost four years we've been

doing this uh everybody's got racing heritage uh

v8 twin turbo that's kind of interesting narrows it quite a bit

narrows it a fair amount um

but no mention of door count no mention of of course we will drive out as no

or oh we'll drive uh it doesn't mention though which wheels are driven

to be fair correct no gearbox talk correct

it likes to it likes to beat around the bush pun intended

with regards to potentially how fuckable the car is

yeah so european period because i can't even think of a twin turbo v8

domestic right twin turbo v8 japanese car now uses the

term cognacente yeah that was that was a good

i don't i don't think it's it's how it didn't read like an italian ad i'll tell

you that um the twin turbo v8s

uh from the 80s 90s to mid 2000s right so we're not talking about like a modern

bmw or mercedes for a while they both of them used

uh floor four v8 was used for a long time bunch of other stuff we're not

even close to that i mean there's one one twin

turbo v8 that comes to mind but it's so fucking weird that they didn't

mention handling if it's the car i'm thinking of

um they mentioned getting a boner i fair and you don't have to handle that you

can't just let that be yeah you can't just twist in the wind

i mean yeah can that's a lot of just to put i don't think i could

i couldn't do that that'd be all over that bad boy um

jesus did um okay i know all of one twin turbo v8

sure so i'm gonna say it but it's so weird that they

didn't mention handling this literally is this if it is

this car and if it's not this car and you come at me with some weird fucking

shit i don't know about or some car they built 12 of and some

guys fucking shed um i won't be surprised um this is uh

this has got to be a lotus esprit my friend and this is

going to be year jesus that car talk about a car that had

everything from four cylinder turbos to right then the early ones have a four

cylinder turbo this is a v8 twin turbo this is a later car

this is like a 97 it's a 97 lotus esprit

this is the 2000 okay lotus esprit v8 yep that's what we got here let me

send you wasn't too bad wasn't so bad yeah i was gonna say like i think

i i name another mainstream production not even main this car's not a

mainstream production car but like an actual production car from a manufacturer

that you've heard of yep in this era that's a twin turbo v8

that's the only car that came to mind and then but the thing is that maybe the

outie rs6 this is not really like an outie rs6 not at all you would not

say that car competes with sex i think it's a cool car but yeah

no not at all uh very different and yeah that's because that was like an

03 so that could have worked yeah you're right yeah i just said you'll

link to the ad let's see what we got here but no handling no

handling by lotus talk no i mean sort of right

talking about uh oh good color mo movements of the suspension derived from

years of racing victories make sense what you're doing something a

tad illicit even though you know you're not

unisprit okay so get ahead look at the yellow is brilliant right

yeah these were good pretty pretty pretty cars um so i there's like a lotus

got to drive one pretty hard actually one of these the twin turbos but a modded

one so it had it had the boost cranked up had

meth injection huge oh yeah there's your valve um it was for one that was on

bring a trailer it just sold this last week for 77k

damn but uh yeah loud exhaust

yeah so really really sick so there here's the conundrum though

how the 80s ones look oh yeah i so i want a series series one series two

my my little 50 minute commute to work goes by this little shop that works on

low tie and they literally at the same time and this

is because you know what each one looks like right in your head

but parked next to each other you there's no there's no clear loser but the

80s one does it more for me i'm not talking the very

first like models i'm talking about those later 80s ones that

i love that wedge shape dude it's so

yeah no they're good um but god do the interiors we make fun of corvette

interiors mm-hmm those early cars lotus the spree

interiors look like they were like it's like a

it's a Pontiac fiero literally it feels like it's a bunch of random boxes and

things yeah this um this one i just drove but i only had like 14,000 miles

and it was a later car it was a oh three um and it was actually put

together pretty well but there's so many little things

there's so many signatures like when you start start the car the headlights

whoop whoop they because they're pop-ups for whatever reason they pop up and go

down real quick like okay lotus hopefully that's supposed to do that

and it's funny like you get underneath it the exhaust the entire exhaust mm-hmm

it's like goes into the turbo out of the turbo

to the tip there's no anything there's no

mufflers at all like the turbos are the mufflers the whole exhaust it's like

30 inches on each side kind of a mid-engine baby yeah and it's just um

very cool machines i don't know i would love to own one one day i don't know if

i'm that much of a a sadist to actually do that to

myself but um what a fucking cool thing i i've

always been a fan of how they look like i said i think i do like the 80s

wedge ones a little more uh mm-hmm yeah but i agree i'm scared

first off the interior is always fell apart on those really cars but the

maintenance issues electronic gremlins um you name it that stuff's going to be

there but i think for the price point it's it's such a good looking car like

it's so pretty like the the early i i want to

say only 80s one is probably what i'd aim for

to tell you the truth you know yeah i'd like to i like the earlier cars

like the series one even na they're wild because it's like i think the these late

run cars compared to the early run cars it's the same

bones underneath yep i think they gained like a thousand pounds over the run

it's wild right because those early cars are way nothing they're like 2,300 pounds

and you say it's also like safety let's be let's be brutally honest oh yeah i love it

safety equipment some guesstimation of structural rigidity and in door

intrusion beams and i don't know a freaking v8 with turbos on it

but yeah but yeah really cool i thought this ad was

just a killer ad i mean not no meat and potatoes but it doesn't compete with cars

it can it competes with fucking with straight

fucking Conan um yeah dude just but the v8 of

course twin turbo v8 just narrows it rate the fuck down

um yep yeah good job is it the good job sir thank you man is it the coolest twin

turbo v8 what what beats that oh boy i mean kind you know what maybe just because

