The Ford Mustang is a sports car made by Ford. People talk about it a lot because it’s known for being fun to drive and it has had many versions over the years. In the episode, it’s used as a familiar reference to a “Ford performance” type of car.
They’re talking about why different car YouTube shows don’t team up together much, even though it seems like it should be good for everyone. They also mention that legal or business issues might be getting in the way.
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Chris Harris on the Throttlehouse Boys Show
They’re bringing up a famous car personality (Chris Harris) showing up on another car show. It’s an example of the kind of crossover they want more of.
They mention Donut Media as an example of a car channel that does collaborations with other car shows. It’s part of their argument that crossovers should be more common.
They name Chasing Cars as one of the car channels in Australia that they think should team up with other shows. It’s used to illustrate the “why don’t they collaborate?” theme.
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Drive
They bring up Drive as an Australian car show/channel that they think should do more collaborations. It’s mentioned to highlight the lack of crossovers.
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court case
They’re saying there may have been a legal dispute that makes some shows avoid working together. It’s not about car tech—just why collaborations might be blocked.
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Piggerio sport video
They’re talking about how if you watch one car video/channel, you’ll often end up watching a few other similar ones too. The exact channel name in the transcript is a bit unclear.
They’re talking about people who make their living covering cars in the media. The point here is how that community can act socially, not a technical car topic.
They’re using “old boys club” to mean a closed-in group that runs things the same way for years. Here, they’re saying some traditional car journalism felt like that—exclusive and a bit outdated.
They’re talking about reviewing cars that have already been owned. Used cars are different from new ones because you have to think about what happened to the car before you buy it.
A press junket is a sponsored trip for media people to check out new cars. It usually comes with perks, so it can feel more like a vacation than a tough test.
A warranty is the guarantee that the company will pay for certain repairs for a while. The host is saying new cars often come with big warranty coverage, which makes them easier to buy.
A gearbox is the part that helps the engine’s power work at different speeds. If it gets damaged during a bigger failure, repairs get much more expensive.
They’re saying that the more complicated a car gets, the more things there are that could break. And when lots of computers are involved, they all have to work together correctly.
Cars today have computers that send messages to each other. If one computer or message link has a problem, other parts of the car can act weird too.
Term
headlight goes out
They’re saying if a headlight stops working, you may not be able to just replace it like a simple bulb. The car’s electronics can require extra steps to get the new light working properly.
An ECU is the car’s main computer for the engine. It controls things like how much fuel gets injected and when the engine sparks, and it has to talk to other car computers.
The body control module is another car computer, but it handles the “body” stuff like lights and power accessories. If it can’t communicate properly with the rest of the car, weird electrical problems can happen.
Modern cars have multiple computers that need to “talk” to each other. If they don’t, the car can act up in ways that are hard to fix, even if the original damage was minor.
The Porsche Cayman is a sports car made by Porsche. It’s designed to handle well, with the engine placed toward the middle of the car. The podcast brings it up as a reference point for what a certain budget can get you.
EV just means an electric car. In this segment, they’re talking about how EVs can feel more like a convenient gadget than a traditional car you connect with.
This means making small setup changes to how the suspension is positioned. Those changes can make the car handle better and feel more precise when you drive it.
The BMW X5 is a luxury SUV. The point here is that even after many years, it can still feel pretty similar to older versions, with only small tech changes.
Electrification means switching cars from gas engines to electric cars. They’re debating whether it could be pushed faster than the charging setup can handle.
Charging infrastructure means the places and power systems needed to charge electric cars. The point is that there may not be enough charging capacity for everyone at once.
Trickle charging is slow charging for an electric car. They’re saying that if it’s just slow charging, you can’t realistically charge a lot of cars at the same time.
These are the places you plug an electric car into to charge it. If the chargers aren’t working, you can’t top up when you need to, and your trip can turn into a long wait.
Tesla is an EV maker, and they also run a lot of charging infrastructure. The point here is that the speaker feels Tesla chargers tend to work more reliably than some other brands’ chargers.
This is about whether the charging system is dependable. If the chargers keep failing, it makes EV driving harder even if the cars themselves are good.
The Tesla Model Y is an electric SUV, meaning it runs on electricity instead of gasoline. It’s made for regular daily driving and it’s a popular Tesla model. The podcast brings it up when talking about what performance or features you might get.
BYD is a company that makes batteries and electric vehicles. The hosts are saying that when BYD improves battery technology, newer EVs can be much better than older ones.
The Tesla Model S is an electric car with a sedan body. Because it’s electric, it depends a lot on computers and electronics to run properly. The episode mentions it when talking about problems or differences related to the car’s computer hardware.
A software update is like installing new computer instructions for the car. The concern they’re raising is that an update can sometimes cause problems if the car’s hardware isn’t compatible.
Infotainment is the car’s integrated system for screens and functions like navigation, media, and many vehicle settings. The hosts say center-console screen software can control a lot of what happens in the car, so software problems can affect more than just entertainment.
A touch screen is a display you interact with directly using your fingers instead of buttons or knobs. In cars, it often replaces physical controls for functions like media and sometimes climate, which changes how quickly you can operate them while driving.
Automatic emergency braking is a car feature that can brake by itself if it thinks you’re about to hit something. If it activates at the wrong time, it can be scary and distracting.
This is a safety system that tries to spot an accident before it happens and warns you. If it’s too sensitive, it can start braking or yelling at you even when there’s no real danger.
ANCAP is a group that tests cars for safety and sets standards for what counts as “safe.” The host’s point is that companies might focus on passing the tests rather than making the safety tech work smoothly in everyday driving.
Lane keeping assist tries to keep the car from drifting out of its lane. If it grabs the steering too aggressively, it can feel like the car is fighting you instead of helping.
The Suzuki Jimny is a small SUV that’s made to handle rough roads better than many normal cars. It’s compact, but it’s designed for off-road use. The podcast brings it up as a recognizable small off-road option.
The Porsche 911 is one of the most famous sports cars ever made. The host is using it as a reference for the kind of car it is and how people talk about it.
The Aston Martin DB5 is a famous classic car, especially because it’s associated with James Bond. The host is saying it gets attention even if it isn’t the quickest by today’s standards.
The DB4 is a classic sports car made by Aston Martin. The podcast mentions it to make a point about how it performs compared to what someone might expect. It’s used as an example from the past.
A lift means raising the car higher off the ground. That helps it clear rocks and ruts when you go off-road.
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kei-car regulations
Kei-car regulations are Japanese rules that make certain small cars stay within strict size and engine limits. That’s why kei cars and kei trucks are usually tiny and easy to maneuver.
RPM means how many times the engine spins each minute. 15,000 rpm is extremely high and usually points to a motorcycle-style engine that’s meant to rev fast.
“Bogged” means the vehicle loses momentum and traction and can’t keep moving, often because the wheels can’t generate enough grip. In a supercar context, it usually points to low-speed traction issues or getting stuck in soft ground.
The Honda Civic is a common everyday car that’s made for commuting and daily driving. People often choose it because it’s practical and straightforward. The podcast mentions it as the car someone would drive instead because the other option is troublesome.
Lane keep assist is a feature that tries to keep you in your lane. Instead of gently steering you back, it can slow one side of the car to pull you toward the lane, and they hated how it felt.
The Chevrolet Corvette is a sports car made by Chevrolet. It’s known for being fast and for having a recognizable design. In the episode, it’s mentioned as the car someone would choose over another controversial option.
“Manual” means you shift gears yourself instead of the car doing it for you. The host is saying that this makes the supercar more difficult and more skill-dependent to drive.
“Tactility” is how “connected” a car feels to your hands and feet. The idea is that the car gives you clear feedback, instead of computers taking over when you make a mistake.
This refers to modern electronic driver-assistance and vehicle control systems that intervene to stabilize the car, manage traction, and limit certain behaviors. The speaker’s point is that earlier cars felt more “mechanical,” so driver mistakes were less masked by electronic safety nets.
The BMW M3 is BMW’s “serious performance” version of the 3 Series. It’s the kind of car enthusiasts talk about because it’s built to feel engaging to drive, not just to be fast.
The BMW E30 is an older BMW 3 Series generation that many car fans love. It’s remembered for being more “hands-on” and less dependent on computers than newer cars.
The Ineos Grenadier is a tough off-road SUV from the company Ineos. People talk about it because it’s built to handle rough terrain and feel more rugged than most modern cars.
It’s a truck-style frame where the car’s body sits on a rigid “ladder” of metal beams. That design is popular for off-road vehicles because it can handle rough terrain and heavy loads.
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off-road comfort tradeoff
Off-road vehicles are often bouncy or noisy on regular roads. This is about getting the best of both worlds—good control off-road and a nicer ride on-road.
Insulation is the material that helps keep outside noise and vibration from getting into the cabin. More insulation usually means a quieter, smoother ride.
Owners groups are places where people who already have the car talk about what it’s like to live with. They’re a way to learn common problems and what owners really enjoy.
Term
backup service
By “backup service,” the host means what help you can expect later—like repairs and getting replacement parts. They’re asking whether support stays available after the initial excitement fades.
Term
Borg Warner diffs
A differential is the part that lets the wheels turn at different speeds, which helps the car grip and turn properly. The host is mentioning BorgWarner as the likely supplier of those differential parts.
Ineos Chemicals is the company Sir Jim Ratcliffe made his money from. The story is that his business success helped fund his interest in the Defender licensing.
Warranty coverage is when the manufacturer agrees to pay for certain repairs. Here, they’re saying the modifications should have made the repair not covered, but the company still helped.
The Toyota Land Cruiser 70 series is a classic, very capable off-road truck. The hosts are basically saying that if you try to upgrade a 70 series to match what the Ineos includes by default, it can cost a lot.
The Land Rover Defender is a famous off-road SUV. The hosts are saying newer Defenders can feel more like a stylish, expensive vehicle people don’t want to use hard—especially off-road.
The Porsche Cayenne is a luxury SUV. The hosts are comparing the Defender’s current image to the Cayenne—something that looks capable but is often treated more like a status vehicle than a real off-road tool.
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Gordon Ramsey
They use a restaurant story as a metaphor: it’s like paying for the best meal but just taking a photo instead of eating it. The point is that people buy rugged cars but don’t really use them.
JLR is short for Jaguar Land Rover, the company that makes Land Rover cars. They’re talking about what owners say goes wrong and how that affects the brand’s reputation.
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owners scripts
They mean the typical stories people repeat in owner groups—like “I’ve had problems, but not as bad as people say.” It’s about how owners talk, not a specific car part.
They’re using “lucky dip” to say you might get a good experience or a bad one, kind of randomly. It’s not a technical feature—just how unpredictable ownership feels.
A restomod is an older car that’s been restored but also updated with newer parts. Here, the host is talking about fans doing engine swaps to make older off-roaders more usable today.
