GHiT 0747 We Missed Mental - So He's Back

From the great halls of their house, there are assembled three who hope to one day be the

world's greatest driving heroes.

Created from the cosmic legends of the universe comes our team captain, The Vision, Bill Fisher.

And there soon to be Wonder Woman, Vicky Fisher.

And our captain marvel and head flight trainee, Jennifer Scribchuk.

Their mission to fight injustice, share what is right and wrong, to get you out of your

house and come out racing with them and serve all mankind.

They are the garage heroes in training team.

I want to talk but I don't want to talk.

Ruining pod.

Burning pod, burning pod.

Did you see, I made it almost till noon for Jeff's season goal, his annual.

Oh, I did actually.

It was terrible.

Right on the front porch steps, at least you were close, like you were far from home.

The nice thing was, I just missed the bottom step, so it was low threshold.

He just kept going.

I remember one time, when I was in the Air Force, I was living in Nebraska.

And I was going to say by choice, but it's Air Force, so no.

And I was, I'm still learning to deal with ice and snow and everything that comes

with living in Nebraska.

And I'm wearing my dress blues and I walk out of my house.

And I distinctly remember the vision, just walking down my stairs of my feet silhouetted against

the sky.

And I just immediately thought I'm going to break my back in land when I land on these

concrete steps.

Dress blues are not exactly ice performance.

And it's the infamous God loves fools drunk in the military because they have you in those

special shoes.

Well, they were just, you know, leather-bottomed dress shoes.

Smooth sole.

And I just, and I remember I got my hand back there and I still hit and it knocked

the wind out of me for a second.

It was just one of those, I'm going to feel this later.

I'm going to be here for a little bit.

I'm just, yeah.

Sorry.

So I hired this one kid out of school, directly out of school, went to Clemson, grew up in

South Carolina the whole time.

And it snows.

We're up in New Jersey.

It's like 11 o'clock.

Does he still work for you?

No, yeah.

He's a good guy.

Okay, because I've got a Clemson joke when you're done.

No, he's a good guy.

I make fun of Clemson too, though.

So I call him at like 11 o'clock.

And he's like, hey, what's up?

I'm like, where are you?

He's like, I'm home.

And I'm like, I know.

Yeah.

That's not what I pay you to do.

And I'm like, why aren't you here?

And he's like, here, where?

I'm like at work.

He's like, this is drivable?

I'm like, yeah.

Darsh is here.

So there's a very small petite woman that's, you know, and I'm like, everybody's here.

He's like, I didn't know this was drivable.

I'm like, get in your car and drive.

So then he comes in and he's like, you know, I never knew that water could freeze outside

of a freezer.

I'd never seen it before.

I'm just like, oh, baby bird.

Anyway.

Well, in his defense, because a lot of people are like, are you Shether people know how

to drive?

They don't.

Southern snow is completely different.

Southern snow.

It's ice.

Sometimes, you know, it's very slushy.

It's not drivable.

And then, like, you know, my dad grew up in New Jersey, my stepdad.

And I'm like, how come you, you know, I was a kid, I'm like, how come you don't

drive?

You grew up in that city.

It goes, yeah, I know how to drive.

Because no one else here does.

I'm not driving in this stuff.

You people.

Yeah, these people are crazy.

So, you know, most, most Yankees, I do remember I had a guy when I retired to

Georgia living across the street from me and he was like, yeah, it's ridiculous.

You know, we, you know, blada, da, da, da, we don't, we wouldn't even bring

the plows out for this sort of thing.

And he's just complaining and I'm like, so what you're saying is he was just

mad that everybody was home because it snowed like three inches.

And then I'm like, so what you're saying is you as a homeowner in this state

want your property taxes to go to snow plows that will get used once every two years?

Maybe you want to pay for this?

You moved here for a reason.

Enjoy the day off and quit complaining.

No, we were driving through the south.

We were driving through the south and at one point, right.

And and I passed one of the really big plow trucks dropping salt at 70

miles an hour. He passed me.

He was dropping it at 70 miles an hour salt.

It was bouncing all over us.

It does nothing.

It's all salt stayed on the street.

Zero plus in Nebraska, I remember losing windshields that way.

Anyway, all right, you guys ready?

Because if we keep talking, we're going to blow the entire pod.

You're already recording.

I am recording. We might do that.

All right. Welcome to the garage here is a training podcast.

Miss Vicki, we've got. Yes.

I'm Bill, by the way.

Anyway, he holds the record

for longest garage heroes and training podcast ever.

Jeff didn't beat me.

I really thought Jeff beat me.

No, no, you are.

You are still the only three plus hour guest we've ever had.

So if you know him, you know, this isn't going to be short.

If you don't know him, it's not going to be short.

Welcome back to the podcast.

Mental Ward.

I I thank you.

I'm I'm very happy to be here.

That is also just a reflection on how interesting you are.

Maybe I'm the only I'm the only guest

that just recognizes how absolutely wonderful it is to talk to you, too.

Checks in the mail, buddy.

So if I wasn't going for a run after this,

I would be wearing my garage heroes hoodie.

Well, there's no need to wear a hoodie where you're at.

There's plenty of need to wear a hoodie around that, you know, all week.

It has been we had one nice day, but all week it has been rainy.

And I'm going to say cold and everyone on the East Coast is going to laugh at me.

But it's cold for us.

It is it is barely.

It is that's the high today.

Sixty two in what town and city Las Vegas.

I'm sorry. Yeah, for the way it has.

Was I still in Los?

Was I in Las Vegas last time I was on the show?

Goodness, it's been that long.

It has my gosh.

Yes. So yeah, seven almost.

Yeah, seven years ago, we moved here almost seven years.

Yeah. So mental, I have no guide.

I have no outline.

I strictly have pull string on menthol's back and watch him go.

And we are in title of this.

We miss mental because we haven't seen you in so long.

So I was I know why you didn't.

I was hoping to see you guys at New Hampshire last year.

I was looking forward to it.

But yes, I know you guys made a great

appearance the next week at some point.

I was so frickin funny.

A weekend was awesome.

Yes. Yes.

Any time you start involving Eric in your themes.

100 percent.

Just just you talk about, you know, wind him up

and then get out of the way.

Eric is he is so much fun to work with.

And he is unbelief.

And you could just give him the most obscure theme.

It's an it's an eclair and it lives in Alaska

and it fights demons and he will write a script

and it will be a award winning theme.

You know, love the only thing we didn't do

was Eric didn't bring a guitar.

And I went to the local thrift store

slash pawn shop, whatever you want to call it in Virginia.

And they were closed because I was going to get us a guitar.

And we were going to do the guitar scene from this.

We did airplane to move in case the people keeping score at home.

I'm sorry, you won.

Halloween meets gasoline by doing the yes.

Yes, we had so many people involved.

So many.

I mean, surely we had to win.

It's interesting, you know, you're seeing that as a trend

is multi the multi multiple teams

getting involved on the same theme.

And I I I don't know how sustainable it is,

but it is definitely always fun to watch.

I got to be a part of Hangar 13 in Colorado last year.

And we did the we did space balls

and then prices right at two separate events

at High Plains Raceway.

And the prices right brought in the Savage Orchid

who is a Halloween meets gasoline powerhouse in Colorado.

And now that Chris and Chrissie are in Colorado with Hangar 13,

I would look to see truly just

I I be like grand production level

Monument Valley style production card.

Ernie out of out of those out of those crews.

I there is a rumor that if you remember Brad,

who raced with us a couple of times,

actually known as Brady Bird,

he moved out to Denver as well

and he's going to do his first season racing as well.

He's been out there for quite a while.

And he's finally settled to the point where he's like, I'm in.

Oh, it if you guys have done so many great tracks,

but you haven't done High Plains, have you?

No, I drove by it like four times,

but I never got onto it.

It is it is Glenn.

It is it's such a it is unique

in its creation where it is.

And but the Glenn and the staff out there, it is so much fun.

And it is a really,

it really doesn't embody the entire kind of racing community

there in the paddock because you are 30 minutes from anything.

Yeah, I do. Well, I mean, there's nothing on the horizon.

No, it's yeah.

You know, a lot of tracks are like, oh, you're 20 minutes

in the middle of nowhere.

You start in the middle of nowhere to get the High Plains.

You take a left and then drive for another 30, 45 minutes.

But the result is just a great community.

That whole racing community out there,

Jeff Hanca, Jan and Tom Webb,

you're the Apex adjacent guys, Ian and Dave, you know,

never had the same thing.

We need to get them out.

They're fun.

And yeah, and you want to talk about obscure music, man.

Ian, Ian will he will learn you.

Every time he comes to every time I hang out with them,

I'd like to have a note open on my phone

and write down bands that I want to listen to.

I have a I have a band theme that I want to do

that nobody's willing to do.

So I'm I'm probably going to have to bring it to somebody else

that's dumber than my team.

So they just refuse.

Refuse. Is it is it a movie that had a sequel last year?

No, no, no.

Oh, OK. It's a music video.

They still make those, you know?

All right. I'll send it to you in the chat.

I yeah, Julian Cordell tagged me in a Facebook post.

MTV is shutting down like half of their music only.

Yeah, I think they're done. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, they're not done as an entity, but music, television.

I think the YouTube model probably works out better for the artist anyway.

They played video killed the radio stars their last song.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And it did.

It's hard just to get people to sit down

and watch something like that anymore.

Well, also, I sit.

I don't think that's the problem.

I think the problem is they quit doing that.

That, you know, I remember you would just put on MTV

for noise while you're in the house and it was like a radio.

Yeah. And now I do the same thing with YouTube.

