Episode #215 - Automotive Grudge Match: Olds vs. Mercury
About this episode
Chadwick and Frank dive into a nostalgic and unconventional grudge match between defunct American brands Mercury and Oldsmobile. They compare quirky and rare models like the Mercury Capri XR2 and Oldsmobile Quad 442, highlighting their unique features and production rarity. The hosts also debate minivans, pitting the Mercury Villager against the Oldsmobile Silhouette, and discuss budget performance sedans such as the Olds Cutlass Calais International versus the Mercury Tracer LTS. The conversation blends humor, personal anecdotes, and deep appreciation for these overlooked vehicles, celebrating their quirks and legacy.
In a grudge match that no decent person would ever ask for, we pit Oldsmobile against Mercury. Don't leave just yet, there are actually some pretty damn cool cars worth examining here. Get it on!
OEM
"There's no scientific like methodology to this. This is just us pitting two OEMs. Usually, I guess we could do models"
OEM means the company that made the car or its parts originally. It helps tell if something is from the factory or added later.
OEM stands for Original Equipment Manufacturer, referring to the company that originally manufactured a vehicle or its parts. In automotive discussions, it often distinguishes between factory-made components and aftermarket parts.
Mercedes-Benz
"We've done some classics in Ford versus Chevy. We've done Subaru versus Mitsubishi, Mercedes versus BMW"
Mercedes-Benz is a fancy car company from Germany that makes luxury cars with lots of features.
Mercedes-Benz is a German luxury automotive brand known for high-quality engineering, luxury vehicles, and advanced technology.
Subaru
"We've done some classics in Ford versus Chevy. We've done Subaru versus Mitsubishi, Mercedes versus BMW"
Subaru is a car company from Japan that makes cars with special engines and all-wheel drive to help with traction.
Subaru is a Japanese automaker known for its use of all-wheel drive and boxer engines in many of its vehicles, popular among enthusiasts for their performance and reliability.
Mitsubishi
"We've done some classics in Ford versus Chevy. We've done Subaru versus Mitsubishi, Mercedes versus BMW"
Mitsubishi is a Japanese car company that makes different types of cars, including sporty ones and SUVs.
Mitsubishi is a Japanese automotive manufacturer known for producing a range of vehicles including sporty models and SUVs. It has a history of rally racing involvement.
Ford Capri
"...and obscure is how I title this one. The Mercury Capri XR2 versus the Olds Quad 442. I mean, they're wil..."
Oldsmobile Quad 442
"...whereas the Olds Quad 442 is a front wheel drive, two door, four seater, pseudo luxury front wheel drive performance, you know, dual overhead cam quad four. So two very different cars... I can't remember seeing a quad four powered Oldsmobile, whether it be a Calais or whatever, right in the wild to tell you the truth."
The Oldsmobile Quad 442 is a special kind of sporty car made by Oldsmobile. It has a fancy engine with four cams and was made in small numbers, so it's pretty rare to see.
The Oldsmobile Quad 442 is a rare front-wheel-drive performance car from Oldsmobile featuring a dual overhead cam 'Quad Four' engine. It was positioned as a pseudo-luxury sporty coupe with limited production numbers, making it a unique and collectible vehicle.
Mercury Capri XR2
"The Mercury Capri XR2 versus the Olds Quad 442. I mean, they're wildly different cars wildly, but wildly both cool... I see Mercury Capris of this era, which for the uninitiated is an Australian built Mazda engines, front wheel drive, 2C convertible, although frequently sold with a hard top in NA or XR2 turbocharged guys. Mazda as correct."
The Mercury Capri XR2 is a small sporty car that looks American but actually uses Japanese parts and engines. It sometimes has a turbocharger, which makes it faster.
The Mercury Capri XR2 is a sporty compact car sold by Mercury, notable for being based on a Mazda platform and often equipped with a turbocharged engine. It was marketed in the US as a domestic brand but featured Japanese engineering and powertrains, making it a unique example of badge engineering.
turbocharged
"...frequently sold with a hard top in NA or XR2 turbocharged guys. Mazda as correct."
Turbocharged means the car's engine uses a special fan powered by exhaust to push more air in, making the engine stronger and faster.
Turbocharging is a method of forced induction that uses a turbine driven by exhaust gases to compress the intake air, increasing engine power output without increasing engine size. It is commonly used to boost performance in smaller engines.
dual overhead cam
"...pseudo luxury front wheel drive performance, you know, dual overhead cam quad four. So two very different cars."