An engine swap means putting a different engine into a car than it originally came with. The host is using it as an example of how people modify older cars in the restomod community.
An “LS V8” is a modern GM V8 engine family that’s popular for engine swaps. The host is saying it’s a great engine to put into an older car because it’s a proven, swap-friendly choice.
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do know where Paul is, but I'm not allowed to tell anyone. He's getting transgender surgery.
It's about time.
Well yeah, I mean the gender realignment thing was like the final I guess nail in the coffin, so to speak.
He really needed it and wanted it and something he dreamed about, and he just wanted a straight penis.
So I can't believe like a guy that is attractive as he is can be even more attractive.
Yeah, well, I don't know at this point if he's a guy or a girl.
Okay, I'm going to stay quiet at this point because I've never actually met Paul before I take his job forever.
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He smells good too. In fact, I think we should
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that bed middle.
Of the song wings? Yes, I shouldn't know that.
Yeah, you answer, though far too quickly.
Be middle of the men, you're a yeah, it's okay.
We should just take a moment to acknowledge that Parvelay is not in the room, and I just we just wanted to take a moment. I miss your silly Croatian haircut.
I missed that dark tan.
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I miss your tan that looks like you've just rubbed soy sauce all over your hairy nipples.
They are quite hairy, aren't they.
Yeah, they're like Harry Pepperoni's I called them.
Yeah, you seem to be well acquainted with them.
Did you have to work with Paul? Well, we're both
paid to be there work.
Okay, we sort of did. Okay, what a car expert?
I know Carr Advice?
Oh you went to Carr Advice.
I was a car of us.
Yeah, hang on, you're interrupting the middle of my I'm sorry, I miss you. I miss you anyway. So, so Alex,
who talk now so they can understand which one?
Hello?
Yeah? So yes, yeah, you come from a radio background,
and now you've got a car channel, which is called four wheels in a seat and a seat.
Don't pretend you don't know. Gordy. You were at the
recording of my very first episode. You actually held the camera. Yeah,
for a whole bunch of shots. We filmed for about
six hours. It was porno and I got about three
seconds of useful footage out of that.
Yeah, I was that good.
Yeah. Yeah, stay away from cameras. Microphones are your game.
Yeah.
What was that?
Was that?
A bagero sport?
It was? And that was the very first video that
I did on the channel six years ago.
Now, we had no idea how to drive that, and we fucking flogged out, like we had no idea, no idea, And here I am going, I'm going to get afore we'll drive. These things are fucking fun, and I reckon,
we probably returned that in a terrible state.
Yeah, Mitsubishi were the only car company sort of brave enough to loan me a car at that point. And well,
I mean, you know, we didn't ruin it, so other car companies jumped on board. Yeah, yeah, still going.
They got there, and Adam has some I've never heard of.
You re driven.
Yeah, I think it's I'm pretty sure that's how it's pronounced. Yeah,
I think so driven red red riven, red riven, red, red riven, red driven. He's even got the merch on.
It's actually it's not this. Literally we filmed today. So
I came from filming.
I thought you were I thought you were here for like a true collab.
Well, no it was it was a club. I just
happened to be in the area filming a car and I'm like, well, I can try and race home and get changed. Yeah, I was lazy and didn't.
I've got my I've got my the Driver Showed t shirt in my back and I'm not even putting it on.
I should put it on.
I should have brought more merch for you guys to wear and the red Driven kid.
Yeah, if you've got a triple extra large, I can give to Parley Love that.
Yeah, he'll wear that.
He'll wear that for sure. No, because we thought this
would be a good idea, because I just think the collabse stuff we're talking about this off air right, it just doesn't happen enough, you know what I mean. And
it's such a it's so exciting, like as a as a car fan when I see someone like say Chris Harris on the Throttlehouse Boys Show or something like that, I love that sort of stuff.
Or yeah, I don't know, it doesn't happen. It's this
year fast. We want to do way more collaboration. We've
got some stuff coming up with cars hors, We've got some stuff coming up with chasing cars. John Cadogan from
Auto Expert. We're doing things at the moment. So I
don't understand why Australia is so behind the April in this.
If you look at the UK You've got you know, you know Henry Cashpole will turn up on a throttle House video in the US. You've got you know, the
Speed channel that will collaborate with Donut Media even though he James Pumfrey was the host of Donut Left, but he'll still collaborate with them. But for some reason, I
don't know why the Australian channel. I don't understand why,
you know, say Drive won't collaborate with Chasing Cars. It
makes no sense to me.
I don't understand why Drive wouldn't collab with the Driver show.
I think it was something to do with the court case and some legal letters back and forth, and possibly one of the parties got very bitchy. I won't say
which one them, but yeah, they won't collab with anyone.
It's so weird, such an archaic way of thinking. And
as we were saying off air, back in the day of magazines, where someone had a budget for one magazine, I can understand that they might not go and buy the other three ones that are available at the newsstand.
But now with YouTube and podcast, there is no finite amount of views. You know, if you're going to watch
a Piggerio sport video, on one channel, You're probably gonna watch three or four other Pagiro sport channels on other channels. Yeah,
because they can all bring something else to the party.
It would only make sense for the audience and for information, education and entertainment to go, Well, let's get these two big channels together, collaborate on this particular car. Have some
fun with that. Because all all the journals they're all mates,
you know, they've all worked together, so this chemistry there.
Until they become mates once they meet each other. But
one thing I've sort of found in the course of doing a lot of industry type you know days and track days and events and stuff like that, is that there is a little bit of suspicion and bitchiness.
I find absolutely had I got shunned dramatically not that long ago. I was at an event and there are
a couple of guys there. Dave McGowan was there, Scotti Newman,
some really great good dudes. Yeah, and guys I massively admire.
I'm huge fans of their work and it was such an honor to meet them and we got along straight away.
There were four or five other journals there that I'm also massive fans of and I went up to say, hey, guys, Adam from Redriven, I love your work. Just awesome to
be on this event with you. They literally saw me,
look me up and down in their backs and started laughing, Oh my god.
What. Yeah, it's such a bitchy, Like I thought radio
was bitchy. But since I've met Paul right and he'll
let me in on a few bits and pieces, I'm like, my god, your industry so caddy. You car journalists, it's
so high school. Yeah, and yeah, I just don't understand
where that comes from.
And I think that's why it's such a good fit for people like you and me, Gordy, who have worked in radio, because culturally it's quite similar. I mean, look,
let's you know, cut the crappy. We all love to gossip,
and it is easy to fall in that trap. I mean,
like I try not to do it personally, but I mean invariably it does happen. Yeah.
Yeah, it's funny because like it's one of the reasons why Paul and I started this was that old school, old boys kind of car journalist where it would be like take the cash and call it car of the year, right, And I was just like when I kind of got that that was where car journalism was, I was like, fuck that, and I was talking to here about it, and that's how we kind of started the podcast, like let's just do real, authentic, proper like hangout chat about this sort of stuff, because that whole old school boys
club where it's like this fat old guy who's well divorced, couple of stains, questionable stains on his shirt and he's like riding something on the boot of his car, like finishing off a story as just fucking send it like that.
That shit's gone now, you know.
That's part of the reason that we started Redriven, Like, you know, I seend my offsider in the business who's behind the camera. You know, I met doing new car
content and I was new to that. I come from
thirty years of touring and music as a session musician, get into the car world thinking this is going to be amazing, and then going, oh my god, this is a shit show. This is terrible and so political and
all this backstabbing and whatnot. So part of Red Driven
was going, well, I still want to make car videos.
I want to have complete freedom to say whatever I want.
I want to make them entertaining and not have to be you know, politically correct because of the car companies.
We'll just do used cars. And I don't give a
shit what the car companies think. I just don't care
if I never get a press car ever, again, I don't care. And I think the audience really respond to that,
like it's so nice being hoped, you know, one of the very few channels that can go this car is a piece of shit and you shouldn't buy it. Yeah,
it feels so nice to that, And I have car journalists mates going, oh my god, we wish we could say that.
My love car is less good this one, which might be a little better. Yeah, I miss I missed going
on the press junkets. I miss the fabulous food and
the wonderful accommodation.
Having done that today, yes, I can attest it is very good.
It's amazing getting a racetrack to yourself and an amazing you know, supercar of some sort is incredible. But I'm
happy to give all that up to have the freedom to go this car is shit.
Yeah. And also you've kind of tapped into something where
no one had really gone with the with the secondhand market as well, like no one was really especially to the level what you guys do delving into used cars with the research and basically a proper review of them.
You know what I mean?
Well, I think the secret of the car industry that nobody wants to say is that all new cars are pretty bloody good. Even the less good ones have giant
warranties on them. So a new car, look, you're fine,
just pick the color you want, get the one that looks good. No one cares, you know, if you know,
maybe pitstick with Toyota if depreciation is an issue for you.
But with used cars, that's when shit goes down. That's
when you start. The minute it's out of warranty, that's
when things can really start adding up. You know, we
know of European cars that might start having engine failures just out of warranty, and the replacement engine from the manufacturer is over one hundred thousand dollars just for the engine.
You know, that's that's terrible. I mean, if you've got cash,
that's a heartbreaking moment. So Jim, who's our resident mechanic
in the videos, he was the catalyst all this happening.
You know, we caught up and he had a young guy that was in who was an eighteen year old apprentice builder in tears in his office because he's volkswag an Amarrock that he'd done his due diligence, he'd gone and watched all the new reviews and yeah, knew with a warranty that is a fantastic jewel cabut at the time, out of warranty catastrophic engine failure. I took out the
gearbox twenty five thousand dollars worth of damage.
Oh my god, on a ute.
That cost him twenty thousand dollars. Yeah, so now he's
an apprentice guy. He's got a twenty thousand dollar alone
that he has to pay back, but another twenty five thousand dollars he needs to find to fix the thing to get it back on the road, which he can't get.
He risks losing his apprenticeship because he now doesn't have a vehicle. He's starting life at eighteen kind of fifty
thousand dollars in the hole. And then Jim said, you
know what, that's the third amrok in two weeks. We've
had to do the same thing. Why isn't anyone telling
the public that out of warranty that is a nightmare vehicle.
And that's what kind of what kickstarted all this, and that's why we spent hours and hours delving through subreddits and owners groups and forums and talking to parts interpreters and talking to as many service texts as we possibly can and getting as much information as can to tell the public hate like, here's the common issues you've got to watch out for these.
Is it a case of that they are having an unusually large amount of lemons or difficult cars or is it like these problems crop up with all amorocks.
The more complexity you put into something, the more problems you're probably going to have. And it's an interesting one.
There's an argument at the moment that we get in the comments a lot and a lot of people messages about saying, isn't it funny that you know we're trying to make cars more environment environmentally friendly? Obviously that's super
super important. The problem is the more emissions gear you
put on engines, or the more safety features you have, and the more complexity and the more computers and modules that have to talk to each other, the more things that can go wrong. You know, we've got an issue
now where certain cars of a headlight goes out, you can't just replace it with another headlight. That headlight has
to be coded into the car's ECU and body control module.