Yeah. And you know, and MTV was, you know, they just kept

creating celebrities out of people that you wouldn't like in regular life.

Yeah. And we had original and different varieties of music as we.

Yes. Yes.

And also, if you think about it, too, I mean, now you can get

whatever you want on demand when MTV was really hot.

And that's why I say YouTube.

I want some pie every time.

You know, every time the video.

Yeah. Every time the video plays on YouTube, they get paid.

So good. Yeah. Not a lot.

But yeah, they do.

Indeed. Well, it was kind of the record companies would use it as

free marketing and now they choose not to market.

But anyway, this is so much to do with racing.

So much.

Yes. So much.

Strap in people. Studio Heroes.

Studio 55, because we can't drive.

See what I did there?

Uh-huh.

Look at that.

This figure car is still backwards, by the way.

I keep trying to flip it.

Well, flip it and not me.

Yeah. All right, mental.

I've got some things that we've already talked about that I think we need to talk about.

Mental Ward.

We have been mostly East Coast with a good deal of Midwest.

You being judgemental, which is.

Judgemental.

Tremendous.

It's funny. People still judge.

I just get it.

Three races when Eric finally went, I just got that.

And I figured you had it out of the.

I figured that's why you called you that.

I still get I still get that.

Judgemental.

If you've never listened, I am retired Air Force.

Mental was my call sign.

My last name is Ward.

I've been mental longer than I've been a judge.

Well, it's a choice between is judgemental better

or mental Ward.

They're both good.

Both good.

So we have this thing.

We're going to try to hit some more tracks out West.

And I've got I've got a small list, but you've got the whole list

because you've been to many slash most slash almost all.

Yes, what's on the what's on our bucket?

What what how big a bucket do we need and which one should be in there?

Hmm.

You you want to do Sonoma.

No, I judged Sonoma or they call it is it Sears?

Sears Point is the same Sears Point anymore or not anymore?

Somebody somebody bought it's Sonoma.

Sonoma raceway.

I think they still says that over the sign.

And I had judged Sonoma for like the last.

I want to say I've judged Sonoma now for five years

and have never had never driven it until Albert Weitzer

raffled off the infamous race rambler and a team out here.

Stephanie Osborn, she's part of the they change their name a lot,

but they're just known as the dangle Camaro team.

Wonderful group of folks and she won it.

And there could not be a better custodian of the rambler than Stephanie.

And so she invited me and Tim and Corey all to drive it.

So I got a chance to drive that.

So that was my first time actually driving Sonoma. Great track.

OK. Yeah.

We had the ridge on our end.

Oh, yeah. Well, the the ridge is not on the schedule.

It's still a buck. Oh, no.

And I do not want to air any dirty laundry, but they've got new management.

And oh, no.

Their management is is made some real racers.

No, they've made some demands on the on the crowd that runs lemons.

And not lemons kind of doesn't need to put up with a bunch of crap.

And they don't like the racers being abused.

And they don't like being nickel-denymed.

And so they went to Pacific Raceways in Kent, which is also it's a very small track.

Literally, you are surrounded by houses on all sides.

So their their noise abatement is ruthless.

Understandably so. Yeah.

But like so many great little small tracks, wonderful staff, interesting track.

The and I've judged a bunch of Midwest races, but Kent, Washington change.

That is the most laid back group of racers ever.

We had, I think, yeah, we had a total of five cars over the weekend

that hit three penalties. Wow. Yeah.

Just like 10 hours with no one in penalty.

I don't think in JP's ever gone 10 minutes without a penalty.

No, a big part of it was a small crowd, but also part of it is just the attitude.

A lot of a lot of Canadians came down.

Great time. Wonderful, wonderful.

Did they apologize when they got a penalty?

They really, really did.

Did you see Iowa? I think it was Iowa.

I might have the wrong state.

They passed a law that if you move into a track that's been there before you.

Yes, it was Iowa. I love it.

Tough melons.

They have they have circle tracks.

And I do, I, yeah, I wish more states would adopt that, not just with race tracks,

but also with airports and Air Force bases.

No, what was it?

What's the rolling?

If the track is there before you moved in, you don't get to sue.

Tough. You next to a racetrack.

Well, duh, racetrack noise.

Oh, you know what you bought.

Right. And but that doesn't affect anybody else.

Yeah. Road Atlanta is been battling for decades.

They they've, you know, enroachment.

People have been sneaking up the whole saga of Laguna Seca.

It's got to say they're they're probably the most persecuted.

Yes. And, you know, there are some other.

It wasn't really a noise problem, but we lost

Fontana Auto Club Speedway last year, which is a shame, because that was a great track.

So so it it's a little bit, I say it's a little bit more common sense,

you know, I'm not saying lay a racetrack down in the middle of, you know,

a neighborhood, but come on, man.

If you build a neighborhood around the racetrack, surprise,

you fall in cheaper because it's near a racetrack.

Yeah.

Cletus McFarland is dealing with that with, you know, he he bought

an abandoned, you know, rundown, closed racetrack.

And now they're building neighborhoods around it.

And he's he's trying to get the the zoning change because he

rejuvenated that area and he's created an entire wonderful place

for people together and do dumb things with cars.

And now he's got neighborhoods enroaching in on that.

And it's yeah, it's not fair, exceptually.

So. I think.

You know, this is where we need to have our our mode of silence over pit race.

It did, which had nothing to do with noise.

That's OK. I just like I just like poking the sore.

Yeah, no, it it the.

I I will not understand that it does not make sense to me.

It was profitable.

It was a great community partner, people around the area like that.

Now they're going to deal with buzz and hum.

And it's not like Wampum, Pennsylvania did not have an abundance

of unused land or abandoned industrial parks anywhere else.

That was just yeah, it's a heartbreak.

I feel bad for Randy and Al.

The fish that that whole that whole community out there.

Those were the type of people that made up that racing community

and they were they were wonderful custodians of that and they got betrayed.

Yeah, quite a quite a bummer.

Hopefully it turns around, but I doubt it doesn't.

No, no, that's right.

Yeah, you have not seen the New Hampshire wrap up video.

We have a bit of a I have no joke about.

Pittsburgh in there.

Did they do

some point yet?

Oh, yeah. Oh, no, the wrap up.

No, I don't think they have.

OK. All right.

So we got three on three on list.

We got Sonoma, the Ridge Pacific.

You you but you already know and the reason it's not on the list.

We've already done Laguna.

You've done. Yes.

So not a bucket list.

It's already it's a redo list, but it's not a bucket list.

The the other one and you will you will find differing opinions on this.

But I will say Button Willow.

Really, but the but and here's the but the but here's the thing is

like I've I've invited people out there like Chris and Chrissy came out there

and it was just so hot and it really it was it was hot even for Button Willow.

And Button Willow is usually a hot race.

And it was dusty and there were fires

so you could kind of chew on the air for a little bit.

So it was like the worst weekend for them to be out there.

But I also Button Willow is a it's a fun track.

It is an it is a club owned track.

So it's not a corporate.

Is that the one that just got acquired?

No, no, no.

This one's been they just expanded actually after somebody just bought a SoCal track.

Oh, Willow Springs, Willow Springs, too many willows.

So but Button Willow is another one of these great tracks.

They have they have expansive

paddock area.

They've got a lot of garages and you still there's still people ended up in the dirt.

But also because you're out in the middle of nowhere, it is a great event.

People just have fun.

The the.

Oh, yeah, that's the super flat one, right?

Yes, they have.

Yeah, two official hills.

Yeah, it's like NOLA and MSR Houston.

They just, oh, we need a hill, build a hill.

Well, throw one in there.

Well, Mike won.

What does go wrong?

Yeah, but it's it's great.

There's a group of L.A.

firefighters that come out to every year and this is the race that they do.

They bring like four or five RVs, all their families, their kids, everything.

They assemble a bar and then the bar is open all weekend and they just

provide everybody with free drinks and then you tip and at the end of the

weekend, they donate the tips to the charity, which is always a great time.

And if we do it right, usually if I'm not judging,

I'm running with sorry for party and we are pitted.

Our garages are right across the street from the from their from their bar.

So it's great this year.

We had I had a couch that a friend of mine needed to get rid of.

So I threw it in my RV and I took it with me and we woke up on

Sunday morning and there was a guy just to sleep on our couch

because he had been at the bar and was going to stumble back to his RV

and decided the couch was far enough close enough.

You know, all right.

What about Thunder Hill?

That's on our list.

Oh, yes.

And of course, the 25.

Hopefully.

Yes.

Oh, no, it there's no hope.

It that is the 25 hours of Thunder Hill brought to you by the 24 hours

of lemons because Thunder Hill moved or NASA moved their 25 hour

race to Ozarks, but after years of loyalty from Thunder Hill.

You know what we need to do, mental?

Hmm.

Thunder Hill 25.

Yes, both ways.

Sure.

It needs that.

Yeah, they did that.

They did that three ways.

Right.

They did forwards backwards and then half track or something.

Yeah.

I was so into going.

But that was and thank.

And you would meet a lot of your your fan base out there

because there's a lot of folks.

Gosh, we haven't paid anybody out on the West Coast that I know of.

OK, I thought I thought you'd had some people on your show.

I like commute is so short.

I don't listen to nearly the podcast that I used to.

I have to binge them all when I drive when you drive to a trace.

Well, it's not like there's only one racing podcast in the world.

It's like they did.

They're like mushrooms.

Well, here's another one.

OK, absolutely.

Good.

Yeah.

OK.

Yeah, I mean, I listened to a bit to X.

I found that I found it after all of my media with nothing but racing.

It's great.

Exactly.

I don't even hit anything else.

