The Volkswagen Bora is a Volkswagen sedan model. In the podcast, they’re talking about a restored-and-updated (“resto modded”) one, which usually means it’s been refreshed and improved while keeping the original car. The point is that it can become a more modern-feeling daily driver.
The Ford Capri is a sporty Ford model name that’s known from older cars. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as part of a specific car setup or modification. That means it’s being used as a reference point for a certain look or component.
Boreham Motor Works is the company being discussed as the builder of scratch-built, Ford-licensed continuation-style cars in the UK. In this segment, they’re described as producing both road-going and track versions, with licensing arrangements that let buyers purchase these cars rather than only viewing them as static displays.
A continuation series is when a company builds new cars that follow an older, classic design. It’s like making “new” versions of a car that originally came from an earlier era.
Scratch-built means the car is built new, not restored from an old one. The company starts with the main structure and then builds the rest of the car around it.
A unibody is how most modern cars are built: the body and frame are basically one strong structure. That’s why it matters for how the car feels and handles stresses.
An “exact replica” is a build meant to closely copy a specific older race car. In this case, the host is saying the car was built to match a particular Mark I Escort as faithfully as possible.
A touring car race uses cars that are based on regular road cars. The host is saying this car is the kind of race car you’d see in touring-car racing, not rally racing.
The Ford GT40 is a famous race car. Here, they’re saying the replica’s front suspension is based on the GT40’s race-car suspension design.
Concept
Holman Moody
Holman & Moody was a famous old-school racing team. The host is comparing the replica’s strategy—making it look right while still building it to meet racing realities.
Concept
scale model accuracy (7/8 or 77/8)
They’re talking about building a car that’s slightly smaller than full size but still looks right. In racing, small size changes can affect how the car fits and performs.
These are race seats made from carbon fiber. They hold you in place really well, but they usually have less soft padding than normal seats, so they can feel harder and less protective in a crash.
Curb weight is how much the car weighs when it’s ready to drive, without people or extra stuff. If it’s only around 1,600 pounds, it’s very light, so it can feel lively.
Right-hand drive means the steering wheel is on the right side. It’s common on some older cars and certain countries, and it can feel different from left-hand drive when you’re driving.
A four-speed means the car has four forward gears. You’ll typically shift more often than in a modern car, but it can be set up to keep the engine in the right rev range.
A grabby clutch grabs quickly when you let it out. That can make the car jump forward more than a softer clutch, so it takes a bit more finesse at low speeds.
Manual steering means there’s no power help from a motor. You feel the road more directly, but it takes more strength to turn the wheel, especially when parking.
Manual brakes mean the car doesn’t use power assistance to help you stop. You have to press harder on the pedal, but the braking feel can be more direct.
The segment describes a market shift toward “re-imagined” replicas: cars that keep the original’s styling but are engineered to reduce the original’s age-related problems. The idea is to use modern understanding of things like suspension geometry and mounting locations so the replica can drive better while still looking like the classic.
The Ford Mustang is a classic American muscle car. People love how it looks, but some want a version that drives more like a modern car instead of dealing with old-car problems.
Suspension pickup points are the spots on the car where the suspension parts bolt on. If you move them, you can change how the car’s wheels move and how it handles.
The Shelby GT500 is a very powerful version of the Ford Mustang. People talk about it because it’s a performance car with a strong reputation. In the podcast, they’re also discussing how a well-kept, ready-to-go example can be especially valuable.
Laser scanning is like using a laser to map the car’s shape in great detail. It helps builders copy the original more accurately than eyeballing measurements.
The Audi TT RS is a sporty, higher-performance version of the Audi TT. It’s designed to be quick and fun to drive in a smaller package. The podcast mentions it because people are interested in whether it’s still around or being made.
The Ford Escort is a popular Ford model that also has a big racing history. They’re saying a new version would be made for normal driving, not just the track.
The Ford RS 200 is a famous rally car from the 1980s. They’re saying their next “re-imagining” project will be based on that kind of hardcore, race-bred car.
The RS200 is a rally car model name associated with Ford’s motorsport history. In the podcast, they mention it in a way that suggests a newer version could use a more modern engine setup. People bring it up because the original is known for rally performance and is a recognizable enthusiast favorite.
Rear-drive means the back wheels get the power. It can make the car feel different when you accelerate, compared with cars where the front wheels do the work.
All-wheel drive means power goes to more than just one set of wheels. It helps the car grip better on wet or slippery roads, but it can be more complicated than simpler drivetrains.
Group B was a rally racing class with extremely powerful cars. It’s famous for being wild and fast, and it also had safety problems that changed rally rules.
“Track prepped” means the car has been set up for driving on a race track. It’s usually adjusted so it can handle hard driving better than a stock street setup.
“Period-correct” means the car is set up the way it would have been back when it was new. People care that the big parts—especially the engine—match the original style for that time.
Concept
race car feel
“Race car feel” is how a car feels when it’s set up like a track car—how the shifter and clutch respond, and how direct everything feels. It’s more about the driving experience than just horsepower.
Shift linkage is the mechanism that connects your gear lever to the transmission. If it’s set up for racing, it can feel more direct and accurate when you shift.
Company
evaludo
“evaludo” sounds like the company behind the car/build they’re talking about. They also mention it has a license to make only a limited number of products.
The Ford GT is a very fast, expensive sports car made by Ford. It’s meant to connect to Ford’s racing history. People talk about it because it’s built for performance and has a strong motorsport background.
The Cybertruck is an electric pickup truck made by Tesla. It’s designed to look very different from normal trucks, and it runs on electricity instead of gasoline. People talk about it a lot because it’s a big, unusual new take on a pickup.
Evoluto is the company behind the restomod Ferrari 355 being discussed. The hosts are comparing them to other companies that do similar “modernized classic Porsche/Ferrari” builds.
Car
Ferrari 355
The Ferrari 355 is a famous 1990s Ferrari with a V8 engine in the middle of the car. Here, they’re talking about a modified “restomod” version of it—basically an older Ferrari updated to feel more modern.
A restomod is a classic car that’s restored (kept true to the original) but modernized with updated engineering—often including suspension, brakes, electronics, and sometimes the powertrain. The point is to preserve the old-car look and feel while improving drivability and performance to contemporary standards.
Gunther Werks is another company that builds high-end restomods—classic cars upgraded with modern performance. The episode uses it mainly as a comparison for pricing and approach.
Air-cooled means the engine is cooled using air flowing around it, not liquid coolant. For older Porsches, it’s a big part of why enthusiasts care about the classic feel.
The steering rack is the part that turns your steering wheel movement into the wheels actually turning. If it feels “amazing,” it usually means the steering is quick and accurate.
The Ferrari 360 is a Ferrari supercar with the engine in the middle of the car. People talk about it because it’s fast and exciting, and it’s a well-known model in Ferrari’s lineup. In the podcast, it comes up as a car someone wants to own.
The Subaru 360 is a very small car made by Subaru. It’s known for being light and simple, and people enjoy it partly because of how it sounds and feels. The podcast is mentioning it as something that can run well and still be fun.
They’re describing a modern take on an older car idea. The goal is to keep what people love about the original, but update it so it drives and feels better.
Carbon fiber is a strong, lightweight material. Putting it in the right places on the car’s frame can make the car feel more solid and more responsive.
Unsprung mass is the weight of parts that move with the wheels rather than the car body. Less of it usually means the tires can follow the road better over bumps.
Brembo is a company that makes high-performance brake parts. Their brakes are often used on cars meant to drive hard or on track because they can handle heat and repeated stops better.
Carbon-ceramic brakes are a premium type of brake rotor made from ceramic material. They can stay consistent when brakes get very hot, but they cost a lot more than normal brakes.
Lock-to-lock ratio tells you how many steering-wheel turns it takes to go from turning all the way left to all the way right. Fewer turns usually makes the car steer quicker and feel more responsive.
The Acura NSX is a performance sports car known for its engineering-focused approach to handling and drivability. In this segment, the host references his Acura NSX to discuss steering feel and the need for a more direct steering setup.
The flywheel is part of the engine that helps smooth out power delivery to the transmission. A single-mass flywheel usually makes the car feel more immediate, but it can also make the drivetrain sound or feel a bit more “busy.”
The clutch is what lets the engine and transmission connect when you start moving. If the clutch engages more firmly, the car tends to respond faster when you release the pedal.
Concept
point a to point a
They mean the car is set up to drive well on a specific route, not just to be comfortable for long trips. Think “spirited drive” more than “road trip couch.”
RWB is a Porsche customization style that makes the car wider and more aggressive. Here they’re saying the best builds don’t just use wheel spacers—they change the suspension geometry so the car still drives well.
Offset is basically how “in” or “out” the wheel sits on the car. It affects clearance and can change how the steering feels, especially if you’re trying to fit wide wheels.
Lengthening control arms changes suspension geometry, which can improve how the wheels move through bumps and cornering. In this context, it’s presented as the “right” way to fit wide wheels on an RWB-style build without ruining ride and handling.
Wheel spacers push the wheels farther out. They can change how the car looks and fits, but using only spacers (without proper suspension changes) can make the car drive worse.
Shock control is how well the suspension dampers keep the tires planted and control the car over bumps. Better geometry means the shocks can do their job instead of the car feeling unsettled.
The T.50 is a high-performance supercar made by Gordon Murray Automotive. The podcast is talking about how its suspension and shocks are designed to control the ride and handling. That’s part of why people find it interesting: it’s built to feel very precise when you drive it.
They’re using “seven-tenths” like a scale for how fast or capable the car feels compared to a top benchmark. In this case, they think the stock version is noticeably less sharp than the fully optimized one.