If they don't talk to each other, the car's charactors. Yeah,
or you've got cars that can be written off over a minor accident. So even though we're trying to be
better for the that's an entire car that's going to the scrap heap because of maybe you know, a couple of thousand dollars problem. Whereas if you go back into
the let's say early two thousands, you find like a let's say an FJ Cruiser, right, well, everything on that you can fix in your garage at home, and that thing will last forever. The FJ Cruisers will be on
the roads in another one hundred years time.
Yeah, I tried to. I was looking at one recently,
could not. You can barely find one under two hundred
thousand kilometers. But that kind of seems to be the
norm for that car, like they will that's two hundred thousand kilometers. You'd be like, oh, that's kind of like
looking at the end of your life. But with those
cars probably fifty percent maybe more.
If that if that thing serviced correctly. Seriously, there's no
reason it can't do eight hundred thousand k's. Like you
replace the suspension bushes, you know, make sure it's maintained correctly.
That will probably last up. Find me any modern BMW, Mercedes, Aldy,
anything that will do more than one hundred and fifty thousand k's these days.
Yeah, after the nuclear apocalypse, it will be cockroaches driving to just.
Yeah, it's kind of weird when you like look at brand new cars nowadays. Most of them are pretty good,
you know, they're kind of a lot of mundane stuff out there. Like I'm driving, it's funny like I'm driving
a Jacu J five at the moment, baby kind of land rover thirty five thousand dollars. Blows me away. It
looks stylish, it feels stylish on the inside. It's actually
drives pretty well, Like I don't have any sort of complaints, But it's funny, like you look at a car secondhand, an older car. I'm thirty five grand I'll use a
Porsche Cayman as a as a reference point, but the Jaku would kill that thing in terms of speed and all that sort of stuff. Now, But I'd fucking take
the Cayman any day of the week.
Yeah.
I think the reason being that most new cars aren't sexy, especially EV's, Like EV's a great appliance, but it's one degree of separation away from buying a fridge. But there's
nothing short of maybe a horse should Takhon sports Turismo or a herend Ionic five N six am.
Oh that's that is hands down the greatest EV in the world.
Absolutely, but still not sexy. And I would still buy
an I twenty I'd buy four I twenty ends before I bought an only five N what absolutely really, Yeah, I had I had a long term don't get me wrong.
It is a phenomenal car. It is easily the best
EV I've driven. Yeah, I've got to do a lot
of proper driving with that. I can't elaborate. Yeah, I
know you did do some track stuff and yes, and it is in terms of evs. Yeah, Like if I
had to buy an e V, it would be the one I would buy. But I would still buy an
I twenty N in a heartbeat. Wouldn't even hesitate, Yeah.
Or an I thirty N.
Why, it's just it's a more visceral experience it's it's a it's a real car. I don't know, there's not
computers doing half the work for me. It doesn't weigh
two and a half tons, or there's that you go through tires, like the problem with that Ionic five m it's so good and it's so fast, but also weighs the same as a land cruiser. Physics are gonna win.
So you are going to go through tires to rated knots.
So I mean that's on the trail. If you took
it on track, yeah, you'll cook those tires by the end of the day, by lunchtime, by.
Lunchtime, yeah, I know from experience, Yeah, by by morning team.
But even on roads like it is, it's incredible. But
I don't know. For me again, I get to drive
so much stuff evs the novelty of that acceleration just wears off.
Oh yeah.
Whereas an n C MX five third generation m X five with a bit of a subtle suspension geometry tweak that will never get tied. That is a phenomenal car.
They are absolutely that is one of the most outstanding driving experiences. Really, Oh my god.
What's interesting about the X the m X five is you could buy one now, and you're probably not gonna get one that's much different from fifteen years ago. You'll
get some slight tech stuff, but even the techie stuff like they're I think they've now just fixed that stupid wheel that Masdal relied on for so long. Yeah, to
touch but yeah, even that was just why they fucking have that. In fact, I'd prefer not to have it.
But you look at the prices of the first three generations of m X five NA n B n C. Yeah,
like you used to get it. You could get an
n C MX five, You could get one for eight grand.
You won't get one for less than eighteen grand, no, like they are and good ones of forty thousand dollars. Yeah,
so a good one is the same price as a new ND. There's there's a definite. We're seeing a bit
of a ground swell. It's the SAME's happening in juel cabutes.
Like old highluxes are now worth proper money. Land cruises,
land cruises series, land cruises worth good like a good one's worth good money.
Yeah.
Do you think with the current events in the world and your sort of point that you know, an I twenty n feels a lot more of an authentic driving experience.
But with what's going on in the world, do you think we're now at a tipping point where we could see electrification sort of being justifiably forced upon us in a way, Because no.
I think people will I think there will be a crew that will panic.
By though I heard I'm saying. The problem is the
infrastructure will never keep up if you start going through Like I'm not no engineer at all, but if you talk to engineers and people that work for osgrid and whatnot, if we hypothetically you could flick a switch and we all drove electric cars, well none of us will be able to charge them. It's just we just don't see.
We simply don't have the infrastructure. And you can try
to improve the infrastructure, but it's just not as simple as that. Things have to get shaped down. There was
an apartment block recently that you know, I think it was something like twenty charging stations were put into this apartment block, and one part of the media going, yeah, this is awesome, and then the other part of the media going, well, hang on.
A secon this is dangerous.
Well, they were literally just plugged into wall sockets, so they're just trickle charges and you can't use them all at the same time because if you use them at the same time, no one can use their conditioning or turn their TV on. Because it wasn't like the apartment
building got some amazing new upgrade and electricity to power these things. No, it was just it's the the charges
sort of kinder.
And was it that an underground car park.
Yeah.
I've tried to live with evs, and from a driving experience, I love them, and theoretically on paper great. My problem
is the apartments I've lived in, I can't charge them like they are not You're not allowed to have a charger in those buildings because the building's not fire rated. Yeah,
in case something goes wrong. Secondly, I remember coming back
from Canberra on a particular manufacturer's EV trip and getting the Sutton Forest and I just need a little splash and dash. This isn't that long ago. This is since
you know, things are getting better and the I think it was like five charging stations at Sutton's Forest. Four
were out of order and the fifth was shaped down.
So what was supposed to be a thirty minute stop, I was there for four hours.
Yeah, there's one just on the way here into work, and it's a fifteen minute drive into work for me, and that's during quite busy traffic. Really needed to charge
because I thought if I don't charge them the way there, I won't make it home.
Yeah.
Again, I think it was that brand ev charging stations.
Five of them there, the one I put in there, all no one was using them, plugged it in, wasn't working.
Called up the company and they're like, oh, yeah, that one's out of order. And I'm like, well, any of
them working And he's like, let me check, No, none of them are working. Out of the whole five, none
of them were working. And that's like credit to say
someone like Tesla, who just I think they handle their charging stations brilliantly most of the time. I don't think
I've really ever seen one that's not working. They their
top of the chain and that sort of stuff.
But why is it that they're not working? I mean,
people vandalizing them or.
Is it just it's just bad. I think it's just
badly it's infrastructure. Yeah, I think it's just it's just
simply the infrastructure. Like you know, a lot of these
things will go to tender and the job will get given to the cheapest possible quote that comes in, and it's going to go wrong. I think the other thing
to worry about as well, because battery technology is getting so much better so quickly. That means that current evs
are going to be redundant in no time. So it's
like buying an old laptop, like you're going, Okay, well, what like the Tesla Model three from a year ago, what's that going to be worth in another eighteen months or two years when the latest BYD battery tech comes out.
Yeah, but it's see, that's that's the thing. I think
it's going to be similar to like the second hand car market in a sense where I mean you're not going to have it might be say a five year old Tesla is not going to have the same battery capacity as a brand new e Do you know what I mean, it's not going to have the same health. No, don't.
I don't think.
I don't even think it's the capacity that's the issue.
I think what we're going to see is battery tech gets so good that the current battery tech is just like, oh my god, that's like an analog mobile phone. It's
like the charging will take too long. The I suppose
that where you know you won't get range. Not only that,
we're already seen this with some of the Tesla Model S and x's, where the computer hardware in those cars can't accept the latest software updates. My mate has a
Model Less and he has this problem. So there's times
where the new software updates can break certain things in his car. He's had times where he has no climate control,
no air conditioning. There's a software update, it's like, oh,
you've got the old model okay, yeah, that computer in your car that can't take this new software update. Again,
like a laptop, Like if you've got a ten year old MacBook Pro, it probably won't run so well when you get the latest greatest iOS from Apple for that laptop, because it's the hard reson not designed to do it.
So I do worry about. And then because battery tech
is always getting better and better and better, I don't know if we're ever going to have a point where we go, Okay, you know this is this is pretty good.
Whereas with an internal combustion engine and hybrid, which pretty good. Yeah,
it's pretty good.
Yeah, I think I mean with the technology in cars like center console screen software that does control so much of what goes on in cars. Now, I mean it's
not just exclusively an EV problem. I mean it happened
in any type of car really. I mean I was
at a BMW event today and they were showing as the latest and greatest features in OS nine, which is actually not the latest version. It's now OS ten, which
is what they're putting in the Neuer Classic Electric cars.
And it's like, well, it's great that you're showing us this older version, but I've seen a newer version and it's even better than this.
And even that, I think it's hard because again, if we're kind of going EV for the environment, which again massive advocate advocate for that, my issue is if you're buying a car for the environment, you should buy a used hybrid ideally Alexis Toro, a Toyota because you're re cycling a car. If you buy a new EV, does
it need to be a hybrid though, ideally yeah, because you're using those fuel So ideally, if you buy.
If you're going to go like come play, like if you want to go like technically completely lefty, then yeah, you'd go maybe a hybrid. Yeah, But like I think surely.
Like the ultimate form of yeah, I mean recycling would be a shitty old car.
Which is if you can find something that is going to be on the road forever and require minimal maintenance or minimal spare parts.
Yep.
Because the new EV that you buy, well, all the battery has to come from somewhere, the manufacturing has to come from somewhere, has to get shipped to Australia. There's
a lot of fossil fuels, a lot of things getting ripped out of the earth to make that car. And
then you've got a car that if it's going to be obsolete in five years time, So what happens to it once you get rid of it? Because your leases
up because financially sometimes a lot of the time, financially it doesn't make sense to keep an EV for any more than five years. Yeah, so you want to flip
that lease over. If you're getting a new car every
five years or every three years, that's terrible for the environment.
Ideally you keep a car for twenty five or thirty years.
No one's doing that anymore. Like remember when it was
like a real event when someone got a new car in the street, Like, oh fucking number two, got the new blah blah blah. Let's go out and see it.