I got racing in chess now and it's I'm full.

There it is.

Falling behind on all my other stuff, but damn it.

I know how to get checkmated.

I mean, wait, I know how.

No.

OK, anything else?

We've got those five right now.

Anything else that we need?

Anything else that's clawing clawing at you?

Well, and again, it doesn't.

I don't know if it counts as a race, but as a as a West Coast track,

rather, but yeah, high planes and they do two races of high planes.

They'll do the the the regular, I believe, in June and then the 24 in September.

Why don't you do the 24 in June when you have all the sun?

Because it's hot and miserable and they have to truck in all their water.

There you go.

Yeah, there's that.

OK, all right.

So that's our list right now.

All right.

Before Ms.

Vicki got on, mental and I started blowing pod.

And we were talking about his 912 versus his Miata.

So I figured what could go wrong with the discussion

comparing a Miata to a Porsche thing on the Internet is going to come out of this.

Oh, no, I I I know absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt.

It was a step backwards and I don't care.

Why don't you care?

So, you know, I.

So you're talking an ending Miata versus your 912.

Yes, yes, for the I'm sorry.

My gate eight, not original at all Porsche 912.

Let's see if I can do this properly.

I need to go through my photos because oddly enough, I don't keep one on my

my phone.

It's an audio rather I don't keep a copy of it.

I know I'm trying to.

So no, you might know this.

This is there was a band in the 80s called Wiretrain and they had a couple of

decent hits and they were when you had all of these independent record labels

that got wired by IRS in the 80s because underground and, you know,

alternative was a cool thing.

They were part of that and they were even on American Bandstand

and a guy named Kevin Hunter was the lead on this one.

And he is a Porsche guy.

He's got a 914.

He had this 912.

He got it without a motor and he put a 914 motor in it.

So it's a two liter type four motor in the back of a 1968 912.

And my friend ended up with it and he had the engine rebuilt

and then offered it to me and I sold my Indie Miata, which was a

perfect car by every measure to get this 912 because we don't make good decisions.

We're gear heads.

As long as you fit in it, it is the perfect car.

Yes. Yes.

And it was because people like how do you get, you know, and like in that car

I fit just fine, getting in and out, you know, I feel my age every time.

It's a little lotus.

Lotus position and you know, I was driving on to the track one time

and Stacy, the the gate guard, I was doing and I pulled in and I got out

and, you know, I had to hug her and say hello.

And then she laughed at me because I get in to I get into sports cars

nowadays, like a 55 year old.

I just I walked to the door.

I turned my back to the door and then I sit down and then swing my legs

into the car as the same way I get into the Porsche.

At least you don't have to unscrew your legs or anything to get in.

So you're you're not OK.

Yeah. So we, you know, did that.

And the Porsche is no better about that one, but it is just way,

way, way slower, has no heat, no air conditioning, no radio,

no cruise control, four speeds.

Four. Four. That's all.

And I know this because the gearbox is completely scattered

completely across my workbench right now because I am trying to get it rebuilt

so that I could drive it to work next week.

I learned how to drive on a three speed.

Yeah. So, yeah.

But as I mentioned, I have a short commute to work.

So I drove, I drove it, I drive it to work.

It's great. I have never not one time gotten in this car

and driven it anywhere and not got a thumbs up or a wave or a honk

or somebody just saying, hey, man, cool car.

It's it has never been restored.

And nothing on the car is original.

Just it is for.

Fifty eightish years

just been people just fix it and keep driving it.

It been in some kind of accident because my driver side door doesn't fit very right.

It's not the original color.

The interior has all been redone, but it

I've had to do some wiring on it.

That's always fun because a wire that runs from the length of the car

will change color six times because someone had to splice in something.

I recently committed the same sin

because the driver side brake light wasn't working.

And I was chasing the wire and I couldn't get it couldn't find out where the short was.

So finally, I just ran another wire.

I blew just ran a blue wire that I had.

I ran it to the tail light and made it work.

So I've contributed to the chaos on this one.

But this car is it missed all of the Miami Vice,

Gimbala slant nose craze that ate up so many nine twelves.

It was never turned into a nine eleven RSR tribute.

It was not turned into a clone of anything.

It's just been a nine twelve its whole life and it just keeps going.

And I had all these ideas about what I was going to do to it.

Then I got it and you can feel the personality of this car.

And yeah, I love it.

And I was joking.

I drove it to I've driven to California a few times and my wife said,

you know, stop collecting tickets because I got one on the Miata.

No, I've not got I never got a ticket.

The Miata got a ticket in the Mercedes.

I got a ticket in the pickup when I was doing an engine swap one time.

But and I joked that it's not fast enough to get a speeding ticket.

And then last year, I did get a speeding ticket

about 200 feet from my house

in a twenty five zone.

I was doing thirty five.

So you got yourself a vintage car.

Yes, absolutely.

Yes, I will I'll I'll I'll I'll send you guys a picture.

But you know, as you know, here is yours.

Sixty eight. Nineteen sixty eight.

As you mentioned, though, you know, we're doing I'm doing terrible potting

because you guys are looking at me while I scroll through my phone

trying to find, you know, a picture of which I have a stack of them.

But I'm also terrible about organizing all of my pictures.

You can remind me a little bit of like a like a James Bond car.

A little bit.

It's it's it's right.

It just reminds me of the air.

Well, just absolutely.

The era of 100 percent, you know, that kind of stuff.

Yes, indeed.

So mental, I've got a problem and you're the maness.

You're the man. Oh, I am.

Never. That has never been true.

But thank you.

You know, it was it's the best transition I can come up with on short.

Mm hmm. That works.

So here it is.

I have a 2009 K-minus.

Yes. No, Fizz.

Well, I didn't you, you know,

it probably applies more to Vicki than to you.

You know, you can't help.

You can't help who you and what you love.

Mm hmm.

Yeah, Vicki chose poorly.

I mean, thank you, but.

Oh, yeah, no, we all we all do that.

Don't don't go on.

The coverage is way everybody.

Everybody knows that.

But tell him what we just purchased.

Oh, you know what we just did?

No, we needed a winter car.

Our daughter was coming back.

Just around town in our winter area.

Little need to, you know,

Vicki drives her Integra Type S,

but we don't want to use that in the winter.

And yes, it's not great.

And I've got the K-minus,

which I use in the summer

and don't want to use that in the winter either.

So I saw for the low price of $10,000,

a Vesta ST.

Oh, yes.

Coptune ECU and coilovers

and like a $4000 exhaust brand new,

like the exhaust is brand like I still smell the exhaust burning in.

Garage kept.

Yeah, no rush.

You know, you know,

this is why I'm terrible at this question, too,

because yeah, I'll tell you my answer right now.

Absolutely.

No, I know, I know that that was it.

But I'm wondering why the K-minus doesn't do anything for me.

Eric says, Eric Kirtzler says,

I need to take it on track before I get rid of it.

He's right.

But I mean, it's also like asking, you know,

oh, why don't you like vanilla over strawberry?

Why don't you like, you know, this flavor over that flavor?

Look, man, you know, it's no fizz.

It doesn't it doesn't scratch the itch.

No. And somebody out there

that K-min will absolutely scratch that itch.

And they should.

They should. It's a great car.

I mean, the guy who had it before me was a local PCA

president chapter.

And can you turn on sharing?

Just it. OK, cool.

So he took care of it and then we quitted on to me.

I bought it from a dealer down here.

There's the mental. Oh, look at that.

Yes. So it's sort of an outlaw.

I've done the wheels, though.

I've got the wheels back to stock.

But yeah, that's this is the car.

Looks like we're going to have a video podcast.

Fun. Yeah. So.

Video podcast.

This will be on about a half hour in, guys.

If.

You know, it's it's on our socials.

I I've posted multiple pictures.

There was an adventure where I drove out to judge

Jeff's birthday birthday party last year

and it died halfway back from the Bay Area.

And I sat on the side of the road for six hours,

arguing with my roadside assistants.

You know, and at end of having to find a local

specialist there, Morgan Hill, that rebuilt the carbs for it.

So, yeah.

Carbs are a skill that's dying.

And this was so it's got a set of webbers on it.

And the previous owner had fought it.

And I had a hack of a time getting it through emissions

and finally did.

And then it went if it and I was basically

taking the plugs out once a month and cleaning them

because they would foul and then they fouled

within a couple hundred miles.

And this guy, BSM Motorsports in Morgan Hill, California.

The guy is a webber whisperer

and he took them all apart and he held up the jets

that he looked at and went, those aren't.

One twenty five or zero twenty fives,

even though they were labeled such somebody drilled them out.

Why we were setting them up for that

and they kept flooding everything.

It just took this guy that was that deep into it.

So he put the proper jets in it and then I got extra

tall air cleaners and velocity stacks.

And it runs runs runs really smooth

right up until the gearbox fell because bigger

is not always better.

No, no, absolutely not.

Especially when you're trying to tune for one thing.

And, you know, and that's just the curse of a car this old.

You're dealing with all the mods that they did.

So Eric is right.

Take your Cayman S, put it on the track, have fun with it.

And you will probably be very impressed with it.

But if you don't love it, you don't love it.

Caymans are wonderfully capable vehicles.

And really so are boxers, which, you know,

people want to try to delineate.

There's no difference between a boxer

and a Cayman other than the roof.

Just the top. But.

Anyway, great, wonderful mid-engine car, Chris and Chrissy,

they they they found a wonderful deal on their boxer.

And I drove it and it's a cool car.

It was or it still is because they sold it

locally in Pennsylvania.

Great car.

The they did the right upgrades on the seats.

