EV Cayman Killed, Magnus Walker Auctions Everything & Singer Goes Wide Body Convertible

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So Porsche had a board meeting with all the higher-ups a few days ago.

Suspectedly to kill the EV Cayman and Boxter completely, like, off the books.

Yeah, you invited them to a meeting?

No, I didn't make that one.

Actually, I put a maybe on it.

No, you're tentative.

I had something going on.

But what further supports this is they've taken off their configurator.

So you can't even go in and play with it anymore.

They've taken that off of there.

So all signs point to that's going to die, which is a good thing.

I mean, there's two ways to look at this, right?

Like, a lot of money's been spent.

Like, we need to go ahead and finish this project and move forward with it.

I think it would just lead to further loss of money, further bad press,

and it also would put a strain on their dealer network for them to try to push that car.

Like, initially, everybody would have excitement on that.

But I think it would die fast.

I don't know.

I mean, I don't think it needs to really, they just need to put a pin in.

I don't know why it has to be done terms.

I think it's just not time for it yet.

No, it's not.

Everybody was too quick, everybody.

Like, it's not just them.

Every manufacturer was way too fast.

And everybody's recording.

I mean, I'm sure no one's fact-checking it, but throwing really, really big numbers out

and open press about, you know, like Volvo's losing 2.23 billion dollars.

You know, Solantis is losing 36 billion dollars and all these people, you know, yeah, I get it.

It's interesting with those losses, like, there still has to be some technology gain.

So they're just kind of being a, they're globalizing it by saying that number.

But there has to have been some, some gain from that.

It's not a total loss.

So I think it's kind of like, it's a, yeah.

Well, it's also like an inflated number, right?

Like it's so it's, you can report that and maybe take your losses and try to get something back from it.

That's one big B.

Yeah.

You know, they're looking at it's like, oh, we don't have a product.

And it's like, okay, well, R&Ds cost money no matter what you do.

So there's probably a lot of expense that a lot of auto manufacturers spend every year that they don't report as a loss.

But it's probably within their budget.

This was way outside of it because they thought they were going to come to market with something.

So I get that.

But I mean,

Yeah, I mean, what?

But it's like having no car and then having to go to the whiteboard and go, what does this look like?

Well, this is a proper kill because what would happen here is if they did, this car would be a failure to launch.

And then people would bitch and moan and they would even have more brand degradation.

And people will be like, what the hell is Porsche doing?

They were like on top of the world like three years ago and now like, why did they come through with this?

So I think what they're going to do is probably a lot of the architecture and design from it.

They're going to use some of that obviously.

And I'm talking more of not like the engineering of the motor and all that like that stuff because those are not plug and play.

That's not happening.

I think that's what the whole hang up is here.

Like they thought it would be a lot easier to just like, all right, we're going to stick an engine in here where this would be at.

And I think that's they're losing even more money trying to do that as opposed to just scrapping the whole thing and saying, OK, cool.

We want this silhouette.

We already know what this text is going to look like on the outside.

We know what the tech and the inside is going to look like.

It's probably going to have the same architecture is pretty much their entire lineup, meaning like the 992s.

It's going to have that same stuff.

It's like, all right, cool.

Let's we got a four liter.

Let's put some particular stuff on this so it'll pass admissions and like get it back in these cars and get these things rolling as quickly as possible.

So you think like the people posting like the last four hours is kind of premature.

Seeing so many posts about that last one.

I'm like, I mean, to be fair, Porsche has done this before, right?

Like in it's not it's not the consumers fault.

And I don't necessarily it's anyone's particular fault.

If you really have to blame somebody, I would say probably government and EPA people to blame for this because the big manufacturers are just trying to abide by those laws because a certain percentage of your fleet has to be EV or you have to meet a mission.

And they were so strict, right?

And then everybody pulled the reins back on all that and pulled the timeline back on all that because they realized how much money was being lost across the board for everyone.

And there's like this is not going to work.

So do you think it's time for like a total name and everything else for that for that line?

Or do you think that's going to waste a time to I think they're scrambling so badly right now.

I think we're going to see a car faster than a lot of people think.

And I think there may be some design Q changes.

There's not going to be some radical changes.

And I think there's going to be some a lot of upset people because basically the car took a break.

I think it'll look different, but I think it'll function the same.

And what I mean by that is I think we'll see a motor that we've already seen.

We're not going to see new architecture in the motor.

They are like, we already have this stuff.

You know, it's it's not like they stopped selling this thing 10 years ago.

It's like been what a year and a half since they cut production on it really.

And they were just fulfilling orders still really.

So I wouldn't be surprised if we just saw them put the four liter back in the higher level models.

I don't I think the bigger question is, is do they go back to sticking the flat four and a turbo back in flat or the hybrid turbo?

I don't even know if they're going to mess with that, to be honest with you.

Hybrid turbo is everywhere else.

Why not why not toss in there?

I mean, it makes sense.

Yeah, but I just don't know.

I think they're in a rush right now.

And I think if that other car, if the flat four and if they just got to stick another like catalytic converter on it to get it to pass, I think that's what will happen.

But what if they don't?

What if they do stick with their other like the way they launch things and just go high model up first?

Yeah, they could.

I mean, the architecture is there already.

I mean, I guess they could really they got to just figure out how they got to build the back half of the car basically.

We've got three quarters here, boys.

Yeah, because all they got to do is stick that motor in there, right?

And they get it to be able to breathe differently than the 911 and then they should be good to go.

Twin turbo motor like all the other 911s, right?

I mean, shit, really, like they don't need to do any.

Why don't they just go three liter?

Yeah.

Small turbos like the 99 they can do is this basically take the 991.2 base motor, the three liter with the twin turbo stick that on there.

Figure out what you just said, how to make those turbos electric.

So there's no lag and just stick and just don't, you know, it's like as bad as it sounds.

I mean, if you don't know anything about engineering, this is a pretty easy fix because you can your ask and be the base model or not necessarily the base model.

It's not just tuning software.

Then, you know, the GTS gets a tune and it gets a 50 horsepower bump.

I mean, if and that's not something new, that's already happening in the 99 that was happening in the 991.2.

So the base was the same engine.

The maps just changed and the turbo sizes changed, you know, as you moved up the line, the turbos got bigger.

But the core of the engine was still the same.

So like that's easy.

That's bolt on.

I got sine ducts.

Yeah.

I already have Venn ducts for the GT4.

So just figure out which one.

So I wouldn't be surprised if they went that route.

It would be the easiest route.

I think the only only hang up on that route would be is is it would it be emissions compliant?

Like would that you would need as much power?

I would imagine because you got less weight, right?

So maybe maybe you could get away with power numbers being different.

Yeah, it could be a little less using less.

So you're losing a little bit less boost to even like, I don't know.

I mean, that's for them to figure out.

But I mean, that's they do that shit for a living.

And like we pretty much squared that up in like two and a half minutes.

So like if we sit around and get paid for this shit every day, I guarantee this is already they already have a game plan.

It's already in place.

It's not like they have to come up with it.

That's what they do.

The difference is they just need basically the King, King Dingling to say, OK, we killed this project.

That's green lighted go.

Basically, that's what's going to happen here.

Like that's from everybody that I've talked to and everything I've understand and read.

That's already happened.

We just don't know what they've green lighted yet because that's inside baseball.

They haven't talked about that yet.

That will be released eventually.

But I think they don't want to be too premature with it because when you when you talk about, OK, we've switched gears.

We're going to go to this.

Then the next question from every journalist is when when are we going to see this car?

And then consumers don't say, yeah, so consumers are next.

When can I place an order for that car?

When can this happen?

So they need to be very like, I think that's why they're being very cautious with their timeline.

So they're going to come out and say, yeah, we killed the EV.

The next one's coming soon.

Stay tuned.

And also put him in a good situation to get some momentum, like to have some positive like release stuff, right?

Like to have a launch where people are more excited about, like another Nurburgring time where people are just kind of like cool.

And people will be excited.

You know, there's a cult following behind those cars.

People like that open air like vibe and people want the mid-engine car.

Like that car has to always live in the lineup personally.

I think that car.

We talked about this on other episodes.

I don't want to harp on it, but you don't have an entry level car, dude.

So they use that motor out of thought, too.

They use the motor and they have it.