Steering ratio is how sensitive the steering is. If it’s “slow,” you have to turn the wheel more to make the car turn the same amount, so it feels less responsive.
A “mushy” clutch feels soft or vague instead of sharp. It can make it harder to know exactly when the car is starting to move when you release the pedal.
Term
engine revs up a little slower
They mean the engine doesn’t spin up as quickly when you press the gas. That can make the car feel less punchy when you want it to accelerate out of a turn.
“Re-engineered” means the car was reworked with newer engineering instead of being built exactly the old way. The idea is that modern updates should make it drive and behave better.
A rear diffuser is a part under the back of the car that helps air flow more smoothly. That can make the car feel more stable, especially when you’re going fast.
Magnesium wheels are wheels made from a very light metal. Being lighter can help the car feel more responsive, especially when you hit bumps or change direction.
They’re talking about the shape of the wheel’s spokes. Instead of being simple, these spokes have a boxy, tapering look, and it can make the wheel look right—or wrong—on certain car designs.
The Audi R8 is a supercar made by Audi. It has a powerful layout and is designed to drive like a sports car, not just look like one. The podcast mentions it while talking about design details like wheels and styling.
The Lamborghini Gallardo is a well-known Lamborghini supercar. They’re saying that particular wheel spoke style is something you’d associate with the Gallardo’s look.
The Ferrari F40 is a famous old-school supercar from Ferrari. Here it’s being used as the style benchmark—people want the new wheel design to feel closest to the F40 look.
“High-back” seats have taller seatbacks that extend higher up around the upper torso and head area. In this segment, the hosts use that seat shape to argue the re-imagined interior is trying to feel like a modern Ferrari cockpit rather than matching the original era.
The Camaro is a sports car made by Chevrolet. Some versions, especially older ones from the late 1960s, are famous for their classic look. People bring it up because it’s a well-known performance car that many enthusiasts love.
A carbon rim means the part of the steering wheel you hold is made from carbon fiber. It’s often used because it can be strong and light, and it lets designers shape the wheel more precisely.
Car
Singer Evoluto
Singer Evoluto is a highly customized Porsche-based car. They’re talking about the steering wheel, saying its shape and materials make it feel better and more “right” for the driver’s hand position.
Some steering wheels have the safety airbag built into the wheel itself. That can make the wheel look and feel different because the airbag takes up room inside.
“Three spokes” just means the steering wheel has three main arms coming out from the center. It’s a common way to describe steering wheel design and styling differences.
“Low-mile” just means the car hasn’t been driven much. People often like that because it can mean less wear and tear.
Term
resale red
“Resale red” is shorthand for a paint color that tends to hold value better in the used market. The host is arguing that red is easier to sell (or commands higher demand) than non-red colors for this Ferrari.
They’re describing the car like it’s supposed to keep its value. The idea is that you might get more money back later instead of the car losing value quickly.
A gray market is basically “not the official way,” but still real sales. The manufacturer can’t fully control it, so it can affect what the car costs later.
The secondary market is the market for cars after they’ve already been sold new. It’s what determines what your car might be worth later.
Concept
replicas vs originals
They’re comparing replica cars to the real original ones. The surprising part is that the replica can cost more, depending on how it’s made and marketed.
Term
limited production number
Limited production means only a certain number of these cars exist. Fewer cars usually makes them more collectible and can help resale prices.
They’re saying that when a car is treated like an investment, people may avoid driving it so it stays valuable. That can clash with the normal enthusiast mindset of actually using the car.
This is a warranty that lasts for a certain number of miles. If you drive less than that, you stay covered.
Concept
recreation perfectly
They mean making a classic car “right,” not just copying the styling. The idea is to keep the original vibe while updating the engineering so it actually works well.
NVH is a car’s “feel” in terms of noise and shaking. The host is saying this car is a bit rougher/noisier than the original stock version, even though it drives very well.
A V12 engine is an engine with 12 cylinders. More cylinders usually means more components overall, so it can be more complicated and expensive to keep running.
The Ferrari 430 Scuderia is a more hardcore, more driver-focused version of the 430. The hosts are using it as an example of a Ferrari that can get extremely expensive when it’s rare and low-mileage.
The Ferrari F50 is a classic Ferrari supercar. The hosts mention it as another option if you’re spending big money and want something that feels special to drive.
They’re talking about cars being bought like investments. The idea is that some supercars cost a lot because people think they’ll be worth even more later, not only because they’re fun to drive now.
Wide open throttle means the gas pedal is pressed all the way down. It tells the engine to make as much power as it can, which is why it’s a big deal on a track.
Porsche 992 is the generation of the 911 that came out after the previous “996/997/991-era” cars. It’s the modern 911 people are buying now, including for track days.
HPDE is a type of track day where the goal is learning how to drive faster and safer with instruction. “Advanced” usually means you’ve proven you can handle passing and stay aware of other cars.
A track day company is the organizer that sets up a day where regular drivers can drive on a race track. They usually have rules and safety checks so you can show up and drive without chaos.
“Tech my car” means the track checks your car before you’re allowed to drive. They look for safety problems so you don’t end up with a dangerous failure on track.
The Hyundai Santa Cruz is a small SUV-like vehicle with a short bed in the back. It’s meant for people who want some truck usefulness but still want an easier-to-drive crossover. In the podcast, the name comes up as part of the conversation.
The Fiat 500 is a small car designed for city driving. The podcast mentions that it’s still sold in America, including an electric version. That means you can get the same basic idea of a tiny car, but with an electric powertrain.
The Grand Highlander is a larger Toyota SUV with three rows of seats. It’s made for families or anyone who needs extra space for passengers. The podcast is likely comparing it to another Toyota/Lexus-style option in the same general category.
The GMC Acadia is a family SUV with room for multiple passengers. The podcast mentions it in the context of a road trip, meaning it’s comfortable for longer drives. It’s the kind of vehicle people choose when they need space in an everyday SUV.
The Nissan GT-R is a very fast, performance-focused car. Here, the point is that newer GT-Rs can cost a lot more, but the driving feel may not feel “worth it” compared to older ones.
This phrase means “the car costs too much for how much fun it actually is.” The host thinks the BMW M2 CS isn’t a big enough upgrade over the cheaper version.
This phrase means “you get more fun than you’d expect for the money.” The host is arguing some cars feel like they should cost more than they actually do.
The BMW M2 CS is a more expensive, more performance-focused version of the BMW M2. The host thinks you’re paying a lot more money for a driving feel that isn’t dramatically better than the cheaper version.
The Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 is a very expensive-feeling, high-performance Corvette. The host’s point is that it may deliver a similar “wow” factor for less money than some supercars.
The Alfa Romeo 164 is an older Italian car. In this segment, the key idea is that someone bought a 1991 example mainly because it has a V6 engine that sounds great.
“Lemons” is a kind of race where people intentionally use inexpensive, imperfect cars. The goal is usually to have fun and keep the car running, not to build a super-serious race car.
Concept
DWA rallies
They’re talking about a rally-style event where people drive together and make the experience the point. The idea is that a weird-looking car can be more fun in an event like that than as a daily or on a race track.
Concept
overcrest rally
They’re describing rally driving that involves going over hill crests and uneven terrain. The point is that the car’s handling over bumps and tops of hills is what makes it interesting.
Stage rally is the competitive part of rallying where drivers race against the clock on closed roads. They’re saying they’d do a more casual group-drive style instead of the full timed stage-rally setup.
A “cage” in motorsport usually means a roll cage: a reinforced metal structure inside the cabin designed to protect occupants during crashes or rollovers. The hosts say you “got to put a cage in it” for track use, highlighting that safety equipment is a major cost when turning a street car into a track car.
Fire suppression is an automatic or quickly triggered system that helps extinguish a fire fast. It’s the kind of safety gear track events often require, and it adds cost to preparing a car.
Ferrari’s 250 series is a classic, high-status sports car from the 1960s. Here it’s used as an extreme example of buying someone a car that’s basically a rough, rusty project instead of a dependable daily driver.
A VIN is the car’s unique ID number used for ownership and registration. Saying it’s “surrounded by rust” means the car is so badly corroded that it’s more of a scrap/project than a real vehicle.
The Ferrari 250 GTO is an old Ferrari race car from the 1960s. It’s famous and extremely valuable because it’s rare and has a big racing reputation. People mention it when talking about serious collectors and historic performance cars.
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It's been a big week of driving for me and I have driven two very cool
Resto mods the Bora motor works Alan man escort and
Zach and I review the
Evoluto
355 I've brought along a stock one to
Compare to that actually takes up most of our show this week and we've got a few questions from the patrons that give us some good
Other things to ponder, but let's get this Resto mod episode of the smoking tire podcast going right now
Excuse me. I speak Jive
We live so funny. Hello everybody. I got I got duped
Hotel the other night on the fucking guide said airplane was on
Airplane was not on but you know what is on the volume on our television on the wall
That's not I mean yes, I mean it was by yes
I mean by no, I mean yes when I hit go live
It shows up on three different screens and I have to like close them and mute them each individually, so
That airplane was on the on the TV, but it wasn't it was some other movie that was not a comedy
I don't remember what it was, but I just the guide disappointed me. Oh, that's yeah
Oh, man. It's been
It's been a it's been a couple of week. I mean it's it's been a week my seven days
Monday was
355 Evoluto versus stock 355 yeah shout out to Austin
my
WCCS client and friend who brought his
stock 355 out
Wasn't quite stock. It had a fucking Capri stow on it and frankly that gets you a lot of the way there
But I'm writing about that for road and track so
Zack also drove the 355 of Eluto, but he didn't appear in the video
So we're gonna we're gonna come back to that that's gonna be sort of our main topic today because there's a lot of
Debate about is it good? Is it not good? Well, but but some other items the next day
I go out to to Willow Springs to a little members day little members play day
It's one of those things they bring out the fucking race cars and shit
It was the day before actually it was Sunday the F1. Oh, yeah
It was the F1 watch party. So they they put up like a 20-foot screen in the chilling area outside the
In the street at streets. Whoa. So like yeah
So there's like you're in the paddock jumping in and out of race cars
But the race is just like on the whole it was pretty cool
That's very cool and I drove this escort
So the comp there's a company called Dr. Durvin DRVN
We've now know they're from Scotland
And actually I have a very funny connection to the family that I had randomly met
The the the guy the main guy from driven Mr. Driven
Mr. Driven when I was in Scotland on vacation with my family
I off handedly mentioned that I'm randomly in Scotland and run into mr.