Everything was great on that car.

But they also they did not love it.

And, you know, and I actually I did.

I loved my N.D.

And I really thought I would hold on to it until it died.

But the opportunity for this car came along

and it just oozes personality.

So that one.

I think the Fiesta ST is for that kind of money

because you could if it's the same situation

with the Cayman, you can turn around and sell it again.

You don't love it.

But I like it.

Yes, the STs are super fun.

I've had two friends that had them.

And if you remember that the old original

GTIs or the DSM coupes, you know,

there used to be a thing called torque steer

on high performance front wheel drive cars

where he would wrestle the wheel from you.

Yeah.

And I think the the Fiesta ST

is probably the last car that still has that.

Mine doesn't have a lot.

Although it's right now, to be fair,

it's I've I've been driving it on snow tires.

So the tires will start spinning before

any torque steer comes into play.

Yes, I think they said this is like 350 to the wheel.

Yeah. And and if anyone has just discovered this podcast

and they're like, you know, oh, my God,

that Cayman would absolutely, you know,

destroy the Fiesta ST on the track.

Probably. Probably.

But might not be more fun, though.

That you're not going to be grinning nearly as hard.

And, you know, and you guys have driven all manner

of everything on a track and real drive is fun

because you can hang the rear end out

and like like the, you know, Vicky's me out of back there.

You hang the rear end out, you know, a little bit of throttle.

OK, it's cool, you know, and you can correct the trajectory.

But on a mid-engine car, you're just asking for a spin.

And a front wheel drive car, you know,

you just back off the throttle a little bit

and it'll line itself back up and then match the throttle.

And, you know, you still get the smokey tire exit

out of a corner. Yeah, me.

I don't know, Miss Vicky, are you a front

wheel drive or a rear wheel drive right now?

What are you thinking on track?

I like them both now.

Really? I thought you were on the

I thought you were firmly aligned with Jen

and like last year for the front wheel drive.

No, you know, it's.

They're just different.

They are. They're just different.

But they're not that different.

No, ideally, I would like to be able to kind of

do a few more fun things with the

with the front wheel drive, a little bit more.

Like skid paddy things, but being able to rotate

or learn how to do more things with it, maneuvering it.

And I think that's always the argument

of front versus rear, because you your front

is going to be a little more forgiving.

You know, you OK, I've come in this corner too hot.

I want to, you know, I'm just going to push

the throttle and have it pull me through the corner

and, you know, rear wheel drive.

OK, and it's a delicate kind of balance.

But once you it's a this great kind

of fundamental transition as a racing driver,

when you stop looking at the pedals

as devices to change your forward momentum

and you start effectively using them as devices

to aid in changing the direction of the car.

And the same thing with the wheel.

You the wheel now becomes not just an aid

in changing the direction of the car,

but also a device with which you can control your forward momentum.

And with a rear wheel drive car,

once you've made that shift, you have more options.

It's much more nuanced and as much more balanced.

And you have to get to developing that sense

of, you know, but you have more options for the rear wheel drive car.

Our teams have more trouble with the front wheel drive.

Probably because they're trying to drive it

like a real drive and they're just, you know, over driving.

Maybe it's tends to loop.

Well, I only it only happened once.

I'm not talking accidents.

I'm talking spins.

Oh, you guys didn't spin so much with the rear wheel drive.

You spin a good amount with the front wheel drive.

Yeah, I think, yeah, it's a learning curve.

I would say more so.

It's four years.

Yeah, I mean, I'm OK with it.

I'm OK with it now.

And you you're in rear wheel drive and front wheel drive.

That's a conversation.

But also you're talking about the difference

between a mid-engined car, a front engine car.

And, you know, you know,

no one really makes a rear engine car anymore.

And mid-engined cars, they

when you drive on the edge like that,

they they are unforgiving for stepping over the line.

MR2s, boxers, all of it, they they they get.

You know, very punishing.

Uh-huh.

I learned how to drive a bit, not like now,

but a bit when I was younger in the second gen MR2.

So it helps.

Yes, great cars, great cars.

But yeah, it's, you know,

so that could be part of the thing is, you know, it's

it's the Cayman is a much more precise tool

and you cannot paint as broad of a picture

as you would like with it.

And Fiesta, absolutely.

It's graffiti artist.

Wow.

Right? Yes.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's it's OK.

I'm I'm I'm wearing a smock and I'm in a studio

and I'm just slapping paint everywhere and it's hilarious.

That's right.

Policoo.

Yes. No, but it's it's it's fun.

Just the the challenge of driving,

you know, in between them is kind of fun.

Yes. And I'm I'm.

I my younger self hates me for this,

but I'm getting to the point where I care less about speed

and I do care more about fun.

Yeah.

I'm with you.

Yeah, we we had a whole thing.

We had a podcast where I announced that this may be my last year wheel to wheel.

Wow.

Maybe dramatic, what what brought that on?

Risk versus fun.

My fun has always been turns and I can do instruction,

HPD ease, I can do time trials.

I don't have to do wheel to wheel.

Oh, OK, OK, yeah, I'm not I'm not leaving.

You guys are stuck with me.

You know, we got another 200 episodes or so before I'm I'm ramping this podcast up.

But, you know, well, and that that makes total sense, because, you know.

And it's not written in stone.

No, but we have this just absurdist, you know, upper out mentality

and must go faster, must go faster.

And, you know, that that exists outside of racing.

You know, you're bigger, look the patterns are weird.

Oh, if you like, don't want to get promoted at your job, you know,

but I know any number of dozens of people like, no, I'm very happy where I am.

I don't need to be in charge.

I don't need to do anything.

This gives me what I need out of this.

And, you know, racing from the get go is supposed to be about enjoyment

and and what brings you joy and pleasure and what what connects the dots

between, you know, your race weekend and all the mundane crap

you have to do in between it to your next race weekend.

Right. So that that makes total sense.

And so, yeah, you're you.

Well, you're not questioning it, but people would question it.

But it's just it's it's another version of the the Porsche argument.

Yeah.

And, you know, I'm just with the wheels in the trigger, man.

I mean, I like I like doing it.

I like going to the races.

I like I actually like managing a team and helping a team.

Structure, so, you know, but I need to scratch the itch.

I don't have to scratch it with wheel to wheel.

I don't know.

Yes. Yeah.

I there's a Alex Barton.

He he runs.

He's got a Boxster that he built for.

And I met him years ago when he was running with Battlescard Motorsports.

And he has gotten to the point where he is completely content

to build, set up and run the car the whole weekend

and he doesn't need to drive it.

And he still gets the same, if not more, joy from that.

Yeah. I mean, there's a bunch of people who like

turning more than driving and they just want to go turn the wrench.

Yes. Yeah, it's that's not me.

Where do you choose to express, you know, your your outlet of of, you know,

I need to do this thing.

However, I'm just I'm not sure you got a chance to listen to the episode.

However, we have chosen to work with a coach this year.

So maybe I will get off of my plateau and improve and that makes me happy.

And then maybe I will stay or Miss Vicki and I will both be working

with the coach and see if we can get rid of some of the rough edges

and maybe figure out what we've done.

Because I both of us can do the same lap over and over and over.

But we don't get better.

Well, I think he's been getting better recently,

but I've kind of been level for like three years and it's kind of.

You know, there's no much.

We have, you know, the reality is, though, is that Bill

Bill hasn't really engaged in racing in a long time.

He's there, but he I think he has moved on to a new bone to chew.

I can have two bones.

Yeah. So three.

It's like my dog.

Yeah, I need all the bones.

Give me all the bones. That's right.

Especially if.

So we'll figure it out.

It'll be fun.

Yeah. But since we haven't seen you, I'm sorry.

We're talking about, yeah, you're, you know,

you're your recent infatuation with chess.

Yeah. And so, yes, perhaps you're enjoying the strategy of, OK,

how do I position this?

Where do I take advantage of the pit stops?

What what talent pool do I have?

What mechanical pool do I have?

And what is my desired outcome?

And how do I get there from here?

And it's a moving target.

You're trying to lead it the whole time.

And since we started, you know,

we've always been focused on trying to get people started.

Like you guys were the 201 podcasting me over the 101 podcast.

And, you know, sometimes you guys go 301

and sometimes we go 201.

And sometimes you guys go 101.

And sometimes we fail at 101 and just do stumps and stupid.

But, you know, that's how it rolls.

So, you know, if I can get more people in the car, great.

It'll be fun.

Yeah. Well, you know,

odd casting, there's another one.

We actually about a year and a half ago.

And again, on the odd chance

that you don't know of the Everyone Raisers podcast.

What podcast is this, mental?

The Everyone Raisers podcast.

Hopefully Bill will have a link in the show.

Yeah, I think they might be.

I think they might be like, I don't think it's needed,

but there's a link.

But we started.

We we were getting inundated with request for guest.

And, you know, hey, how much would you charge

to endorse this product and that sort of thing?

And we actually had to have.

We just got on and stayed on after recording

and talked about what is it we want out of this podcast?

Because it started as one thing and then became another.

And it kind of, you know, on its own.

And we found ourselves going down

a path that was not bringing us joy.

And so we we.

Admitably refused a couple of things.

And we've had we've had, you know, people come back and say

or we've had people reach out and go, hey, we'd love to have,

you know, these people on your show.

And we look at it go that it's not right for us.

The brothers, the the drag racing brothers

that you guys had, you know, that was a that was a great episode for y'all.

And we talked about that.

And we were just like, they're they're not a fit for what we do.

And I think I think it was way better to have them on your show

than ours for both them and for you, because you guys did all kinds of great

stuff with that. And I remember Uncle Dave was like, oh, my God, garage heroes.