It's open air like that.

They could throw on the old K&M livery with the twin turbo one, like the blue and yellow stripes.

I mean, relifts in those turbo things.

I think they should just basically take the 991.2 motor and stick it in that car.

I mean, it's shown reliability and tuneability.

You put that in.

I mean, if you don't, if you don't even know.

32JZ.

Yeah.

If you don't know that even those modern chassis, even the most recent, like flat four turbo

Boxster S's, they were coming in at under 3,000 pounds.

They were like 2,995.

Yes, just barely, but they were.

So, I mean, it's pretty amazing in this day and age, you can still make a 3,000 pound car

and put in and be safe and have all the safety features.

Like if they can get close to that number, even if they have to add only 100 extra pounds

for whatever safety it's like.

So, you're basically looking at 3,100 and you have a car.

It's got like 400 horsepower out the box on low boost.

You know, all the tuner people are going to get a hold of that thing.

So, now instead of running a 2.5 liter flat four, it's running a 3 liter flat six twin turbo.

I mean, we've seen it.

It's no secret.

A million people have watched YouTube on those base 911s that are with an intercooler

upgrade, a tune and like clearing up that exhaust.

Like you're deep into the fives.

So, it's like you put a 500 horsepower or something like, you know, after you tune it

like into that 3,000 pound car.

I mean, talking about like whipping people's ass with that thing in the mountains.

I mean, it probably could whip it, whips people's ass out of the box.

Yeah.

I mean, what on our rally that I forget that guy's.

Josh's Vandergrub's.

Yeah.

His just recently, but his buddy had a Miami blue one two years ago and that was a two

and a half liter.

That was just an S with a tune on it.

Did you hear that?

Yeah.

What was that?

I don't know.

Sounded awful.

Like the roof was caving in.

I did.

Okay.

Something dramatic didn't happen.

Something bad happened outside.

We're going to move on.

The house hasn't fallen apart yet.

So, but anyways, I think a lot of people will be a lot more excited about that personally,

other than just like the EV, you know, hard chargers.

And I think this will bring a lot of enthusiasm back.

Yes, we'll have pissed a lot of people off who thought they were buying the last of the

last.

Yeah.

But that's happened before with Porsche.

But it's still going to be like the last of that year of that, you know, time and then

maybe they do something different.

Maybe there's a six speed instead of a seven speed transmission, you know, this.

I mean, we just went through this not too long ago with them with GT products.

Right.

Like we're like, oh, the 911 R is going to be the last manual GT product ever made.

That's why I went through the roof.

Right.

And then what, six months later, touring came out.

That was manual and people lost their minds.

Like, I paid what for this car?

You cost me so much money.

And then the ST and then the ST.

And now it's manual.

They deal.

So this has happened before.

Like I think what a lot of people need to realize is none of it.

I don't think is malicious intent.

I don't think they're trying to manipulate customers.

I think they're always trying to be better.

Yeah.

And once they figure out, oh, that is better.

Let's continue.

They're just like any other business.

Like they're not perfect.

They make mistakes.

And and I think what the EV situation is, I think if of all the brands.

If the government wasn't forcing their hand.

I don't even think they would have ever entertained making an EV at all.

Maybe outside of the Tycon.

I think for just an exercise of making one.

Like if they weren't required to make one and they were like, look,

you can't sell cars unless you make these.

I don't even think they would be going.

They wouldn't even been talking about it.

Really.

We still be making air cooled.

Yeah.

Right.

Like or something like all performance level.

Right.

Because they know they know people want that.

They don't want to make like they don't want to make shit that people don't want.

Um, so that's bad for them.

That's bad for dealerships.

That's bad.

Just bad for everybody.

So I'm happy that they're not going to see this thing through just for the sake

of seeing it through to be like, well, we spent all this money on this.

We did all this because we know there's plenty of auto manufacturers that do do

that.

They're like, we're 90% there.

We're launching this damn thing.

And they're like, I'm telling you, this is a mistake.

Don't do this.

And they launch it.

And then they sit on lots and then it's kind of like, what do we do with this?

Because that even looks.

Now you've got something that you've taken all the way.

Yes, you're even it didn't cost you that much more, but you're costing your dealerships.

You're costing these people.

You got a space.

Yeah.

They're like, we can't sell this thing, dude.

So now people are like, and then they're and then on top of that, it brings up, um,

oh, speculation, right?

Especially like, you're not doing well.

Yeah.

Like, well, what's going on?

Nobody wants them.

Oh, I.

Oh yeah, they're stupid.

But I can't believe they did this.

Yeah.

So they're not launching that, you know, may seem controversial, but actually probably

going to be a great move in the long run to just be like, look, cool.

And honestly, they can, like you said, put a pin in that thing.

They never released what that thing was really going to look like.

They never really reached numbers.

So like that's smart where you keep all that stuff in house.

So like one the time does come, you can just piggyback on the existing technology that

you already spent the money on.

Yeah.

You got no timeline.

And then that thing, and then that thing can be spun up probably real fast.

They're like, look, all the blueprints, all this stuff is still right here.

It's all ready to go.

And this probably gives them another, another five years to be honest, like another, another,

at least another cycle, five, maybe 10 years to.

Yeah.

And the architecture, probably that for that car can stay there.

And all they have to do is change the battery cells.

They all, and that'll change with technology, the motors will change and like it'll probably

be ready to go faster when it is the right time in the world for that car, as opposed

to be like, all right, we'd start this all over again.

Well, I can't imagine it's that far away from that came in electric race car that they made.

Yeah.

It's probably pretty close to it.

It just can't be that far from that architecture.

I mean, that's something they made super, you know, soon.

Yeah.

There's no series for that.

There's no, no real reason.

And Porsche has done this a lot of stuff.

Like we've, we've, we've covered stuff like this on the show where they, so many people

that complain to be, you know, Porsche enthusiasts have no idea.

I mean, that 911 or hybrid, that was 997 generation.

Yeah.

Like people didn't even know that car existed.

And it's like, dude, that was a hybrid race.

That's like a hybrid race car, dude.

You're like, what?

I didn't know that happened.

You're like, they're always doing stuff like that.

They're always having, they're always testing stuff.

I mean, you know, race cars hybrid right now, and it has been for a while.

It's, you know, like even the older ones.

Our spiders started it.

Yeah.

So good, good on that, you know, it'll be interesting to see.

I'm calling, I'm calling a three liter twin turbo, small twin turbos going in that car

is what I'm thinking.

I think if they don't do that, they'll at least be a three, at least be a six.

I don't think that any of those are going to be NAs.

Yeah.

I think it's just, I think the NAs.

I think if they, I think if they have an N.A., it'll be the four RS still.

Like I still think they'll make that car.

I still think they'll still make the GT four.

I think those two cars will be the N.A. cars.

I think the rest of the cars in that lineup, S, GTS, you know, in a base, I think they'll

all be turbo cars, honestly.

You know, and maybe, maybe you make the step difference, meaning the base one is the two

and a half liter flat four.

Yeah.

Still turbo.

Yeah.

Then S becomes a three liter.

So like people will step up.

So basically you're kind of forcing people's hand.

3944 of you.

Yeah.

But at the same time, you still got to have that entry level car, right?

So like the young newcomers who want to still get into Porsche but don't want to spend 300,000

dollars on the gate.

But they need to make the pricing reflect that too.

I agree.

It needs to be like, maybe they do have a, be another win for them is to like get that

pricing down there.

Yeah.

Like we talked about it before, you know, they, they made a Cayman T, but it was a joke.

It's not really a stripper model.

Like really make a stripper model, make a, make a base level car, maybe, you know, manual

and PDK car, two and a half liter turbo Cayman and price it at like 65 grand.

Start and point it towards the Corvette.

You think, you think you're not even ready for the night.

Cloth, cloth, you know, cloth seats, no leather, anything, like no, you know, no AC seats,

no ventilated seats, excuse me, like heated, any of that stuff, no PCM, none of that stuff.

Like those things will fly off the shelf.

They'll fly off the shelf just because of the tunability on that to begin with being mid-engine.

Like them going the other way and just trying to scale up, like you're just isolating people.

You're like, you're leaving people out.

Like you're, the whole goal is to keep younger people coming in.