Dual overhead cam means the engine has two parts that open and close the engine's valves, helping it run better and faster.
Dual overhead cam (DOHC) refers to an engine design with two camshafts located above the cylinders, allowing for better valve control and higher engine efficiency and performance compared to single cam designs.
Chevrolet Corvette
"...ing soon. Come on. It's not like it got hit by a Corvette Stingray. The thing is in the 80s, there were ton..."
convertible
"There were lots of convertibles from every manufacturer had a had a convertible. Various sizes, two seaters, four seaters, whatever."
A convertible is a car where you can fold the roof down so you can drive with the top open and feel the wind.
A convertible is a car with a roof structure that can be retracted or removed, allowing open-air driving.
Tesla Semi
"...us sizes, two seaters, four seaters, whatever. A semi luxury high revving twin cam manual domestic coup..."
Mazda MX-5 / Miata
"...o say a couple of things. Yeah, it's an alt for a Miata, kind of. Front wheel drive, sure. We'll take it..."
Mercury Villager
"... in Silhouette. You going... Come on. It takes a villager. Yes, thank you. Mercury villager, which again i..."
rebadge
"Mercury villager, which again is another re-badge. There's going to be a lot of re-badge battle probably why these OEMs don't exist anymore."
Rebadging means selling the same car but with a different brand's name and small changes. It's like putting a different label on the same product.
Rebadging is the practice where a car manufacturer sells a vehicle made by another company under its own brand name, often with minor cosmetic changes. This is common among automakers to save development costs and expand product offerings.
Oldsmobile Cutlass
"...t because you mentioned this one a lot. The Olds Cutlass Calais International, which you could get as a se..."
Quad 4 engine
"It loses... Well, it's funny because it's got the more luxurious accoutrements, but it still probably loses on NVH because of the quad 4. It's like an old single cylinder BSA or something. This whole thumper is just rattling around. Such a clean looking car, dude. And to pop the hood and see a quad 4 in that nice little thing."
The Quad 4 engine is a type of four-cylinder engine that makes a lot of power and sounds different from other engines. It was used in some small cars from Oldsmobile.
The Quad 4 engine is a high-revving four-cylinder engine produced by General Motors, known for its power output and distinctive noise. It was used in several compact cars including the Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais International Series.
NVH
"I think I got to do the international series. It loses... Well, it's funny because it's got the more luxurious accoutrements, but it still probably loses on NVH because of the quad 4. It's like an old single cylinder BSA or something. This whole thumper is just rattling around."
NVH means how much noise and shaking you feel inside the car when you drive it. Less NVH means a quieter and smoother ride.
NVH stands for Noise, Vibration, and Harshness, which are factors that affect the comfort and refinement of a vehicle. High NVH means more engine noise and vibrations are felt inside the cabin.
Porsche 944
"...e I know 924s, I think are 30. Oh, yeah. 924s and 944s. Yeah, they're like... Yeah. If that, right? The..."
Porsche 924
"...that era would be like 30,000 miles. Like I know 924s, I think are 30. Oh, yeah. 924s and 944s. Yeah, t..."
Domestic car
"He and his friends were doing a cheap car like road trip challenge and it had to be a domestic for like under a certain price point because I sold it pretty cheap."
A domestic car is a car made by a company from the same country you live in. For example, in the U.S., cars made by Ford or Chevrolet are domestic cars.
A domestic car refers to a vehicle manufactured by a company based in the same country where it is sold, often used in the U.S. to mean American-made cars like Ford, Chevrolet, or Dodge.
Dodge Avenger
"...love, but not a great car. Not a great car. Dodge Avenger without a Mitsubishi power plant. Right. Yeah. S..."
Dodge Shadow
"Or like a, I don't know, what else would be horrible? A Dodge Shadow, which I love, but not a great car. Not a great car."
The Dodge Shadow is a small car made by Dodge that some people like, but it wasn't the best car for reliability or comfort.
The Dodge Shadow was a compact car produced by Dodge in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It is appreciated by enthusiasts but is generally considered a less refined or less reliable vehicle compared to others in its class.
Death note year
"And this is going to be a matchup of lineups. Okay. I present to you the final debt. So the, like the death note year for each manufacturer."