Got the what were those guys' names?

I forget. I'm blanking right now.

Now that you said what's their names.

I'm like, oh, yeah.

But, you know, Uncle Dave knew them immediately.

Oh, yeah. And and he's like, they got him a garage.

How did they get those guys a garage heroes?

Because you helped us.

Well, I it was funny because a woman sent me back an email.

She goes, that is the nicest rejection email I've ever received.

I'll be happy to reach out to Bill and Vicki.

And we've had that.

We've had a couple of weird ones come through and I'm just like, nope,

not our fit.

And then the one we're really excited about is we just had these two guys.

They're they're up near you guys because they're based out of Connecticut.

But race setup pro.

Oh, yeah.

They were they were coming on ours soon.

And then we got tied up with the holidays.

Oh, man, those.

Yeah. And and A, they're great because they're racers.

And I say that as a, you know, they're they get it.

They understand it.

This is not like, oh, we're going to make this program

and we're going to retire off of it.

They're like, I'm tired of being well, not so much like I'm the guy

that everyone always comes up to and ask about their race car setup.

And if there was a way I could automate this,

I could be in more than one place at a time.

And so they did that and they were, oh, man, we had them on the show.

They were so much fun.

They're so interesting.

And that was exactly the kind of thing we want on this show.

So it falls in line with what we wanted for our show now.

And that has changed from what we started with.

And certainly racing is going to change from that.

And, you know, there's probably a time in your development as a driver

where that Cayman would have been too much car.

And now, you know, OK, yeah, got it.

It's perfect.

It's a scalpel.

I can carve through a racer.

Do anything I want.

Hmm.

That's not.

Next.

Yeah.

So, so you guys changed your podcast.

We changed ours a little bit.

We, we like getting people in.

We like helping people get better.

Those are kind of our two things.

And as far as the businesses we go, because we do a lot more

interviews than you guys do.

We don't take any money for it.

We may do something as a trial to see if it's good for our listeners

or we ask them to give a discount to our listeners.

That's it.

That.

And there is something to be said about kind of

recognizing, you know, who brought you to the dance kind of a deal.

And we didn't even ask for the

race setup pro.

They just came out of the gate with a will offer this.

And yeah, have you had a chance to look at it?

I have because we had the fire laps guys on

and we were supposed to have them on the week after

and then schedules got weird.

I think they got sick.

And then I got sick and then holidays came.

So we're going to be like the just before next season.

They'll have one like every month or like six months.

Yeah, it's it's they're great guys and it's a great product.

They're really in it.

It is a it's not another, you know, driving coach box.

It's yeah.

And so it's actually solo.

Yeah, it is something to start help helping you with

how your car gets set up and provide you a database

and then give you something to reference.

Oh, last time at this track in these weather conditions,

this was the setup and this was the result.

And so I can start there as a baseline,

but obviously I've changed as a driver over the time

from the last time around the track to this one.

So I will go in this direction and it will make suggestions

and we will say how well that works.

And then if you come back to it and say,

this suggestion didn't work, you know,

so it's it's a form of an interview loop

provided in a software package.

Because I know this comes as no surprise to either one of you.

I like my Excel spreadsheets.

I know I know you guys are sitting down.

But I have all I have all this data,

but I don't have a good way to use it.

Yes.

You know, like I know all this stuff.

But do I go do I go look up at the last six times

I was at NJP and the weather is totally different

or should I go to Thompson

because the weather is the same as what it was at Thompson.

Same, you know, and this this will help us a lot.

So yeah, absolutely.

It's funny. I am not a math person.

Never have been most likely never will be.

And I am not and I have not been a spreadsheets person.

But my job, what I do for actually paying the bills working.

You mean it's not the podcast wealth

that you guys are accumulating in the bank?

Oh, no, no, that all went on the Porsche.

But which hopefully everyone recognizes that's a joke

because that, you know, that Porsche is like my dog.

It contributes nothing but takes resources

like much like a podcast.

Much like a podcast.

Except except unlike my dog,

the podcast at least brings wonderful people into my life.

So but it it.

My how I do my job and the nature of my job is evolving.

And I have been discovering joy and spreadsheets

and granted like you want to talk about the one on one level.

I'm like grade school level and Excel,

but I have created a lot of I have a lot of Excel spreadsheets at work

that I now use to, especially if I have to do math,

I build the spreadsheet to do it

because I cannot be trusted with math.

I'm to the dark side metal.

I can get I can get you to at least three or one, if not grad school.

Well, one of the things so, you know, we host a large

event three times a year.

And each, you know, we invite

it lends it ends up being about 5,000 people

and, you know, scattered across 80 different organizations.

And they all have to go through processes

and it's all on time based.

And there are things that I need, things that they need for me

and then things that we have to get from third agencies.

And so I now have I built a spreadsheet

for the first time I was in charge of this in twenty two.

And it went through a couple of different people

that have done the same position and came back to me

with all kinds of even better modifications.

And so now we have created this.

This is the central point of contact for everyone to use.

So, you know, our what we have been struggling with is version control.

And but now we've got that in a central repository

and we haven't agreed upon format that guarantees

you always get the latest thing.

And it's everything smoother.

Yeah, it's version control is hard,

especially when some of the restrictions you have with the D.O.D.

Yeah, yeah, you can't use that.

No, I don't understand why I can't go to Google Docs.

No, no drop box.

I did find a drop box that the D.O.D. is OK with.

Yeah, yeah.

And in the yeah, the problem with that is then some of the

because we work with some allies and they don't have access to it.

They don't have access.

That's always fun.

It's so much fun.

It's so good.

Yeah, it's a whole lot easier when I have a Google Doc

that tells me what my next podcast is about.

That's so much.

So, you know, what we should do.

What should we do, mental?

You take you take your you take your mad spreadsheet skills

and we build this loose affiliation of amateur racing podcast.

The FF podcast with Jaime.

And yeah, yeah.

The 99 octane blind apex with Colin.

Yeah. OK.

Yeah, blind and and 99 octane and all of that apex adjacent.

And we build a shared spreadsheet

where we put in what we're talking about this week

and what we talked about last week.

And then we use that as promotion.

So we just do because each podcast just reaches in grabs a random one.

You know, hey, thanks everybody for listening.

And when you're done, go check out the garage heroes in training

because they're going to be talking.

We can do that.

Jeff and Tim from Race Set It Up Pro this week.

Yeah, yeah. And we all and we all just reference that spreadsheet.

We update our own, you know, episode list.

And it gives us a chance to all as a rising tide lifts all boats

kind of self promotion.

So I've got a this will be cut.

But here's here's the idea.

We're all going to switch podcasts on April 1st

and put them out, hosting the other one as the other one.

So that would be funny. Yeah. OK.

Back to the spot.

Well, now you just spoiled it.

No, he's going to cut it.

It's all good. OK.

If you make me edit for your dribbles, I'm going to do one for money.

There you go.

And since you're going to cut this, yes, if you're bored,

go go search for a podcast called Sin City Spent

has nothing to do with cars.

Yes, just me, me and two of my smart ass friends making fun of stuff.

Sorry. So here we go.

Here's here's here's here's the edit.

Didn't.

That's fine.

If you think that works on a podcast, you're crazy.

You don't know. I know. Never meant it.

You've never edited the podcast yet.

Oh, oh, God, I just spent two days.

Oh, no. I know what that hell is like.

Yeah, with and honestly, having my my buddy does,

he is very active in the tech scene here in Las Vegas.

Jason Jason Laduke, he does a wonderful.

And actually, this is a moneymaking podcast called A Leaders Mindset

with Jason Laduke.

I was in the Air Force with Jason.

We were stationed together like three times.

He is a wonderful leader, a tech innovator.

He's very active in the veteran scene.

He's very active.

The city of Las Vegas actually consults with him to do like

incubation for tech companies and that sort of thing.

And so when he started his business, it went one way.

And now he actually is hired to interview other people for other mediums.

And he is hyper organized.

He actually is an aerospace engineer.

He has a T-shirt that he's had for years.

It says, actually, I am a rocket scientist.

And it's true.

And so he has a he's got he actually went and got like one of the slate things.

Oh, the slate.

Yeah, when we did our our show,

he's like, you're going to thank me later.

And he was doing the slate thing and everyone and he was right.

I absolutely I absolutely sitting through all of it because it, you know,

the video, the thumbnails, they all look the same.

And being able to organize and label them

made what would have been, you know, a terrible

event even, you know, would have lasted even longer.

But it's still I'm learning about editing in Adobe.

And it still took. Oh, you're doing Adobe.

Two days. Yes.

Video or just audio?

Video. Oh, yeah.

I use something else.

Adobe's hard.

This was us being a goofball on Saturday.

So I'll send you that link.

This is a podcasting, by the way.

But there's the link.

All right. We're used to doing terrible podcast.

Bored. Yeah. Bored to tears on that.

But we can start talking about the Kings Indian

defense if you want to get bored, mental.

We, yeah, we we probably drank too much.

It came up with a terrible idea.

And then we executed it.

It took we filmed all day and then I spent two days editing that.

I believe that the only mistake you said was probably.

You know, it's it's interesting that you you mentioned chess

because I have been a terrible chess player for.

Oh, come on in mental. Come on.

Let's play 25 years now.

And I play for one.

Yeah. Duolingo has chess.

Do that. Yes.

So in addition to my Spanish, I have I have as part of my quest

last year to, you know, improve myself in areas where I am weak.

I have signed up for Duolingo's math and their chess.

And literally the math is I'm I'm still in like fourth grade.