Jww James Walker who was with someone he describes as a business partner. Well, that's the guy. That's the guy who was so this company driven
Does the evoluto? Yeah, they're also doing this thing which we have on the screen
Which is called the Boreham Motor Works
And Boreham Motor Works is going to be doing a run of continuation series
Ford's now
Unlike the evoluto which starts with a you you provide a 355 and they do their their thing
These Boreham cars are scratch-built cars. So sort of like Ravology
Okay, because we also had the go right in Ravology. They build the unibody or scratch built and under license
So these these Boreham cars are actually licensed by Ford in
The UK and you can buy them so that that silver one in the first row on the Instagram there
So this is going to be the road going version of
No, I didn't realize that was a real. I thought it was a static, but that's gonna be a road going version
This is the track version. Well the Allen man
Edition esc escort Allen man 88 edition
So I got to drive it at the at the old members day. They were bringing them out. I figured this out
This is so this is actually the shit. This is this is a I found a
loophole
Into a backdoor into the system
By singing for my supper as it were with this with this company
Full like like the the evaludo was at the members track like if you're a member
You could drive it well on the track. Oh, that's right the same parent company. They were like, yeah
So I'm the escort drive these things out for members to try and maybe buy and by the way a couple it did
So it works the press so this so they're just yeah, it's like a quail, but you drive
Fucking crazy. So I
Drove this escort it is again. It's a scratch built car. So it has it but
the road car is gonna be a a
Like you like like revology modern manufacturing applied to this very specific shape
Mm-hmm, you know, but just make a great
Car that looks like this and Ford says you're allowed to okay that that's not this what I drove is the race car
This is designed to be an exact replica of this mark one escort that was a British
It's not a red. They got so mad at me
I kept calling it a rally car because us Americans only think of these as rally cars. This is a touring car. Yeah, so I can't I
Didn't make a video if I did I would have said it wrong a hundred times
But I said it wrong to them a bunch and they were like listen motherfucker
Touring car. Yeah, so this thing weighs 1600 pounds and
Has it
The front suspension
Architecture is apparently copied from the Ford GT 40
It's this is not exactly the same dimensions as the standard escort
It's like one of those Holman moody
Like remember the Holman moody NASCAR back in the day
It's a very famous story where they built like they built it to like seven eights or 77 eights scale
We're like looked right, but it was like smaller
This is that where it like it looks right, but it's like different enough and it won the touring car championship and
Honestly, I don't care a lot about vintage touring cars
So the fact that I had never even heard of this dude Alan man, which maybe makes me a bad car fan
But like whatever I looked at that and I went can I drive that because it looks incredible and they went yes
and so I went out and
The only thing that's doesn't is not period correct is the carbon bucket seats, which I mean the period seats would be like you
Do if you had a crash you'd probably fucking just die
Yeah, it would come up to like the middle of your back or something like that
Like no headrest
But this is very funny because the only padding on this carbon bucket is the headrest itself
The rest of it is shiny and black and hard. Yeah, I would probably order mine with a padding in it
Yeah, to get some so like I said, it's
1600 pounds at the curb okay, and has a 208 horsepower
in-house
Provided it's a quote BRM style
so it's a it's a sort of
Copy of like you can't you couldn't get the original engine that this race with so they've remade one that's as close as you can get
It revs to like 8,500 rpm. It's four-speed. This one is right-hand drive. I think they're all right-hand drive as a matter of fact
Great notchy four-speed the clutch is is grabby like a race cars
But once you're moving, you know, yeah out of a standstill, it's it's totally fine
manual steering manual brakes
And you just you know you hear and feel everything I
Couldn't get out of this thing this car this thing was so goddamn fun
I took it out probably like four times Wow if it was there I was like can just can I go out on that again?
I like 100 horsepower less 208 horsepower at 1600 pounds
You know and being on the right and willows, you know streets of willow is a clockwise corner
I'm on the inside of of more more corners and and
I'm pretty like I'm actually pretty good at like I can I can drive
90
Percent as fast as I could drive on the left on the right pretty close like I'm I don't know if I'd want to enter a race but like I
Can they they you know, I guess because most people
Can't they have a pro driver shout out to Simon who was fucking awesome. He was so cool this guy
Oh, gee Ford guy. He's been with with was with Ford performance and racing forever
So he was like the driving coach, so he was like you gonna be okay
I was like I think so and after like half a lap. He was like, all right. Let's fuck it
We were just going and it was so fun to kick the shit out of this car
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The the bad thing it's
470,000 what's the body made out of?
Probably aluminum what happened?
Okay, it's a it's not carbon
It's it's exact it's I think it's all aluminum. Yeah, it's just there's nothing in it
It's just it's tiny and there's nothing in it, but the way it takes curbs, you know, you can when you go
Turns like 567 and those little s's at the in the back. Yeah, yeah
You can just ride way up on the curbs and those and it it slides
Pretty good on the on the entry obviously
It's not quite enough power to just like smash the throttle and get oversteer like so you really have to enter the bus stop
Super hot and you can do it
But it doesn't really want to just slide on the entrance to the front
Powerful like modern compound on the tires
Yeah, you know good grip you could probably set it up with different tires and alignment and stuff to make it slide
Sure, better, but as a as a vintage experience like it was not slow
Like this thing kind of rips like I wonder if these will be permitted in something like Vara, you know
Yeah, they say it is wow. Yeah, because it because it's not I mean cuz it's a new build
But yeah, it's it's yeah, they say and I also think I
Think there's an open secret in vintage racing
Which is that they're happy to get anybody into vintage racing even if it means the car is brand new and just looks like the old car
Like I'm pretty like these you know people who go to Goodwood or like yeah
Like all the cars are like the replica of the actual true
But there but Goodwood is different price point than Vara, you know like when I've gone to the Vara races
It's like that's where the the 2000 twos are running and the alphas and stuff and those can be
Expensive for most people like you know 40 to 80 grand but not 20 million for the Ferrari
Yeah, I
From what I understand this is will be eligible for like most vintage racing series
If that's what you wanted to do with it
I think if you actually wanted to go racing this is probably too expensive
So is it are they building this because these are so beloved in the UK?
And there's just not many of them left anymore
Like our friend effort and he's got one of these but it's it's a left-hand drive
You know race car track car, but like they're probably hard to find
They're they are kind of hard to find
But also I mean I'm actually gonna write for road and track this month and my column
Just came out yesterday by the way about searching for the budget Bentley, which is I think kind of a fun piece
I didn't it came out better than I thought it would um, but uh
I'm writing next month about this and the revology
Both of which have found themselves in a position where
Recreations call replicas. I mean straight up you like they don't like to use the word but like that's what it is
Are costing more than the real thing?
You know like you talk about a GT 40 or a cobra like the reason a replica exists is because
The real and used to 250 GTOs and blah blah blah like that's that's why fucking replicas exist
Like why would you replicate a car where the original would be less than the replica?
So it's an interesting shift in the market where
people
Seem to prefer it to drive maybe better or something or they just they don't they want an old car
But don't want the don't even like the idea of
Any of the problems that could be associated with an old car? I think that's exactly it
And when you have the money, yeah, as I said in the video like much of your life is about removing
Problems that you don't like that are removable. Yeah, and so here you go
Well, I love the way the GTO looks or the Mustang looks but what I always hate about them is
Can you fix this and someone's gonna say yes cuz I need to paycheck and like that just leads to where we are with
Ravology and all these other companies that are doing really really high quality work. Yeah and essentially going all right
It's gonna look like the thing you love
But it's not going to have any of the issues and it's gonna drive better and it's gonna use you know modern engineering and understanding of
Suspension if we can move those pickup points a little bit or whatever and then you end up with something. That's great
Yeah, I mean which does beg the question
has
superformance been doing just that for many years and
yet their products sell for
five percent ten percent of the cost of an original car
whereas this escort and
And and just pull up pull up not cars and bids because it'll be too old pull up bat and look
Let's see what recent mark one Ford Escort like
Would what has gone maybe we'll look at maybe look on racing junk or whatever
So yeah, let's see. Yeah. Yeah, there was there was a subcategory for mark one. Yeah, here we go. What do we got I?
Mean dude
The
Go look at that one the FIA tribute. Look at that. Yeah, the second 37,000
37 pop that all bro. Look at the rate. How about the race car? I
Mean, what's the most expensive one on here?