If there's younger people can't come in because the starting point starts at 140, 150 to get into a sports car.

Like that's just not real.

That's not realistic.

Kind of like take the S2000 and figure it out.

Yeah.

Like, I mean, they have all the tools.

Like it's, it's okay to, I think you should have an entry level car like as a brand.

It doesn't matter if they're trying to be, you know, the next freaking Bugatti or whatever, you're not, you're not that.

Like you make too many cars, you'll never be that.

Like if you want to be that, you just need to halt production now.

Like we're just done making cars.

Like that's how you become Bugatti.

Like we made 10 Chirons in six months.

That's how you become Bugatti.

Like Porsche is way scaled up to that.

Like they make way too many cars to ever be in that.

Like they sell way more cars than Lamborghini and Ferrari.

Like they're never going to be those brands.

And I don't think that's a bad thing.

No.

It's not what they wanted to be in the first place.

Well, you can't sell the lineup of cars you sell.

And you can't, for the way I look at it is you can't live in both areas like as a manufacturer and a product seller.

Like you can, you can have high scale, which they already do, which they do well.

Like all of their GT cars, all of their specialty cars always sell out.

There's always a waiting list for it.

That's the goal.

That's what's happening.

That's great.

Still waiting list for a car they don't even know exists.

And to support all those cars, their formula was always like, we need to sell Panameras.

We need to sell Cayans.

We need to sell this to support those departments because we sell so few of those cars.

Now they're trying to be upscale everything.

Like that doesn't work because now you don't have enough people frequenting your dealership.

You don't have enough people coming in and out of your brand to scale up to go buy $500,000, $600,000 GT3 RSs.

Because now you have people that are like, oh, you want me to spend 200 on a Cayan?

Pack sand, dude.

Like I'm not interested.

And now those cars that used to be your foundation and building blocks, people don't want those cars because they cost so much.

And that whole formula of, oh, well, you need to buy this to be able to get that.

I feel like the more the price goes up, the less that formula works.

You could get away with that when you had $70,000, $80,000 Cayans and $60,000 McCons where they're like, hey, you haven't bought enough cars with us.

And it's like, OK, cool.

What do I need to do?

But when you're like, hey, you need to buy like three or four Cayans at $200,000 to pop and then what?

Lose $70,000 on each one of them.

And then I can pay ADM on a three RS.

I was going to say, and you need to pay this ADM thing.

Because people are just, they've gotten to the point where they just have fatigue on it, man.

It's like, dude, what?

What do you want me to, what?

Like I'm buying a Cayan because I want one.

You know, it's just, I don't know.

I think they need to scale most of all of those cars that are their building blocks down some to be honest with you.

At least the base model of them all, like they did that base model on all of those, I think needs to go down a dramatic amount.

Because I think they need to get back to where they were back to their basics of getting people in the door.

Getting people interested because how many people have we met over time that end up getting an entry level car?

And they're like, man, I love this car so much.

He's like, man, I didn't know what I was missing because they come from another brand or they never had a Porsche before.

And then they go, well, you know, I'm going to drive this for a little bit and then I'm going to upgrade.

Like I think, yeah, I think every person, new person we've ever met that first gets introduced to the brand is that way.

You know, what we haven't been hearing a lot of is that I haven't heard that in a while.

Yeah, I'm going to drive it for a bit.

Yeah, I heard that with 991 a lot.

I haven't heard anybody say that with 992.

I haven't heard anybody say like, oh, I bought a base 992.

It's like, I love the car so much.

I'm going to my next car is I'm going to go get like a GT3.

Like I haven't heard anybody say that because the Delta is so big.

They're just like, I'm just going to drive this, tune it and live with it.

Right.

And not that that's a bad car, but it just the excitement I feel like with like when people with 991s and they were getting them

and not that the 991s are beautiful cars are great.

I love 991s.

Like I'm I'm looking at right now.

At least I know.

Maybe not.

I'm not really sharing that.

I don't want to like sell that car because they sell themselves.

They don't need me to sell it.

Right.

Buy all of them.

No.

Don't.

I need another daily.

I want a daily a 991.2.

That's what I want.

I want a daily that that's probably going to happen next year.

But I'm just saying in general, there's some sweet spots out there with Porsche.

You just have to do the research.

Like you have to.

I guess it's easier for us to say because we have more than one already.

It's easy for us to be able to pick something that fills a block.

Like I need a daily.

Right.

Like so most people are like, well, I'm still looking after to try to get one car.

Like you have cars that do different things.

But you know, the 991 as a platform as a whole, that car can do all of it.

It can daily drive.

It can it can go to the mountains.

Like we've talked about this before.

It's it's less compromising than 997s.

You know, let's be honest.

Like that's the enthusiast spec chassis because there are some compromises with it.

I mean, it's a modern classic, but let's be real.

It's not, you know, if you go get an S, they're beautiful cars.

I always think they'll be beautiful, but they're just they're not the same build quality as

like like the 991 chassis.

Like it's all aluminum chassis.

It actually that car was lighter than 997.

If you do the lot of people don't know that that that chassis, even though it's a bigger

car, it's a lighter car, like base car for base car, like the 991's lighter.

But anyways, I don't know.

There's a lot.

There's a lot there.

So we'll see.

So Magnus, this is a follow up story.

The Magnus Walker RM Sotheby's collection that's going for sale.

They posted the cars and, you know, they and they show the range of each car for what

I saw on the range.

Some of the stuff it's it stood out to me, you know, and I love the air cooled stuff.

Most of his stuff is air cooled and but some of the cars that really stood out for me.

I'll start with the air cooled.

The only air cooled I really want.

He has a couple narrow body cars and a short wheelbase like some, you know, some of the

old heads are like really like die hard about, but not really my thing.

But so we're not going to talk about those.

You could go on there and look at them if you want.

I think they're a little, little strong on money with those.

But I feel like a lot of these are pretty fair price because they're mild up and not

in a bad way.

I just like, you know, he bought cars that were driven and he drove them as well, like

as, as you should, that that's always been my philosophy.

So the 930 Minerva blue car is our early car.

It's, it's a 30 car.

So it's, it's a, it's a pre intercooler car.

Um, Sotheby's is thinking 175 to 200 on that car.

I think that's a little light.

I think that car is going to probably go for more than that.

But I, sorry, I meant to lead with this.

The interesting thing on all of these cars, no reserve on any single one of them, which

is insane, which is not like insane.

Like, oh my God, he's crazy.

It's insane in a great way because that means every single one of them is going to sell.

So whether that be high, low, they're selling.

And honestly, if you're, if your goal is to sell cars, you should be selling the car

at no reserve because your goal is to get rid of it.

Like there's so many, like, which probably puts in, I guess it's a good point to you

because you have a reserve that means it's, it's anchoring everybody's minds.

Yeah.

To like, because what's it going to take?

Right?

Cause now everybody's like, what's it going to take?

Now nobody knows.

Yeah.

And the psychology behind that, I can tell you, I work at a place that we sell cars

for a living and the reserve cars, you wouldn't believe it, 90% of the time outperformed cars

with reserve.

And now there's some outliers that don't work that way.

But most of the time, majority of the time that no reserve cars outperform the other ones

because people are bidding knowing they're taking the car home, no matter what.

And I don't know how RM does it, but I like on our online auction site, it doesn't say

when the reserve is met either.

So you're always, if it's either on, it's on or off.

So before it gets listed, it says no reserve on it.

So that never changes once it's no reserve.

But if a reserve is met, unless the seller says the reserve's met, which we always say

is a bad idea because generally speaking, then everything comes to a halt.

And then it would just stop.

Why would I pay more than what you want?

So I don't know.

But from everything that I've ever watched, then no reserve stuff always does well.

And that's probably what he was.

He probably listened to RM because they probably said the same thing to him.

They're like, look, people will be excited because you're Magnus to begin with.

These cars are going to sell, you know, and honestly, congratulations to him for listening to them

because, you know, everybody can get kind of emotional about their car,

especially when they want to sell it.

They've been attached to it.

And they're like, well, I got to get this tour.

I'm going to hang on to it, right?

Like everybody gets that way.

Yeah.

Like whatever the opposite of a tire kicker is, the seller slash tire kicker is like,

well, if it doesn't sell for this, I'm not selling.

It's like, well, then you don't really want to sell the car.