Just, you know, establishing a much better baseline

because I slept through a lot of math class and then I failed all of it in high school.

So I had when I was in college, I literally had to take math 100,

which is, you know, the O credit pre pre.

Yeah. A no credit class just to get myself through.

And I avoided I did all laboratory based science classes

to avoid any calculus based or an algebra based classes to get my degree.

And so I'm trying to solve some of that because I'm just not good.

So I can only imagine that the chess classes on Duolingo

that I'm taking are exactly the same level.

I'm doing the chess equivalent of two plus two plus two equals.

Question, Mark, I highly recommend the late to chess podcast.

It's made for people who didn't start when they were four years old.

All right, late to chess.

And this is a number because this is podcast heroes in training

where we're just going to talk about every other podcast

we listen to other than our own.

Well, this one is my own.

So it's fine. Wow.

See, there we go.

Did not know that.

I'm having my phone and signing up for that late to chess with the two

as a two, not as a to because, you know, cool kids kind of thing chess.

Vicky Vicky tapped out.

She's like, nope, not doing it.

I don't need another job.

That's what I told him.

I got enough jobs.

She's like, how many jobs do you want me to have?

I said, one less than me. Come on, let's play.

OK. Yeah.

No, but I'm happy that he's doing it.

I really am because it's engaging him intellectually.

It helps my brain.

Yeah, he's always been very much in the game theory

from the time I met him and this is the new game theory.

It also helped.

Thank you.

Don't forget the thumbs up.

Anyway, and so but that probably plays into where you are emotionally

and mentally with racing is, yeah, you know what?

I'm I'm now moved in from just rustling the car around the track

because even if I'm not Lewis Hamilt, well, yeah.

So let's let's say Lewis Hamilt.

Let's just say I'm not Lewis Hamilt.

It's just, for instance, you know, to make everybody else feel good.

It's not Lando Norris level skill,

but you understand how to get a car around a racetrack.

And there was a time when you didn't.

So now not that long ago, actually.

So it does not hold for you the same mystery that it held.

And so yeah, go back to game theory is, OK,

I can get a car around a racetrack.

How do I get four drivers in a car that we built around a racetrack

faster than everyone else or more, more accurately,

more laps than everyone else?

Yeah, that's there.

There's there's engagement to that.

Yeah. And when you got the shiny squirrels that we have, you know,

they don't listen as good as my chess pieces do.

If I put the piece on that square, it goes exactly there.

If I tell Vicki to do something, she says, she says,

did anybody hear anything?

What? But then she has to go make dinner and it's awesome.

It is spectacular.

You know, our padded game is top notch.

It it well and truly is.

I think the last time I occupied the same racetrack, you know,

was pit race a few years ago.

Yeah. Yeah, I think Vicki may do her her bean thing.

And then we found out you were eating meat.

So we're like, oh, well, wasted our time on a vegetarian thing.

Still a great thing.

I did. I tried vegan for a while.

I wasn't, you know, that I that I just didn't like me.

I was trying to do it for vile mental reasons.

And I gave it a good probably two and a half, three year run.

And you did. Yeah.

Tim Burr ruined it for me. Absolutely.

He did.

It was Sonoma and I we I left Sonoma.

Tim Burr doesn't live too far from that track and I was on my way home

and he had everybody over at his place

and he had spent the entire weekend smoking a tri tip.

And it smelled so great.

I'm like, well, we're done with this.

So one of my hobbies that I've picked up

since we have seen each other, because it's been way too long.

Was it one year or two years?

I don't know. So I do.

You know how there's three years?

It's seriously. Yeah.

I I I didn't feel forever.

The I went to New Hampshire.

Last year, twenty twenty five.

Yeah, we did.

And that was my only East Coast event.

So you were there for when we did Top Gun.

That was Pittsburgh.

That was when I wrecked the Mazda three.

Yeah.

So you were doing the Stadler and Waldorf and we were in Top Gun.

The Muppets, yeah.

That was and so that we could have put those two up in a spectacular one.

Yeah. Anyway.

So, uh, huh.

So my my new hobby, because I don't have enough, you know,

is isn't it ski season?

It is.

My knees have my knees have retired from skis.

Yeah.

My new hobby is it's not competitive,

barbecuing like some of our friends have done,

but it is semi competitive with judges, different stakes,

either in preparations or cuts.

So since you were no longer a veggie person,

which I highly commend you for,

because I am a second level vegetarian,

I eat things that eat vegetables.

Yes.

You have the open invite to give me three days.

Notice maybe four and I will have multiple stakes prepared

multiple different ways and you you get to choose which one.

Oh, that. Yeah.

I am I am working through some diet problem.

Well, not issue.

Last year I had starting actually at that race at Pittsburgh

that year.

That was 2020, I would say 2024.

Yeah. Yeah.

That weekend, that was my third race and my fourth wreck.

Yeah, you run a streak there for a little bit.

Yeah, that was and so I spent a lot of 24

getting a battery of medical evaluations and test.

OK, that's good.

And, you know, just some other

physiological issues that I was having

and it was just one of these, you know, get over yourself

and get things checked out.

So they did a brain scan and didn't find anything.

Yeah, I had I had I had two MRIs and

yeah, two MRIs and then two CAT scans.

And there is a pinched series of nerves in my neck.

And I was getting some.

I had it and then we we made some diet,

but I was getting benign positional vertigo just, you know,

just would kind of be all dizzy for no foreseeable known reason.

And I was doing some home remedies on that.

But we I had to make some diet and exercise changes,

lifestyle changes.

And so that has cured that.

But now just in recent days, I have it's been

kind of coming back a little bit.

Different inputs are causing it.

And I have a series of exercises that I have to do.

So now I I'm glad that I'm not vegan,

because I'm also I am retraining for the Vegas half marathon.

And it is I am much more sensitive

to what I'm eating than I was in the past.

And so I'm having to really kind of like, OK,

I need protein at this time and I need carbs at these times

and I need this much and that much.

And I'm having to pay attention to all of that.

And and if you're vegan or vegetarian, good on you.

And I hope it lasts for as long as it possibly can.

I would not be able to function at the physical level

I function at right now with this.

I just wow.

Yeah, the things that I can't eat anymore

and the things that I can't do anymore, you know,

and still try and maintain a level of physical activity

that I want to maintain.

So so what you're saying is you actually have to start taking care of yourself.

Yes, but it's it's it's more it's the youngest person on this podcast right now.

But the third best looking so.

Well, definitely definitely second.

I'll go with second for sure.

I want to stay out of the bathtub tonight.

Yeah, but I I.

Yeah. And it's and I would tell you

that I've taken care of myself for a while,

but it involves so much more detail than it used to.

And you just have to like, oh, my God, all right.

I feel like crap.

What did I eat yesterday?

So I actually like if I I'm not 100 percent,

but I try and keep a food diary and an exercise diary.

OK, what, you know, what's I need a spreadsheet, really.

And I can do that for you.

Start relating, you know, what did what

and how long was the delay from that eating that to this effect kind of a deal?

So, yeah, it's it's annoying.

It's just a whole lot easier when I could stay up all night,

wake up at the morning, drink two cups of coffee, smoke three cigarettes,

and then go till noon.

And I can't do that anymore.

Just tell me what you want.

I'll take care of you.

You want to spread to you.

So what's the ideal diet for you now?

So with with my running,

I I try to my wife actually makes these really great little breakfast sandwiches

on English muffins and with spicy chorizo and cheese and all that kind of stuff.

So I will have one of those before I go to my morning workout.

And then for the longest time last year, right up until like November,

I deliberately would just eat.

I would try to eat a salad, just a salad,

maybe like a ham salad or something for lunch,

because anything else, I would just start literally nodding off at my desk at two o'clock.

My job is very sedentary, which is a challenge as well.

And so now I have to eat very light.

So I eat a salad.

But then when I started the my running training again,

I was just weak.

I just felt physically incapable.

So I've had to up my protein.

So now I eat a salad with a can of tuna dumped on it every day for lunch.

And then I try not to have

like heavy complex carbs

with before seven o'clock.

So because I'll have some sugar, not much, but a little bit of sugar.

And I try not to use any artificial sugars.

I try to just just really just regular sugar.

I drink the Mexican coax with the cane sugar.

And that's really the only sodas I take in.

And so then I will have some some sort of protein augmentation

in the afternoon.

And I have found that that is really I feel a lot better when I have to go,

especially for a distance run, if I if I adhere to that schedule.

So that's what I'm doing right now, and we'll see how that plays out.

Because now I am making there's a it's a shift.

I need to make a jump where I'm starting to put in some bigger mileage.

So tomorrow is a seven mile day.

I've got to get to 13 before February.

And and I want to try and maintain that.

But to confuse things further, I'm going back into weightlifting.

I'm doing yoga nowadays, and I am working with a myofascial specialist.

Oh, I love that.

Yes, she was working with Ranger Road.

So she was she was doing massages.

And I've never been a massage person.

I don't particularly. That's different, though.

It is. And that was my thing is I was I was resistant to it

because I don't like people touching me.

And which is hilarious because I'm married to Hispanic and now we hug.

I hug everybody, but I just don't like, you know, people without my last name

rubbing on me and she that's it.

It's it's a completely different time. We were either mental.

Yeah, it's certain people.

But I'm so she this was last year

or I'm sorry, not even last year, two years ago at Sonoma race.

And I was having some, you know,

range of motion issues and she did.

It's just like literally just a fingertip on this nerve and moving around.

And it was impressive.

And she was doing it for a lot of the veterans and it worked.

And then she was at the race again.

And she did it again because I've started having some shoulder pain

and some other phantom nerve pain.