That race car that
68 that's a no sale at 55, but it's not like this dude
Hold it out for 58 years ago. Oh, wow
So I want to go more recent more recent
2025
Geez 2020. Wow the guys so these don't sell very often. I just think the United States didn't care as much. Yeah
But in the US looks cool. Yeah, I mean look this one is
$30,000, you know and so that's if there's a point against it's that this is
This car as amazing as it was to drive and it was fucking amazing is
like
Many multiples of what it would cost to get. Yeah, dude
You could have Richard Tothill build you one of these things for fucking probably half this money
Well, I bet he'd charge 470 unless you brought him the shell and he just tuned it
But like if you were having him build the body, I mean it it's well body from scratch
Yeah, for sure. Yeah from scratch. Yes, but I'm talking about the you know with let's revology a great
Museum grade turnkey GT 500 is look by what 250
Regular one is a real 67 probably sure and revologies 380, right?
So it's 50% more for a car that's like new replica drives better
But I think it's I just think the math is is a lot more off on an escort now having said that
Borum has
This license that's going to extend. Oh, wow. We got look at that x carol Shelby 67
GT 500. Oh, this is for sale now. It's up right now
This
But it's the only comp we got up here, that's all that's why I pulled it up
So let's just say
If it was not Carol Shelby's car, it would sell for what it's at now. Maybe 210 250
Yeah, 250 250, you know if it's if it's somehow otherwise interesting or perfect or whatever
350 but I doubt it would go for much more than
The actual revology
Which is a you know, it's just a thing. It is a very interesting talking about an escort that is a
30 to 50,000 I'm now I bet this
No disrespect. I bet the the replica Allen man rest escorts
Individually however many they make I think it's 25 or something. They're doing I bet the real fucking race car would probably sell for that
You know or something thereabouts
Or not and you know or more possibly more but not like
Multiples more here. Yeah, this is our am auctions. Oh, this is the actual car and what what was it? What was the hammer price?
That would actually be
See, I mean, it's awesome. It does look at 210. Huh?
Is this when was this from?
Oh
No date on this second thing. Oh sold for 200,000 pounds
So there you go. Yeah, what year was this post made now these folks by the way probably bought this
They said they own the real car and they laser scanned it to they took it apart and laser scanned it to build this one so
But but again, that's the real one. That's the one the only one real one
I under I do am I concerned with this type of thing is that it's it's it runs risk of billing being a Radford
Where like they think this thing is a lot more well known
Then it actually really is outside of there. Well, it depends on how many that if they have to sell 25
I I would say I hope there are 24 people in Britain who absolutely love touring cars at this time
And you got one person the US who's heard of it because that that's one guy at Willow Springs
I
Can't be sure if he had any idea who the fuck Allen man was but he drove it and was I didn't I didn't watch him
Send a wire, but I'm 90% sure he's gonna buy it
I mean, that's the other thing is you have people today that have so much money. Yeah, that they go
Oh 400000 dollars to have the fun fizz. I just had sure yeah
And they just because it's him that's point oh two percent and then later
They'll sell it for a loss of 200 maybe well
What's very interesting? Did you know did you hear the and we'll circle back to the evaludo here?
Well before I go to that this is actually this whole escort thing is a really interesting discussion because I was on
Tormenting tarmac that you've been on with or hey shout out or but he said he asked do you think we have hit the end of like
Recreation nostalgia. No, and I was like I don't think so because all they're doing is doing exactly what we just talked about they're finding a
Car from an era that people loved and they'll just keep making it and maybe someone's doing an Audi TT
Wow, I didn't know that no
Become even the supercars have become such
digital things that people are seeking the
the
Not the car they actually had in high school or wanted in high school as it existed
But the version of it they've created in their mind
Like the way you might remember that ex-girlfriend and I'm fucking high school
That was like great in bed, but like a terrible human or whatever and like what part are you thinking about 30 years later?
Like I want that well because why else would you be doing this to an Audi TT?
Yeah, I mean they do it to you know movies the reboots
It's like hey, what if we made that movie with modern CGI especially if it the movie previously was made with like early graphics
Yeah, early computer generated stuff and
You know so so not everybody knows who the fuck Alan Mann is or maybe they do it
I'm just an idiot, but I don't think they do I think it's a little niche having said that
They're doing a road car version of this escort, which will be very cool. It'll have a normal clutch
It won't have the the race motor that's in this one
It will have a more modern powertrain
That's designed to be like used a lot and then the net the next car they're doing is a fucking RS 200
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Then the net the next car. They're doing the fucking RS 200 now that
goes back to
Maybe an original is
Too expensive to buy and therefore a replica isn't but there's also they're doing it at
103 percent scale oh
So slightly bigger
Hopefully for the pedal box. It's also not going to have front drive
It's gonna be a rear-drive car
Interesting and it's it is going to be built using modern manufacturing methods
It's not going to be a built like the original because it's so it's going to look like it
And then I said oh what engine are you going to use and I I promised I would not say what they told me
But when they told me it I went
You're gonna kill people
That's what I said and they're like no, no, it'll be cool and I was like I
Think you might kill people like I that sounds fucking sketch and he went just wait to try it
All right
But
So moving the safety of all wheel drive
Interesting. So why they're doing that some oh something weird has happened on bring a trailer. Why is what happened there?
What where on what's it with bring a trailer? What's with those two listings that are the same and also different and
I remember they sold two weeks apart. I don't know. It's fucking weird. Am I I don't know. I don't anyway
I think a real like
Dude wasn't Ken blocks RS 200 like half a million bucks
Probably it was also 700 horsepower like it was built
I sat in that car and it was one of the least comfortable cars I've ever sat in I was shocked
Well, that was why I asked I said, you know, what are you gonna do about size?
Because like a lot of people are sized out of that particular car and that was what they what they told me
So, you know like dude, I 100% want to try whatever the fuck they build
I mean the rally car or excuse me. See I just did it again touring car was ink
Like I realized it's insanely expensive and completely out of touch for
99.99% of people but like as a taste fuck was out of that was a fizzy ass taste
I think the question is in one that they probably wouldn't want answered is if you could do a compare
Oh find someone that has a track prepped, you know
Yeah, he sold it he's was pretty rad and he didn't get $470,000
He's also wasn't period-correct engine. I think I think it was a turbo cause worth in it. Yeah
Like but if you had someone they just had a normal kind of period-correct one and you drove that next to this one
How much of the fizz do you get? You know, is it 80% or is it 92%? Yeah, cuz you know race car
Feels like race car. Yeah, they get that shift linkage, right?
And if everything else is period-correct, they might get very close this felt like fucking race car this thing
I mean the clutch makes no mistake about it
But the lack, you know the the metallic wrasse of all of it
But I and I wouldn't want to drive it on the street
It would be annoying on the street like it would I if you bought that and put a plate on it and drove on the street
they're like
Cuz after I drove it, I was like, I don't have my fucking camera gear with me
But I'd love to fucking do a video with this and they said well
Maybe we can leave it with you and if you can get it back out to the track and I was like I have a dealer plate
I'll wear a helmet. I'll just try now. They're like, please don't do that. But also you won't enjoy it
I'll get seven views track review of $500,000
Obscure 20 car race car in the canyons would get a fucking million views. No, right? Yeah
But it was sick
It was a real treat. So this is that's all that's the same company that is is is running
Is also evaludo. That's very cool. Yeah, and so, you know, they have they supposedly have a
license to make 10 products
I mean, I'll imagine, you know a
who's whose list of sort of
Ford Motorsport greats
So hmm under Ford GT will be there or GT 40 would be like I'm they're pinnacle all but certain. Yeah
I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the other the other companies that have that make and have made a GT 40 replicas
Like I'm not really sure like what their licensing agreement is exactly but like I
Don't know. Hmm. Ten products. That's a lot and products is a lot all from Ford. Yeah. Wow. Yeah
It's like, what are the heroes through the years? Like is there are there ten? Oh, for sure, especially if you go
If you if because when he said streetcar and and race car were two different products. Oh, yeah, okay
That's easier. Yeah, so this escort is two products. This counts as in there in their math, right?
You can make five cars two different ways pretty much. Yeah, so no Ed's all is what I'm thinking when I when you said ten
I was like, whoa, did I did we do the Ed's all versus Cybertruck math on this show?
Did I was did I bring out have that we mean the the Ed's all is a car
That's like a joke of what a failure it is like it's like an early example of like almost like a meme, right?
Like if you have cars a failure, it's like an Ed's all is like the example of a bomb a total bomb, right?
But they sold
Twice as many Ford Ed's all's
To a population half the size we have now
Sold cyber trucks
To our current population, let's see what Google AI says they sold about a 120000 total
Ed's all Ed's all sorry Ed's all the brand got discontinued in 59
It was a loss of about 3000000000 dollars in today's money. Yeah
so
anyway, let's circle back to the
355
Evoluto
Yeah, did you just go wow because the math is that math yeah?
Cybertruck sold half as many and there's way more people there's twice as many people in the country don't seem as much anymore
You really don't all right. I just saw a bunch
Seattle I saw so many fucking cyber trucks in Seattle so many I don't know why but there's way more than they are in LA
They're great in the snow, maybe yeah, maybe that's why but like
But I'll come back to to that at the end, but let's talk about the 355 by
Evoluto everybody man, they really ran a press launch with this thing didn't they everybody got to have a go
So this is a
Resto modded
Ferrari 355 and sort of
Unlike sort of Singer and Gunther works
Which are which is where the price point is of this thing is to is in between those two
This they haven't really
Like with Singer at least in the beginning of the company
It was the their classic what's now called their classic right what was formerly just was just what they did
Was a highlight reel of
Porsches from that entire era from the 60s through the 90s, right?