Right?

Just want to show what it's playing.

So I don't know.

That's just always I've always thought that even before, you know, I work there.

It's it's one of those things it's like, well, then just ask for that.

Yeah.

They're just worried about not getting enough money.

Not being comfortable.

A lot of what we find out, too, from our research, a lot of people have this grand

idea of like what they they saw one car on either an arrival auction site or they saw

on Mecom.

Get that outlier.

Yeah.

While they're walking through their damn living room because it's on or they saw a text message

from a friend or they get, you know, like, I mean, we're not even in the JDM world and

how many people came up.

She's like, you see that super that sold at Mecom for like 300 some thousand dollars.

I'm like, yeah, it was an outlier.

Who cares?

Like that it that shit doesn't matter.

Like that's like the Cayenne that we sold on our site sold for, you know, almost 100

grants.

Like you see that base model Cayenne just because it was green so for like 100 grand,

like it had 45,000 miles.

I was like, that's insane.

It's like, yeah, that's never going to happen again.

Okay.

It's an outlier.

How much that one guys do?

I think it did pretty good.

I think it did like upper 40s when it came in after.

Yeah.

I had a flurry of those come in, you know, like, because everybody who had one saw that

guy sell the one for like nearly 100 grand and then everybody else came in and it was

like, whoa.

I mean, I don't even remember the number.

It might have been even over 100 actually.

Like it was over.

Yeah.

It was strong.

Yeah.

It was like 125 or something like that.

Right.

Something crazy.

Yeah.

But anyways, back to Magnus.

So I think for me, the biggest, the biggest car that he's selling.

I wish I was in a position that I could bid on is the GT2.

There's so few of them and you don't get to see them come up that often for sale anywhere,

like even just for a list, not even auction.

Got anybody in Alpharetta been on that or no?

I don't know.

I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people bidding on this car because it's at a price

point where it puts a lot of people in play.

I mean, it's, yeah, it's not, I mean, it's used because if you watch the video on it,

you'll see those seats are pretty warm.

Even though it puts a cool color, cool color.

Yeah.

But I mean, even, even with that, like it's a driver car.

It's almost 100,000 miles on it.

But I mean, as we know, a Metzger engine car run a million, a million miles.

Like that guy, where's he live at in Connecticut or something like that?

Rhode Island.

Rhode Island's got almost a million miles on his never been opened up.

It's good to go.

Like he just, he just had the turbos rebuilt.

Oh, at what?

375,000 miles on those turbos.

So it just shows you what, what it's capable of.

So there are M's estimating that car between 125 and 150.

I feel that's low, maybe just because miles.

And like, honestly, I think if I'm being honest, if it wasn't Magnus, they probably wouldn't

even accept that this car.

I mean, it's a GT2.

Don't get me wrong.

It's a very special car.

The miles wouldn't do it.

Yeah.

I think that's, I think.

So the reason why I'm bringing that up, I think they're having a hard time with some

of these finding comps for valuations to think we're like, and I'm at the end of the day,

it doesn't really matter because these comps don't hold true anyways, because it's a,

it's a no reserve car.

Yeah.

So, but they always as a courtesy want to give people an idea where they think the car

will go at.

That doesn't mean this car is going to go at that.

I mean, this car might easily do go into 200.

No problem.

I didn't even look at them.

I haven't seen the last GT2.

I didn't pull comps on this thing.

I mean, not that I'm not a player, so I don't care.

Um, but even like what you were saying about the seats, like even they can get, you can

get that redone for a couple of grand black on the caramel colors.

Oh, I don't think I've ever seen one of those either, but I mean, even the seats can get

redone.

That's not that big of a deal.

Like the car looks good.

It looks the part.

And it's all fact further.

What he was saying too is all factory.

Yeah.

Minus the wheels, right?

Now, I know he got a smoking deal on it from auto kennel because that's where he got the

car from.

And like, I know he's buddies with that guy and he hooks his boys up out there.

Um, so like this car, a little like, I don't know who had it.

I don't know how auto kennel got it, but like when auto kennel got it, like it never even

got listed.

Like basically Mark Magnus got like a text and was like, Hey, I got a GT2.

It's got your name on it.

And he's just like came and got it.

He probably paid nothing, meaning like the guy at auto kennel probably got it not for

a lot because it was miled up and that was before the GT2 craze.

And so Magnus in turn probably got a good deal on it.

So I mean, if I had to bet money, I bet Magnus isn't into this car for more than 75.

If I had to bet money, 75, so this car will probably be, you know, so even if it does

valuation, he still makes money.

He's going to make money on no matter what.

Even if it's on the low side, he'll make money on.

I don't think it will.

I think realistically where I think this car will land, like looking at like what their

eval on it and a hundred thousand miles, it, I think 175, it'll get this, I think about

about two, maybe I think two will be strong.

But I mean, you got to remember like these types of places call, call in their comp.

So if you pay 175, you'll be close to two with the, not I'll say comps, sorry, your,

your, your fees.

So you'll be close to two if you pay 175 on it anyways.

But I think the hammer price is their terminology will probably in the I think 175

will probably get it done.

But also go find another unmalested GD do.

Yeah.

Well, that's the thing is there's not a lot of them for sale.

And the ones that are for sale are usually like.

Quarter million dollars and they're not this mild up to be fair.

Most of them and they're not super low miles either.

They're like right in between, I would say like 40, 50,000 miles.

Most of them and they're asking quarter million dollars.

Take it, send it back to Porsche Classic.

You have it restored and then you don't even need to do.

Well, I know you wouldn't need to try this thing right out the gate, right?

Like, I mean, think about if you, if you had the means to afford a hunt, let's just

call it, let's just say it's $175,000 just for the sake of argument.

Think about how stress free this could ownership.

This would be like if you, if you were, you know,

really, really OCD, you could get the seat recovered or fixed or whatever.

But outside of that, you know, if it's bone stock and you want it a little bit

more rowdy, put it to and on it, put some exhaust, keep the wheels and drive it.

You could drive this car for five years and not lose a penny.

And I promise you probably could sell it for $175,000 and put another 20,000

miles on it because it's already mild up anyways and that it has the Magnus Walker

Panage attached to it now where it's be like, oh, this used to be Magnus Walk.

Like you as this coming second owner, I would say the owner after him

will still be able to carry that through and it'll be fresh enough for if you keep

it and try to sell it, it'll do well because of that.

Still be like, oh, yeah, I bought it from Magnus at the RM thing, like and

everybody in the Porsche world should know that already.

So I think this car has a lot of room and a lot of legs.

So I mean, I think even if you pay 200 for this, I think you're still

going to be OK. I mean, what is there 184 of these worldwide number?

And it's crazy. I mean, even that, like that's a worldwide number.

Right. Yeah. I mean, how do you make so like, how was this car slept on for so long?

And those are four hundred and fifty pounds lighter than the turbos were.

Yeah. Like they're super.

And they had the better clutch, too.

They're not, they're not assisted clutches either.

So they're like, are they like our GT3's?

Yeah, I should have bought one of these for about nine and seven

because I could have probably bought one for about what I paid for my nine, nine,

seven at the time. Yeah, my dad.

They were about 90.

Turning my dad to get one back in the day.

Yeah, they're about 60 years.

Yeah. 60 years, 60 years, 70 years.

The one I looked at, like, I mean, there was a guy locally, it had one.

I think he sold it for what, seventy five.

Yeah. I mean, it had a ding on it from Carfax, but not like crazy.

I don't think. Silver one. Yeah. Yeah.

But I mean, think about that at one point.

I remember seeing these around the 85, 90 range.

I wouldn't say all day because there still wasn't that many of them,

but like three or four of them, all of them silver,

because they didn't make a bunch of colors.

And that's the other thing, like, yeah, there's some,

there's some right things about this, even with miles.

Yeah. So what do you think that manner of a turbo is going to do?

I think it'll do 250.

I think it'll go above, I think.

And then an honorable mention car.

Like, which I thought was a really fair evaluation.

His 996 GT three was evaluated at between 100,000 and 125.

I think that's what they're going for.

Like, I don't know. Yeah, I get that.

But I'm saying being attached to it.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't even think that's I think that's low.

Yeah, I think that car will go above that just because of his.