The death note year is the last year a car company made cars before they stopped making them.
The 'death note year' refers to the final model year a car manufacturer or brand produced vehicles before discontinuing the brand or lineup.
Oldsmobile Intrigue
"...of these. I bet there's a, there's going to be an intrigue, right? Well, okay. So let's go, Oldsmobile. So ..."
Pontiac Grand
"... Coop Incident. They did. It's a Grand Am. It's a Pontiac Grand Am. The Oldsmobile. Something. Alero. Alero. Ale..."
Oldsmobile Alero
"It's a Grand Am. It's a Pontiac Grand Am. Something. Alero. Alero."
The Oldsmobile Alero is a small car made by Oldsmobile before the brand stopped making cars.
The Oldsmobile Alero was a compact car produced by Oldsmobile in the late 1990s and early 2000s, often considered the brand's last compact model before discontinuation.
Ford Four Model
"...vada. It was a three model. They dare called it a four model lineup because they broke the Alero into Coop In..."
Oldsmobile Bravada
"...No, Aurora was dead. Well, fuck them. Aurora. No Bravada. It was a three model. They dare called it a four..."
Chevrolet Uplander
"...e's the 04 silhouette, which was a rebadge of the uplander. Or was it the Chevy Venture then in 04? It migh..."
Ford Escape
"... or Venture. The 04 Oldsmobile Bravada. And Ford Escape. Yeah, exactly. I'm sorry. Not Ford Escape. The G..."
Mercury Mariner
".... So yes, the Mercury, Kevin Costner's Waterworld Mariner. Two others. Sable. Mercury Sable at the end, ri..."
Mercury Sable
"... Kevin Costner's Waterworld Mariner. Two others. Sable. Mercury Sable at the end, right? No Sable. We're..."
Mercury Grand
"... You're going to kick yourself for this one. The Mercury Grand Marquis. True. Yep. Panther platform. Yeah. So wo..."
Mercury Marauder
"... Yeah, it's a good one. It's a good one. Mercury Marauder was the best. It was, it was gone by 11, unfortun..."
Mazda Tribute
"...u think anyone has ever actually been in a Mazda tribute, right? Like sitting in a parking lot and someone..."
Mazda Cx50
"It has to be, right? I think so. I don't know what else it would be. And probably the only one for a while, because like, they have a CX, what CX five, CX 50 hybrid now, which is actually just the powertrain from a, a RAV four hybrid."
Chevrolet S10 Blazers
"Hey, I wish, I wish they had, you could get a manual. That's the only like strike against the the early ones. They're S 10 blazers. I wish GMC Jimmies for all your hardcore folks out there. I wish you could get a five speed stick in them, but still that three vortex, quite a motor."
Ford Mondeo
"...g Ford, it's probably some clutch kit for like a Ford Mondeo that they sold in droves in Europe. But not in th..."
Mercury Cougar
"...ch one of these OEMs had one. You had the Mercury Cougar XR7, right? And then the Oldsmobile Custom Cruis..."
Holden Caprice
"...n the Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser, which was their Caprice rebadged wagon. Both of these cars, rear wheel d..."
Ford Explorer
"...t, well, I guess two in, cause you had obviously Explorer and kind of the Navajo, even though that was earl..."
Ford Thunderbird
"...et that in a manual. Yeah, so they just took the Thunderbird SC. Yeah, but they just made it, you know, restyl..."
Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser
"... a wagon. Yeah, the only problem I have about the Vista Cruiser is that that car only ever got the 305, so the f..."
Buick Roadmaster
"...r got the 305, so the five liter V8. Whereas the Roadmaster, which didn't have the cool like glass panels in..."
Chrysler New Yorker
"...and. That back flat glass kind of like a Chrysler New Yorker. It's got the absolute like fucking up and down ..."
Mercury Monterey
"...ink on the comments, but on like the the mercury Monterey and on like the mercury meteor and on the mercury..."
Renault Wind
"...e breezeway because the concept was you roll the wind, all the windows down, you roll that down and you..."
Chevrolet Corvair
"...d, like the old jet fire, which together with the Corvair were the first production turbocharged vehicles...."
Mercury Comet
"...now, like 442 or a Mercury Cyclone or the Mercury Comet or the fucking Olds AeroTech. Yes. Content for w..."
GMC Cyclone
"...968 Hearst Olds, you know, like 442 or a Mercury Cyclone or the Mercury Comet or the fucking Olds AeroTec..."