Like you'd go out and see it. You'd almost like,
oh dad, can we go check out blah blah blah car.
Like no one's I don't think of really keeping cars longer than five years. These day, it's totally cool.
Just buy a used car. The car that was just
delivered to me today is from nineteen eighty four. It's
a Renau five Turbo, basically a Group B rallied. That's
also a three hundred thousand dollars car. But okay, let's
use the car I drove here in nineteen ninety seven Gen one four three door.
Oh cool color is it?
It's bright yellow as Redriven colors.
Yeah.
Our other Redriven car is a nineteen ninety nine hond To HIV. Both those cars are so great to drive.
There's no touch actually in that HIV. There's now a
touch screen as we put Apple car Play in it.
But the air conditioning, it's actual physical knobs. When you
slide the heat thing, you can feel mechanical bits behind it going, and it's so satisfying to use. You can
have a new car, just don't have a new car, just buy a cool old car and rotates through.
I think that's what's going to happen, especially with these evs, because like the amount of dick around it is to put the air conditioning on. It's like, I do not
get that, and don't even talk to me about safety features.
I think are doing the opposite thing, which will bring up in a sec. But yeah, I think everything will
eventually get voice controlled, like purely just voice controlled.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think my only thing with driving potentially thirty year old cars, and especially for younger drivers who are starting out, which you know, are they buying thirty year old cars anymore?
I don't know, maybe not, is that if they have an accident with a newer, bigger, more contemporary car that's got more built in safety features, I think the old car is going to be coming off second best.
Possibly that's a tough one because crash safety standards now aren't necessarily based around crash results. They're based around pre
collision warning systems. So actual don't get me wrong, like
cars crashing into objects is always getting better, but as of probably ten to fifteen years ago, pretty good, Like a five cent in cap safety rating from ten years ago still not too bout thirty years one hundred percent, like you know, I would like in my little rev Yeah, I don't want to hear anything bigger than a pigeon. Yeah,
So that's one hundred percent a thing. At the same time,
I kind of agree with you, Gordy. I think some
of the safety features that maybe making cars a little Yeah.
Here's what I don't get. Right, to get a five
star and cap safety rating, you get that by essentially software.
So you're getting that by warning systems, and you're getting that by you know, noises and all and all. That
sort of shit is in my view, doing absolutely the opposite of keeping you safe. It's fucking distracting.
Yeah. I was driving a MAS to BT fifty last
week and it had the most overly sensitive pre crash warning I've ever encountered in any car, to the point where it was just constantly slamming on the brakes at parked cars and pedestrians not walking in front of me, but just walking to get into their cars and then nowhere near me. But it's going off and it scares
the life out of me when it suddenly slams the brakes on. Yeah. Yeah, And how is that safe for anybody.
When a car can suddenly, like unfairly veer off the road a little bit because it thinks it's straightening up, it's like, hang on.
What are you doing?
Yeah.
It's one thing for cars to have these features where they need to be calibrated, and that's again an an cap thing, where and Caper saying to the manufacturers, well, you have to have these features. So the companies just
go cool, what's the least amount of money we can spend on these features will fit them. We just won't
spend much money calibrating them correctly, and we are seeing improvements in that all the time. I completely agree. There
are certain cars that we drive. We did hind A
I thirty today and the lane keeperssist in that is just horrifically aggressive. It's to a point where it feels
a bit dangerous to drive. So it would be nice
in a perfect world, I'd love to see more driver training and more education put into driving ability and looking at the attitudes of young drivers rather than relying on the car doing all the hard work. I know that's
a ridiculous statement because that's never going to happen, but I do feel that I feel like the authorities will do everything they possibly can except say to people, you're a ship driver, you need to improve. They will try
to fix everything else around it because it's it's really easy to market that. It's easy to market that you're
dropping the speed limit and really to market that you're making sure cars have all these new safety features. But
if it's an election year and you're going hete you guys, all our voters, you're all a bit shit behind the wheel.
We need you to go and spend your own money to go and get extra driver training. They're never going
to happen.
Yeah, And there's not going to be incentives for that.
It's no no. I think, like the end of the day,
I would love to know how the fuck and CAP is getting by with the demands that they're making because they're not putting out necessarily safer cars. I actually reckon
some like there's some cars that will just have a three to four car Star and CAP safety rating because they refuse to put certain features in their cars, and they're actually probably a way safer for it.
I also don't think it actually makes that much of a difference. Well, you look at the Suzuki Jimney and
the Forward Musting Chimney. They still can't make enough of
the bloody things. No terrible safety rating, No one cares,
No Ford Musting. It didn't drop any sales when it
got a one star rating?
Again, did it really? What did you get a one star?
It might not have been one star, it was it was a really really low rating. Why again, I don't
think it was a crash thing. I think it was
a preventative at yeah, safety system tea. Yeah, yeah, it
was a while ago.
But I love the Jymneys. I've got such a soft
spot for it. Yeah yeah, but it literally like I
think they're actually I would classify that as a as a cool car, like a cool cheap car. You can
drive around the city, You can do your commutes and stuff.
You can still get out of town if you're not planning on going over one hundred and ten without kilometers an hour, because they will you'll probably be blown off the road. But it is very much like driving a
tin can. But it's also fun.
It's so capable too. I did a track day with
Suzuki last week and we did the off road course at Sydney Motorsport Park. Did you have the Eva Tara Well, yeah, yeah,
I drove that as well. Yeah yeah. But we took
the Jymney in the in the off road course and I was just amazed at how capable it was going up.
And the track was a bit wet because it's been raining a lot the night before, getting seriously sideways into the bushes at some point. But still, you know, just
go over anything, and I'm just going to look at this.
It's tiny.
Also, if you're a single man and you want to track the opposite sex, Jimney is a car. Forget, really forget.
I have proof.
I would have said Mustang personally, Chimney.
No, I've got a great story for you. So I
had a green Lamborghini invented or for a little peer not mine, not mine, and I.
Think I've got a feeling I reckon I know who that could be.
My girlfriend refused to get into it. She was like,
that is hideous. That is a disgusting car.
Did you get a new girlfriend?
No, no, no, morgs. She switched on with cars. I
showed some of her friends the car. One of them said,
if you want to make sure you never ever have sex again by Lamborghini. About two weeks later, I had
one of the first Chimney Press cars. I reckon I
could have married all those girls on the spot. It's amazing.
I think it's a weird male thing where we think Ferraris and Lamborghinis and Porsches and anything like that's going to get attention. No, they get negative attention. Again if
you want to, Yeah, I will not have a bad word said about a Porsche, but I know it's one of those things. Honestly, it's but you drive like an
old nine eleven, like an air called nine to eleven, or a made of mine sells all sorts of crazy high end cars, and he gets to drive McLaren's in the whole lot. And he said to me, he said
easily in terms of you know, picking up ability easily.
The car that did it the most was an aston Martin dB five. Oh yeah, so slow, like a current
Yaris is faster, not a gr standard bottom range Yerrais is kicker than a Martin dB five. Yes, nothing to
with a performance, But the Jimney, the Jimney says, I'm not compensating. I'm completely okay in my sexuality. I've got
nothing to prove here. I like adventuring, I like some
camping and going off road. It sends all the right signals.
Would you consider that the standard or XL like? Can
I put them both in the same box?
I think the three door with some all terrains and a little lift, I think that. I think that will
you will be swatting.
I still, yeah, I still have a thing for the four door though.
I like that. I like that.
It's just I can chuck the kid in. I didn't
check the dog in, and it's got a bit more uh, it's got a bit more boot space.
No, I think if you're but if you're a single man, I think you've got to go three doors.
Yeah.
The other cars that I've brought home that have definitely you know, kept more happy or our female friends have gone, oh my god, I love that, and you can tell that they're like, you know, if I were single, there would be hopefully some kind of interest.
Suzuki Alto works. What yep, crazy man K trucks. That's
the other one K truck. No, okay, you need you
need to leave no man K trucks. Go drive a
K truck. Will not drive a fucking K truck.
Drive a K truck through any cafe district and just and just look at the girls. Look at look at
all the girls, women.
And Japanese girls. No, no, no, no, no, dude, you
know what it's because are you going through a Chatswood when you drive this.
Now, it doesn't matter where you are, and it doesn't matter what the cyber because you're not compensating. It's it's
basically going, I'm so comfortable with my own skin here, i can drive a tiny pastel colored little truck and it just screams.
Well that that guy's going.
They're looking at you for that reason.
It comes the pedophile and no, I've been behind, I've seen I've been in traffic in a normal car and seen like a K truck pull up and you go, look at the attention this thing gets. Any any small,
boxy little car, there's.
What about a Mini? Mini?
Cooper ass old old ones, not new ones. Old ones, yeah,
old school.
Like the old old ones.
Are like pre BMW Like I'm talking like Rover Morris BMC.
Like the old old Mini.
Oh my god, maybe the coolest car ever.
Yeah, they are.
The Tiger event we just did the first two days.
We're in a Mini, a sixties Mini was a seventy one actually, and it had a Yamaha R one motorbike engine and reaped a fifteen thousand rpm. And that thing again.
We drove through suburbs of Melbourne to get all the way down to the Mornington Peninsula. Yeah, every single way
you go, people are just thumbs are massively positive attention from both sexes that thing. And I've driven I've driven
that same kind of route in a Ferrari and you just get eyes rolling people melving wanka. Yeah.
Yeah, but it's a Ferrari. They don't know what it's
like to be in that driver's seat.
It's one of the things I could have give at that point.
I couldn't give a shit. Dude, I'm in a Ferrari.
Go fuck yourself. But it's a thing.
Men don't want to hear McLaren's, Ferrari's, Lamborghini's, any of those like overtly loud supercars. Then I hate to say this,
they're not cool.
Okay, here's what. Here's what I want to go around
the table with. What's the most overrated car you've ever driven?
I want to go first. I want to say the
McLaren really, yeah, fucking hated it. Hated it. I drove
it to a wedding across New South Wales and I nearly got it bogged and I drove across the I did a donut on the main lawn just because I was It was a mate's wedding. I was emceeing, and
I was like, this is just I've got to fucking go home. I was obviously drinking and I was like,
I've got a few hours to drive home, and it was just a pain in the ass.
Which one? Which one?
Yeah, I've got a photo of it somewhere. I'm going
to find this. I'm going to find this.
I might need to pass on this for a moment and think about it. What have I not loved?
What's something that you thought, Ah, this is going to be baller and then you're kind of.
Gone, yeah, actually, I mean probably the one that I thought would be good and a lot of people said I was h awesome, it's probably the Toyota for Tuna.