But I mean, you got to like, it's not hard to do like you could.

All of that, that livery he put on it, that's all just decals.

Like you could take that off if you're not into it. It's not pain.

Or do you keep it because?

Well, that's the thing is either you got to love it.

Yeah, I guess you're you're in the like, if you get it,

they're getting it because you just wanted to do three.

That's one thing. Yeah.

And you're going to get a deal on it.

But if you get it, you're paying up for it like that.

That that GT that 996 GT three, you're buying that because that's his car

because he put decals on that car.

Like to take that off with what there's enough 996 GT threes out there

that are silver. Yeah.

That aren't his car that you could buy for that.

You don't even have a price range.

Exactly. That you don't have to mess with that stuff.

So you're buying it because he owned it.

So like, I feel like that car, you got to love the way that thing looks

because that's the whole point of that car,

even though it's just decals.

You end up in the morning button on your Nikes.

And your little bowler hat.

Make sure you get your hobbles car.

So I think that the comps on this are pretty fair for the most part.

But I still still because he's attached to that GT three,

I think that GT three, I'll probably do like 150 if I'm like guessing.

But, you know, of the bunch, that GT three is probably going to be

the cheapest car of this entire bunch.

He's got a couple other long hood cars that are going to be going up for sale

that have higher comps in this anyway.

So I did that. Is that market pretty strong still?

I haven't looked at it in a while.

It is just for the same.

It is because there's so few like that's a that's a really unique market

in the sense of there's like a bunch of blue chip ones.

And then there's there isn't a lot in between, I guess.

There isn't like, oh, there's middle ground, long hoods.

And then there's raggedy long hoods.

It's pretty much if you get a raggedy long hood,

like it's pretty much not running like that's how disarray they are.

Like and usually at that point, you're you're dumping a lot of money

into a resto and all that stuff.

So it's either super, super high level ones that have, you know,

history and specialty colors or in full multiple hundred, you know,

a couple hundred thousand dollar restores on them and whatever,

or special motors, or then you've got the middle ground ones

where people have been driving them, you know, having fun with them.

And they're right around 100, you know, you know, and so.

But I feel like that market is kind of dwindled in the sense of

not that people aren't interested, but I feel like everybody

who kind of wanted one of those got one.

So they're that makes sense.

If you say there's a disparity between yeah, they are all done.

Or yeah, or it's going to have to be the same way as the scratch.

And I don't dislike them, but I just I don't know.

I don't I we've had this air cooled conversation before.

I just feel like I'm not I don't know.

I don't want one that old, I guess I like the way they look.

I think they're beautiful.

Yeah, I like the prewar cars.

Yeah, I don't think I wouldn't say they're that bad.

I just feel like for me for to do what I needed to do,

I mean, it would be a lot. Yeah, I would have to do a lot.

Like I I appreciate what they are for like narrowbodies,

but I would I would need to like do SC flares on it.

Like I would need to do I probably need to because those would be super narrow.

Yeah, I would have to do it like a two seven short stroke,

which is a lot of money like I couldn't I couldn't.

I think I'd appreciate it, but I wouldn't enjoy it.

Is that makes sense?

Like I appreciate it, but I wouldn't have fun with like a two litters.

They're not even mess with our skills.

Yeah, I mean, trust me, I've long time ago, like before even did Peacart talk,

I I thought about the idea of like trying to do that, like, oh, could I do that?

But I don't want to like I don't want to cruise it like it would be a cruiser.

Because unless I took it to where I wanted to be like some nasty two,

you know, like I said, like a two seven, like,

you know, fiberglass, it got some of the steel out of the car, made it even lighter.

That way you're maximizing your 250 horsepower that even on the short stroke

that you have, you know, a little bit wider fenders.

And still, like I think that would be a fun car to drive.

But I mean, that's that's a hundred to buy the car.

And then another hundred to do that, basically.

So now you're in it at 200 to have something that's like

really cool, but then it's kind of like, yeah.

Can you sell that for 200?

Probably not.

So then like that's one of the rare instances in Porsche

where you've dumped a lot of money into it.

You're going to I mean, that car probably go for 160.

So you lose like 40 on it.

I'm not interested in that losing money or or yeah, both.

Both or the timeline and the headache.

Yeah, it's going to say you can have a couple of years in the headache.

Yeah, because there's lying.

It's not like people are like, oh, yeah, doors wide open.

We we've got nothing to do here.

Let's start on your car.

Like that's like, all right, cool.

We'll take a deposit and we'll call you in eight months when we might be in a

position where we can start doing maybe some motor work on your car.

And it's kind of like, great.

We're going to pick our dog long hood.

I feel like most of the people that have these or have had them

or are pursuing them or maybe have one in progress, have multiple cars.

Like this isn't going to be their only 9 11, meaning like they already

have had multiple 9 11's and they still have them, meaning like they have

other cars to drive.

So if this project takes three years, takes four years, they don't care.

I feel like long hood owners that go that far along.

That's part of the deal.

Like they're like, oh, yeah, that guy already has eight 9 11's.

Like I must feel like every shop that is working on 9 11's are, I mean,

long hoods, their owners that have them there, they have multiple cars.

I would be shocked if we pulled them, if, you know, not that we would.

They're like, no, yeah, this is their only.

Yeah, this, this 70 T's, their only one.

Nope. He's been taking the bus every day.

Yeah, right. It's like, yeah, he bought this car.

He was his first 9 11.

He's never had a 9 11.

Like that, that just doesn't, those don't work, but it doesn't work that way.

You know, no one's going to just buy a car and just dump several

hundred thousand dollars on it and never have taken that ride and never driven

an air cooled and owned air cooled.

Like they've had to have had that.

I'm sure they're great. I'm sure they're great.

I'll figure it out. It'll figure it out. It'll be OK.

It's just money, right? It'd be fine.

Yeah, no, pretty much not.

So our drive, we got a couple of spots left, right?

Popping off in October.

Is that Topoco Lodge?

Yeah.

So if you're not a member, become a member so you can go on the drive, right?

Yeah, you can click on our link on the Instagram or go to the website.

Yeah, get it done. Get out there.

Enjoy yourself.

Treat yourself, as they would say on Parks and Recs, right?

Treat yourself.

Man, I've seen so many clips recently.

Treat yourself.

I'll help you.

All right, so get that done.

We want to see you, like I said, a couple of spots left.

I know it's far out, but at a minimum,

I would highly recommend if you're not 100 percent on the dates,

at least put your deposit in, because if you just wait to get on the wait list,

like the likelihood, I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible.

People have done it and got into the drive being on the wait list.

I just think that you got a better shot if you if you lock in a deposit.

That's that's all I'm saying.

You're not wrong.

So so Singer has made a convertible.

I saw that. Yeah.

How about that?

But it's not just any convertible.

They went with a wide body.

So, you know, obviously, it's a nine six four chassis

for refresher for people who don't know.

They only made a handful of wide body convertibles and nine six four chassis

anyways, and furthermore, even in the G body, I think.

The only way to get a wide body convertible in G body was a speedster,

I think, pretty sure, because I think the rest of them were narrow bodies.

There was a couple turbo look cars, a couple.

Yeah, literally, I'd say more than a couple, but very low numbers.

And they bring super big premiums to just because they have a turbo look.

I think they call it that, you know, the turbo look. Yeah.

The difference, though, is all of those cars, even the nine six four one

don't pack the punch this car. I imagine it doesn't.

Yeah. Yeah. So any four liter going into this car, 420 horsepower

obviously looks good. It's a singer car. No doubt about that.

I think this is a way for them.

You know, since they stopped making the classic

to still use the motor of like the four liter, right?

They're still doing classic stuff with it.

But they're still doing like they're like, hey, we've put this in cars.

We don't want to just abandon this.

Also explains all the convertibles we sell sitting in the warehouse.

Right. So maybe maybe they were putting roofs on them, but I doubt it.

Probably not. I mean, they they are very calculated, right?

Like since they the nice part is, is since, you know, once everything

gets rolling, there's a timeline it builds in.

It builds in a timeline for them.

It gives them time back as a company

to be able to figure out their steps, right?

So like where they're not rushing for the next model,

they're not rushing to do the next thing.

So they're doing a very good job of rolling out specialty models here and there.

And they're only making a handful of these, too.