They highlight reel all that make everything better and that was what their their thing was
That was how they described what their process was right the everything is important
Gunther works. I don't know why I said it with a German accent. They're from fucking Newport Beach, but
But when you look at the word, yeah, they
Go back to
1998 and they quote imagine
Porsche had continued development of not just air-cooled, but the 993 specifically until
Today right and they want it to lap a racetrack the same pace as a modern GT 3
But with it with an air-cooled car. That's what they want to do, right?
So it's it's race car shit in a in a veiled, you know thinly veiled sort of street car livery, right?
That's what they're doing
evoluto
Didn't have a way to me to express
What their like vision was other than we want to modernize
The 355 that they never really had a deeper a sort of end of the story a deeper story than that
Maybe there's evidence that you actually don't need a deeper story than that or maybe there's evidence that you do
So why don't you start because I got to drive it in the video
So you at least heard my fucking baseline or most people did but no one's heard from you yet on this thing
So why don't you start?
Well, I had also never driven a stock 355 before so it's obviously been a lot interesting
My to-do list because I do think as many people do that is one of the best-looking cars ever built
And of course they have the unfortunate reliability record that they do which keeps a lot of people away
Lot lot of good in this car and again
I hadn't driven a regular one
But I have driven for ours that have slow steering and so this thing the steering rack is amazing
Yeah, you know the handling is great the turn in is really good
The suspension is not too stiff the sound is obviously like you know what you hear as you enter the gates of heaven basically
You know small small for IV 8 to always sound amazing and like I think I had been in the car for 12 seconds
And I was like I need to buy a Ferrari 360 like I'm shifting and going I should do the Vin and just buy a clapped out
For our 360 just to hear this sound when it works
Well 360s do do work by and large pretty good, but yeah, you follow Vin and option stories the car's been down for a little bit
So I mean yeah, but he he bought a particularly shot one and then started
He's taking that thing apart putting it back together fucking 50 times. That's a true project car
He's changing things on his own
I mean as an experience, you know, holy crap like it does all of the things we wish I think more new cars did
It doesn't feel heavy. The size is nice. The steering is good the shifting is great power is totally fine
Like it's it's louder than it is fast, but it's still pretty fast
I mean, I just I found the whole thing a joy and then
And to look at it to see what they've done and they've tastefully modified it versus the stock one
I think they did a fantastic job
color pops and all that stuff, but then
There are a couple of things we'll get to I'm sure that we're imperfect and when you're talking at this price point
Mm-hmm, and when you're comparing them
I think fairly too singer because this is the price point you're at and also they've set the bar
You know if you want to reimagine something and improve on something old
Well, you can do it this well and charge a million dollars
And if you're gonna charge
800,000 essentially like you should get real close, but I think you should get closer than 80% of the way there
You know I found it to be I mean it's fantastic. It was just fantastic
Yeah, so I have driven stock 355s and in fact drove another one side-by-side so so
One of the things you breezed over was the steering. It's they've done a lot with this car
I think it's important to talk about that for all this money you you get a lot
They strip a car down to nothing they reinforce the chassis with strategically applied carbon fiber
It's lighter by 200 pounds. It's 200 pounds
So it's about 3,000 pounds the whole body is carbon
There's a lot of
unsprung mass that's taken out of it the the hubs or titanium
There's a lot of titanium and magnesium bits and stuff
The track width is wider. It's 77 millimeter wider in the back 66 millimeter in the front wider
Obviously the wheels are modern sizes with giant brakes Brembo
Brembo brakes. They're not carbon ceramic, but it doesn't need it. They're motorsport grade brakes and the car is not heavy
The steering
The stock car has a 3.2 turns lock-to-lock ratio. This is 2.0 turns lock-to-lock
So when you talk about the steering mean change that
That's the thing so I bitched a couple times that nobody made a
Updated steering rack for my Acura NSX same problem
Fucking you shut your shuffle steering through corners instead of what we really have in modern steering systems
Which is a much more direct?
And you can see it so clearly in the video because I have an over-the-shoulder camera as I'm talking about it
You can see I'm steering this car like a modern car not like an old car and they really have not fucked that up
They've also done a lot with the engine
The net result is frankly not a car that goes all that much faster in acceleration
But it's a car that and it doesn't actually sound
Different enough that I give a shit you hear the difference the change in sound is more the chattery
Fuck in single mass flywheel than it is anything in the engine
You could you could take a stock car and make it sound almost just like this and in fact the other one kind of did
But the response is very snappy. It revs up fast
It it's the clutch engages more much more firmly like a like a performance clutch
The the stock clutch is is a little mushy which actually
Isn't such a bad thing the stock car being as sort of soft as it is by comparison
Would be very nice to use as a car that you could put a ton of miles on
Like you'd want I'd want to buy a stock one and have it just made
Have all the rubber freshened and all the fluids and just put like a sweet capri stove on it
And then go do fucking
20,000 miles, you know, like that would be just joyous
This the the evaluto is more focused. It's like a point a to point a kind of car more so than it is a
road trip type car
but but
Considering how sharp it has become in the corners the ride isn't compromised right the lengthening of the control arms
Like they've done to this Ferrari
What you would do if you were building a really good RWB if you're building a really good RWB
You have all your control arms lengthened. Yeah, you don't just do with wheel spacers and like offset, right, right?
That's how you do a bad RWB, right?
So if you see a RWB where the where the wheel hubs are pushed all the way out and the wheels are almost flat faces
That car will probably drive really nice if you see one that has a super deep dish rear wheel
It's gonna drive like garbage and so they've done it right with this
It's it's pushed out, but it's pushed out from the control arm side
So you have much better shock control. Yeah, and it I mean it uses the same shocks as the T 50 does now
Same company R 53. Yeah, granted the parts don't you know make the car
But this the suspension setup the way this felt in the canyons felt like T 50. Yeah, just compliant but stuck
It was amazing. Yeah, and the brakes are a modern brake pedal feel and modern brake pedal performance and and so the stock car
I don't think will ever be more than like a seven-tenths car
Like it just can't be because the brakes are kind of mushy and the steering ratio is slow and the engine revs up a little slower
And the and the clutch is a little mushier
And the tires are a little squishier
And all of that it's a little heavier
but
The stock car is it could be a fabulous toro or a fabulous weekend toy, but if you want to hustle
Mm-hmm
The evoluto fucking does it like I really do not have a lot of notes
Dynamically about how that thing drives like that's pretty fucking bang-on and that's good because when you're I mean
That's what you want when the car is a super car brand that has them been re-engineered. Yeah with modern knowledge
You go okay. Hope you get it right and you know when we drove that cyan racing
1800 didn't feel right and you go well all this money and all these brain power and you get this wrong
It the steering was was we're doing was weird
Yeah, the steering was an absolute like F F that you're like well, I wouldn't buy this car
But this thing the steering was ace. Yeah, so but that doesn't mean it's like perfect. So the
There's a couple things that like I didn't love. I
don't I think
So Ian Callum did the styling and I respect Ian Callum, but I don't love the styling
Hmm, I like it from certain angles. I think the rear three-quarter looks fabulous. I do like the
GTO
Gills on it. I think they look great. I don't like the rear grille
I like the rear diffuser
I don't love the new doors with the larger
Air inlets on the side not because I don't like the inlets. I just think it's a worse door handle
You have to press that thing. Oh, yeah, and then there's nothing to grab
It is a weird whereas you actually reach into the scoop and just tug it in the original car and that's just better
You know the the original car is a little cleaner and tighter in its proportions and and
But and I don't part of one of the prices for the wider track is that the fenders are a little bit flared on the new one
Right and I think from some angles they look amazing, but I'd have to I wasn't there this day to see the car side-by-side. Yeah
So the the wheel design
I don't think
There they have molten up in fairness to them. They have like three or four different wheel choices
The ones these gold ones that were on the car for for everybody to drive it are the magnesium ones. So they're the lightest I
don't think a
Coffin-shaped wheel spoke works well on a curvy Ferrari
I think a coffin-shaped wheel spoke works well on a BMW R8 on an R on a Lambo angular
Yeah, that's a coffin-shaped wheel spoke is a real Lamborghini Gallardo type wheel
It's not a Ferrari type wheel and I told them this and I said look
They had a couple other wheel designs that look like Momo updated Momo designs from the 90s
One of which was kind of cool, but I wasn't in love with any of them and I said, can you guys render out?
Something that's like an updated Ferrari F40 wheel because that's really what everybody just kind of wants totally just the closest you get
F40 like the better that's just a 550 wheel looks great rule of Ferrari
So they went home, and they fucking hit me up the next day with the updated F
And I go that that's that's the thing make make that and they're like we're making a set there's a set in production. So so
Yeah, so so but we I mean wheels are easy and then is driving interior shot
from the previous post I do
so the interior
Some great things and then a couple things I don't love I love the metal center console and the buttons and scroll knobs there
Yeah, feels very done. They look great. It looks special. Yeah, you'll special doesn't seem too modern at all
Which is really cool, but you know you can tell that they've they changed that I actually like the dashboard itself
The way the carbon and the leather works
The doors aren't fancy, but I don't hate them now
The seats and if you go to the maybe the next post do I have another I don't maybe I didn't get a shot of it
The seats are like real high back like they're the kind of seats you'd find in a modern Ferrari
And they go really close to the roof of the car. Yeah, and it takes me out of the era a
Bit they also look out wrong like they look too big for the car and it looks like
We it looks like they had this seat lying around and you it's like it looks like a project
And you just shove this seat in there and you go is that what you're gonna stay with you're gonna go with like a lower
Rikaro or spark or something later because it it almost looks like the seat you test it because the size is strange
Yeah, huge and I drove it the stock car the stock seat you I also sit an inch lower the stock
I sit an inch lower in the stock car. Yeah, cuz this car we both we both get in it
And you're taller than me my hair was touching the roof and I felt like I was really up high which was unexpected
Yeah, for me after a couple months of driving this it would look like the back of the couch and coming to America with the stain from
Just rubbing into the suede whereas I had about an inch of room in in the the stock car so the seats
Took me out of the era and also the they sit high and the backs are tight and then the steering wheel to me I
Like I like using it. I like the shape of the rim
I wish it was round but but I mean but when I have my hands at nine and three and I'm steering the car with it
It the position and angle and stuff. It feels nice
It looks to me
It's a little ring brothers and I don't mean that in a disrespectful to Mike and Jim ring
They have a very specific style
but like their style is like muscle cars at Siba and
That's what this steering wheel says to me
It looks like if the ring brothers did a 69 Camaro. This is the steering wheel. They would put in it and
It's not if you look at
For instance to go back to them because it's the gold standard a singer wheel
We described it as the most perfect steering wheel ever put into a car. Why?
