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Episode #215 - Automotive Grudge Match: Olds vs. Mercury

Episode #215 - Automotive Grudge Match: Olds vs. Mercury

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About this episode

Chadwick and Frank dive into a nostalgic and unconventional grudge match between defunct American brands Mercury and Oldsmobile. They compare quirky and rare models like the Mercury Capri XR2 and Oldsmobile Quad 442, highlighting their unique features and production rarity. The hosts also debate minivans, pitting the Mercury Villager against the Oldsmobile Silhouette, and discuss budget performance sedans such as the Olds Cutlass Calais International versus the Mercury Tracer LTS. The conversation blends humor, personal anecdotes, and deep appreciation for these overlooked vehicles, celebrating their quirks and legacy.

Technical Too Afraid to Ask
Concept

OEM

"There's no scientific like methodology to this. This is just us pitting two OEMs. Usually, I guess we could do models"

OEM means the company that made the car or its parts originally. It helps tell if something is from the factory or added later.

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Brand

Mercedes-Benz

"We've done some classics in Ford versus Chevy. We've done Subaru versus Mitsubishi, Mercedes versus BMW"

Mercedes-Benz is a fancy car company from Germany that makes luxury cars with lots of features.

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Brand

Subaru

"We've done some classics in Ford versus Chevy. We've done Subaru versus Mitsubishi, Mercedes versus BMW"

Subaru is a car company from Japan that makes cars with special engines and all-wheel drive to help with traction.

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Brand

Mitsubishi

"We've done some classics in Ford versus Chevy. We've done Subaru versus Mitsubishi, Mercedes versus BMW"

Mitsubishi is a Japanese car company that makes different types of cars, including sporty ones and SUVs.

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Ford Capri
Calreyn88 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Ford Capri

"...and obscure is how I title this one. The Mercury Capri XR2 versus the Olds Quad 442. I mean, they're wil..."
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Oldsmobile Quad 442
Bull-Doser (Public domain)
Car

Oldsmobile Quad 442

"...whereas the Olds Quad 442 is a front wheel drive, two door, four seater, pseudo luxury front wheel drive performance, you know, dual overhead cam quad four. So two very different cars... I can't remember seeing a quad four powered Oldsmobile, whether it be a Calais or whatever, right in the wild to tell you the truth."

The Oldsmobile Quad 442 is a special kind of sporty car made by Oldsmobile. It has a fancy engine with four cams and was made in small numbers, so it's pretty rare to see.

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Mercury Capri XR2
Greg Gjerdingen from Willmar, USA (CC BY 2.0)
Car

Mercury Capri XR2

"The Mercury Capri XR2 versus the Olds Quad 442. I mean, they're wildly different cars wildly, but wildly both cool... I see Mercury Capris of this era, which for the uninitiated is an Australian built Mazda engines, front wheel drive, 2C convertible, although frequently sold with a hard top in NA or XR2 turbocharged guys. Mazda as correct."

The Mercury Capri XR2 is a small sporty car that looks American but actually uses Japanese parts and engines. It sometimes has a turbocharger, which makes it faster.

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Term

turbocharged

"...frequently sold with a hard top in NA or XR2 turbocharged guys. Mazda as correct."

Turbocharged means the car's engine uses a special fan powered by exhaust to push more air in, making the engine stronger and faster.

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Term

dual overhead cam

"...pseudo luxury front wheel drive performance, you know, dual overhead cam quad four. So two very different cars."

Dual overhead cam means the engine has two parts that open and close the engine's valves, helping it run better and faster.

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Chevrolet Corvette
Alexander-93 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Chevrolet Corvette

"...ing soon. Come on. It's not like it got hit by a Corvette Stingray. The thing is in the 80s, there were ton..."
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Term

convertible

"There were lots of convertibles from every manufacturer had a had a convertible. Various sizes, two seaters, four seaters, whatever."

A convertible is a car where you can fold the roof down so you can drive with the top open and feel the wind.