Like they're not going like, OK, I heard 500.

Really? I heard less than 100.

So we'll see.

Completing. Not that it matters.

Yeah.

I don't really know if there's 500 people out there

that want to spend nearly a million dollars on a 911 convertible, but I could be wrong.

Other people that have had the classics and have the DLS is.

But they probably was. I'm sure we haven't talked to them in a long time.

So it would be nice to actually if we if we get back out to.

California and talk to these guys or if wherever in the U.K.

and talk to them again to see kind of like

what they're scaling at and what their goal is as far as.

Because 500 units, I mean, I don't even think they've made 500 cars

total yet at all, like everything combined.

Oh, I think so.

I thought they made 300 something classics or something like that.

Maybe. But I mean, how long did it take them to do that?

I mean, they weren't at the scale of the hour now or should I mean?

I mean, obviously, we were still there when they were talking about trying to pump cars out faster.

But I think they're still taking a page out of.

I mean, none of these cars are cheap.

I whatever.

I was going to I'm going to say what I was about to say anyways,

even though maybe like foot in the mouth.

But it seems like they're taking a page out of out of Porsche's book

and trying to scale in the sense of having a lot of variants of options,

meaning like, oh, well, those are out.

There's no allocations for that, but we have these.

Yeah, exactly.

And it's like if you do buy a car from us, now you're part of the family

and you've got a better shot when we release the next thing we release.

And they're like, well, what do you release the next day?

That's classified. I can't tell you yet.

But you can put it on them.

Yeah, exactly.

But you buying this car is going to make you first on the list

because everybody who has bought a car from us, that's how we roll.

We talk to all of them first before a newcomer gets to come in.

So I think that helps them continue to sell cars.

Right. It's like, it's like, do you have a glassing?

Do you have a DLS?

Do you have a turbo?

Pretty much. I guarantee they do.

If you have all three.

And there there's probably I wouldn't say a lot, but there's probably

at least a handful of people that do have all those.

Because now you can have a singer.

I mean, I guess they're a while.

That will be if somebody's bought all three of them, even not that,

just that they can have a singer collection.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, we've heard David from what is it?

Weathertech bought two DLS's.

I mean, when money's not an object, I guess you can do whatever the hell you want.

Right. When money's not an object, there's an object for money.

Yeah. Right.

So he's probably just what I mean, it'd be kind of a flex, right?

You got singer on auto pay.

Like, so you're just like, hey, you have my credit card number.

So like when a new model comes out, it just auto pays at the black car.

And the rest of us with Netflix, like that thing, seven hundred dollars.

Like you just see a negative seven hundred thousand dollars on that black card.

And it's like, what the hell?

And then it says like singer corporation.

You're like, oh, my credit card knows a new car came out before I even knew a new car came out.

That's pretty cool.

Like, I guess I got to go.

I guess I got to California.

I spoke a car.

Confirming, complete.

Exactly.

We already know what you want.

We got you.

You're like, OK.

They just get to the point where it's like, then you don't even get to choose.

Just nope.

Yeah, you're like, well, where you are in the line,

blue is the only color left.

You're like, all right, blue it is.

But yeah, pretty cool.

I mean, I love the fact that they're still like just

evolutionizing their company.

Essentially, they're not a one trick pony.

I mean, it may seem like it for outsiders where they basically this is a classic

nine eleven that they just cut the roof off of, but not quite.

I love that they took it down the turbo route earlier.

You know, obviously, this is a past car.

We already know it exists and all that stuff.

I love that they reimagined the 930 turbo.

I think that was such a cool exercise.

And I think I like that car, believe it or not, more than I like the classic.

I like it looks.

It's got a lot of cool.

Yeah, I think it looks good.

Even I love the DLS, and I would say for me, it rivals the DRS very closely.

Obviously, like the DLS. Sorry.

Yeah, I'm saying DRS.

You're a freaking freaking F1 stuff.

Yeah.

You have DRS.

It's coming. It's coming up.

But, um, yeah, I would say it's a very close second for me on that 930 turbo

exercise, but DLS is number one still.

Yeah.

I just think because what it represents, like, it's just so much into that car.

All right, final topic.

Motor Trend, one of the riders there.

And now this is their opinion.

So don't like roast this guy and go after them.

But they listed the top five nine elevens that they've ever driven as a journalist.

And I think it's kind of interesting.

So that's why I wanted to bring it up, because everybody has their own opinion.

And some of these may shock some people and some may not.

So.

They said the 930 turbo pre intercooler car.

So the one that weighed like basically the one Magnus has for sale.

And the reasoning behind it is the car weighs twenty five fifty.

And they like the turbo lag that like how it's it's just kind of vintagey.

Yeah.

That was the challenge.

Yeah.

And the power made sense for that car.

Meaning with like no intercooler and for like what it was at the time, it seems like,

oh, that's not a lot of power in that car.

And but for twenty five hundred pounds, like, I mean, there's

there is no argument about that.

Like you go to them, you go get a Miata and you put 210 horsepower on it and it's fast.

Yeah.

That's what that car is, essentially, but the engine's in the back.

It's turbocharged.

So that was one.

Another one was didn't say specific model, just a 993 generation in general.

We've really enjoyed it.

All of them said thought how much better they were than nine six fours.

I don't know if I agree with that being an owner of both.

Yeah, I like them both.

I think that's true.

You I think I think in stock form, a 993 is a little soft.

That's just my personal opinion.

But if you do one up, yes, I agree.

But I agree on a nine six four two.

You do a nine six four up.

It's more raw.

It's more hardcore.

Do you think so not because we're going to go on a tangent and interrupt.

Do you think if your nine six four was built the exact same way as a nine

and three, you have that would be like super similar?

Or do you think there'd be enough difference?

I think they were like one or the other.

I think they feel really close, to be honest with you.

Obviously, if it had all the same care, like the stuff the nine

nine three has, if it had a three eight and it had all the stuff,

the difference would be is I would have to find a way to lighten

that nine nine three by a lot because I mean the nine six four

because the nine nine three is really light, but it has in place of a lot of

steel in the body has a lot of carbon, like the hoods, carbon tails, carbon

doors or carbon fenders or carbon carbon fiber, plexiglass, like

lambax, you know, it's got a carbon roof on it.

It's got a lot of lightweight stuff on it.

I take the fact that roof's not carbon, but.

But it's lightened.

It's if if it had pound for pound, I would and I would need the wider track

that the nine nine three has to if I had all of that in the nine six four,

I would take the nine six four's looks.

Yeah, I still like the nine six four.

But as we talked about, like it's almost like we put it in the air a lot

years and years and years ago.

It's like if I ever owned a nine nine three, you would have to look like this

and and then it shows up years later.

Not that I'd want to go through that crash again.

Not the way you want to do that.

No, that's what I said before.

I was like, that's not how I want to do it.

Like ascertain a nine nine three.

But if I ever had to get one, it would be in the form that it's in right now.

The only way I could think that car could be at least any better for me and not

even this is just nitpicky shit.

Like maybe if I just had more power, like not that it has lacking on power,

but instead of a three eight, maybe a four liter, that's it.

Which and that's being like really critical

because it doesn't need a four liter by any means.

Like that's just more of kind of like a flex.

Be like, yeah, it's a four liter.

It's like, oh, my God, there's a four liter in that car on top of that.

But it definitely does not need it.

And the other car this in the next car he talked about was nine nine six.

Really enjoyed the nine nine six generation.

I thought that was kind of a shock for me like when I saw him say that

because I've driven quite a bit of nine nine sixes.

I like them. I think they're great cars.

I think they're of all the nine elevens.

I don't I don't know if they'd be in my top five.

OK.

But again, stock form.

Is that what he's comparing?

Yeah, again, there wasn't a lot of detail on this on this one.

There was a photo of a cab.

So I can't imagine it.

He's talking about, like, I don't think he's talking about nine nine six GT

threes or turbos, but I like I like both of those.

But just as I could stock nine nine six, I don't really see it, but OK.

Again, this is just a list of somebody who works for motor

trend of their top five.

These next two I agree with.

And and I actually don't know if I agree with the second one I'm about to say.

But nine nine one dot two.

Jen, we talked about this already.

I think that's a sweetheart spot.

I think it's a trendy thing to say these days right now.