Because it took what Porsche already got right and
That like if you look at that singer wheel and I mean written the modern ones that with the one of the DLS turbos fine
The regular turbo. Yeah, the regular that's fine. It it is
It looks like they well, what a fucking
Terrible photo set this is but okay, it looks like a modernized version of that Porsche three spoke
Wheel oh that this one has you seen that I've never seen these pads
Have you seen these pads in there? No, but when we when we drove it and this I feel like this camera makes this rim
Look thicker than it is. Yeah, but what was so awesome about this is that it was this like
Angled flattened carbon rim on the inside and your thumb landed there and you went oh
This is how every steering wheel should be it should be flat so that your thumb can press on that outwardly
Yeah, and then of course the outside of the wheel is round and it was like the right the diameter was great
It was perfect so
And if you look at a gunter vox, it also looks it looks like Porsche could have made this wheel. I
Don't think
Ferrari
Would have ever made the wheel that's in the evoluto and I think
Like the best Ferrari wheel is the non-airbag 355 wheel like you actually can't improve on that
So I would literally just remake that but do what singer did with that carbon
inner bit on that wheel
Because the 355 airbag wheel sucks. It's a big. Yeah, you know big fat
first-gen airbags, but the non-airbag wheel
I
Mean it just doesn't get better that looks like it came out of fucking niggie loud as f1 car
You know I'm talking about yeah, I mean and then probably was an evolution of that wheel
I mean, it's you know, it's not in the dash not too far from proto tipo
Yeah, it's got a little bit of covering. You know where the horn buttons are
Perfect three spokes. That's and I think that's what left out to me is you know on the evoluto one
The spokes they they made brushed aluminum for people listening with like a tan leather around it
And it does match the the bright aluminum of the center console and a little accent on the door sill
Like they're connecting those bits and I get it, but the double spoke with the holes
It's like then it's too much and actually it's kind of like the coffin wheel
It's just yeah, and when you go back to the classic one each spoke
It's just one spoke
You know one solid spoke Eddie at those three ends and this just looks I don't know. It's just a little too aggressive
Yeah, yeah, so so that's you know and
Look making it drive great is very very hard. I I am I'm very impressed at how well this car
Drives particularly for a you know kick the shit out of pre-production car
A
Lot of people in the video commented about the window are there they were they wrote an email
They were to me. They're like very apologetic about the window
They basically were like this is this is a rough prototype
You know car and they just didn't like service the stock window mechanisms
But like customer cars are gonna have new win bread new window. They're supposed to go down when you whatever. Yeah
Yeah, so so you know this is some of the stuff the fit and finish on this actual car
There were a couple of rattles and stuff that you that you would not want to find in in customer deliveries
But this is a shit kicker car. Mm-hmm. So I mean
mechanically it was
Rad it's so nice to drive did the guy that the fan that brought his stock card
Did he drive this first off he did have a he did get to have a go
Let me tell you something about about Adam and his lovely wife Carolina
These folks are fucking winners. They're they're both like business people
They run a business together
They have they have this car. They they travel internationally a lot when they come to LA they use this as their car
and
They drove they drove the evaluto. They thought it was cool
They let
Not just me but everybody who worked with evaluto was a four guys
And my two camera men drive their three Wow, they let everybody drive it
They insisted everybody drive it the neither of the camera guys had ever driven a Ferrari before and this dude
This is a 17,000 mile
mint
Mint one of the nicest ones I've ever seen mint
Couldn't find a better example of as you know as delivered from for our except for it had this Capri stow on it that just
Ripped it was so loud and so fun
and
So, you know when you consider the fact that
This example this if you to replicate Adam's car
Low-mile great service great condition, you know, it's not cheap might be looking at 250
More if you want a better color than red tan, they happen to like red tan no hate on red tan
I mean there is no better color than red resale red give me a non-red Ferrari, please
But but that's fine, you know might be a little more
One just came across my way for 275. It was silver, but I could have bought fucking Joe's
It's like 80 right bro. I offered him 68. He wanted 74 and we couldn't make a deal
Fuck that was how long ago those eight years that would have been 20
Eight 18 maybe no, I was gonna say imagine how much you spent on maintenance, but you spent a lot on maintenance
So
Yeah, no, if they're worth if I kept it as nice it
This is a car that would have paid for itself over that period of time, but you know, it would be very difficult to justify
If you don't have all the money, it's like is it quote worth it to no no
It's not and also they said something to me that I didn't love which was that
You know, they're making these parts to make the evaluto what do what it does the stand and and they're also doing
They're making some parts like door seals and stuff
And and and they're making those parts available to their their
Backwards compatible with regular cars, which is good. That's good
but like the steering rack like they won't sell that to you and and which
Okay, but they also were talking about
wanting to
maintain the
investment grade
You know keep control the control they wanted to control the secondary market the gray market of these cars and like
Because I you know, I I'm guessing it's hard to convince someone to spend this much money unless you can convince them
They'll get more back on the other end. I
Just think it was you know to talk we circle back with the replicas being costing more than the originals this thing costing
Probably four times what it would cost to get you a great original. It's a huge markup
And and then you're promising the customers that they'll get more on the other end
I mean, that's a really bold thing which is wild. Yeah, there's a wild thing to say and it's and it's a sad thing because it will
Encourage the customer to not drive the car because if it's an investment
Then lower miles will bring more money. No miles will bring you know what I mean?
They have a production number for the evaluto. I forget 55 coupes. Okay, and and
So it like whenever we find that capitalism intersects with car enthusiasm
Capitalism almost always wins at this at this price point and that sort of sucks
And they're they're doing like a 20,000 mile warranty, but they're also they're also trying to say it'll be worth more on the other end
So it's not being treated as a throwaway money toy like I burn the money on this just so I can fucking rip a 355
You know and like tuner cars used to devalue
Yeah, that's different like I don't think anyone's like burning money on a singer or burning like anyone at this price point is
Too careful the guy who had a car here
You know I'm talking about never drove it because he was because he probably stretched a bit to buy it
Yeah, he was afraid to drive it and damage it because it was just a bummer and it was around this one
It's it's it's counterintuitive when you spent all the money to make it drive so good. I agree
Yeah, you go because
People the person who buys the car if they just bubble it
They're gonna repeat the pitch that we've heard and that we have helped share which is like they're gonna go
Oh, the steering racks great
Yeah, I know they fix the reliability with all these new parts and the wheels are so light and the way it sounds is amazing
And you're like when's last time you experienced any of that? Oh once
How many tanks of gas have you been yeah, well, I don't want to ruin the value sure yeah keep being boring, but great
It's it's unfortunate
When you pitch it both ways, you know, I
Understand why you have to do that, but I also it's also like it just made me feel a little ick
I wonder if
You know, I wonder if people in the beginning of Singer
Had that concern of resale or they were just excited about the cars and the resale kind of happened
And then now it's just a known thing if you if you're on the list and you pick one up
You could probably flip it for 50% to double because everyone else to someone who doesn't want to wait
Yeah, but I wonder if their early customers gave a shit or if they were just happy to have the perfect driving machine
No, I think they had a tough time. They had it. They hadn't they they had
We should I mean, I don't know if we
Has Maz ever actually told the story of like the first 20 cars they did on here. No, we should get him to do that
Yeah, I think he would openly tell the story the story of the first 20 cars. I think would be very interesting
But I think it you know a
Few people saw Rob Rob Dickinson's car
They they wanted cars, but it wasn't like
Instant, you know flipper waiting list and the assumption for the first year or a couple years was not that you would
Get more money on the right because it was a new experiment. I think we're in this weird position where
It's like we're looking at the evolutionary timeline of
Homo sapiens or something but we get to see the entire timeline in one moment because Singer has been doing this now for 15 years
2010 right was first our exposure to them
So they're they're in this 16 years now and super successful like they're they're the example of what can happen if you do
The recreation perfectly and the market comes to you and it was there
But then you've got like revolutions been doing it a little while have seen seemingly good success
They're expanding their portfolio and then you've got evolution like brand new, you know
And they're still whatever chimpanzees in my analogy that's falling apart
So we're getting to we're comparing a new company to an established company
Yeah, and we know that the
Evoluto would probably hope to become singer for Ferrari and Ford and whatever, but we're kind of comparing like yeah
You know the future for a first car it could be a piece of shit
Do you know I mean it could it could drive like garbage it could not work properly like there's all kinds of things that it
Could be that would be fucking terrible like be you know starting with a Ferrari does not guarantee greatness in any way
But uh, it's it's not that it drives beautifully
It really it really does it's it's it's dynamically quite excellent and like other than having less
NVH or I should say worse NVH not less NVH worse NVH than the stock car
You could drive it on a road trip like I don't see why you couldn't they're offering a fucking 20,000 mile warranty