it was cool i'm the only other stuff like f40

280 gto and f40 mm-hmm is that i don't know what we said rs6

certainly isn't cooler the rs6 is cool but yeah and then i mean they're so they're so popular now

like there's so many cars you know you've got like the hot v bmw stuff and the the whatever

the what's the the the fucking whatever the dark wing ct6 v is uh the ct yeah the ct the ct6 right

they made like 1200 and then scrapped the entire program it was a massive waste of money

um there's all the you know the bmw or the Mercedes Benz stuff that's in everything

all the mclaren's all that but like the bmw and Mercedes are both so it's just like

four fours right they're both four forward displacement v8s mm-hmm yeah uh ferrari 488

and and all that stuff california like they're cool but like mm-hmm it doesn't have

now it's the norm and the na v8 is the exotic thing but back when back in the 80s 90s to mid 2000s it was

the inverse of that it was like twin turbo v8 was this like mind-blowing thing let alone

weight-load us yeah turbos were exciting back then right like the the word turbo was

synonymous with it fast right like if now synonymous with like cafe restrictions and sure

lack of displacement yeah yeah good ad did good fun um

i feel like we kind of did project car progress kind of talking about the project cars that we've

been maybe progressing on um yeah or not i mean or not in in the case of me i've been i've been

pretty swamped you know haven't been back from vacation now for a little bit prepping for car

week and stuff and and and yeah but like how about how's about a you yeah you're about to go on vacation

yeah still yeah i'm gonna miss car week unfortunately but uh going back to the homeland uh i am making

progress on the tracker uh so after i did time about water pump uh the truck had been off for

like three months like hadn't started been on the left her uh so obviously you gotta fire it up

after you did time about water pump you wait till the day you expect to drive it and find out

something went horribly wrong so i started up perfect purse perfect started right up uh pretty

serious engine vibration that i don't remember motor mount wise and i looked and it has like

they're known to wear it out over time uh both that you could see the motor mounts moving i'm

like yeah this isn't good and i looked and the rubber is of course like age wasn't kind to it right

like deteriorated uh and it's kind of an interesting setup because a lot of motors have

high up mounts and low down mounts to kind of balance the load this the tracker literally has

two mounts yeah two two mounts just low so the engine weight is always on them so they kind of

wear out pretty quick it's a known thing uh but if they do start to go it was pretty good pretty

good vibration so uh did those it's not that hard just get a block of wood get your pallet

or get your pallet i've been in the warehouse too much today um get your get your jack under

there lift it up a little bit take that weight off pull the bolts out now the the thing is with these

that's absolutely crippling if you buy a tracker or sidekick from a rusty environment those things

those bolts are locked in there like there's no splash guard or anything so you're just

it's just taking the elements man so i've heard a lot of people like have to cut them out and do

that kind of fun shit and that's a nightmare right um but yeah there's like a revision to

the mounts i got the new the new version but super straight easy um to do that job if you

live in a rust free climate this is one of those jobs that's you know axed if you live in a rusty

environment but yeah super easy the whole car is too yeah exactly but especially like those kind of

bolts like suspension bolts and motor mount bolts that get exposed to rust fuck you can't get those

out but uh dude idols i i would say very similar to an ls 400 uh advertisement uh wine glasses and

whatnot that's exactly what i think of geo yeah jesus no one knows fantastic uh big difference though

man i can't stand in like what's funny is back in the day that stuff didn't bother me nearly as

much as it does now oh yeah when you come to a stop and you're fucking like every like your

steering wheel you look at the car behind you in the review mirror in the review mirrors is

i can't take it it's so pronounced the idle so uh big big change you know cheap as shit just

gotta do it big difference um yeah that's exciting i did fucking motor mounts dude that's

my pcb hey hey it's something it's we'll take it we'll take it maybe that uh this tracker is gonna

be too nice um it's too nice already oh well uh good better than too shitty yeah yeah for sure it

started off pretty good so fuck it man let's shut this thing down shut it down you've done

enough damage let's go home um we do we do appreciate you guys listening we do we do it for you

we do it for you we just talk we do for the kids we just be talking on the phone anyway about this

kind of shit so it's yeah it's fun doing this you love girl text message yeah just like talk about

geotrackers yeah yeah or a picture of a geotracker for sale at two in the morning but uh guys we do

appreciate it this is another pointless out of my own podcast podcast he said not podcast i like

podcast history of fish the contest the god passed uh it's a deeply celebrated ritual um

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like you you give it a five star review and then in the comments be like look i was afraid of

i put a one star review get flagged or something but these guys are assholes um probably on some

sort of list somewhere list um yeah listicle even um and so avoid them at all costs whatever

that would be great do all of that um maybe stalk us digitally via instagram where we never

post anything but you can send us messages and people do um and uh and those are always exciting

to to read um and see the awful um images um macro photos of parts of people's anatomy that

they send us um so do that or don't actually um and then uh yeah i know i'm if you want to follow

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what's up um that build series is getting some pretty dude i just want to be tracker and

Suzuki people sidekick people you're my kind of people oh you're my kind of people dude that was

that was the that was the love i was getting the rad wood in the sprint yep those kind of

people come out of the woodwork mm-hmm yeah oh yeah big big dabs i love that shit i love that

shit so but yeah we we do appreciate it guys and we will catch you in like i don't know

seven days ish seven days sounds about right but until then take care we love you happy trails to you

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