That's what I think.

Well, they're drying up as weird as that sounds as many as they made.

But you know what?

It's it's that, you know, to go on the tangents that we always go on.

And I'll keep it brief.

It's the same crap that we talk about in the past.

So it's a nine nine one dot two.

Jen, when it's new, I'm not saying it's not it's less desirable,

but you don't know what's coming next.

And then when the nine nine two comes out and the price point came out,

I think that that either made people hold where they were because they're like,

I'm not getting the new one because that's way more than I anticipated.

And that's outside of my price range and I don't hate my car.

So I think people either stayed there or people that were going to be like,

oh, when the nine nine two comes out, I'm going to get that.

And if they didn't even have a nine nine one dot two yet, they're like,

if that nine nine two, I'm just going to get a nine nine one dot two.

And I think that's why a lot of those are drying up.

And I think a lot of people are buying them as we talked about as an all

rounder, where they're kind of like, man, there's tuneability in this car.

This car can do a lot.

Like I don't I don't need to have a GT three in air cooled and a daily.

Like I can just buy this and it can do all of that stuff.

I mean, minus you're not going to go to like air cooled stuff.

You're not going to get those vibes, but it's just as fast as it's faster

than a GT three.

Honestly, like you get one and you do the right bolt-ons on it.

It's faster.

So on the time sent a GTS, he's like, no, no, one dot one GT three is

about the same price.

I'm like, well, buy one.

Yeah, I mean, have fun.

But the crazy thing about it is like, if you're not one of those

clout chasers and you and you really just care about the driving experience,

the nine nine one dot two, even if it is just your special car and, you know,

like I'm chasing one as a daily, but it can be your special car, even though

they made a lot of them, it doesn't Porsche doesn't determine if it's special.

Like you determine if it's special.

Like I think that's where a lot of people screw things up where there's like,

well, they only made so many of this and they get into that statistical battle

where they only made so many of these.

They only need to like strip all that shit away.

Like if you get down to like the driving characteristics of what that car is,

you start doing your research on that car and start to realize and I'm talking

about a baseball, I'm not even talking about a done up one.

Like what that car delivers on a day to day basis and the power with that car is.

I mean, it has forged connecting rods in it in the base model car.

Like like you said it off air earlier, it's like the new Metzger, essentially.

It's like they're newer to Jay-Z for the Porsche.

It's it's basically whatever, you know, term you want to click onto it.

And I think a lot of enthusiasts and a lot of drivers and a lot of people

who like to tune cars, they already knew this like we knew this a long time ago.

We just weren't on the market for them.

I mean, we were talking about it when they flip that over and I was like,

oh, man, they went to turbo.

That's so stupid.

After you got over that initial.

Oh, it's not an anymore.

But then you start to get into the tunability of it and you start.

I mean, the 991.2 Carrera T's like you start thinking.

It is as quick.

Yeah, it's the same model as the base.

It's just doesn't have the fancy seats.

It doesn't have like a little bit of weight out of it.

But I mean, if you're dailying it, you probably do want to chase a base.

Just an option to base, right?

You want ventilated seats.

You want heated seats.

It's still PDK.

It's still going to be tuned like it's.

I don't know, man.

It's in the expensive ass Porsche market where things are so expensive.

And don't get me wrong.

They're not cheap.

Like I've looked at them.

It seems like a lot for a base.

I mean, they're they're living around the 85 to 90 mark,

but it is a lot of car still for that number.

And the good thing about that is is if you do have that car and you drive it

and you take care of it, you're probably not going to lose a lot on that car.

I mean, that car is probably not going to ever be less than like 65, 60.

No.

In this market, just because of what it brings to the table.

And then as this continues to be, everyone's talking point.

Yeah.

Market global.

Well, yeah, instead of that, you know, and I think our jobs, you know,

having a podcast and being able to reach people,

getting, helping people get over the fact that it's not

a low number of car.

It's not that, you know, that's OK.

Because honestly, whatever you buy, that's not low numbers.

Going to be the same thing.

You know, if you go by a new 992 or anything like that.

Yeah, like the same boat, like modern, modern car wise,

like meaning in the Porsche world, you know,

like 18 or 19 or even a 20, like Boxter S, that two and a half liter,

flat four, you tune that car.

There's there's not a lot that's going to be harassing you in the mountains either.

You're going to be harassing GT3s, like trust me.

Absolutely.

Like so, yes, you might be little brother, but you're going to be big brother out there.

We've seen in person.

Yeah, in multiple places, right?

Like we've seen some coasts.

They've had one since the beginning when on track out there, dominating at sea.

The first one that I've seen it too.

Yeah, they got the wick turned up on those.

So my point of bringing all this up, you know, in this person

and Motortran talking about this, like it they didn't specifically say

which one they were talking about.

And actually, I think in the they did say the 991.2 base was

probably one of their favorite cars just because of what it brings to the table

from a price point, because when you start looking at what that car is

and what you get for it and what you have to pay for that.

In the Porsche world, it almost seems like a bargain,

which sounds ridiculous to say, because that does suck to have to say, like,

oh, eighty five thousand dollars is a bargain.

Like, but it's not 140 starting.

It's not. That's how broken you get.

Like when you're in Porsche long enough, like Aaron and I talked about this,

you go look at something and like you talk to a JDM guy or something.

It's like, oh, I had to pay like twenty five hundred dollars

to get my like intake done on my GTR.

I was like, that's it.

Well, like I paid twenty five hundred dollars to change the fluid in my car.

You got my look at it.

I was like, you got a part.

I didn't get anything.

She's got peace of mind. Exactly.

But I just think that's a really, really.

And it won't always be that.

I think I think a lot of people already know that.

And I can tell you this just because I'm window shopping.

There's not a lot of them for sale, which in turn doesn't make a lot of sense

because you would think there's a lot of they would have sold the most of those

base models and S's. I'm looking at base models and S's.

They're probably some more S's than they did base models.

And you would think they would be everywhere, but they're not.

There isn't that many of them.

So either, like I said, people are holding.

Or they're selling privately, you know, there's not out there.

And I'm looking at public sites like auto trader, car gurus,

like the big ones where people are paying to list their cars at any given point.

You know, and I'm not talking about some janky ones.

I'm talking about like well kept ones.

And I'm not talking about low milers either.

I'm talking about you look for a good 7000 miles.

Yeah, I'm looking at like delivery miles, no accidents, no, you know,

frame damage, no salvage title cars, you know, like those kind of things.

Like and then that dwindles the pull down big time.

There isn't, there really isn't that many.

And then the lower the miles, believe it or not, like you could spend

a hundred grand on a 991.2 base model, which for me, like just window shopping

when I see that seems insane.

I'm like, that's way too much like that.

Why is this retaining this because of the car?

What it delivers, the engine, it's good, like the car is good.

So this is an exercise.

And even though it's a base model, it's it's showing that it has staying power.

Yeah, but we drove that one from sun goes and we're like, well, is it really quick?

They are, they're fast.

They're really fast.

Yeah, you put a tune on it.

And then the last car they enjoyed was the 992 GT3 RS.

OK.

Maybe the theatrics of it.

I'm not saying it in a negative way.

I just.

Yeah.

You bought the Huracan Porsche, basically, like everybody, every YouTuber,

every, I don't know, cars and coffee clown that exists, you know.

Or I go to the track, but it's a eighth mile track on some, you know, grassy lawn.

Like that's not really a track.

Again, I know I'm offending some people, but I don't really give a shit.

I'm just saying that car was over the top, which I commend Porsche

for for building it and making it.

But we even said it when they when they launched that car and showed it.

And it's like 95 percent of those cars will never see what that car

is capable of with downforce wise.

I would say probably one of the few places on the planet

where that car probably gets used appropriately is at the Nurburgring.

Yeah, I was on a place that I mean, I don't know.

And I'm only saying that because I haven't been there,

but I can see in Misha's videos, there's like 30 of them there

in the background at any given point, and they're different ones,

meaning like private owners are taking their three RSS there

and driving at the Nurburgring and applying the downforce that that car offers.

Yeah, that's right.

I think I don't know thinking about track layouts.

I don't know if anybody has a long enough street.

Yeah, because I mean, well, I mean, maybe Le Mans.

I mean, the safety car looked good at Daytona going around that three RSS.