So, you know, they they're they're doing development miles. They believe in the product
Okay
There's some things I cosmetically don't like there's some things other people cosmetically don't like but if you look at the comments on the
Instagram or the video like it's pretty
Split it's not everybody feels the way
You necessarily feel about this design. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I think I thought you not you I meant the audience
No, no, I thought I thought it looked rad. I think they both look great
I think the stock one is obviously just sexy as hell, but the new one. I think they did subtle enough changes
Where when I looked at I was like, oh, this is hot. Yeah. No, it's it's definitely a fucking vibe
I mean, it's it's it's a 355 TF. That's what it looks like or it was a TDF, right when they did that with the F12
Yeah, here a little more aggressive, but not too much. Sure. Yeah, competition a yeah kind of thing
I'd probably
Pop off the evoluto badge off the grill and put the fucking horse back. I know they can't do that because right legal things, but
It's a fucking spicy meatball. They also oh, but I forgot to mention they they remove that
They redo the whole wiring harness that they do a lot
There's they there's a list of things they do is really very lengthy. They said a lot of the engine parts
They've changed will help the reliability because these cars
Yeah, I think the 355 had a higher ownership cost than like a 512 and it did in terms of most
Expensive to own and drive you have the F50 is the most the F40 after that and then the 355
That's insane. That is the
hypercar hypercar
Supercar or you maybe yeah supercar like their price similarly
They're even they're more expensive to run than even like like to run not to buy and sell just to run the like
Then like a 60s V12 car those ain't those ain't shit compared to a 355 the fact that Tester Rosa is below
355 yeah, Tester Rosa is only just they're the next one you know
It's older and it's a more complicated engine. Yeah, it's V12 engine
So you think of these 50% more cylinders, right? You need 50% more of almost everything. Yeah
But but they're like
Here's the final thing about the evaludo
It costs
$770,000 plus a
355 and
It can be a shitter. It doesn't have to be a good but it can't be crashed
You know, you're not buying like a yeah, it's not it can't be crashed or burned
But it can be fucked
So like the worst 355 and it's got to be a GTB
The worst one is got to be a hundred grand like the worst one
And it'll have like a salvage title maybe because it was like flooded
You know not crashed but like otherwise you're not wrong. I'm looking through for listings on on bat
But yeah, a hundred K is gonna get to get you the shitter is shitter that you know barely runs
Basically and has like all kinds of paperwork problems that you may have to explain to somebody down the road
Or probably not. I don't know. I guess nobody ever I
Can't say for certain but I have to guess that once you buy
Secondhand a singer or a gunther or something like that
You're not asking any questions about what the donor cars life was like beforehand
That shit is that's just washed away in the fucking way. Yeah, I don't matter. Yeah, you just
I would assume that they that singer has gone through every piece of it anyway. Yeah, so it doesn't really matter
How it lived before if it had rust, I'm sure they fixed it. It's it's essentially in my eyes is the brand-new car. Yeah, yeah
So the other the lingering yeah the the man, huh
What was I just gonna say I had a I did have a lingering thought on this car and
Maybe it'll come back to me. I don't know. I mean, it's it's it's cool
It's it's neat. I I really enjoyed driving it
I mean the question is always do the people shopping at this level
Will they see enough of a difference between this and the regular car?
And I think you could ask the same question with the Porsches
There is a difference, but here's the actually the quite the thought that escaped me and just came back for this amount of money
770 plus a car. It's a million dollars called a million dollars. Yeah
What
Modern Ferrari are you gonna buy that's better
for for the same amount of money now, it's an interesting amount of money because it's
There's a lot that's less than that a lot, but not a lot. That's like close
There's not a lot of modern Ferraris that are like
800 or 900,000 that are worth it
Like there's some like a couple like very low mileage likes 430 scuderias like fuck out here 900k for that thing
No, absolutely. It's awesome. But 900000 dollars. No, that's the most fabulous
$125,000 driving experience you can have but for 900 this but if you you know if you close your eyes with this thing
Is it is this a million dollar driving experience? Well, no, I mean the other the question is what Ferrari?
What original Ferrari can you buy for a million dollars? That's better. That's a better driving experience and you you have to look pretty hard
For the same amount of money you could spend like 5000000 dollars, right?
And then you get f50 or you could spend 500 and you could have something great as well
But but for 1000000 what stock Ferrari is better
Weird weird place you found yourself there
I guess I'd have to drive a scud back to with this to see you know
Scuds are cool. They ain't that
They're not all that
That's that's
150 to 200 a driving experience
Pure driving experience the reason they're fucking 900 is because someone somewhere thinks their investment great, right?
Well, someone probably bought their own car and pumped it assholes cornering the fucking market. Yeah, I want to
Do a few questions and I want to so I'll save my report from the from my Pacific Northwest trip
Which is actually pretty fun, but I did want to tell you a funny story before we get to questions. I
was flying to
Portland and to start my road trip and I was
My camera case
Not I'm sorry. It wasn't Portland. Where did I just fly the NISMO launch?
Excuse me. I was going to coming back from SFO from Sonoma
Where I drove the NISMO Z which I can talk about
18th, yeah, so next week and I have my camera case because I was filming got stopped and
You know pulled aside as I do pretty frequently with that case and
They go what's in here and I go cameras and camera mounts and they go cake and we found
Potential weapon in there. I go, huh
And I open it and he pulls out the Leatherman that you gave me TSA approved my birthday TSA approved either their website now
I'm sorry because I I have a bit of a marriage Juana problem
Did you give me that for this past birthday or a year ago?
Was it this past December or a year ago December? I
Don't think it was a year ago. I think you've had it long you had it longer than five months
So I've had it for 18 months. I think so. Yeah, 17 months. Yeah, okay when you first got it to me
I put it in that case. Yeah
I've been carrying out okay for all over the world for 18 months. I have not been stopped until now
For having a thing that looks first off
I was stoked because I got to say TSA approved buddy. No blade and he like what it was like wow
That's pretty cool. Put it back in set me on my way
But it looks just like one that does have a blade. Hmm. You can't tell from the outside
That it doesn't have a blade you have to take it out and show it to someone it looks exactly like a regular Leatherman with a blade. I
Forgot it was even in the camera case this whole time. I thought I'd taken it out
But it turns out I have been flying all over the goddamn globe
security in many nations mainly Spain and America, but like
For 18 months, I've been carrying this fucking thing all over the world and nobody has stopped me to ask a question about it until
Last week. I wonder is that crazy if the
The fidelity of the X-ray machine is good enough. They can see blades or they just don't care
You know what they see when we go through those they see the suction cups on video look like a cartoon bomb
They look like something from a 50s cartoon
It's a round circle with a thing sticking out. Yeah, and they look at that and they go
Oh, it's not a cartoon bomb it from Acme great. Yeah, they just send you on your way. Yeah, so I mean like eight
I've probably flown 60 segments
I'm glad I'm glad it that they acknowledge. Oh, right. There's no blade that does pass the rules
Yeah, I have a nice day because I think the very first time you flew with it
You got stopped and you had to like
Show the and I was like texting you the Leatherman website, you know here show them this thing
But now it then they figured it out, but uh, so anyway, they didn't find this thing for a year and a half
What is where am I going with this? They're not finding your weed. Just you can comfortably fly with weed
They're not there. You're okay. Not legal advice
almost
Not legal advice. It won't hold up in court, but like for all just saying for all practical purposes
Then if they're not fighting this your weed
They're looking for lithium batteries and things that explode and only big ones. They don't I was told I
Had taken all the GoPro batteries out of that case and they asked about lithium batteries
I said, oh, no, I took them all out of the case and they were like
Can you show me them and I was like I had and they were like, oh, we don't care about those
We just care about the ones that like go on drills like bigger or like power banks and stuff like that
And I was like, well, I'm just gonna take them out. Anyway, you know, right? I've been doing that as a fire
I don't mind. mean continuing to do it
Also, it's good practice because I know we've told you this many times, but the audience a lot of other countries
Do care about the small batteries. Yeah
All right, let's do a few questions from the
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B5 s4 I can fix her says would the average m car buyer
Actually be better served by an Alpina version
The older I get the more I want fast and comfy and less race car theater well the second part
I can certainly relate to I
Mean that's the that's the target of Alpina Alpina is is for people who want to drive the Autobahn across Germany
You know to commute a hundred and fifty miles a day at a hundred and fifty miles an hour
And the m car is for racetracks. So I think if your vibe is I'm old now
I want a fast-ass couch then
Yes, now with the average m car buyer
That's the question because I think what I see mode the new m's in this town seem to be bought by people in their
Late 20s to early to mid 30s. I'd say for the most part. They're still gonna want the race car thing
They're not want the more comfortable high-speed also like where we live, you know, you don't commute fast on the highway most of the time
Yeah
But I do love me and Alpina me too
Open wide open throttle DDS
DDS I'm one of the dentist at one o'clock today
I've put my tuned
992 s on the local track here in Houston
And I've been to a good number of instructed lessons at the track at what point did you guys say hey? I am advanced at this
This is a good question. I wanted to
Let's try to figure out like what does HP DE consider like what is their advanced criteria?