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Tesla Semi
Korbitr (Public domain)
Car

Tesla Semi

"...us sizes, two seaters, four seaters, whatever. A semi luxury high revving twin cam manual domestic coup..."
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Mazda MX-5 / Miata
MercurySable99 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Mazda MX-5 / Miata

"...o say a couple of things. Yeah, it's an alt for a Miata, kind of. Front wheel drive, sure. We'll take it..."
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Mercury Villager
IFCAR (Public domain)
Car

Mercury Villager

"... in Silhouette. You going... Come on. It takes a villager. Yes, thank you. Mercury villager, which again i..."
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Concept

rebadge

"Mercury villager, which again is another re-badge. There's going to be a lot of re-badge battle probably why these OEMs don't exist anymore."

Rebadging means selling the same car but with a different brand's name and small changes. It's like putting a different label on the same product.

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Oldsmobile Cutlass
Larry D. Moore (CC BY 4.0)
Car

Oldsmobile Cutlass

"...t because you mentioned this one a lot. The Olds Cutlass Calais International, which you could get as a se..."
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Term

Quad 4 engine

"It loses... Well, it's funny because it's got the more luxurious accoutrements, but it still probably loses on NVH because of the quad 4. It's like an old single cylinder BSA or something. This whole thumper is just rattling around. Such a clean looking car, dude. And to pop the hood and see a quad 4 in that nice little thing."

The Quad 4 engine is a type of four-cylinder engine that makes a lot of power and sounds different from other engines. It was used in some small cars from Oldsmobile.

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Term

NVH

"I think I got to do the international series. It loses... Well, it's funny because it's got the more luxurious accoutrements, but it still probably loses on NVH because of the quad 4. It's like an old single cylinder BSA or something. This whole thumper is just rattling around."

NVH means how much noise and shaking you feel inside the car when you drive it. Less NVH means a quieter and smoother ride.

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Porsche 944
Lothar Spurzem (CC BY-SA 2.0 de)
Car

Porsche 944

"...e I know 924s, I think are 30. Oh, yeah. 924s and 944s. Yeah, they're like... Yeah. If that, right? The..."
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Porsche 924
Ermell (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Porsche 924

"...that era would be like 30,000 miles. Like I know 924s, I think are 30. Oh, yeah. 924s and 944s. Yeah, t..."
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Concept

Domestic car

"He and his friends were doing a cheap car like road trip challenge and it had to be a domestic for like under a certain price point because I sold it pretty cheap."

A domestic car is a car made by a company from the same country you live in. For example, in the U.S., cars made by Ford or Chevrolet are domestic cars.

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Dodge Avenger
Kieran Holdren (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Dodge Avenger

"...love, but not a great car. Not a great car. Dodge Avenger without a Mitsubishi power plant. Right. Yeah. S..."
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Dodge Shadow
Bull-Doser (Public domain)
Car

Dodge Shadow

"Or like a, I don't know, what else would be horrible? A Dodge Shadow, which I love, but not a great car. Not a great car."

The Dodge Shadow is a small car made by Dodge that some people like, but it wasn't the best car for reliability or comfort.

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Concept

Death note year

"And this is going to be a matchup of lineups. Okay. I present to you the final debt. So the, like the death note year for each manufacturer."

The death note year is the last year a car company made cars before they stopped making them.

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Oldsmobile Intrigue
SsmIntrigue (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Oldsmobile Intrigue

"...of these. I bet there's a, there's going to be an intrigue, right? Well, okay. So let's go, Oldsmobile. So ..."
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Pontiac Grand
MercurySable99 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Pontiac Grand

"... Coop Incident. They did. It's a Grand Am. It's a Pontiac Grand Am. The Oldsmobile. Something. Alero. Alero. Ale..."
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Oldsmobile Alero
BlueCrabRedCrab (CC0)
Car

Oldsmobile Alero

"It's a Grand Am. It's a Pontiac Grand Am. Something. Alero. Alero."

The Oldsmobile Alero is a small car made by Oldsmobile before the brand stopped making cars.