I really did not enjoy driving that at all, and I think it's the only car I've ever had on loan that I've kind of avoided driving and gone, you know what, I'm going to drive my Honda Civic instead, because this is a pain. It has this weird lane
keep assist where, which you probably know more about it than I do, where it will rather than steering you back into the lane, it'll actually slow down the outer wheel to force you to And it is the worst feeling in the world. You feel like you're about to
lose control and collide into a sidewall. Yeah, was not
a fan at all, And I just thought the suspension was all over the place. And yeah, yeah, give me
just about any other ladder frame SUV, but not that, Gordy.
That's a five forty C. I don't hate to tell
you this. That's the that's the that's the little McLaren. Yeah,
that's not the that's not the big boy seven twenty.
But funk I look good in it? You really do
suit it? Yeah, yeah, you look good.
A seven twenty is pretty wild. That's that's an amazing
it had it look, it had an unbelievable sound. Don't
get me wrong, Yeah, I just I just Okay, here's the thing. I'm gonna say something controversial. If you put
that next to a Corvette Stingray, I'd go a sting Ray every day.
Oh yeah, one hundred percent absolutely with you on that I love the sting Ray. Yeah, it is such a
fun cart. Yeah. So it looks amazing.
Yeah, and it feels quality too. Yeah, you don't feel
like you're gonna like that thing had sticky buttons, stuff that I knew needed replacing. The battery kept disconnecting. It
was just an absolute fucking punish of a car. But yeah,
that was That's my overrated car.
My mine's the event at all. I just don't even
more so. Last few months ago we shot a Lamborghinni
Mercielligo manual. That's the car. Yeah, if you want, if
you've got, if you've got invented door money or Ravelt money, whatever, LAMBORGHINNI want. Now forget that, Buy a manual Mercielligo. That
is peak supercar. They're hard to drive.
It's actually a really shit.
I was gonna say they're quite they're quite tricky to drive.
Yeah, but that's what makes it so cool.
But it makes some tricky to drive.
Everything, steering, the gear change, the position where my leg barely fits between the gearstick and the steering wheel. But
what I love about it is that I know my mum could not drive that car. My mum could easily
drive an invented or she could do her groceries as an invented door. The fact that they've become so easy
to drive that any muppet with a license can can get behind the wheel of a current Lamborghini and have a steer has kind of for me ruined it. I
feel like a supercar should be like a wild animal that's barely controllable, and they're not anymore. That Mercilligo that
took You've got to have some driving chops just to get the thing to pull away in a straight line at sixty k an hour. You are like, oh my god,
am I going to die? And how how do you
push it? The more gives back that was such a
phenomenal experience, and that for me, that is peak supercar.
Terrible car, brilliant supercar. Do you know what was sort
of disappointing? And I hate to let people down. I'm
trying to word this carefully because it wasn't It wasn't disappointing, disappointing.
I would buy one one hundred percent. But the Testa
Rossa was one of those cars where when I was a kid, that was the most amazing looking fucking car.
And I still look at those like I looked at those as a kid. It's it's stunning, it's beautiful. Miami
Vice car wasn't Yeah, yeah, why one? And yeah, you
like when I hopped in that thing, it did drive like nineteen ninety.
One, it was like, oh, I reckon, I reckon early two thousands. So then the most of the other guys
like four five. Yeah that and not just not just
for Lamborghini, for so many cars.
That for me and maybe you know what, maybe it's just me being old, and you know, that was kind of my period in cars. I've driven a bunch of
Japanese performance stuff of late and that kind of Yeah, nineteen ninety nine to about twenty ten. The two thousands,
Oh my god. Yeah, because they're modern enough that you
can go, oh, I could live with this, like this is this is comfortable enough, this is great. But then
there's this tactility the way it does everything. There's no
computers doing anything for you, Like, if you stuff up, you're you're done.
Yeah. I think I think that period what they excelled
in is just refinement.
All right.
There was no need for obviously there's you're going to have computers running the thing, but there was no need for a proper full so it's what they did. You
can appreciate the engineering that goes into that because it was precision.
You know what's interesting. So I just did this Tiger
Classica event, probably the best I've done a bunch of motorsport.
It's easily the best motorsport event I've ever done. BMW
are one of the major sponsors of this theme, and they had a whole bunch of influencers there and they had M three's it. I think it's the fortieth or
fiftieth anniversary of M three coming up. So they had
everything from the E thirty all the way through to G eight's nice and it was really interesting. All these influencers,
and you've got some influencers that have some steering shops and others that have no steering tops, right, and all of them came back to the car that they all completely fell in love with, was the E forty six or the E thirty six. Everything after that doubly is fast,
way more capable, better entertainment systems, objectively better cars. They
all loved the E forty six, which again is in that two thousands kind of it's.
Iconic now, like you look at them.
And I don't know if you guys saw it not, but BMW have just released the image of the new I three, which from the rear looking at the rear three quarter angle still has that classic three series shape and then at the front it's doing something else that I'm not entirely that.
Yeah, I loved it.
I'm really excited for the M three. Yeah, I love
a company that will take a risk but get it right, unlike Keya and the Tasmin, so I feel, yeah, I'm with you. When I first saw it, I'm like, I
don't know how I feel about this.
Do I like this?
As everyone was about the big kidney grill that they put on the M three, the and the four series.
Isn't it interesting? Isn't it interesting? Like the last five
years with BMW, how much their design language has changed and they've just thrown stuff out there and they're like, oh, we'll see what sticks. And I kind of feel like
they've gone through some absolute shit. Is like this generation
will be a cheap car, and I think where they're going, I think they're getting it really right.
I'm really excited. I'm actually really excited to see what
BMW does now. I really think they went off the
rails there for a bit. I think like the XM
is one of the most hideous vehicles ever. Sales prove
it as well. They haven't sold any and the depreciation
on them is just I play.
Charge for those too much.
I think it was three. I think they're over three.
I think three forty three fifty nude and there was I know someone that did a trade in on one and I think they were getting off a like one twenty for it. Oh yeah, don't get me, don't quote
me on the numbers, but it was in that I remember going, oh my god, it was like a two hundred thousand dollars loss. It was something horrific. But they
didn't sell any. It's said like they there are probably
new exms of you know, a plate from two years ago still sitting in a shed somewhere in Melbourne gathering dust.
But yeah, where BMW is going with the new IX three and the new I three really excited.
Nine hundred k's range, that's huge on the three. That
we always held whispers of that's thousand kilometer range car.
I think Mercedes had a concept that was doing it, and they dropped that about two years.
But then you go and get a Nissan Note, the Nismo Nissan Note thing. We feel that it was called
twelve hundred klometers on one tank because it because that xpower xpower, that hybrid system, this and run genius system.
It's doing like one point two leaders per one hundred ks or something crazy.
It's yeah, yeah, but it's genius because the engine is not attached to the wheels at all.
It's just a generator.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's brilliant.
Yeah, so you get all the benefits of an EV with none of the negatives.
Yeah, there is there is a few cars coming out, like hybrids that are doing.
Up jq J seven Yeah, twelve hundred yeah.
Fo yeah, but there's no full EV's there said, there'll be a few EV's, it'll eventually get up to a thousand k's. But yeah, I think there's there's a few
hybrids now coming out that'll do a thousand k's on a charge full tank. Yeah yeah, jq J seven yeah,
oh really yeah, twelve hundred all right, Jesus.
A lot of them doing Sydney Albourne trips.
Can I pause for two sects?
Yeah? Yeah, well we'll keep talking.
You go, I'll be right back. Yeah. How are you?
I'm right man, Yeah, I'm right. Yeah. What's been going on?
Enjoying your tennis court and you're have you got a swimming pool? You do swimm pool and a tennis court?
Yeah? I living like it looks well here, don't No,
I'm in a retirement village. That's where I live.
Really, do you get to the ballroom down?
Yeah?
Me and Trev the three o'clocks sing along with Murray comes in and sings all the old tunes.
Murray comes in, of course to shing showing she's a strange fellow that Mary. Yah.
Don't forget eleven o'clock bingo.
It comes in with the salmon shop. Obvisually, I think
Mary might be well, I think he might be a poofter.
I think he might be he did try and grab me on the pish.
It's if you ever knowed. Whenever they lead the police
do a story on the news and they talk about some sort of horrible assault or whatever, the officer will often say he was assaulted about the points. What do
you mean that's just the way that these cops talk. Yea,
he touched me on the penis touched on the points.
Oh my god.
What have you driven lately?
That's been exciting. Yeah.
I've been doing a lot of Chinese h hybrids. Super
hybrids is they like to call them.
Are they indeed super?
A lot of them very long range I mean like the JQJ seven twelve hundred k's there was another one I did. The trouble that I'm having and I was
talking about this Jason, who helps me a lot of my videos, is that a lot of these cars are so similar in the interior design and the way that the infotainment works and the just the overall driving experience that it's actually becoming hard to tell them part.
This J five I've got is hilarious. I think it's
like aimed at the I don't know, young family with a kid. We're just talking about the J five marketing
it towards pet owners. Yeah, right, Like the seats are
like easy wipe or something, and the antibacterial or something like that, so if your dog has a spew in the back. But then I was like, what is this
thing in the back of this J five. I was like,
what the fuck is that in the boot you can see it from the back window. It's this giant box
and I'm.
Like, what, that's where you put your child when the naughty yeah, or your partner, Well I.
Did, I do consider it? This is my wife. She's
three foot one, yes, perfect giggity.
Yeah.
So yeah, I got it in a variety pack. So anyway,
I open this thing. It's like this big cage and
I'm like, and in the cage is like this plastic it looks like a spaceman's helmet and I'm like, oh my god. It's a giant pet Jacu branded pet carrier.
And inside it is one of those like you know when you see like I don't know, like the Japanese girls and they have like a cat in this little kind of bubble thing. That's what it was like that
that's an actual jacub branded pet set up.
It does make sense because, like you know, a lot of developing countries, the birth rate is dropping dramatically and pet rates are through the roof, so it kind of makes sense like the pet industry, you know. Tip from
one of my finance mates, a pet industry is really good to invest in because a lot of people are going well. Getting to relationships is getting harder, and the
wedding industry at the moment is seeing a thing called the engagement drought. So we had COVID. If you were
together in COVID, chance got married. But now we're into
this period where during COVID you didn't meet anyone, so no one's getting engaged. So wedding industry is sort of
feeling it. But everybody wants to look after something, so
pets are getting huge, So it kind of makes sense that the car industry has gone, let's make pet centric cars.
Wow, isn't that weird that that's where we are?
Like, I just kidding.
I think it's actually a step up from the other alternative, which is people having relationships with AI.
You're going to step up from like actually marrying my wife and story checks out.
That's really interesting. It's yeah.
Wow.
We filmed an inios Grenadier recently which was so incredibly impressive.
Is it always it's not just a restriped No, this thing.
It's been a long time since I've gone Holy shit, this is epic. Like every button I've never driven a
more tactile vehicle. I was trying to find reasons to
push buttons. I'm like, can I just put the hazard
lights on the switch? They're so like, they're so beautifully designed.