So, yeah, it's it's an immensely more complicated process.

You know, I'm I am no longer a Indy Miata.

I am now a 68 Porsche and I require a lot of attention

and hard to get parts and I'm broken.

So you just want somebody to make sure your.

So the idea of myofascia

massages is as it was explained to me is that as you as you get older,

sometimes your muscles, I wouldn't say they harden,

but they end up restricted in in your body.

And what this does is it goes in and it start when these type

of massages go in and they break up these fibers that are in your muscles

that have kind of hardened over time and they're kind of like really small.

And once you feel that release, you can't unfeel it.

So, you know, you can you can actually

after you go through these processes and once you know what it feels

like, you can actually start maneuvering and manipulating and stretching your body.

And then you can feel a tight center in your body.

And then you would just keep pressing into it with your stretches.

And it's an incredible feeling because it won't release right away.

But after you keep pressing on it, you can almost manipulate

your skeleton from the inside of your body to press on those inner muscles.

If once you feel like a hardened pressure point.

Yes, it's an incredible feeling once they release

and then all your motion starts to come back.

But and there is a tendency of humans.

And when you when this won't move this way,

the rest of your body engages to compensate for that.

And yes, you're you're off balance, which just leads to more problems.

Most if you really think about it, most of your pain is soft tissue.

Or it's created in your bones from soft tissue.

Yes. And I have been ignoring pain

and ignoring things in my body for decades.

And because, you know, well, I'm not going to fix that.

It works. I just I just do this.

I just move like that.

I just do these things and I can't I just do a quick stretch

and take a hot shower and out the door, not even not even that.

You know, I'm just, you know, if you guys remember,

you know, when I had the limp for ever because I had a bone spur

digging into the nerve of my Achilles tendon.

And I was still running.

I was running marathons doing this.

And then the next day this that foot would not move.

And when I finally like, OK, you know, this is, you know, quit

just trying to butch your way through this and go see a specialist.

And the doctor when they when I finally get that removed,

the doctor was like, ah,

that's the biggest bone spur I've ever seen.

And I was like, well, did you save it?

He goes, oh, man, no, I should have.

Dang, you know, I can put a hole in it and carry it around my neck.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So, you know, I'm trying to undo a lot of of habits of,

you know, my childhood and my my military career.

You don't you don't open up to pain.

You don't and it's not even like admitting it to other people.

You don't admit it to yourself.

Just no, you don't hurt hard enough.

Do what you got to do.

And there's a time for that.

But that time is not when you're 55 years old

and trying to run another half marathon and strap yourself into a race car

six, seven times a year.

It's that that is no longer the time if you want to grow old and healthy.

I've got two guys at work with that are older than me that are diabetic

and one of them just absolutely ignored it, like just white knuckled

through it and finally was having an issue and he went in there

and the doctor was checking out his foot and the doctor's poking his foot.

And he goes, oh, yeah, I haven't felt anything in that foot for years.

You know, they end up having to cut his foot off.

He's got a he's got a prosthetic leg now.

And his wife, just absolutely wonderful woman, just lost it.

You know, you said from now on, you're going to start eating right.

You're just, you know, OK, OK, I'm sorry.

I'm very, very, very sorry, you know, and just had to get him over himself.

And the other guy who is very honest about his diabetic.

He goes once once every two weeks, I go to a Korean nail parlor

and I have them do my toes.

You know, I get I get a pedicure because they will notice

anything wrong with my feet.

And that's an indicator of something that is going wrong with my diabetes.

And that's that's how he keeps track of that.

And you know, this guy was a, you know, FB 111 crew chief for years.

You know, these are tough macho kind of people.

And so to meet people like that, that is, you know, that, you know,

this admitting that you're something is going with your body is no longer

a weakness. And in fact, being able to recognize that and address it

is a strength. And so, you know, it's kind of one of these.

I've got these multiple influences in my life that are, you know,

it's still, despite all of that, it is a hard habit to break.

Yeah. Yeah.

I sent you a link in the chat mental for a book.

I did see that for an Amazon product.

I don't know if you're familiar with them.

They sell books. Oh, excellent.

There are a couple other things too, but, you know, they have it as a

audio book.

If you guys get out here, well, especially if you come to Sonoma,

I'll introduce you to Jessica Beeching.

So her bit is its junkyard massage because she grew up in a parts

yard and, you know, her dad even came up with the name for it.

So yeah. And she what's funny is she is into the myofascial

of the release and she'll set up her table at the Sonoma races

and instantly is usually booked up.

Dr. Mary Harris will go in there.

Corey was having horrible back pain during the Sonoma race.

And she was he was like getting where he couldn't walk.

And she would like you could tell when he would get off the table,

he would walk so much better.

So yeah, there's there's something to all of that.

Well, since you since you brought it up for us coming out there.

Yes. June 10th through 14th.

Yes. I have a chess tournament.

Oh, and Miss Vicki will be bored here less if I go to a chess.

OK, so hold on.

Chess Tournament here in Las Vegas.

Yeah. That is amazing.

Give me just one second here.

There's two. So that's that's one one window. OK.

And I figure I can bash my head against the board and Miss Vicki

can go have fun with you and then we'll catch up in the evening.

All right. So June, let us look at the schedule

because I'm not you said June 10 through 14, 10 to 14.

OK, Vicki, you need to reach out to Chris and Vicki

or Janet Tom Webb, because that is the regular high planes race in Colorado.

The regular eight hour.

So fly here, fly here with Bill.

I can drop Bill and go get up and I'll I'll hand you off to my Vicki

and you and my Vicki can go do all the nerdy stuff

and go to the museums and go to the casinos and go to the shows.

And then that Thursday will drive to Colorado for the race.

Because the the other one is July 31st through August 2nd.

July 31st through August 2nd is terrible for me.

That is obviously we're doing the other one.

Well, no, do them both.

But again, my wife will be bored to tears because that is red flag

and that is our big one and I will be I will be working 12 hour days.

All right. So pencil us in for 10 through 14 plus a couple of days.

I have to tell you, I have never stood next to another Vicki.

Yes, you have never. No, 100 percent.

Who? Why were you called V1 and she was called V2?

Oh, that's right.

There was another Vicki.

I played volleyball with her.

Yeah, it was like it was like when I was in my 20s.

Yeah. Yeah.

You know what fun it is when you're when you're playing volleyball

and you tell Vicki to go get the ball and there's two of them.

Yeah, it was a hot mess.

And there's a hot mess.

Yeah, V1 and V2.

Bunk their coconuts. It was great.

And then then I said, how about you be V1 and you be V2?

And she's like, why are very rare?

I'm like, why?

She's like, why?

Why should I be V2?

I said, because I came up with the idea.

And if I make her V2, that's not going to go over well.

And she's like, fair.

So you you're talking to V1 and that was V2.

Yeah.

And those situations, you have to like, you know,

come up with equally complementary names, you know,

like we we, you know, Air Force culture, everything's call

size and we have a Rocky that is working in our office

and she is every bit of five foot.

And right up until right up till the beginning of this year,

we had another Rocky that he was the and he's six foot two.

And, you know.

And so, yeah, now we have to it's big Rocky and new Rocky.

Well, at least in Rocky and Bullwinkle.

So that would probably be better.

Yes, would not have gone over well.

Well, it sounds like we've got a joke

because she's a flying squirrel, but yeah.

Oh, there you go.

It sounds like we've got a plan to get together for 2026.

This is great.

And then was the subtle reason he gets a new racetrack under her belt.

I know. And I don't, you know.

Yeah, I'm actually looking forward to 2026.

Hopefully it won't be so chaotic or not as chaotic

or we're more prepared for the chaotic.

I saw one of the memes that was, you know,

nobody say 2026 is my year.

Just kind of walk in quietly.

Don't touch anything.

Just, just, you know.

I saw that I don't want any new years.

I just want a good used one like in 1995

or like a 2000 would be great.

You know, I'm OK with no more new years.

I want a used one.

Yeah, yeah. Low mileage.

Low mileage. Or just well maintained.

Well maintained.

Yeah. A new to me year.

How about that? A new to me year.

Yeah. Yes. That's right.

Yeah. So yeah, I'm looking forward to.

I'm going to go into much more training this year.

And, you know, we didn't open up our garage

until like August last year.

Because, you know, as you know, Bill lost his mom

and, you know, my sister got diagnosed with cancer

and we had some other things that were going on.

And and just the capacity just wasn't there.

We had a friend of ours.

Well, Jeremy loaned us the race truck.

Wow. And then, you know, right around August,

I started putting the Honda back together.

And we got it.

We ended up running with Jeff and Chris.

I mean, Jeff and Eric on our team

and they really helped me out.

There were still things that were wrong that I missed,

like bolts that I thought were there or were tightened and weren't.

But it came back from the shop and it's really kind of hard to do.

You know, you could do all the nut and bolt.

And I even had Jeremy do the nut and bolt and it still wasn't right.

But it was the first run after like a hit.

So, but anyway, we got it all squared away.

And so the car will be a much better condition

when we put it back on the track the second time.

We have a big checklist.

But then I'm just going to start going out and go for training.

I'm just going to start training.

Yeah. And then, you know, training is great, too.

And then just some of it's just reputation.

Do the same thing. Do it again. Do it again.

Yeah. Do it again.

Well, we we don't have pit in the early spring,

so we're going to find a place to fill.

We've got to fill that hole now.

Yeah. Well, we'll see, because I know they were.

I think they pushed it out to Ohio.

That race, they did a spring race.

That is I'm I'm very excited that they're going to Mid-Ohio.

I love Mid-Ohio.

It's a fun little track.