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Ford Four Model
Alexander-93 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Ford Four Model

"...vada. It was a three model. They dare called it a four model lineup because they broke the Alero into Coop In..."
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Oldsmobile Bravada
IFCAR (Public domain)
Car

Oldsmobile Bravada

"...No, Aurora was dead. Well, fuck them. Aurora. No Bravada. It was a three model. They dare called it a four..."
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Chevrolet Uplander
Bull-Doser (Public domain)
Car

Chevrolet Uplander

"...e's the 04 silhouette, which was a rebadge of the uplander. Or was it the Chevy Venture then in 04? It migh..."
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Ford Escape
Dinkun Chen (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Ford Escape

"... or Venture. The 04 Oldsmobile Bravada. And Ford Escape. Yeah, exactly. I'm sorry. Not Ford Escape. The G..."
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Mercury Mariner
IFCAR (Public domain)
Car

Mercury Mariner

".... So yes, the Mercury, Kevin Costner's Waterworld Mariner. Two others. Sable. Mercury Sable at the end, ri..."
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Mercury Sable
IFCAR (Public domain)
Car

Mercury Sable

"... Kevin Costner's Waterworld Mariner. Two others. Sable. Mercury Sable at the end, right? No Sable. We're..."
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Mercury Grand
IFCAR (Public domain)
Car

Mercury Grand

"... You're going to kick yourself for this one. The Mercury Grand Marquis. True. Yep. Panther platform. Yeah. So wo..."
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Mercury Marauder
Greg Gjerdingen from Willmar, USA (CC BY 2.0)
Car

Mercury Marauder

"... Yeah, it's a good one. It's a good one. Mercury Marauder was the best. It was, it was gone by 11, unfortun..."
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Mazda Tribute
IFCAR (Public domain)
Car

Mazda Tribute

"...u think anyone has ever actually been in a Mazda tribute, right? Like sitting in a parking lot and someone..."
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Mazda Cx50
Elise240SX (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Mazda Cx50

"It has to be, right? I think so. I don't know what else it would be. And probably the only one for a while, because like, they have a CX, what CX five, CX 50 hybrid now, which is actually just the powertrain from a, a RAV four hybrid."
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Chevrolet S10 Blazers
MercurySable99 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Chevrolet S10 Blazers

"Hey, I wish, I wish they had, you could get a manual. That's the only like strike against the the early ones. They're S 10 blazers. I wish GMC Jimmies for all your hardcore folks out there. I wish you could get a five speed stick in them, but still that three vortex, quite a motor."
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Ford Mondeo
Dinkun Chen (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Ford Mondeo

"...g Ford, it's probably some clutch kit for like a Ford Mondeo that they sold in droves in Europe. But not in th..."
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Mercury Cougar
Bull-Doser (Public domain)
Car

Mercury Cougar

"...ch one of these OEMs had one. You had the Mercury Cougar XR7, right? And then the Oldsmobile Custom Cruis..."
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Holden Caprice
RegionVisitor90 (CC0)
Car

Holden Caprice

"...n the Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser, which was their Caprice rebadged wagon. Both of these cars, rear wheel d..."
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Ford Explorer
Alexander-93 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Ford Explorer

"...t, well, I guess two in, cause you had obviously Explorer and kind of the Navajo, even though that was earl..."
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Ford Thunderbird
Greg Gjerdingen from Willmar, USA (CC BY 2.0)
Car

Ford Thunderbird

"...et that in a manual. Yeah, so they just took the Thunderbird SC. Yeah, but they just made it, you know, restyl..."
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Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser
dave_7 from Lethbridge, Canada (CC BY 2.0)
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Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser

"... a wagon. Yeah, the only problem I have about the Vista Cruiser is that that car only ever got the 305, so the f..."
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Buick Roadmaster
XoMEoX (CC BY 4.0)
Car

Buick Roadmaster

"...r got the 305, so the five liter V8. Whereas the Roadmaster, which didn't have the cool like glass panels in..."
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Chrysler New Yorker
PIERRE ANDRE LECLERCQ (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Chrysler New Yorker

"...and. That back flat glass kind of like a Chrysler New Yorker. It's got the absolute like fucking up and down ..."
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Mercury Monterey
MercurySable99 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Mercury Monterey

"...ink on the comments, but on like the the mercury Monterey and on like the mercury meteor and on the mercury..."
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Renault Wind
Dennis Elzinga (CC BY 2.0)
Car