Is it true that they actually used helicopter switches for those type?
But I don't know if they're actual ones, but they feel like if I don't really fly helicopters that often. Yeah,
but would imagine it would imagine it would feel very much like that. The whole frame is built too, like
three times levels of any other ladder frame chasy vehicle.
The suspension chin on it is absolutely wonderful. The fact
it can do what it can do off road but then be so comfortable on road. The insulation level is
a spot on. As a company, they are on the
front foot to try to fix any issue with that thing.
It is so good. I'm not getting paid by any
I just like which I was.
They can't seem to sell them, though, can they? Well?
I think hopefully hopefully people watching that video for US has gone gamebusters like numbers under great yea and the guys from Ineos like they actually reached out the first time a car company's gone hey was what I did.
I'll get on the owners groups and I go, hey, we're doing this video as the owners group, giving me some feedback, what should we mention? What do you love?
What do you hate? And the INEOSK guy's got in touch, going, hey,
we've noticed you in the owners groups. Love the channel.
If we can help in any way, love to chat.
So absolutely.
I spoke to a couple of them and went through some engineering stuff and I asked about, you know, the backup service and what happens with parts was a brand new company and it was so impressive, and they were saying they were excited for the video because they're finding a lot of people are going, oh, I'd love to buy one, but I don't know how they're going to go long term.
What are they like after four or five years? And
the great news is they're fantastic. Yeah they've nowl so
been kicking around for about what five six years?
About that? Yeah, but that's yeah, it's funny. Getting back
to the pet friendly cars. One thing I loved about
the Grenadier. It feels like every thinking that thing is
so considered. It feels like every possible piece of trim
someone's really thought that through. So you get in the
back you can wash the whole car rut and just hose it out. It's great, like an old's called to
fend out exactly a way better. Yeah, and it just
it just feels so tough and strong in everything it does.
And I would love to see pet centric cars where the back of the car is like, yeah, my Dobeman can try to tear this thing apart, but it's so considered and just solid. Nothing bad is gonna happen.
Can they? Are they all they're all manual? Right?
No?
No?
No.
BMW engines so BMW B fifty eight and B fifty seven, so that's the diesel and petrol through that are six show six great engine massively detuned, so it's understressed. Yeah,
funnily enough if you theoretically could put a tune through it and have an eight hundred horse power in your scrennity no dramas. Yeah, thatsf auto is unbelievably tough. I
think it runs Borg Warner diffs. It could be wrong
about that, but everything in that drive line is designed to to deal with insane conditions. UK special forces are
using it. It is an exceptionally good vehicle.
What do they actually manufacture them.
Belgium, right, and they are cool my France friends friends, Yeah was that?
Yeah?
The owner the owner's French, right, No, he's English, he's English.
Because what was there like that story that he tried to buy the Defender sector of Landrover because they were going to like phase that old school Defender out.
Exactly they the new Defender came out, and there was a period there where we knew that the new Defender was not going to be anything like the old Defender.
So Sir Jim Ratcliffe is his name. He made his
money in Ineos Chemicals, which was a massive chemical company, and he basically went to land Rover and said, well, can I buy the licensing to make Defenders? Because he's
a massive Defender fan, as all his mates at the pub, and they went no, He's like cool, I'll go build my own. And he just went and went I'm going
to build a better Defender.
Oh so it's comp letly, it's not like hidden by the tooling or the molds or anything like that.
It start scratch, started from scratch, complete new vehicle.
And he builds like a massive, massively expensive factory for it too.
This is how good they are. And again I am
not being paid at all. They've never given me a
press car. I have no This is hand on heart,
complete honest thing. It's it's so good to a point
where some of the employees that are on the owners groups, I'll go, you know, they're all full driving nuts. One
of them broke something on the back of the the I think the ute version of it, the quartermaster, and then got on the owners group said hey, guys, just want to let you know this happened here and it broke here. Of let the engineering team know they're working
on a new part to replace it. We'll get that
out to everybody so that part doesn't break for you.
They are.
That's how on the front foot they are. That's called
the other story that was amazing. There was a guy
in northern Queensland that had lifted his grenadier to a point that it shouldn't have been warranted anymore as a liftkit that the company doesn't say okay too. He was
running thirty three in mud tires doing some insane trail up north of Cape York, broke a drive shaft, got on the owner's group. This is like Wednesday, Wednesday afternoon,
gets on the owner's group, going believe, didn't didn't mention anyone that it was modified Pauly and was running these tires.
The guy that runs in US here in Australia saw it pop up in the owners group. He shipped the
new drive shaft to the repair shop that it was at in northern Queensland, not only from the Melbourne part center, but also from the Belgium on and the one in the US because sometimes they can land in Queensland faster than the Melbourne stuff. Wow, the part arrived I think
it is the mid morning the next day. The mechanic
got working on it on the Thursday afternoon. The guy
was back on the road Friday morning with a new drive shaft on a vehicle. They shouldn't have warranted find me.
Any other company will do that, and likely the guy got on the owners group and also Inos didn't say to this guy, hey, can you now retract your statement? No,
the guy got on there went you know, this is amazing.
The customer service is incredible. I'm back on my adventure. Man,
this I cannot rave enough about any.
So if I was to get into one, what would you recommend?
Well, because they're so customizable, No two are really the same.
Well, where's a good starting point?
So price wise used about I think they around the low eighties. They top out at about like if you
go full on with options, about one hundred and thirty.
But if you look at it versus a seventy series land Cruiser, which is the market leader in that part, the Ineos comes with more standard kit than the seventy series, to the point that if you you'd have to modify a seventy series to match the Inos, but to do that, it's going to cost you two hundred thousand dollars the amount of stuff you've got a bolt to a seventy series, You're so much better off just buying an ineoscreen a Deer.
It's all warranted, it's all tested, it's all calibrated to work with each.
How does JLR feel about all of this? I mean
it's sort of is it their ip in a way.
Or I think they've gone they're doing we don't give a shit about people that actually want to go full driving.
They're a fashion brand, They're like, they don't.
You can see that with Jaguar.
You can sort of see it. Yeah, but I can
I can see what you're saying because you can see that with the new Defender as well, Like it's a stunning looking car. I quite like it, and a lot
of people don't, but I like it. But beautiful to drive,
yeah yeah, it's amazing. Terrible to own, yeah yeah, but
yeah it's also one of those cars like it's almost like gone to the point where the Defender is now like a Porsche Cayenne thing because it's like an off roady car but you're too afraid to put a scratch on it. Yeah, And it's just super sad because like
they if it's got a range Rover orlandro a Badge, it can go off road.
None of them do, and that's so sad. It's kind
of like going to a Gordon Ramsey restaurant ordering the best, like taking a photo of it and not eating it.
Yeah, it's a pointless I've eaten his steaks a shit house, really, yeah, I'll tell you can I want to deviate for a sake.
I took a girl to that Gordon ramsays, like when it was in Melbourne and it was the White Steakhouse.
No thanks, right, no, this is obviously before. But yeah,
she was a vegetarian, right, she was a vegetarian and I took her to this steak place and I called the head saying, do you have vegetarian options?
Yeah?
Yeah, of course, of course, of course. So we get there,
I get this steak, which at the time was like it ended up it was a It was something like eighty dollars and that was just a steak. So then
you've got a I had to pay like twenty bucks for the sauces, and then like another like fifteen dollars for chips. Right, so steak and hit. It ended up
costing like one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty bucks.
And then we get there and there's like no vegetarian options.
I'm like, you said there was vegetarian options. I called
a head, and the lady's like, oh, well, we have fish.
And she's like, and I'm looking at her. She goes,
it's fine, I eat fish every couple of years. It's okay.
So she gets like this flounder and I'm eating this pretty fucking average steak, just oily, and it was a mess.
She's eating this fish and all of a sudden she goes pale, and pale for a vegetarian is even more pale.
It's like vampire. Yeah, you can say, right, throw her.
And so I'm like, what's wrong? And she goes there
meeting this fish. I'm like, what do you mean there's
meeting this fish? You've had two bytes? She literally had
two bytes and she pulled up like the flounder, and underneath the flounder was like this choreso salady sort of stuff.
She was having chunks of chesa. I'm like, Gordon Ramses
restaurants suck balls, and they mad. I told them, I said,
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pay for that, and then they made me sit in the lounge till they figured the bill out. I was like, pah, this place,
this place sucks. So anyway, Gordon Ramsey story. But keep going.
As were saying for about you know, people buying Jimneys don't care about an cap safety ratings. People that buy
land Rovers and rain drovers don't care about reliability and build quality. Yeah it's amazing. You know, we should have
Vla recently. And you just go like a Kia has
far superior build quality, like fast really, oh my god.
Yeah, it's a stunning car. I love those cars. They
were grace to drive.
Look if image and projecting a sense of success is the top priority.
Great car to buy, That's fine, They're pretty underpowered.
I mean, the whole thing is I just it's funny like before Redriven, I loved rain Driver and Land I would I would have had a disco for in a heartbeat, I love I Love the New Defender, and then Redriven happened, and I start researching what happens to cars after you own them, and I just go there is no way, there's no way I would buy anything from that company.
I am. Here's a tip for young players. If you
have a three door Defender, do not put your elderly mother in the back seat on Christmas Day because you can't get her out again.
Yeah, well that sounds like a good idea if.
I had to.
You want to get rid of the car and the mother in law, Yeah, it sounds good.
I could not push the front seat forward enough for her to get out. She somehow managed to get in,
and I ended up having to open the rear tailgate.
You're going to say that and lower the back seat swing her around so feet first. It was. I was
actually thinking at one point, oh my god, I'm going to have to call the sees and get them to cut her out of the car. And I also have
to apologize to JLRS, sorry I couldn't get my mother out of the car.
It's one of those things, the thing that really shocks me every time we do any JLR product. You get
through the owners scripts, right and you and you're seeing people going, oh, you know, they don't deserve the terrible reputation title at all. Like, you know, I've had one
for you know, a thousand cars and haven't had a problem except obviously when the entertainment system should itself and this and this and this. I guy literally send me
a private message on Facebook from one of the owners groups doing exactly this, And you're like, but these aren't normal things like that shouldn't happen to a car. But
then you've got to remember these people have probably never owned a Prido or a Pagero. If you come from
a Mitsubishi Pagero, like an old one, and you get into a landro you're going to be going why do things suddenly stop working?
You know, I still think with the land Rover example, it is a bit of a lucky dip. I mean, look,
I haven't done the research like you've done your research, but it might feel like a bit of a lucky dip.
Like you put out, you know, three thousand cars, you're going to get five that are famously absolute shit boxes. Right,
But you look on car sales or whatever, and you look at these cars going right now, like a really cool sort of Princess Diana Speck style land rover, right, amazingly cool, right, get like there's people that will do like Tartan interior and stuff. They're so fucking cool. You
can't get one that's done under two hundred, two hundred and fifty.