I know they allow open passing usually it usually just means like you are you haven't had a bunch of offs
You're confident around other traffic like you're not so distracted by driving the car on the track that you can't be aware of
What's happening around you, but I want there's like a specific
advanced I
Would say advanced is you are comfortable
Showing up to a track that you've never been to
Like let's say you go with go out with chin or you go out with speed ventures
You go out with one of these track day companies and they've got a track day somewhere. You've never been to like or it's a track
day company at a track day that you've never like you are comfortable not just
Getting your car around the racetrack safely
But like you're comfortable showing up at a track day put on by a company
You don't know at a racetrack. You don't know and you can rock up and
Know what to do from the moment you arrive you go okay? Well, I'm here now. I have to tech my car
I have to register. get a wristband the drivers meeting is at this time. These are the questions
I might have about the track. I know what the flags mean. I know that I can go out
I'm gonna show I'm gonna be at the pit at my assigned time
I know what my time what my assigned times are my car will be ready when I'm on the track
I'm looking at my mirrors and as faster traffic approaches me from behind
I'm giving those people point buys in a way that doesn't impede their speed or I'm driving predictably
It doesn't necessarily mean I get below a 140 at Laguna or exactly a hard word thing. Yeah, it means that like you become
like a
net a
Net even to net positive of the track day experience for others around you
That's when you're advanced your fluid in the fluent in the language. Yeah of like. Yeah
You're all you're fluid in the language an example of me still learning English. You're a mumble rapper. Yeah
Yeah, like you're you are understand the track day experience in a way that you know
You can rock up knowing to a new place and just be comfortable
Yeah, I
Think that's probably it and also in in in and around that, you know
You're not your car is not going off your fucking well part of that is that you can go out on the track
And you know how to learn the track at a safe ability level. You're sorry safe speed you okay?
I'm gonna first-hand laps. I'm gonna figure out where things go
You've never been there before and then you're gonna do that safely. Yeah
Sigs inside says I keep getting complaints about the smell in my car due to fresh black ice little trees
What air fresheners do you recommend if any? Oh man? I
mean look
Based on the username you're ripping heaters in the car, right? If you're ripping heaters in the car like
There's not much you can do
Other than like just get it washed all the fucking time
Yeah, because anything you put in there is just adding it's mixing with that smell
So it could be sandalwood whatever doesn't care. There's cigarette mixed in there. Yeah air fresheners are additive
You need to be thinking subtractive. Yes, that's like I don't put my cars always smell fine
I have I clean them all the time
And so yeah, if you clean your car all the time you don't need an air freshener
Yeah, it's true. I haven't had an air freshener my car in like years. That's fine
Yeah, and if you do clean your car all the time and you need an air freshener. Do you clean yourself enough?
That's good question. Yeah, you know, is there flossed food under a seat somewhere? Yeah
I can relate to ripping heaters in cars, but I think like I don't know and granted
I was smoking cigarettes at the time
But you were in my cars a lot like when I wasn't actively smoking a cigarette. I didn't have smelly cars. Did I I
On I'm pausing because I don't know because I think I was exposed to it so much that it's possible
I can't remember if I would get in the car and it would still smell like cigarettes
I will say that when I would go home to Santa Cruz my mom would accuse me of smoking cigarettes
Because my clothing yeah, yeah for sure
So I think the car the truck probably did smell a little bit like cigarettes
But once you get in your nose gets used to maybe yeah, but I was like it's California
So I always I was like your windows down and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, it probably did
But I also think I made efforts to keep it pretty minimal. I washed my vehicles a lot true
Johnny Evie Gibberman says the Lexus RCF has been doing well racing this year, which is great when you realize
They still make that car. They actually don't
Are there any other cars you forgot exist because they've been around for 15 years and sell six of a year
Hmm I just was like I just randomly the other night was like do they sell the Fiat 500 still in America?
Yeah, they do the electric one and I think I would like to maybe try one as a press car
It might be kind of fun. We should I feel like I don't see them as much as I used to when they were kind of newish
Because I also wonder if they have held
Value and been reliable the way, you know other hatchbacks from that era have been yeah
Let's see other cars that we forgot exist because they sell so few of them hmm
I mean, I probably would forget they exist
We'd have to go like the Lex like I'm sure Lexus sells cars we forget they even make
They just came out with a new car called the new TZ I think it's called it's like a three row
It's like the Lexus version of the Grand Highlander. I think
What
What I
Mean I just rented and I'll have a review of it next week
My I did that with this road trip in a GMC Acadia
Like I couldn't have told you that that was still a thing they made I wait
I see them around a lot. They have a very distinctive backside. They do
But you'll and you'll have my review of that car next year
Tame and Palo SS
You often talk about cars being a X price point driving experience
What are some examples of the most overpriced and underpriced driving experiences you can think of in today's market?
fair
overpriced if you were to go to an auction and buy a
a
Mercedes AMG wide-body six liter hammer from
1986 looks unbelievable most one of the most bad-ass living cars ever made driving it
380 horsepower V8 four-speed slush box. Sure. Yeah, you know the 80s Mercedes steering like would not be exciting and you're talking about
$800,000 $700,000 for something like that. So that's you know
That's up there. I also think the newer GTRs went like when they were still selling them new and it was
$200,000 effectively and it
Felt more like 120. It's like the old cars with the same transmission all that stuff like it
It felt like they just priced it up. They'd adjusted the pricing, but not adjusted the car. Sure
So that's those are some overpriced ones underpriced driving experiences
hmm
There's not a lot of budget. There's not a lot of them
I mean the GR twins like the GR 86 is a wonderful car to drive and it's pretty affordable still like but does it
Does it punch above its weight? It's very slow
But everything else about it feels great. I mean turning shift like if you put that steering or turning or balance into other cars
That were more expensive. We'd all go. Oh, yeah, yeah, right and then in that vein. There's
Another one I I can't really say because it may got it break it embargo, but like there's another one that I think is a
competitively priced
To underpriced driving experience
I think the M2 CS is an overpriced driving experience because it's direct competitor is itself without the CS and it's 30 grand less
Honestly like I think the ZR1 Corvette is potentially an underpriced driving experience
If you put if you blindfolded somebody and put them in the passenger seat of that car
Versus in a McLaren 750. I don't think most people could tell you which of those cars is more expensive. I
think a very very
Well-trained person might be able to but most people would say that these are basically the same. That's a good point. Yes, so
Same with 06 dude a second-hand 06 is probably the most underpriced. Yeah driving sounds like Ferrari feels like Ferrari
Yeah, 90,000 words. Yeah all day
Grand McGears says I impulsively bought a 1991 Alfa Romeo 164 mostly to hear the buso v6
It runs but cosmetically is in terrible shape. I'm thinking of racing it in lemons
Good idea, or should I try to keep it a street car? I never see these in the wild and I doubt it will go up in value
You're correct about both of those last things. I never see them in the wild either and I doubt it will go up in value
My guess is if you really get that motor
Serviced properly with good stuff like I bet you it'll be great on a racetrack
Maybe like I don't know mayors are not terrible when you've zing the shit out of them all the time actually like
It will probably break a bunch right, but it'll probably be a lot of fun. It would sound great. It'd be tons of fun
I'm sure other people have raced alphas and lemons. I'm sure they have amazing stories
Yeah, it's funny because this is very much like a damned if you do and damned if you don't like if you drive it on the street
It's in terrible shape. It might break down if you race it it might break down, but you'd have more fun
maybe like maybe you
Do like I don't know DWA rallies with it or something. That's a good idea
It's if it's an ugly car that's fun to drive and weird-looking is
Perfect for DWA rallies do that or the overcrest rally
I would do like one of those spend a year doing rallies with it in rallies meaning like group drives
Not like stage rally and then take it to the racetrack because the racetrack by the way for you know
Grandma gears like you got to put a cage in it fire suppression. Yeah, it costs you lots of money by the way, so
Keep that in mind. I
Oh, wow, I have I have last one and then I have to call this show
I apologize. We'll save all the extra questions for less next show, but I have a heart out at 10 o'clock
My bad
Heal a monster Greg says if you had to buy each other a daily driver for 50 to 100k with the goal of sabotaging the other person
What the fuck kind of sabotage are you doing to someone buying them like a 75,000 dollar car like a terrible 70,000
I mean, all right, so I'll buy I'll buy you Zach for 75000 dollars
I'll buy you the burned-out husk of a
1967 Ferrari 250
Whatever the fuck right like I'll buy I'll buy you a VIN number surrounded by rust and say pretty bad
Good luck turning that into a car
For 75000 dollars. I
would buy you like a front-wheel drive
Street legal like cup not cup. Yeah, like a like a polo cup
That'll probably work. No, no, I want to be stiffer than shit with no interior. So it'd be uncomfortable slow
tiny and
Yeah, all those things or you know what I just get you we saw before I would give you an RS 200
Yeah, ours 200
Perfect. Thanks everybody. Thank you to our patrons for writing such good questions today
We'll save the rest of them for next show, which will be Thursday or Wednesday Wednesday Wednesday for Wednesday
And I'll see you guys later. Thanks so much. Bye
About this episode
Re-imagined cars, restomods, and continuation builds keep getting better—yet the hosts argue the trend isn’t peaking. They compare Evoluto’s 355 approach with Ford-licensed Boreham continuation cars, then get into replica engineering details like suspension pickup points, steering ratios, and drivetrain feel. Pricing and ownership come up often: laser-scanned replicas, warranty talk, and why investment-driven demand can discourage driving. The episode closes by debating whether “peak” nostalgia is real, or just another reboot cycle.
When will we run out of cars to re-imagine, restomod, or (dare we say), replicate? Is there a market for the 355 by Evoluto, or the Boreham Ford Escort Mk1? Some say yes. We get review both of these incredible cars and it brings us to larger questions: Are they better? Worth the money? What do you get? We drove both and get into it the good/bad and what they mean for "nostalgia builds" in general.
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The worst car we'd buy each other
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Recorded May 11, 2026
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