Renault Wind

"...e breezeway because the concept was you roll the wind, all the windows down, you roll that down and you..."
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Chevrolet Corvair
Crisco 1492 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Chevrolet Corvair

"...d, like the old jet fire, which together with the Corvair were the first production turbocharged vehicles...."
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Mercury Comet
An-d (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Mercury Comet

"...now, like 442 or a Mercury Cyclone or the Mercury Comet or the fucking Olds AeroTech. Yes. Content for w..."
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Car

GMC Cyclone

"...968 Hearst Olds, you know, like 442 or a Mercury Cyclone or the Mercury Comet or the fucking Olds AeroTec..."
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Oldsmobile Curved Dash
Robert Hummerstone (CC BY 2.0)
Car

Oldsmobile Curved Dash

"...tever, 39. But pre-war, pre-war, you had like the curved dash old and drove like a tiller and like crazy shit ..."
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Rolls-Royce Ghost
ermell (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Rolls-Royce Ghost

"...is like an obscure Mitsubishi, like the, like the ghost of the Mitsubishi Cordia? Three door coupe too, ..."
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Volkswagen Golf
Vauxford (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Volkswagen Golf

"...here, trying to think if there's some Volkswagen golf, if there's some dumbass golf variant that someho..."
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Volkswagen Scirocco
Dinkun Chen (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Volkswagen Scirocco

"... This is not a G60 Corrado. I don't think it's a Scirocco. Fuck. Three door, quote unquote, coupe. This is ..."
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Mazda 626
Doctor Robert1966 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Mazda 626

"... but I'm just flunking out. I'm going to say 1983 Mazda 626 coupe. Flailing answer. It is not a Mazda, my fr..."
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BMW Z3
Calreyn88 (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

BMW Z3

"...e, but you could get a... Well, technically, the Z3 base came with a 1.9 as well. So BMW had that mot..."
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Lexus CT200h
Coolomon Tetris (also known as CoolT) (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Car

Lexus CT200h

"I also got new oil filters for my daily, the Lexus CT200H. Because the moment I finished changing the oil in my wife's car,"

The Lexus CT200h is a small car that uses both gas and electricity to save fuel and help the environment. It has nice features because it's a Lexus, a luxury car brand.

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Part

timing belt

"It's always fun to take your engine apart just to peek at your timing belt and then put it all back, right? Put the radiator and put the coolant back in."

The timing belt is like a rubber belt inside the engine that helps different parts move together so the engine runs smoothly and doesn't get damaged.

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radiator

"Put the radiator and put the coolant back in. It's still there."

The radiator is like a big metal cooler that helps keep the engine from getting too hot by cooling down the liquid inside.

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coolant

"Put the radiator and put the coolant back in. It's still there."

Coolant is a special liquid that flows inside the engine to keep it from getting too hot or freezing in cold weather.

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Part

timing light

"What's the last time you used the timing light? It's been a while probably. Been a long time. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's super fun. I love. Blinky blinky. Talk about a lost art, dude. That in 20 years, no one's going to know what the fuck a timing light is."

A timing light is a tool that helps mechanics see when the engine's spark happens, so they can make sure the engine runs well.

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Concept

tune up

"But let alone back in the day, we think you have like the big huge box on wheels tune up thing. We have like. The tune up."

A tune up is when you check and fix important parts of your car's engine to keep it running smoothly and avoid problems.

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Term

ignition timing

"So hey, man, timing belt's good. Ignition timing's good."

Ignition timing is when the spark happens inside the engine to make the fuel burn. It needs to be just right for the car to run well.

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Part

motor mounts

"Yeah, motor mounts. I love old diagnostic tests."

Motor mounts hold the engine in place and help stop it from shaking too much. If they wear out, the engine can move around and make the car feel rough.

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Term

check engine light

"And your check engine light that tells you everything is okay is still okay. Stayed off, stayed off."

The check engine light is a warning on your dashboard that tells you if something is wrong with your car's engine. If it's off, it means the car thinks everything is okay.

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Term

tack

"It's just, and I don't have a tack. So I can't tell you, except when I had the timing light on, right?"

A tack is a gauge that tells you how fast the engine is spinning. It helps you know if you're pushing the engine too hard or just right.

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