The old SEUs great and and there's a really great resto mod scene there. Like you if you rip the
engine out and put like an LS out of a Commodore in it, then fantastic. You know, it would been
better put a V eight from a Toyota or Alexis in it. That is maybe the perfect car. Those old
scorns are cool because there's not too many electronics. There's
not too many modules that have to talk to each other.
It's the newer ones that are the problem. And look
one hundred percent there are plenty of owners that have never and will never ever ever have a problem. There
are some faultless examples out there. It's just the risk
of it. Because the one the disco for that we
shot my mate. My mate's dad owned that. He was
fastidious with maintenance, like absolutely ahead of schedule. They've got
these ridiculous extended service schedules that ruined cars. But he
knew that, so he serviced it. He hadn't gave it
to his son when he bought an Innios Grenadier Funnily enough, so you've got a card to a perfect service history catastrophic engine failure out of nowhere, thirty thousand dollars bill and it just and this is a car that was perfectly maintained, never told a thing. It did a couple
of long trips when I say long, like up to Coughs or maybe down to Kayama. Nothing too crazy, not
too much off roading, but used regularly. So not a
garage queen that's going to blow up anyway. It just
you just you run this gamble of going. But find
me an FJ cruiser from Toyota that's ever had a catastrophic engine failure. Does not happen. I think the other
thing as well, you've got the depreciation when it comes to landrover and range rover as well, like they hemorrhage money in depreciation, So well, how much is the image of that vehicle and the cool factor actually worth you because a pagero does the same thing, just better without all the bullshit and the pagero Yeah. Also gonna remember
I'm from Newcastle, so we just don't buy into the bullshit brand stuff. I don't give a shit what brand
name is written on it. I see friends going I've
got a methadis you should have bought a Toyota.
I was your castle. Recently it is becoming a little
There were some very cool looking boutiques and nice places to eat have changed since.
He pretends he's like a black tea, but he loves his latte with Yeah, I.
Go a double ostrato or three quarter oat flats that. Yeah,
I'm a complete winker when it comes to coffee. I'll
apologize before I put my order in. I'll genuinely go,
I'm so sorry about this. This is who I am.
I'm so sorry, and I think you.
Just need to own it. You just need to walk
in and go this is what I want.
I love a murk.
I've never told anyone this, you know, this is how bad it is. I'll walk in and I'll look at
the hop, which is where the beans are held, and the condition of that hop and how many beans are in it versus how busy the establishment is will dictate what I order. So if it's super clean and there's
hardly any beans in it, but it's also pretty busy, that's a good coffee joint because they're grinding for the condition at the time. So I'll go, Okay, that's when
I UTU a pretentious, wanky coffee. But if I walk
in in the hops full of beans a little bit dirty place, isn't that busy? I was get a note
flat white. Yeah, that's safe.
Do you know where do you find Like when you're overseas, the coffee tastes way differently. Sometimes it's absolutely shiit house,
all right, but for some reason it makes it really great. Like,
the worst coffee I've ever had was in Hawaii, and I'm sitting there, like day one. This is just sewerage dirt, like,
I'm pretty sure.
And Hawaii probably has the best American coffee. Ironically, Yeah,
I'm pretty sure.
There was a like an old, an old woman living in that coffee machine, and she was just diarrhering. You
know what, by day three, I fucking love that.
That's how they get it, you know that that other coffee they get the animal. Yeah yeah, and they just
used the old woman. Yeah yeah.
Yeah.
This is the pretentious I am when it comes to coffee.
So anytime we travel, I'll then Morgan is as bad as I am. Now, will research where the best coffee
places are and will sometimes book our accommodation. When we
were in Tokyo and we've stayed in Shaboya, but we stayed in this particular Airbnb and Shaboya because there's a coffee roaster two blocks away which is probably one of the best coffee roasters in Tokyo. That's how bad I am.
You are so Sydney, dude, this is the most Sydney conversation.
Such a pain in the art.
I am a pain of the ark. I've said to
you before everything I buy, everything I bought, I said to Gordy before I bought a backpack. Recently, it took
me three or four months to research the backpack.
Actually I relate, Yeah, I can. I kind of go
down those rabbit holes to not backpacks, but with other things.
Watches, Yeah, watches. I'm likely I've got to I've got
to watch deal now. This is the Lovely Boys at
erabas so Jody from the YouTube channel just one more watch.
This is his, This is he and another guy. They
have this Arabis brand, Aussie brand that's a really nice what more Japanese internals. I'm not going to go on
about watches because this is not a watch channel. But yeah,
I'm actually a lot.
Of watch appreciation with our listeners. Amongst our listeners, cars
and watches they do go hand in hand. Literally, Yeah,
I'm really not when we finish it, I'm really going to look into that. I really want to look at.
The Actually I haven't announced it yet. Oh I'm suppsed
to announce this on Monday. I don't know when this
pod goes out.
I love that it's been done on this podcast.
Redriven Redriven are now exclusively Erebus were Erebus Erebus wearers.
So okay, can I just say he didn't pronounce your brand, run so Erebus if you want to like extend it out, Well, this is a heavy watch.
It feels good.
That's the Titan. That's a fantastic forty one.
Got hang on, wait, wait, wait, let's just listen to this spin you ready?
Oh that is satisfying.
We're turning a combination lock on a safe in a ninety six spy film. Yeah, I think, God, he needs
a moment alone with your watch.
It's okay.
There's plenty of cameras in here.
Yeah, it's in this safe the Cure for Cancer and this is where we end the podcast.
It's funny. But the massive than of Jody's channel again,
just one one more watch on YouTube. And we've become mates,
you know, and we sort of confide in each other about you know, YouTube stresses and getting torn apart in the comments and trolls and whatnot. So it's and we
have become great friends. And I've always loved Erebus, and
I've got a bunch of other watchers. But yeah, I
was honored when they were like, hey, you know, you wear them all the time. You want to wear them exclusively.
I'm like yes, that would be bloody awesome. So yeah,
so yeah, now I am only wearing erebus this guy.
What do you get torn apart with on comments on YouTube?
Generally speaking?
What people fire up about? Where do we start? Okay,
so there's two categories. You've got the category of people
that I genuinely feel sorry for. I have nothing but
empathy for the people that rip me off about my pants or my hair, or my voice, or my shirt or anything to do hardcore like hard but I go, how sad is this person's life that the one bit of enjoyment they get is abusing a stranger on the internet.
I genuinely feel empathetic towards these people. Then you've got
the other the car people that get offended when we say things about their car. And now we understand this
because a car is the second biggest financial decision you're probably ever going to make. Right with the house, you
buy the house you can afford, simple as that, with a car, even if you say you're not a car person, you are kind of buying a car that kind of represents you. When it's a niche, enthusiast vehicle, like a
full drive or a performance car, it is definitely representing you, and I stand there going, this is a piece of shit.
You shouldn't buy it. It's kind of like, I'm going,
you're a piece of shit, You're an idiot, you shouldn't have bought this car. So I get why they get
defensive about what we say, and we're trying to always improve our language around the videos to be you know, going, yeah, okay, it is shit, but we totally get why you buy one.
So I understand why we why we cop the hate we do. Likely it's it's mainly positive comments more than
negative comments. But yeah, the I got on John Knogan
and I are doing a podcast together now, and one of the first comments was like that. It was like,
I can't believe it. The two worst car reviewers on
YouTube doing a podcast together. How do I switch off?
I'm like, I'm not part of this show. I'm like,
but you commented on the video.
It's so weird. Yeah, that's weird, because yeah, how do
I switch off? Well, you've clearly gone to the point
where not only have you watched it, you've also commented.
No one's forced you to listen or watch. And I
always find it interesting too, these people who really will write an essay about everything that you've done wrong and how you're wrong and that's not right and if you only knew, and you clearly haven't done your research, which has got to be the worst three words have ever been thrown together in a sentence by humanity. Yeah, for me,
I find that the things that you get people fought up is when if I criticize a cheaper Chinese car, especially the people who've bought one of those, tend to get very upset. But I mean, the point I always
try to make is that I drive a number of different cars from a number of different car makers in the same sort of you know area, and there are other cars who do this better than this one. Yes,
you've saved a lot of money buying this whatever it is.
Have al jolly on, let's just say, but there are other ones that are much better, and you haven't driven all of those. Yeah, and if you had, you might
agree with me.
Well.
A great example of exactly that we shot a Polestar two.
I think it was made of mine. Ben owns it.
Great wedding photographer if anyone needs a wedding photographer. Ben
Helen legend, and he was raving about how great this car is. And I hadn't written, hadn't driven a Polster.
I'm a bit of a closet Volvo fanboy. I have
had an eight fifty R and I had Volvers in our family. And I was very excited to do the Pollster.
And I cannot tell you how much he raved about this thing. And he's had it for a while and
drove it, and I was just, it's not a bad car, but it's certainly not a good car. It's a car.
It exists. Yeah, and that's about the best thing I
can say about it. Yeah. And I went back to him. He's, oh, yeah,
what do you think. What do you think? It is amazing? Hey?
And I said how many cars have you driven? And
he's like three?
And I yeah.
I said, if you want to keep loving the Polster, don't drive anymore. He said, oh, what do you mean,
late dude. It's fine, it's fine. Yeah, but it's not.
It's not it's not like due, don't don't drive Alexis n X. Whatever you do, don't drive that. But you
you'll get rid of the Polstone a heartbeat.
Yeah, it's the interior and it kind of has that ikea vibe about it.
I've so scammy.
Ye I've often thought who would own one of these cars because like it feels like you're driving like the conference room of an airport sort of travel lodge, and it's it's very it's just straight up and down. Like
there's nothing brilliant about it. There's nothing terrible about it.
And that's the problem. It's so boring in that respect,
Like even if there was shit terrible about it, at least that would be they would cause some sort of emotion within me.
It's just it's just it's a very convincing appliance.
Yeah, that's all it is.
It's it's yeah, I'm not I'm not going to rag on it. It's not a bad car, no, but yeah.
I'd find interesting how like Volvo have a differentiate the two brands because there is now so much crossover between them, and there is now Yeah, the ES ninety the sedan, I mean, they charge a lot more for it, I think than what Polestar do. But it is it looks
well less like a Polestar.
Yeah, it's funny, isn't. It's like here in here, and
they did such a better job at differentiating the two.
Yea.
Even Lexus and Toyota, but yeah, you're right, like Polestar and Volver It's like, hang on, they're the same, aren't they Like yeah, sure, But then maybe because we're car guys, we we know that.
You know.
I'm amazed when people can't believe. Like I've had friends
of friends who have bought an Ouda three and I'll start talking Aboutvolkswagen golfs and they're like, what do you mean, what do you mean there's the same and it's the same car. It's got a different different body, panels and interior,
but underneath it's the same car, and they can't believe them. Like,
you know, Volkswagen owns just like we take it as just standard given. Yeah, but a lot of people don't
realize that stuff. Yeah.