It is actually that one's in the fall.

I think the spring race is Nelson and where to go.

I'm just I'm looking at the schedule right now.

So I'm not sure.

Ohio and lemons are going to get along.

I don't.

Yeah. So June is Nelson's at the end of June.

And then I think Mid-Ohio is April, actually,

now that I say this out loud.

Yes, Mid-Ohio, April 12th.

I love Mid-Ohio. I do.

I've I've had many a great race at Mid-Ohio.

One of my friends a few years ago,

like retired and bought a track of land

that backs up to Mid-Ohio on the backside

right at the where madness is.

You can walk through the woods at his house

and come out right over there and hear the cars and everything.

So and it just, you know, Mid-Ohio has been his spiritual home

and his wife and her daughter is now got accepted to Miami.

She's there in the physics program and all of them race.

They race all the time and they they have a, you know, great time doing all of that.

And yeah, I think it's going.

I asked to work that race as well.

I know Eric has a ton of work to do with all of the judges that he has

and getting everything balanced and keeping everything new and fresh.

So I am hoping to get out there for that race,

because I do truly enjoy being at Mid-Ohio.

It's Mid-Ohio reminds me of V.I.R.

and Road Atlanta and Road America.

And even we mentioned Willow Springs, you know,

tracks that weren't designed to mimic turns of other tracks.

They were just old tracks where somebody kind of looked at the land

and went, the road should go that way.

We'll figure it out.

And Mid-Ohio has that feel.

It's been there forever.

It's Mid-Ohio is what gave us Dale.

Really? Oh, he got to start parking cars at Mid-Ohio.

And then he he'll tell you the tale of a guy came through

and parked his car.

Hey, you can't park there. It's OK. No, it's not OK.

Guy told me you can't park there.

All right, I'm going to get in trouble if you park there.

Move your car, park it over there.

And the guy came up to him later and said,

do you know the guy you yelled at?

Yeah, he goes, well, that's the guy that owns the track.

He goes, oh, well, I've had fun doing this job.

He goes, nope, nope, the guy likes you.

I said, you wouldn't let him get away with anything.

So he knows that you're keeping everybody else in line.

And then he was end up racing cars out of there for a little while

and then moved into what he does now.

Dale's awesome.

So I yeah, I would encourage everyone to give Mid-Ohio a shot.

It is a that is a that's a fun old school track.

All right, 26th National Open.

Yeah, we've been there a couple of times.

It's awesome. All right.

Unless it's raining.

Yeah. All right. You.

Oh, it's at the West Gate,

that your chess tournament is at the West Gate.

You're going to love the West Gate.

That's where if you have not seen the movie Elvis,

but it that's where when it was at the time, the Hilton.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So I don't think the hard into their Elvis heritage

at the West Gate.

I don't think Vicki's ever been to Vegas.

What?

Serious, you're missing out.

We've got all kinds of great museums.

We've got the punk rock museum, the atomic test museum,

the mob museum, the food is great.

There's great food in the casinos.

There's also great food nowhere near the casinos.

It depends on what you want.

I plan on I plan on having a ratio of at least one to one

Mexican food to days like today's.

I'm there at least one to one, maybe more,

quite easy to do.

I know where you are the West Gate,

because it's not on the strip.

Yeah, you know, I don't have to stay there.

That's just where the where the game.

Oh, OK. Yeah.

Do you know where you're staying?

Well, I mean, I can.

They don't, you know.

Oh, no, the West Gate is a wonderful property.

You will not be disappointed staying at the West Gate.

Casa de Mentos, much more fun, though.

Casa de Mentos is still going on

sixth year renovation, our six month renovation.

OK, you know, I've seen you work on cars.

I expect no less there.

Yeah.

The only thing differences

is you can't like lose a bolt underneath your house.

Well, you probably could.

Yeah, you underestimate my ability to lose things.

Yeah, true.

Well, this sounds like 26 is already about to a better start

than 25, because we're going to go bother mental this year.

I wouldn't say you're bothering me, Bill.

It's OK.

We are due to start traveling.

No, that's great.

And, you know, it's one of those things, too.

We're like, you know, as much as I love racing,

you know, maybe your life shouldn't center around it.

You know, you get those, you know, alternate pursuits.

Yeah, absolutely.

You come out here, be a foodie, be a booze hound,

be a history nerd.

There's all kinds of if you if you hate cities,

there is wonderful hiking in every direction.

If you're a video game nerd, you come out here.

I always tell everybody, you know, the new season of fallout

came and it the video game starts at the Pioneer Saloon.

That's a real place.

About 45 minutes from my house.

It's in, you know, in fact, took the whole gang there

when they came out for the Las Vegas rally last year.

Cool. Yeah.

Yeah, we haven't done a rally out west either, my dear.

Yeah.

Well, there's the Colorado rally

and you've got multiple friends in Colorado.

We do.

We are going to end up having to go to Colorado.

We have too many people that we know out there now.

Yeah, yeah.

For the Las Vegas rally, it was kind of accidental,

but it was hilarious.

Dean Halter and his brother, Darrell,

both sent their rally cars to my house.

So I had a 66 Oldsville Toronto

and a 77 Ferrari 408 in my driveway.

And you must have a lot of driveway

for one of those cars.

Yeah, that tornado is so cool.

If it did not have black interior,

I would have tried to find a way to keep it.

That was a great car.

And there's a perfect example of decisions for mental.

Yeah, the the funny thing is now I have established

if there's something dumb in the parking lot,

everyone comes to my desk and goes,

what was that that you drove in?

Shoe fits, man.

Pretty much.

That's awesome.

Well, I know you're going to go run off to a workout

and we're we're only halfway to to a new record.

So I'm thinking we just instead of going for the record,

we're going to go for part two.

Oh, OK.

So we could we could we could put a bow on this one right here.

We could. We could.

We could. We might, you know, we could do.

We could do a live one in June.

Oh, that that's a great idea.

You know, I've got friends with podcasting studios

or we go even full nerd and we do it next to the pool at the Westgate.

Whatever you want, sir.

You have home to home turf.

You get to you get to name the place.

Your venue is yours.

Yeah, we will find we will find just a super cool place

to do an episode. That's a great idea.

We could come out the weekend before

and we could go to Vegas Raceway.

We could do anything we want.

Yes, absolutely weekend before.

Sorry. So what is the what is the weekend

before like sixth or something the June?

OK, so yeah, you guys are coming out to the 13th.

Oh, the weekend before is New Jersey.

You guys sure about that?

Oh, the weekend before.

Yeah, we're going to leave after Jersey. OK.

All right. We didn't say we were smart, but we just said we were.

No, no, no, no, so you get out here on a Monday.

All right, that's great.

Indeed. Well, you know, or stay a little bit longer

because, you know, we raise the 13th and 14th

and then Vicky and I can come back from Colorado and, you know,

maybe my brain should be putting by the end of this.

Which is just perfect for Vegas.

So exactly.

Let's make dumb decisions and not be mentally smart.

OK, this is good.

This won't cost me money at all.

Exactly. We built a whole economy on that one.

The lifestyle on that 100 percent.

How much do you want to spend as much as you want to spend?

We have the technology.

Exactly. Yeah. Precisely.

This is great.

I will send you because you need more podcasts,

but I'll send you a link to a podcast about the mob in Las Vegas.

It's three seasons and then you can go to the museum

and you'll you'll learn all about it.

And we can go have a dinner at Oscar Goldman's

or Oscar. I was going to say six million dollar, man.

Yeah, Oscar Goodman, Oscar Goodman's restaurant

at the Plaza, his steakhouse there.

And so and Oscar Goldman, it's very different from Oscar Goodman.

Yeah, exactly.

One six million dollars, but the other one is probably more.

Way more. Absolutely.

You know, yeah.

So you know, lawyer to the mob and then he was the mayor,

then his wife was the mayor and, you know, now he's a business owner.

And yeah, voterly vote often.

Yes. Well, and it's funny because, you know,

it's easy to develop an attitude on him and then you listen to him

on this podcast and it's just, you know, darn it,

if he is not the most charming guy, you just can't help it like him.

Indeed. Mental.

Plug the podcast one more time just so we have.

Oh, well, thank you.

So we we are everyone racers podcast,

which as Bill mentioned, the 101 version of this.

And really, we're not even that anymore.

Our whole thing now is just make a make a well informed bad decision

because between myself, Chris Abbott, his wife,

Chrissy, Matura and Timber, we have made a lot of dumb decisions

and we're not even close to being done with those dumb decisions.

And we learn lessons from those bad decisions

and we pass those lessons on to you.

But you don't pass them on to yourself, mental.

Oh, no, no, absolutely.

I make completely new bad decisions.

You know, I thought you're on your second lap on a couple of them.

Oh, no, no.

You know, I I I actually broke even as far as projects

because I did shed some projects, but then I picked up another one.

So, you know, we're we're working on that.

I'm still working on less projects, more toys.

There you go. That's always fun.

Sir, always great, mental.

Thank you. I think you're reaching out.

And I sincerely, you guys look great.

I hope you have a wonderful and happy new year.

Stay warm up there because that looks miserable.

So it is pretty cold.

I'm seeing.

And single digits haven't already told your Clemson employee this.

You ask them, do you know where you buy lingerie for a pig?

Weston, you know, Clemson. Oh, very nice.

That one's for you, Weston.

That's right, because it was originally in agricultural school.

So we just, yeah, growing up in that growing up in that area,

you never miss a chance to make a crack.

Nope, not at all.

Indeed, sir. Well, thank you, mental. Always fun.

All right. Thank you, guys, both.

Thank you. We'll talk soon. All right.

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