Like, I'm sure that helped.

Like the well, with the anti team, they're like, hey,

I think we can bring another car out.

I don't know if it's an age thing, but I feel like the older I get,

I feel like that car on the street for me looks absolutely ridiculous.

Like that car looks so out of place like seeing one on the street.

The race car, it's crazy that the.

But it isn't, it isn't like it has like the nice, the nice.

It's like the it's like almost like it's

this is not the right term because a car is capable of it.

Yeah, but it's like it attracts posers

because it's like you want to give the appearance of a race car,

meaning like if you're the owner, but you don't want to race it.

See what I'm saying?

Like people don't it's so expensive.

And and I feel like the price point screws a lot of people's heads up too

because they're like, well, this is an asset.

And it's like, well, if you follow the old school terminology,

no cars are assets and you should be driving them

and you should beat the shit out of the car.

I was just thinking what's weird.

It's as soon as you said it, like think about the cup cars that we see.

Those look less wild.

Yeah, then the car. Yeah.

I don't know. Again, like everybody's entitled to their own opinion.

Like if you have the money and you buy that car, that's fine.

I mean, I'm not I'm just saying like.

If you didn't know this because you have one and maybe you have a lot of friends

and so you're you live in like a bubble and maybe you don't like

have conversations with normal people that are also car enthusiasts for other brands.

They talk about you.

So I just want you to know that not that that matters.

But they talk about they like that though.

Yeah, no, but not the way they want them to talk about them.

They think that they're talking about them in praise.

They're not there. They're talking about like,

why'd you spend 500 grand to go to like cars and coffee?

Like you didn't you didn't need to do that.

They're like, but I can do that.

And I'm like, you know, that that's for you.

Just saying that reiterates your douchebagness.

Like there you could have spent 500 grand on something way more badass than this

because basically the only difference with those cars now is

and I have to agree with Doug Demiro on this.

And like he he makes a really good point.

Like it's never even it's gotten so out of control

and they continue to get out of control with that three RS on that level.

Like the only thing it changes the definitive in this on that car is

Oh, did you get a Wysock pack?

Oh, what color? What PTSD did you get on that car?

Oh, did you get a Manti kit?

So you already have a special car, but in order to make it even more special,

you have to go down one of those three routes and then you have to.

So but my point is, is they're so striking in a way.

But at the same time, they're so cookie cutter in a way

that the only thing it really changes on them is the color

because you see the big fins, you see all this stuff.

And it's like, oh, he's got a blue one with white wheels.

Oh, he's got a matte black one.

They look the fucking same.

And you spent more than half a million dollars on it.

And you you think you're special.

And I was trying to think about that in that perspective.

Yeah, there's not much you can change.

And then anything you see X X is going to be mostly interior stuff.

Yeah. And again, I think they're beautiful cars.

And I and they just look so purpose like they're built for such a purpose.

And it's the most extreme street purpose I've ever seen.

And it's the coolest thing ever.

Like and I love that they have it.

And I love the man's high pack on the car like blacks the whole back

window out carbon fiber with the fin.

And I think it looks badass.

But I don't think it looks badass on the street.

Like I think it looks ridiculous.

Like I feel you know how like the best analogy I can use it.

It looks like a 75 year old man.

That has the whitest hair in the world.

But did a just for men's hair dye thing last night and dyed all his hair black

last night to go to cars and coffee, but has white eyebrows.

Like in an old ass liver spotted skin.

And it's like, dude, everybody knows that's not your hair color, bro.

Like, what are you doing?

Stop faking it.

We get it just it would be more of a man if you just didn't do your do that to yourself.

The just for me and take it.

Yeah. Right.

But I mean, I have a lot of love for him.

I just don't.

For me, that car seems so the most purpose driven.

Street car or I should say made street car that they ever made for the street.

That car just does not belong on the street to me.

Like I think in every journalist that's ever wrote about it or journal.

Like talked about that car.

I'm just reiterating their sounding board.

They all had said the same thing.

There's like, this is just too much for the road.

It's too much.

And it's and to be fair, if we're if we're if we're going to be chastising things,

you could even say the 991.2 is a little much for the road, too.

Like, I mean, it's at least less harsh and less doodads than that other car has on it.

But I just think it's, I don't know.

It's insane to say this that the 991.2 GT3 RS,

why sock car looks subtle next to one of those things.

I think I agree with you.

But I think it's just because the contrasting things they've done outside the giant wing.

Yeah.

I mean, the the fiddling gill, the hoodgills, like in the opening for the reverse radiator on that.

You got no frunk because it's straight race car.

Yet, you know, somebody wants to put their three quarters in there.

Like that is like, but I want to I want to put my where am I going to put my Starbucks at?

They're like, this isn't made for Starbucks.

Just hold it.

It's like, OK, can I get like one of those sippy cups that you can turn over

and stuff doesn't come out of it then because.

It's got another three hours on it.

It's got a wing on it.

It's probably got downforce.

It's probably got DRS on the sippy cup.

Probably.

Um, the people will probably buy it.

I mean, good for Porsche for making the car.

I just think that execution is outstanding.

I just think the purpose of what what what I know they can't crazy as possible.

Can they do next?

I know. Well, that's probably the pinnacle.

That's why there's kind of whatever.

We're just done making cars.

Well, even I'm not making cars.

Even the GT3 Rensport one they made still doesn't look as wild to me

because they kept the body color.

I would agree with you.

That's race car that's straight race.

I would agree even the two RS clubs were.

Yeah, I would agree with you.

Those are subtle, more subtle.

Yeah. I don't know.

I mean, it sounds like I'm hating on the car.

I'm more hating on I'm not hating on the car.

I love the car.

I'm hating on people's application of the car.

And I know Porsche can't control that.

But that's what they wanted.

Yeah, I know they couldn't control.

Well, I don't know.

I think if you ask Andy in a closed room and he's not being recorded,

he probably hates everything that I'm just saying to.

He's just like, no, that car is made.

I bet you he doesn't even have one.

Yeah, because I've seen him when he talks to Chris Harris.

You know what he loves?

He loves the touring.

Actually, I know what he drives.

He drives an ST.

Yeah.

So that's showing you right now.

Like, see, like that car's silhouette, you know, the silhouette,

like gentlemen's spec.

By straight pipes.

I just feel like an adult at a certain age

cannot drive that car and be taken seriously.

Yeah. I don't know.

Maybe I'm hating because there's like people like, oh, he can't afford one.

So that's why it's like, no, dude, like, even if I could afford one,

I don't think I'd have.

I don't know. I'd be embarrassed, honestly.

Like, they're like, you're you're you're driving that car.

Your gray ass is driving that car.

Like, that's a kid car.

That looks like that looks like a model.

Like somebody built that in their, like, you know, Lego set or something.

You're like, yeah, they have one.

And I know that.

Imagine that going up to the clubhouse and that thing like,

look at me. It's like, wow.

This guy's got this guy's got some confidence issues on.

But you put the golf clubs in the front.

Yeah. It didn't.

What do you do about this thing?

Oh, you you drove down the street to go to the steakhouse

and you wore your gloves to do it. Awesome.

Like, I don't know, man.

I just different strokes for different folks, I guess it's just

that goes back to, like, I think to close with.

There's that crowd of people that are chasing that,

that I feel like that aren't proper.

I guess that's not I'll retract that statement.

Not proper is not the right term,

but maybe not the enthusiasts that are more pure enthusiasts

because that's not maybe like where the sweet spot is, right?

Like at the top of that food chain, everybody thinks like,

oh, I want it. I want this. I want this.

I'm chasing this.

I compare that to like keeping up with the Joneses, right?

Like, oh, well, my four million dollar house isn't enough

because Don over there bought a ten million dollar house.

And we both work at the same firm.

And now I feel like an idiot because I feel like I have not now.

And you have a four million dollar beautiful house.

Like I feel like that's what that those cars are.

And you could go cross brand with that, too.

It doesn't even have to be within Porsche.

I mean, you go people chasing, you know,

Aventador SVJs or whatever.

Like at the end of the day,

like a regular Aventador is not good enough, right?

But you could say that about anything, right?

That's why I'm just going to be buying 991.2.

Yeah, right.

Anyways, we out.

Right.

That's it.

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