I do love those videos that you say, where it's like they'll pull out, pull pull apart like a Lamborghini or something and find outy bits in like the on the lights and stuff.
We did a video ages ago where we found out that the park break the park break caliper brake pad on an invented door is exactly the same as the tire a particular tire now on the Volkswagen. That part
is like forty nine dollars. Have you guess how much
the Lamborghini part was at a zero? At least two
and a half thousand dollars?
Yeah, who's that guy?
Matt Armstrong?
Mad Armstrong. Yeah, he's extraordinary the way he will go through. So,
this guy Matta Armstrong, what he does is here he gets a ridden off, ridden off like supercar from Rari Lamborghini.
He had that. I think he had a horror he
had a Hurrican. What did he have where he bought
it from that experience company? Yeah, he's just finished an
invented anyway. So it's extraordinary to watch this guy because
he came from like as a bus boy or something like that, washing dishes, and what he would do was in his spare time, like his breaks and stuff, he would film himself repairing like an Audi TT something like that.
And eventually he worked up to this like a supercar.
And as he pulls his supercar apart, he's like, fuck, I need a new parking brake or like a new parking light globe or this and that, and he'll go, oh, it's three hundred dollars for this light globe if I bought it from Lamborghini. But if I bought it from Audi,
it's sixty cents, you know, Like.
He's doing a Chiron at the moment. So he's doing
a full rebuild of a Chiron.
Wow.
The I think the air bag, I know, the air bag like units, let's call them from an Audi A three.
The steering pump I think is from a Volkswagen Passat. Wow,
there's a Chiron and it's got Volkswagen and Audi parts in it. But even closer to home. So Jim ol mechanic,
this is a great one. He had a funnily enough,
a BAT fifty, the Ford Ranger BT fifty. Had a
customer come in and let's say it was a water pump.
I can't remember exactly what part. And the customer was
adamant had to be Mazda OEM parts. And Jim was saying, well,
because they've warranty or something.
I know he's got a.
Mazda BT fifty. He spent you know, sixty grand on
he wants it to be mas done. And Jim said, well, yeah,
but it's it's actually a Ford Ranger. It's a Ford
Ranger with a body king. No, no, no, no, no,
it has to be the master parts. Jim tried to explain, like, yeah,
but the mazdaparts will be more than the forward parts, and it's the same had to be mas done. So
Jim's like, okay, cool, we'll order the master parts. Gets
on the MASDA.
Part, you know, parts portal website and orders the water pump, and the order goes through and the order turns up from Closter Ford in a MASDA box, right, but the part came from the Ford dealership in Newcastle. Jim takes
another box out of the MASDA box and it's a Ford box. So it's literally a Ford box.
Wrapped with a mass of box raped around it. Pulls
the part out, It's got Ford logos all over it.
It's a Ford model number. The problem was I think
the forward part was say, let's I'm pulling numbers out of the air, but it's around this. The Ford part
was about three hundred and fifty dollars. The mass De
part was eight hundred and fifty dollars. And it's the same.
It is exactly the same.
It's a Forward part.
This shit happens across all the cars, even in terms.
The guy's going to kill me for telling this story.
We shot an out a four. That guy, maybe I
shouldn't tell it. Tale, go on, you know you want it.
You can't do that.
Yeah, no, no. So this particular person had eighty four
and he works in the IT department of a big dealership network and they do Volkswagen, Scoda Audi. Right, So
Audi the hourly rate was like two hundred and fifty dollars an hourter an hour, sorry, Skoda was like one twenty five an hour. Now, the Audi he has underneath
is exactly the same as a Scoter SUPERB, same cup, different different body panels. He knew the parts that need
to be replaced for this major service. So because he
works in the I T department, he ordered the SCO departs for his Audi. So then he takes the car
in and the service service department. Now underneath this dealership network,
you've just got a whole bunch of hoists and a whole bunch of people right there. So the same humans
working on Audi's, Volkswagen, Scots, the other brands they have.
It's not like there's an Audi section in a Volkswagen section and a Scoter section. No, No, it's the same
bunch of generally apprentices working on these cars. So the
girl reception goes, oh, no, no, no, I've got you.
I've got you down for Scoter like Scotera time and Scoda parts. He's like, yeah, yeah, but you know, I
work with you guys, and I know it's an Audi, but it's it's a Scoter. It's the same, the same thing,
and like, no, no, no, no, no, it has to be the Audi thing.
And he had this.
Argument with them because why would you pay more than double for the labor, way more than double for the parts when it's the same people, which the same party.
There's people four for the brand name. Bullshit, all the
all the hype around Landrover, Range, Rover, Audi, BNW, Mercedes, it's all bullshit. It's all smoke and mirrors. It's like
it's like having two white T shirts out of the same factory. One's got a little brand name on it,
the other one doesn't, and one's two hundred dollars and one's forty nine dollars. They're the same fucking T shirt,
but some idiot is willing to pay the extra money for the one with the tiny brand name on it because their life is empty and they need to lean on a brand name. On themselves.
My argument is, if he's that concerned about it, he should have just bought a fucking out Scoti suburb.
Yeah, and you know, I think he got the audio because he's got a crazy deal on the AUDI. But
it's one of those things I just again, I think because I deal with this day in day out, and brand means nothing to me. I just I can't believe
what some people will put themselves through just to have the brand name. But I also have to remember I'm
fortunate enough that to get to drive all these cars and deal with this shit all the time. If I'm
like if I work in finance or I'm a plumber and I aspire to own an AMG one day, and that's what I want my garage because that will make me feel good for working my ass off every single day to get dream car. I've got to remember that
means something to somebody. For me, it doesn't mean shit.
I couldn't. I don't care what's written on it as
long as it does what I want a car to do.
I mean, I don't care what brand it is.
Let's go around the table before we wrap up. Let's
go with something something would love to buy it's secondhand.
Since we've got the expert here, what would we get secondhand? Say,
under thirty thousand dollars?
Oh okay, look, I the first thing that leaps to mind ed that actually took me completely by surprise, and I really enjoyed it. And I don't think they actually
even make it anymore. Is the Ford Escape?
Yeah?
Underrated?
Yeah, absolutely underrated. Don't see many of them on the road,
and so good to drive. I was just I had
zero expectation going in and just really loved it, almost to the point that I thought, I think I need to buy one of these.
I think that's a super intelligent choice. If that is
a better forward focus RS engine. That's the Eco Boost
two leader that yearboxes.
Yeah, it just went great. Card it was so good.
How good is the calibration, the way it handles and drives, it's just so it's such a good car.
Yeah.
Yeah, And and no one knows about it. I mean,
I don't think they actually make them anymore. I think
they And it's cheap.
They're so cheap on the US market, so you can't I was going to say thirty grand, so you can't get them front of thirty grand. Well and truly.
Yeah, yeah, which was a tricky one. We were talking
about MX five's before, so my brain's going automatically that that that could be fun. Oh yeah, I mean you
could get a box to probably from under under thirty.
I knew you you'd go down there.
You can't leave tragic to leave them alone.
Yeah, gen one box, I forget the yes, just the two point seven letter, the base model one cracking thing.
Yeah, good fun. I drove the twenty sixteen box to
S the other day. Yeah, I loved it. It sounded
really nice.
Great.
The guy just had done a few bits and pieces to it that I didn't like. But yeah, I think
i'd say an MX five. I would have said an
RX seven, but you can't buy those for under thirty more.
I had a two sixty Z once upon a time.
I love that car, and yeah, I sort of dabbled looking at them recently. Fuck hell, they have gone through
the roof, especially the one that I want, Like the one I want is basically the one I sold and the condition that I sold it in and you can't get that for under seventy grand.
No, it's nuts disappointing mine. I'm actually literally looking at
buying right now. So my daily is a Ford Fiesta
ST which I adore. I love. That car is the
Mark seven, so it's the three door, but I really could do with some rear doors and a little bit more space inside at the moment. And also I want
to get back to the snow a lot this year, so all drive it would be good. And there's a
car that is being very slept on, and I shouldn't mention this because I hope no one else catches on to how amazing these are. So send the price through
the roof the two thousand and nine super through WRX STI specc from Japan. Now here's the difference in Australia.
That's the hatchback, the pumped guard hatchback STI from that period.
The Australian once had a two point five liter. They
have a habit of going boom. The Japanese ones have
a two leader that revs to nine thousand rpm. What
they have, more power, more talk, all forged internals, twin scroll turbo, better gearbox, better electronics, better drive, better everything, better breaks.
You hang on You had a WRX one three.
Yeah, this this O nine specc is I reckon the most slipt on performance car you can buy at the moment.
So would would this be an import?
Yep, JDM. You get it from Culton Classic. Justin Culton
Classic and Mitagong best importer in the country. They're less
than thirty thousand dollars two hundred and forty five killer five door hatchback.
Where they went through that weird round headlight.
So you guys, so you've got you got the original wxlected Classic which is the GC eight, then five rally win them. Then you've got the round headlight, the Blobeye.
Then you've got the three versions that Blobeye, bug Eye and Hawkeye Yea, which is the kind of their same body but just different fronts. Then we get into the
ones we're talking about third generation.
It's still square them off, yeah a little bit.
The w Rex in Australia was a narrow body and it looked bloody horrible. But then the STIs were like
the pumped pumped arches and it looks looks the shit.
But it's specifically the Spec C with the two liter from Japan. Yeah, like really shit hot ones with like
delivery k is of forty five grand. But you can
get a SPECC with about one hundred thousand k's on it for less than thirty and I'm honestly there's one coming into Australia in about two weeks in WRC Blue, and I think it might happen my new daily. I'm
just going to get the sponsors on board to help me with the Apple car play and stereo and wheels and suspension and yeah, we're going to do a few videos on it.
Actually, I said, last time I was at this, I saw a Jymney just go absolutely fine up the mountain.
I don't even think it had chains on.
They're amazing. There's a guy in Newcastle does a really
good turbo kit.
Oh yeah, is it worth getting done? You reckon?
I haven't driven it yet. He's on the back about
driving it and it's not it's not crazy powerful, but it makes a huge difference.
Yeah.
There's a couple of super charger kits that are pretty good as well.
That's what I love about the Jymneys, Like I've looked at a lot of clips on them, and they're so easy to modify.
Oh yeah, they're always designed for it.
Yeah yeah, they're fucking like snap in, snap off, all that great thing thing.
So much fun.
Hey, we better wrap. Thanks for coming in.
Thank you.
We've got to do it again.
Yeah, we've got to do this again. He's the one
with the one the ugly face behind you there, yeah yeah right right, yeah, good looking guy. Look at him
with his dinis cheesy grin.
There isn't it.
I will.
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