Oldsmobile Curved Dash
"...tever, 39. But pre-war, pre-war, you had like the curved dash old and drove like a tiller and like crazy shit ..."
Rolls-Royce Ghost
"...is like an obscure Mitsubishi, like the, like the ghost of the Mitsubishi Cordia? Three door coupe too, ..."
Volkswagen Golf
"...here, trying to think if there's some Volkswagen golf, if there's some dumbass golf variant that someho..."
Volkswagen Scirocco
"... This is not a G60 Corrado. I don't think it's a Scirocco. Fuck. Three door, quote unquote, coupe. This is ..."
Lexus CT200h
"I also got new oil filters for my daily, the Lexus CT200H. Because the moment I finished changing the oil in my wife's car,"
The Lexus CT200h is a small car that uses both gas and electricity to save fuel and help the environment. It has nice features because it's a Lexus, a luxury car brand.
The Lexus CT200h is a compact hybrid hatchback combining a gasoline engine with electric motors for improved fuel efficiency and lower emissions. It is known for its luxury features and hybrid technology.
timing belt
"It's always fun to take your engine apart just to peek at your timing belt and then put it all back, right? Put the radiator and put the coolant back in."
The timing belt is like a rubber belt inside the engine that helps different parts move together so the engine runs smoothly and doesn't get damaged.
A timing belt is a crucial engine component that synchronizes the rotation of the crankshaft and camshaft, ensuring the engine's valves open and close at the right times during each cylinder's intake and exhaust strokes.
radiator
"Put the radiator and put the coolant back in. It's still there."
The radiator is like a big metal cooler that helps keep the engine from getting too hot by cooling down the liquid inside.
The radiator is part of the vehicle's cooling system that helps dissipate heat from the engine coolant to keep the engine from overheating.
coolant
"Put the radiator and put the coolant back in. It's still there."
Coolant is a special liquid that flows inside the engine to keep it from getting too hot or freezing in cold weather.
Coolant is a liquid mixture, usually of water and antifreeze, that circulates through the engine and radiator to absorb and dissipate heat, preventing the engine from overheating or freezing.
timing light
"What's the last time you used the timing light? It's been a while probably. Been a long time. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's super fun. I love. Blinky blinky. Talk about a lost art, dude. That in 20 years, no one's going to know what the fuck a timing light is."
A timing light is a tool that helps mechanics see when the engine's spark happens, so they can make sure the engine runs well.
A timing light is a diagnostic tool used to check and adjust the ignition timing of an engine, ensuring the spark plug fires at the correct moment for optimal engine performance.
tune up
"But let alone back in the day, we think you have like the big huge box on wheels tune up thing. We have like. The tune up."
A tune up is when you check and fix important parts of your car's engine to keep it running smoothly and avoid problems.
A tune up is routine maintenance on a vehicle's engine, typically involving checking and replacing parts like spark plugs, ignition timing, and filters to ensure the engine runs efficiently.
ignition timing
"So hey, man, timing belt's good. Ignition timing's good."
Ignition timing is when the spark happens inside the engine to make the fuel burn. It needs to be just right for the car to run well.
Ignition timing refers to the precise moment the spark plug fires in the combustion cycle, which affects engine performance and efficiency. Proper ignition timing is essential for smooth running.
motor mounts
"Yeah, motor mounts. I love old diagnostic tests."
Motor mounts hold the engine in place and help stop it from shaking too much. If they wear out, the engine can move around and make the car feel rough.
Motor mounts are components that secure the engine to the vehicle's frame and absorb vibrations. Worn mounts can cause excessive engine movement and vibration.
check engine light
"And your check engine light that tells you everything is okay is still okay. Stayed off, stayed off."
The check engine light is a warning on your dashboard that tells you if something is wrong with your car's engine. If it's off, it means the car thinks everything is okay.
The check engine light is a dashboard indicator that alerts the driver to engine or emissions system issues. A light that stays off usually means no detected faults.
tack
"It's just, and I don't have a tack. So I can't tell you, except when I had the timing light on, right?"
A tack is a gauge that tells you how fast the engine is spinning. It helps you know if you're pushing the engine too hard or just right.
A tack, short for tachometer, is an instrument that shows the engine's RPM (revolutions per minute), helping the driver monitor engine speed.
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